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Frank Longo
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"Y'all following ESPN's Top 50 College Hoops Coaches Series?"


  

          

They just named Boeheim #12. Who do y'all think is #1? Plenty are saying it'll be K or Cal, but I'm going curveball and saying they give it to Donovan. It is, after all, a series designed to generate clicks and conversation-- I doubt they go with a "safe" pick.

Here they are to date:

No. 50: Tie -- Randy Bennett, Saint Mary's; Scott Drew, Baylor
No. 49: Richard Pitino, Minnesota
No. 48: Stew Morrill, Utah State
No. 47: Bob Hoffman, Mercer
No. 46: John Thompson III, Georgetown
No. 45: Mike Brey, Notre Dame
No. 44: Rick Barnes, Texas
No. 43: Chris Mack, Xavier
No. 42: Josh Pastner, Memphis
No. 41: Ed Cooley, Providence
No. 40: Bruce Weber, Kansas State
No. 39: Tubby Smith, Texas Tech
No. 38: Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech
No. 37: Rick Byrd, Belmont
No. 36: Steve Alford, UCLA
No. 35: Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's
No. 34: Tad Boyle, Colorado
No. 33: Fran McCaffery, Iowa
No. 32: Tim Miles, Nebraska
No. 31: Lon Kruger, Oklahoma
No. 30: Bob Huggins, West Virginia
No. 29: Jim Crews, Saint Louis
No. 28: Jim Larranaga, Miami
No. 27: Mick Cronin, Cincinnati
No. 26: Archie Miller, Dayton
No. 25: Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh
No. 24: Bob McKillop, Davidson
No. 23: Greg McDermott, Creighton
No. 22: Tommy Amaker, Harvard
No. 21: Larry Brown, SMU
No. 20: Thad Matta, Ohio State
No. 19: Jay Wright, Villanova
No. 18: Steve Fisher, San Diego State
No. 17: Mark Few, Gonzaga
No. 16: Roy Williams, North Carolina
No. 15: Fred Hoiberg, Iowa State
No. 14: Tony Bennett, Virginia
No. 13: Shaka Smart, VCU
No. 12: Jim Boeheim, Syracuse
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Fisher too low, Wright too perhaps. LMAO @ Amaker.
Jun 19th 2014
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lmao
Jun 19th 2014
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http://i.imgur.com/lrlYV13.gif
Jun 19th 2014
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for the record I did not mean Boeheim lol
Jun 20th 2014
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      Oh, I know who you meant.
Jun 20th 2014
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... which JB?
Jun 19th 2014
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      of course not LOL
Jun 20th 2014
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      You had me so confused, LMAO.
Jun 20th 2014
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      Boeheim's like 8-1 against Beilein
Jun 20th 2014
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           must have been fun while it lasted
Jun 20th 2014
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                RE: must have been fun while it lasted
Jun 20th 2014
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                     its not a negative, just an advantage Beilein didnt have
Jun 20th 2014
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                          RE: its not a negative, just an advantage Beilein didnt have
Jun 20th 2014
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                               in a year where UM didnt place 2 lightly recruited guys
Jun 20th 2014
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      http://gifsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/grab-2014-02-01-17h46m0...
Jun 20th 2014
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Whole bunch of never been to a final four coaches
Jun 20th 2014
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Lol yea, this list is dog shit.
Jun 20th 2014
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gee I wonder why u think that lol
Jun 20th 2014
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      If this list is based solely on the 2013 2014 season, I'd agree.
Jun 20th 2014
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They say in the piece they weigh recent performance heavily.
Jun 20th 2014
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Whole lotta typing and all I have to reply is.
Jun 20th 2014
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      Since JTIII's Final Four?
Jun 20th 2014
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           all of that is not sweet sixteen or final 4
Jun 20th 2014
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                Also, I should have said josh pastner and Phil martelli
Jun 20th 2014
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                Phil Martelli made one deep run at a upper mid major catholic school
Jun 20th 2014
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                It's definitely devil you know vs. devil you don't.
Jun 20th 2014
34
yeah i suppose jt3 should at least be top 30
Jun 20th 2014
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      how does this make sense in your mind?
Jun 20th 2014
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why the hell is Lon Kruger ahead of any of these guys?
Jun 20th 2014
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That one is another that's pretty baffling.
Jun 20th 2014
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      he stinks. 2nd round losses are his ceiling.
Jun 20th 2014
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Tubby too low. 'Cism.
Jun 20th 2014
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Tubby got boned by the "recent success" angle.
Jun 20th 2014
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      tubby got boned by the "Big 10 is not the SEC" angle
Jun 20th 2014
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           True, he does have as many titles as all the Big 10 coaches combined.
Jun 20th 2014
33
                that was nice of Coach Pitino to leave him with such a team
Jun 20th 2014
36
                     Right, how often do you get blessed with Scott Padgett, Jeff Sheppard,..
Jun 20th 2014
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1. "Fisher too low, Wright too perhaps. LMAO @ Amaker."
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JB needs to be in the top 5

  

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2. "lmao"
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>JB needs to be in the top 5

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3. "http://i.imgur.com/lrlYV13.gif"
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>JB needs to be in the top 5

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7. "for the record I did not mean Boeheim lol"
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18. "Oh, I know who you meant. "
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4. "... which JB?"
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Certainly you don't mean Jim Boeheim.

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5. "of course not LOL"
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11. "You had me so confused, LMAO."
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I don't know why I didn't even think of Beilein. I even thought to myself, "oh, he's weighing in on Fisher and Amaker, typical Michigan opinions"... yet when you said JB, I had no clue who you meant, lol.

He'll be top ten, which is still pretty goddamn good considering where he'd be on the list if it was made three years ago. He MIGHT even sneak top five. Like I said, these lists love putting "shocking" results out, and something like Beilein over Self would have people going apeshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if they left K out of the top five, frankly.

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24. "Boeheim's like 8-1 against Beilein"
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26. "must have been fun while it lasted"
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ie while all the top 100 talent involved was in orange



  

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28. "RE: must have been fun while it lasted"
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>ie while all the top 100 talent involved was in orange
>

I fail to see how that's a negative.

"Boeheim had better players and repeatedly kicked his ass, but he's not better"?

Boeheim built his program. Boeheim recruited those players. That's all a part of the job.

  

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31. "its not a negative, just an advantage Beilein didnt have"
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Now he's getting the kind of talent Boeheim has always gotten and doing more with it in a tougher conference, both in terms of wins and developing players

Also...when Boeheim took over they were a lot closer to their previous Final 4 than they were to their next one so "built that program" seems a little hyperbolic

  

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32. "RE: its not a negative, just an advantage Beilein didnt have"
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>Now he's getting the kind of talent Boeheim has always gotten
>and doing more with it in a tougher conference, both in terms
>of wins and developing players

C'mon. He won more games than Boeheim one time(31 wins to 30 in 2013). Last year they both won 28. Go back any further than 2013 and it's a landslide for Boeheim.

Developing players? Like developing a rookie of the year Point Guard?

>Also...when Boeheim took over they were a lot closer to their
>previous Final 4 than they were to their next one so "built
>that program" seems a little hyperbolic

They were a regional program(with a surprise final 4 run under their belt). They weren't getting rosterfuls of top 100 players pre-Boeheim.

  

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35. "in a year where UM didnt place 2 lightly recruited guys"
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On the all rookie team...

I would be impressed

  

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25. "http://gifsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/grab-2014-02-01-17h46m0..."
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6. "Whole bunch of never been to a final four coaches"
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Ahead of jt3.

  

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8. "Lol yea, this list is dog shit."
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9. "gee I wonder why u think that lol"
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10. "If this list is based solely on the 2013 2014 season, I'd agree."
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Otherwise...no.

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12. "They say in the piece they weigh recent performance heavily."
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I was in college when JTIII made the Final Four, which was also coincidentally the last time he made the Sweet 16.

If you are considered a coach that is tiptoeing toward the hot seat (which, if he busts in the first round of the tourney AGAIN this season, best believe that's not tiptoeing, that's a full-blown gallop), then odds of you being top 40 in a 300+ coach league aren't great.

Dude's been to the Sweet 16 twice in a decade. Twice ever. At Georgetown.

EDIT: not even to say he's not too low-- I woulda put Barnes beneath him. All the same, I wouldn't have expected him that much higher.

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15. "Whole lotta typing and all I have to reply is."
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Wtf has Tim miles done, tho?

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17. "Since JTIII's Final Four?"
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Took Colorado State from the embarrassment of the Mountain West to the tourney by Year 5, and took a 4-conference-win Nebraska team to an 11-conference-win tourney team in two years. He's hot for a reason. That reason: he is very good.

There's also a degree of difficulty level to this list. Making the tourney with Nebraska in year two is a hell of a lot harder than another Georgetown tourney appearance. But you know that.

I also don't think my above reply qualified as "a whole lotta typing," but maybe that's just me.

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22. "all of that is not sweet sixteen or final 4"
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also, ed cooley (BUT THEY MADE THE TOURNEY ONCE!).

prove it on the big stage at least once before you get to be hot shit as a coach. that's kinda a big qualifier for me.

>There's also a degree of difficulty level to this list. Making
>the tourney with Nebraska in year two is a hell of a lot
>harder than another Georgetown tourney appearance. But you
>know that.

not when JT3 came to georgetown and did even better by year 2. but then, after being hot shit, he's now "fallen off" so people can just pump up the next group of hot shit coaches because of a single elimination tournament even though he got to the sweet sixteen in year 2 and a final four in year 3. Also, the hoyas facilities S.U.C.K. while Nebraska got new, pimped out facilities in 2011. Which is a big part of my point--JT3 5 years ago would have been the equivalent of Tim Miles and now he's not. Why is Time Miles definitely better when, in their relatively equal first big conference positions, JT3 did better (much better). It's because bad analysis criticizes the devil they know instead of the devil they don't.

but yeah, recency. that's not a top 50 coaches list, that's a top 50 hottest coaches list. at which point, i'd be fine with jt3 not even making the top 50 (though his recruiting recently has been hot as hell).

>I also don't think my above reply qualified as "a whole lotta
>typing," but maybe that's just me.

compared to one line, it was. now i'e typed a lot, but it's friday afternoon and i don't want to work.

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29. "Also, I should have said josh pastner and Phil martelli"
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30. "Phil Martelli made one deep run at a upper mid major catholic school"
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And has since, more or less faded into Bolivian.

Hmmmm.....

  

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34. "It's definitely devil you know vs. devil you don't."
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But if I was fielding a team today and needed to win one tournament game, I'd pick Miles over JTIII.

Again, not saying he deserves to be behind everyone he's behind. I just have no problem with him being toward the back of the pack.

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21. "yeah i suppose jt3 should at least be top 30"
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but i'm not sweating him being 45. he aight.

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23. "how does this make sense in your mind?"
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he should be top 30, but 45 isn't that far off.

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13. "why the hell is Lon Kruger ahead of any of these guys?"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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14. "That one is another that's pretty baffling."
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I guess they reeeeeeally love that Big 12 COY award and project him to continue to improve over the next couple of years?

Dude last hit the Sweet 16 the year JTIII did. And JTIII made the Final Four that year. So if recent success is weighed heavily... yeah, there are a number of guys who should be ahead of him.

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16. "he stinks. 2nd round losses are his ceiling."
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the only thing he's good at is getting top tier pay for mid tier work.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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19. "Tubby too low. 'Cism. "
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20. "Tubby got boned by the "recent success" angle."
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I'd personally put him higher, but when you miss the dance four of your last seven seasons, they're gonna bump you down.

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27. "tubby got boned by the "Big 10 is not the SEC" angle"
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33. "True, he does have as many titles as all the Big 10 coaches combined. "
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cgonz00cc
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36. "that was nice of Coach Pitino to leave him with such a team"
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Its not every day someone takes over a 2x returning finalist with 3 NBA 1st rounders in the frontcourt and 2 seniors in the backcourt

  

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37. "Right, how often do you get blessed with Scott Padgett, Jeff Sheppard,.."
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Heshimu Evans, Nazr Mohammed, and Wayne Turner.

That's a juggernaut team.

Anybody could've won with that squad.

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