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"The Pro Wrasslin' Thread: Payback to Money in the Bank"
Sun Jun-01-14 06:47 PM by Flash80

          

*fires up the PS3*

is this not the wackest card in a minute?

i got no problem with cena vs wyatt again as long as cena ultimately turns...

nevermind.

maybe vince losing $750 million in two months on the ticker symbol will shake up the old man's complacency though.

  

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And a late addition of 2 more matches to make it even more like Raw
Jun 01st 2014
1
well that's how you ruin a pretty good match.
Jun 01st 2014
2
not a sheamus fan, but i thought the finish worked.
Jun 01st 2014
4
Why did Cesaro & rusev lose their first names?
Jun 01st 2014
3
Just condensing, did the same thing with Big E
Jun 01st 2014
6
lana though.
Jun 01st 2014
5
This is a great episode of Smackdown
Jun 01st 2014
7
you gotta bolieve that it's gonna get better though.
Jun 01st 2014
8
Its a good thing I only paid $9.99 for this....
Jun 01st 2014
9
Steph mentioning Punk?
Jun 01st 2014
10
Stephanie flipping that Punk chant on the crowd was great
Jun 01st 2014
11
Yeah, that was masterful crowd control.
Jun 01st 2014
12
Yeah it surprisingly shut them up, LOL
Jun 01st 2014
14
is that the first time steph has gotten smacked
Jun 01st 2014
13
'swig of beer for the sound guy botching the uso's music early.
Jun 01st 2014
15
i liked that stair throw.
Jun 01st 2014
16
Yo! Cena throwing the stairs out of the ring right at Bray was nuts!
Jun 01st 2014
17
please god no more bray/cena
Jun 01st 2014
18
Appropriate that Wyatt loses in a makeshift coffin
Jun 01st 2014
19
Ha! And JBL just said it!
Jun 01st 2014
20
Okay, I really enjoyed that match. All six dudes involved brought it
Jun 01st 2014
21
Paige looks like ass, why is she Divas champ again?
Jun 01st 2014
22
She's probably the best female wrestler they've had in 15 years at least
Jun 01st 2014
25
      RE: She's probably the best female wrestler they've had in 15 years at l...
Jun 01st 2014
29
      Well that's not her fault, I just answered why she's champ
Jun 01st 2014
30
      *LOL* c'mon man.
Jun 01st 2014
32
           Did you watch NXT during her rise? Yes she is
Jun 02nd 2014
34
           well, if we're being really real, the best wrestler is the one training
Jun 02nd 2014
45
           I thought she was a trainer. Not training?
Jun 02nd 2014
67
                That's what I meant, but char. cutoff on subject lines
Jun 03rd 2014
75
           Gail Kim in WWE wasn't interesting, but in TNA...
Jun 02nd 2014
66
I actually just nodded off during this Shield/Evolution match, zzzzz....
Jun 01st 2014
23
great main event
Jun 01st 2014
24
Rollins looked like he got hurt on that dive
Jun 01st 2014
27
They could do that match every month for all I care
Jun 01st 2014
26
I thought that was a solid show
Jun 01st 2014
28
RE: I thought that was a solid show
Jun 01st 2014
31
yeah, i was pleasantly surprised too.
Jun 02nd 2014
35
Nah, he's actually doing what's best for business here.
Jun 02nd 2014
40
      Ya, everytime people think a break up is coming they just get stronger
Jun 02nd 2014
42
Surprised by a lot of the results...
Jun 02nd 2014
33
That's how Cena/Wyatt should have ended, there was 0% chance
Jun 02nd 2014
36
      that feud benefitted neither party whatsoever.
Jun 02nd 2014
37
           Nope and it went exactly like we knew it would
Jun 02nd 2014
38
                It's incredible how much they messed this up
Jun 02nd 2014
39
RE: bryan needs to drop the strap or go heel
Jun 02nd 2014
41
Jun 02nd 2014
43
HHH's reputation for burying people is way overblown
Jun 02nd 2014
44
I'm with you on all that.
Jun 02nd 2014
47
Yea the biggest issue is only focusing short term
Jun 02nd 2014
51
      i was hoping the network would make them more patient
Jun 02nd 2014
54
I agree but...
Jun 02nd 2014
49
      There are always a million external factors that add up to success.
Jun 02nd 2014
50
spot on.
Jun 02nd 2014
46
      I'm cool with Heyman being Heyman and pushing the Lesnar heat.
Jun 02nd 2014
48
           They need a Lesnar/Cesaro team if they want to do that
Jun 02nd 2014
52
                Cesaro just had a tag team break-up like this though
Jun 02nd 2014
53
                There's only so many wrestling storylines, it's the players that make it
Jun 02nd 2014
56
                     but it's the same story for the same guy
Jun 02nd 2014
57
                          It's really the opposite which could be a cool take on it
Jun 02nd 2014
58
                They don't need them to team up to work this angle.
Jun 02nd 2014
55
Not sure which I want to see less:
Jun 02nd 2014
59
I am going to Money in the Bank...i hope DB doesn't come back...
Jun 02nd 2014
65
I thought that segment had Stephanie written all over it.
Jun 03rd 2014
70
Should I bother watching Payback?
Jun 02nd 2014
60
Only the last man standing match.
Jun 02nd 2014
68
Damn. Did not see that coming
Jun 02nd 2014
61
Can't have nothing nice...
Jun 02nd 2014
62
well it was fun while it lasted!
Jun 02nd 2014
63
THIS IS FUCKING DEVASTATING
Jun 02nd 2014
64
I'll give Trips a moment to see what he does with Rollins.
Jun 03rd 2014
69
such a shame it happened but I guess it was inevitable...
Jun 03rd 2014
72
      but who was left to face, though?
Jun 03rd 2014
87
FUCK. I had to go and open my fucking mouth. DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN
Jun 03rd 2014
71
Would u add Ziggler to the Shield and keep it movin?
Jun 03rd 2014
73
RE: Would u add Ziggler to the Shield and keep it movin?
Jun 03rd 2014
74
      Ziggler's personality doesn't fit with the Shield at all
Jun 03rd 2014
76
           You're probably right
Jun 03rd 2014
77
           ambrose is the one guy i'm curious to see in a singles program...
Jun 03rd 2014
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                I think ultimately Ambrose is overrated.
Jun 03rd 2014
89
                     He is in position to be odd man out right now
Jun 03rd 2014
93
can't say i support this, but i am gonna watch
Jun 03rd 2014
78
Part of perfect booking means ending before you have to
Jun 03rd 2014
81
      agreed, I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic on this one.
Jun 03rd 2014
83
Nice swerve
Jun 03rd 2014
79
The issue isn't whether Cena can work a high-quality match.
Jun 03rd 2014
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      Not only that, but the feud win did nothing for him
Jun 03rd 2014
82
           That L is going to do ZERO damage to Bray's career/push.
Jun 03rd 2014
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           True, losing to Cena has never stopped anybody's heat
Jun 03rd 2014
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           Bray will be fine.
Jun 03rd 2014
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                Well he is 0 for 2 in his major feuds
Jun 03rd 2014
91
                     Didn't Bray win the feud with Bryan?
Jun 03rd 2014
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                     I believe the end was Bryan on the cage leading the yes chant
Jun 03rd 2014
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                          I think Rumble was after that, no?
Jun 04th 2014
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                               You are correct. Bray did beat him at the Rumble.
Jun 04th 2014
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                                    Forgot about rumble
Jun 04th 2014
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                                         lol oh for Christ's sake
Jun 04th 2014
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                     vs. the WWE Champion and the #1 guy.
Jun 03rd 2014
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                          That doesn't feel like a step down to you?
Jun 04th 2014
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                               Dude hasn't been a Wyatt for even a year.
Jun 04th 2014
127
did y'all hear that fan scream out "NOOOOOO!" right before the impact?
Jun 03rd 2014
84
I noticed it last night & rewound it like 10 times
Jun 03rd 2014
85
Why are they pushing Kane vs Bryan??
Jun 04th 2014
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Because Bryan's neck surgery has fouled up whatever they
Jun 04th 2014
100
Let's all just agree to never mention Cena again, so we can avoid Zoo's ...
Jun 04th 2014
104
Making this about me is not going to help your argument, guys.
Jun 04th 2014
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      LOL! Please, show me all the times I "mention your name" in these posts
Jun 04th 2014
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           No. And again: TL; DR
Jun 04th 2014
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                Yet another intellectually lazy response from ZooHeartsCena
Jun 04th 2014
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                     k
Jun 04th 2014
119
Okay, fine, you're right, you guys, Cena should stop winning matches
Jun 04th 2014
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As usual, you completely miss the point by a mile.
Jun 04th 2014
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TL; DR
Jun 04th 2014
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      lol. Sorry, you're never interesting to discuss anything with, ever.
Jun 04th 2014
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           k
Jun 04th 2014
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                Look at all the quality, civil discussion that was had before you showed...
Jun 04th 2014
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                     k
Jun 04th 2014
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Good god man do you get what opinions are?
Jun 04th 2014
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Or, you could just ignore me. I'm not going anywhere.
Jun 04th 2014
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      Look at all the quality, civil discussion that was had before you showed...
Jun 04th 2014
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           k
Jun 04th 2014
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he doesn't need to turn heel, but his character should evolve
Jun 04th 2014
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      Remember, until the Taker switch at Mania, Cena was scheduled to lose
Jun 04th 2014
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           i have less of a problem with WM30, moreso the other 2 PPV matches.
Jun 04th 2014
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                Why does Bray have "to be in the main event" to be a top guy?
Jun 04th 2014
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                     i haven't accused you of being a cena mark or apologist
Jun 04th 2014
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                          You know what? Fuck this.
Jun 05th 2014
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                               lol. His response was civil and reasonable, yet you still have a tantrum...
Jun 05th 2014
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                               Not only can you not write succinctly, but apparently you can't even
Jun 05th 2014
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                                    You keep ignoring the part where I don't give a fuck how you feel.
Jun 05th 2014
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                                         Great. You're still typing paragraphs that I'm not gonna read.
Jun 05th 2014
134
                                              civil conversation before you arrived, a clusterfuck since. clear as day...
Jun 05th 2014
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                                                   Like a kid with cookie crumbs on his face saying he didn't eat it
Jun 06th 2014
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                                                        Just ignore him. there's a lot of good speculation to be had right now
Jun 06th 2014
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                               have any of us said he's the only problem?
Jun 05th 2014
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                                    Yeah. He's an easy bailout for Vince and that's hurting them overall.
Jun 05th 2014
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                                         I believe it, although I'm sure they had various heel turns drawn up
Jun 05th 2014
142
So while y'all are (still) bitching about Cena and making shit about me
Jun 04th 2014
108
Further proof all you pay attention to is Cena criticism.
Jun 04th 2014
113
      k
Jun 04th 2014
118
Dbry rehab not going well
Jun 05th 2014
137
Honestly they need to strip him ASAP to lessen any pressure on him
Jun 05th 2014
138
WWE's gotta do an "interim champion" storyline
Jun 05th 2014
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      I'm down if...
Jun 05th 2014
141
Raw SPOILER
Jun 09th 2014
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ugh.
Jun 09th 2014
146
Disappointing news
Jun 09th 2014
147
Am I wrong for being happy for this???
Jun 09th 2014
148
Yeah this has me contemplating buying tickets now
Jun 09th 2014
151
Bittersweet
Jun 09th 2014
149
      Makes no sense the way he has been MIA since mania
Jun 09th 2014
150
sheamus, orton & adr in so far
Jun 09th 2014
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RE: sheamus, orton & adr in so far
Jun 09th 2014
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With those 3, it kinda looks like we may get 2 MITB matches
Jun 09th 2014
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Props to Sandow for fully committing to this shit he's been given
Jun 09th 2014
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RE: Props to Sandow for fully committing to this shit he's been given
Jun 09th 2014
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it's no different than what Charlie Haas was doing years ago.
Jun 10th 2014
163
whew Seth got em mad.
Jun 09th 2014
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I think that may have been his NXT theme
Jun 09th 2014
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RE: whew Seth got em mad.
Jun 09th 2014
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I feel like him winning the belt at MITB could hurt him long term
Jun 09th 2014
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      I like the 2 MiTB thing...
Jun 09th 2014
162
I wish he could go back to the name Tyler Black.
Jun 09th 2014
161
That Ambrose promo though.
Jun 11th 2014
164
I'm pretty much over reigns at this point.
Jun 11th 2014
165
I'm still high on Reigns. Maybe it's that "Big Homie" thing
Jun 11th 2014
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if you could somehow combine all 3 into 1 person
Jun 11th 2014
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      It's all about explosion
Jun 11th 2014
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Reigns is quite clever though...
Jun 11th 2014
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      i think rollins was the right way to go.
Jun 11th 2014
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           Heyman hasn't done a thing for him.
Jun 11th 2014
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                I think it has something to do with match booking too though...
Jun 11th 2014
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                     Well, what I am referring to is the complete lack of any character
Jun 11th 2014
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                          Just so I'm clear on my point...
Jun 12th 2014
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                               But we live in an era of smarter fans where people cheer heels
Jun 12th 2014
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                                    Hmm...
Jun 12th 2014
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                                         example: Wyatt getting cheered is more about people hating Cena.
Jun 12th 2014
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                                              Don't you think there's a distinction (however minor)...
Jun 13th 2014
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RE: That Ambrose promo though.
Jun 12th 2014
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Is it just me, or does Vince inherently favor the Anoa'I family?
Jun 11th 2014
168
It's difficult to know what went wrong with the Hart Dynasty...
Jun 11th 2014
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      IMO they just had a short leash. Anoa'I tend to get time to develop
Jun 11th 2014
176
A day of anniversaries in the WWE
Jun 11th 2014
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They'd never let Cena do that today...
Jun 11th 2014
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      Yup, exactly what Wyatt should have caused too
Jun 11th 2014
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.
Jun 12th 2014
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Nightmare on Jobber Street
Jun 12th 2014
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JTG knows where the bodies are buried
Jun 12th 2014
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ONLY explanation
Jun 12th 2014
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      JTG gone according to reputable reddit source
Jun 12th 2014
199
Genuinely bummed about the end of 3MB
Jun 12th 2014
188
Heath is avoiding all calls from a CT area code today
Jun 12th 2014
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      Oh, absolutely
Jun 12th 2014
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gonna miss seeing Aksana. JTG tho.
Jun 12th 2014
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i liked aksana "teamed" with fox
Jun 18th 2014
226
Always sad when these lists come out...
Jun 13th 2014
205
Curt Hawkins tweet to Mark Henry lol...ya'll see it?
Jun 18th 2014
227
Seems strange to kill 3MB after getting them over the way they have.
Jun 12th 2014
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mahal and mcintyre added nothing to me
Jun 12th 2014
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Ya Slater is the only staple of that group
Jun 12th 2014
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Jun 12th 2014
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RE: Ya Slater is the only staple of that group
Jun 12th 2014
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while i think it would be better for him to move on
Jun 12th 2014
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      That's a brilliant idea, so it won't happen.
Jun 12th 2014
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      I went public...
Jun 14th 2014
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RE: mahal and mcintyre added nothing to me
Jun 12th 2014
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yeah, i always got a kick out of the randomness of this group
Jun 13th 2014
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whatever booker/writer that put 3mb together needs to be ashamed
Jun 18th 2014
221
a few months ago, i called the 3mb was getting over....i forgot who it w...
Jun 17th 2014
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      Most likely me.
Jun 17th 2014
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           they kinda had a mickey whipwreck tommy dreamer thing developing
Jun 18th 2014
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JTG my nigga i hate it had to be him!
Jun 12th 2014
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http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/planet1051.com/files/2014/04/2-63...
Jun 12th 2014
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needs to join TNA and roll with MVP, Lashley and that other dude
Jun 13th 2014
207
shouldn't have broken them up, same with the PTP
Jun 17th 2014
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so uhh...Stardust?
Jun 16th 2014
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loved it.
Jun 16th 2014
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I hated this, but I get it's supposed to be fun
Jun 17th 2014
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      RE: I hated this, but I get it's supposed to be fun
Jun 17th 2014
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      this Stardust thing is gonna cook for Cody. watch.
Jun 18th 2014
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      Remember when Cody was a heel in a Rip Hamilton mask?
Jun 19th 2014
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           Except he is a fun goofy face in the tag division
Jun 19th 2014
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                Hey, at least he's not getting Sandowed
Jun 20th 2014
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MiTB
Jun 17th 2014
216
I hate the whole "he doesn't need the title" cliche
Jun 18th 2014
220
the way they had him talk about the title the other day was good
Jun 18th 2014
228
      Ah okay, I missed this past week's Raw
Jun 18th 2014
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           you didn't miss much.
Jun 18th 2014
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With them bleeding money Cena is taking the belt into Summerslam
Jun 18th 2014
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      RE: With them bleeding money Cena is taking the belt into Summerslam
Jun 18th 2014
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      what about cena chasing the title at summerslam though
Jun 18th 2014
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           Bray playing transitional champ to lose to Cena in 2 months?
Jun 18th 2014
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people say their dream is to be in WWE. i don't see it, even when i wres...
Jun 18th 2014
218
X-Pac ain't get fired because of who he was aligned with
Jun 18th 2014
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it don't even matter if you're the champ...
Jun 19th 2014
253
Feed Me More Ryback is comin back soon right?
Jun 18th 2014
219
We'll see Rydust first
Jun 18th 2014
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      lol, nice
Jun 18th 2014
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so i'm going to MITB
Jun 18th 2014
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I'm still debating. The 2nd MITB match might be what finally gets me the...
Jun 18th 2014
238
I am in there. Can't wait. Liking the card so far.
Jun 18th 2014
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Whatever happens, it's WAY TOO EARLY to put the belt on Reigns
Jun 18th 2014
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HHH will cost Reigns the win in some way
Jun 18th 2014
237
Heel MitB is the only way to go for me...
Jun 18th 2014
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Even if Bryan can survive w/o the title, he deserves it
Jun 18th 2014
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Yeah, you're right, I can see HHH screwing Reigns out of the title
Jun 19th 2014
242
Hard to predict knowing so little about DB's injury
Jun 19th 2014
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I agree
Jun 19th 2014
249
reigns getting screwed...
Jun 19th 2014
252
I agree with your logic regarding Cena and Orton...
Jun 20th 2014
257
the only way I can see it is if rollins wins the briefcase
Jun 19th 2014
244
The WWE Production Crew Issue: Why you should care
Jun 19th 2014
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this is stupid as all hell. wtf Vince.
Jun 19th 2014
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it's crazy that they would even think about this.
Jun 19th 2014
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And it's not even just the costs.
Jun 19th 2014
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      yeah, did they think this through at all?
Jun 19th 2014
250
that company is sh*t to work for lol
Jun 19th 2014
251
Watching Raw live for the first time in a couple months.
Jun 23rd 2014
258
The best part about the Shield splitting is Ambrose gets...
Jun 23rd 2014
259
Seth's gotten good at promos all of the sudden
Jun 23rd 2014
260
That settles the will Stardust be a dumb comedy character question
Jun 23rd 2014
261
Know what happens when everyone's SUPER SERIOUS? TNA.
Jun 23rd 2014
263
      I agree, Cody just deserves better
Jun 24th 2014
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           meh. I'm fine with him not being Sarcastic Douchey Face #453
Jun 24th 2014
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Cody unleashing his inner drag queen is awesome to watch.
Jun 23rd 2014
262
"...just like your racist, constantly-losing NFL team"
Jun 23rd 2014
264
THAT....SH*T...WAS...GREAT!
Jun 24th 2014
275
very cluttered ppv send off raw main event
Jun 23rd 2014
265
summerslam can't come soon enough.
Jun 23rd 2014
266
so do they just ignore Ziggler pops or what?
Jun 23rd 2014
267
RE: so do they just ignore Ziggler pops or what?
Jun 24th 2014
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Also, Dolph has gotten himself slapped on the wrist a few times
Jun 24th 2014
274
match of the night ...
Jun 27th 2014
290
Did they turn Big E into some sort of patriotic preacher tonight?
Jun 24th 2014
269
mitb title predictions
Jun 24th 2014
270
I'm 98% sure Cena is winning
Jun 24th 2014
272
      You right (c) Killa Cam
Jun 24th 2014
281
           I think we get Rollins vs Ambrose at Summerslam
Jun 24th 2014
282
2 of the best divas are black.
Jun 24th 2014
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the 2 best divas are black.
Jun 24th 2014
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      I take it Paige ain't your snow bunny?
Jun 24th 2014
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           lol i didnt notice that. i did peep King stealing a glance
Jun 24th 2014
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                he actually joked about it on twitter too
Jun 24th 2014
283
                     No, Jerry doesn't have to go.
Jun 25th 2014
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                          what has he added to commentary recently?
Jun 25th 2014
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                               I don't understand the question.
Jun 27th 2014
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                               RE: I don't understand the question.
Jun 27th 2014
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                                    Er...you want them to hire JR back?
Jun 27th 2014
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                                         nice strawman
Jun 27th 2014
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                                              First, I'm not sure you know what "strawman" means.
Jun 27th 2014
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                                                   RE: First, I'm not sure you know what "strawman" means.
Jun 27th 2014
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                               king has been no worse than jbl or cole.
Jun 27th 2014
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                                    i'm not opposed to a commentary shake-up
Jun 27th 2014
294
how did they NOT show the replay of naomi's finish?
Jun 24th 2014
280
Swagger hurt BNB's shoulder.
Jun 24th 2014
284
he STAYS gettin hurt right before MITB.
Jun 24th 2014
285
Is that why he toothed Dolph?
Jun 25th 2014
287
      "Classic Swags" -Dolph
Jun 25th 2014
289
they're lucky this is a great PPV, cause they haven't set it up well.
Jun 27th 2014
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RE: they're lucky this is a great PPV, cause they haven't set it up well...
Jun 29th 2014
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      I hope to be entertained overall ...
Jun 29th 2014
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Cash-ins ranked...
Jun 29th 2014
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Y2Flound
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1. "And a late addition of 2 more matches to make it even more like Raw"
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Bo Dallas vs Kofi announced at 7:58 to Booker T only on the pre show. What a great TV match being put on at PPV with on build up

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "well that's how you ruin a pretty good match."
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fuckin small package.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Flash80
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4. "not a sheamus fan, but i thought the finish worked."
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all the marks were expecting the wash-rinse-repeat clean pin after the swing.

cesaro with heyman is getting kinda stale.

  

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Ceej
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3. "Why did Cesaro & rusev lose their first names?"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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Y2Flound
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6. "Just condensing, did the same thing with Big E"
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Flash80
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5. "lana though."
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am i supposed to actually care what rusev's doing as long as she's on camera?

  

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Y2Flound
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7. "This is a great episode of Smackdown"
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BrooklynWHAT
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8. "you gotta bolieve that it's gonna get better though."
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9. "Its a good thing I only paid $9.99 for this...."
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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10. "Steph mentioning Punk?"
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Guess he really ain't comin back

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adam
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11. "Stephanie flipping that Punk chant on the crowd was great"
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She's really the best heel going right now.

  

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12. "Yeah, that was masterful crowd control."
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14. "Yeah it surprisingly shut them up, LOL"
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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BrooklynWHAT
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13. "is that the first time steph has gotten smacked "
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while she's been on this character?

long overdue.

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15. "'swig of beer for the sound guy botching the uso's music early."
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$9.99

  

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16. "i liked that stair throw."
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17. "Yo! Cena throwing the stairs out of the ring right at Bray was nuts!"
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and Bray's hit two really dope looking Sister Abigail's so far.

  

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18. "please god no more bray/cena"
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quit while you can still salvage the wyatts.

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19. "Appropriate that Wyatt loses in a makeshift coffin"
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Because Cena has buried him for about 3 months

  

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20. "Ha! And JBL just said it!"
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21. "Okay, I really enjoyed that match. All six dudes involved brought it"
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I think that's a perfectly fine way to wrap up Cena/Bray.

Not sure where each guy goes from now, if they are done with this feud, but wherever Bray goes, I hope they let Harper do more. Luke Harper is becoming one of my favorite wrestlers on the roster.

  

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22. "Paige looks like ass, why is she Divas champ again?"
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25. "She's probably the best female wrestler they've had in 15 years at least"
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not sure if you mean looks like ass in terms of her ability or because she doesn't look like the other women wrestlers looks wise.

  

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29. "RE: She's probably the best female wrestler they've had in 15 years at l..."
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Or the fact that she got her ass kicked for 10 minutes, hit a few clotheslines and locked in a submission.

That's been most of her matches. She's obviously talented but they're making her look like a weak champ

  

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30. "Well that's not her fault, I just answered why she's champ"
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32. "*LOL* c'mon man."
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I know that isn't saying a lot about the Divas division, but she's not better than Nora Greenwald (Molly Holly). She's not better than Trish, or Natalya, or Mickie James, or Gail Kim.

She's not even the best wrestler today, much less the best so far this century. And considering she hasn't had the chance to show any personality or depth character-wise, there's really no reason why Alicia Fox shouldn't have won the title tonight, other than upside.
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34. "Did you watch NXT during her rise? Yes she is"
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She has more wrestling talent than all of those women save maybe Gail Kim who also was not that interesting to watch either.

  

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45. "well, if we're being really real, the best wrestler is the one training"
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it's SDR by several country miles.

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67. "I thought she was a trainer. Not training?"
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And Del Ray is good too. As far as the women's independents (particularly in SHIMMER), I thought Cheerleader Melissa was the best out of all of them. Her and that Japanese chick that comes to SHIMMER every once in a while.
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75. "That's what I meant, but char. cutoff on subject lines"
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The one training THE REST. Not just "the one training."

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66. "Gail Kim in WWE wasn't interesting, but in TNA..."
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she was the best women's wrestler in the U.S., if not the world.

And I've watched a bit of Paige on NXT. She was good. But I don't see how anyone could get excited for her being on the WWE roster, especially in the way Creative is portraying her now.

Maybe she needs to be a little more like her crazy assed mom.
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23. "I actually just nodded off during this Shield/Evolution match, zzzzz...."
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24. "great main event"
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it got awkward when they were whipping reigns.

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27. "Rollins looked like he got hurt on that dive"
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Looking at the replay only thing I think I could see was landing on his ankle wrong, but he seemed to have a limp for the rest of the match after it.

May have been no big deal, but he seemed actually hurt to me.

  

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26. "They could do that match every month for all I care"
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Man that was fun


Lord knows where the Shield goes next, but they're still just SO enjoyable.

  

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28. "I thought that was a solid show"
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The card didn't have me too excited, but they pretty much just let people beat the shit out of each other for a few hours, which works for me.

I did sort of tune out the Rusev/Big E match, and once Kane came out for Koffi/Bo I stopped paying attention, so I don't know if they cleared up why he came out there or not. Uutside of ignoring those two matches, though, I had a good time with everything else.

  

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31. "RE: I thought that was a solid show"
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>The card didn't have me too excited, but they pretty much
>just let people beat the shit out of each other for a few
>hours, which works for me.
>
>I did sort of tune out the Rusev/Big E match, and once Kane
>came out for Koffi/Bo I stopped paying attention, so I don't
>know if they cleared up why he came out there or not. Uutside
>of ignoring those two matches, though, I had a good time with
>everything else.

These were some ps2 smackdown heyday ass matches. And just like on those games, Evolution broke the Shawn michaels rule of winning matches...you have to try to win the match to win the match....otherwise, you are walking from spot to spot and someone is gonna catch you slippin with a quick special and it's over.

I swear...HHH keeps on laying down, selling a lot, and being involved in good matches, etc. Dang!

Hoss fight x 2. Cool. Cesaro vs sheamus is gonna be the goods...hoss! Take away Lana and russev would be koslov status awreddy. As it stands, look at that broad again and ignore that lame ass super Steiner recliner.

Cena wins. Water is wet. The uso help doesn't make me feel any better about the Wyatts losing again.

Slap and I quit = steff outsmarted? C'mon now. That Daniel Bryan 2000 scsa raw 'I'm keeping this tittle y'all' shit is just ehh. It is like they flat out don't know what they are gonna do with him...like his health is still in question and they don't wanna make any moves...hence the stalling. Just give me the shady commish/boss forced title defense, a protected bump of some kind, and get that dude outta that spot until he's healthy again. He can show up and ruin shit for the heels without wrestling until he's okay to lose the neck brace and knee someone in the face.

  

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35. "yeah, i was pleasantly surprised too."
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cena and wyatt had their best match yet (that ending though... ugh). likewise for shield-evolution. everything else was pretty solid. seemed like they got in a bunch of matches too.

  

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40. "Nah, he's actually doing what's best for business here. "
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>Shocked by the Shield's clean sweep - I think HHH has buried
>himself a bit too much since Mania: Bryan should've beat him
>with a roll up instead of a submission I think (submitting is
>like an exclamation point on the win - there's no questions
>left unanwasered there if the guy taps), and bearing in mind
>the clean sweep, I think Evolution should've won the last PPV
>match with Shield.

IMO it's better to portray The Shield as the ultimate bad asses in the company right now, and two straight victories over Evolution goes a long way in cementing them not only as big time, Stone Cold level tough guys, but also as the top faces in the company. Two straight victories, particularly this last one in the way that it was done, are something of an exclamation mark on that portrayal if you ask me.

Especially if they're serious about giving Reigns a big-time coronation at Mania next year, this was the right move IMO. I say keep them together and keep them as babyface anti-heroes in the Stone Cold vein until the wheels fall off.

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42. "Ya, everytime people think a break up is coming they just get stronger"
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And people are eating it up so there is no reason to change it.

Heel turns are really meant to help move a storyline or character that needs a mix up and an extra push.

The Shield get hotter every single month, they will peak eventually but let them peak and let people tire of them being a dominant bad ass group before you ruin it.

  

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33. "Surprised by a lot of the results..."
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I give Batista a lot of credit though - coming back with the promise of a Rumble win followed by a Mania title crown must be hard to pass up but he adapted well to teh changed plans and played his part so credit to him.

Shocked by the Shield's clean sweep - I think HHH has buried himself a bit too much since Mania: Bryan should've beat him with a roll up instead of a submission I think (submitting is like an exclamation point on the win - there's no questions left unanwasered there if the guy taps), and bearing in mind the clean sweep, I think Evolution should've won the last PPV match with Shield.

Cena/Wyatt feud went on too long and I think hasn't ended in the way it should have - seeing Cena unleash this "monster" for a moment would've been perfect. I was convinced he was going t lock himself in the cage with Bray and beat him bloody then instantly regret his actions while Bray laughs. Seemed perfect to me.

Bryan's post-Mania has also been very unfortunate - an unispired feud with Kane then the unfortunate neck injury. Hopefully he'll be cleared to wrestle soon and they can steer things back on track. I vote for a Lesnar match at SummerSlam!

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36. "That's how Cena/Wyatt should have ended, there was 0% chance"
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Cenas gonna Cena

  

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37. "that feud benefitted neither party whatsoever."
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38. "Nope and it went exactly like we knew it would"
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Cena wins at Mania, Bray wins rematch, Cena wins last man standing because he never gives up.

No character change for Cena whatsoever, now Bray looks weaker and his already starting to be less interesting by singing Whole world in his hands every single week.

They need to give Bray something great quickly

  

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39. "It's incredible how much they messed this up"
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this feud could have been great, but instead we got an invincible insult comic vs. a monster who never looked like a monster. cena could lose to wyatt and other young heels for a few months and STILL enter the main event like it was nothing. there's literally no reason to have wyatt lose. they should have at least had him win a feud against a lesser opponent in the meantime before dealing with cena. where does he go from here? he already picked a fight with the top face and got pounded. didn't even really get in his head either.

  

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41. "RE: bryan needs to drop the strap or go heel"
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the fact that he can't defend & came out and did a 'raw segment' on a ppv is weak
is wwe actual scared of innanet backlash if they strip him
going heel would be a stretch, but by babyface logic how can he keep the strap & not defend it? a heel wouldn't have a problem with this

  

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43. ""
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in the last few years.

I’ve been highly annoyed at the way he’s constantly inserted himself into the storylines of everyone who is about to bubble to the top instead of elevating someone else in the process, but I have to admit that he’s done the job enough with these guys to warrant considerable respect for it.

Still, the Barrets, Zigglers, Sheamus, etc of the company could have been used and also been elevated by having an equal spotlight in those feuds instead of Hunter. They could have built up a monster roster during this time. Time and again I read about WWE worries when whoever their top dog is out (Cena, Punk, Bryan, etc) because they’re “thin” on star power.

They have plenty of star power that is rarely tapped to shine, and that’s the issue. They’ve even dropped the ball with Cesaro as a Heyman guy, since all Heyman does is that annoying ass MYCLIENTBROCKLESNARCONQUEREDTHESTREAMATWRESTLEMANIA!!!!!!!! Bullshit every time out. He was WHITE fucking hot after Mania and while he’s still got these crowds behind him, he’s an afterthought as far as the story has been, because for all the awesome hoss we get in a feud with he and Sheamus, they’ve built it up poorly. Bray has taken a hit as well with a boring ass feud.

There’s so much talent in this generation of wrestlers that can easily be amped up into something special, but Vince is missing the boat on a lot of shit. Fans had to overwhelm every show and Punk had to quit for Bryan to get his push. The only thing I really see them as doing well is The Shield, who have been booked to perfection- yes, perfection, just pure, minimally blemished, sparkling perfection- from the beginning, and they’ve more than held up their end of that bargain.

The rest has been a fucking mess. Even now, looking at a guy like Ziggler, a guy like Sandow, a guy like Cody, who have been reduced to scrub status in terms of their booking, would make for a killer stable of ‘disgruntled guys’, a faction that was once rumored to include Miz, Dolph, and Ryder. There’s a lot that can be done, and while Hunter and Vince and Steph all know the business inside and out, they’re so caught up in the mechanics of everything that they’re missing the boat on a ton of talent that could really elevate the company back into another golden age, though of a somewhat lesser degree than ages past. It’s a damn shame.

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44. "HHH's reputation for burying people is way overblown"
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He's done it, don't get me wrong, we can all name guys he has done it to.

Thing is so has every top guy at some point, it's what happens in an ego driven business full of alpha males who are given too much power in decision making.

But as a non full time wrestler who is no longer out to worry about his legacy, HHH has put guys over again and again. Yes he inserts himself more than he has to as you said, but he always makes these guys look good in the end.

The other thing with HHH that I think he never gets credit for that is kind of tied to all of this, is that he never left. In an era where business was booming and there was almost always a star outshining him, he stayed. He didn't leave to do movies (probably not all his decision), he didn't jump ship for more money, he didn't take his ball and go home when he felt disrespected. He was always there everytime they needed someone, and I think that goes a long way to explaining how much time he got to be on top even when he wasn't always the #1 guy in terms of popularity.

Just my thought as well, but I think HHH has been amazing for the business, and has a bad rep for doing nothing more than everyone before him did and people after him will continue to do given the chance.

  

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47. "I'm with you on all that. "
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I'm just irked at the way so much talent is being wasted right today. It's incredible. Everyone doesn't need a title push, and Hunter has been a huge net positive in his continued presence, but I see so many stars that the *people* love getting lost in the shuffle.

Ziggler is still crazy over when we see him, but how often do we see him these days?

We can still have compelling stories and matches throughout the card.

Raw is three hours. That's a bloated timeframe, however they actually have enough talent to make that fly by if they wanted to use that talent the right way.

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51. "Yea the biggest issue is only focusing short term"
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They will give a guy a gimmick and start to push him but they don't invest in it.

Basically the same shit that kept Bryan off the top for so long until they were forced to put him there. They push a guy and he is over but the ratings dont jump up the day he wins, merch sales don't pass Cena that week and they knock him back down.

They don't establish long term plans with anyone which is what makes the Shield's rise so remarkable- though I don't think this was the long term plan, more of another forced hand due to the sheer greatness of how it was going, I think we were supposed to see them break up around Rumble time and heading into Mania.

Just their classic method though, start to push a guy and then bail on him when he isn't the next superstar overnight. It's like they forget how many incarnations guys like HHH, The Rock and Austin failed or slowly rose to superstar level through and just want everyone to be a megastar right now or never.

  

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54. "i was hoping the network would make them more patient"
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since they're not relying on PPV buy numbers, but that hasn't happened yet. they've only had patience with the shield storylines, and even that was a destined break-up until people loved them too much.

  

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49. "I agree but..."
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I feel like it was at least a little easier for HHH to stay since he didn't get hot until 98 at the earliest. And by 99, it was getting to be obvious that WCW was going down and not the place to be migrating to if you had a forreal future..unless you were in ECW, tired of not getting paid, and wanted something to do to get your price up for when you headed to Japan (Mike Awesome). Jericho was jobbing like crazy in WCW on his way out, the Radicals were getting ready to do their thing (it is crazy how the story was that there were several more guys in that group at the beginning and then some folks ended up staying), Giant/Show was stagnant and rolling out too, etc. Arquette and Disco were winning titles and shit...it was TNA x 3 outta control.

And yes...HHH was getting nearly outrageous wins during that time when Rock, Austin and even abduction/goth/squirrelly Taker were easily bigger. And of course Foley's run had a lot of traction at the time based on the fact that he was filling the 'unlikely hero' role. And he was getting killed at almost every big match. I'm interested in people's impression of Foley's run 15 years later.

But I'll admit...perhaps WWF had it right with HHH that time. They certainly needed another guy...Taker was constantly hurting and locked into some pretty crazy/dead-end (hehe) stories, Austin was damn near crippled and not the easiest guy to work with allegedly, Rock was a lock for a Hollywood divorce from wrestling...they had to have someone else. And shiiid...HBK was a damaged druggy asshole of a guy in 98. AND they had lost Bret...seemingly forever after Montreal and Owen.

And yep...H is a wrestling guy through and through. And now that he's showing a Brazil amount of ass all the time because it makes sense, it is impossible to ignore him. This last run is the best favor he's done to his legacy maybe ever.

Jimaveli

>He's done it, don't get me wrong, we can all name guys he has
>done it to.
>
>Thing is so has every top guy at some point, it's what happens
>in an ego driven business full of alpha males who are given
>too much power in decision making.
>
>But as a non full time wrestler who is no longer out to worry
>about his legacy, HHH has put guys over again and again. Yes
>he inserts himself more than he has to as you said, but he
>always makes these guys look good in the end.
>
>The other thing with HHH that I think he never gets credit for
>that is kind of tied to all of this, is that he never left. In
>an era where business was booming and there was almost always
>a star outshining him, he stayed. He didn't leave to do movies
>(probably not all his decision), he didn't jump ship for more
>money, he didn't take his ball and go home when he felt
>disrespected. He was always there everytime they needed
>someone, and I think that goes a long way to explaining how
>much time he got to be on top even when he wasn't always the
>#1 guy in terms of popularity.
>
>Just my thought as well, but I think HHH has been amazing for
>the business, and has a bad rep for doing nothing more than
>everyone before him did and people after him will continue to
>do given the chance.

  

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50. "There are always a million external factors that add up to success. "
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>I feel like it was at least a little easier for HHH to stay
>since he didn't get hot until 98 at the earliest. And by 99,
>it was getting to be obvious that WCW was going down and not
>the place to be migrating to if you had a forreal
>future..unless you were in ECW, tired of not getting paid, and
>wanted something to do to get your price up for when you
>headed to Japan (Mike Awesome). Jericho was jobbing like crazy
>in WCW on his way out, the Radicals were getting ready to do
>their thing (it is crazy how the story was that there were
>several more guys in that group at the beginning and then some
>folks ended up staying), Giant/Show was stagnant and rolling
>out too, etc. Arquette and Disco were winning titles and
>shit...it was TNA x 3 outta control.
>
>And yes...HHH was getting nearly outrageous wins during that
>time when Rock, Austin and even abduction/goth/squirrelly
>Taker were easily bigger. And of course Foley's run had a lot
>of traction at the time based on the fact that he was filling
>the 'unlikely hero' role. And he was getting killed at almost
>every big match. I'm interested in people's impression of
>Foley's run 15 years later.
>
>But I'll admit...perhaps WWF had it right with HHH that time.
>They certainly needed another guy...Taker was constantly
>hurting and locked into some pretty crazy/dead-end (hehe)
>stories, Austin was damn near crippled and not the easiest guy
>to work with allegedly, Rock was a lock for a Hollywood
>divorce from wrestling...they had to have someone else. And
>shiiid...HBK was a damaged druggy asshole of a guy in 98. AND
>they had lost Bret...seemingly forever after Montreal and
>Owen.
>
>And yep...H is a wrestling guy through and through. And now
>that he's showing a Brazil amount of ass all the time because
>it makes sense, it is impossible to ignore him. This last run
>is the best favor he's done to his legacy maybe ever.

-If:

- Austin never gets fired from WCW
-the Rock actually made it in football
-Steroid use was never an issue

The landscape of pro wrestling in the mid-to-late 90’s is so different
Then we get to things like the Curtain Call, which directly lead to Austin’s big 3:16 moment because that was slated to be Hunter’s spot, but since he was the only guy Vince could really punish, he lost that planned push.

Basically, so many events directly lead to other events and an absolute storm of lightening allowed a lot of it to get bottled for a lot of people, and here we are. I don’t fault Hunter or downgrade his presence for essentially being Option D, because that’s how most of this shit pans out anyways.

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46. "spot on."
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though i think heyman has been great and has transferred Lesnar's heat well. I just think the booking for Cesaro has been bad. They started out pushing him as a face despite his manager but have since gone back on that. He's gotten some cheap wins against people no one cares about. Needs more feats of strength and such. he hasn't looked like a beast yet.

everything else you said is dead on. wwe is creating all the problems it frets about, then still looks perplexed that it has problems.

  

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48. "I'm cool with Heyman being Heyman and pushing the Lesnar heat."
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>though i think heyman has been great and has transferred
>Lesnar's heat well.

Agreed. That's fine if Heyman is coming out to do that work in a vaccuum. It's hindering Cesaro in the process though, and that's why I'm sick of the "MY CLIENT, BROCK LESNAR....." rant, because it's wildly out of place with Cesaro standing there each time.

>I just think the booking for Cesaro has
>been bad. They started out pushing him as a face despite his
>manager but have since gone back on that. He's gotten some
>cheap wins against people no one cares about. Needs more feats
>of strength and such. he hasn't looked like a beast yet.

^^^^^^that's where I break with Heyman's presence right now.

>everything else you said is dead on. wwe is creating all the
>problems it frets about, then still looks perplexed that it
>has problems.

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52. "They need a Lesnar/Cesaro team if they want to do that"
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Only makes sense to keep plugging Lesnar around Cesaro if they are buddies.

I mean it seems the obvious end game here is Cesaro gets sick of Heyman plugging Lesnar so much more than him which leads to the feud we all want to see, but you can also do that by having them be friends and destroy people together as well....guessing it's just Lesnar's limited schedule that prevents it.

  

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53. "Cesaro just had a tag team break-up like this though"
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>I mean it seems the obvious end game here is Cesaro gets sick
>of Heyman plugging Lesnar so much more than him which leads to
>the feud we all want to see, but you can also do that by
>having them be friends and destroy people together as
>well....

granted people will care more with lesnar than swagger, but it would still be a rehash

  

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56. "There's only so many wrestling storylines, it's the players that make it"
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Shield also just had a feud with another 3 man stable

How many people have fought back against the boss since Stone Cold?

How many tag teams slowly break up during a losing streak because 1 guy is sick of the other?

There are very few never been done angles, it's a matter of doing them well to make people care.

  

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57. "but it's the same story for the same guy"
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RIGHT after they did the original story. i don't mind different takes on the same angles, because there's really only a few ways to do a feud, but that would be too similar/too soon.

  

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58. "It's really the opposite which could be a cool take on it"
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He just had a tag partner get sick of taking a backseat to him which resulted in the jealous partner becoming more heel

You could have this go a way where the team keeps winning but Cesaro is doing all the work, Lesnar is only showing up occasionally, doing his contractual obligations but letting Cesaro carry him while living off of his WM moment.

Cesaro also has what was supposed to be a big WM moment too which was basically dropped so he can use that too.

I mean it's similar in that a tag team broke up but it's not the same. Plus if it happens now it's obvious, but if they got together, teamed together for 6 months and had a feud from Rumble to Mania season nobody is going to be mad that it happened a year ago.

  

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55. "They don't need them to team up to work this angle. "
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>I mean it seems the obvious end game here is Cesaro gets sick
>of Heyman plugging Lesnar so much more than him which leads to
>the feud we all want to see, but you can also do that by
>having them be friends and destroy people together as
>well....guessing it's just Lesnar's limited schedule that
>prevents it.

Nah, they don't need to be friends. IMO they can pull that off just fine the way they've been doing it. I think the end game will be a net benefit to Cesaro. They just happen to have made the process weak, boring and kind of lame.

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59. "Not sure which I want to see less:"
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Daniel Bryan vs. Kane in a STRETCHER MATCH!!!!??!?!!!?? or John Cena coming out and defending Daniel Bryan anymore. Dammit, I did not enjoy that segment.

A six-man Money in the Bank for the vacated title sounds like it could be nuts. I want Bryan back in the ring, but if my options are Bryan-Kane in whatever the fuck a stretcher match is, or a six-man ladder match for the title, that's a pretty easy decision on my end. If they put the belt on a heel (Batista especially), thus taking it away from Bryan again, whenever he returns to take back his title, won't the crowd be hot as shit again for Bryan? Seems like that'd be an okay option, but whatever. I don't know.

  

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65. "I am going to Money in the Bank...i hope DB doesn't come back..."
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I rather see Money in the Bank for the strap...

  

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70. "I thought that segment had Stephanie written all over it."
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That was the best heel segment Stephanie's ever done, and one of the best anyone's done this year.
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60. "Should I bother watching Payback?"
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68. "Only the last man standing match."
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It really was as good as they're hyping it up to be.

Shield/Evolution was good too, although I thought they booked it poorly.
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61. "Damn. Did not see that coming"
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62. "Can't have nothing nice..."
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I'm sure it can be okay because folks who can wrestle are involved and there's always Sting showing up to point bats at folks who do wrong shit. But c'mon.

  

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63. "well it was fun while it lasted!"
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64. "THIS IS FUCKING DEVASTATING"
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(And brilliant)




NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!




(why is EVERYTHING else dogshit?)





  

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69. "I'll give Trips a moment to see what he does with Rollins."
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I really haven't heard him having any personal interest in him, especially to the point that he did bringing up guys like Batista, Orton, Sheamus, etc, where it was obvious that the rub from him and Flair helped them gain a knowledge about the business that helped propel their careers at given times.

But if he's willing to take Rollins under his wing in a way, and not simply make him the job guy in Evolution feuds and matches, then it may help Rollins get the rub that he needs. At his best, Rollins's ability matches Shawn Michaels (and no; I'm not saying Rollins is as good as Michaels when he went singles) but he doesn't have even close to Michaels's charisma. If he can make him into something that fans care about - and even a main eventer - it could be considered a big feather in Triple H's cap.

But does Trips see Rollins as a project, and can he keep Vince from jobbing him out? Those are the primary questions here.
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72. "such a shame it happened but I guess it was inevitable..."
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At least it was delayed a while so they could have a short face run which was great although I would've liked for them to be kept together for maybe one more feud.

Thinking about it, I'm almost surprised that HHH hadn't secured Ambrose AND Rollins?!

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87. "but who was left to face, though?"
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Yeah; my initial reaction was that it wasn't built up and wasn't planned either. But when you look at the heel landscape, there really isn't anyone left for The SHIELD to beat as a tandem, and there was slim pickings for them to begin with. So now was as good of time as any to get them to focus on singles competition.
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71. "FUCK. I had to go and open my fucking mouth. DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN "
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fuck fuck fuck shit fuck damn fuck shit gawdammitmotherfuckercocksuckingfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckFUCK!

That was just about the biggest swerve they could have possibly pulled, and from out of nowhere at that. There's something to be said about not waiting for things to go stale, and that fucked me up.

I'm salty as fuck over this, but... I get it. The Shield brought out that child-sized fan in me in this is a major betrayal. If they play their cards right, this can be Seth's 'Marty Moment', except I highly doubt Reigns or Ambrose turn into Marty.

I'm still mad as fuck though.

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73. "Would u add Ziggler to the Shield and keep it movin?"
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Because I mean if anyone has an ax to grind about what's "just" it's him.

  

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74. "RE: Would u add Ziggler to the Shield and keep it movin?"
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>Because I mean if anyone has an ax to grind about what's
>"just" it's him.

He'd probably need some hair dye and of course a wardrobe change. Wrestling-wise, it is a similar swap. But Dolph might be too much of a lone dog character to be bought into quickly. Who knows how long the shield has now. My guess is Ambrose is gonna sell out next and soon (summerslam at the latest...next Monday if they want full chaos and innanet madness) to leave Reigns alone to set up him getting his ass whooped all fall like Daniel Bryan last year.

You know how it is with factions..once you start swapping folks, you're bound to end up with a Paul Roma. Or a Mongo. Or a...you get it. Unless they let a new shield breathe and maybe reveal in Sting as the sage behind it all the whole time, it might be best if they let it die because of greed and hopes of single stardom. With that storyline, it makes sense that Tyler Black would look at the other two guys and think he's up a creek when they split. HHH can say he offered the Batista package, and we can get some American Dragon vs Tyler Black matches. It makes sense if they pay it off with good matches.

  

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76. "Ziggler's personality doesn't fit with the Shield at all"
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I think this is basically the end of the Shield. They'll be a duo for a while. After Summerslam when Rollins beats Ambrose and Reigns beats HHH that will start the Reigns monster push and not sure what happens to Ambrose at that point.

  

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77. "You're probably right"
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Would be the most opportune time to bring Punk in as a mystery 3rd man in a 6 man tag at Money in the Bank though!!!

  

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86. "ambrose is the one guy i'm curious to see in a singles program..."
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maybe 'cause of brian pillman comparisons.

  

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89. "I think ultimately Ambrose is overrated."
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He can work, but it's not spectacular. He has personality, but I can see him getting lost in the Intercontinental title picture pretty quickly if Creative can't find him a great angle/feud to be involved in.
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93. "He is in position to be odd man out right now"
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Like I said, I imagine we get a Rollins vs Ambrose feud and Reigns vs HHH.

Have to assume Rollins gets the win over Ambrose in the feud so that his heel turn has a purpose, so at that point Ambrose is out his stable and a de facto 3rd ranking of the 3.

Could easily see him in that Cody Rhodes territory after that where he is always there to do great work but probably never getting a major push. Could not happen also, but based on the trajectory I guessed that is where he would end up.

  

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78. "can't say i support this, but i am gonna watch"
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i'm glad there was a thing i didn't see coming at all though. that hasn't happened in a while.

  

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81. "Part of perfect booking means ending before you have to"
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We have talked for 2 years how perfectly booked the Shield has been all along, we have also predicted multiple break ups and turns among members and have been wrong every time.

Within the last few days we started talking about how they aren't going to break up because they are red hot, and then they hit us with the break up.

I'm sad to see it end, but part of this stable being perfect start to finish also means it ended before we got sick of it and begged for it to happen and then saw it coming every step of the way. Hats off to them, now just hope they don't blow it with these 3 guys.

  

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83. "agreed, I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic on this one."
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though i find myself saying that a lot in these threads.

  

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79. "Nice swerve"
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Still don't have much faith that they know what they're doing, but let's see

I was once again ready to give you guys shit for ONCE AGAIN shitting on Cena for winning that Payback match... but I'd rather focus on how, yet again, Cena stepped up and delivered another high-quality money match in Chicago... but we mad.

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80. "The issue isn't whether Cena can work a high-quality match."
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We know he can. He's a good worker. Plenty of good matches to his name.

>Cena stepped up and delivered
>another high-quality money match in Chicago... but we mad.

The issue is that nobody over the age of 12 gives a shit.

  

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82. "Not only that, but the feud win did nothing for him"
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But it could potentially do a lot of damage to Wyatt's character.

A feud that big involving one of your young blue chippers and a guy who doesn't need any boosts is supposed to help boost the blue chipper, not just reaffirm that the main eventer is still great.

  

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88. "That L is going to do ZERO damage to Bray's career/push."
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I mean, think about HOW he lost the match, guys.

And all that other shit y'all crying about has been rehashed to fucking death; can't really waste any further energy on it at this point.

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92. "True, losing to Cena has never stopped anybody's heat"
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90. "Bray will be fine."
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He has a gimmick where they can literally put him in with anyone and come up with ideas for him as an antagonist. Just don't turn the Wyatts face, because they are short on heels at the moment.
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91. "Well he is 0 for 2 in his major feuds"
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You can only be the losing antagonist in major feuds so many times before nobody expects anything from you.

  

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94. "Didn't Bray win the feud with Bryan?"
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95. "I believe the end was Bryan on the cage leading the yes chant"
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Was there a payoff match after that Bray won?

  

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97. "I think Rumble was after that, no?"
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Bray beat him at Rumble.

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99. "You are correct. Bray did beat him at the Rumble. "
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And even if that "0-2" stat were true, the fucker's only gotten bigger since then. And this also includes a WrestleMania loss. But I guess all of those cellphones and crowd sing-alongs since that L are just some Kevin Dunn-produced visual and audio effects magic, right, guys? That damn Cena is holding him back in a big way!

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101. "Forgot about rumble"
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This however does still not change that the feud did nothing to actually grow the Wyatt or Cena character.

Is Wyatt super over now? Yes, not sure what that has to do with anything I'm saying.

Plus let's not even get started on the way WWE is taking this Whole world in his hands thing that started organically and running it into the ground as quick as possible.

  

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103. "lol oh for Christ's sake"
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>This however does still not change that the feud did nothing
>to actually grow the Wyatt or Cena character.

What does this even mean? This is one of the standard arguments I read that irritates me.

The Undertaker never "grew" or fucking "changed" over the years. He "changed" outfits, theme music, and props (a bike, the urn, his wife at the time, Paul Bearer), and went heel a couple of times, but what you're describing doesn't even apply. Cena's not going to "grow" or "change." We're not talking about fucking Don Draper here. The only "change" that one should be talking about in wrestling is "babyface" or "heel." Any other shit is extraneous flowery talk that adds up to nothing in particular.

And how was this "growth" and "change" supposed to be marked? Was Cena supposed to come out one night and cut a promo in which he literally says, "Bray Wyatt, I might have beaten you, but I'ma tell you something, son, I grew and changed because of you?" lol GTFOH

I'm sorry, but if you want to say "I'm just mad because John Cena flirted with being 'edgy' while feuding with Bray Wyatt but ultimately didn't," then please just say THAT shit. Stop trying to talk in creative terms that don't fit.


>Is Wyatt super over now? Yes, not sure what that has to do
>with anything I'm saying.

*glares at camera*


>Plus let's not even get started on the way WWE is taking this
>Whole world in his hands thing that started organically and
>running it into the ground as quick as possible.

How exactly did this happen? Is it even happening? Is WWE Shop suddenly selling "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" t-shirts to capitalize on this new thing? (no need to look, the answer is no)

Showing people and kids singing the song in the highlight packages leading to Cena/Wyatt matches, or having Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler mention that people are signing along with Bray is NOT evidence that they're "running it into the ground as quickly as possible." What it actually is is... wait for it... a part of the storyline!

Did we not miss the whole idea that Cena was worried about how people were "falling under the sway of Bray Wyatt," and part of that was mentioning the sing-alongs? Or are we just upset because Kevin Dunn cut away to people singing it during matches, and further upset because the announcers didn't just ignore it, which somehow would have made it still feel more "organic?"

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96. "vs. the WWE Champion and the #1 guy."
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He was never going to get the best of either of them. But they were still entertaining feuds due to the stuff they came up with.

He should be set up to get over on the next feud though. I could see him winning the U.S. Title over Sheamus, or something like that.
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102. "That doesn't feel like a step down to you?"
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Guy just feuded with their top 2 stars and was getting main event level heat. Now he is feuding for the US title and holding a belt that sometimes I forget even exists?

  

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127. "Dude hasn't been a Wyatt for even a year."
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Let him grow. This is a building process to further develop his character. He shouldn't be WWE Champion yet.
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84. "did y'all hear that fan scream out "NOOOOOO!" right before the impact?"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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85. "I noticed it last night & rewound it like 10 times"
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Dude screamed like his moms was the one getting hit with that chair.
I was cracking up

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98. "Why are they pushing Kane vs Bryan??"
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Just makes no sense to me...

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100. "Because Bryan's neck surgery has fouled up whatever they "
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had planned for him.

He had one title defense against Kane, and had he remained healthy, the blowoff match between the two of them would have been at Payback. But Bryan's neck surgery has thrown a monkey wrench into whatever they had planned for him this summer.

The plan after that was for him to come back and do the Kane blowoff at Money in the Bank, but now that's in jeopardy, as they still don't know if he'll be ready, which is why Steffy said what she said on Monday. That whole thing is legit; they apparently "got some bad news" and legitimately don't know if he's going to be ready to wrestle on June 29. If he's not, then they'll strip him.

But presumably, if he is ready and they go through with the Kane match, then that will be the blowoff then Bryan will move on to someone else, possibly Rusev, or maybe Bray Wyatt...

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104. "Let's all just agree to never mention Cena again, so we can avoid Zoo's ..."
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If we just stop mentioning him, we don't have to read Zoo's constant bitching about ANY and ALL critiques about Cena any longer.

Add Dwayne to that list.

Seriously, it's like he's been on Cena and Rock's payroll since Rock's Mania triple header began.

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105. "Making this about me is not going to help your argument, guys."
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And it's weird, for someone who constant berates others about their need for attention, you sure like mentioning my name in these posts, and hoping for a series of back-and-forths.

I mean, Expertise is saying some of the same shit I'm saying, but, well, you know.

Making this about me is also intellectually lazy, as lazy as saying that someone must be on WWE's payroll for pointing out stuff that's simply COMMON FUCKING SENSE. How dare I question the questioners... whose questions don't have a basis in any sort of reality! How dare I not provide tissue for you guys' constant crying about shit that AIN'T EVER GONNA FUCKING CHANGE!

But y'all stay mad tho.

And let me get it out of the way now: TL;DR.

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107. "LOL! Please, show me all the times I "mention your name" in these posts"
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>And it's weird, for someone who constant berates others about
>their need for attention, you sure like mentioning my name in
>these posts, and hoping for a series of back-and-forths.

Yeah, totally, I'm ALWAYS MENTIONING YOUR NAME. Always. ALL THE TIME.

lol. No. Don't flatter yourself. There's a huge difference between you-know-who stalking me from post to post and me *occasionally(* criticizing your bullshit in the ONE ongoing wrestling post on the boards.

>Making this about me is also intellectually lazy, as lazy as
>saying that someone must be on WWE's payroll for pointing out
>stuff that's simply COMMON FUCKING SENSE. How dare I question
>the questioners... whose questions don't have a basis in any
>sort of reality! How dare I not provide tissue for you guys'
>constant crying about shit that AIN'T EVER GONNA FUCKING
>CHANGE!

No, what's lazy is you putting on your Cenation cape every time Cena's name is mentioned. At least half of your presence in these posts consists of you trying valiantly to ward off every ounce of criticism levied at him.

Talk about 'intellectually lazy'. You act as if we think that any idea brought forth in these posts is a memo that will actually get into Vince's hands. Nobody is "crying", it's called a discussion. You should try it some time. If you don't like fans expressing their ideas on shit, get the fuck off the internet because that's a lot of what happens here.

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110. "No. And again: TL; DR"
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Stop me if you've heard this one before: I didn't read your response

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114. "Yet another intellectually lazy response from ZooHeartsCena"
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119. "k "
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106. "Okay, fine, you're right, you guys, Cena should stop winning matches"
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and therefore holding people back

Because we know that wins = elevation

And losses, especially to Cena = a downward slide and two steps away from being terminated from the company

Like what happened to Brock Lesnar

And CM Punk

And Daniel Bryan

Also, Cena's character should have grown and changed from beating Bray Wyatt

And CM Punk

And Orton

And Daniel Bryan

And HHH

And he should stop telling jokes to 12-year olds because WWE should not be aiming the product at them, they should be aiming it at us, that way we'll keep watching and adding to what has been a record year for WWE, the WWE Network, etc.

And he should also just turn heel since that would make the product and his character - which hasn't grown or changed, btw - more interesting

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109. "As usual, you completely miss the point by a mile. "
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>and therefore holding people back
>
>Because we know that wins = elevation
>
>And losses, especially to Cena = a downward slide and two
>steps away from being terminated from the company

Except that's NOT what people are saying. It's literally not what's being said and you invented this bullshit to have something to argue against. You're such a stan you can't rationally, objectively think about this in the context in which it's being presented.

Most of us here have openly acknowledged his value to the company as well as some of the great matches he's had with great talent. What you're too stubborn to understand is that it's entirely possible to like him in general and hate specific things about him, especially as it pertains to booking.

>And he should stop telling jokes to 12-year olds because WWE
>should not be aiming the product at them, they should be
>aiming it at us, that way we'll keep watching and adding to
>what has been a record year for WWE, the WWE Network, etc.

>And he should also just turn heel since that would make the
>product and his character - which hasn't grown or changed, btw
>- more interesting

lol you're such a baby. What a pathetic little tantrum. If you like the fruity pebble eating boyscout and want to make him your boyfriend, cool. Just stop bitching and crying about it whenever one of us isn't that in love with everything about him.

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111. "TL; DR"
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This "debate" that you think and hope and can't hide your erection for isn't going to happen.

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115. "lol. Sorry, you're never interesting to discuss anything with, ever. "
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You literally offer zero insight much less thoughtful discourse on any subject, but especially this one.

Stop flattering yourself with this nonsense that I wanted a "debate" with you.

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117. "k "
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120. "Look at all the quality, civil discussion that was had before you showed..."
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Then look at where it went once you got here.

I rest my case.

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122. "k "
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112. "Good god man do you get what opinions are?"
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Wed Jun-04-14 12:34 PM by Y2Flound

  

          

People are sick of seeing Cena win

People want to see his character change

People go on the internet to state it

You know what? None of us have a say in what happens, but we're certainly allowed to say what we would like to see without some fucking John Cena White Night rushing to his aid and berating us for how stupid we are. Jesus christ you make this board so unfun. You have no interest in discussing opinions, only telling people why they are wrong and how stupid they are.

YOU.RUIN.THIS.SHIT.

Go away or lighten up

Also LOL at this record year for WWE where they have undersold on the network, gotten a TV deal lower than they promised and suffered a huge stock price hit. But I am not even interested in discussing that OR ANYTHING with you really. Just go retire or hang out on reddit and yell at people there who disagree with you.

  

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116. "Or, you could just ignore me. I'm not going anywhere."
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The odd thing is, not so long ago I was shitting on Cena during the build to the first Rock match. Now I'm the corporate Cena apologist.

Whatever makes you feel better, chief.

Sorry that I can't just sit by and let you guys bitch and moan about the same lame-ass shit. It's like you have no perspective about how this shit works, which is exposed every time you post. There are legitimate reasons why this dude continues to be the centerpiece of WWE. There are legitimate reasons why he should not be the focus of WWE. Frankly speaking, I have yet to hear them here. Some of you just keep yelling at the proverbial wall about it, using terms that you have a cursory knowledge of, like "character growth and change." Then when someone tells you (repeatedly) that it's pointless to do all of this bitching, then the I'm know-it-all, fun-crushing asshole.

So be it.

But what's not going to happen is I'm not going to stop posting in these posts. You don't have to read what I type. But I'm not going to stop talking.

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121. "Look at all the quality, civil discussion that was had before you showed..."
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Then look at what happen when you got here.

Yeah. Pretty sharp contrast there.

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123. "k "
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Wed Jun-04-14 12:45 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

Cena sucks he's holding people back = "quality, civil discussion"

look what happen

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124. "he doesn't need to turn heel, but his character should evolve"
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every once in a while. and also, a loss to bray would not have hurt him whereas bray really needed a win here. he won his feud against kane and SORTA won his feud against bryan, but nothing really progressed. no one was permanently changed. no one was converted to his side. this feud was the kicker. he needed to either beat their top face or turn him into some version of a monster*. this was a no-brainer, and they screwed it up.

also, while i'm not in love with his insult comic routine, i get that it's for the kids... but there is NO reason to pull it out for the wyatts when they're trying to sell these guys as monsters. "i'm afraid of you... so here's a bad photoshop joke to mock you because i'm so afraid." wtf? he was burying bray every week with his promos. not to mention he basically beat all 3 of them single-handedly more than once.

*he did go a little crazy against kane this week, so maybe this is a slow burn thing, but if so it should have been much more definitive.

  

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125. "Remember, until the Taker switch at Mania, Cena was scheduled to lose"
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The only reason he got the win was because Vince allegedly thought it would be a bad deal to have both of his top babyfaces lose on that card. And I agree, that would have been a downer of a show. Imagine if, say, at WM III, all of the heels won except Hogan. Well, we almost got that, in the sense that of the 12 matches, only 4 babyfaces - including 3 of the top guys in the company (Hogan, Steamboat, Piper) - got wins.

And I still am not seeing/understanding the "character growth" argument. His core constituency doesn't care about seeing him "grow" as a character. He comes out, and just about everything he does plays to them. And yes, it's annoying to anyone over the age of 13, but that's where we are.

In a sense, his (top-selling) merchandise is a trap, in that his character is laid out there in those 3 words: Hustle Loyalty Respect. The best example of Cena playing to his character was at Money in the Bank 2011 when Vince came down near the end of the CM Punk match. While more than a few of us would have been interested in seeing Cena let Vince interfere in the match, Cena's character wouldn't allow that to happen, and subsequently, he lost. There's no need to tamper with those aspects with his character as long as the booking is strong. And that doesn't mean that "he should lose more and therefore elevate more guys." The booking should be strong enough -- like it was at Payback -- to ensure that, even in a loss, a cat like Bray Wyatt still looks strong. It literally took a series of props for Cena to beat him. And yet, people are seriously crying about how Bray's about to take a nosedive because Cena beat him again.

Sorry, but that's a crock of shit.

Bray Wyatt's trajectory has been on the upswing for the longest. It's not going to suddenly be derailed because Cena beat him with a hard case at Payback. In the highly unlikely event that Bray loses steam and ends up being a JTTS like Ziggler, it'll not be because "Cena's stale ass beat him again," but it'll be because Vince got bored with him, or because he seriously pissed someone in power off backstage, or both. Like Ziggler allegedly did.

And aside from the "flirting with the darkness" shit that they tried with Cena during this Bray Wyatt feud, there's really no possible way he can deviate from any of that and retain credibility as a babyface draw.

And again, the solution isn't to turn him heel.

Back when Austin went heel, he said he did it because he wanted to switch things up and play a different side of his character. Well, he's since regretted that decision, saying in part that it wasn't the right time and that the people didn't want him to switch things up.

I think what we're seeing, and what we've been seeing is Vince learning from that very expensive lesson, which I think is playing a major part in keeping Cena a babyface. No matter how unfresh it may be to most of us, he cannot deviate from those 3 selling points on all of his merch.

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126. "i have less of a problem with WM30, moreso the other 2 PPV matches."
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because they could have fixed that WM30 mistake at extreme rules or payback and they didn't.

>
>And I still am not seeing/understanding the "character growth"
>argument.

every character grows. in every form of media. they have to or they're boring. that's all we're doing: calling him boring. and a face doesn't have to be boring to adults to inspire the little ones. it's not an easy balance, but it can be done.

Obviously I have my issues with cena's character, but the even more egregious failing of this feud is they should have put bray over MUCH stronger. i'm not one of those guys who thinks the only way to put someone over is have them win, but for certain wrestlers it is. i already believed bray could "go the distance" with cena, so to speak. so the payback match didn't prove much to me, as entertaining as it was. and the extreme rules match was hugely disappointing in that regard.

There's no need to
>tamper with those aspects with his character as long as the
>booking is strong.

agreed.

And that doesn't mean that "he should lose
>more and therefore elevate more guys."

disagreed. i don't think he should lose all the time, but his amount of winning has been hugely detrimental to the development of the roster. it seems like every time there's a major injury they're scrambling for guys to compete in the main event. well no shit, that's what happens when EVERYONE loses to THE main event guy. once again, the wwe acts baffled by problems it creates.

And
>yet, people are seriously crying about how Bray's about to
>take a nosedive because Cena beat him again.

i didn't say he will, i said he could, which is absolutely true. a lot more true than if he had won the feud. furthermore, you haven't explained why cena needed the win more than bray. if he loses to a monster with head games, where's the shame in that? he's still gonna sell shirts. he's still gonna sell tickets. he can still be in the main event whenever they need him to. on the other hand, bray beating cena was his ticket to staying in the main event. now they fucked it up, he doesn't look like the moster he's supposed to, and they'll have to find another way. will they? idk, but they made it a LOT tougher for themselves. and given their recent track record, i bet they either don't have a plan or will abandon whatever plan they do have.

  

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128. "Why does Bray have "to be in the main event" to be a top guy?"
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Why is it that beating Cena would somehow be "his ticket to staying in the main event" when the fact of the matter is, NONE of his matches with Cena were (technically) main event matches? And why are you also assuming that if, say, Daniel Bryan comes back and remains champion, that Bray's not right back in the main event picture that y'all are so scared he's fallen out of?

See, this is what I'm talking about. Bray Wyatt is over. Has been over. Will continue to be over. He's on a rocket ship to being a top guy. He doesn't need to be in the main event to be on that rocket ship. And he certainly doesn't "need" to beat John Cena to get over, or get elevated. "Certain wrestlers" like Bray don't need the main event, nor do they need the decisive win over Cena to be elevated.

You guys are arguing as if Bray Wyatt was some scrappy newcomer who didn't beat anybody until the Rumble this year, and only needed to be strongly put over by that corny asshole Cena, and if he didn't, then he'd fall out of Main Event Heaven™ (which is like Outer Heaven except it's for pro wrestling, I guess), and also be sentenced to a career of jobbing out on Superstars and/or NXT. That's far from the case. From all accounts, dude has a good head on his shoulders, is eager to keep learning, and continues to be a good worker in the ring. All of those things count more than wins, losses, and "being elevated to the main event."

Look, I get it. It feels good to see a guy we like get a win over a guy we're tired of. But ultimately, what Kreative™ is going to do is what Kreative™ is going to do, regardless of who wins or who loses.

And no, that doesn't mean, "just shut up and enjoy the product." And it's also less about allegedly going hard for Cena than it is trying to understand and comment on this constant pissing in the wind that I see, and this escape-goating that people like to do when it comes to the guy, as if he's in control of Kreative™ and booking.

Now, as far as Bray goes, how much "stronger" does a guy have to be in going toe-to-toe with the top babyface in the company, only to be defeated with the help of 3 set props? And if I'm not mistaken, didn't he pretty much dominate their Mania match?

To me, this argument for Bray "needing" oh so bad to score a pinfall win over John Cena still boils down to nothing more than, "Well, because it would be awesome cause Bray's cool and we've never seen it before so why not plus it would magically elevate Bray plus Cena would be doing what's best for business." Which sry no.

Oh, hey, does anyone here remember when The Miz scored that big huge main event win over John Cena at Mania 27? Remember how much it "elevated" him?

Yeah, me neither.

And as far as Cena "needing" the win at Payback, it's nothing more than basic booking 101, gang. The babyface almost always gets the win in the rubber match of the feud (assuming the Payback match was the blowoff match). There is no other real purpose for Bray Wyatt to "win" the 3rd match in this feud except to satisfy the vague internet wrestling community talk about him staying elevated in Main Event Heaven™ if he won, even though he hasn't been in the main event on any show at all this year but is steady on the rise, a rise that WILL NOT be derailed because of a loss to SuperCena.

To that end, since we're asking questions that aren't being answered, here's one I haven't seen answered: say Bray gets this awesome great incredible win over the too-powerful asshole Cena and is elevated -- or is it, remains? -- to Main Event Heaven™ where the new guys we like go when they beat stale company gimmick guys. What then? Who's next in line for the new "older" wrestling fan-approved main event angel Bray Wyatt? Sheamus? Ziggler? Kofi? R Truth? Show? RVD? Big E? Daniel Bryan? Bray can be put (back) with Daniel Bryan regardless of whether or not he beat John Cena... which is my point. And even if he's put with Sheamus it's not the end of the world. No, it's really not, guys.

If Bray Wyatt suddenly starts jobbing out, or somehow gets lost in the shuffle, it won't be because John Cena's backstage "stroke" made it so, or because the loss to that corny prick Cena at Payback signaled to whomever that he just wasn't ready for the big time. That's not how this shit works, guys. It's not as cut-and-dry as "See, ever since he lost to that asshole Cena he's been forgotten/losing, fuck WWE."

The assumption is, that if Kreative™ simply just puts Bray Wyatt over Cena, then they'll have an easier and more clear Kreative™ path than they do now because they went with the same-ol'-shit of Cena winning.

Again, false. Kreative™ is going to do whatever they do, and fuck everything up, regardless.

Now, as far as where Bray goes from here, who knows? Like I said, they may put him with Daniel Bryan when/if he comes back soon. They may not. But if they don't, it won't be because they "fucked it up" by having him lose to an equipment case after a 25-minute junk match where he more than held his own (once again) against the company's top guy.

Y'all are my people, and I OVERstand the frustration, but this Sky-is-Falling-and-it's-Cena's-Fault business is crazy. And I don't have to be an alleged "Cena mark" to say that.

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129. "i haven't accused you of being a cena mark or apologist"
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so don't transfer your cold truth debate over here. we're just having a discussion (and to address your other post, i've complained about the bryan booking/character).

and just for the record, i meant "top card" or "main event-worthy" more than strictly IN the main event. but feel free to latch on to one or two mockable words in this post and run with them the same way.

and this
>escape-goating that people like to do when it comes to the
>guy, as if he's in control of Kreative™ and booking.

how many times do we need to explain this? when we complain about "john cena" we don't mean the guy or even the wrestler. we mean the character, writing, and booking. i'm sure he's a great guy. i'd be happy to meet him.

>
>Now, as far as Bray goes, how much "stronger" does a guy have
>to be in going toe-to-toe with the top babyface in the
>company, only to be defeated with the help of 3 set props?

he also had his goons interfere at one point, as they have a lot, yet cena still comes out on top.

>And if I'm not mistaken, didn't he pretty much dominate their
>Mania match?

and then what happened?

and the extreme rules booking was atrocious. no one can defend that.

>
>To me, this argument for Bray "needing" oh so bad to score a
>pinfall win over John Cena still boils down to nothing more
>than, "Well, because it would be awesome cause Bray's cool and
>we've never seen it before so why not plus it would magically
>elevate Bray plus Cena would be doing what's best for
>business." Which sry no.

the new guy needs it more than the old guy. it's not that difficult.

>
>Oh, hey, does anyone here remember when The Miz scored that
>big huge main event win over John Cena at Mania 27? Remember
>how much it "elevated" him?

you mean one of the lamest characters ever scoring a dirty win because the main event was more about the referee than him? people didn't get behind that? there's a reason people barely remember the dirty wins against cena. they outnumber the clean ones 99 to 1.

>
>Yeah, me neither.
>
>And as far as Cena "needing" the win at Payback, it's nothing
>more than basic booking 101, gang. The babyface almost always
>gets the win in the rubber match of the feud (assuming the
>Payback match was the blowoff match).

just like the new guy wins over the old guy is basic booking 101.

Who's next in line
>for the new "older" wrestling fan-approved main event angel
>Bray Wyatt? Sheamus? Ziggler? Kofi? R Truth? Show? RVD?
>Big E? Daniel Bryan?

and who's next in line for him now? the question makes no sense. your argument for cena winning is WE haven't booked future angles for bray? i don't know what kreative will do. i just want something good. i'm not going to write it for them. they don't pay me.

plus what's next for cena now? he's really either chasing the title or beating someone down. even after his big loss to the rock he bounced right back. his rumble win/subsequent WM win could have actually been big if they booked him to not be SuperCena in the meantime. likewise, a loss to bray here (or minor break from character) might have actually been better for him than a win. this is how characters are made. they stumble over hurdles before they learn how to leap them. jumping over 10 hurdles at a time and falling down once a year is boring.

Bray can be put (back) with Daniel
>Bryan regardless of whether or not he beat John Cena... which
>is my point. And even if he's put with Sheamus it's not the
>end of the world. No, it's really not, guys.

yes, treading water or moving on to lesser opponents can hurt your career, especially in the stage bray is in.

>
>Again, false. Kreative™ is going to do whatever they do, and
>fuck everything up, regardless.

okay, and we'll voice our opinions about it. your point?

>
>Now, as far as where Bray goes from here, who knows? Like I
>said, they may put him with Daniel Bryan when/if he comes back
>soon. They may not. But if they don't, it won't be because
>they "fucked it up" by having him lose to an equipment case
>after a 25-minute junk match where he more than held his own
>(once again) against the company's top guy.

so why, again, are they always scrambling for top guys when they have an injury on their hands? you really think cena beating the whole roster has nothing to do with that?

>
>Y'all are my people, and I OVERstand the frustration, but this
>Sky-is-Falling-and-it's-Cena's-Fault business is crazy. And I
>don't have to be an alleged "Cena mark" to say that.

who said anything about the sky falling? we're voicing our opinion about a thing we don't like.

the thing is, you HAVE to explain why bray wasn't hurt by this, but you wouldn't have to explain anything if bray won. it would just make sense to everyone.

  

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130. "You know what? Fuck this."
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Thu Jun-05-14 01:35 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

I'm kinda sick of reading suggestions that I'm somehow impinging on all of you guys' rights to bitch and moan about the product. You have the right to do that, just as I have the right to come in and tell you that I don't agree.

The bottom line is that the problems with this company's product go FAR DEEPER than stuff like, "Goddamnit, that goddamn Cena's winning again so that means there's another goddamn guy on the goddamn roster who won't be shit!" But, hey, if y'all want to remain in that pissy fan zone, feel free. But don't get mad when I continue to remind you mofos that Cena's winning matches ain't the problem.

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131. "lol. His response was civil and reasonable, yet you still have a tantrum..."
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get some sleep man.

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132. "Not only can you not write succinctly, but apparently you can't even "
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read responses correctly. Nothing in what I typed constitutes any sort of "tantrum."

I mean, Jesus Christ, boy.

To anyone else not looking to step in and play Post Ref/Post Dad, we're going to have to agree to disagree, and ultimately, that's fine. I'm not going anywhere. If you don't like what I type, then ignore it.

And I repeat, the current problems with WWE do not stem from having John Cena allegedly hold the roster back by winning all the time. And Bray Wyatt is going to be fine.

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133. "You keep ignoring the part where I don't give a fuck how you feel. "
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If disagreeing were fine, you wouldn't be all pissy over it ALL THE TIME.

If you weren't fucking with me, you wouldn't keep responding to me.

Telling me you're not fucking with me and all these "k" and "TLDNR" posts are pretty much saying the opposite.

Anyhow, you've obviously got a right to whine and snivel and rage and cry over people's opinions of Cena and their opinion of your tantrums, and you've obviously got a right to be indignant and tell us IM GONNA BITCH ALL I WANT!!

Just, you know, remember that you'll just keep getting shit for it.

You can stop replying any time now, by the way. Or you can keep pretending you don't want to interact with me by interacting with me while telling me you don't want to interact with me. Either way, we all know you can't rest without being a royal cunt in every wrestling post and you're determined to never change that.

***EDIT because you edited, you didn't get past your fucking HEADER before you threw a tantrum. "you know what? fuck this!" followed by "I'm tired of....."

yeah, you're mad. lol. Oh, and I really haven't written much more than you or anyone else in these posts in here, so miss me with that shit. You don't like my posts, don't fucking read them. KIM and shut the fuck up.

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134. "Great. You're still typing paragraphs that I'm not gonna read."
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I get it, I'm a terrible person and you can't help but spend 17,000 words telling me how terrible I am and you need to put me in my place, yet again. Fantastic. You finally gonna take the hint that ultimately, I don't care? Nobody is fucking with you, least of all, me. All that typing you're doing is great exercise for your fingers, but at the end of the day, I ain't reading it. Because your masturbatory thoughts about me and how I comport myself on the Internet don't have much resonance or weight in my world.

I mean, good luck in all of your endeavors and shit, but, yeah.



For everyone else -- and to bring this shit back to why we're actually here -- I stand by my thought that WWE's product does not currently suck because John Cena's not doing clean jobs (in Last Man Standing matches, btw). Because the fact is that Bray Wyatt got more over AFTER he lost at Mania, even when the focus of the shitty storytelling changed. First, the problem, or "obstacle," was that Cena was having self-doubts about facing Bray Wyatt. Then, when it was decided that that shit was corny, the focus shifted to the possibility of Cena losing his kid fans to Bray. Then, when that shit fell flat at Extreme Rules, WWE fell back on THAT and changed it to a more abstract focus on "Cenation," and played up that the cell phones in the dark arenas and the singing along with Bray were all becoming big problems for Cena.

Throughout these shifts, the one constant, which was the jeopardy (aka the stakes, aka the thing no one ever seems to mention when talking about characters and writing and stuff, which actually tells me a lot) for Cena was that if he lost, he was in danger of losing his fan base. Those stakes may or may not be absurd on their face, but they were there, and the idea was that the young Cena fans would rally around their hero and cheer him on to victory. And you, Jaded Internet Wrestling Fan Who Only Concern Troll-- er, Only Wants a Good, Compelling Product, may not like it, but you are also not the target audience for this publicly-traded company, a company whose whole mantra is "putting smiles on people's faces." And while it might have been awesome and original to see Bray Wyatt ultimately triumph over that goody-two-shoes asshole Cena, that kinda-sorta goes directly against that edict that I typed in the previous sentence. Not to mention that it's a pretty fucking cynical tack to take in a program like this. And I know that someone will counter that, "Well kids gotta learn that life ain't fair and you lose sometimes," but sorry, this is not the program for that lesson to be taught.

As for Bray, I also stand by my assertion that him winning or losing against John Cena is ultimately not going to matter, because they're going to slot him in to whatever they're going to slot him in to. He could have had a decisive win against Cena, but guess what? Because of the uncertainty regarding Daniel Bryan, the company most likely would have (and still most likely will) slot him into a feud with Sheamus instead. Or maybe not. And even in losing to Cena, he can still be slotted with Sheamus. Or not. Mugs are acting like because Bray lost, he's now going to be doing curtain-jerking jobs to Sin Cara through September, with a one-way ticket back to NXT by December.

Yeah, that's bullshit.

The big power people in this company are VERY high on Bray. They're also very high on Cesaro. They're also very high on the (seemingly) now-defunct Shield. All of these cats are going to be in the mix, are going to be protected as much as possible, and will be in great positions for at least the next 6 months. Or at least should be, as long as Kreative™ doesn't fuck it up. Which, of course, is a distinct possibility. But all of this (constant for about 3 years now) complaining because Cena didn't take a clean L (again, in a Last Man Standing match) is unnecessarily paranoid and short-sighted, imo.

And speaking of Kreative™, now that Arsenio's been canceled, WWE REALLY ought to see about bringing Eric Pankowski back. I was really digging the direction he was taking the shows last spring and summer, before he left...

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136. "civil conversation before you arrived, a clusterfuck since. clear as day..."
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When you say "least of all, me", you're lying to yourself since you keep responding. more than anyone else, in fact

Great job of "not fucking with me" by generating 20 posts directly to me. Please, tell me more about how much you're not fucking with me followed by MORE PARAGRAPHS THAN MINE while you berate me for writing paragraphs.

Talk about masturbatory.


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143. "Like a kid with cookie crumbs on his face saying he didn't eat it"
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I've literally been chased from this thread because it's not fun to talk when every opinion is responded to by being told how dumb I am in obnoxious long form.

The fact that someone the page lets be a mod is in fact destroying a post from the inside by being insufferable on purpose is amazing.

  

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144. "Just ignore him. there's a lot of good speculation to be had right now"
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WWE is good for the obvious play, however for once the stars, so to speak, are aligned in such a way that there are several ways they can iron out summer slam that are pretty intriguing. Monday may have been a game changer with Rollins, and there's good, fun, pointless fan discussion to be had. Just ignore anything he posts and Kim. We all had good conversation before he came in here and there's no reason to let him ruin the whole thread.

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135. "have any of us said he's the only problem?"
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follow these threads. we have a lot of issues. at times i've criticized the punk and bryan characters too, so this isn't just an internet darling issue. cena is just the most glaring problem because it's been a decade-long issue that they've never truly attempted to fix. plus, in my opinion, he's the most representative of the problems with kreative. just because he sells all the shirts in the world doesn't mean his character/booking is above criticism. they're not. anything can be better.

  

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139. "Yeah. He's an easy bailout for Vince and that's hurting them overall. "
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The reason Seth is rumored to have made his turn on Monday is because Vince didn't like the ratings from the previous week. Sure, it's a rumor, but it's consistent with other rumors of Vince's method (I'd say madness, personally) in recent years.

That decision was one that could be made at any time and not suck, so he pulled the trigger. In years past he's been known to put runs on ice and revert back to Cena at the slightest hint of trouble.

Of COURSE Cena is the only guy who moves the needle. He's the only guy that's been built up like that, at least until now with The Shield and Bryan. Part of what made the Attitude Era so great was that EVERYONE was a star, and everyone was marketed that way. The era had a lot of terrible, terrible story lines and gimmicks, but guys were genuine stars up and down the roster in part because they were pushed that way.

The lack of real competition and no threat of guys leaving to work for the competition has made Vince awfully complacent if you ask me.

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142. "I believe it, although I'm sure they had various heel turns drawn up"
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for all three members and simply pulled the trigger on one of them. They've invested a lot of time in these guys so I'm sure they had a lot of writing for them in their back pocket.

>
>Of COURSE Cena is the only guy who moves the needle. He's the
>only guy that's been built up like that, at least until now
>with The Shield and Bryan.

exactly. and i think that was part of the frustration with people regarding bryan's booking earlier this year. if he's not the perfect guy to replace/join cena at the top, he's the closest they've had in a while, yet they were REAL hesitant to pull the trigger.

Part of what made the Attitude Era
>so great was that EVERYONE was a star, and everyone was
>marketed that way. The era had a lot of terrible, terrible
>story lines and gimmicks, but guys were genuine stars up and
>down the roster in part because they were pushed that way.

i'm always surprised when i look back at the list of title runs back then. did you know the rock's longest title run was his most recent one right before WM 29? stone cold. mankind. hhh. all had pretty short runs. i'm not crazy about short runs, but all those guys were so good (and believable as top guys) that there was title change nearly every PPV.

  

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108. "So while y'all are (still) bitching about Cena and making shit about me"
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I'm more annoyed about what's been going on with Daniel Bryan

And I'm not just talking the neck situation, although that's apparently not good

But injuries and death of his pops aside, he hadn't really been given a strong push as champion

He was made to run like a bitch from Kane

He was bullied into making a decision between the WWE Championship and having his wife get fired

Then he almost bitched up and surrendered the belts at Payback before wifey stepped in and quit.

That's bullshit. THAT'S the shit we should be up in arms about.

But, well.

I mean, if we want to really talk about character growth and change, Daniel Bryan changed from a scrappy underdog fighter (which I never really liked) before he won the title, to a wimpy punk after he won it. I don't really need, or want, a return of the American Dragon character, but it would be nice if someone on Kreative™ decided that a ball-less Daniel Bryan is not that interesting to watch, whenever he returns.

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113. "Further proof all you pay attention to is Cena criticism. "
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First: Stop the 'y'all' bullshit. I made that post, nobody else.

>That's bullshit. THAT'S the shit we should be up in arms
>about.
>
>But, well.

LOL. Please, show me all the people happy with what's been done with him since Mania. I can show you posts where people complained about it. You're just too laser-focused on trying to stop anyone from criticizing Cena and the way he's booked to pay attention to anything else.

>I mean, if we want to really talk about character growth and
>change, Daniel Bryan changed from a scrappy underdog fighter
>(which I never really liked) before he won the title, to a
>wimpy punk after he won it. I don't really need, or want, a
>return of the American Dragon character, but it would be nice
>if someone on Kreative™ decided that a ball-less Daniel Bryan
>is not that interesting to watch, whenever he returns.

No way! kids love him! he sells tee shirts!

^^^^^If that sounds familiar, it's because it's your response anytime anyone critiques anything having to do with Cena.

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118. "k "
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Get this through your head: TL;DR

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137. "Dbry rehab not going well"
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http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/6/5/5782492/daniel-bryan-rehabilitation-going-slower-than-expected



The problem is that Bryan's rehabilitation of his right arm is going slower than anticipated. One person said that not only is he not makings gains, but he's actually losing strength in the arm while doing rehab, which is concerning. Bryan was in Indianapolis for Raw and backstage, his situation was the most talked about thing among those in power. He was sent back to Pittsburgh to see Dr. Joseph Maroon, who did his neck surgery, to see what was wrong.

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138. "Honestly they need to strip him ASAP to lessen any pressure on him"
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Just let him rehab for as long as it takes. Ideally, that would give someone else a shot at stepping up to a new level. Cesaro would be ideal, and I'm not really concerned about it being "too soon" or whatever.

Problem with that is..... we all know it's going to be put on ****, because, well, because.

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140. "WWE's gotta do an "interim champion" storyline"
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Strip Bryan do to injury, and have an interim champion crowned at MITB. Then, when Bryan's ready, have a "unification" match to crown an undisputed champion, hopefully at one of the bigger events (Summer Slam would be ideal)

  

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141. "I'm down if..."
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>Strip Bryan do to injury, and have an interim champion
>crowned at MITB. Then, when Bryan's ready, have a
>"unification" match to crown an undisputed champion, hopefully
>at one of the bigger events (Summer Slam would be ideal)

They make the 'interim' part a plot device. If it is Cena holding it in the meantime, there's your turn right there...for either Cena or Bryan depending on how they want to play it. And there's $ in that plan.

IE: Bryan shows up whenever wanting an immediate title shot from Cena and Cena and/or the authority are all like 'ahhh...let's let this interim period last a little bit longer until we know you're ready to go..besides, we have some good things going here'. Have that drag out. have Bryan bitch about it. He does it in one way...he's the shady heel crying for a shot after being on the shelf. Show him goofing off and chilling with his wife instead of rehabbing to imply that he wasn't exactly hustling to get back. Boom.

Go the other way (HUH!) and have Cena/Authority be all like 'no my brother...you gotsta get cha own', beat him down over it before giving him some situations to fight through, and once again its on. And we get a more natural Cena turn that can be escaped (anyone in cahoots with the Authority for any reason is obviously on borrowed time).

Otherwise, just get the title off of him. He's friggin hurt. Folks will get it. Show some video of him grimacing trying to do 'simple' rehab shit to show that he isn't even kinda there yet, overplay the injury on TV, strip him without having him show up, do Cole/King slow-talking 'shit ain't working out so great but he's trying y'all' updates every now and again, and go forward with someone else as the champion. And hell...get crazy with it and have even Steff and them sell it like they feel bad for the guy. And have fun with the chaos, buzz about what the hell is gonna happen, etc. Let marks be marks about marky shit...but in a good way. Then, once you have everyone, do something, do it strong, do it right, and make sure some good matches come out of it. Why not!?

Sure, it can't be Titus Oneal crazy, but this isn't the time to throw it on someone lazy and do lazy shit with the title run. Aka I don't want a summer of Kane and Cena title matches with Rollins killing himself for HHH and them for 'money and fame' or whatever the hell he says. And we don't need another Orton as an afterthought/bitch/bit player in a bigger plot title run.

Rollins is fresh off of a 'this shit has to work or it could fuck up the whole Shield story for everyone forever' turn. Let him have the title shadily and be shady about having him keep it (Ric Flair shady...holding tights, getting DQ'd out of close calls, foot on ropes, cheating on leverage on submissions, weapons, all of the 80s shit) until the authority gets sick of him for some reason and tries to screw him out of it. Use Dave if he has dates left. Use Orton because...shit...Orton has been good in the ring. Then, he can be tweener Tyler Black, crank up the highspots again and serve as a Super Jeff Hardy: Better Wrestler Edition type of champion/contender/good match-haver.

The Shield story (Hounds of Justice, guns for hire, rebels, whatever) is such that most things could be explained and rolled with as long as the aftermath is good matches with hard-to-call outcomes, false finishes, etc.



  

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145. "Raw SPOILER"
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Meltzer is reporting that Daniel Bryan found out he will not be able to wrestle at Money in the Bank, therefore he will be stripped of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, perhaps tonight, and WWE is going with the idea of a MITB match for the title. Meltzer is also reporting that they already know who is winning that match.

What a fucking disappointing run. Just seemed like one bad thing after the other happened to this cat.

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146. "ugh."
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fuck it give it to Bo lol.

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147. "Disappointing news"
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If those reported setbacks are indeed true, glad to hear Bryan won't be rushing back. Take the necessary time and get your body right. That pop when he comes back is going to be deafening.

  

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148. "Am I wrong for being happy for this???"
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I am going to Money In The Bank in Boston and I wasn't a fan of seeing Kane and DB again.

This would be the perfect opportunity for DB to take his time coming back and win the Royal Rumble. They could potentially screw Bryan and keep it moving until he wins the rumble.

  

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151. "Yeah this has me contemplating buying tickets now"
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149. "Bittersweet "
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Total drag for DB of course

Absolutely great for the MITB match. Lesnar should win.

  

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150. "Makes no sense the way he has been MIA since mania"
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I mean I get why in real life purposes, but remember how his whole thing was demanding a title shot and just beating the shit out of people until he got it. Then they wouldn't give him one at Mania so he took on the thing even bigger than a title shot and won.

How is he not on TV every week demanding his title shot in this storyline.

  

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152. "sheamus, orton & adr in so far"
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you know cena's gonna be in it.
kane's gonna be in it.

how exciting so far.

big show? please god no.
they going 6 deep or 8 deep?

at least we'll probably get brock. hopefully bray and cesaro.

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153. "RE: sheamus, orton & adr in so far"
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>you know cena's gonna be in it.
>kane's gonna be in it.
>
>how exciting so far.
>
>big show? please god no.
>they going 6 deep or 8 deep?
>
>at least we'll probably get brock. hopefully bray and cesaro.

They need somebody to bump in this thing. I thought Ziggler was good as in, but appeasing ADR is more important I guess. This one is probably gonna be all 'heavy hitters'. But good lord...they have an opportunity to elevate someone with a good showing in this. And not RVD either...someone who isn't 40. Or at least someone who isn't old news per the WWE Universe. My guess for this is Seth Rollins because...well...heel Seth Rollins needs wins and spotlights. And I know he'll bump like a mofo. And we have to assume that either him or Orton are winning.

Is Dave out of dates for real?

  

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154. "With those 3, it kinda looks like we may get 2 MITB matches"
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1 with all main type guys for the title and 1 for the briefcase.

Depends on how many they go, but I could see an ADR, Sheamus, Orton, Cena, Kane, Lesnar match for the title

That leaves room for 1 for the briefcase with guys like Cesaro, Wyatt, Rollins etc...

  

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155. "Props to Sandow for fully committing to this shit he's been given "
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Idk what they're doing with him, but he's trying like hell to make it entertaining.

  

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156. "RE: Props to Sandow for fully committing to this shit he's been given "
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>Idk what they're doing with him, but he's trying like hell to
>make it entertaining.

It would be great if they came out of the blue and had him start winning matches and kicking folks ass. But we know better. Cuz they have a card full of dudes at the top and don't need anyone else.

Layla is my favorite shit since Trish Stratus. Just an excellent-looking woman.

consequence Creed...I thought he wasn't bad in TNA. Now he's just taking up space.

  

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163. "it's no different than what Charlie Haas was doing years ago."
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And we saw where that got him.

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157. "whew Seth got em mad."
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dude sounding better on the mic than ever.

they need to hook him up w/ a better theme though.

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158. "I think that may have been his NXT theme"
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Only caught the end of his entrance, could be wrong. Doesn't really do anything for me either.

Great promo though. He took that "You sold out" chant and flipped it on them nicely.

  

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159. "RE: whew Seth got em mad."
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>dude sounding better on the mic than ever.
>
>they need to hook him up w/ a better theme though.

Yep. He did it right. Now he needs good matches and a big win sometime soon.

Him winning MiTB is $. Then they'd have a champion with heat and a summer of new and good matches staring them in the face. How is this not the finish they have laid out for MiTB? And him running like a bitch from the Shield is wrestling $ 101...people were lit up at the concept of the shield getting their hands on Rollins. Excellent.

  

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160. "I feel like him winning the belt at MITB could hurt him long term"
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Obviously it's a big rub right away, but we all know he is just the interim champ and Bryan is coming back and winning the belt at some point.

You don't want his legacy to just be winning the vacated title in a 6 man ladder match and holding it until Bryan was ready for it again. It likely would be years until he won the belt again just because in reality he isn't at the top of the heap, he would just be champ now to get some quick heat.

I think a way better move would be if they had 2 MITB matches letting him win that, let Reigns win the title at WM next year and you have an awesome cash in that everyone is waiting for with plenty of time to build Rollins as a legit main eventer.

  

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162. "I like the 2 MiTB thing..."
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>Obviously it's a big rub right away, but we all know he is
>just the interim champ and Bryan is coming back and winning
>the belt at some point.
>
>You don't want his legacy to just be winning the vacated title
>in a 6 man ladder match and holding it until Bryan was ready
>for it again. It likely would be years until he won the belt
>again just because in reality he isn't at the top of the heap,
>he would just be champ now to get some quick heat.
>
>I think a way better move would be if they had 2 MITB matches
>letting him win that, let Reigns win the title at WM next year
>and you have an awesome cash in that everyone is waiting for
>with plenty of time to build Rollins as a legit main eventer.

But it doesn't seem like they are barking up that tree at all. Having Rollins lurking around to cash in on Reigns would be great tho. The Shield should make the WWE money for a while...unless they do it like they did Dolph and crew. Nah...this is too awesome to fuck up too bad, right?

I guess it is tough to announce stuff when they are booking on something close to the fly. Shit...we have Cena with the Shield in a match with no upfront convo..probably as a plot device to get Cena back on some 'hey...titles are cool...I want the main one' shit. Where's Ron Simmons.

  

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161. "I wish he could go back to the name Tyler Black."
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164. "That Ambrose promo though. "
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Reigns..... still needs work.

Dean murked his promo though.

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165. "I'm pretty much over reigns at this point."
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he's still gonna get the biggest push out of all 3 of them, at least initially, and i get it, but i'm not too excited. rollins is solid on the mic (and getting better) and endlessly entertaining in the ring. he's proven he can put on good, long matches with superstars and he always wows me. ambrose is my favorite character on the roster and along with rollins he's continually adding stuff to his moveset. the bounce back off the 2nd rope into a clothesline is my new favorite thing, and his fury punches are hilariously inefficient but are PERFECT for his character. reigns has a few devastating moves, but not much else excites me about him. plus he flexes too much* and is often painful to listen to. he's fantastic as the enforcer for a stable, but can he hold his own for long matches? i think wrestling inc said he's had like 10 singles matches since joining wwe, and i believe they were counting live events too. i think he'll get exposed pretty quickly if they push him as fast as i think they will. though it seems like him, bray, cesaro, and barrett are all gunning for the same spot that only one of them will get and the others will have to wait, so hopefully they slow down his push a bit and let him develop singles skills some more. they seem to be fast-tracking reigns vs. hhh though.

*just for the record, i would flex even more than him if i looked like that. but someone needs to tell him to pick his spots.

  

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166. "I'm still high on Reigns. Maybe it's that "Big Homie" thing "
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Like... his character is essentially that dude in the hood you've known forever and call when you're dealing with some people beyond your level, and half the time he fixes the situation with the mere mention of his name because the dudes you called him about know what time it is.

I think his 'enforcer' role is far more intimidating than, say, Arn Anderson. His 'WWE' move set is pretty devastating and high impact, and his mannerisms/taunts are perfectly suited.

I'm with you in that those things can only carry him so far, but IMO his in-ring match ability won't be too big a deal because his spots are fantastic, much like Sheamus. Cena's got a bunch of Attitude Era retreads in his arsenal, but guys like Sheamus and Reigns have genuinely exciting spots. Reigns punch brings the house down every time out.

So, to that end, I think he'll be fine. All in all I think his character has a bit of bad ass mystique to him that will carry the day. He’s pretty much the best case scenario of a limited big man to me, and lord knows we’ve seen WWE do more with less. I agree with your assessment, but in the end there just seems to be enough in his favor that he’ll do just fine.

Rollins and Ambrose are far more refined and nuanced performers just as you said, but they're lacking the particular "It" factor and positively MASSIVE favor with Vince that seems to be so deeply ingrained in the Anoa'i family genes.

To that end, I still think in ten years will be looking back on fantastic careers for all three guys. There's hys

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169. "if you could somehow combine all 3 into 1 person"
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it would make the perfect wrestler. ambrose's personality with rollins' moveset and reigns' devastating moves (though i'd keep rollins' finisher over the spear, and i'm not sure why people don't go crazier over the curb stomp). i think reigns will be fine if he can either expand his moveset or get much better on the mic. those both seem doable enough, i just worry they won't get done in time for his big push and he'll become boring. not quite sheamus boring, but close.

>So, to that end, I think he'll be fine. All in all I think his
>character has a bit of bad ass mystique to him that will carry
>the day. He’s pretty much the best case scenario of a limited
>big man to me, and lord knows we’ve seen WWE do more with
>less. I agree with your assessment, but in the end there just
>seems to be enough in his favor that he’ll do just fine.

true, i just think he'll always be compared to ambrose and rollins, and if those two are putting on much more entertaining matches on the midcard people are gonna notice.

  

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172. "It's all about explosion"
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(though
>i'd keep rollins' finisher over the spear, and i'm not sure
>why people don't go crazier over the curb stomp).

One of the points Stroud harps on that I really agree with is dudes who do their moves "with intent." Even when Batista fucks up taking the spear, Reigns's spear LOOKS like one of those old "Jacked Up" highlight reel tackles EVERY TIME. You believe he just incapacitated the dude he hit. The Curb Stomp is cooler, and more inventive, but the spear plays to the back row and beyond. (Honestly, it's why the Tombstone is more beloved than the Emerald Frusion).

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167. "Reigns is quite clever though..."
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in that he's learnt to engage with the crowd very well with the moves in his arsenal - the Superman punch is crazy over, the spear is great, powerbomb, dropkick on the floor.

I do agree with everything you said though and the more I think about it I'm convinced it would have made more sense for Ambrose to be the one who turned and not Rollins.

Speaking of Cesaro - I doubt he'll be the one claiming the spot you mention. His alignment with Heyman I'm not entirely convinced has worked for him - it's like he's over with the fans while Heyman is doing his best to be the villain and it doesn't seem like a cohesive union at the moment. His clean wins over RVD won't get him hated either.

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170. "i think rollins was the right way to go. "
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ambrose makes the most sense in theory, but ambrose's craziness is so entertaining that i'm not sure it's possible for everyone to hate him right now. i suppose his personality could change, but i'm laughing every time he's out there. plus it wouldn't be a surprise, rollins was genuinely shocking. they only really teased it once, and that was a while ago now.

>
>Speaking of Cesaro - I doubt he'll be the one claiming the
>spot you mention. His alignment with Heyman I'm not entirely
>convinced has worked for him - it's like he's over with the
>fans while Heyman is doing his best to be the villain and it
>doesn't seem like a cohesive union at the moment. His clean
>wins over RVD won't get him hated either.

yeah, there's something off there and i'm not entirely sure what it is. i blamed the booking before, but that's not the whole story. it's like they hadn't hashed out his character yet before sticking him with heyman. heyman's been killing it, but he walks out there strutting his stuff, but then hugged heyman for father-like support the other day. i certainly don't like his music.

  

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171. "Heyman hasn't done a thing for him. "
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Heyman’s done a great job of selling Brock but hasn’t sold Cesaro at all, and that’s a problem.

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174. "I think it has something to do with match booking too though..."
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We've griped about Jim Ross before but in his podcast he does talk (repetitively) about the lack of credible heels at the moment - he's bizarrely attributed that to a relaxing of rules which makes it harder for villains to get away with things and, personally, I completely disagree with that - the problem is that heels aren't really acting like heels. Cesaro, Barratt, Wyatt (and Shield, when they were heels) are all acting waaaay too bad ass and picking up clean wins, which ultimately fans respect, so why would they boo that?!

The best heels in the biz were complete cowards who practically always cheated to win. You have to cheat, you have to be low-down, dishonest, deceiptful, cowardly, as it's the only way fans will HATE you, which is what you have to do if that's your role. The biggest "heels" right now are Stephanie and Evolution which says loads for this generation. Undoubtedbly, they're incredibly talented and original stars, but as heels, they're all being cheered which really shouldn't be happening.

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177. "Well, what I am referring to is the complete lack of any character"
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building with Cesaro since he became a Heyman Guy. Punk got polished and spit-shined like crazy during his run with Heyman. That shit was like a finishing school, where he was elevated into a truly complete product.

With Cesaro, they’ve done as close to nothing with his character as possible. No real story, no memorable promos, no tweak or alteration of his character or anything. All he’s really gotten is the King of Swing moniker and that’s it.

There’s a great story to be told with RVD and Heyman in there, but after a relatively casual mention in the beginning, they really haven’t played that up. They had a very brief, meaningless feud with Sheamus, but nobody received any character time, no real promos or anything.

As far as the heels not being heels thing, that’s a byproduct of this generation. It’s a byproduct of the Smarks attaining more knowledge and reverence than ever, and people appreciating hard work and good performances when they see it. Fans today want to reward that work with adulation.
Further, we’re in a post-Tony Soprano entertainment world, where bad guys can be such compelling and well developed characters that people appreciate the work that goes into fully realizing those characters. That goes back to my reasoning of why the Daniel Bryan- Wyatt turn wasn’t really a heel turn, despite intentions. He never did anything heelish, never seemed to support his faction, and was routinely abused by his leader, so there was no problem turning him back to a face right away.

Heels are still heels and do heelish things. Back in the day, heels were cowardly and cheated and what have you, yet they were still as vicious and mean and vile as can be. JR seems to think that the only refuge is to turn every bad guy into a complete pussy, and it’s missing the forest for the trees and ignoring the fact that fans now know more and are more savvy than they’ve ever been in the history of the business, and that accounts for a lot of the reasons so many heels get so many cheers these days. In fact, they made Orton a complete coward during Bryan’s run and they wound up neutering him of the very vicious, predatory, and dangerous elements that made him a special heel in the first place.

Lastly, Evolution are great heels because they’re great heels, not because we’re in a weak era for heels.

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180. "Just so I'm clear on my point..."
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"A weak era for heels" doesn't mean "weak characters" (not saying you're saying I'm saying that but I just wanted to be clear). We have GREAT "characters" as I imagine you very rightly attribute to the rise of sympathetic villains like Tony Soprano, Walter White, etc. and their respective 'coolness' but, in my mind, the essence of pro-wrestling is "heroes vs villains".

Maybe it's outdated but I think heels need to be doing every single thing they possibly can to be getting booed out of the building. That's the point of it and I think they're doing something wrong if that isn't happening. There's never been an era of wrestling where the villain wins cleanly over the face as a regular thing.

As I say, maybe it's now old fashioned but if I'm a face wrestler then I would want the loudest cheers in the building, but if my job is to be a heel, then I would want the BOOs to be deafening.

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181. "But we live in an era of smarter fans where people cheer heels"
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That is what his point is.

I mean you can make someone the biggest chickenshit heel possible, but if they are a wrestler someone older wants to support they will get supported.

Ziggler is a perfect example, before his face turn last year he was an ultimate chicken shit heel. Never won clean, ran away from trouble, had interference in every match, etc... But every fan over let's say 16 still cheered wildly for him.

Look at guys who are classic faces like Cena or Sheamus, everyone over again let's say 16 boos them and hates them for their face like actions.

The wrestling you want can't exist because no matter how heelish or how heroic someone acts, that only influences fans of a certain age anymore. Hell 3MB for example is a group of classic heels who never do anything clean and they still have people who root for them. Cheering for the Heel and booing the face became cool around the attitude era for a certain type of fan and WWE has catered to this while still appealing to a young audience with their faces as well. That is why we get 50/50 splits in the crowd now in most face vs heel matches.

  

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182. "Hmm..."
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I definitely take yours and CTs points and would most likely say you guys are right but, at the risk of going round in circles though: I guess from my perspective, there's something of a gap not really being filled right now - it doesn't seem like guys are "trying" to be hated, but again you guys have addressed that in your replies, so...

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184. "example: Wyatt getting cheered is more about people hating Cena. "
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Him getting cheered isn’t really due to him singing that song, and I’ll prove it:

Did you see everyone cheering him against Bryan?

Nope.

He was booed out the building. The reason he’s getting cheers of late is because people are bored, sick, and tired of the guy he’s been wrestling. Let him do the exact same shit to Bryan or Dolph or The Shield or Kofi or El Torito (Seriously. He’s one of the most over guys working these days) anyone the fans are firmly united behind and you’ll see a rain of jeers come his way.

It’s odd to me that WWE, Ross, and some fans don’t get that Bray getting over has more to do with those people directly revolting against Cena than anything. Braywas singing that shit to mock Cena’s character and the older, male crowd was already mocking him, so what did WWE think was going to happen with that?

Furthermore, the Attitude Era ensured the Catch Phrase was a Thing that was here to stay. People also cheered the NWO and wore their shirts. DX was a heel faction doing a riff on Michael Buffer. OG DX was heel as fuck, fighting a heel as fuck Hart Foundation. They went on to abuse Sgt Chin week after week. People way, way back in the day were holding up “4” for the Four Horsemen.
See where I’m going? Swagger doing We, THE PEOPLE! Isn’t taking away from him being a face. It’s just some shit that gets people involved in the match in a small way. He’s as ‘chickenshit heel’ as they come, he’s just not a top dog. Sandow is cowardly as all get out these days. Rollins showed some real pussy this past Monday and the Wyatt’s were shady as always. Cesaro isn’t working as a heel because the crowd fucking loves him and loved him while they hated Swagger while they were in the SAME TEAM, because Cesaro is just plain awesome. The Shield got that face turn because people appreciated their body of work, but they never courted the fans.

Barretts Bad News gimmick is meant to antagonize, and even as he shits all over the city he’s in or the baby face opponent, people love it because it’s a quality, entertaining gimmick. It’s just a different era of fan and a different era of information. Ross always talks about people “exposing” the business with these punches that don’t draw blood or bruises, and how they should “protect” the business, as though the cat hasn’t been out of the bag for ages. The WORST possible thing they can do is try to package pro wrestling as “real”. IMO the “reality era” thing Hunter said never really caught on as a “thing” and really doesn’t make sense.

They’re pretty vocal about being an entertainment company and couldn’t pull off the anti-bullying campaigns without being frank about the fact that it’s one big show. It’s not a ‘work’ anymore because we all know it’s a production and the marks are few and far between.

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204. "Don't you think there's a distinction (however minor)..."
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between "character" and "technique"? You're completely right - the characters are great and interesting, and from the list you gave: nWo, DX, Barratt, Shield, Wyatts, etc, they drew positive fan reaction cos they were cool and edgy which is certainly indicative of a new era in wrestling. I'm by no means waving the flag for 80s clean-cut faces, etc - I was more into the Attitude Era of wrestling than in any other period even though I had been a fan for nearly ten years up to that point so I love anyone that pushes the boundaries.

Let's take Heyman for an example - now the smart fan knows exactly who Heyman is. If Heyman announced an official retirement tomorrow, he would receive a standing ovation and cheer as loud as any active wrestler, and it would be completely justified: I see him as one of the greatest minds and innovators in pro-wrestling history. I'm not alone in thinking that - lots of people that post here agree, and lots of people that currently boo him every week I imagine also agree. But Heyman goes out there and does every thing he can to get boo'ed every week. And it works. That's the talent and the skill he has in manipulating that crowd to behave in a way he wants them to.

Cesaro and Barratt come out there, have "cool" characters, have great matches and pick up a clean win. Why am I as a fan supposed to boo them? Again, it would appear to be an outdated way of thinking but I'm reminded of Bobby Heenan's mantra of "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat... and never get caught!". (haha)

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203. "RE: That Ambrose promo though. "
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168. "Is it just me, or does Vince inherently favor the Anoa'I family? "
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I’ve thought about this off and on for awhile now. It just seems to me that the Anoa’i are particularly favored by Vince. They’ve certainly proven themselves and made the most of their opportunities, so it’s not as though it’s unwarranted. I am curious about Vince’s treatment of the Hart family tree though. Natalia should have the entire Divas division built around her because she’s excellent in the ring, and the name can only help that.

Yet, she’s usually an afterthought and now loses on NXT. Tyson Kidd has been among the more exciting wrestlers on the roster since he got there and could have an entire cruiserweight division built around him, but he also loses on NXT these days. Obviously the Hart family tree extended to Jericho and Benoit, but as directly as Natty and Tyson. They’ve let less talented guys than David Hart Smith hang on for years to find a niche, but it seemed he had a short leash to me.

Daniel Bryan began his career in Shawn Michaels’ school, and yet it took an insane level of fan support- seriously, have we ever seen anything like that?- and CM Punk walking away for him to get that push.

Punk was a Heyman Guy all the way back in OVW, and the brass fought tooth and nail for the longest time against pushing Punk, and every inch Punk got was given grudgingly. Heyman’s got a pretty solid track record of identifying guys who could be The Man, yet it seemed all of Punk’s success was attained with a certain level of resistance from WWE brass. I’ll say Brock was as much a no brainer as we’ve ever seen, and I can chalk up most of this to Vince probably wanting to keep Paul in his place more or less, but still.

Anyhow, it just seems to me that the Anoa’I are almost ordained. I wouldn’t say their inherent greatness is any more than the products of these other groups, but Vince seems more receptive to developing them. The Usos are a great example and have been brought along on a nice trajectory, and are now seemingly treated as high priorities.
It’s an interesting dynamic to me, given the general treatment of minorities in WWE. I’ve always wondered what has gained them so much favor. Is it just due to their overall success level and Vince sees them as a sound investment? Is there a relationship that dates far back that Vince treasures?

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175. "It's difficult to know what went wrong with the Hart Dynasty..."
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I was really pulling for them so hope Kidd and Natty can turn it around really soon.

The Anoa'I family are incredible workers as you say - never really thought about the fact that they seem to always do really well. Good point.

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176. "IMO they just had a short leash. Anoa'I tend to get time to develop"
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I wonder if there's residual resentment from Bret's refusal to drop the title.

I dunno

It just seems like Anoa'i consistently get the proper time to develop and refine themselves. They all earn their stripes, but they seem to be given every opportunity to do so whereas others from noteworthy families or trainers are met with more resistance.

The other thing that stands out is the way Vince has generally been somewhat irreverent toward minorities, often casting them as extreme caricatures in ways that aren’t exactly consistent with the overall caricatures portrayed by white counterparts.

Of course, I don’t know how much input the wrestlers themselves had with those gimmicks. I know guys like Kamala had their gimmicks coming in and whatnot. Anyhow, there just seems to be a remarkable synergy between Vince and the Anoa’I family that seems curiously more consistent than wrestlers from other families or trainers and I wonder what accounts for that.

I’m probably missing a lot of shit but this is just a general observation.

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173. "A day of anniversaries in the WWE"
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8 years ago today the most hostile WWE crowd of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02WUftADD28

4 years ago today, this wonderful move that set the tone of the next 4 years

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178. "They'd never let Cena do that today..."
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Get so frustrated that he puts his hands on a ref, even when it makes sense.


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179. "Yup, exactly what Wyatt should have caused too"
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183. "."
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.

-Sig-

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185. "Nightmare on Jobber Street"
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WWE has come to terms on the release of the following competitors as of today, June 12, 2014:

Drew McIntyre
Jinder Mahal
Aksana
Curt Hawkins
Theodore Long
Camacho
Brodus Clay
Evan Bourne
Yoshi Tatsu

WWE wishes them the best in all their future endeavors.

  

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186. "JTG knows where the bodies are buried"
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187. "ONLY explanation"
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199. "JTG gone according to reputable reddit source"
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dude who I think works for WWE, never gives shit away but has inside knowledge somehow.

  

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188. "Genuinely bummed about the end of 3MB"
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Stay strong, Heath!

  

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189. "Heath is avoiding all calls from a CT area code today"
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190. "Oh, absolutely"
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He and Zack Ryder probably had a "Strangers On A Train" type of agreement to destroy the other person's phone, so they could just show up Raw next week and act like they had no idea they were let go or something.

  

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192. "gonna miss seeing Aksana. JTG tho."
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how does he do it.

edit: remember when Drew Mcintyre was the future?

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226. "i liked aksana "teamed" with fox"
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205. "Always sad when these lists come out..."
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But it's great that there are slowly becoming more places for wrestlers to turn to post-WWE: TNA, RoH, New Japan, Jarrett's new company...

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227. "Curt Hawkins tweet to Mark Henry lol...ya'll see it?"
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called him an idiot

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191. "Seems strange to kill 3MB after getting them over the way they have."
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Hell, they've had a better and more consistent slot than pretty much anyone not named The Shield for some time now. They actually became one of the better overall segments when they went all the way in on the ‘unbelievably incompetent heel’ shtick. They developed a good, cohesive look, had a great theme song for the gimmick, and brought in Hornswaggle to good effect.

I’m kind of bummed because to me they were ‘go the FUCK away’ heels, primarily because of how awful Slater was, and I even argued with people here about how awful they were. I finally came around on them and saw what others were seeing and IMO that was a quality group that played a nice role in the show.

I’m not surprised at Brodus getting the boot what with the NXT demotion and the Funkadactyls becoming stars in their own right.

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193. "mahal and mcintyre added nothing to me"
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other than being the most random guys you could put on a team, which admittedly was part of the fun of 3MB. they're fine as wrestlers, but unlike slater they were totally devoid of personality. watching mcintyre try to act is the most painful thing in this world. still a fun gimmick, but to me that's only because of heath. you could stick any 2 guys with him and it's the same. as long as heath is going out there with the swagger of an undefeated guy it's gonna work.

  

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194. "Ya Slater is the only staple of that group"
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He was so great in the losing to legends every week storyline, he is a great heel for people to love to see lose.

You could keep him single and it'll work as 1 man band, or put any 2 jobbers with him and it'll be just as effective.

  

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195. ""
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I get that Heath being so unlikable made it run and all. I’m just saying it was pretty fun watching them get their ass kicked, and that the group got over so it seems odd to just let them go. While I agree that they could insert any number of guys in those slots, my guess is 3MB is done and it will be Heath on whatever his next gimmick is.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Drew had a contract too big to keep around with the general financial situation being what it is though, considering how high they were on him when they brought him in.

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196. "RE: Ya Slater is the only staple of that group"
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>He was so great in the losing to legends every week
>storyline, he is a great heel for people to love to see lose.
>

Yeah, that was around the time I was getting back into watching regularly. I had no idea who Slater was, but quickly he was one of my favorite parts of the show. And then 3MB were always fun to have around. I enjoyed when they'd dress up as new bands. And, of course, they also were the reason we got the @Did3MBWin Twitter account.

>You could keep him single and it'll work as 1 man band, or put
>any 2 jobbers with him and it'll be just as effective.

  

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197. "while i think it would be better for him to move on"
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>He was so great in the losing to legends every week
>storyline, he is a great heel for people to love to see lose.
>
>You could keep him single and it'll work as 1 man band, or put
>any 2 jobbers with him and it'll be just as effective.

it would be really funny to see him team up with 2 different local guys to do the job in every city, all while never acknowledging his team keeps changing. he just keeps on rockin' out and pretending he's winning all the same.

  

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198. "That's a brilliant idea, so it won't happen. "
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>it would be really funny to see him team up with 2 different
>local guys to do the job in every city, all while never
>acknowledging his team keeps changing. he just keeps on
>rockin' out and pretending he's winning all the same.

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208. "I went public..."
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>>He was so great in the losing to legends every week
>>storyline, he is a great heel for people to love to see
>lose.
>>
>>You could keep him single and it'll work as 1 man band, or
>put
>>any 2 jobbers with him and it'll be just as effective.
>
>it would be really funny to see him team up with 2 different
>local guys to do the job in every city, all while never
>acknowledging his team keeps changing. he just keeps on
>rockin' out and pretending he's winning all the same.

with this idea with a couple of my wrestling-watching coworkers. They thought it was great.

Local jobbers need love too. And Heath deserves something for being the heel who just about always gets heat inspite of getting his ass handed to him regularly.

  

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202. "RE: mahal and mcintyre added nothing to me"
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>other than being the most random guys you could put on a
>team, which admittedly was part of the fun of 3MB. they're
>fine as wrestlers, but unlike slater they were totally devoid
>of personality. watching mcintyre try to act is the most
>painful thing in this world. still a fun gimmick, but to me
>that's only because of heath. you could stick any 2 guys with
>him and it's the same. as long as heath is going out there
>with the swagger of an undefeated guy it's gonna work.

lol. always got a quizzical kick out of a turbaned mahal awkwardly strumming the air guitar just to fit in.

i've ffwd'd their last few matches, but when slater was on the mic he was getting that good matt hardy/x-pac annoying heel heat.

  

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206. "yeah, i always got a kick out of the randomness of this group"
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>
>lol. always got a quizzical kick out of a turbaned mahal
>awkwardly strumming the air guitar just to fit in.
>

they look like craigslist roommates more than a wrestling team.

  

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221. "whatever booker/writer that put 3mb together needs to be ashamed"
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they got over DESPITE that being a lazy assed decision. khali's ..brother? and the chosen one in a "rock band" basically taking slater's gimmick and slapping them in it.


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213. "a few months ago, i called the 3mb was getting over....i forgot who it w..."
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hat told me i was crazy

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215. "Most likely me. "
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I remember a similar exchange.

I didn't see it then, but I've come around in the last month or so.

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217. "they kinda had a mickey whipwreck tommy dreamer thing developing"
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kept losing kept losing....eventually the audience starts to pull for you a bit. it's mad entertaining to see a person come out like they are the shit and then KEEP getting beat down.


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200. "JTG my nigga i hate it had to be him!"
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officially released.

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201. "http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/planet1051.com/files/2014/04/2-63..."
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http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/planet1051.com/files/2014/04/2-630x352.jpg

  

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207. "needs to join TNA and roll with MVP, Lashley and that other dude"
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@rob_starrk

  

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214. "shouldn't have broken them up, same with the PTP"
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209. "so uhh...Stardust?"
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https://vine.co/v/MIThm5UdWQF

why cant i stop laughing at this shit? that is some quality fuckery.

and his theme music is hot.

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210. "loved it."
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>https://vine.co/v/MIThm5UdWQF
>
>why cant i stop laughing at this shit? that is some quality
>fuckery.
>
>and his theme music is hot.

i loved the rhodes brothers, but they didn't really give cody his own personality after the authority angle was over. this could be perfect. and that ddt cody did at the beginning was great.

  

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211. "I hated this, but I get it's supposed to be fun"
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I won't be an old curmudgeon about it, but I'm not a fan of this for more than a very short thing.

I was excited that it has seemed since January we were getting a Cody heel turn and push. I loved the Dashing Cody gimmick and really want to see him break out and do something.

This is a step backwards, sure the tag team will get pushed and they'll probably get a run with the belts again, but I don't want to see him get trapped in this gimmick and eventually turn into a comedy character or some type of midcard sideshow.

  

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212. "RE: I hated this, but I get it's supposed to be fun"
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>I won't be an old curmudgeon about it, but I'm not a fan of
>this for more than a very short thing.
>
>I was excited that it has seemed since January we were getting
>a Cody heel turn and push. I loved the Dashing Cody gimmick
>and really want to see him break out and do something.
>
>This is a step backwards, sure the tag team will get pushed
>and they'll probably get a run with the belts again, but I
>don't want to see him get trapped in this gimmick and
>eventually turn into a comedy character or some type of
>midcard sideshow.

This right here man. I see it all the same. And sadly...I think he's gonna be stuck in comedy/midcard role for like forever. Big damage is being done to his WWE existence. At some point, you have to take a guy seriously on a regular enough basis for it to take in any major way. And WWE has demonstrated repeatedly that they are not above overdoing it for someone they really want to get/keep over. We all have examples in our minds. Cody is not getting that or anything close to that right now. Him and Sandow seems like such an upgrade for both of them at this point.

Jimaveli

  

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233. "this Stardust thing is gonna cook for Cody. watch."
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i believe in his ability to make this run awesome.

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254. "Remember when Cody was a heel in a Rip Hamilton mask?"
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and remember how GOOD he was at being a little off, and how much fun that was?

This is that up to 110.

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255. "Except he is a fun goofy face in the tag division"
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It's nothing like IC champion Dashing Cody Rhodes who looked like he was being groomed for a run

  

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256. "Hey, at least he's not getting Sandowed"
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And he genuinely looks like he's having fun as Stardust- now, yes, it's a slippery slope to Funkasaurus-land from there.

But let the Dust Brothers cook- they're both really exciting in the ring, and this could go some fun (and maybe dramatic) places.

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216. "MiTB"
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>*fires up the PS3*
>
>is this not the wackest card in a minute?
>
>i got no problem with cena vs wyatt again as long as cena
>ultimately turns...
>
>nevermind.
>
>maybe vince losing $750 million in two months on the ticker
>symbol will shake up the old man's complacency though.

Cesaro. Cena. Bray Wyatt. ADR. Roman Reigns. Orton. Sheamus.

They have an opportunity to do some cool things with this even with ADR, Sheamus, and Cesaro all in the 'fill out the match' role.

The fact that Reigns basically hung out backstage and tried to get himself into a title match with no involvement in trying to beat of Rollins can be taken in several directions. And only a couple of them are bad. It almost mandates Ambrose separating from him. The problem is...Reigns casually forgetting about Rollins without a payoff/asswhooping/resolution and heading towards the title should mean HE'S THE HEEL...

Weirdly enough, I see Bray Wyatt winning if they are going for a squirrelly winner. He came out of that Cena feud better than the booking. He's still over. Folks still want to see him. And his in-ring stuff is $.

Otherwise, we're going to get John Cena, a mountain of boos, and a moonwalk out of it..probably before Summer Slam.

I do not see Orton winning either unless he's going all the way with the 'I'm tired of the Authority' thing and go back to the face Orton who does heel stuff and gets cheered.

  

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220. "I hate the whole "he doesn't need the title" cliche"
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especially in this case where we are talking about someone on the rise who has never been World Champion before, but I just don't see Bray needing, or even WANTING the title.

Bray, the character, isn't there to win titles. He's there to take over in other ways. To turn good guys evil, to spread his "family's" influence all over the federation. He just doesn't strike me as the "I'm here to be World Champion and be the best in the world" type of wrestler/character.

>Weirdly enough, I see Bray Wyatt winning if they are going for
>a squirrelly winner. He came out of that Cena feud better than
>the booking. He's still over. Folks still want to see him. And
>his in-ring stuff is $.
>

  

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228. "the way they had him talk about the title the other day was good"
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and i thought they tied it in to his goal of taking over the company very well when i didn't think they could.

  

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230. "Ah okay, I missed this past week's Raw"
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232. "you didn't miss much."
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the battle royale was very good, if predictable. rollins and ambrose segments were good. i loved stardust, but that seems to be splitting people. nothing else of note.

  

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222. "With them bleeding money Cena is taking the belt into Summerslam"
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Don't see any way around it and as much as people on here don't like it he is the top draw.

Maybe we get a Cena vs Bryan rematch depending on the injury, but I don't see any way Cena doesn't walk out as champ.

  

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224. "RE: With them bleeding money Cena is taking the belt into Summerslam"
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>Don't see any way around it and as much as people on here
>don't like it he is the top draw.
>
>Maybe we get a Cena vs Bryan rematch depending on the injury,
>but I don't see any way Cena doesn't walk out as champ.

Him as the champ doesn't draw more money than him existing as he does now, does it? The only way it works is if he has a LEGIT foil. Kinda like with Hogan...it only REALLY worked when he had Andre, Ted, Savage, and Warrior to go against. By the time he got to Taker, some folks were glad to see Taker win. Same thing with Yoko. Cena showing up as champion and as superman = loud as hell boos at every double shoulder block, comeback, reversal into STF, and 'hop up --> AA'.

AKA if this summer goes from Shield Breakup and DB having good matches at the top of the card to Cena beating Rusev for 2 months and Roman Reigns forgetting the Shield ever existed while all three guys continue to wear their gear, we've lost out as fans.

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It IS great that there's a 'normal' MiTB match with Rollins in it coming up. At least they have a plot device to create some kind of angst with Cena's title run. AKA Cena is champ, a heel has the briefcase, and the Authority continues to try to put Cena in 'get beat up' situations that would make him easy prey for a shady MiTB cash-in.

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229. "what about cena chasing the title at summerslam though"
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>Don't see any way around it and as much as people on here
>don't like it he is the top draw.
>
>Maybe we get a Cena vs Bryan rematch depending on the injury,
>but I don't see any way Cena doesn't walk out as champ.

if he won the feud with bray and bray wins the title it only makes sense. and you still get those cena dollars, maybe even moreso than if he was champ at the time.

  

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236. "Bray playing transitional champ to lose to Cena in 2 months?"
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God I hope not. I wouldn't put it past them, but you don't want to give Bray that quick transition run as his first title reign, only to lose to the guy he can't beat already.

  

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218. "people say their dream is to be in WWE. i don't see it, even when i wres..."
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was never a goal of mine. ZERO stability. doesn't matter if you've never won a match . or if you're OVER as hell. your job is NEVER safe. i mean NO job is ever safe, but that place...is worse.

haha i'm still tripping that x-pac kept a job after shitting in someone's food. and bag. i believe i'da caught that mug alone and beat the hell out of him if management did nothing about it.

they said mark henry was ALWAYS ready to whup some ass lol

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234. "X-Pac ain't get fired because of who he was aligned with"
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253. "it don't even matter if you're the champ..."
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you could still get fired at any time. one day you're the shit, next day you're shat on. ask dolph, del rio, the miz.

  

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219. "Feed Me More Ryback is comin back soon right?"
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That dude had YYY level pops for a minute.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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223. "We'll see Rydust first"
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225. "lol, nice "
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231. "so i'm going to MITB"
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and i couldn't be more excited, especially now that they've (finally) added a match for the briefcase.

  

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238. "I'm still debating. The 2nd MITB match might be what finally gets me the..."
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241. "I am in there. Can't wait. Liking the card so far. "
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235. "Whatever happens, it's WAY TOO EARLY to put the belt on Reigns"
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which means it's probably going to happen

Which might lead to Reigns/Brock at SummerSlam?

Which actually might make me look for tickets on StubHub

But it would still be fucked, Reigns needs more time in the oven before he gets the belt

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237. "HHH will cost Reigns the win in some way"
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setting up the obvious Summer slam match.

I feel like whoever wins this match is a transitional champ until Bryan comes back to win it, possibly at Summerslam. In my mind it has to go to someone who can handle that which is Cena or Orton.

Would be a terrible waste for a guy like Cesaro, Reigns or Wyatt to get the belt and drop it at Summerslam.

ADR and Sheamus are non factors to me.

I think we see Cena vs Bryan rematch at Summerslam personally and them making the safe choice in Cena to win MITB which I actually think is the best choice unless they plan to give one of these young guys a legit run with the belt which none of them are in a great spot for.

Looking like my dream scenario is in play though. Rollins wins the 2nd match, Reigns wins Rumble and belt at Mania and then we get months of Rollins torturing Reigns by threatening to cash in.

  

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239. "Heel MitB is the only way to go for me..."
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>setting up the obvious Summer slam match.
>
>I feel like whoever wins this match is a transitional champ
>until Bryan comes back to win it, possibly at Summerslam. In
>my mind it has to go to someone who can handle that which is
>Cena or Orton.
>
>Would be a terrible waste for a guy like Cesaro, Reigns or
>Wyatt to get the belt and drop it at Summerslam.
>
>ADR and Sheamus are non factors to me.
>
>I think we see Cena vs Bryan rematch at Summerslam personally
>and them making the safe choice in Cena to win MITB which I
>actually think is the best choice unless they plan to give one
>of these young guys a legit run with the belt which none of
>them are in a great spot for.
>
>Looking like my dream scenario is in play though. Rollins wins
>the 2nd match, Reigns wins Rumble and belt at Mania and then
>we get months of Rollins torturing Reigns by threatening to
>cash in.

The good news here is that even if they take the 'safe' way out by having Cena get the title back after almost a year without it, they can do a lot of not safe stuff to take it off of him. Or they can have him murder the whole roster and ruin everyone's finishers and submissions. And then they'll want sympathy when they have no stars. They have possibly the best collection of workers they've ever had (outside of that sweet spot in the early 2000s when they had 3 feds worth of guys all at once)..and dudes of varying ages and stature.

And they've done a great job of convincing me that it is totally possible for Bryan to come back and not have the title again.

  

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240. "Even if Bryan can survive w/o the title, he deserves it"
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He deserves his run with the belt you get for headlining Mania and getting all that confetti and pomp and circumstance.

His story can't be a 1 month run, then an injury, then going back to not the main guy....I mean it can be, but he deserves his run. Doesn't have to be a Punk type run, but he should at least have had Mania through Summerslam. 4 or 5 PPV defenses then a big feud to lose it.

  

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242. "Yeah, you're right, I can see HHH screwing Reigns out of the title"
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to set up that match...

I also had a wild thought that they would have Brock come in at the very end of the other MITB match and somehow bogart to take the contract. It'd be some Vince Russo-esque bullshit but it's the only way I can think they can get Brock to the title match at SummerSlam, since I think that's when he's coming back... and they could have Heyman explain what he did by saying that he demanded a title shot back earlier in the year and didn't get it, so this time, instead of asking, he just came and took it...

This probably won't happen, though. What they *might* do is have a babyface win the shot, then have Brock somehow challenge for the briefcase to get to SummerSlam...

As for Bryan, I'm not so sure he's going to be back before SummerSlam, but I'm also thinking that the MITB booking depends on what they know about Daniel: if he's going to be out longer, then they may just put the belt on a babyface, but if he's coming back then they might put it on a heel like Cesaro and have Daniel Bryan chase him upon his return

But something also tells me they're not going to be in a hurry to put the belt back on Daniel Bryan...

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243. "Hard to predict knowing so little about DB's injury"
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This whole time we've all (including WWE) been operating under the idea he'll be back quickly and ignoring the fact that neck surgery is serious business that has kept wrestlers out for a year at a time or ended their careers, as well as the fact that people rarely have just 1 neck injury and usually are just counting down the days until they need another surgery.

On one hand it's great for us as fans because it makes us really have no idea whats going to happen, but on the other hand it's obviously a huge disappointment to have the DB story go like this. The fact that there is a 2nd match also leaves a ton of possibilities.

Hell someone could win the first match and then cash in immediately after the title match against a battered champion

  

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249. "I agree"
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252. "reigns getting screwed..."
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would be the best for him right now. look what it did to bryan. he gets screwed, he gets a program w/ trip and he gets the sympathy of everyone. big buys.

  

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257. "I agree with your logic regarding Cena and Orton..."
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If it's Orton though, they're retelling the story with The Authority not wanting to give the match, etc, etc, but with Cena, it would be easy for him to say he'll fight Bryan as soon as he's healthy and go straight to that match at SummerSlam or whenever.

Timing is everything though - if whoever wins that belt does well very quickly, it would be silly to take it away from them. I was overjoyed for DB to win that belt but the timing has to be right for him to get it back. Whenever he does come back, he'll walk straight into programmes with Kane, Stephanie, HHH, etc so he won't be hard-pressed for storylines.

It is exciting to see who takes it and how the rest of the year pans out title-wise.

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244. "the only way I can see it is if rollins wins the briefcase"
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and cashes in that night. i don't think they'll do that though. they have one briefcase, they'll drag it out. but, who knows? this field is pretty wide open. shit, orton probably won't win, but he could.

  

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245. "The WWE Production Crew Issue: Why you should care"
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I haven't had time to watch lately, but a friend showed me this. Sounds like bad fucking times right now, shit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/28iq5s/the_wwe_production_crew_issue_why_its_important/

Partial swipe:

Some of you might be thinking why this is such a big deal. Well as someone who works backstage at shows like these for a living and has worked on WWE shows in the past, I'm here to explain.

But first I need you to not read further not just as a wrestling fan, but as someone reading about how sombody makes their living for themselves and their familes.

To start off with, the average salary of a WWE production/backstage crew member is anywhere between $40,000 and $75,000 a year. (Obviously this can change on depending on the contract and position and individual.) The crew member will spend around 300 days a year out on the road touring from city to city working on the TV shows, house shows, and PPV's as well as anything else in between. (This does not include the current iteration of NXT, as that is an entirely different production).

Here is a sample schedule of what a normal work week for WWE looks like. The typical day will start at 8am and will go all the way through to 230-3am. Then they hop in the bus and travel to the next city for the next show. Rinse, wash, and repeat for a year and you pretty much have an idea of the life.

Up until now, the WWE has paid for all travel expenses for the crew, including providing buses and airfare as well as hotel accommodations when needed. Now, due to budget cuts, these travel expenses have been removed and the crew is now responsible for their own travel.

  

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246. "this is stupid as all hell. wtf Vince."
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247. "it's crazy that they would even think about this."
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I could understand saying "I think we can cut down the crew from X people to Y people and get by." but making people pay their own travel for a company that ONLY exists on the road is insanity.

  

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248. "And it's not even just the costs."
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The fact that they have to DRIVE themselves from city to city is insane with that work schedule.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/326252

The company has done away with the tour busses they would provide for production crew members, backstage hands and others.

In the past, WWE would supply busses and fill them with crew members to transport them from television taping to television taping. This was an expense the company paid for to comfortably transport the enormous amount of people making all of the TV content possible each week.

Now the busses are gone, and the crew is being told they will have to drive from city to city for television tapings.



Look at this schedule; the crew would have to literally drive hundreds of miles each night just to make the next city:

http://www.wwe.com/events

  

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250. "yeah, did they think this through at all?"
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all the good ones will quit, then they'll get a bunch of inexperienced guys who will be making negative money, working long hours, and basically driving/carpooling whenever they're not working. shit is gonna hit the fan when the ring isn't assembled correctly and someone gets injured.

  

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251. "that company is sh*t to work for lol"
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258. "Watching Raw live for the first time in a couple months."
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See if it's worth my while.

  

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259. "The best part about the Shield splitting is Ambrose gets..."
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...to turn into his full-on weirdo persona he had on the indies.

  

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260. "Seth's gotten good at promos all of the sudden"
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261. "That settles the will Stardust be a dumb comedy character question"
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263. "Know what happens when everyone's SUPER SERIOUS? TNA. "
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271. "I agree, Cody just deserves better"
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273. "meh. I'm fine with him not being Sarcastic Douchey Face #453"
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Plus, Daniel Bryan spent a year and a half doing anger management comedy segments and came out the other side pretty fine.

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262. "Cody unleashing his inner drag queen is awesome to watch."
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264. ""...just like your racist, constantly-losing NFL team""
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wade barrett appreciation.

  

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275. "THAT....SH*T...WAS...GREAT!"
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265. "very cluttered ppv send off raw main event"
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4 vs 3 was just blah considering the talent
as cool as reigns is when did his moveset get reduced to just superman punch/spear?
cesaro, bray, cena saved this train wreck
kane?
you wanna like to hate adr, he should go extreme old school and ham up his cheating
just give the belts to lesnar already

  

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266. "summerslam can't come soon enough."
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>just give the belts to lesnar already

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267. "so do they just ignore Ziggler pops or what?"
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give dude something to meaningful to do.

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268. "RE: so do they just ignore Ziggler pops or what?"
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>give dude something to meaningful to do.

They view sticking him in matches with Barrett and Rollins as big spots because he makes them look good and wrestling nerds know that this matches are sneaky important to everyone's pushes. He'll look good and make folks look good at MiTB too. Raw going back to being a bunch of super short matches and a few good ones means no more live raw watching for a while...or at least not every week. Gotta have fast fwd capability.

Again, this roster is pretty nice. If it goes bad, it is because of the brass having bad jokes and not the wrestlers. They can't go with 30-minute matches all the time but going back to making sure nothing gets over by accident isn't it either. They are gonna squash some future $ and then want sympathy for not having anyone for taker, Brock, and Cena to wrestle next year at mania.

  

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274. "Also, Dolph has gotten himself slapped on the wrist a few times"
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He was supposedly in line for a huge push after cashing/winning MiTB last year, but got a little TOO familiar on Twitter and had his push curtailed.

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290. "match of the night ..."
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... I woke up the next day pissed I had erased it off the DVR. Damn that was a good match from both parties involved.

  

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269. "Did they turn Big E into some sort of patriotic preacher tonight?"
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What the fuck was up with that?

  

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270. "mitb title predictions"
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cena will be 15x champ
orton is my 2nd choice he worked well as the spoil champed, but got overshadowed by hhh/bootista/steph as far as heeling
hopefully brock does come back because he needs to validate the belts and he broke the streak, that only deserves a title run
bray is the only new guy who should get the belt, he has a compelling character, his own stable, great moveset/finisher, he's upside is crazy

  

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272. "I'm 98% sure Cena is winning"
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Sets up a Brock vs Cena SS match to split the crowd evenly which they love.

Also pretty positive Rollins is the only guy in the other one with a chance to win, but you never know since they have so much time with it, could give it to anybody.

  

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281. "You right (c) Killa Cam"
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>Sets up a Brock vs Cena SS match to split the crowd evenly
>which they love.
>
>Also pretty positive Rollins is the only guy in the other one
>with a chance to win, but you never know since they have so
>much time with it, could give it to anybody.

But I hoped for a shield implosion summer. With the ratings, $ lost, and db's injury/'slow' recovery, we are headed to 'the champ is here' and we can't hear the cheers over the boos summer. And then I can slow down on my current pace of watching, I can pick up roh and/or new japan, and I can play some more king of colleseum 2, which is stupendous. I have a save with recent wwe folks created along with a gang of legends and recent japan folks (prince devitt and stuff). Over the two weeks I spent on it, I've had the time of my life and I never felt this way before...or at least not in a long time with a wrestling game. I lose matches. I catch hell on some of my wins...even when I clearly have the better wrestler. Like I'm taking that win off of a German suplex hold if I can get it! Submissions last unlike FirePro where the CPU is out of shit quick.

I just hope the shield doesn't get lost behind Cena, Brock, db, and whatver heavy-handed push they throw on reigns. Rollins is wrestling his ass off in bad outfits and Ambrose is Jokering up in a good way. That all needs to be fed airtime or we're gonna end up with DVon solo run shit instead of new champs and cats who can be in the mix legit. Otherwise, they are back to waiting on Phil, Stone Cold's knees and neck, UT's itch to wrestling, and/or whatever the hell is happening with Steve Borden who prolly lost his easy way onto the show with Warrior's passing. I still think he could've been The Shield's daddy/forefather/sage as long as he didn't Sting it up too much on the promos.

  

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282. "I think we get Rollins vs Ambrose at Summerslam"
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That will be a great feud, and if my long term prediction holds true Rollins will feud with Reigns next year after Reigns wins the title and Rollins has the briefcase.

  

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276. "2 of the best divas are black."
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277. "the 2 best divas are black."
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278. "I take it Paige ain't your snow bunny? "
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(referring to the kid on the corner of the aisle holding up that sign last night).

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279. "lol i didnt notice that. i did peep King stealing a glance"
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at the cakes though.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq28V6ZIIAAw_il.jpg

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283. "he actually joked about it on twitter too"
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>at the cakes though.
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq28V6ZIIAAw_il.jpg

he's since taken it done, but jesus, jerry has to go. this isn't even the main reason why either. how many times per raw does one of his jokes or observations fall flat and then the other 2 just let him wallow in the awfulness of it? i don't even think it's intentional, it just seems like they're rendered speechless multiple times a show.

  

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286. "No, Jerry doesn't have to go."
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288. "what has he added to commentary recently?"
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292. "I don't understand the question."
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Give me an example of something being "added to commentary."

  

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295. "RE: I don't understand the question."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hMp65SzyTU

  

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296. "Er...you want them to hire JR back?"
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I prefer plain language, if you don't mind.

  

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297. "nice strawman"
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you asked for an example of commentary adding something so i provided one. i think wrestling is storytelling and the commentators are a part of that. that doesn't necessarily mean yelling like JR, but i don't thnk the current team has found a style that works consistently. in jerry's defense, the biggest issue with commentary might be that cole often lets the conversation stray too far from the match at hand, so the action doesn't get the response it should. that being said, i think that's mostly an issue with direction, and vince takes care of that so it likely won't change. jerry's one-liners (can you even call them that?) and observations of the completely obvious are truly awful. the show comes to a grinding halt a couple times a show because of him.

  

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298. "First, I'm not sure you know what "strawman" means."
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I asked for clarification, because all you did was provide a youtube link to a well known wrestling highlight. You weren't clear, which is why I asked a perfectly sensible follow-up question. Reads this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>you asked for an example of commentary adding something so i
>provided one.

Second, your methodology is irreparably flawed. If, as you have NOW made clear, after tedious prodding, your point is that JR did a good job on commentary after what is arguably — honorable mention to Jeff Hardy and New Jack — the craziest, most UNIQUE high spot in the history of pro wrestling, then you ought to realize that the spot's very uniqueness makes it utterly useless as a representative of anything but Mick Foley's disregard for his own personal well being.

Much MORE representative, if your agenda is to complain about Cole, JBL, and King, is to locate JR's commentary on, say, a mid-month Smackdown match between Sheamus and Del Rio, then use that as your point of comparison. For that sort of match is common, and clearly much more of a challenge for any commentator to make interesting than when Mankind falls 3 stories to his apparent death and dismemberment.

>Second i think wrestling is storytelling and the
>commentators are a part of that.

And JR agrees with you, and so do Cole, JBL, and Lawler.

>the biggest
>issue with commentary might be that cole often lets the
>conversation stray too far from the match at hand

Third, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how WWE commentary works. In fact, EVERYTHING those three say into their microphones is dictated by Vince, yapping in their ears. This is well known, not speculation. Their jobs are to express what Vince wants them to express, no more and no less. Evidently JBL gets more leeway these days because of his friendship with Vince, but ultimately, what you hear from those three is a regurgitation of what Vince just said over their head sets. Google this for more info, and read either Foley's "Countdown to Lockdown" or "Hardcore Diaries" (I can't remember which) for a discussion of why he tried and quickly quit doing WWE commentary some years back.

>and observations of the
>completely obvious are truly awful. the show comes to a
>grinding halt a couple times a show because of him.

No, the show comes to a grinding halt because the action absolutely sucks at LEAST a couple times a show.

Fourth, the problem you forget to mention is that the addition of JBL has disrupted Jerry's role. If anything, Jerry has to defer to the loudmouth JBL too much (and I like JBL on the mike, but he is a loudmouth), and as such, his own personality is subsumed in the cacophony to his right. This is especially true because Jerry is traditionally a masterful heel on commentary; youtube his old work with Vince and/or JR for examples. But with JBL the arch-heel, and Cole back to being a babyface, there isn't much for Jerry to add. He's not a bad babyface, but he has to share the role of JBL's foil with Cole, and since Cole is the play-by-play, and necessarily talks the most, sometimes Jerry's essentially sidelined.

In light of this, what his role has become, more or less, is proxy for the sex-obsessed 13-year-old male fan that comprises a huge part of WWE's audience. So what YOU don't like, basically, are crude/lewd bad jokes that only teenage boys laugh at. I don't care for them either, and I begrudge Vince (and, perhaps, society) for indulging them, but I certainly don't blame Jerry.

As for staring at Paige's ass, any criticism of Jerry for that is self-serving at best. If you have beef, you should direct your attention to what the role of the "Divas" is supposed to be. That's a separate discussion.

  

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299. "RE: First, I'm not sure you know what "strawman" means."
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>Second, your methodology is irreparably flawed. If, as you
>have NOW made clear, after tedious prodding,

what was tedious about this? you asked for an example and i gave it. i said nothing about hiring JR back, and didn't even intend to compare JR to Lawler actually. I was simply providing an example because the way your question was phrased honestly sounded like you were questioning the value of all commentary.

>Much MORE representative, if your agenda is to complain about
>Cole, JBL, and King, is to locate JR's commentary on, say, a
>mid-month Smackdown match between Sheamus and Del Rio, then
>use that as your point of comparison. For that sort of match
>is common, and clearly much more of a challenge for any
>commentator to make interesting than when Mankind falls 3
>stories to his apparent death and dismemberment.

JR has a well of great calls though. and there are crazy spots today for cole and company to make their mark too. i feel they're not doing it. in regards to your next paragraph, vince can give them the narrative, but he can't be telling them the exact call on each spot cause it happens too fast and he doesn't know exactly when they're coming (though obviously that's more cole's job than the other 2).

>Third, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how WWE
>commentary works. In fact, EVERYTHING those three say into
>their microphones is dictated by Vince, yapping in their ears.
>This is well known, not speculation. Their jobs are to express
>what Vince wants them to express, no more and no less.
>Evidently JBL gets more leeway these days because of his
>friendship with Vince, but ultimately, what you hear from
>those three is a regurgitation of what Vince just said over
>their head sets.

it's always felt to me like cole is the most scripted and the other two had leeway, but i'll defer to you on this.

Google this for more info, and read either
>Foley's "Countdown to Lockdown" or "Hardcore Diaries" (I can't
>remember which) for a discussion of why he tried and quickly
>quit doing WWE commentary some years back.

Jerry is traditionally a masterful heel on
>commentary; youtube his old work with Vince and/or JR for
>examples.

i will, thanks for these suggestions.

>
>In light of this, what his role has become, more or less, is
>proxy for the sex-obsessed 13-year-old male fan that comprises
>a huge part of WWE's audience. So what YOU don't like,
>basically, are crude/lewd bad jokes that only teenage boys
>laugh at. I don't care for them either, and I begrudge Vince
>(and, perhaps, society) for indulging them, but I certainly
>don't blame Jerry.

eh, they're at least pretending to be serious about the anti-bullying/harassment stuff (i have many other criticisms of that campaign, of course, but we don't have the time to get into all that). a big part of that would be to no longer indulge that fan. that doesn't just include jerry though, but that's a start.

>As for staring at Paige's ass, any criticism of Jerry for that
>is self-serving at best. If you have beef, you should direct
>your attention to what the role of the "Divas" is supposed to
>be. That's a separate discussion.

Yeah, I don't like that either, but I took more issue with him joking about it on twitter than actually getting caught staring. As far as the actual stare: sure, he's a man. it would probably be wise to think "there are cameras on me at all times, maybe don't take a look right now", but whatever. The bigger issue is typically nothing happens when there's a sexual harassment (or worse) incident, especially when it involves someone with a lot of clout. but that is also a separate discussion.

  

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293. "king has been no worse than jbl or cole. "
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they need to wash out the whole commentary team if they're going to get rid of anyone.

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294. "i'm not opposed to a commentary shake-up"
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but i think jbl is mostly good when there aren't midgets wrestling. cole isn't great, pretty bad sometimes, but jerry is the only one who is noticeably bad multiple times an episode. and that's saying something when cole does most of the talking.

  

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280. "how did they NOT show the replay of naomi's finish?"
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284. "Swagger hurt BNB's shoulder."
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285. "he STAYS gettin hurt right before MITB."
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last time he was scheduled to win it.
this time i still think he was probably gonna win it.
that dude has the worst luck with injuries

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287. "Is that why he toothed Dolph? "
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289. ""Classic Swags" -Dolph"
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291. "they're lucky this is a great PPV, cause they haven't set it up well."
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the title match and the tag team match have been set up well, but everything else was a real jumble leading up to this. a bunch of matches added last minute, including a briefcase match with no real build-up or indication on why these people were included. big e and rusev have had kinda sporadic segments. same with the divas (they should be doing a lot more with paige). no lead-up to the dust brothers vs. rybaxel, they just needed someone decent for them to face.

still, i'm going, and i'm really excited. but if this were one of the other post-wrestlemania or post-summerslam ppvs everyone would be scratching their heads on this booking.

  

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300. "RE: they're lucky this is a great PPV, cause they haven't set it up well..."
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>the title match and the tag team match have been set up well,
>but everything else was a real jumble leading up to this. a
>bunch of matches added last minute, including a briefcase
>match with no real build-up or indication on why these people
>were included. big e and rusev have had kinda sporadic
>segments. same with the divas (they should be doing a lot more
>with paige). no lead-up to the dust brothers vs. rybaxel, they
>just needed someone decent for them to face.
>
>still, i'm going, and i'm really excited. but if this were one
>of the other post-wrestlemania or post-summerslam ppvs
>everyone would be scratching their heads on this booking.

I think we ARE scratching our heads..just like WWE is. They have clearly changed courses from what they had in mind coming out of WM. And I'm willing to assume that DB's neck injury changed the 'plan' they felt like they were forced into by the DB push/reaction/etc. Side note: they were gonna Benoit his title run like a mofo..he was gonna be the champ, but he was just gonna have a match on the show while other 'more important' shit was happening.

Anyway...then they had to pick from their short-list of 'emergency' alternatives. Breaking up The Shield (could be great as long as they don't do 'Reigns is great and the other two are solid mechanics/enhancement talents), throwing the title back on Cena (don't like but understand if WWE is scurred), taking Wyatt into more of a solo direction (don't like) and allowing Harper/Rowan more room to breathe as a monster tag team (cool). There's issues with all of those alternatives, but some hoss ass wrestling should result from it even if the book screws the pooch.

And yeah...they had to be happy to see MitB up on the schedule because the gimmick is the star..like Will Ferrell wearing a goofy wig on a movie and thinking that is enough to carry the whole thing (the basketball movie). And having two ladder matches is basically cheating but they have a situation where it makes sense to do it. And they need it.

The briefcase match is usually always figured out on the fly with some fake ass 'qualifying matches' on the scene, but it is usually a mix of 'unoccupied' midcarders, glue guys who catch well and don't usually eff up spots (Sheamus/ADR), and bump machines (Kofi, Dolph).

If Rollins wins the briefcase, then the title match has automatic plot device flow chart creation..even if it is effin Cena winning. The problem now is that the cash-in gets face reactions just about no matter how it is executed. Punk cashing in on a broken-up Jeff Hardy was made shady by the aftermath. And shiiid...Jeff was over as hell as a babyface. Cena is getting 92-95 Hogan reactions at some places..like folks want him to lose to damn near anyone just to change the narrative.

Jimaveli: Dungeon of Doom Era Hogan was the worst Hogan era ever, but it probably mandated the excellent nWo turn and run, so maybe it was the best worst thing ever.

  

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302. "I hope to be entertained overall ..."
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... which I can feel it will. However I feel the ending will be a WTF moment and leave me and my kids dissapointed. We shall see tonight though.

  

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http://uproxx.com/sports/2014/06/the-wrestling-hipster-an-indisputable-ranking-of-all-14-money-in-the-bank-briefcase-cash-ins/

>*fires up the PS3*
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>is this not the wackest card in a minute?
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>i got no problem with cena vs wyatt again as long as cena
>ultimately turns...
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>nevermind.
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>maybe vince losing $750 million in two months on the ticker
>symbol will shake up the old man's complacency though.

  

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