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"LeBron Love Kyrie and Kyrie Love Bron"


  

          


https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-have-agreement-to-acquire-kevin-love--who-commits-to-staying-in-cleveland-054657392.html

somebody GOTTA be mad about this.


****WARNING****


you favorite PG better win a title before mine.


no, but seriously, after years of watching Grant botch all them top 5 picks and having Gee and Earl Clark in that corner, Kyrie and the Cavs deserve this. i'm dead serious. they DESERVE this.

all i wanted was Klay and Drummond and Dion traded. Now I'm gettin Bron and my dogg Love and Dion coming off the bench, where he will shine.

Don't let nobody tell you God don't be helpin'. He absolutely does.

HE. BE. HELPIN!

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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So is Philly not involved in this?
Aug 07th 2014
1
I'd rather have AB over Thad if I was Minn
Aug 07th 2014
5
      why are people so in love with thad young?
Aug 07th 2014
6
      They play fantasy & just see the stats.
Aug 07th 2014
9
           thad disappears in games WAY more than iggy
Aug 07th 2014
13
      ...for what? lol
Aug 07th 2014
19
      Not particularly excited about The Better Version of LJ
Aug 07th 2014
29
           You should be excited. The kid's got game.
Aug 07th 2014
43
           No snark, but what about last year made you high on AB?
Aug 07th 2014
55
                Ignore last season. He was coming off surgery.
Aug 07th 2014
59
                the Mike Brown factor can not also be ignored
Aug 07th 2014
68
                RE: Ignore last season. He was coming off surgery.
Aug 07th 2014
199
                Nothing he did last year, but his skillset and body are fantastic.
Aug 07th 2014
69
                     Interesting
Aug 07th 2014
82
           I was excited to see what he was gonna do this year
Aug 07th 2014
52
                Yep, it's remembered.
Aug 07th 2014
60
Gilbert got em all!!!!
Aug 07th 2014
2
Nice
Aug 07th 2014
93
So ring or bust, right?
Aug 07th 2014
3
every year
Aug 07th 2014
7
They aren't winning a ring this year
Aug 07th 2014
8
speak on it.
Aug 07th 2014
10
eventually, but not now IMO
Aug 07th 2014
22
By 2016, yes
Aug 07th 2014
27
what's going to change between now and 2016?
Aug 07th 2014
33
      the Heat took a year to get it together too
Aug 07th 2014
35
      They were fine until somebody starting having issues in the 4th quarter....
Aug 07th 2014
41
      they weren't fine, you weren't paying attention
Aug 07th 2014
49
           they won 58 games, they lost a total of 3 games the first 3 rounds...
Aug 07th 2014
54
           yah. the issues were mainly in the 1st half of that season
Aug 07th 2014
79
           they had a worse record in the 2nd half.
Aug 07th 2014
124
                doesn't speak to whether they were more in sync or not
Aug 07th 2014
128
                     true, they lost to some good teams
Aug 07th 2014
144
           we get it, you have an agenda
Aug 07th 2014
111
                The Spurs core is a year older, after a long postseason run 2 years...
Aug 07th 2014
                     and how many times did we say the celtics were old and done?
Aug 07th 2014
140
           no, Truth is absolutely correct
Aug 07th 2014
56
                shit, Doc TALKING ABOUT IT...
Aug 07th 2014
65
                even SouthEuclidMan admits it.
Aug 07th 2014
109
                     you gobbled a L for every chip bron won
Aug 07th 2014
125
                          I have always been good with him staying gone
Aug 07th 2014
134
                               i'm eating a bowl of shit because Lebron is saving Kyrie legacy?
Aug 07th 2014
143
                                    lol @ him saving Kyrie's legacy
Aug 07th 2014
147
                                         he said the opposite actually.....
Aug 07th 2014
153
                                         LMMFAO
Aug 07th 2014
166
                                         nobody is eating more shyt than the city of cleveland
Aug 07th 2014
214
                                              shut your monkey ass up, Toine
Aug 07th 2014
221
                                              the spin these dudes trying put on this is hilarious
Aug 07th 2014
246
                                                   ain't no spin, dogg.
Aug 07th 2014
252
                                                        the pain and hurt made you abandon your team
Aug 07th 2014
272
                                                             nope.
Aug 07th 2014
278
                                                             lol dude shouldve just kept quiet and came back on the humble
Aug 07th 2014
325
                                                                  nice reacharound there, Toine
Aug 08th 2014
348
                were you guys paying attention in the regular season?
Aug 07th 2014
116
                I assumed that the Finals was the point of discussion here
Aug 07th 2014
129
                     I think you have to discuss both when discussing a new team
Aug 07th 2014
149
                          Hmm....
Aug 07th 2014
167
                               I agree they had no excuses
Aug 07th 2014
188
                spot on... lol
Aug 07th 2014
201
                IMO there were gelling issues as late as 2012
Aug 07th 2014
239
                The "LeBron almost choked in '13" narrative is fauly as hell
Aug 07th 2014
244
                box scores. that dude was straight up sitting on the court in game 6
Aug 07th 2014
250
                     I did.
Aug 07th 2014
261
                          again with the box scores.
Aug 07th 2014
269
                               Watched the game. Saw him score 15 points and that three
Aug 07th 2014
275
                                    I'm not the one fiercely defending a widely accepted near-choke
Aug 07th 2014
279
                                         LOL @ "widely accepted"
Aug 07th 2014
283
                                              literally everyone except LeBronies say 'if not for Ray Allen...'
Aug 07th 2014
287
                                                   "Ray Allen hit the biggest shot" is a lot different than...
Aug 07th 2014
290
                                                        Semantics. It's the same shit.
Aug 07th 2014
294
                                                             Denial and anger. It's the same shit.
Aug 07th 2014
295
                                                                  No, that is projection. You are saying I'm mad
Aug 07th 2014
297
                THANK YOU.
Aug 07th 2014
314
      This, and lmao @truth still holding onto Bron chokes agenda
Aug 07th 2014
96
           lolz. dude is scavenging hard w/ these struggle gendas.
Aug 07th 2014
131
           he simultaneously thinks Love is shit
Aug 07th 2014
161
      It's basically a brand new team
Aug 07th 2014
36
           The Celtics did...
Aug 07th 2014
47
                It's still possible, but it's not a problem unless
Aug 07th 2014
53
                     the celts also featured 3 guys who were more than ready
Aug 07th 2014
157
obviously
Aug 07th 2014
30
Finals or bust, definitely ring or bust within two years (as in next yea...
Aug 07th 2014
159
RE: So ring or bust, right?
Jan 22nd 2016
377
These mofos aint bout shit. Gonna get swept 1st round.
Aug 07th 2014
4
How's Dion coming off the bench?
Aug 07th 2014
11
If they're the Expendables, he's Dolph Lundgren.
Aug 07th 2014
44
C'mon, you heard about Bron calling him & telling him to "be ready".
Aug 07th 2014
75
Blatt won't make it through two practices before making him 6th man
Aug 07th 2014
46
      Mike Miller's limbs will implode before our eyes if he's starting.
Aug 07th 2014
73
           starting means starting, not 35 minutes.
Aug 07th 2014
78
                He hasn't played more than 20 mins or started 20 games since 2010
Aug 07th 2014
80
                     i'm good no matter what, dude. this worked out better than i dreamed.
Aug 07th 2014
90
                          i know you partying like shit, fam. lolz. best case scenario for you.
Aug 07th 2014
135
                               i ain't even partying yet. i'm just HAPPY.
Aug 07th 2014
168
Love re-signed already?
Aug 07th 2014
12
i don't get why he's going for the absolute max
Aug 07th 2014
15
RE: i don't get why he's going for the absolute max
Aug 07th 2014
20
yeah, probably, i mean he and irving getting the max makes sense
Aug 07th 2014
162
He wants that long term guaranteed money now, that PG injury got...
Aug 07th 2014
16
      He white
Aug 07th 2014
32
           He bangs his body around for rebounds and gets hurt a lot.
Aug 07th 2014
98
I can only wish for the best.
Aug 07th 2014
14
Just stop Doc
Aug 07th 2014
26
lol, if you think I'm going to follow the crowd
Aug 07th 2014
42
      Why are you saying this like it's a bad thing?
Aug 07th 2014
48
      Doc, any team Bron is on is Bron's team.
Aug 07th 2014
71
           yeah, I'm ignoring that.
Aug 07th 2014
72
                Grade A Cuban B. I can respect that
Aug 07th 2014
99
                C'mon, that's just silly. It's not a slight to Kyrie.
Aug 07th 2014
127
                     he is, I just don't care about it beyond schadenfreude for the detractor...
Aug 07th 2014
139
by this logic, it was WADE'S TEAM all along
Aug 07th 2014
189
      well, it's Wade's Team now. LOL
Aug 07th 2014
268
           Doc, you know I love you
Aug 07th 2014
298
                ok, go find O_E's post about that series.
Aug 07th 2014
302
                     calling it old isn't pretending it didn't happen
Aug 07th 2014
306
Western Conference PFs must be sad to see Minny's turnstile head East
Aug 07th 2014
17
Love about to have stats AND rings over your boy. You very mad
Aug 07th 2014
101
      I'm not convinced Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh
Aug 07th 2014
206
Happy for CLE, bring it on assholes
Aug 07th 2014
18
I can't wait.
Aug 07th 2014
24
*returning this Fall*
Aug 07th 2014
21
nah, Luke, Sofia home NOW...ROCK N' ROLL OPRAH!!!
Aug 07th 2014
34
Rather my Sixers face Lebron Love in 2-3 years then Lebron Wiggins...
Aug 07th 2014
23
so will those Wiggins rookie cards in a Cavs uni be collector's items?
Aug 07th 2014
25
Love better than Randle + Booz + Hill + Sacre (lol) combined
Aug 07th 2014
31
Bad move for the Cavs IMO
Aug 07th 2014
28
solid hate, good work.
Aug 07th 2014
37
Lol, hate? I WANT to see em do good
Aug 07th 2014
115
      pretty much
Aug 07th 2014
118
      Exactly
Aug 07th 2014
180
      I was legitimately complimenting you
Aug 07th 2014
160
           Lol, my bad bro
Aug 07th 2014
163
agreed
Aug 07th 2014
45
No Excuses 2015!
Aug 07th 2014
38
This is basically a downgraded Heat team
Aug 07th 2014
39
lol
Aug 07th 2014
51
Welcome Andrew Wiggins and (maybe) Anthony Bennett
Aug 07th 2014
40
I'm on board.
Aug 07th 2014
50
RE: I'm on board.
Aug 07th 2014
57
Oh, unquestionably.
Aug 07th 2014
66
What changed?
Aug 07th 2014
58
Reality changed.
Aug 07th 2014
63
pretty much where I am with it.
Aug 07th 2014
      No one wants to be *that* fan-- the "If Only" Fan.
Aug 07th 2014
74
           yeah. I don't think people actually watched the Kyrie Cavs
Aug 07th 2014
86
                If they get a goon who can goon it up for 15 minutes per game?
Aug 07th 2014
119
                     Pretty much.
Aug 07th 2014
141
Hmmmm...
Aug 07th 2014
64
must see tv. that offense will hum.
Aug 07th 2014
77
As many props as Masai got for getting role players back from NY
Aug 07th 2014
61
yeah Flip played hardball and stood his ground, there was all this talk....
Aug 07th 2014
91
I haven't been impressed with either of his drafts so far
Aug 07th 2014
97
Well, all we have are question marks so far
Aug 07th 2014
92
They are in a great position given the circumstances
Aug 07th 2014
110
Eh, Flip simply backed into this one.
Aug 07th 2014
105
*bathing in desperate manufactured narratives and agenda reprisal fear*
Aug 07th 2014
62
Will this be what brings Coolidge and Basa together?
Aug 07th 2014
67
If Russy, Love, Jordan, Kyle and LaVine didn't...nothing will.
Aug 07th 2014
102
So Uncle Drew, Wes, Lebron's Old Man Character and Maya Moore
Aug 07th 2014
70
Undeniably.
Aug 07th 2014
76
And what does this mean for Tristan?
Aug 07th 2014
81
that extension's gonna hurt them.
Aug 07th 2014
84
Who cares? Neither Dion nor Tristan will be a Cav in two years
Aug 07th 2014
85
      So they're gonna pay him more than he's worth & hope somebody...
Aug 07th 2014
114
           lemme try this again...
Aug 07th 2014
120
           They aren't going to pay him, period.
Aug 07th 2014
123
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs3ebq9CYAA_LN4.jpg
Aug 07th 2014
83
The real winner here: NBA2K15 players.
Aug 07th 2014
87
Love is gonna have a highlight reel of just outlets this season
Aug 07th 2014
88
4 predictions for next season
Aug 07th 2014
89
Why didn't the Cavs wait & sign Love next summer?
Aug 07th 2014
94
No money.
Aug 07th 2014
103
I don't believe they could afford him
Aug 07th 2014
106
with what? there's a salary cap, dude.
Aug 07th 2014
107
I wasn't clear on their cap situation.
Aug 07th 2014
172
      the league's projecting a cap of about $68M for next yr
Aug 07th 2014
174
lol, what? with what money? and minnie wasnt gonna find a taker?
Aug 07th 2014
164
So it's okay when YOU construct a super team?
Aug 07th 2014
95
Blue collar lunch pail attitude
Aug 07th 2014
100
Gilbert is smartly playing the background on all of this
Aug 07th 2014
104
right, lol...
Aug 07th 2014
108
DAT CLOAK
Aug 07th 2014
112
the irony of this is not lost on me
Aug 07th 2014
113
signed a guy as an FA, traded two No. 1 overalls
Aug 07th 2014
165
No, probably not. With that said...
Aug 07th 2014
209
      you seem too angry to think straight but this is completely different
Aug 07th 2014
218
      oh no doubt he is a scumbag and i root for him to fail
Aug 07th 2014
329
Yeah, fuck Gilbert in the eye socket
Aug 07th 2014
169
So they are basically a younger Miami: couple superstars,no depth
Aug 07th 2014
117
FEELINGS!
Aug 07th 2014
121
If Rosey is good this year me and you will be at war fam
Aug 07th 2014
126
nothing more than FEELINGS!!
Aug 07th 2014
176
minus the 2 established players that got their teams to the playoffs...
Aug 07th 2014
122
      right, lol
Aug 07th 2014
130
      plus a miniscus, elite FT shooting in close games, outside shooting
Aug 07th 2014
133
      yea this shit is win win for bron really
Aug 07th 2014
137
           good point, lol
Aug 07th 2014
142
           lol... no, it's not gonna work like that.
Aug 07th 2014
156
           Basically. Bron out there look like he doing charity work.
Aug 07th 2014
158
           Regardless of who's on the squad
Aug 07th 2014
171
           MMMM HMMMMM, and y'all gotta live with it cuz it's true
Aug 07th 2014
178
                lol
Aug 07th 2014
191
btw this thread is a testament to how much Bron moves the needle
Aug 07th 2014
132
nope, it's about the Love deal becoming OFFICIAL AKA Woj said so
Aug 07th 2014
136
clearly its the biggest story in the upcoming NBA season and will be...
Aug 07th 2014
138
I wouldn't give him the credit as much as the agendanites
Aug 07th 2014
145
True. Also, the NBA season ended almost 2 months ago.
Aug 07th 2014
146
How disappointed you think Wiggins is right now? Lol
Aug 07th 2014
148
It would be funny if Minnesota made the playoffs this year
Aug 07th 2014
150
Sheeeit, he's taking notes from Kevin Love right now.
Aug 07th 2014
151
Noted
Aug 07th 2014
300
BUT BUT BUT..wait .Kevin Love was born in Santa Monica (c)......
Aug 07th 2014
152
Bron >>> Dat Cloak
Aug 07th 2014
154
      gotta be..bcz Santa Monica >>> the whole state of Ohio.....lolz
Aug 07th 2014
170
           Fact.
Aug 07th 2014
173
Daamn Wiggins is getting John Snowed
Aug 07th 2014
155
YOU KNOW NOTHING, AN-DREW
Aug 07th 2014
194
6 in play, y'all
Aug 07th 2014
175
6 what?! lol
Aug 07th 2014
177
6...what do the kinds say? ah, yes...6 THANGS
Aug 07th 2014
179
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1YmiT8qKg
Aug 07th 2014
181
           i did not "is definite' or even "is probable"
Aug 07th 2014
182
                what if he doesn't get to 4? what if he doesn't get to 3?
Aug 07th 2014
185
i wouldn't even put it that high.
Aug 07th 2014
183
all of chicago so scared. THIS IS GREAT
Aug 07th 2014
184
      you sound silly. but party on, garth.
Aug 07th 2014
186
He's gonna win 4 more? Yeesh. Yeah....I dunno. He's 30, man.
Aug 07th 2014
187
well jordan won his 3rd at 30
Aug 07th 2014
195
      We need to stop doing this.
Aug 07th 2014
210
           i said all of this in one sentence.
Aug 07th 2014
211
                I know. It's not directed at you, so much...I just hear it a lot.
Aug 07th 2014
248
                     he did say 20% chance
Aug 07th 2014
253
ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play
Aug 07th 2014
202
RE: ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play
Aug 07th 2014
226
      RE: ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play
Aug 07th 2014
254
dawg, he barely won 2 with a stacked deck...
Aug 07th 2014
203
lol
Aug 07th 2014
208
lol
Aug 07th 2014
224
RE: 6 in play, y'all
Jan 22nd 2016
378
The Cavs?:
Aug 07th 2014
190
is Barea in the deal?
Aug 07th 2014
196
      Rumored. Anyone I put a ? next to is rumored to be going there.
Aug 07th 2014
204
      lol @ Barea coming to the Cavs....
Aug 07th 2014
223
$61 MILL FOR THREE PLAYERS?!!!!! / FUCK THIS TRADE
Aug 07th 2014
192
the superteam worked out terribly in miami
Aug 07th 2014
193
Actually, there are conflicting reports about that....
Aug 07th 2014
197
yeah, dude, it's on them
Aug 07th 2014
200
      RE: yeah, dude, it's on them
Aug 07th 2014
212
that money getting gobbled up by tristan dion and MLEs
Aug 07th 2014
198
1) They will pay lux tax to do it 2) Cap is going up 3) Follow the patte...
Aug 07th 2014
249
this nygga in here saying its Kyries Team
Aug 07th 2014
205
shut your monkey ass up, Toine
Aug 07th 2014
219
should be a poll, but fuck it -- Kevin Love v. Chris Bosh, who's better?
Aug 07th 2014
207
On the offensive end, Love laps Bosh handily.
Aug 07th 2014
213
No he don't.
Aug 07th 2014
215
Bosh's last season in TOR, 25-yo: 24.0 ppg, .518 FG%
Aug 07th 2014
217
You didn't ask who was better at age 25.
Aug 07th 2014
288
people just don't get it, when Miami was really rolling and winning 25.....
Aug 07th 2014
225
      lol, so should they be the favorites or not?
Aug 07th 2014
229
      Favorites for the ESPN set? Yes. Favorites for the sharps? hmmmm...
Aug 07th 2014
235
      you considering yourself a sharp and hating on kevin love=priceless
Aug 07th 2014
260
      lazy term, trying to fit the headline, I don't think I'm a "sharp"
Aug 07th 2014
276
           nah, happy to let the future speak for itself
Aug 07th 2014
301
      i'm talking reality, that's why we're not on ESPN.com
Aug 07th 2014
292
      on paper yes, in reality no, that's why the trade doesn't make sense...
Aug 07th 2014
237
           lol, so this entire time you've been talking about the team on paper
Aug 07th 2014
273
                I think they will be the same this year as they are next year, Love is.....
Aug 07th 2014
308
                why not?
Aug 08th 2014
332
                     ^^^^^^^
Aug 08th 2014
336
                RE: lol, so this entire time you've been talking about the team on paper
Aug 09th 2014
353
      that's it -- this Cavs roster looks deadly in transition, flat otherwise
Aug 07th 2014
231
      transition starts on the defense end, I don't see this team having the.....
Aug 07th 2014
259
      RE: that's it -- this Cavs roster looks deadly in transition, flat other...
Aug 07th 2014
262
      at least to start
Aug 07th 2014
234
           Right, defense is an obvious question.
Aug 07th 2014
293
It will be interesting to see if Lebron and Blatt can get Love and Kyrie...
Aug 07th 2014
216
      uh nothing. bron ain't that dickhead type teammate like CP3 or kobe
Aug 07th 2014
227
           lmmfao, when did CP3 get that 'Kobe' upgrade?
Aug 07th 2014
230
           do you watch clippers games?
Aug 07th 2014
232
                I don't see LeBron doing it either however
Aug 07th 2014
241
                yeah, rumor mill told me Blake + DJ kinda hated playing with CP3
Aug 07th 2014
245
           Kyrie is probably one of the cockiest young dudes in the league, at...
Aug 07th 2014
263
                nigga got beat up in the locker room by dion. he ain't confronting bron
Aug 07th 2014
265
                Kyrie's been playing defense for Team USA.
Aug 07th 2014
289
                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
Aug 07th 2014
312
LOL @ Waiters coming off the bench
Aug 07th 2014
220
I don't think he starts with Miller and Jones on the team
Aug 07th 2014
222
      What? He's the best SG on the team & earned the spot two years running
Aug 07th 2014
233
           he was there out of necessity before
Aug 07th 2014
236
           Dion was and still is the best shooting guard on the Cavaliers
Aug 07th 2014
242
                sadly, Waiters still struggling with the "5 players, 1 ball" conundrum
Aug 07th 2014
256
                     Dion & Kyrie were both guilty of playing selfish
Aug 07th 2014
266
                          true. They were a terrible fit together. Doesn't make Dion blameless.
Aug 07th 2014
280
                          They fit fine together, but they weren't held similarly accountable
Aug 07th 2014
303
                          FOH with that Cavs Talk crap...Dion was BENCHED for selfishness
Aug 07th 2014
285
                               Dion was benched cause of Mike Brown & Bynum & then earned the spot back...
Aug 07th 2014
305
                                    nah, man...go 'head with this bullshit rhetoric
Aug 07th 2014
311
                                         DIon had upperclassmen ahead of him in college but was Cuse best player
Aug 07th 2014
313
                                              talk about how Dion ignored Kyrie and got stonewalled against Boston
Aug 07th 2014
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           yea potential for huge L's around this
Aug 07th 2014
257
                LeBron gets +1 fandom points if he gets Dion to act right.
Aug 07th 2014
274
                See, man, Dion's "attitude problems" have been overblown
Aug 07th 2014
277
                     I don't even think he's all of that either.
Aug 07th 2014
281
                          alight, some of these are very fair critiques of Waiters' game
Aug 07th 2014
286
                what physical tools? he's 6-3 and not an elite shooter or athlete
Aug 07th 2014
317
btw: absolutely no one who didn't root for the Cavs 2010-14
Aug 07th 2014
228
Basa only rooted for Irving so he should only claim his individual award...
Aug 07th 2014
238
still counts. if you were in for the mess of 2013-14 alone?
Aug 07th 2014
247
something bout team-less player-fans just get to me
Aug 07th 2014
255
i rooted for ALL them bammas...every game...they was just sorry as fuck
Aug 07th 2014
264
      Naw, u wanted a spot up shooter like Klay not a all around dog like Dion...
Aug 07th 2014
282
           you did see what happened when Steph Curry got Klay
Aug 07th 2014
284
                just be another dude for Kyrie to not pass to while he drives into 3 def...
Aug 07th 2014
296
                     Ok, we're done here.
Aug 07th 2014
299
                          I know Kyrie will play better, play D this year & be more efficient
Aug 07th 2014
310
                               nah...8 will be fine...bron and love will initiate plenty of plays, so
Aug 07th 2014
320
damn why the cavs fan era start when kyrie got there?
Aug 07th 2014
243
Kyrie was drafted in 2011, bruh
Aug 07th 2014
251
      i know, bruh
Aug 07th 2014
258
This is real though, seriously, people need go to their corner
Aug 07th 2014
267
I've been waiting over 20 years for this get back.
Aug 07th 2014
271
Craig Ehlo wept.
Aug 07th 2014
291
But there's like three people on here who rode for the Cavs for that lon...
Aug 07th 2014
307
      yep, sounds about right to me
Aug 07th 2014
315
Then don't start cheering for Lebron u shytfaced clown
Aug 07th 2014
309
it's Kyrie's Team, Toine.
Aug 08th 2014
341
What about that old Cavs/Lakers alliance?
Aug 07th 2014
318
      nothing has changed.
Aug 08th 2014
342
not worried about love. don't/never did care if this trade went down
Aug 07th 2014
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Let them go crazy, we perfectly set up to compete with that squad
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lol, perfectly
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#postsfrom2011
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lol miami was beating yal with bosh playing that roll
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For real fam. Let them cook. bubble quietly.
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      DONT WE KNOW HOW THIS MOVIE ENDS?! (c) Chris Rock
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      Y'all right, we don't stand a chance. Yup, Rose knee.
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      this counts as title talk, circa 2006. thanks.
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      I been talking title for 2 years. The hell you been?
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           cool.
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      and then it'll switch to the regular theme of crying about the refs
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      if you're agreeing with everyone, then you can't make them eat crow
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      It's all about the knee's.
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      RE: It's all about the knee's.
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      ^^ you right I'm on it
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At the end of the day basketball is 5-on-5, not 3-on-3, and Cleveland...
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soooo... they aren't the favorites?
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      you've been following me around in this post trying to make strawman...
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           cause you want it both ways
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                RE: cause you want it both ways
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                     so if he was swept all 3 times
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                          lol, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now, the Gasol.....
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                               Love is better than Memphis Pau....Pau was a third tier big back then
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thats cool but we still winning the East
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Sounds like Thad to Minny, AB to Philly
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I must be thinking of a different Thad Young.
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      yeah, this Thad Young thing is.... weird
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This post have it all. (c) Mississippi Monta
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this dude comes back like Maxwell after 10 years and does numbers
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Kevin Love jersey burning
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Glasses be helpin'.
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NBA could block Kevin Love trade if agreement for him to sign long-term ...
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RE: LeBron Love Kyrie and Kyrie Love Bron
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This post had me going thru the archives
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I'm admiring this squad from afar, but I'm rooting HOARD for Minny tho
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Wait. You mean the picks YOU DEFENDED?!
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you lying nasty bitch...THIS WHY WE NEED BETTER SEARCHES!!!!
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You lying nasty bitch, this is why you need to read.
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      you said i called tristan "the right pick"...stop cysin shit
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Yeah, he easily wanted none of them dudes.
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Simmons trolls Truth: Love = new Barkley, will average 22-15-5
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It's very possible.
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thru 10 games -- 16.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
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Deal per ESPN
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philly gives no fucks
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      But even that was brought on by David Robinson's injury
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           yea it made sense when they were getting bennett back
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                RE: yea it made sense when they were getting bennett back
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                     I just don't think there was much of a market for Young
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Post #175.
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and Post #22.
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Love = Guarded Unanimous, 73-win havin' ass MVP
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1. "So is Philly not involved in this?"
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I was looking forward to Thad Young.

Unless AB is going to be shipped off in a separate trade.

Either way, I'm not mad at getting Wiggins. Only folks mad at this will be Cleveland fans, for whatever reason.

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5. "I'd rather have AB over Thad if I was Minn"
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6. "why are people so in love with thad young?"
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he's cool but he looks like a is what he is type of player

  

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9. "They play fantasy & just see the stats. "
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Just like people who watched the Sixers never could understand the Iggy love.

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13. "thad disappears in games WAY more than iggy "
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i'm struggling to think of a single "thaddeus young moment"
bennett and young are both undersized 4s with overrated shooting ability
not sure what thad contract situation is but i'm not sure why the sixers would dump him only to get back a redundant (maybe worse) player

  

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19. "...for what? lol"
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29. "Not particularly excited about The Better Version of LJ"
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Only problem with trading with the Sixers is you know they're going to want multiple first round picks, and you know Flip will probably do it.

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43. "You should be excited. The kid's got game. "
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55. "No snark, but what about last year made you high on AB?"
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Honestly, I'd like to know.

I'm not totally opposed to keeping him, but what does he actually bring to the Wolves?

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59. "Ignore last season. He was coming off surgery."
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He was a raw prospect WITHOUT the surgery.

He shoots very well for a guy his size, he moves/jumps very well for a guy his size, his handles should be better than most his size. He doesn't defend (my huge knock against him at the time), but offensively, he has undeniable skills. They just need time.

Especially considering he missed the summer due to surgery and once he was "healthy" he came in out of shape.

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68. "the Mike Brown factor can not also be ignored"
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>He shoots very well for a guy his size, he moves/jumps very
>well for a guy his size, his handles should be better than
>most his size. He doesn't defend (my huge knock against him at
>the time), but offensively, he has undeniable skills. They
>just need time.
>
>Especially considering he missed the summer due to surgery and
>once he was "healthy" he came in out of shape.

that even Tristan Thompson regressed last season is no accident. so a raw rookie with actual NBA skills, drafted too high, coming off surgery in a team where inbound passes are like pulling teeth, you got the Lost Member of Onyx settling for long 2s when he had the 3 open, Earl Clark launching bricks, Andrew Bynum not caring about basketball, and Dion standing around like the Drew Bledsoe statue in Gillette Stadium when he doesn't have the ball until Andrew Delladevova yells at him where to go was pretty much doomed.

  

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199. "RE: Ignore last season. He was coming off surgery."
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I don't get the "for his size" thing. he was fat last year so maybe that's it, but he's only 6'7''

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69. "Nothing he did last year, but his skillset and body are fantastic."
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Needs a better work ethic, but that can be learned with being a professional.

It's not like he's Michael Beasley, just immature. He's 6'8, great hands, feet, 3 pt range, athleticism, and long ass Elton Brand arms.

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82. "Interesting"
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We'll see if he's moved or not.

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52. "I was excited to see what he was gonna do this year"
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alas...

he'll start out being a poor man's version of the guy you lost, and Wiggins will be a rich man's version of that guy you drafted 2nd over all 4 years ago, and ALL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS SAID THE CAVS SHOULD HAVE PICKED....

  

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60. "Yep, it's remembered."
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, and ALL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS
>SAID THE CAVS SHOULD HAVE PICKED....

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2. "Gilbert got em all!!!!"
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GANGSTER!

PIMP!

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GODFATHER!

Everybody wanted one of them, HE GOT EM ALL!!!!!

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93. "Nice"
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3. "So ring or bust, right?"
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"Love will join superstar LeBron James and Kyrie Irving to create the most devastating trio in the NBA and will instantly make the Cavaliers a frontrunner to win the NBA championship."

>https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-have-agreement-to-acquire-kevin-love--who-commits-to-staying-in-cleveland-054657392.html


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7. "every year"
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oh no doubt

  

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8. "They aren't winning a ring this year"
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They'll represent the east in the finals though.

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10. "speak on it."
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22. "eventually, but not now IMO"
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I can't see them beating Dallas, San Antonio, Clippers, Thunder, etc.

unless Blatt brings that "Postrophe Ball That Actually Works In Masking Poo Poo Defense" realness

  

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27. "By 2016, yes"
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ECF or bust 2015, chip or bust 2016

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33. "what's going to change between now and 2016?"
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35. "the Heat took a year to get it together too"
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and before you say they merely flamed out in the finals, well they did, but they also had gelling issues all year that were much more ironed out the next season.

  

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41. "They were fine until somebody starting having issues in the 4th quarter...."
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I don't remember who

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49. "they weren't fine, you weren't paying attention"
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54. "they won 58 games, they lost a total of 3 games the first 3 rounds..."
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of the playoffs.

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79. "yah. the issues were mainly in the 1st half of that season"
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by the 2nd half and the playoffs they were in sync
they could (should) have won the chip that year
but dallas caught EVERYONE off guard and you always get a pass for the 1st yr of a team no matter how good they are

  

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124. "they had a worse record in the 2nd half."
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>you always get a pass
>for the 1st yr of a team no matter how good they are

and this is all i'm saying. people are gonna overreact if they lose, but 2016 will be when the real pressure is on.

  

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128. "doesn't speak to whether they were more in sync or not"
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ie: who did they play, did they take games off last couple weeks etc

  

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144. "true, they lost to some good teams"
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(and the cavs, that was pretty funny) but they couldn't have been taking too many games off since they were still going for the #1 seed

  

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111. "we get it, you have an agenda"
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but most teams that build the way they are have to get it together for a season before making a real run at the championship. the 08 celtics are the exception. the cavs certainly should be considered ONE of the favorites. but over a spurs team that JUST won, gels better than everyone, and has easily the best organization in the league? nah dude, spurs are the favorites until we see how everyone else plays.

regarding the 2010 heat run in the eastern playoffs:

a) it's the east.

b) every favorite should destroy the first 2 rounds. doesn't always happen, but they should. the only surprising result was them killing the bulls.

c) you're forgetting they were expected to win more than 58 games. people predicting 70+ wins were being unreasonable, but 60-something was perfectly within reach. let's not act like people weren't disappointed by the regular season. we all remember it.

  

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"The Spurs core is a year older, after a long postseason run 2 years..."


          

in a row who knows what they have left in the tank. The wheels have to come off at some point.

Unless Rose can really play at a near-MVP level all season the Cavs won't have any competition in the east.

The window for them is open now. The Love trade is a win-now move. If the don't win Lebron opts out and holds the entire league hostage all over again.

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140. "and how many times did we say the celtics were old and done?"
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and their role players are actually pretty young. the point is every team has more "ifs" than the spurs. that's kinda the deal with being the favorite.

>
>Unless Rose can really play at a near-MVP level all season the
>Cavs won't have any competition in the east.

i agree they're coming out of the east. that doesn't mean they're prepared for the West winner yet, whoever that may be. we'll have to see.

>
>The window for them is open now. The Love trade is a win-now
>move. If the don't win Lebron opts out and holds the entire
>league hostage all over again.

1. Bron isn't leaving or even testing free agency again. He'll be roasted even more than before if he does. He's just getting a deal under the new CBA.

2. lol. you mean if they don't win in 2 years? i've already said they need to win one by 2016. but when a new team doesn't win the year they were assembled it shouldn't be considered the end of the world (provided they don't COMPLETELY flame out like the D12 Lakers).

3. since you're not high on love and like to harp on his lack of playoff experience, how can you declare them the favorites? the spurs have all the playoff experience in the world and you think a NEW team with kevin love should be favored over them? that's inconsistent, no?

  

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56. "no, Truth is absolutely correct"
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and we won't allow this "truth" to be obscured (like so many do)

there weren't "gelling" issues in 2011. there was someone completely disappearing, just like there was the year prior. and this time around, his teammates couldn't be blamed

the same shit almost happened in 2013. but Ray Allen, DayQuil missing freethrows, and Popovich being a dumbass allowed that to pass.

  

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65. "shit, Doc TALKING ABOUT IT..."
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>there weren't "gelling" issues in 2011. there was someone
>completely disappearing, just like there was the year prior.
>and this time around, his teammates couldn't be blamed
>
>the same shit almost happened in 2013. but Ray Allen, DayQuil
>missing freethrows, and Popovich being a dumbass allowed that
>to pass.
>

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109. "even SouthEuclidMan admits it."
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2012 ended the "agenda", talking about what happened all those other years in Miami is just being truthful.

2011 - choke
2012 - un-choke
2013 - near-choke (hello Ray)
2014 - Fall of an Empire (and note in the games LeBron could contribute for the duration, he made sure the overall numbers were within his usual; D-Wade's health gamble turned out to be an ass bet, amnestying Mike Miller was dumb, Bosh and Cole tried, Chalmers, Battier, Ray Allen, Beasley, etc. were non-factors)

I'm good after 2011 and 2013 validated my "agenda" at this point

  

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125. "you gobbled a L for every chip bron won"
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and only crawled back on to this board after going into hiding because bron decided to bless your shitty city/team with his presence

>I'm good after 2011 and 2013 validated my "agenda" at this
>point

u ain't win shit

  

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134. "I have always been good with him staying gone"
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I only came back to watch shameless eaters of dick like yourself take a break from the dick eating to eat from the giant bowl of shit LeBron created by coming back to play in Cleveland with Gilbert with each passing game. not to mention that same bowl of shit created when jabronis said Kyrie was gonna be gone when the opportunity arose.

if I didn't come back to laugh at that last Finals L in the middle of all that Jordan comparing bullshit, I wasn't coming back unless the impossible happened.

you on the other hand, gotta eat that bowl of shit, SouthEuclidMan.

  

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143. "i'm eating a bowl of shit because Lebron is saving Kyrie legacy?"
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bwhahahahahahah

  

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147. "lol @ him saving Kyrie's legacy"
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that never, ever, EVER factored in the eyes of LeBronies
this new "LeBron saves them all" shit is laughable

you (and the rest of the LeBronies) are eating a giant bowl of shit because he did exactly what you said he would never do again.

you can not flip this no matter how much you try.

I'm happy because Kyrie will likely benefit, but that's about it. I'm not invested in a non-GOAT being GOAT like you guys are. I saw the GOAT play in a Bulls uniform just like everyone else did.

  

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153. "he said the opposite actually....."
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> he did exactly what you said he would never do
>again.

he was always open. he said it was possible "later on in his career"

and yes kyrie career trajectory was pure shit before The Letter
longo and bags basically made up the "he gone" narrative cause it was the ONLY way his career was going be a success at that point in time
nigga had ZERO chance of leading a bad team to success as the #1
i have no problem with him being bron's butler. if he fuck up in prime time though it's getting examined

  

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166. "LMMFAO"
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>he was always open. he said it was possible "later on in his
>career"

yeah, he might have said it. none of the LeBronies here actually said it/believed it. Well, except Vex and Vee, who are exempt from the bowl of shit. Go look at his poll/post and see how many votes are for "going back to Cleveland". all that shit leading up to The Letter was basically of the "he's never going back to play for Gilbert" flavor. EVERYONE, not just OKP said it.

>and yes kyrie career trajectory was pure shit before The
>Letter

nope. even if it wasn't on the Cavs, he would have CP3-ed his way onto another team and been good.

>longo and bags basically made up the "he gone" narrative cause
>it was the ONLY way his career was going be a success at that
>point in time

no, that came from people (fans of big market teams) salivating over his talent and mad that CLE drafted him (or even had the chance to draft him. that's the hidden part of that Derrick Williams is better agenda)

though Longo did want him out of CLE because he's a citizen of LeBronon and (honestly, the way that front office was going with what they had was some shit).

>nigga had ZERO chance of leading a bad team to success as the
>#1

we'll never get to see it now. I think that he was going to finally do it after this offseason. but things have changed.

>i have no problem with him being bron's butler. if he fuck up
>in prime time though it's getting examined

lmfao @ Bron's Butler. Dude is gonna be better alongside LeBron than Dwyane Wade ever was. Book it. Bron gonna be "old" before Kyrie will.

  

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214. "nobody is eating more shyt than the city of cleveland"
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including you

ur only option is lookin like an idiot and tryin to proclaim it as Kyries Team rather than accept the fact yal are Brons charity case

us Lebron fans will still continue to shyt on that city and its residences and the OWNER

cause literally nothing has changed accept bron feeling sorry for yal and returning so yal can worship the greatness he bestows upon that hell hole of an area





Say dat then.
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221. "shut your monkey ass up, Toine"
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246. "the spin these dudes trying put on this is hilarious "
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>ur only option is lookin like an idiot and tryin to proclaim
>it as Kyries Team rather than accept the fact yal are Brons
>charity case

  

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252. "ain't no spin, dogg."
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I'm not a LeBron James fan. that's known.

y'all going to have to watch from the sidelines this time around.

  

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272. "the pain and hurt made you abandon your team"
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the nigga you hate is the only reason why you can show your face in public
and anyone cares about your team again
u basically have no authority to say shit
"loyal" cavs fans are 2nd class citizens in lebronia
go somewhere

  

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278. "nope."
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I've rooted for the Cavs without waver since Price/Nance/Daugherty.

if we're talking player nations, I have citizenship in the following locales:

- Rondopia
- Kobestan
- North Kyriea

I also have a summer home in NyQuil Township, Georgia.

and I have never adopted the Celtics or the Lakers as my "team". ever. I'm not even vacationing in LeBronon.

the dude I "hate" made my team better on paper.
I don't care if other people care about the team or not.
they are non factors.

  

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325. "lol dude shouldve just kept quiet and came back on the humble"
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There is no win for him here

like at all

he looks dumb trying to diminish bron

and he's going to look dumb cheering for him

dude going to be watching the games like this
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the dude he wrote maniacal essays about is now beloved by his city and fellow fans and making cavs an instant contender

this ish gotta be torture

shouldve just kept quiet

I was going to let him make it till the kyrie comments


Say dat then.
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348. "nice reacharound there, Toine"
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116. "were you guys paying attention in the regular season?"
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>there weren't "gelling" issues in 2011.

it's literally what people were talking about everyday. how does no one remember this? i already agreed he and the heat flamed out in the finals. the two are not mutually exclusive.

  

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129. "I assumed that the Finals was the point of discussion here"
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I assumed the Finals was the point of discussion here.

I think by now, LeBron knows that he can't appear/go slack in big games, and it largely showed this last season. at least in the box scores, so I don't expect him to "choke".

it's just people try to forget that he can and HAS choked...

  

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149. "I think you have to discuss both when discussing a new team"
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a good, experienced team can sorta take it easy in the reg. season, knowing they're basically ensured a top 4 seed. a new team doesn't have that luxury. they HAVE to focus on gelling completely in the regular season in order to have playoff success. the 08 celts are a good example: they stormed in and took the top spot from the pistons. the heat are on the other end, as we should've known something was up when they let the bulls steal away the 1 seed (no excuse for their finals performance, just saying everything wasn't as perfect as everyone's painting it now). in fairness, they did destroy the bulls in the playoffs, but couldn't that be more emblematic of problems with that bulls team rather than a credit to how good the heat were? more than 1 team can flame out in a single postseason.

  

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167. "Hmm...."
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>a good, experienced team can sorta take it easy in the reg.
>season, knowing they're basically ensured a top 4 seed. a new
>team doesn't have that luxury. they HAVE to focus on gelling
>completely in the regular season in order to have playoff
>success.

I guess. But I still think that 2011, there was no excuses. not even the "gelling" excuse. that was a legit choke job. that was the kind of shit that got Dirk fried for years, the kind of shit that made Kobe the bete noir of OKS.

>the 08 celts are a good example: they stormed in and
>took the top spot from the pistons. the heat are on the other
>end, as we should've known something was up when they let the
>bulls steal away the 1 seed (no excuse for their finals
>performance, just saying everything wasn't as perfect as
>everyone's painting it now). in fairness, they did destroy the
>bulls in the playoffs, but couldn't that be more emblematic of
>problems with that bulls team rather than a credit to how good
>the heat were? more than 1 team can flame out in a single
>postseason.

I don't remember too much about the regular season games to call the seeding issues (they basically did the same thing in 2014). but I do think the Bulls team then had some major problems. Some of which remain today but if Rose checks out I'll take 2014 Bulls over 2010 Bulls, for the reasons mentioned above.

  

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188. "I agree they had no excuses"
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>I guess. But I still think that 2011, there was no excuses.
>not even the "gelling" excuse. that was a legit choke job.
>that was the kind of shit that got Dirk fried for years, the
>kind of shit that made Kobe the bete noir of OKS.

specifically because that mavs team wasn't the greatest champion ever. and again, i've acknowledged their choking. but even when a top team has "no excuses" we can still analyze the team's issues. no team is perfect, and there's always a post-mortem to be done for the finals loser. the fact of the matter is they were up and down all season long. they'd look completely on the same page some nights and completely off others. they even won some of the games they were completely off just based on talent alone, but the headline the next day was still about what was wrong with them.

  

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201. "spot on... lol"
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I won't even say Bron choked.. you actually have to try and fail to choke. That negro hid.... He was M.I.A.

To his credit he came back like gangbusters and introduced us to bath salt bron in 2012 but that doesn't change 2011.

I was happy he figured it out tho. No one wants to see a person that talented fail to make it happen. That's not good for the sport.
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239. "IMO there were gelling issues as late as 2012"
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A lot of people, myself included, thought OKC would win the series because they played more as a team. That's kind of stunning to consider now, because in the post-Harden era, they have struggled with that themselves. But they were basically 10 seconds of Bron iso and 10 seconds of Wade iso. Defense was coming together. In 2011, I'd say even that wasn't there yet. There was more to that 2011 loss than Bron folding. Team chemistry was a factor. The Mavs being on a mission was another. It's funny that the same people cysing the fuck out of the Heat losing to the Mavs in a reasonably close series are just overlooking the way they absolutely sodomized the Lakers that same postseason.

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244. "The "LeBron almost choked in '13" narrative is fauly as hell"
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LeBron was the one who kept them in the game. He had a triple-double in Game 6. With 32 points. A bunch of a which brought them back before Ray Allen hit the three. Anything else is lame revisionist history.

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250. "box scores. that dude was straight up sitting on the court in game 6"
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>LeBron was the one who kept them in the game. He had a
>triple-double in Game 6. With 32 points. A bunch of a which
>brought them back before Ray Allen hit the three. Anything
>else is lame revisionist history.

go watch the tape

  

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261. "I did."
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Who scored 15 points in the fourth quarter, getting them back in the game? Who hit the three to make it 94-92?

Trying to Cuban B that shit is silly.

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269. "again with the box scores."
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he may have helped, but if Ray doesn't hit that three, that's a choke.

  

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275. "Watched the game. Saw him score 15 points and that three"
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279. "I'm not the one fiercely defending a widely accepted near-choke"
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283. "LOL @ "widely accepted""
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It's you and like five other people on OKS. Most of the time I reject the whole "only on OKS" thing, but, really, only on OKS.

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287. "literally everyone except LeBronies say 'if not for Ray Allen...'"
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that is so common, you can hear that said all the time about that series.

hell, even the SPURS themselves would say the same exact thing.

  

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290. ""Ray Allen hit the biggest shot" is a lot different than..."
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"LeBron almost choked." The wouldn't have even been in the game if not for LeBron in the fourth. I'd like to stop being repetitive, but you keep denying this.

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294. "Semantics. It's the same shit."
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Just more LeBrony friendly... FOH

  

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295. "Denial and anger. It's the same shit."
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297. "No, that is projection. You are saying I'm mad"
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because I said LeBron nearly choked. When that's what everyone (except basketball nerds and LeBron fans) would have said about that series if anyone else had won a game like that under those same conditions. it was literally seconds away from a total choke job until the Ray Allen, and it went to a 7th game, which wasn't.

it wasn't a "choke". it was a "near-choke".
there is a negative connotation with that word, I understand.
but I'm not in the business of tailoring my language to appease LeBron fans. I call it how I see it. you can put up monster stats in a game, to keep your game in it, and still almost choke.

"choke" doesn't just mean 4th quarter disappearance.

and I'm not "mad" because I saw a guy sit on the court with defeated body language because all of his work was about to be for naught.

that's what I saw. does that make me mad?

why would I even be mad at that anyway? LeBron won in 2012, without asterisks. if anything -that would have made me mad.

  

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314. "THANK YOU."
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around, his teammates couldn't be blamed
>
>the same shit almost happened in 2013. but Ray Allen, DayQuil
>missing freethrows, and Popovich being a dumbass allowed that
>to pass.
>

that's why I'll never get over Game 6

the narrative would've been how Pop contained Bron by sagging off of
him and forcing long jumpers

I remember how sad Bron looked before the last few minutes of Game 6

just like he did when the Celtics ran him out of Cleveland

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131. "lolz. dude is scavenging hard w/ these struggle gendas."
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IF THEY DON'T WIN YEAR ONE IT'S AN L

IF LOVE'S NUMBERS GO DOWN IT'S AN L

embarrassing.

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161. "he simultaneously thinks Love is shit"
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and Love's NEW team should be the favorites, and he won't accept any other views on those two topics.

  

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36. "It's basically a brand new team"
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The Heat didn't do it their first year (either time,) neither did the Pau Lakers.

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47. "The Celtics did..."
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>The Heat didn't do it their first year (either time,) neither
>did the Pau Lakers.

Pau came to the Lakers in February, not quite the same

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53. "It's still possible, but it's not a problem unless"
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Year Two comes and goes without a ring.

Also, the C's had Doc, not a dude who was brand new to the NBA.

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157. "the celts also featured 3 guys who were more than ready "
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to take on altered roles in that part of their career and a PG already comfortable with deferring. plus their bench was extremely well built.

  

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159. "Finals or bust, definitely ring or bust within two years (as in next yea..."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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377. "RE: So ring or bust, right?"
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4. "These mofos aint bout shit. Gonna get swept 1st round."
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SAVE THIS POST!!!!

  

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11. "How's Dion coming off the bench?"
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He's watching them D-Wade tapes huffing on a Black 'n Mild right now grinning,

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44. "If they're the Expendables, he's Dolph Lundgren."
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75. "C'mon, you heard about Bron calling him & telling him to "be ready"."
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They friends.

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46. "Blatt won't make it through two practices before making him 6th man"
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Mike Miller will be starting off guard.

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73. "Mike Miller's limbs will implode before our eyes if he's starting."
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You and I both know this.

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78. "starting means starting, not 35 minutes. "
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80. "He hasn't played more than 20 mins or started 20 games since 2010"
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You better hope.

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90. "i'm good no matter what, dude. this worked out better than i dreamed."
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no way i would have imagined love and bron with kyrie. no way. i was good with jabari and a dion trade.

it's all good. whatever blatt wanna do with dion is fine. i just think he's a 6th man. every coach who's had him thinks so too.

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135. "i know you partying like shit, fam. lolz. best case scenario for you."
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>no way i would have imagined love and bron with kyrie. no
>way. i was good with jabari and a dion trade.

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168. "i ain't even partying yet. i'm just HAPPY. "
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i know winning a title gona be hard. but at least it's a new "hard"...you know what was REALLY hard to deal with? Gee in that corner and Tristan playing pick and pop.

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12. "Love re-signed already? "
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That's stupid. Opt-in for another year, but doesn't settle now. Let that CBA kick in.
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15. "i don't get why he's going for the absolute max"
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i mean do i get it, it's more money
but makes more sense for him to take a discount
i wonder if bron knew it would require 120mil when he campaigned for bol

  

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20. "RE: i don't get why he's going for the absolute max"
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>i mean do i get it, it's more money
>but makes more sense for him to take a discount

Makes sense for who? lol

>i wonder if bron knew it would require 120mil when he
>campaigned for bol

Its funny because Bron left Cleveland the first time because he couldn't win with the dudes he had campaigned for them to sign, lol

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162. "yeah, probably, i mean he and irving getting the max makes sense"
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imo it's tough to take a discount on your first max deal, whether it's this one or somewhere later in your career (especially if it's somewhere later, when you have been playing for way less possibly).

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16. "He wants that long term guaranteed money now, that PG injury got... "
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mf's shook. Plus Love's banged up all the time anyway because of the way he plays, who knows what shape he'll be in 2 years from now?

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32. "He white"
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He good.

Those two factors alone guarantee him max money regardless. Probably gives him a 20% bump too. Why give up that leverage right off the break?


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98. "He bangs his body around for rebounds and gets hurt a lot."
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14. "I can only wish for the best."
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who's starting at 2 guard if Dion is coming off the bench? Jones?

my only agenda going forward is that this is Kyrie's team. I always wanted him in Cleveland post-LeBron, he was quick to resign, he soldiered on through all the bullshit. he can leave in 2018 or whenever it is, and be recognized as the Point God when he's gone.

IMO he is a major (if not -the- factor) LeBron came back (the rest worked out for political/PR/agenda reasons) so I'm looking through that lens. the message with this trade is everyone after Dion Waiters doesn't count.

I can only hope LeBron can get some of these dudes right (and by these dudes, I mean Dion... because while I like him as a baller in general, I don't think he works in conjunction with Kyrie. he would be ill in relief of though)

also I can also hope that Tristan will be no longer miscast and resume his bamma janitor role, instead of trying to make him the kind of player I believe Anthony Bennett is, and Kevin Love is in the extreme.

as a Cavs fan in 2014, LeBron and Love = Dave Stewart, Devon White, Dave Winfield, Mookie Wilson, Rickey Henderson et al. high tier dudes on other teams that some how, someway the Jays managed to score and win titles with.

Cavs ain't winning a title in 2014-15. 2015 forward it's title or bust mode. if the FO don't get that other center they can eat the poo poo.

god speed, Wiggins and Bennett.

  

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26. "Just stop Doc"
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>
>my only agenda going forward is that this is Kyrie's team.

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42. "lol, if you think I'm going to follow the crowd"
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you must be looking to have your part on OKS: The Movie played by Clarence Williams III.

things have changed in Cavalier land, but I will admit that I'm not changing that tune completely unless I see one title. and I'll be as petty and stubborn as the most fierce of haters. especially with this latest development. however if a title happens, he gets unconditional praise.

I'm going with the dude they drafted after Armageddon, and hung in there through all the BS.

I also believe that if the Cavs were Derrick Williams and a bunch of other Chris Grant Specials, this offseason would be less interesting and we'd be all back to hating Miami again.

  

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48. "Why are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
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>you must be looking to have your part on OKS: The Movie
>played by Clarence Williams III.

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71. "Doc, any team Bron is on is Bron's team. "
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72. "yeah, I'm ignoring that."
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deal with it.

unless it can be believed beyond a reasonable doubt that LeBron retires a Cavalier, it will eventually be Kyrie's team whenever the LeBron Return Experiment reaches its natural conclusion regardless.

that bullshit that was put up in that letter to make us all feel good about him going back? ehhhhhhh... I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm just speaking as I see it as a fan who's watched the team for the last few years. I don't care what conventional wisdom is. let everyone else watch it with their agendas. Kyrie's the future. LeBron is (until proven otherwise) a nostalgic steward.

  

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99. "Grade A Cuban B. I can respect that"
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127. "C'mon, that's just silly. It's not a slight to Kyrie. "
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But Bron is the story.

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139. "he is, I just don't care about it beyond schadenfreude for the detractor..."
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this is just adding more fuel to the fire IMO.

after all the moves pre-Bron this offseason I would have been good if they signed Ed Davis to a garbageman contract.

this shit just is like Rick Ross finding out that it's $.25 wing night.

  

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189. "by this logic, it was WADE'S TEAM all along"
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>my only agenda going forward is that this is Kyrie's team.

>IMO he is a major (if not -the- factor) LeBron came back

  

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268. "well, it's Wade's Team now. LOL"
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I'll reframe it for those of you who are mad:

the only reason I'm happy with everything that's happened since last month is because Kyrie benefits. he's the one positive symbol of the Dark Ages in Cavalier fandom. next to Rondo, he's my favorite player in the league.

I'm still not a LeBron James fan. I don't blame him for leaving to win titles, dudes leave Cleveland (and other) teams for that all the time. he went out like a total sucker. repeated that performance in 2011, which too many in his cult try to deny. some people even go so far to make him better than Jordan that they make me, a Jordan-hater, defend him. and I really resent that people put all the LeBron Hate on Cleveland fans for two reasons:

1. there were still heavy pockets of the Cult in Cleveland
2. ain't NO way that much of the country cares about the Cavs that much to join with them in the chorus of hate

admittedly, he's earned a few points back toward my personal good graces, because he's made a lot of people here who don't feel the same way I do happy. a title will put him all the way back there.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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298. "Doc, you know I love you"
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but who has ever denied that Bron sucked in the 2011 finals? literally no one says he played well, and his suckiness in the finals was the ONLY thing discussed for an entire year. then he won one and people didn't talk about it as much... cause that's what happens with ANY athlete. And two rings deads the choking convo forever. The only people it came back for was A-Rod and Peyton. They got passes for a while, but if they had a 2nd ring they'd get passes for life.

  

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302. "ok, go find O_E's post about that series."
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there were at least 10 people who tried to play the "it's old, let's move on" card. and at least 10 more that were mad at him for making it, calling him all kinds of "hater", etc.

the people who pretend 2011 didn't happen, or think it matters less in the big (unrealistic) picture (that they themselves crafted for him, mind you) don't get to say "passes for life" after they hint about rank him above Michael Jordan (and there were people trying to do that, too).

I'm of the mind that LeBron is without certification or ranking, an all-time great, who likely won't have the ridiculous resume that Michael Jordan has. That's fine, because it can be explained, simply by he hasn't played on the best teams available. he's done a lot to control that variable over the last 4-5 years, which is something you can't say of Jordan. his story will be a different one.

if you're going to put him up with the big dogs, you have to look at everything. and a lot of the big dogs don't have a series where something like -that- happens. that's all I've ever said.

I think O_E hit the nail on the head when he said he had zero problems with LeBron James the person, but a few issues with LeBron James the basketball player, who can somehow be overrated whilst still being the best player in basketball and one of the best in basketball history.

but if you point out those things, people go crazy. it's weird.

reminds me of Jay-Z, really.

  

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306. "calling it old isn't pretending it didn't happen"
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>I think O_E hit the nail on the head when he said he had zero
>problems with LeBron James the person, but a few issues with
>LeBron James the basketball player, who can somehow be
>overrated whilst still being the best player in basketball
>and one of the best in basketball history.
>

nah, OE just wants to harp on that series like people forget it when literally EVERYONE remembers it.

  

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17. "Western Conference PFs must be sad to see Minny's turnstile head East"
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who you gonna go for 40 on now that Kevin Love's headed to the East? I guess David Lee is still out there...

Ibaka, Duncan, Aldridge, Blake, Dirk et. al. can go back to playing the grown man's game with real stakes, while Love sleepwalks and stat pads with LBJ.

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101. "Love about to have stats AND rings over your boy. You very mad"
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206. "I'm not convinced Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh"
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so I don't know why I should be convinced Kevin Love is going to win a ring in Cleveland.

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18. "Happy for CLE, bring it on assholes "
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Bulls will be back to 2010 form this year, will that be enough? Can't say.

Will be a fierce rivalry though

  

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24. "I can't wait. "
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I expect most of the Bulls Cavs games after January will be on national TV.

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21. "*returning this Fall*"
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34. "nah, Luke, Sofia home NOW...ROCK N' ROLL OPRAH!!!"
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23. "Rather my Sixers face Lebron Love in 2-3 years then Lebron Wiggins..."
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my biggest fear was a Wiggins/Bron combo when we're set to be good in our conference.

I'm happy... I'm good. Long run Minnesota WON. They're set with a nice foundation especially if Bennett pans out.

  

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25. "so will those Wiggins rookie cards in a Cavs uni be collector's items?"
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31. "Love better than Randle + Booz + Hill + Sacre (lol) combined"
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lakers frontline is shit
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28. "Bad move for the Cavs IMO"
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They still need interior help, which they could have gotten in 2015. This MIGHT put them over the hump in the East, but not in the league. I guess LBJ going for not two ... not three ... not four ... but maybe 5 L's in the finals?

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37. "solid hate, good work."
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>They still need interior help, which they could have gotten
>in 2015. This MIGHT put them over the hump in the East, but
>not in the league. I guess LBJ going for not two ... not
>three ... not four ... but maybe 5 L's in the finals?

  

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115. "Lol, hate? I WANT to see em do good"
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At least get 1 ring in Cleveland so the media can run its course and someone can write a book about it. Then they can amnesty one of LBJ's bff's once money gets tight, and basketball can go on w/ its life. I just don't think THIS is the way to go about it

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118. "pretty much"
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>At least get 1 ring in Cleveland so the media can run its
>course and someone can write a book about it. Then they can
>amnesty one of LBJ's bff's once money gets tight, and
>basketball can go on w/ its life. I just don't think THIS is
>the way to go about it

the more I look at it, they see Love as an "available superstar who isn't redundant with the strong points of the team" and made the trade.

the Cavs are just basically a skeleton team though. worse off than Miami was in 2010.

  

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180. "Exactly"
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His BPG is pretty low as well ... I'm gonna need to see more of that

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160. "I was legitimately complimenting you"
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because this was a good line: "I guess LBJ going for not two ... not three ... not four ... but maybe 5 L's in the finals?"

  

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163. "Lol, my bad bro"
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45. "agreed"
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>They still need interior help, which they could have gotten
>in 2015. This MIGHT put them over the hump in the East, but
>not in the league. I guess LBJ going for not two ... not
>three ... not four ... but maybe 5 L's in the finals?

major collapses in the West is the gamble.

  

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38. "No Excuses 2015!"
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39. "This is basically a downgraded Heat team"
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40. "Welcome Andrew Wiggins and (maybe) Anthony Bennett"
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You join Joe Smith and Michael Olowakandi as #1 overall picks to proudly wear the kind of lightish blue and not really any green anymore.

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50. "I'm on board."
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I love Wiggins and what he could have done for the team, but I think they'd be ECF locks with or without him, so it doesn't really matter, I suppose. Short-term, at least, this will be at absolute worst the most fun team to watch in recent years.

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57. "RE: I'm on board."
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>Short-term, at least, this will be
>at absolute worst the most fun team to watch in recent years.

More fun than the Heat when they were rolling?

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66. "Oh, unquestionably."
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Kyrie's ball handling and Love's court-length passes alone will make it more fun to watch. Their offense is going to play fast as shit.

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58. "What changed?"
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63. "Reality changed."
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I can't be mad when the team will still be incredibly good.

I think the team three years from now is better with Wiggins. If they don't win a title before then, I'll get mad again. Til then? I'll enjoy the show.

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"pretty much where I am with it."
Thu Aug-07-14 10:50 AM by Dr Claw

  

          

>I think the team three years from now is better with Wiggins.
>If they don't win a title before then, I'll get mad again. Til
>then? I'll enjoy the show.

especially I see no hints of Dieng in this deal. (guess you had to do that to avoid adding another player in there for salary purposes). but this trade is a foregone conclusion. the Wings of Canada are going to Prince City.

  

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74. "No one wants to be *that* fan-- the "If Only" Fan."
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Might as well get on board with it, see the very clear positives on the table, and believe in the best possible outcome.

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86. "yeah. I don't think people actually watched the Kyrie Cavs"
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>Might as well get on board with it, see the very clear
>positives on the table, and believe in the best possible
>outcome.

at least the Heat were a playoff team in 2009. this Cavs team was an absolute mess. and how little they have has been exposed in all these moves.

I think people look at it as "protecting Kyrie", but that dude isn't a "savior" class player (only a few are: LeBron James is one of them). and only fools were expecting it. he was way better than expected, esp. in that first season. with a purpose beyond tanking he will improve, but he has his problems that are well documented: health and defense.

he turns it on when there's competition (see him against teams like the Blazers or Raptors where there's a "peer" guard he's up against). but that team... with Mike Brown coaching? dogg.

this is a confirmed Blatt-ready team with no "ramp ups" needed. I'd feel better if they got a center.

if Love played better defense I'd be 100% aboard instead of like 75%. but he's the perfect player for the kind of game I think they're going to play under Blatt. It's gonna be nice to see LeBron, Kyrie, and Love in a ball motion offense.

I just feel like they're gonna get EXPOSED. I guess it's better to have that fear rather than to have the "goddamn it, stop with the fuckin' hesitation and SHOOT" fears.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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119. "If they get a goon who can goon it up for 15 minutes per game?"
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I'd be more excited.

Bring in old-ass Nazr Mohammed. He can still defend for 15 mpg.

Or offer Orlando Tristan and a pick for Kyle O'Quinn. I love that dude.

Just go goon-hunting. All these shooters, cool. I get it. It's worked. But show me a goon.

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141. "Pretty much."
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I'll feel better when that is addressed.

I'm already expecting games north of 100 points multiple times this season

  

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64. "Hmmmm..."
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77. "must see tv. that offense will hum."
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>Short-term, at least, this will be
>at absolute worst the most fun team to watch in recent years.

definitely. the transition game alone will be worth the price of admission.

now as far as the defense, i doubt they have the rim protection to field a top 10 unit. that, combined with the rookie head coach and the fact that their young guys haven't played a single big game in their nba lives, makes me think the year one title talk is a bit much. but yeah, that offense should be a pleasure to watch.

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61. "As many props as Masai got for getting role players back from NY"
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for Melo, the media should be slurpin on Flip right now.

Superstar trades almost never get back fair value and this is one of those rare trades involving big names in which everyone wins.

Minny got a nice young squad right now.


Flip should win Exec of the Year but Griffin (LeBron) will win it.

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91. "yeah Flip played hardball and stood his ground, there was all this talk...."
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about the Cavs getting Lebron and keeping Wiggins but he wasn't having it.

When things with the Warriors fizzled out Flip started talking to the Bulls and forced Cleveland's hand.

He's definitely a better GM than coach.

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97. "I haven't been impressed with either of his drafts so far"
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Dieng was good, but I'm not getting his fascination with UCLA guys that don't have a position in the NBA.

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92. "Well, all we have are question marks so far"
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AB is coming off a horrible rookie season, Wiggins has yet to suit up in an NBA game and the pick is an unknown.

Flip's put the team in a pretty good position (kind of,) but save the awards for when we know what these players are going to do.

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110. "They are in a great position given the circumstances"
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They got a potential superstar in Wiggins to pair with LaVine, AB, Dieng, Pek and an additional 1st rounder (albeit late) to build around.

That's a nice young core, better than most rebuilding teams, at least on paper. Things could be way worse considering most teams that lose their superstar usually are left with a lot less to work with.

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105. "Eh, Flip simply backed into this one."
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He played it well, but if Love wasn't interested in Cleveland this shit never sniffs reality.


In which case, he's looking at the Bulls meh package, hoping GS give up Klay, or just keeping Love and praying for a miracle.


This is like 98% Love/Bron, and 2% Flip not totally fucking up an easy thing.

  

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62. "*bathing in desperate manufactured narratives and agenda reprisal fear*"
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102. "If Russy, Love, Jordan, Kyle and LaVine didn't...nothing will."
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It's his grudge to carry.

I don't have any problem with Warren. That's my dogg. I always give him props. 've told him he's the best OKP fantasy commish I've ever dealt with and he's a stand up dude.

I just think his jeans are stupid.

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70. "So Uncle Drew, Wes, Lebron's Old Man Character and Maya Moore"
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GOAT commercial

  

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Frank Longo
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76. "Undeniably."
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81. "And what does this mean for Tristan? "
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They gonna pay him cuz he has Bron's agent to sit the bench?

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dula dibiasi
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84. "that extension's gonna hurt them."
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i understand it's the price of doing business these days, but that's money better spent in other areas.

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85. "Who cares? Neither Dion nor Tristan will be a Cav in two years"
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they can't pay them.

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TheRealBillyOcean
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114. "So they're gonna pay him more than he's worth & hope somebody..."
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trades for him?

Lol

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Basaglia
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120. "lemme try this again..."
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who cares?

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Frank Longo
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123. "They aren't going to pay him, period."
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The "same agent" angle is a cyse. Tristan ain't getting paid unless by some miracle he can defend and hit a jumper this year.

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83. "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs3ebq9CYAA_LN4.jpg"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs3ebq9CYAA_LN4.jpg

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87. "The real winner here: NBA2K15 players."
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lol

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Kungset
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88. "Love is gonna have a highlight reel of just outlets this season"
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89. "4 predictions for next season"
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Love first team all nba
Kyrie third team all nba, minimum
60+ wins and home court throughout
Lose 4-2 to the Thunder in the Finals

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LeroyBumpkin
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94. "Why didn't the Cavs wait & sign Love next summer? "
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And then ultimately keep Wiggins?
The rookie gets a year under LeBron.
The team gets a year with Blatt.
A lot less pressure. Love comes in in 2015.

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Ryan M
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103. "No money. "
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Gotta have Love on your team to re-sign him and go over the cap.

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Dr Claw
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106. "I don't believe they could afford him"
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>And then ultimately keep Wiggins?
>The rookie gets a year under LeBron.
>The team gets a year with Blatt.
>A lot less pressure. Love comes in in 2015.

without another fire sale.

  

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dula dibiasi
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107. "with what? there's a salary cap, dude."
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LeroyBumpkin
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172. "I wasn't clear on their cap situation. "
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Outside of Kyrie and James, I thought they had the money to sign him but did the trade to keep him from other teams (and to appease James). Kinda like Carmelo and the Knicks a while back.

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dula dibiasi
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174. "the league's projecting a cap of about $68M for next yr"
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lebron, kyrie, thompson, waiters, bennett and wiggins would have put them @ ~60M for those 6 alone.

and minny prolly would've already moved him to golden state or chicago anyway.

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164. "lol, what? with what money? and minnie wasnt gonna find a taker?"
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the t wolves werent going to lose love for nothing. if this wasn't the deal, then golden state or some other team would have given them something similar. there was no way they would let love hit the UFA market. even if they did, cleveland would not have had the cap space to sign him outright

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Ryan M
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95. "So it's okay when YOU construct a super team?"
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Fuck Dan Gilbert. Fuck him.

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100. "Blue collar lunch pail attitude"
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southphillyman
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104. "Gilbert is smartly playing the background on all of this"
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now that i think about it it's not like Arison was all in the headlines either
so maybe it's not that notable
making it about him is probably just some jerry buss shit

  

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108. "right, lol..."
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>Fuck Dan Gilbert. Fuck him.

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Frank Longo
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112. "DAT CLOAK "
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(Stole this from Shells' Twitter, he get credit.)

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Dr Claw
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113. "the irony of this is not lost on me"
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however I'd give LeBron 99.9% more credit (and blame) over Gilbert for this

Dan Gilbert is happy to recoup on the money he wasted on Mike Brown, that's about it

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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165. "signed a guy as an FA, traded two No. 1 overalls"
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I mean do you really think what New Orleans was getting for Paul was on par with the return that Minnesota is getting here? I mean honestly I think this is a better deal for Minnesota than what they ultimately got for Paul, let alone the table scraps they were getting from the Lakers.

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Ryan M
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209. "No, probably not. With that said..."
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We haven't seen Wiggins play an NBA minute, and Bennett was garbage last year. Still, fuck Dan Gilbert for intervening in the building of a super team and then turning around and building one himself.

Also, for all the other stuff he's done as a terrible fucking owner.

Yes I'm mad.

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kevlar skully
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218. "you seem too angry to think straight but this is completely different "
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Dan was smart enough to spend money & let Chris Grant do a full rebuild which netted the overall pick that became Kyrie Irving. Dan might still be paying Baron Davis for all I know


Chris Paul forcing himself to the Lakers would have been bad for the entire NBA, regardless of how much you dislike Gilbert, anyone could see that


Drafting Kyrie, signing LeBron & trading two consecutive overall picks for Love is significantly different than Chris Paul being traded to the Lakers for Lamar fucking Odom

  

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329. "oh no doubt he is a scumbag and i root for him to fail"
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but no impropriety took place with this deal

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169. "Yeah, fuck Gilbert in the eye socket"
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117. "So they are basically a younger Miami: couple superstars,no depth"
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We all saw how that worked out last year

  

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121. "FEELINGS!"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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126. "If Rosey is good this year me and you will be at war fam"
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and i'm actually happy about that shit, welcome back

  

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176. "nothing more than FEELINGS!!"
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122. "minus the 2 established players that got their teams to the playoffs..."
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prior to joining Miami.

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130. "right, lol"
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133. "plus a miniscus, elite FT shooting in close games, outside shooting"
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keep building your narratives tho.

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137. "yea this shit is win win for bron really"
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if they win a title it's no argument that bron won with support players that never done shit individually without him
if they never win a title then it's the support players who never won shit fault since bron set a precedent of being able to win with proper help

  

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ThaTruth
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142. "good point, lol"
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>if they win a title it's no argument that bron won with
>support players that never done shit individually without him
>if they never win a title then it's the support players who
>never won shit fault since bron set a precedence of being able
>to win with proper help

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Dr Claw
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156. "lol... no, it's not gonna work like that. "
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>if they never win a title then it's the support players who
>never won shit fault since bron set a precedent of being able
>to win with proper help

ESPN might pull that BS, but since whatever team LeBron is on is "LeBron's Team" (quoted above), he's gonna take that L regardless if he is the one who chokes or not.

people weren't partying on Wade and Bosh during those Finals Ls, dogg
even I don't blame LeBron for the Heat's latest loss, but... you know, LOL

  

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158. "Basically. Bron out there look like he doing charity work. "
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Trying to help out the city of Cleveland. Trying to help them dudes win.

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171. "Regardless of who's on the squad"
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If they make it to the Finals and lose again, winning 1/3 of the Finals you've been in is NOT a good look.

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178. "MMMM HMMMMM, and y'all gotta live with it cuz it's true"
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>if they win a title it's no argument that bron won with
>support players that never done shit individually without him
>if they never win a title then it's the support players who
>never won shit fault since bron set a precedent of being able
>to win with proper help

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191. "lol"
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southphillyman
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132. "btw this thread is a testament to how much Bron moves the needle"
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the OP is basically about something we already know and has already been posted about (twice)
and yet this thread is STILL probably going get 200 replies minimum

  

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Basaglia
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136. "nope, it's about the Love deal becoming OFFICIAL AKA Woj said so"
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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138. "clearly its the biggest story in the upcoming NBA season and will be..."
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all year

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145. "I wouldn't give him the credit as much as the agendanites"
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and it's not all Bron-related

  

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146. "True. Also, the NBA season ended almost 2 months ago."
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And we're still talking about it. Thats kinda crazy. Been an insane offseason.

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148. "How disappointed you think Wiggins is right now? Lol"
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Poor bastard went from preparing for a deep postseason run his first year to fading into Bolivia on the TWolves.

  

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150. "It would be funny if Minnesota made the playoffs this year"
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151. "Sheeeit, he's taking notes from Kevin Love right now."
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Become a young superstar on a team with no expectations, bolt the first chance you get.

He'll be fine.

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152. "BUT BUT BUT..wait .Kevin Love was born in Santa Monica (c)......"
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154. "Bron >>> Dat Cloak"
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170. "gotta be..bcz Santa Monica >>> the whole state of Ohio.....lolz"
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173. "Fact."
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155. "Daamn Wiggins is getting John Snowed"
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I wonder what trajectory this will send his career on as he cant possibly stay in minnesota.

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194. "YOU KNOW NOTHING, AN-DREW"
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175. "6 in play, y'all"
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i only give it about a 20 percent chance, but it's in play.

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177. "6 what?! lol"
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179. "6...what do the kinds say? ah, yes...6 THANGS"
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181. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1YmiT8qKg"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1YmiT8qKg

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182. "i did not "is definite' or even "is probable""
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if you're looking for an "at least" statement, i will confidently predict that lebron james will retire with a minimum of 4 rings. 5 is about 50/50. 6 is 20 percent.

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185. "what if he doesn't get to 4? what if he doesn't get to 3?"
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183. "i wouldn't even put it that high."
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>i only give it about a 20 percent chance, but it's in play.

more like 5%. no god body-o.

and the last couple would be Best Supporting Actor status anyway. pippenomics is a zero sum game, my dude ( money man)

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184. "all of chicago so scared. THIS IS GREAT"
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186. "you sound silly. but party on, garth."
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187. "He's gonna win 4 more? Yeesh. Yeah....I dunno. He's 30, man. "
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195. "well jordan won his 3rd at 30"
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Bron has a LOT more miles with his early start and # of deep playoff runs, but he's also built like no athlete we've seen before so it's extremely difficult to predict when his prime will fall off.

  

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210. "We need to stop doing this."
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The comparisons to Jordan for every player is simply unfair. Lebron is an ungodly athlete, and chances are he'll play elite ball well into his 30s, but the mileage on Lebron is unlike Jordan -

When Jordan won his 3rd, he was 30 with 661 regular season games, 111 playoff games, 3 finals runs, and 1 Olympic run to the gold medal game.

Lebron enters this year with 842 regular season games, 158 playoff games, 5 finals runs, 3 Olympic runs (2 to the last possible game). He's played more basketball right today than anyone.

That's over 2 seasons more games that Lebron has played, and another half season in playoffs. Plus Jordan got a year and a half off of basketball.

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211. "i said all of this in one sentence."
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>The comparisons to Jordan for every player is simply unfair.
>Lebron is an ungodly athlete, and chances are he'll play elite
>ball well into his 30s, but the mileage on Lebron is unlike
>Jordan -
>
>When Jordan won his 3rd, he was 30 with 661 regular season
>games, 111 playoff games, 3 finals runs, and 1 Olympic run to
>the gold medal game.
>
>Lebron enters this year with 842 regular season games, 158
>playoff games, 5 finals runs, 3 Olympic runs (2 to the last
>possible game). He's played more basketball right today than
>anyone.
>
>That's over 2 seasons more games that Lebron has played, and
>another half season in playoffs. Plus Jordan got a year and a
>half off of basketball.
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248. "I know. It's not directed at you, so much...I just hear it a lot."
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Not just with Lebron, but with others too. It's unfair. Shells saying 6 is in play is like...cmon dude. Let him get to 4 first.

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253. "he did say 20% chance"
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plus he's just trolling these posts.

  

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202. "ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play"
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6 titles?

meaning 4 in Cleveland (provided that he isn't eating the poo poo with The Letter)?

I think he retires with 4. which is respectable.

6?!! hell no.

he gets 6 I'm crowning him GOAT.

  

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226. "RE: ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play"
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>6 titles?
>
>meaning 4 in Cleveland (provided that he isn't eating the poo
>poo with The Letter)?
>
>I think he retires with 4. which is respectable.
>
>6?!! hell no.
>
>he gets 6 I'm crowning him GOAT.


Fuck the Cavs....(but u know we cool Doc...lol)

But yeah...the truth is James only has to win one ring in Cleveland...1 ring in Cleveland is worth 4 rings....This is a city that hasn't seen any rings from any of the pro sports since Jim Brown was running that pigskin...

As much as the James haters will balk at this shit, it's the truth...That said...

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254. "RE: ok, I see... this is the Basa School of No Hedging in play"
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>But yeah...the truth is James only has to win one ring in
>Cleveland...1 ring in Cleveland is worth 4 rings....This is a
>city that hasn't seen any rings from any of the pro sports
>since Jim Brown was running that pigskin...
>
>As much as the James haters will balk at this shit, it's the
>truth...That said...

true. but Shells is talking 6 total titles? you know what that's about, right?

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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203. "dawg, he barely won 2 with a stacked deck..."
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do they make anti-aging bath salts?

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208. "lol"
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224. "lol "
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378. "RE: 6 in play, y'all"
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190. "The Cavs?:"
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PG - Kyrie/John Lucas III/Barea (maybe?)
SG - Ray?/Dion/Miller
SF - Bron/Marion?/Jones
PF - Love/Tristan
C - Andy/Haywood

Roster eval:
-Thin at PG and C. Andy or Kyrie gets hurt and things could get slippery.
-2nd string is iffy but has potential.
-Decent rebounding team (likely top 10)
-Great 3pt shooting team with 2 catalyst (maybe 3 off loves low post)
-Great transition ability that would likely end in Bron dunks or open 3's
-Lower to middle of the pack defensively. Won't block many shots. Team defensive will need to improve leaps and bounds. Love and Kyrie will have to improve for them to actually have a shot against a good offensive team. Ray can't get torched nightly. Marion is a key here. His presence makes them a lot better as he can guard 2's through 4's.
-Half court O will be a work in progress but once they get it down, teams will have to decide to stay with the 3's and force Kyrie/Bron to be penetration scorers to have any shot at slowing them.
-Injury concerns: Love, Kyrie, Andy, Haywood and Miller
-Cap: next year - Bron (21mil), Kyrie (19mil), Love (21mil) smh.

If I had to guess. This team will win about 55-57 games, finish as the #2 seed in the east and face struggles in the playoffs. Most of which their talent/offense will help them overcome but they will have major issues as the teams get better. ECF or Finals.

Not sure how they build after this year.

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196. "is Barea in the deal?"
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204. "Rumored. Anyone I put a ? next to is rumored to be going there."
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223. "lol @ Barea coming to the Cavs...."
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this isn't a LOL @ "oh, yeah, they're not including Barea"

I think it's funny because of 2011

  

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192. "$61 MILL FOR THREE PLAYERS?!!!!! / FUCK THIS TRADE"
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KLove is making $120 mill over five years
Bron making $22 mill for two years
Kyrie making $18 mill for five years

That's $61 mill for three players. Every non-Cavs fan cosigning this will be the same people talking about the Cavs inability to surround Bron with help.

Once again KLove ain't worth $24 Mill a year. Fuck this super team bullshit. If the salary cap averages $68 Mill a year then this is a horrible trade. I need an official statement from Dan Gilbert or Lebron.

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193. "the superteam worked out terribly in miami"
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and everyone who knows the cap is sure that it will jump up significantly after next season and even more after the new CBA

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197. "Actually, there are conflicting reports about that...."
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The owners don't want a significant salary cap increase. $68 mill is the projected salary cap for next season.

Let these comments sink in with regards to the projected value of those three players.

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200. "yeah, dude, it's on them"
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whatever the cap is, it's on these three guys to carry the weight.

but there are a lot of "buts" here

1) the cap is going up post new TV deal. the players aren't budging off the 50/50 revenue split.

2) as a result, there will be some wiggle room. Not a ton--the Cavs will probably end up over the cap every year--but enough that they work creatively to add a useful piece here or there.

3) biggest problem number in miami was that wade and, to a much lesser extent, bosh started getting old. love 26 and kyrie 23. Not a problem for the remainder of Bron's prime.

4) second biggest problem was that the heat dumped all their picks. we can clown picks in the late 20s all we want, but they produce cheap, live young bodies. if the cavs can find more than one norris cole, that makes a huge difference.

5) Ultimately, with the ages and numbers both kyrie and love have and will put up, they are far from untradeable. I guarantee you hinke would send you thad young, mcw, and picks for kyrie right now. if it doesn't work, cleveland has outs.

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212. "RE: yeah, dude, it's on them"
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>3) biggest problem number in miami was that wade and, to a
>much lesser extent, bosh started getting old. love 26 and
>kyrie 23. Not a problem for the remainder of Bron's prime.


over the past few seasons who has missed more games?

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198. "that money getting gobbled up by tristan dion and MLEs"
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this team doesn't need money though, super teams don't get bench depth plea cops
the potential of dion alone shits on any bench resource the heat had anyway
this core gotta get shit done

  

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249. "1) They will pay lux tax to do it 2) Cap is going up 3) Follow the patte..."
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Lakers won it twice with two max guys ($50M!) and another very well paid guy (Bynum). Boston won it all, went to Game 7 of the Finals and then Game 7 of the ECF with their three big-ticket players. We all know what Miami has done in recent years, and look at the teams they faced. Even Dallas had a high payroll, even if it wasn't quite sunk into a big three. It's no Billy Beane type muthafuckas winning shit in the NBA. You don't win with limited payrolls and no-name players. There's only one San Antonio, just like for years there was only one New Jersey Devils. The franchises that get guys to buy in and make sacrifices. You can't expect that, and much less from younger guys like Irving and Love.

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205. "this nygga in here saying its Kyries Team"
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iv been ignoring dude since his return (shyt is comical btw. both him and basa)

but this shyt...

Kyries team..

they're prolly goin to have to put him on that DWade program just to get him through the season healthy


willing to bet that waiters and lebron develop a better chemistry than bron and kyrie




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219. "shut your monkey ass up, Toine"
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207. "should be a poll, but fuck it -- Kevin Love v. Chris Bosh, who's better?"
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because personally, I'd be more excited about Chris Bosh on my team.

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213. "On the offensive end, Love laps Bosh handily."
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Not even a slight to Bosh, Love is just that good offensively.

It all depends on whether you think Bosh's defense is THAT much better than Love's to justify putting him ahead right today. And I don't think it is.

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215. "No he don't. "
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217. "Bosh's last season in TOR, 25-yo: 24.0 ppg, .518 FG%"
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Bosh scored his 24 points on 16.5 FGA/gm

Kevin Love last year, 25-yo: 26.1 ppg, .457 FG%, takes him 18.5 FGA/gm to score two more points than Bosh. Love averaged 4.4 apg in '14, career-high last year, but before that Love's 2.5 asts/gm were pretty much exactly even with Bosh's assist numbers in Toronto. Personally, I don't think plain assist #s tell you all that much, but for the sake of comparison Love only jumps out in that category one year.

So why exactly is Love such a superior offensive player again? I'm seeing similar numbers, on higher usage, with what my eyeball test tells me is a pretty similar game (jump-shooting big). I'm willing to cede Love is better for a team offense, but I'm not sure it's as big of a gap as you seem to suggest.

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288. "You didn't ask who was better at age 25."
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Right today, Love is easily better on offense than Bosh.

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225. "people just don't get it, when Miami was really rolling and winning 25....."
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games in a row they were primarily successful because there were playing on a high level defensively and their defense was a catalyst for their offensive transition game.

I don't see this Cavs team playing like that so are they just going to try to outscore people like D'Antoni's Phoenix squads?

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229. "lol, so should they be the favorites or not?"
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>I don't see this Cavs team playing like that so are they just
>going to try to outscore people like D'Antoni's Phoenix
>squads?

dude, you're all over the place.

  

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235. "Favorites for the ESPN set? Yes. Favorites for the sharps? hmmmm..."
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Because all I hear, when consuming most basketball commentary, is that Kevin Love is a top 10 player in this league right now, so you take the best player in the league (still Bron, even if KD was MVP last year), a top 10 front court player, and one of the best young guards in the league, that should be title favorites, yes?

The point where sharps would disagree is the popular notions around Kevin Love, possibly Kyrie, too...

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260. "you considering yourself a sharp and hating on kevin love=priceless"
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276. "lazy term, trying to fit the headline, I don't think I'm a "sharp""
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but I have heard reporters allude to a lack of consensus in NBA front offices on how good Kevin Love really is.

I don't know why people are so in love with him. Look it up, I just did -- his offensive numbers are actually probably worse than Bosh's in Toronto at the same age, even in the advanced ones (Bosh's shot inside the 3pt-line > Love's shot inside the 3-pt line, only the 3FG and efficiency really separates what they did as 25-yos on offense). Which doesn't even mean all that much, since I think Bosh's real value is on defense (as does Morey, who just helped Bosh get a MAX deal).

If you can point me to some numbers that overwhelmingly show Love's value, I'd be happy to see it. I'm aware there's a big lineup discrepancy in Minnesota with Love and without Love, but that doesn't necessarily tell me Love is ready to win chips...

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292. "i'm talking reality, that's why we're not on ESPN.com"
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like i said in the other post, that simple math shit is cute, but it doesn't acknowledge the realities of the situation, particularly of a new team.

2010 Heat: Best player + top 2 SG + top 2 PF = Trophy
2008 Lakers: Best SG + top 3 PF + top 2 Center + GOAT coach = Trophy
2004 Lakers: Best SG + Best Center + GOAT PF + The Glove + GOAT coach = Trophy

I'm not making any of these up. People said these things in the preseason (or after the trade in Pau's case) and they all lost. In 2 cases, the team won the next year and the one that didn't was blown up in the offseason.

  

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237. "on paper yes, in reality no, that's why the trade doesn't make sense..."
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to me, if Love puts you over the top, do it, if he doesn't, what's the point?

Wiggins might have been a better option in the short and long run.

People are so enamored with Love, he has zero excuses now.

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273. "lol, so this entire time you've been talking about the team on paper"
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and people keep saying "well the reality is it's gonna be hard in the first year and then they need to win in the 2nd year." and you won't hear any of it... yet YOU'RE allowed to say basically the same thing?

>Wiggins might have been a better option in the short and long
>run.

i don't see how one could argue wiggins is the better option in the short term when he's yet to play ONE game. if they're trying to win in the first 2-3 years this trade absolutely puts them in a better position than they were before.

>People are so enamored with Love, he has zero excuses now.

A) but you aren't, yet you won't just acknowledge them as not the favorites and move on. you just won't rest until you've forced this narrative on everyone.

B) I think you're severely overestimating the Love love (pun intended) on this board. some people hate him, some simply like him/think he's the best or one of the best PFs in the game/puts bron in a better position. this trade has been talked about for a while and not many people have been saying this move guarantees them a title, just puts them closer than they were and makes them one of the top contenders.

  

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308. "I think they will be the same this year as they are next year, Love is....."
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who he is. I don't see them being significantly better after the 1st year. With those 3 salaries on the books their not going to have room to make significant improvements.

I think the potential is better with Wiggins because with him on a rookie salary there's a lot more financial flexibility to add more pieces.

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332. "why not?"
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>I don't see them being significantly better after
>the 1st year.

next summer they'll have the full MLE, the BAE and 2 first round picks. irving, thompson and waiters haven't entered their primes yet. their head coach is a rookie. their young guys have zero playoff experience. they still need to add a rim protecting center.

the idea that they're a fully formed, they-are-what-they-are team with no room for improvement doesn't make any sense whatsoever. chemistry matters. continuity matters. big-game chops matters. these are things that can only be acquired thru actual experience and playing together.

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336. "^^^^^^^"
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>next summer they'll have the full MLE, the BAE and 2 first
>round picks. irving, thompson and waiters haven't entered
>their primes yet. their head coach is a rookie. their young
>guys have zero playoff experience. they still need to add a
>rim protecting center.
>
>the idea that they're a fully formed, they-are-what-they-are
>team with no room for improvement doesn't make any sense
>whatsoever. chemistry matters. continuity matters. big-game
>chops matters. these are things that can only be acquired thru
>actual experience and playing together.

  

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353. "RE: lol, so this entire time you've been talking about the team on paper"
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>B) I think you're severely overestimating the Love love (pun
>intended) on this board. some people hate him, some simply
>like him/think he's the best or one of the best PFs in the
>game/puts bron in a better position. this trade has been
>talked about for a while and not many people have been saying
>this move guarantees them a title, just puts them closer than
>they were and makes them one of the top contenders.


To me...this is the truest shit u wrote in this post...

Nobody is waving pom poms for a guy that has never been to the playoffs...Even people that think Love going to the Cavs is the logical move critique his softness on defense...They critique the fact that at times he was an asshole to his teammates...

But the homie Truth has managed to even make me come out in support of this move...lol...And I'm no Love booster by any stretch of the imagination...

I think people are just using that simple common sense. If you put a PF who can shoot the 3 pretty well and rebound VERY well with THE BEST slashing, playmaking basketball player on the planet, it seems like a good fit NOW rather then waiting to see if Wiggins will be a "good" player or a franchise player...

If Wiggins becomes a phenom, bully for him. But James right now (and I hate saying this shit as a Bulls fan) moves the NBA needle;...Love and Kyrie will be there for very heavy support...But most folks believe that James will be the main reason why Love and Kyrie will flourish in their roles. He simply makes the game easier for teammates....

That said...Fuck Bron and that team...

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231. "that's it -- this Cavs roster looks deadly in transition, flat otherwise"
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then you consider the murderer's row hanging out West, where even dudes like Dirk can just decide to fuck around and burn the flamingo fadeaway permanently into KD's dreams en route to blowing up Bron's ex-Heat, and I just don't see how a long-term core of Bron Love Kyrie is going to make a team like San Antonio more worried about them than say OKC, or even Memphis, or LAC, or whoever.

And yeah, you couldn't be more right -- the Heat won with defense. This Cavs team is decidedly NOT recreating that model right now.

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259. "transition starts on the defense end, I don't see this team having the....."
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horses to run like D'Antoni's SSOL squads. On the early SSOL you have 4 All-Star caliber players in Nash, Amare, Marion, and JJ plus a deep supporting cast of people like Q-Rich, Barbosa and Jim Jackson. Later renditions were still built around younger guys that could run with Nash.

The supporting cast in Cleveland is going to built around older guys Marion, Ray, Miller and Varejao and I don't see them running like that.

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262. "RE: that's it -- this Cavs roster looks deadly in transition, flat other..."
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234. "at least to start"
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>I don't see this Cavs team playing like that so are they just
>going to try to outscore people like D'Antoni's Phoenix
>squads?

this team (after a Love trade) is essentially a super Postrophe team. it's why Longo and I are worried. they're good enough to win games, not sure about titles (until I see it).

  

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293. "Right, defense is an obvious question."
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I don't think anyone thinks that isn't the case.

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216. "It will be interesting to see if Lebron and Blatt can get Love and Kyrie..."
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playing defense at a high level.

What happens when Lebron gets frustrated at Love getting beat in the paint repeatedly?

What happens when Lebron screams on Kyrie like he did with Chalmers?

For the most part Wade and Bosh were viewed as peers so there was a level of respect there.

With the clock ticking and his legacy on the line will Lebron be as patient with his new teammates that have never been in playoff game befoer?

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227. "uh nothing. bron ain't that dickhead type teammate like CP3 or kobe"
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>What happens when Lebron gets frustrated at Love getting beat
>in the paint repeatedly?
>
>What happens when Lebron screams on Kyrie like he did with
>Chalmers?

neither one of these are happening unless that shit is straight up a disaster (ie:about to miss the playoffs/locker room brawls ala pacers)

that chalmer shit was like 2 times over the course of 4 yrs
and chalmers is a shit talker assertive type dude, don't really see kyrie (or love) challenging shit lebron says in a huddle

  

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230. "lmmfao, when did CP3 get that 'Kobe' upgrade?"
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232. "do you watch clippers games?"
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he is constantly mean mugging and berating teammates on the walk back to the bench
at least he has friends in the league , unlike bean
just saying i don't see lebron going in on teammates the way those dudes do sometimes

  

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241. "I don't see LeBron doing it either however"
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I honestly never paid that much attention to CP3's bench demeanor like that, lol. he's one of the players I hear the least about (of that particular tier, anyway).

  

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245. "yeah, rumor mill told me Blake + DJ kinda hated playing with CP3"
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and the Clippers were on the verge of some in-fighting nastiness until Doc arrived to help the ship keep floating along.

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263. "Kyrie is probably one of the cockiest young dudes in the league, at..."
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some point he and Lebron are definitely going to "have words"RIP radin, lol

>that chalmer shit was like 2 times over the course of 4 yrs
>and chalmers is a shit talker assertive type dude, don't
>really see kyrie (or love) challenging shit lebron says in a
>huddle

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265. "nigga got beat up in the locker room by dion. he ain't confronting bron"
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stop
hate on them all you want
but he and love are smart enough to know they have to fall in line. they both said as much already

  

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289. "Kyrie's been playing defense for Team USA."
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He defended in college too (admittedly, only a few games).

He has the capacity to defend. He's not a Steve Nash-esque lost cause.

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312. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

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220. "LOL @ Waiters coming off the bench "
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just stop

  

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222. "I don't think he starts with Miller and Jones on the team"
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at least not yet.

he's not Dwyane Wade yet.

  

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233. "What? He's the best SG on the team & earned the spot two years running "
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and those other dudes are over the hill one dimensional scrub vets(Miller is obviously a elite shooter)


no-one on the team is beating Waiters out of his starting spot, flat out


this kid will finally get his proper due this season with all the national games we're gonna have

  

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236. "he was there out of necessity before"
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now? I don't know. it might be that he outplays everyone else, but he's got a shit ton of work to do at that position.

  

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242. "Dion was and still is the best shooting guard on the Cavaliers "
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He was and is still one of the best young shooting guards in the NBA


He's finally gonna get that national exposure now, though. I'm excited for that especially since Wiggins probably won't be here

  

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256. "sadly, Waiters still struggling with the "5 players, 1 ball" conundrum"
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although there does seem to be some hope that with Bron there to help instill a healthy basketball environment, Dion can see the light and finally grasp winning > dribbling.

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266. "Dion & Kyrie were both guilty of playing selfish"
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They both played way better during the second half of the season, especially Dion who is honestly more of a willing passer & team player than Kyrie

  

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280. "true. They were a terrible fit together. Doesn't make Dion blameless."
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although honestly, I view problems like that as organizational problems. You need vets, or coaches, or staff that can help squash that. It's why teams like the Spurs don't fuck around and place a real value on an enduring "culture." Doesn't matter how good you are at basketball, you still need to work to fit in.

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303. "They fit fine together, but they weren't held similarly accountable "
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they're both dynamic guards who can drive & shoot but like to have the ball in their hands; really all they need is some truly competent coaching(like Bron lol) & they'll be deadly together

  

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285. "FOH with that Cavs Talk crap...Dion was BENCHED for selfishness"
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by THREE STRAIGHT COACHES!!!!

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305. "Dion was benched cause of Mike Brown & Bynum & then earned the spot back..."
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remember Brown was starting Irving at the 2 & Jarret Jack at the point for the longest, then Irving went down & Dion got his starting spot back and the team didn't really miss a beat?


fact is, Blatt & Bron is gonna end all that selfish shit both Ky & D was doing under Mike Brown

  

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311. "nah, man...go 'head with this bullshit rhetoric"
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why boeheim and byron bench him?

i'm off hatin on dion, but you niggas who cyse that dude gotta stop with this dumb shit. that dude BROKE plays to go for self. he'd catch it OFF THE CURL...HOLD IT...THEN START DRIBBLING!!!

why you all kept choosing to blame kyrie for dion NOT shooting when kyrie passed to him, as he opted to rhythm dribble his life away is really beyond me.

his catch and shoot numbers got better because he FINALLY started to catch and shoot in the second half of last year. that's what he supposed to do. he shoulda been doing that. he not the PG...he's the SHOOTING guard...stop tryna initiate the offense and run the damn play.

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313. "DIon had upperclassmen ahead of him in college but was Cuse best player "
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Boeheim will say that.

Scott benched him cause he was trying shit out, it's not like it was permeant




If you want to talk about the first half of the season, talk about when Ky was desperately trying to go for the game winner and ignoring his open teammates twice to take bad lay-ups against the 76ers until he got it to go the 3rd time


they both started to play better team ball as the season went on

  

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316. "talk about how Dion ignored Kyrie and got stonewalled against Boston"
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we can do this all day. bottomline is dion ain't kyrie's equal and blatt, love and bron gonna make him understand that.

the idea that kyrie is holding back a 6-2.5 dude with above average athleticism and an okay jump shot is INSULTING!

stop acting like he's mitch richmond.

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257. "yea potential for huge L's around this"
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>this kid will finally get his proper due this season with all
>the national games we're gonna have

dion obviously has the physical tools to be a top SG in the league
the whole issue was him be subservient to a player he felt equal with (kyrie)
that shit is eliminated now that it's not kyrie team and they ALL have to fall in line now.
if bron likes dude as much as it seems and his game matures that's going be a L for some ppl

  

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274. "LeBron gets +1 fandom points if he gets Dion to act right."
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I'll start drinking the Kool-Aid.

Dion is talented, he just is too much of a bamma IMO.

  

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277. "See, man, Dion's "attitude problems" have been overblown "
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he's bullish but people act like he's a cancer

  

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281. "I don't even think he's all of that either. "
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when I say he's a bamma, I don't mean he's eating da poo poo in the locker room

I'm saying that his B-Ball IQ is at times questionable, he has trouble moving without the ball in his hands, and he does things like go "AYEEEEEEEEEEE" when he thinks he should have a foul and wastes time in transition (sometimes he's right, but he knows it's a dirty game. he MIGHT get those fouls now that LeBron is on the team)

as for the rumors, I don't even believe that they are 100% true anyway.

  

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286. "alight, some of these are very fair critiques of Waiters' game "
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not getting back complaining about calls, yelling at refs ain't poise, standing around instead of moving without the ball


I think he's got a good ball IQ but he makes some bad decisions as young players do but that's all stuff he woulda got better with even without Bron back but with Bron back, Waiters will be killing shit with no mercy


>when I say he's a bamma, I don't mean he's eating da poo poo
>in the locker room
>
>I'm saying that his B-Ball IQ is at times questionable, he has
>trouble moving without the ball in his hands, and he does
>things like go "AYEEEEEEEEEEE" when he thinks he should have a
>foul and wastes time in transition (sometimes he's right, but
>he knows it's a dirty game. he MIGHT get those fouls now that
>LeBron is on the team)
>
>as for the rumors, I don't even believe that they are 100%
>true anyway.

  

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317. "what physical tools? he's 6-3 and not an elite shooter or athlete"
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klay, beal and harden got that SG locked...and there are some young beasts coming up at the spot in the next 3 years. Dion not special, dogg. y'all gotta stop building up something that ain't there.

>>this kid will finally get his proper due this season with
>all
>>the national games we're gonna have
>
>dion obviously has the physical tools to be a top SG in the
>league
>the whole issue was him be subservient to a player he felt
>equal with (kyrie)
>that shit is eliminated now that it's not kyrie team and they
>ALL have to fall in line now.
>if bron likes dude as much as it seems and his game matures
>that's going be a L for some ppl

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228. "btw: absolutely no one who didn't root for the Cavs 2010-14"
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at any point is allowed on the bandwagon. none.

your run's over.
this is ours.

  

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238. "Basa only rooted for Irving so he should only claim his individual award..."
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I'm serious too

  

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247. "still counts. if you were in for the mess of 2013-14 alone?"
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the LeBronies that talked all that shit... NOPE

  

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255. "something bout team-less player-fans just get to me "
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anyone who has followed this team through those dark times will be rewarded though, especially if you want to see *Cleveland* win

  

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264. "i rooted for ALL them bammas...every game...they was just sorry as fuck"
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282. "Naw, u wanted a spot up shooter like Klay not a all around dog like Dion..."
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I mean, you still talking about Waiters coming off the bench?

  

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284. "you did see what happened when Steph Curry got Klay"
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Kyrie was going to be boss this upcoming season with all those shooters on the team already. if he had someone like Klay, Byron Scott might still be coach

  

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296. "just be another dude for Kyrie to not pass to while he drives into 3 def..."
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defenders


dude needs/needed to make the right decisions no matter who else is on the squad


plus Dion had very solid catch & shoot numbers, it's not like he can't or was unwilling to spot up

  

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299. "Ok, we're done here."
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Kyrie is going to undo all of those criticisms this year. Bank on it.

  

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310. "I know Kyrie will play better, play D this year & be more efficient "
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If he's not averaging double digit assist this season, we got problems

  

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320. "nah...8 will be fine...bron and love will initiate plenty of plays, so"
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let's not even start this. nah.

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243. "damn why the cavs fan era start when kyrie got there?"
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u pressed for bags and longo artillery support while trying disassociate yourself from lebronia?
lebron destroyed your franchise, now he rejuvenating that dusty ass shit
don't be mad

  

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251. "Kyrie was drafted in 2011, bruh "
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258. "i know, bruh"
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267. "This is real though, seriously, people need go to their corner"
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This East rivalry goes deeper than Bron and the cavs's its another chapter in the Chi vs Cle from years past, bandwagon fans arent even intimate with this so dont pretend to be and sitchallasses down

That Red Bull and the sword been going at it since the late 80's (and before) I don't want to see anyone claiming cavs in this bitch other than the CLE mainstays.

  

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271. "I've been waiting over 20 years for this get back."
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291. "Craig Ehlo wept."
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________________________________________
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315. "yep, sounds about right to me "
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309. "Then don't start cheering for Lebron u shytfaced clown"
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cause that's essentially who I'll be cheering for

cavs win chip = W
lebron carries cavs to finals for 5 straight and lose = W
kyrie becomes dwade pt.2 and bron carries them to playoffs = W

lebronon wins regardless

and as bad as ur goin to try to diminish brons future impact on the cavs..

u can't

and ur going to look like a crazed idiotic lunatic trying to

u should just fallback and just enjoy his charity

the minute u try to hop in on agenda wars u lose either way

ur proud of ur loyalty to one of the inept owners in the league

congrats



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341. "it's Kyrie's Team, Toine."
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318. "What about that old Cavs/Lakers alliance? "
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I've defended Love, Kyrie, and Brawn around here.

For the record, I thought The Decision was an obscene display of immaturity and selfishness. While simultaneously defending the Big Three team up.

I see no reason our previous alliance cannot still be enjoyed by Lakers and Cavs fans.

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342. "nothing has changed."
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Old alliances are intact.

The Bulls truce is over. It's time for business.
Ditto for the Miami Heat.

I'll be specific.

Allowed:
Cavs fans (includes the Kyrie contingent)
LeBron fans who didn't talk the bullshit (i.e. Vee, Vex)
Kevin Love stans? (do they exist?)

Not-Allowed:
LeBronies (i.e. SouthEuclidMan, Mrs. Aubrey Graham aka Young Doodoo Fingaz)

I'll be clear I'm not rooting for LeBron aside from team allegiances until I see a title held up by him in a Cavs uniform.

This is Kyrie's Team.

When I talk about the Cavs, I'm talking about the dude who didn't run from a shitty, losing experience even when it was not clear what was happening. The dude who everyone called a "ball hog" while ignoring what ELSE was going on the court.

That guy is going to be the "Long Term L" I told POOPINCHICAGO it would be.

and you can hide behind LeBron James and now Kevin Love as much as you want. Kyrie's going to meet the hype and then some.

It's "no excuses" mode and he will deliver. I will finally have my own "Kobe" to champion.

This "shitting on players because they're not LeBron James" shit is going to stop.

It's going to be a petty next few years.
Stay salty, my friends.

  

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240. "not worried about love. don't/never did care if this trade went down"
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we have plenty of versatility up front to guard love effectively as he will be parked on the perimeter. he'll be relegated to the spot up shooter role (bosh) and i have enough confidence in thibs/noaj/taj to properly close out and guard beyond the paint (as they usually do).

i'm more worried about the playmaking between lbj, ky, and dion. love just gonna be standing there shooting, which is scary if your defense is undisciplined.

  

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270. "Let them go crazy, we perfectly set up to compete with that squad "
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304. "lol, perfectly"
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321. "#postsfrom2011"
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319. "lol miami was beating yal with bosh playing that roll"
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and unlike bosh yal gotta account for him on the offensive boards when Noah goes and provides help defense when bron slashing thru the lane




Say dat then.
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322. "For real fam. Let them cook. bubble quietly. "
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The whole theme for okp Bulls nation for this season is:

"Y'all right, we don't stand a chance. Yup, Rose knee."

^^^My stat response all season.

#1 seed? ^^^
Big wins? ^^^
Rose killing 'em? ^^^
Playoffs start? ^^^

But if...maaaaaaaan, won't be no mercy. None.

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323. "DONT WE KNOW HOW THIS MOVIE ENDS?! (c) Chris Rock"
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_ECF.html

>#1 seed? ^^^
>Big wins? ^^^
>Rose killing 'em? ^^^
>Playoffs start? ^^^

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335. "Y'all right, we don't stand a chance. Yup, Rose knee."
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324. "this counts as title talk, circa 2006. thanks. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

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338. "I been talking title for 2 years. The hell you been? "
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And I been blaming rose (knee).

But of course you not gonna acknowledge that.

So...Y'all right, we don't stand a chance. Yup, Rose knee.

But don't let Kyrie fail with two top 10 anchors.

I'm Rachel Raying that nigglet with a side of Paula Deaning.

Relentlessly. The guns is out. Year 1.

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339. "cool. "
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326. "and then it'll switch to the regular theme of crying about the refs"
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Say dat then.
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327. "if you're agreeing with everyone, then you can't make them eat crow"
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also, everyone agrees they're a top contender IF he's fully healthy, we're just saying that's a massive if.

  

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328. "It's all about the knee's. "
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I can't wait for the moment to talk shit again. It hurts having to post serious on here.

But yeah, our mans needs to make it thru a season. If he does we're in a great spot as this team will be the most talented Rose-era squad.

  

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330. "RE: It's all about the knee's. "
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334. "^^ you right I'm on it "
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331. "At the end of the day basketball is 5-on-5, not 3-on-3, and Cleveland..."
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still has to fill out their roster.

And we're not talking about Pat Riley trying to get dudes to come to Miami, it's David Griffin trying to get dudes to take less money to play in Cleveland.

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337. "soooo... they aren't the favorites?"
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340. "you've been following me around in this post trying to make strawman..."
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arguments so let me break down my position for you so you can clearly understand.

People said that the Cavs should trade Wiggins for Love because Wiggins would take a few years to develop and it would be wasting Lebron's prime.

So you would think that trading for Love would be a win-now move but people are saying its not.

If its going to take 2 or 3 years to become a contender with Love they might have been better off sticking with Wiggins.

If Wiggins is an All-Star before the Cavs win a title they might end up looking kind of foolish.

There's been a lot of hype about Kevin Love being a great player just stuck on a bad team, now he's playing with the best player in the world AND one of the top young point guards in the league. He's officially out of excuses. He won't be hiding in Minnesota padding bogus stats in meaningless games, he'll be playing on a contender in nationally televised games so everyone will get to see what he's really all about.

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346. "cause you want it both ways"
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for some reason you want everyone else to see them as the favorite when you don't. you've painted this entire board as Love stans and have oddly taken this "Me against the World" stance. people NEVER claimed this move makes them perfect, just that it makes sense. it certainly brings them closer to a title right now. why doesn't that make sense? not every big move guarantees a title. in fact, no move guarantees a title.

>People said that the Cavs should trade Wiggins for Love
>because Wiggins would take a few years to develop and it would
>be wasting Lebron's prime.

he could also not develop at all. then what would everyone say?

>So you would think that trading for Love would be a win-now
>move but people are saying its not.

they're saying it isn't a guarantee, but it certainly is a "win-now" move in that it moves their window up significantly.


>If its going to take 2 or 3 years to become a contender with
>Love they might have been better off sticking with Wiggins.


they become a contender instantly, just not the #1 contender. should every big move make you the #1 contender? was the clippers trading for cp3 dumb? was the rockets signing howard dumb? shit, i wouldn't even call the lakers trading for howard dumb, even in retrospect. it made sense.

>
>If Wiggins is an All-Star before the Cavs win a title they
>might end up looking kind of foolish.

and what if wiggins sucks? he's played zero minutes so far and they just blew a #1 pick on bennett. wouldn't it be more foolish for them to wait around for him to MAYBE get good? they already know what love can do and i think the trade is worth it for them to see where they can go with him. as someone else pointed out, this team is not locked in the way you think it is. they can still add pieces next offseason or maybe even make a trade midseason depending on how the chips fall.

>
>There's been a lot of hype about Kevin Love being a great
>player just stuck on a bad team, now he's playing with the
>best player in the world AND one of the top young point guards
>in the league. He's officially out of excuses. He won't be
>hiding in Minnesota padding bogus stats in meaningless games,
>he'll be playing on a contender in nationally televised games
>so everyone will get to see what he's really all about.

that's all fair, but conversely i'm not sure why you're SO convinced he'll fail. you coulda made similar arguments about a bunch of players before they were traded and won championships, including Pau. btw Kobe stans love to prop him up by saying "Pau never made it out of the first round w/o Kobe." Well, using your logic, why bother trading for Pau then? What exactly was PROVEN about Pau's ability to win in memphis?

  

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347. "RE: cause you want it both ways"
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>that's all fair, but conversely i'm not sure why you're SO
>convinced he'll fail. you coulda made similar arguments about
>a bunch of players before they were traded and won
>championships, including Pau. btw Kobe stans love to prop him
>up by saying "Pau never made it out of the first round w/o
>Kobe." Well, using your logic, why bother trading for Pau
>then? What exactly was PROVEN about Pau's ability to win in
>memphis?

Pau at least got to the playoffs on his own. He was swept in the first round all 3 times but he still got there.

In NBA history there's never been as much hype about a player that's never played in a playoff game.

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357. "so if he was swept all 3 times"
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>Pau at least got to the playoffs on his own. He was swept in
>the first round all 3 times but he still got there.

how was he THAT much more prepared to join a winning team than Love is now? just because he was there but didn't do anything of note? seems like an arbitrary milestone if you're building a team.

>In NBA history there's never been as much hype about a player
>that's never played in a playoff game.
>

honestly, Love doesn't have THAT much hype. in fact, people don't even talk about him much outside of where he might go next. people are only excited about him now because Bron is getting another piece*. It's not nearly the same feeling as "Oh shit! Bron PLUS Wade PLUS Bosh!!!" was 4 years ago or even Pierce, KG, and Ray before that.

*Actually, I'd say it was similar to Gasol joining Kobe. How much Grizzlies basketball did people watch/talk about before that trade? Next to none, but they still knew he was a good player and were excited he was joining Kobe. The focus of the story is still on the star of the team, not Gasol/Love.

  

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358. "lol, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now, the Gasol....."
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trade was a completely different situation.

First of all Pau had lead his is team to a winning record on the playoffs 3 years in a row. Something Love has never done.

Conversely, at the time of the trade Pau was a one-time All-Star. Conversely Love is a 3-time all-star and 2-time All-NBA. They changed the rules for him. In the past young players that had never even made it to the playoffs didn't get that kind of recognition.

The teams' situation was totally different too. After low expectations at the start of the season, the Lakers got off to a great start with Bynum playing well, then Bynum got hurt mid-season and the trade for Pau was made but the Lakers didn't give up a number 1 overall draft pick and most people cried that the deal was ridiculously lopsided because nobody knew how good Marc was going to be at the time.

So that's WHY the Lakers traded for Gasol, it was a completely different situation.

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365. "Love is better than Memphis Pau....Pau was a third tier big back then"
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333. "thats cool but we still winning the East "
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343. "Sounds like Thad to Minny, AB to Philly"
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With more to be worked out (I'm guessing Cleveland will send the pick to the Sixers instead of the Wolves)


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20140808_Source__Sixers_in_Cavs-Wolves_trade.html#2bMir7sTlUEqo3rg.99

WHILE NEWS CAME out yesterday that Minnesota and Cleveland had agreed in principle to a trade that will send All-Star Kevin Love to the Cavaliers for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a first-round draft pick, the Daily News has learned that the Sixers will, indeed, be involved in the deal.

A source informed the Daily News that the Sixers will be sending veteran forward Thaddeus Young to Minnesota for a package that will include Bennett, the No. 1 pick in the 2013 NBA draft.

The deal, which two sources have confirmed to the Associated Press, will not be official until Aug. 23, when Wiggins, this year's No. 1 draft pick, becomes eligible to be traded.

It has been reported that Minnesota sees Young as the right guy to fill Love's shoes. The Timberwolves, it has been reported, could use the first-round pick they get from the Cavaliers to help entice the Sixers to part with the 26-year-old Young, but that has not been confirmed.

Love, 25, is coming off his best season, one in which he averaged 26.1 points, 12.5 rebounds and 4.4 assists. He can opt out of his contract next summer, and the three-time All-Star made it clear to the Timberwolves that he was looking to join a contender after missing the postseason for six seasons in Minnesota.

Young is coming off a solid year in which he averaged career-bests with 17.9 points and 2.3 assists a game. He has spent his 7-year NBA career with the Sixers after being drafted out of Georgia Tech with the 12th pick in 2007.

For now, the deal will unite Love, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving in a new-look Big 3 in Cleveland. As for the Sixers, it will give them three of the top 11 picks from the 2013 draft - Bennett, Nerlens Noel and Michael Carter-Williams.

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344. "I must be thinking of a different Thad Young."
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349. "yeah, this Thad Young thing is.... weird"
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though if Bennett goes to the Sixers and he's as good as I think he's going to be alongside Noel, MCW, and Embiid?

Sixer fans better keep SouthEuclidMan out the gate.

  

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345. "This post have it all. (c) Mississippi Monta"
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- Agendas on steroids

- Epic hedging of L's

- The usual Dr. Jack Ramsay level analysis of dudes based on minimal actual games watched


LeBron is the mfing giving tree in this bitch. 14-15 is gonna be so, so good.

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350. "this dude comes back like Maxwell after 10 years and does numbers"
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351. "Kevin Love jersey burning"
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356. "Glasses be helpin'."
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352. "NBA could block Kevin Love trade if agreement for him to sign long-term ..."
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/08/report-nba-could-block-kevin-love-trade-if-agreement-for-him-to-sign-long-term-in-cleveland-is-already-in-place/

Report: NBA could block Kevin Love trade if agreement for him to sign long-term in Cleveland is already in place
Brett Pollakoff Aug 8, 2014, 10:39 PM EDT

Its all but certain that Kevin Love will be traded to the Cavaliers just as soon as the rookie contract signed by Andrew Wiggins allows the deal to go through, but some recently reported details could possibly place the entire thing in jeopardy if it can be proven that an illegal agreement (in terms of the leagues collective bargaining agreement) is already in place.

Both teams have been careful not to say too much, lest the league come down on them with severe consequences for working outside of the rules. But if Love has in fact implicitly agreed to re-sign in Cleveland as has been reported, that may be an issue that the league office has no choice but to address.

From Brian Windhorst and Marc Stein of ESPN.com:

But sources say that the Cavs and Wolves, knowing that league officials are monitoring this transaction closely, have been careful not to make any public acknowledgments that trade details have already been agreed to. Thats because Wiggins remains ineligible to move moved until 30 days pass from the signing his rookie contract.

The Cavs were granted permission last month by Minnesota to speak to Love and his representatives in an introductory fashion, sources say, while James and Love have also been in direct contact about their long-term intentions of playing together in recent weeks. But sources insist that no agreement for Love to sign an extension in Cleveland next summer when he can become a free agent is in place.

Under NBA rules, such an agreement would be illegal and, if proven, potentially could be grounds for the league to block this trade and dole out punishment to both teams. The Wolves were infamously sanctioned heavily in 2000 after it was discovered that the club had promised a lucrative future contract in writing to Joe Smith, incurring a fine of $3.5 million and the loss of four first-round picks as well as suspensions for owner Glen Taylor and then-GM Kevin McHale.


Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports initially reported that Cleveland is making the deal with Minnesota with a firm agreement Love will opt out of his contract in 2015 and re-sign with the Cavaliers on a five-year, $120 million-plus contract extension. Thats the point of contention that could potentially allow the league to step in, but good luck proving it in any capacity.

No ones stupid enough to put something like that in writing this time, and barring a ridiculous out-of-place statement from one of the deals principles, no matter what Loves intentions might be, there will be no way to prove that something was already in place before the trade was executed.


  

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354. "RE: LeBron Love Kyrie and Kyrie Love Bron"
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355. "This post had me going thru the archives"
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had fun, read thru The Decision post again, the Dan Gilbert Comic Sans post, the Boston-Cleveland Game 6 post and the YMCA marine one cuz it was just there. lol

  

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359. "I'm admiring this squad from afar, but I'm rooting HOARD for Minny tho"
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Ryan M
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360. "Wait. You mean the picks YOU DEFENDED?!"
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>no, but seriously, after years of watching Grant botch all
>them top 5 picks and having Gee and Earl Clark in that corner,
>Kyrie and the Cavs deserve this. i'm dead serious. they
>DESERVE this.

I mean, there's a post in the front page of you defending Bennett. An you defended Tristan and called him the right pick. Waiters less so but still. Why change the story now?

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Basaglia
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361. "you lying nasty bitch...THIS WHY WE NEED BETTER SEARCHES!!!!"
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i said they should have picked klay thompson...EVERYONE knows this.

now, i did DEFEND picks that i never wanted and hoped for the best, but that's an entirely different thing PREFERRING them.

in 2011, i wanted Klay

in 2012, i wanted Gilchrist or Drummond

last year, I wanted Otto or Ben, but I wasn't mad about Bennett.

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Ryan M
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363. "You lying nasty bitch, this is why you need to read."
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>now, i did DEFEND picks that i never wanted and hoped for the
>best, but that's an entirely different thing PREFERRING them.

Nowhere in my post above (no search necessary!) does it say PREFER. You defended the shit out of those picks, all except for Waiters.

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Basaglia
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364. "you said i called tristan "the right pick"...stop cysin shit"
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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362. "Yeah, he easily wanted none of them dudes. "
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There was a lot of a Jeremy Lamb, Mclemore, and others thrown out each year, but none of the dudes they picked.

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366. "Simmons trolls Truth: Love = new Barkley, will average 22-15-5"
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When I explain Bill Simmons to my grandkids, this is the column I will show them. I've excerpted the bottom part (that I had to start skimming towards) for Truth to print out and post on his wailing wall.

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http://grantland.com/features/kevin-love-lebron-james-trade-minnesota-timberwolves/

...

I see Cleveland playing Love as a small-ball 5 much like Coach K did.

I see David Blatt pushing them to run and run and run some more.

I see Loves extraordinary outlet passes being celebrated around the globe.

I see him becoming a legitimate threat to be a 22-15-5 guy and maybe even average 16 boards a game (which hasnt happened since Rodman).

I see my favorite Cavs lineup being their small-ball group with LeBron, Love, Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters and a spread-the-floor shooter and not-so-coincidentally, looking very 93 Suns-ish.

I see Love thriving on the pick-and-pop with LeBron or Kyrie to frighteningly efficient degrees.

I see anyone who said this week that (a) Cleveland gave up too much, and/or (b) Love isnt as good as people think, feeling stupid.

I see myself feeling sorry for Minnesota fans again.

I see this trade reinventing Loves NBA career much like Phoenix reinvented Barkley. Love wont win the MVP, but hell win our respect. And he wont be polarizing anymore. Hes going to kill it in Cleveland. I really believe that.

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367. "It's very possible. "
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373. "thru 10 games -- 16.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.6 apg"
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I wonder why in the world BS would have thought Kevin Love was the second coming of Charles Barkley, when so far he couldn't be further from the second coming of Charles Barkley?

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368. "Deal per ESPN"
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I'm not sure whose pick goes to Philly. Paragraph five sounds like it's the Wolves pick, but paragraph six says the Wolves will send the pick they get from Cleveland (which I think might actually be Miami's) to Philly.

Cleveland gets Love
Minnesota gets Wiggins, AB and Thad Young
Philadelphia gets Shved, Mbah A Moute and this draft pick

Glad we're going to give AB a shot.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11391484/thaddeus-young-philadelphia-76ers-expected-land-minnesota-timberwolves

The Minnesota Timberwolves expect to land Philadelphia's Thaddeus Young in addition to No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins when they complete their long-anticipated trade that sends Kevin Love to the Cavaliers this weekend, NBA front-office sources said.

Sources told ESPN.com on Thursday that the Wolves -- as part of a separate transaction with Philadelphia or by expanding their planned deal with the Cavaliers into a three-team trade -- are already operating under the premise they are acquiring Young from the Sixers as Love's replacement.

ESPN.com reported in July that Wolves president and coach Flip Saunders had pinpointed Young as his preferred successor at power forward to Love, who officially can be dealt to the Cavaliers on Saturday, when the rookie Wiggins becomes eligible to be traded at last.

One source familiar with league rules told ESPN.com that Wiggins becomes eligible to be dealt at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, as soon as the calendar flips to Aug. 23.

Although nothing can be finalized before Saturday, sources said Thursday that the Wolves are poised to surrender a future first-round pick along with the expiring contracts of Luc Richard Mbah A Moute and Alexey Shved to the Sixers for Young, who has two seasons left on his deal valued at $19.4 million.

The Wolves, sources said, already have verbally agreed to acquire Wiggins, 2013's No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and a future first-round pick from the Cavs for Love. Minnesota would then have the option of flipping that first-rounder to Philadelphia, along with Mbah A Moute and Shved, for Young.

The Sixers tried to get Bennett as part of the Young transaction, sources said, but Minnesota was determined to keep the second-year forward to be a key piece in its rebuilding effort despite Bennett's disappointing rookie season with Cleveland.

Although the Cavs' 30-day waiting period to move Wiggins ends Saturday, sources told ESPN.com on Thursday that the teams can indeed schedule a trade call with the league that day despite the fact it's a weekend, meaning the Love trade can be completed at the earliest allowable date.

Sources say that news conferences to introduce Love and Wiggins with their respective new teams are unlikely before next week, after the various players involved in the transactions have had a chance to complete their physicals.

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369. "philly gives no fucks"
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i'm trying to think if a team has ever been this blatant with it
spurs the year before duncan?

  

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370. "But even that was brought on by David Robinson's injury"
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They were considered playoff contenders heading into the season, and they didn't officially shut down The Admiral until December.

I'm surprised Philly's giving up Thad for a couple bench players and a (maybe) later first rounder, without even getting Bennett.

Also, the reason Philly wants Luc is because he's a mentor to Embiid. So, they ARE going all in on their young bigs.

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371. "yea it made sense when they were getting bennett back"
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>I'm surprised Philly's giving up Thad for a couple bench
>players and a (maybe) later first rounder, without even
>getting Bennett.

not sure what this is supposed to be
clearing money....but for what?
they have a ton of cap room and just dumped more money for (basically) nothing in return and no prospective FAgents on the horizon
tanking, running lean, and saving money i guess

  

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372. "RE: yea it made sense when they were getting bennett back"
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This is the first Hink-dawg move I am really scratching my head about. Like yeah I get it that Thad is out of here at the end of the year but this is all you can get?

I mean I guess Young Thad just don't command much in the trade market... if you can only get a 2nd and Henry Sims for Spence, is a 1st and Shved/Luc for Thad really that crazy?

But god-fucking damn are we thin up front... who starts at the 4 now? Moultrie? Jerami Grant? Noel with Sims at the 5? Derrick Coleman???

Oh and I don't think we obtained two bench players, I wouldn't be shocked if Shved is our starting SG. Jason Richardson's carcass will never see the floor this year. Jordan McRae or KJ McDaniels will start at the 3, and I think the other is better suited for that second unit.

  

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376. "I just don't think there was much of a market for Young"
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And I don't care that much about Bennett anyway.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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374. "Post #175."
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375. "and Post #22."
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379. "Love = Guarded Unanimous, 73-win havin' ass MVP"
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Kyrie = SHOT A BIG TIME 3 IN THAT NIGGA FACE

BRON = Put on 2 Undertaker Games and one 1/2 NyQuil Game

DOWN 3-1 in the FINALS

ON THE ROAD

= TITLE.

NOPE.

  

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