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"Poll question: Pacquiao Bradley II"
Fri Apr-11-14 02:58 PM by Vex_id

          

Who y'all got?

Poll result (14 votes)
Pacquiao by (T)KO (2 votes)Vote
Bradley by (T)KO (0 votes)Vote
Pacquiao by UD (5 votes)Vote
Bradley by UD (5 votes)Vote
Draw (0 votes)Vote
Tight, split/majority decision, could go either way (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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Apr 11th 2014
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Pacquiao: 145; Bradley: 145.5
Apr 11th 2014
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RE: Pacquiao: 145; Bradley: 145.5
Apr 11th 2014
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Ain't no way Timothy is getting KO'd by past prime Pac
Apr 12th 2014
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So a fake win for Pac?
Apr 12th 2014
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TeamBradley! I got a heart the underdogs!
Apr 12th 2014
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Bradley by split decision
Apr 12th 2014
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Gotta feeling Bradley gonna win tonight by a unanimous decision
Apr 12th 2014
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So, lose every round and win a UD instead of
Apr 12th 2014
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      If he fights the same type of fight that he did against Marquez, which
Apr 12th 2014
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      General consensus is that first fight was a LOT closer than we thought
Apr 12th 2014
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           General consensus huh. Where? Did bradley win one press score card?
Apr 12th 2014
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           I didn't say he won, I'm saying it was a close fight SWIPE
Apr 12th 2014
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                This is silly. Pacquiao landed 100 times more and with harder shots
Apr 12th 2014
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           Exactly! People acting like Bradley is a tomato can.
Apr 12th 2014
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Pacquiao is gonna light up that speedbag dome... Pac UD
Apr 12th 2014
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Leaning towards taking Bradley by decision
Apr 12th 2014
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Bradley by split decision in a close fight.
Apr 12th 2014
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time warner cable is down in san diego rt now...
Apr 12th 2014
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Padres are losing
Apr 12th 2014
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      Best thing bout SD Coc Cable is Sam The Cooking Guy
Apr 12th 2014
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anybody got a link...?
Apr 12th 2014
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i'm watching it here.
Apr 12th 2014
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      domo arigato.
Apr 12th 2014
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      thanks
Apr 12th 2014
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excellent point by kellerman
Apr 12th 2014
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the pace of this fight is amazing
Apr 12th 2014
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Pac's footwork has been good in the
Apr 12th 2014
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i wonder how many streams are going?
Apr 12th 2014
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Bradley is putting power behind every shot.
Apr 12th 2014
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Probably 2 up after 4
Apr 12th 2014
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who the hell was that creepy lady?
Apr 12th 2014
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Manny's mom
Apr 12th 2014
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philipino hex/curse??????
Apr 12th 2014
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RE: philipino hex/curse??????
Apr 13th 2014
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Did Bradley just tell his corner he was hurt?
Apr 12th 2014
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After about the 3rd round or so, his limp is noticeable at the end of
Apr 13th 2014
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bradley's being dumb now.
Apr 12th 2014
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i think bradley was out on his feet at the end of that round
Apr 12th 2014
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Bradley's gonna get himself knocked out.
Apr 12th 2014
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Bradley not fighting his fight
Apr 12th 2014
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for some reason he started looking for homeruns
Apr 13th 2014
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bradley is trying to sell the judges with all this showboating
Apr 12th 2014
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Not really feeling Bradley's corner. He's not a brawler
Apr 12th 2014
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So what's hurting? He looks like someone snatched his soul
Apr 12th 2014
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when he's moving back? A knee?
Apr 12th 2014
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His balance seems off. That might be fatigue though.
Apr 12th 2014
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      they been whispering a lot back n forth at each other
Apr 13th 2014
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           Or telling him not to get touched too bad. They already paid the judges
Apr 13th 2014
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yea the way bradley has faded is surprising
Apr 13th 2014
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      His calf injury may be legit, but I also saw neurological issues
Apr 13th 2014
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whats floyd thinking?
Apr 12th 2014
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He regrets betting on the Broncos
Apr 12th 2014
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that bradley sux?
Apr 13th 2014
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bradley won that round
Apr 13th 2014
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Bradley's fought with too much heart
Apr 13th 2014
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      yea this fight was a better version of the 1st one
Apr 13th 2014
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           It'd be some bullshit if he did, too.
Apr 13th 2014
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           Feels like manny did enough
Apr 13th 2014
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great win by manny. bring on the third fight
Apr 13th 2014
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Bradley started strong then started trying to hit homers..
Apr 13th 2014
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Bradley would have been better served sticking to his guns
Apr 13th 2014
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This fight was as close as the first one
Apr 13th 2014
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I thought it was closer than the score as well but
Apr 13th 2014
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Agreed...I had it a draw
Apr 13th 2014
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      RE: Agreed...I had it a draw
Apr 13th 2014
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      This narrative is exactly what frustrates me
Apr 15th 2014
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      the way you two scored the fight shows how close those rounds are
Apr 13th 2014
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To me Manny isn't nearly Manny anymore. He won but still looks off
Apr 13th 2014
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Both of them look faded.
Apr 13th 2014
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keith thurman who got rocked by gate keeper soto karass?
Apr 13th 2014
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I miss 2008 - 2010 Pacquiao
Apr 13th 2014
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Mayweather won.
Apr 13th 2014
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This fight was a revelation in many ways.
Apr 13th 2014
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Exactly
Apr 13th 2014
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Yea Manny aint better than Bradley
Apr 13th 2014
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~98%* of the expert boxing world disagrees w/ you.
Apr 14th 2014
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      Because they keeping in line with
Apr 14th 2014
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Bradley is in the same class as Winky & 'em
Apr 13th 2014
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Both of em are weak. Ughhh fight. Not impressed by either
Apr 13th 2014
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I thought Manny won a prettty close fight but I do wonder (as do so
Apr 13th 2014
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That roid accusation is seeming more and more interesting now
Apr 13th 2014
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yeah I mean look at Marquez: he's a counter puncher and he's never
Apr 13th 2014
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manny's power changed the complexion of this fight imo
Apr 13th 2014
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      yea Bradley lost his soul after round 4
Apr 13th 2014
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Pac showed he can stick to a gameplan vs slick defender
Apr 13th 2014
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"no excuses, but... my leg"
Apr 13th 2014
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Not sure if its PEDs but yea Manny isnt manny of 3 years ago
Apr 13th 2014
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Boxers deteriorate from their feet up
Apr 14th 2014
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They aint squating or deadlifting lol
Apr 14th 2014
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which is why Floyd's evolution is so impressive to me
Apr 14th 2014
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      RE: which is why Floyd's evolution is so impressive to me
Apr 14th 2014
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           How many KOs does BHop have while using a similar strategy
Apr 14th 2014
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           Stop with. the myth making he doesnt move because he
Apr 14th 2014
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He outboxed a slick defender in his prime...but got no footwork lol
Apr 14th 2014
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1. "weigh-in live right now on espn3.com"
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2. "Pacquiao: 145; Bradley: 145.5"
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Pac looks built for speed; Bradley in tremendous
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3. "RE: Pacquiao: 145; Bradley: 145.5"
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should be a better more competitve fight this time? i thought manny won the last one pretty convincingly.

people are making a big deal about manny not having a ko since cotto. like he just doesn't have "it" anymore. maybe, maybe not. everyone wants to see the ricky hatton fight every time pac steps in the ring.

no one brings up the last time tim bradley had a knock out in his recent career. which i have no fkn idea who or when that was. my point is, his best option is to box like a mf.

i predict manny will be coming for that ass being as that tim isn't a very big puncher.

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4. "Ain't no way Timothy is getting KO'd by past prime Pac"
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Tim was eating punches from Provodnikov & kept coming when he didn't have anything to prove. He's probably going to let Pac punch himself out (everyone knows Pac is going to come out w/ a flurry) & go to work. Pac ain't got nothing on the horizon so I expect him to fold when Tim DOESN'T go down to or stay down on the canvas after the early rounds.

I'm expecting a similar fight to Marquez vs. Pacquiao III

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6. "So a fake win for Pac?"
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5. "TeamBradley! I got a heart the underdogs! "
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7. "Bradley by split decision"
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only because I expect fuckery by the judges. Otherwise Bradley by UD

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8. "Gotta feeling Bradley gonna win tonight by a unanimous decision"
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10. "So, lose every round and win a UD instead of"
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Win1-2 rounds and win a split decision like last time?

  

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11. "If he fights the same type of fight that he did against Marquez, which"
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is box, move, and make Manny have to think, then he might win a rather convincing UD

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if he lets his ego/bravado get the best of him as it almost did vs Ruslan, then he could get put to sleep.

Bradley is confident and improved fighter since their 1st bout; I don't know if the same can be said abt Pacquiao although his decline has been a bit overstated.

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12. "General consensus is that first fight was a LOT closer than we thought"
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Pac won, but Bradley took 5 rounds, and a legit argument can be made for a draw.

  

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13. "General consensus huh. Where? Did bradley win one press score card?"
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14. "I didn't say he won, I'm saying it was a close fight SWIPE"
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All that talk of the decision being a travesty is bullshit, and almost everyone who re-watched the fight agrees. Peep game

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/pacquiao-bradley-i-scoring-re-visited-heist-or-hyperbole/

Following the HBO/media led outcry after the fight, the World Boxing Organization set up an investigation into the scoring, assigning five experienced judges to watch the bout and score every round. Judges do not, of course, have the luxury of scoring the fight as one whole, homogenous entity, and it is therefore the individual round tallies that tell the true story of the scoring of a fight. Consequently, by comparing each of the five investigative judges’ scorecards for the twelve individual rounds with the original three judges, in this way it becomes much clearer to see if a judge is doing a “poor” job of scoring, because they will typically be in a minority when selecting the winner of any given round. In a normal fight, a judge will only be in a minority of two-to-one when disagreeing with their colleagues; in the context of this investigation, however, they could potentially be in a minority of seven-to-one – a far stronger indicator that they had not selected the correct winner.
If this occurs with any amount of frequency throughout the fight, it is safe to conclude that he or she is doing a pretty terrible job. On the flip side, if a judge frequently agrees with the majority of the other judges, we can safely conclude that they are doing a fairly decent job of scoring the fight. Assuming this is true, where one or more judges score a fighter the winner of a round, it seems reasonable that at the very least, a case could be made for this fighter winning the round. Whereas, when there is unanimous agreement among the judges, this can fairly be called a decisive round in that boxer’s favour: no reasonable case can even be made for the opponent winning.
Interestingly, of the combined panel of eight judges scoring the fight (three at ringside plus the five independent judges assigned to investigate) they only unanimously agreed on two rounds that Manny Pacquiao won (rounds three and six) and on one round that Bradley won (round ten). Put differently: eight experienced, world-class judges could not agree on nine of the twelve rounds scored, and at least one judge thought that Bradley did enough to win in ten of the twelve rounds scored. Taking out the original three judges from the analysis for a moment (because they might be “bad”), we still find only five rounds that the investigative panel unanimously scored as winning rounds for Pacquiao – less than half of the fight. This is at odds with the notion that Pacquiao dominated the majority of the rounds in any kind of decisive fashion.
Is there any reason to be so cynical and take out the original three judges from our analysis though – i.e., did any of them turn in a card that was regularly at odds with the majority of the panel? The evidence says no.
Taking the scape-goat, C. J Ross as an example (she scored the fight 115-113 or 7-5 in rounds for Bradley), there was not a single round in the fight where she was completely isolated in her opinion of the scoring: in twelve of the twelve rounds scored, at least one of the other seven judges agreed with her assessment. In fact, in eight of the twelve rounds scored C. J Ross had at least three of the five investigative judges agreeing with her, and at least one of them agreeing with her in eleven out of twelve rounds. According to the investigation, she was therefore part of the majority opinion of the panel most of the time in her scoring. The only reasonable conclusion to be drawn from this is that she did not (at least on this night) forward a card anywhere near as terrible as has been suggested in the time since.

Read more at http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/pacquiao-bradley-i-scoring-re-visited-heist-or-hyperbole/#fMu8GxW3hZFr7Omc.99

  

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16. "This is silly. Pacquiao landed 100 times more and with harder shots"
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This article says that 5 judges scored 5 rounds unanimously for pacquiao. That's Pretty convincing to me. I notice this article doesn't say how many rounds were, say, 4 judges to 1, nor how the 5 judges scored the fight overall. I suspect all 5 had pacquiao winning the fight. Seems to me that it's kind of a dishonest cherry picking of data.

And CJ Ross's scores for a round being "okay" just because ONE of seven other judges agree with her that particular round. Nah. Every judge can miss a round here and there, it was CJ Ross's consistency of her bad scoring

  

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18. "Exactly! People acting like Bradley is a tomato can. "
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I still stand by the FACT that Pacman landed the Majority of his punches on Bradley's gloves. But people acting like the video was lying.

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9. "Pacquiao is gonna light up that speedbag dome... Pac UD"
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15. "Leaning towards taking Bradley by decision"
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But I have no idea. Really intriguing fight.

  

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17. "Bradley by split decision in a close fight."
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19. "time warner cable is down in san diego rt now..."
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Technical difficulties etc. Bastards. There's a huge Filipino population in SD too.

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20. "Padres are losing "
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25. "Best thing bout SD Coc Cable is Sam The Cooking Guy"
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cox still git monopoly on padres games on channel 4?

  

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22. "i'm watching it here. "
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23. "domo arigato."
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26. "excellent point by kellerman"
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27. "the pace of this fight is amazing"
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28. "Pac's footwork has been good in the "
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last couple of rounds

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29. "i wonder how many streams are going?"
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a million?
two milly?
thats at least $50M in lost revenue

  

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30. "Bradley is putting power behind every shot."
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rocked manny, smh

  

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31. "Probably 2 up after 4"
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Both guys are having their moments. For some reason I'm slightly more worried for Bradley.

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36. "Manny's mom"
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that shit is for real...

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33. "philipino hex/curse??????"
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srsly?

  

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58. "RE: philipino hex/curse??????"
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srsly.

  

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34. "Did Bradley just tell his corner he was hurt?"
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66. "After about the 3rd round or so, his limp is noticeable at the end of"
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rounds, dragging his right leg back to this corner

we always have a room full on fight night, so I didn't catch much of the exchange in the corner

but he looked good early, real active and throwing with power

after I noticed that limp, he basically sat in front of Manny for the rest of the fight

and wasn't getting the same pop out of his punches

totally off balance, and not even trying to move or use the ring

'waves Manny into the corner'

my guess

after some of those wild swings and misses he probably pulled something

my over under was second question before he said something about being hurt

FOK HBO for trying to suggest a 3rd fight

this one wasn't much different than the 1st, except for, you know, the scorecards and all.

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35. "bradley's being dumb now."
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he's not boxing. just trying to show boat and throw big shots.

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37. "i think bradley was out on his feet at the end of that round"
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and still coming forward punching

  

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38. "Bradley's gonna get himself knocked out."
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39. "Bradley not fighting his fight"
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I thought he was in control round 4/5 and manny was wearing down.

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57. "for some reason he started looking for homeruns"
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instead boxing & going to the body like he did to start the fight..
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40. "bradley is trying to sell the judges with all this showboating"
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while losing the last couple of rounds

  

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41. "Not really feeling Bradley's corner. He's not a brawler"
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But they seem to be coaching him like he's a knockout fighter.

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42. "So what's hurting? He looks like someone snatched his soul"
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dude just zapped.

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44. "when he's moving back? A knee?"
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hes not seemingly limping but maybe a meniscus?

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46. "His balance seems off. That might be fatigue though. "
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48. "they been whispering a lot back n forth at each other"
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He's throwing the fight!!!

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51. "Or telling him not to get touched too bad. They already paid the judges"
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49. "yea the way bradley has faded is surprising"
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i think manny power is taking a toll on him

  

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72. "His calf injury may be legit, but I also saw neurological issues"
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After Manny buzzed him the first time and
buckled him, he was fighting semi punch-drunk
at times, just not able to resist sling-shotting
wide shots that weren't landing while getting
pummeled straight down the middle.

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43. "whats floyd thinking?"
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45. "He regrets betting on the Broncos"
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47. "that bradley sux?"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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50. "bradley won that round"
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he ran his ass off but landed a couple of good rights

  

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52. "Bradley's fought with too much heart"
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Manny can't leave the last round in doubt.

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53. "yea this fight was a better version of the 1st one"
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i could see bradley getting this

  

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54. "It'd be some bullshit if he did, too."
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Just like the first fight.

  

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55. "Feels like manny did enough"
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56. "great win by manny. bring on the third fight"
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59. "Bradley started strong then started trying to hit homers.."
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Manny just boxed & scored in the middle rounds to take the lead..
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61. "Bradley would have been better served sticking to his guns"
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Tim looked to surprise Pac w/ the game plan but Manny was able to use that against him. He has no respectable KO power but he punched himself out throwing power punches left & right after which Manny went to work & didn't step off the gas pedal until the later rounds. I'm not sure how much Bradley was hampered by calf injury he sustained in the 1st rd. but dude was stubborn w/ his game plan & it came to bite him on the butt.

I'm assuming Pac's next 2 fights will be JMM/Bradley b/c Arum is going to keep it in the house. Would be surprised if we don't see JMM/Pac V...although JMM might be on his last legs by the time it happens.

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60. "This fight was as close as the first one"
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I had it 7-5 Bradley

Rds 1,3,5,6,7,9,10

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67. "I thought it was closer than the score as well but "
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I thought Manny was boxing more consistently this time around. Not waiting until the last minute to throw ineffective flurries. I also thought Bradley did himself a huge disservice by not mixing in scoring shots along with the power shots..


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68. "Agreed...I had it a draw"
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>Rds 1,3,5,6,7,9,10

Although our cards are totally different. I gave Bradley 1,4, 5, 6, 8, and 11.

4 was definitely a Bradley round, but 3 was definitely a Pacquiao round. After round 5 I thought the scoring was generally tougher though.

I do feel bad that this fight will like the last one be remembered as decisive and not the give-and-take that it was. 2 of the best 5 fighters in the world put on an outstanding fight, but only one guy gets credit and gets treated as a protagonist. I still am bothered that Lampley continued to reinforce that--fans can choose sides, whatever, but commentators shouldn't, plain and simple. Yes Pacquiao was excellent, but I think Bradley was proven right to degree--he probably had to gun for the KO. The fact that he fought that way and still held his own is really impressive to me.

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73. "RE: Agreed...I had it a draw"
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Yes Pacquiao was
>excellent, but I think Bradley was proven right to degree--he
>probably had to gun for the KO. The fact that he fought that
>way and still held his own is really impressive to me.

It was impressive from a willpower point of view, but
not a smart fight. He has negligible punching power and
i thought his technique looked extremely crude. He
was taken out of his strengths (boxing, sharp jab,
defensive slickness) - and I didn't think his reflexes
were all that sharp. Bradley's heart and will are
incredible, but he was outsmarted and out gunned, again.


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95. "This narrative is exactly what frustrates me"
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And I know it's the overwhelmingly popular one.

All I know is that I scored round-by-round for clean punching, watched with a clear mind and equal respect for both fighters, and came out with a draw.

But more discussion another day...

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82. "the way you two scored the fight shows how close those rounds are"
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but when your Dan Rafael, the tie always goes to Pacquaio.. lol

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62. "To me Manny isn't nearly Manny anymore. He won but still looks off"
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63. "Both of them look faded."
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Kieth Thurman would put both of them to sleep. I feel confident saying that knowing those fights will probably never happen :/

  

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80. "keith thurman who got rocked by gate keeper soto karass?"
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>Kieth Thurman would put both of them to sleep.

lol
cmon we done been down this road a couple of times recently with berto and broner
let's see thurman fight some elite level comp before we crown dude
he's open to be rocked, even by slow fighters like soto karass, and his punches are still loopy as shit. that's why GBP still has him on the gatekeeper tour schedule

  

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64. "I miss 2008 - 2010 Pacquiao"
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Or 2005-2010 Pacman.

but the sun don't shine forever.

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65. "Mayweather won. "
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69. "This fight was a revelation in many ways."
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~Bradley is very good, but not elite.

~Pacquiao has been able to re-capture some of his speed,
but he can't sustain his in & out bursts like he used to,
and has to pick his spots. He fights smarter now, but less
dynamic

~There's no need to see a 3rd fight, because while both
fights were competitive, Pacquiao clearly won and the same
thing would likely happen 9 out of 10 times. Bradley just
can't land anything of significance with any type of consistency
and resorts to wide, sloppy sling-shots whenever Manny flurries
on him, and Manny outlands him 3-to-1 in virtually every exchange
when they trade.

~The style their fights produce against each other are rather
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71. "Yea Manny aint better than Bradley"
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That fight was more of a Draw than anything.

What rds did you see Manny landing punches 3-1 because I saw that in 3-4 rds at max otherwise he was getting countered backing up and throwing flurries that didnt land.

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90. "~98%* of the expert boxing world disagrees w/ you."
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that is, the opinion that a./ Bradley won
the first fight; and b./ this fight was a draw.

You're in lonely territory there. But you're of
course entitled to your opinion, which isn't at all
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92. "Because they keeping in line with"
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whats popular not whats factual. To say Pacqiuao decisively won that fight is tom foolery.

He didnt win more than 3-4 rds decisively.

He was backpeddling most of the fight.

The first half of the fight he was getting counterpunched and out pointed.

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83. " Bradley is in the same class as Winky & 'em"
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>~Bradley is very good, but not elite.

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74. "Both of em are weak. Ughhh fight. Not impressed by either"
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75. "I thought Manny won a prettty close fight but I do wonder (as do so"
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many other boxing fans) what happened to his punching power

I know Bradley has a granite chin

but

Pacquiao has fought bigger fighters who also had good chins and his power affected ALL of them (Cotto/Margarito/Clottey/Mosley)

and the thing is, he still throws punches in volumes and from different angles but the pop doesn't seem to be there anymore

could it be because he's no longer on PEDS? just a thought

Because *if* the fight ever takes place between he and Floyd, he knows there will be random testing and maybe he has been clean in his last few fights (if he was really on the juice) to prepare for the fight w/o the extra advantage which would explain why we don't see the same power he displayed in his previous fights.



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76. "That roid accusation is seeming more and more interesting now"
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I mean Manny has been hitting guys clean in all his recent fights but he can't get them out of there and the blows don't appear to be rib and face shattering like against Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito. We could probably say it's age kicking in, but I dunno,

  

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78. "yeah I mean look at Marquez: he's a counter puncher and he's never"
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been known for his punching power and he knocked Manny out cold - for a long time

and I'm pretty sure he was juicing for that fight

he also knocked Manny down earlier in that fight w/one blow


>I mean Manny has been hitting guys clean in all his recent
>fights but he can't get them out of there and the blows don't
>appear to be rib and face shattering like against Cotto,
>Hatton, and Margarito. We could probably say it's age kicking
>in, but I dunno,

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79. "manny's power changed the complexion of this fight imo"
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the first couple rounds bradley was looking GREAT imo
then he got caught a couple of times and it was a wrap
honestly his lack of knockouts isn't THAT alarming if you actually peep who's he has been fighting since the knockouts stopped

joshua clottey: big as hell welterweight with a shell defense. don't think i've ever seen dude hurt before
margarito: big welterweight. broke bones in his face tho
mosley: never been knocked out
marquez: get's knocked down a lot but never knocked out
bradley: never knocked out
rios: never knocked out

  

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84. "yea Bradley lost his soul after round 4"
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he wanted to quit

Maybe it was part alf but he was done

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77. "Pac showed he can stick to a gameplan vs slick defender"
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That baby Ali shuffle at the end was his sign to the world "I still got it."

His punching power has slightly deminished but at 35 Pacquiao beat an undefeated American in his prime, a slick defender, when the world was saying he didn't have it anymore. With all that star power, that's gotta be at least 1M PPV buys.

Who's next for Manny in December? Ruslan, Marquez 5, Bradley 3, Maidana, Broner, Cotto 2...then Floyd huh lol

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81. ""no excuses, but... my leg""
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85. "Not sure if its PEDs but yea Manny isnt manny of 3 years ago"
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Its his footwork thats gone more than anything else. When I gave him a shot at beating floyd back then its when he used to use his footspeed to come in and out at different angles as much as his handspeed.

Its been talked about here by several people, but that Manny seems to be gone. If Manny is just gonna stand in front of people and get in a firefight, he's more of a B+/A- fighter --probably more B+ as he ages.


That style of footwork was something special and unrivaled in boxing. That era is over.

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86. "Boxers deteriorate from their feet up"
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>Its his footwork thats gone more than anything else.
I'm not quite sure why but it seems to me like every boxers legs turn into noodles once they are in their mid 30s......It's even more obvious in cats that aren't known for their hand-speed & depend so much on their footwork (see Winky Wright). Once they get caught w/ a couple of body shots their feet just goes out on them. It as if their body has reached a tipping point to where it can no longer tolerate punishing blows to the body.
I'm not surprised that BHop has been able to truck on past 40 b/c he doesn't take that much of a punishment b/c of his style.

>When I gave him a shot at beating floyd back then its when he used to
>use his footspeed to come in and out at different angles as
>much as his handspeed.
Noodle leg syndrome.

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87. "They aint squating or deadlifting lol"
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i've seen old men do that and all of a sudden dunk a basketball for the first time

but i dont think Manny is at that point...he's got them big Filipino calves.

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88. "which is why Floyd's evolution is so impressive to me"
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There was a time when he won fights with his
foot movement and below-the-waist speed. He can
still move, but not like he used to. However, he's
become much stronger in his upper-body and has evolved
into a fighter who can anchor himself in the canvas,
then rely on his reflexes and counter-punching -
while stationary - to out quick you, landing enough
power shots to even hurt you if you think you can
trade with him.

Nobody else can do what he does.

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89. "RE: which is why Floyd's evolution is so impressive to me"
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yea floyds legs are gone (relatively) so he adjusted his strategy and started planting his feet, rolling that shoulder, while throwing bombs in the pocket
think if he always fought that way he'd have a lot more knock outs

  

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91. "How many KOs does BHop have while using a similar strategy"
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>yea floyds legs are gone (relatively) so he adjusted his
>strategy and started planting his feet, rolling that shoulder,
>while throwing bombs in the pocket
>think if he always fought that way he'd have a lot more knock
>outs


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93. "Stop with. the myth making he doesnt move because he"
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doesnt have to in most cases.

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94. "He outboxed a slick defender in his prime...but got no footwork lol"
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He was able to cut off the ring more this time vs a more seasoned Bradley with 2 fully functional feet (strained calf).

To me that sounds like Pacquiao has gotten smarter since his 2 consecutive losses.

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