"Too little too late? Manny vs Floyd on May 2nd?" Wed Jan-14-15 08:22 AM by Y2Flound
I don't know, in my mind the time for this fight has passed, Pac has lost a few steps, and the idea of this fight is no longer the mega fight we were looking for a few years ago. Will people still be hyped for this?
*Edit Also realizing that this is just a story put out by Manny's side and Floyd has nothing to do with it. Reading can be fun
2. "I think it's relevant again" In response to Reply # 0
I didn't care a year ago becuase Manny was a shell of his former self. Manny looks rejuenated now, and Floyd seems more vulnerable than he ever has. It actually projects as a competitive fight for the first time since 2011.
4. "it's going be huge regardless" In response to Reply # 0
floyd looks the most vulnerable he's ever looked and manny did enough against bradley + the white bol to appear rejuvenated
manny has basically conceded on everything floyd wants and floyd seems satisfied with the split and floyd has no other options out there also the ppl cutting floyd the checks are pushing for this heavy now i'm not sure floyd there are other options for him
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9. "Yes, but mainly because it's the ONLY mega fight out there and it's" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jan-14-15 11:41 AM by vee-lover
still going to be incredibly hyped and marketed to draw ppl's interest in it
But from a competitive standpoint it doesn't have the same appeal (for me) as it would have had let's say 6 yrs ago
Neither are at their peak by any means
The idea of Pacquiao being invincible is no longer there despite how good he's looked in his last few fights (his KO power has strangely diminished)
Floyd is still a superb boxer but he has gotten touched in some of his previous fights and he will be turning *38* next month
I'll definitely watch it but I still be wondering, In SPITE OF WHO WINS, what would this matchup have been like had both fighters fought at the peak of their powers
12. "On: Manny's ko power." In response to Reply # 9
I'd like that if someone more knowledgeable than me spoke on this.
But if you look at Manny's record, like 35 of his 38 kos came when he was lighter. Since he's moved up to welterweight, he's only ko'd Hatton and Cotto (and Oscar I guess). Now, those were probably his most dominating performances too. Butthey haven't been the "rule" since he's come up in weight.
Since Cotto, he's fought 9 times. All of them except his loss to Marquez, went all 12. Despite not knocking people out in 6 years, we've still seen him destroy some people.
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."
15. " the ppl he hasn't KO'd haven't been KO'd by ....anyone...ever" In response to Reply # 12 Wed Jan-14-15 01:52 PM by southphillyman
bradley, clottey, jmm, rios, mosley, algeri marg had been knocked out by mosley but manny literally crushed his face it's kind of a overhyped point ppl bring up and dumb when you look at it in context mosley said manny was the hardest puncher he ever faced and that's coming from a dude who fought vernon forest and a prime DLH
18. "what's your point?" In response to Reply # 17
you're bringing up ppl manny lost to 15 yrs ago like u mad or something
if you think manny can't beat floyd because he won't knock him out then just say that personally i think a knockDOWN or two will be good enough to do the job
28. "Punching power doesn't exclusively mean a fighter has to knock" In response to Reply # 15 Wed Jan-14-15 03:04 PM by vee-lover
his opponent out...
Case and point: the fighters you listed below
>bradley
Pacquiao never seriously hurt or had him in serious danger in neither of their fights...but Provodnikov who is a smaller fighter gave him a concussion and rocked him several times in that fight
, clottey,
Even though Pacquiao didn't knock him out, he had him in a turtle-shell defense thee entire fight...because he tasted Pacquaio's power early in that fight and decided he wasn't going to trade w/him at all and as a result it was a very boring fight - but we witnessed Pacquiao's punching power w/o seeing it in that fight
I no longer see Manny's opponents afraid of his punching power like Clottey was
jmm,
The fights w/Marquez doesn't count imo in regards to this topic because of their history - you just expected it to be a tough fight whenever they faced each other - but I will say their last fight is unfair to judge Manny the fighter by because I sincerely believe Marquez had an unfair advantage in that fight ...and Pacquiao was dominating that fight before he got caught
rios,
Pacquiao actually looked a little gun shy in this fight since it was his first fight after being KTFO
mosley,
Ironic that you bring up Mosley since it was Mosley who explicitly advised Floyd after his fight w/Mayeather to demand random drug testing if he fought Pacquiao because I believe he felt like a lot of fighters (and trainers) felt that it didn't make sense for guys who were naturally bigger fighters than Manny to be getting knocked out and/or beat senseless by him - you just never seen that in boxing...especially for a guy who moved up in as many weight classes as Pacquiao did...he was coming in fights at catch-weights and still destroying fighters
algeri
The inexperienced Algeri was right there in Pacquiao's face the whole night...even after he got dropped, he got right up fought gamely.
Oh, and I didn't mention the fight where Manny looked unbeatable...Miguel Cotto
Pacquiao didn't knock him out either but he damn near disfigured his face - that was a brutal display of punching power.
Ditto for the Margarita fight
Tony Atlas said on '1st Take' last year what I had been saying on here in the last year and a half that Pacquiao looked like a fighter who was no longer juicin which resulted in his diminishing KO power
My belief/theory is that he got off the PEDS to prepare himself for the mandatory drug testing he would have to undergo if he fought Floyd
The flip side is that I've seen some improvement in his boxing skills in his last few fights - better footwork/better defense/more patience in the ring/better head movement...I just don't see that devastating punching power that had a much bigger Dela Hoya QUITTTING in the ring..
>marg had been knocked out by mosley but manny literally >crushed his face >it's kind of a overhyped point ppl bring up and dumb when you >look at it in context >mosley said manny was the hardest puncher he ever faced and >that's coming from a dude who fought vernon forest and a prime >DLH
19. "RE: Um, Floyd is the OLDER fighter" In response to Reply # 14 Wed Jan-14-15 02:03 PM by murph71
>and this version of Pacman is the most threatening version >we've seen since 2011
Pac's age should not be put in a vacuum...This is about how age affects fighting styles...
The thing with Floyd is his style works even better at an older age. He rarely gets hit...he's a very defensive fighter and knows how to stick and move and get his gloves on his man....
Pac was more dependent on his power.....This is not an age thing in itself. Floyd knew that Pac could knock him out and wanted no parts of a him when he was still relatively in his prime.
So Floyd waited out the clock, hid behind those Manny-PED charges....Now he has no fear of Manny and rightly so....That power is no longer scary. And we all know power is one of the first things to go the older u get. For a defensive, elusive fighter like Floyd this is the perfect game plan....
GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....
21. "honestly i still think manny is all around faster than floyd" In response to Reply # 19 Wed Jan-14-15 02:09 PM by southphillyman
the hand speed is probably equal or whatever but manny puts his punches together way more than floyd does the no power thing is overstated like i said above he's still a top 3 puncher in the division , i'd only put thurman above him right now and even he looked human in his last fight he's less dangerous than when he had DLH and Cotto flat out quitting in the ring but it's still a dangerous fight for floyd
>I wasn't gonna fight you THEN > >But I'll fight you NOW > >gtfoh
This^^^^
It's quite clever....And on that bullshit.
When people ask me why I continually give the side eye to Floyd beyond dude being a serial woman beater amongst other things this is precisely why...
Joe. L never ducked... The original Sugar never ducked... Ali never ducked... Crazy ass Tyson fought everybody even if he took L's Hagler, Hit Man, Duran, Sugar Ray...they beat the hell out of each other....
So the one guy that threatened Floyd's legacy was put on a watch-list like he was blowing up shit in the Middle East...
Nah...There's no reason to respect that. This fight should have happened YEARS ago...We all know the promoters on both sides were bullshitting.
But Floyd could have made that fight whenever he wanted to...Now he decides to do it after Manny got knocked out and is on some comeback shit...
Ha! And Floyd is THE GOAT?
GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....
23. "in other news....Thurman vs. Robert Guerrero on March 7th and..." In response to Reply # 0
Danny Garcia vs. Lamont Peterson in April all on NBC ....not showtime wow showtime took a L with this mayweather contract and got played by haymon who won't even reward them with his young talent
30. "yea broner is fighting molina too on NBC" In response to Reply # 29
these fights are kind of meh, but still better than the garcia vs. salka kind of shit haymon been giving showtime the last yr or so it'll just be nice getting real fights consistently on regular tv again
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