Athletes who hung around being slightly better than mediocre long enough for the stats to make them look good.

EVAR. I can't tell you how many times I watched him run to the line of scrimmage and take a seat.

elite is a subjective term but either way Martin was one of the top backs in the league, doesn't fit this post at all.

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There is literally nothing bad you can say about
Curtis Martin, at all.

Unlike Emmitt, he succeeded with different teams, in
completely different eras, running behind different
lineman.

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He won with 1697 yards.

Other backs that season:

Shaun Alexander: l yard less and 8 more total TDs on 37 fewer touches

Tiki Barber: 200 more yards from scrimage, 3 more touchdowns on 39 fewer touches

LaDainian Tomlinson: 300 fewer all purpose yards. 4 more TDs on fewer touches

Eggerin James: 89 more all purpose yards on fewer carries.

This was far and away Martin's BEST season. For most of his career he wasn't better than, Barber, Alexander, Tomlinson, Holmes, Faulk, Portis or a a healthy Fred Taylor. This is a good place to remind you that he's the NFL's FOURTH on the NFL's all-time rushing list. He's ahead of dudes like Faulk, LT, Erick Dickerson, Jim Brown and OJ. He has the numbers of an all-time great, when he was arguably the 5th best back of his generation.

>He won with 1697 yards.
>
>Other backs that season:
>
>Shaun Alexander: l yard less and 8 more total TDs on 37 fewer
>touches
>
>Tiki Barber: 200 more yards from scrimage, 3 more touchdowns
>on 39 fewer touches
>
>LaDainian Tomlinson: 300 fewer all purpose yards. 4 more TDs
>on fewer touches
>
>Eggerin James: 89 more all purpose yards on fewer carries.

You trying WAY too hard...if he had the most rushing yards in a season, SO BE IT. You're trying to use outside factors to determine who is the true rushing champ when it's not that hard.

>This was far and away Martin's BEST season. For most of his
>career he wasn't better than, Barber, Alexander, Tomlinson,
>Holmes, Faulk, Portis or a a healthy Fred Taylor.
LOL
The only 2 on that list he CLEARLY WASN'T better than is Tomlinson and Faulk. Alexander never had the longevity that Martin had, Barber coughed up the ball WAY MORE, and PORTIS AND HOLMES...REALLY?!
Fred Taylor's nickname is fragile Freddy. So to say a healthy Fred Taylor is laughable

This is a
>good place to remind you that he's the NFL's FOURTH on the
>NFL's all-time rushing list. He's ahead of dudes like Faulk,
>LT, Erick Dickerson, Jim Brown and OJ. He has the numbers of
>an all-time great, when he was arguably the 5th best back of
>his generation.
Nobody said that he was BETTER than ANY of those guys. But he is a LEGITIMATE HOF. He didn't overstay his years in the league. He wasn't running the ball at 34 years old. He played 11 seasons and bounced...and EARNED HOF #'s.

Hating on Curtis Martin is some Stinkmeaner shit

>This was far and away Martin's BEST season.

5x Pro Bowl, 3x All-Pro, 4x top 3 in rushing, 4x top 5 all-purpose yards, 5x double-digit TDs ...it was hardly Martin's only season as a top RB.

>For most of his
>career he wasn't better than, Barber, Alexander, Tomlinson,
>Holmes, Faulk, Portis or a a healthy Fred Taylor.

Barber spent half his career as a 3rd down back because he couldn't hold onto the ball, Alexander was a soft-running, non-blocking, gutless stat-padding turd, Holmes had 3 great seasons and then was done, Portis never finished in the top 3 in rushing, and a healthy Fred Taylor is a mythical creature akin to unicorns and leprechauns.

>This is a
>good place to remind you that he's the NFL's FOURTH on the
>NFL's all-time rushing list. He's ahead of dudes like Faulk,
>LT, Erick Dickerson, Jim Brown and OJ. He has the numbers of
>an all-time great, when he was arguably the 5th best back of
>his generation.

So top 5 RB = "slightly better than mediocre"? your argument here is not consistent with your original post. if you want to say Martin's not as good as all-time greats like Faulk and Tomlinson then cool, but that's not what this post was talking about.

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He was better than what you're looking for, but those Arizona years were just embarassing. He wanted that record so bad he would trade it for CTE. Barry chilling, watching his son hurdle Wack-10 defenders.

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dude woulda SMASHED 20K rushing yards had he not just up and quit.

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Emmitt was GOOD, but he should have worn no other uniform than the Dallas Cowboys.

better than I think most people remember, but yeah, he's not great.

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To everyone who likes highly efficient, arguably
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be all-time great rebounders from the wing, guys
who finish around the rim like few people ever,
and who can even hit the 3 if you leave them open,
Marion is easily borderline HOF.

Not sure why we're acting like he had nothing to do
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he was never The Man on his squad or even second fiddle on a title team

never really in consideration for best at his position (only two all-nba THIRD team)

i'm a big fan of marion as a player but not HOF imo

He's earned every bit of praise he's ever gotten,
which isn't enough given his contributions.

And he and Tyson Chandler basically allowed Dirk to
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Marion is the ultimate all-time glue guy. Hall-of-Famer or not is a debate, but he does not fit this post. What stats/numbers is he "compiling"? His whole argument for HOF is his swiss-army knife skillset and contributions to winners over a long-time period, not numbers.

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The fact that he's kept Syracuse relevant for so many years is impressive. But given the talent that comes through, he should have more final four appearances and definitely more titles. And the fact that Derrick Coleman is our best pro ever speaks volumes.

Jimmy B is an excellent recruiter. But players don't get better at Syracuse. We're about as mediocre as it gets for a "major" basketball school.

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>The fact that he's kept Syracuse relevant for so many years
>is impressive. But given the talent that comes through, he
>should have more final four appearances and definitely more
>titles. And the fact that Derrick Coleman is our best pro ever
>speaks volumes.
>
>Jimmy B is an excellent recruiter. But players don't get
>better at Syracuse. We're about as mediocre as it gets for a
>"major" basketball school.

to be desired. Like you said, he's not making these guys better players. I'm thankful Carmelo got his and got outta there immediately.


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>The fact that he's kept Syracuse relevant for so many years
>is impressive. But given the talent that comes through, he
>should have more final four appearances and definitely more
>titles. And the fact that Derrick Coleman is our best pro ever
>speaks volumes.

Carmelo's pro career has surpassed DC's.

I would agree that they should have more final 4's.

Can't agree on titles. You could say that about quite a few coaches if you're just focusing on what they have and not putting it in context. Boeheim's had a lot of good teams. The only era where you can say he maybe "should've" won one and didn't was the late 80's - Douglas, Coleman, Seiklay, Owens years. But shit, if DC made a couple FT's or Keith Smart missed, that doesn't make him any better of coach. They had some bad luck in the NCAA's a few times(Coleman hurting his back in the BET senior year and not being close to 100% in the NCAA's, Douglas with the flu in '88) back then too.

I don't agree that players don't get better. You watch Rony Seiklay, Etan Thomas, Dave Johnson, Hakim Warrick(to name a few that became 1st round picks) early on in their careers? D. Nichols? Rautins? All of them sucked as freshmen.

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By Jay Jaffe's JAWS Hall of Fame metric, His WAR7 34.0 ranks 169 among starting pitchers. Behind Tom Candiotti and Andy Pettitte. Tied for 2nd to last among all HOF starting pitchers.

With the focus on magic numbers that existed for a while in baseball, there were a lot of guys who hung around trying to get there. Some were successful (Dave Winfield, Eddie Murray, Craig Biggio) some were not (Johnny Damon, Fred McGriff, Tommy John).

I think that the ultimate compiler in the history of sports is Pete Rose in that his entire existence for like 6+ years basically revolved around breaking the hit record. He was undeniably great, but I don't think he had that kind of upper echelon elite career peak like his teammates Joe Morgan and Johnny Bench had. But he almost never took a day off as he played 154 games or more 16 seasons in his career. Sprinted every time out of the box. Never gave away an at-bat. I mean, he basically became a player-manager and positioned himself to write his name into the line-up, arguably at the detriment of his team and played until he was 45 just so he could do it.

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Came back for a year at age 41, wasn't that good and then retired the next year in spring training. The season before his surgery he led the league in shutouts and received down ballot votes for Cy Young and MVP. I think if he would have bounced around in 1993 & 1994 trying to catch on with one of the expansion teams to get 13 more wins, that label could fit.

>Came back for a year at age 41, wasn't that good and then
>retired the next year in spring training.

With 287 wins. A compiler sticks around for those.

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>Athletes who hung around being slightly better than mediocre
>long enough for the stats to make them look good.
>
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pretty sure dude was drunk every game

>pretty sure dude was drunk every game

seemed like half of his KNBR interviews consisted of him talking about scotch. hell i think he even called in from a bar one time.

>Athletes who hung around being slightly better than mediocre
>long enough for the stats to make them look good.
>
>


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got his 3,000th hit in his 17th season

The rumor that he agreed to go into the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray in return for letting him hang around to get 3000 was enough of a sham that the HOF changed their rules.

He still hit .301/.377/.377 in his last year. For a 93 loss expansion team in their second year of existence, he was pretty good. For Wade Boggs though, he was certainly diminished.

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Carlton had a bunch of "meh" seasons spread through what was effectively his prime, but that's more because he was really good for a long time. There were fourteen years between his first and his last 5 WAR seasons. He was perfectly good as a 39 year old, and then the ugly half-decade of the wheels falling off did almost nothing to augment his legacy.

Looks a lot more like a stubborn asshole who thought he could still hack it than a guy who stuck around to pad his stats. He added a 16-37 record (after pinging that 300 wins mark) and 264 strikeouts... those put him over 4000. Still a tough sell.

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The Lions have Megatron locked up through 2019.

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I mean, he engineered a large conspiracy to construct a story about the lights at Camden Yards after he found his wife sleeping with Kevin Costner and flipped out just so he could keep compiling consecutive games played.

i'm going back in time to test ripkin

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I took this post to define "compilers" as someone like the Don Sutton example I named, who wasn't really an all-time great, but hung around the league long enough to get to 300 wins, which put him in the HOF.

What did Johnny Newman and Jimmy Jackson compile?

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