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Until folks recognize KG/Bron's greatness over Dirk glorified rental chip then I will return the hate to the Ayran race well at least until he erases the label of being the only Final MVP to never win a series or even a post-season game right after winning a chip. He's going to make the post-season by default (major injuries to PHX/MEM/Denver) even after being a leader of a team that has been choking away 4th quarter leads.

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and swept the defending champs along the way. You can keep crying about it all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

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LMAO @ you trying to bring up the sweep of the Lakers are anything meaningful......they were dead from the start. Although it did prove my theory that Bean ain't shyt w/o prime Shaq/Pau......so I appreciated being vindicated.

-Bron has himself said he wasn't himself in 2011 & anyone w/ two unbiased eyes could have seen it......dude was Milk Carton status. Muphuckin' JJ Barea outplayed Bron in the 4th quarter.

-Wade was the best all-around/most consistent player in the Finals

-Dirk didn't carry the team in the Finals......he shot 40% while playing his customary defense. JET closed out the series along w/ Barea while Matrix/Tyson/Kidd held it down defensively & were leaders of the team. Dirk just had an okay finals ....if you want to make a big deal out of that then go ahead b/c we all know Dirk is graded on a curve.

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>-Bron has himself said he wasn't himself in 2011 & anyone w/
>two unbiased eyes could have seen it......dude was Milk Carton
>status. Muphuckin' JJ Barea outplayed Bron in the 4th
>quarter.

Bron was himself until Dirk and the Mavs punched him in the mouth and he took his ball and went home.


>-Wade was the best all-around/most consistent player in the
>Finals

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0602/nba_g_wade15_576.jpg


>-Dirk didn't carry the team in the Finals......he shot 40%
>while playing his customary defense. JET closed out the series
>along w/ Barea while Matrix/Tyson/Kidd held it down
>defensively & were leaders of the team. Dirk just had an okay

Dirk shot 42%FG/54%TS putting up his customary playoffs 26 & 10, played solid team defense, made the game-winning shot in game 2, closed out the win in game 4 & was the best player on the court in game 5. He carried the team in the Finals and all your crying about it doesn't change that fact.

>finals ....if you want to make a big deal out of that then go
>ahead b/c we all know Dirk is graded on a curve.

LOL @ "we all know" when you're the only one saying that dumb shit. The only curve here is you giving Dirk all the blame when they lost and none of the credit when they won.

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>Bron was himself until Dirk and the Mavs punched him in the
>mouth and he took his ball and went home.
Dude wanted no blame so he let Wade do the work & wanted to play the wing-man role from the go.


>Dirk shot 42%FG/54%TS putting up his customary playoffs 26 &
>10
You have Roy Hibbert bossing single coverage against RuPaul on greater than 40% shooting. Besides anyone who's 7ft tall & DOESN'T have to CHALLENGE SHOTS can get 10 rebounds by hanging around the paint.

>played solid team defense
lets bring out the bell curve...Marc Cuban is rolling over in his grave

>made the game-winning shot in
>game 2,
The game Wade dominated on both ends.

>closed out the win in game 4
sure, that was more so the a defensive stance than Dirk or anyone else on the Mavs taking over offensively. Of course Bron was no where to be found.

> was the best player on
>the court in game 5.
That was the game where the Barea/JET duo first made it appearance in the 2nd half & carried it over to game 6...closing out both games.

>He carried the team in the Finals
He averaged empty 26 pts in the finals that doesn't include play-making/defense. That series was won on defense & Bron being Milk Carton status. As far as Finals MVP go based on the past 20 years: Carrying a team is Hakeem in 94/95; Shaq in 2000; Tim in 2003, Wade 2006.....then there is dominating series (Bean 2009, Shaq 2001-2)....then there is playing well in series (Pierce/Billups/Dirk/Top5). We all know what Cheese did so no need to mention.


>LOL @ "we all know" when you're the only one saying that dumb
>shit. The only curve here is you giving Dirk all the blame
>when they lost and none of the credit when they won.

I gave him credit for playing his role as the designated hitter while hitting for average but he wasn't throwing the pitch, catching, fielding nor tearing it up at the box like you guys make it seem like. That DOESN'T qualify for CARRYING THE TEAM..

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>>Bron was himself until Dirk and the Mavs punched him in the
>>mouth and he took his ball and went home.
>Dude wanted no blame so he let Wade do the work & wanted to
>play the wing-man role from the go.

NOPE bron was front-running through game 1 & first 3 quarters of game 2 until Dirk & JET punched him in the mouth and he took his ball and went home.


>>Dirk shot 42%FG/54%TS putting up his customary playoffs 26 &
>>10
>You have Roy Hibbert bossing single coverage against RuPaul on
>greater than 40% shooting.

54% TS, and 42% FG is same as Duncan in 2003 & Jordan in 1996 and better than Kobe in 2010.


Besides anyone who's 7ft tall &
>DOESN'T have to CHALLENGE SHOTS can get 10 rebounds by hanging
>around the paint.

... but they don't, and Dirk does.


>>played solid team defense
>lets bring out the bell curve...Marc Cuban is rolling over in
>his grave

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4698949/believe-it-or-not-dirk-plays-good-d

... wütend?


>>made the game-winning shot in
>>game 2,
>The game Wade dominated on both ends.

... except down the stretch when it mattered and Dirk took over the game.


>He averaged empty 26 pts in the finals that doesn't include
>play-making/defense. That series was won on defense & Bron

taking over games in crunchtime and making game-winning shots is empty pts? why you trying to lie about shit that everybody saw with their own two eyes?


>being Milk Carton status. As far as Finals MVP go based on the
>past 20 years: Carrying a team is Hakeem in 94/95; Shaq in
>2000; Tim in 2003,

He's not as good as those guys and nobody ever said he was.

>Wade 2006.....

http://halliecrawford.com/careerblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/whistle.jpg


>....then there is playing well
>in series (Pierce/Billups/Dirk/Top5).

Dirk is better than those guys & the team around him wasn't as good as theirs.


>I gave him credit for playing his role as the designated
>hitter while hitting for average but he wasn't throwing the
>pitch,

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/assets/2011/10/dirk-nowitzki-world-series.jpg

>catching, fielding nor tearing it up at the box like
>you guys make it seem like. That DOESN'T qualify for CARRYING
>THE TEAM..

Uh huh, and what was the last World Series Championship lineup built around a singles-hitting DH? LOL - your idiotic analogy just reinforces how wrong and dumb your entire argument is. well done.

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>NOPE bron was front-running through game 1 & first 3 quarters
>of game 2 until Dirk & JET punched him in the mouth and he
>took his ball and went home.
All through 2010-11 Wade was the closer...Bron played the Pippen role.

>54% TS, and 42% FG is same as Duncan in 2003 & Jordan in 1996
>and better than Kobe in 2010.
-lol.....Bean & MJ were terrible in 2010 & 1996 as far as shooting from the field...Bean/MJ detractors always bring up 2010/1996 to tarnish their careers but alas they have more than ONE chip & none of them happen to be rental.
-Tim was drawing a double teams every time he touched the ball & was shooting over Deke plus Tim was a mediocre FT shooter at that time & never shoots 3s which greatly skews the TS%.


>http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4698949/believe-it-or-not-dirk-plays-good-d
>
>... wütend?
NOPE!

>... except down the stretch when it mattered and Dirk took
>over the game.
He was able to do so b/c his teammates showed up while Wade's teammate folded.


>He's not as good as those guys and nobody ever said he was.
If he doesn't belong in that group then he DIDN'T CARRY the team....he just played well.

>>Wade 2006.....
>
>http://halliecrawford.com/careerblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/whistle.jpg
As if Dirk wasn't living at the line in 2011

>>....then there is playing well
>>in series (Pierce/Billups/Dirk/Top5).
>
>Dirk is better than those guys & the team around him wasn't as
>good as theirs.
Dirk is a better player but his Finals performance in the wasn't any better.

>http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/assets/2011/10/dirk-nowitzki-world-series.jpg
**Golf clap**


>Uh huh, and what was the last World Series Championship lineup
>built around a singles-hitting DH?
My point is that Dirk is a DH who wasn't exactly tearing it up at the plate. Nothing about the team being built around a DH hitting "for power" or "for average".

>LOL - your idiotic analogy
>just reinforces how wrong and dumb your entire argument is.
>well done.
I'm not sure what's not to understand about the analogy of Dirk being a DH. I used the term "for average" in bball terms as in he shot average (I can see where that can be confusing but still.....)

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i dont think anyone would elevate dirk above bron and generally kg is considered the better player, too. this seems like bitching for the sake of it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

He destroyed burnt out Pau & wet-behind the ears Ibaka but he was average in the Finals (Wade was the best player).

Marion/Kidd/Chandler/Stevenson were the once holding it down defensively & if you look at it they won the chip w/ their defense & timely shots (JET/Dirk). (They almost lost to PDX in the 1st Rd w/ a gimpy Brandon Roy)

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cmon man, you are really going out of your way to discredit every bit of that run. they ANNIHILATED the defending champions and then smoked a team that would the next two. there is no underplaying that.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Fuck Dirk. I never liked him and still don't. He is an all-time great scorer though.

FILF, I fail to understand how you somehow have left KG off your list of Duncan's nemeses who must be reviled. KG is at that list for me. Dirk is better than or equal to KG, at least he is not scared to take a crunchtime shot, even if it will be a brick.

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>FILF, I fail to understand how you somehow have left KG off
>your list of Duncan's nemeses who must be reviled. KG is at
>that list for me. Dirk is better than or equal to KG, at least
>he is not scared to take a crunch time shot, even if it will be
>a brick.

He played most of his career w/ muphukin' Wally as his side kick who happens be to nothing more than Kyle Korver w/ a post-up game. Plus, his game wasn't conducive to being a crunch time scorer. He was basically 7ft version of Bron who did much more than just score. On the other hand Dirk was paid to simply score just like Hibbert is paid to man the paint......& he failed miserably on the grandest of stages on multiple occasion.

KG showed everyone what he was capable when surrounded by decent side kicks in 2004 & yet again in 2008. Dirk played w/ a bunch on all-stars or boarder-line all-stars throughout his career dude has no excuses.

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>>FILF, I fail to understand how you somehow have left KG off
>>your list of Duncan's nemeses who must be reviled. KG is at
>>that list for me. Dirk is better than or equal to KG, at
>least
>>he is not scared to take a crunch time shot, even if it will
>be
>>a brick.
>
>He played most of his career w/ muphukin' Wally as his side
>kick who happens be to nothing more than Kyle Korver w/ a
>post-up game.

Sczerbiak was way better than Korver, what are you talking about? Korver can't even dribble. I guess Spree, Cassell, Smith, don't count?
Garnett got swept by Dirk's Mavs. How you gonna get swept?

Plus, his game wasn't conducive to being a
>crunch time scorer. He was basically 7ft version of Bron who
>did much more than just score.

LOL @ "a 7ft version of Bron". You gettin that good dro, huh?


On the other hand Dirk was paid
>to simply score just like Hibbert is paid to man the
>paint......& he failed miserably on the grandest of stages on
>multiple occasion.

Except for the time he didn't and won as the first option, something Garnett never could do.

>
>KG showed everyone what he was capable when surrounded by
>decent side kicks in 2004 & yet again in 2008.

Garnett was one of the sidekicks when he won it all.

Dirk played w/
>a bunch on all-stars or boarder-line all-stars throughout his
>career dude has no excuses.

I'm not making excuses for Dirk, I can't stand him. KG is just a worse person and basketball player.

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>Sczerbiak was way better than Korver, what are you talking
>about? Korver can't even dribble.
Ohhhh, how could have I discounted Wally's handles & ability to create shots for himself. I will take Ryan Anderson over Wally 7 days of the week.

>I guess Spree, Cassell,
>Smith, don't count?
I did mention 2004....the year KG took down C-Webb & the mighty Kings. Not to mention Spree/Cassell were on the wrong side of 30 at that time & Cassell was playing injured the whole post-season.

>Garnett got swept by Dirk's Mavs. How you gonna get swept?
KG was playing w/ Sam muphuckin' Mitchell while Dirk had Finley/Nash/Van Exel...besides didn't Bean get swept by Dirk.

>Plus, his game wasn't conducive to being a
>>crunch time scorer. He was basically 7ft version of Bron who
>>did much more than just score.
>
>LOL @ "a 7ft version of Bron". You gettin that good dro, huh?
uhhhhhh...folks are going goo-goo ga-ga over Joakim, when KG already did everything Noah is doing right now & while averaging 20+PPG not just one year but throughout his prime.

>On the other hand Dirk was paid
>>to simply score just like Hibbert is paid to man the
>>paint......& he failed miserably on the grandest of stages
>on
>>multiple occasion.
>
>Except for the time he didn't and won as the first option,
>something Garnett never could do.
Based on that logic then Billups is better than KG.

>>KG showed everyone what he was capable when surrounded by
>>decent side kicks in 2004 & yet again in 2008.
>
>Garnett was one of the sidekicks when he won it all.
It's a team game; dude manned up on defense & played selfless on offense. It wasn't like Pierce/Ray were CONSISTENT offensively throughout the 2008 post-season. Dirk also shot 40% in the Finals & won Finals MVP by default although he was outplayed by Wade & JET was the one the closed out the series.


>I'm not making excuses for Dirk, I can't stand him. KG is just
>a worse person and basketball player.
KG never talked shit to anyone through the social media unlike today's so called superstars, he talked smack ON THE COURT & backed it up....it ain't like he was muphukin' Kendrick Perkins. Everyone that played w/ KG has said he was a great teammate (unlike Bean & em) it's not his job to baby the opponent.

I don't see folks complaining about Joakim talking constant smack on the court. GP did it, Reggie did it......a bunch of hall-of-famers did it.

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>>Sczerbiak was way better than Korver, what are you talking
>>about? Korver can't even dribble.
>Ohhhh, how could have I discounted Wally's handles & ability
>to create shots for himself. I will take Ryan Anderson over
>Wally 7 days of the week.

Cool story but just so long as we are both clear that the comparison was not valid.

>
>>I guess Spree, Cassell,
>>Smith, don't count?
>I did mention 2004....the year KG took down C-Webb & the
>mighty Kings. Not to mention Spree/Cassell were on the wrong
>side of 30 at that time & Cassell was playing injured the
>whole post-season.

so, one year, KG manned up and beat a good team. Then got bounced. Okay, cool.

>
>>Garnett got swept by Dirk's Mavs. How you gonna get swept?
>KG was playing w/ Sam muphuckin' Mitchell while Dirk had
>Finley/Nash/Van Exel...besides didn't Bean get swept by Dirk.
>

You are the one saying KG is all that, not me. If he was that much better, he wouldn't have gotten swept by a Mavs team that was good but certainly not great.

>
>>Plus, his game wasn't conducive to being a
>>>crunch time scorer. He was basically 7ft version of Bron
>who
>>>did much more than just score.
>>
>>LOL @ "a 7ft version of Bron". You gettin that good dro,
>huh?
>uhhhhhh...folks are going goo-goo ga-ga over Joakim, when KG
>already did everything Noah is doing right now & while
>averaging 20+PPG not just one year but throughout his prime.
>

No one is calling Noah the taller version of Lebron. No one ever will, no matter how much they appreciate his game. So, this is irrelevant. You are trying to elevate Garnett's bitchass to a level he does not belong in. He is about at worst, an intense and motivated Rasheed Wallace and at best, about as good as Dirk.


>>On the other hand Dirk was paid
>>>to simply score just like Hibbert is paid to man the
>>>paint......& he failed miserably on the grandest of stages
>>on
>>>multiple occasion.
>>
>>Except for the time he didn't and won as the first option,
>>something Garnett never could do.
>Based on that logic then Billups is better than KG.

Luckily there are other things involved, but to say that counts for nothing would be preposterous.

>
>>>KG showed everyone what he was capable when surrounded by
>>>decent side kicks in 2004 & yet again in 2008.
>>
>>Garnett was one of the sidekicks when he won it all.
>It's a team game; dude manned up on defense & played selfless
>on offense. It wasn't like Pierce/Ray were CONSISTENT
>offensively throughout the 2008 post-season.

He did his job. And his job description was apt for his abilities. Which were just as limited as Dirk's, in a different way.

Dirk also shot
>40% in the Finals & won Finals MVP by default although he was
>outplayed by Wade & JET was the one the closed out the
>series.
>

I hate Dirk and can admit he blazed that postseason. Anyone with eyes saw it.

>
>>I'm not making excuses for Dirk, I can't stand him. KG is
>just
>>a worse person and basketball player.
>KG never talked shit to anyone through the social media unlike
>today's so called superstars, he talked smack ON THE COURT &
>backed it up....it ain't like he was muphukin' Kendrick
>Perkins.

HE backed up what, exactly? Talking shit about Duncans dead moms and then losing like always?

>
>I don't see folks complaining about Joakim talking constant
>smack on the court. GP did it, Reggie did it......a bunch of
>hall-of-famers did it.
>
Yeah and lots of people don't care for those dudes. Reggie also had a sense of humor and theater and Noah is just being histrionic. Garnett's whole thing is faked intensity and overdramatic posing for cameras. Studio Thuggin' gets no love.

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>I will take Ryan Anderson over
>>Wally 7 days of the week.
>
>Cool story but just so long as we are both clear that the
>comparison was not valid.
What don't you tell how Wally's career turned out once he left Minny? Mike Miller ended up having a better career than Wally's bum ass.

>so, one year, KG manned up and beat a good team. Then got
>bounced. Okay, cool.
...As if they play 1-on-1 in the NBA


>You are the one saying KG is all that, not me. If he was that
>much better, he wouldn't have gotten swept by a Mavs team that
>was good but certainly not great.
I said KG is better than Dirk.....I never said KG was Kareem Dirk was Kwame Brown or something of that nature.


>
>No one is calling Noah the taller version of Lebron.
Yeah, because his offensive game is lacking unlike KG.

> You are trying to elevate Garnett's
>bitchass to a level he does not belong in. He is about at
>worst, an intense and motivated Rasheed Wallace
Is that a compliment or an insult. A motivated Sheed was going mano-a-mano against Timmay & winning some of those battles.


>Luckily there are other things involved, but to say that
>counts for nothing would be preposterous.
Yeah such as playing defense


>He did his job. And his job description was apt for his
>abilities. Which were just as limited as Dirk's, in a
>different way.
KG didn't have any limitation as far as the basic are concerned.

>I hate Dirk and can admit he blazed that postseason. Anyone
>with eyes saw it.
I'm specifically talking about the Finals...otherwise he ended MVPau's career in 2011 just like KG ended Sheed's career in 2008.


>HE backed up what, exactly? Talking shit about Duncans dead
>moms and then losing like always?
He did his part (he matched Timmay bucket for bucket) but his teammate (i.e Sam Mitchell) were MIA

>Yeah and lots of people don't care for those dudes. Reggie
>also had a sense of humor and theater and Noah is just being
>histrionic. Garnett's whole thing is faked intensity and
>overdramatic posing for cameras. Studio Thuggin' gets no
>love.
Condolences that KG didn't stand up for your father during the contract negotiation so your father could feed you Mr. Spreewell Jr.

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KG was a more rounded player than Dirk but Dirk's offensive singularity and the fact that he could win as a first option, makes him slightly better IMO.

You think KG is a much better player than Dirk, for the array of both legitimate and preposterous reasons you have given.

Unless I am missing something, we are probably done here, no?

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>KG was a more rounded player than Dirk but Dirk's offensive
>singularity and the fact that he could win as a first option,
>makes him slightly better IMO.
Dude rented a chip when the Western conference was undergoing a change of guards & more importantly when Bron was Missing In Action....that was it.....Dirk lead team are infamous for collapsing under pressure not winning. Again all I'm asking in one playoff run in to validated the 2011 chip. But yet it's been 3 years & dude still hasn't won a single post-season game let alone a series which I believe is an accomplishment all by itself.

>You think KG is a much better player than Dirk, for the array
>of both legitimate and preposterous reasons you have given.
>
>Unless I am missing something, we are probably done here, no?

I need cats to acknowledge KG is a better player than Dirk.
-Just an equally EFFICIENT scorer as Dirk (Dirk is a better shooter)
-Better Leader
-Better defender
-Makes teammates better (just ask Wally/Troy Hudson/Perk... et al)
-Has more intangibles
-Never let Matt Barnes check him in the post

KG won DOPY & was a perennial while Dirk is being called out by his owner about "taking a nap on defense" (http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/17/5657430/mavericks-notes-mark-cuban-calls.html)

And you're telling despite what's listed above Dirk shooting 40% in the Finals while Terry closed out the series against a Heat team that was led by Milk Carton status Bron makes Dirk a better player. Not to mention his history of choking while playing along side a future MVP & multiple All-Stars.

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Dude hasn't won a post-season GAME since 2011......2014 & still waiting.

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At least you're sticking to your guns. That's... admirable?

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Dude put up numbers against washed up Pau, wet-behind-the-ear Ibaka while taking a nap on defense & shooting 40% in the finals. Not to mention it was JET/Barea that closed out the series & Kidd/Tyson were the LEADERS of the team.

What so impressive about being Milk Carton status Bron while being outplayed by Wade? I'm not impressed by that whatsoever......the fact he ain't even won a fuckin' GAME in the post-season ever since supports my argument. His history of failing miserably in the grandest stages isn't going to be erased by a meres asterisk worthy rental chip in 2011 that he has yet to come close to vindicating whatsoever.

P.S. KG was the one responsible for running bath-salts Bron out of Cleveland but I ain't never heard anyone, including me, bring that up as an argument on KG's behalf. On the other hand Dirk greatest achievement is being part of a team that Milk Carton status Bron. Shyt, 37 year old Tim had Bath-Salts Bron (w/ championship experience) on his knees before Ray bailed him out.....but nope nobody is using that to augment Timmay's career. Basically, the argument for Dirk is based on a suspect achievement but then that is all Dirk has to hang onto so far, welp.

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>career. Basically, the argument for Dirk is based on a suspect
>achievement but then that is all Dirk has to hang onto so far,
>welp.

... um, read that subject line again.

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Type of dude who vehemently insists in his will that when he dies, they damn well better not bury him next to a black or a mexican or a chinese!

He's legit angry Dirk gets to sit at the winners table. Very weird.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

This whole debate began in a post about whether Dirk was better than KG ......and let me tell ya; cats solely leaned on 2011 to claim Dirk was better. That has more to do w/ cats being anti-Bron & rooting for anyone who could take down the Heatles.

Cats have been putting down KG & still do based on what occurred in Minny same w/ Bron in Cleveland while glorifying Dirk based on 2011. Basically I'm point out how overblown Dirk's performance in 2011 is thus, they will realize their argument that KG isn't better than Dirk just because of 2011 is not as strong as they believe it to be.

Otherwise, Dirk is a one way player who had a great regular season record & a pretty good post-season career as a SCORER. Let's not glorify him anymore than that....end of story.

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got his chip

and your soul is still hurt after all these years.

Basically, unless your Chris Bosh, there's no reason for you to be this much of a crybaby over his moment in the sun. You've been doing everything you can to discount this inclusion in the Winners Circle.
It's personal and you're fighting a losing battle.

Carry on. Time heals all wounds.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

no mo dinners to fart in.

And one guy is debating it. STILL

LOL....only on OKS

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you guys are like those folks who get carried away while listening to boxing blow-by-blow guys wax poetic about some dude throwing flurries that end up being blocked.

Dirk dominated washed up Pau & wet behind the ears Ibaka but the Finals are a totally different story.
-Dirk shot 40% while displaying his customary all around game (which happens to be none) then you had JET closing out the series against Milk Carton status Bron & Dirk carried the team in the FINALS.....something doesn't add up.

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Tell us more about where Dirk Diggled you.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

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>You've been doing everything you can to discount this
>inclusion in the Winners Circle.
>It's personal and you're fighting a losing battle.

Same battle cats have been waging to discount KG/Bron.....but I ain't never heard you defending them b/c Bron is seen as a threat to your boy Bean & a HEALTHY KG led a team that embarrassed Bean & crew in 2008.
As long as Dirk doesn't validate his 2011 rental chip then Cheese-Eyes are 'em will be handing him left overs at the winners table.

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>Same battle cats have been waging to discount KG/Bron.....but
>I ain't never heard you defending them b/c Bron is seen as a
>threat to your boy Bean & a HEALTHY KG led a team that
>embarrassed Bean & crew in 2008.

Uh... what does this have to do with you being hurt over Dirk winning a title? I'm not even going to address that nonsense, nor the contextual shit you're leaving out.


>As long as Dirk doesn't validate his 2011 rental chip then
>Cheese-Eyes are 'em will be handing him left overs at the
>winners table.

LOL talk about moving a goal post.

Winning a title validates winning a title. A title does not need further validation, unless your a crying ass cry baby crying because a player you hate for no good reason won it.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

besides, I NEVER said he would have to win ANOTHER TITLE to validate 2011......he just needs another post-season run at least get to the conference finals or something .......as of now if he ends his career w/o winning a fuckin' post-season GAME after winning a title it's going to be beyond shameful just like him accepting the MVP trophy after being bounced in the 1st rd in 2007. It just validates the narrative that HE NEEDS players to MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD........RATHER THAN HIM MAKING his TEAMMATES BETTER.

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to validate an NBA championship.

How are you going to go around calling people an idiot when you're over here talking about how he needs to validate a world champion? lol. While we're at it, since your so incredulous with that bullshit "I NEVER said he would have to win ANOTHER TITLE to validate 2011" line, how about you point me to where I said or even remotely implied that you said he'd need ANOTHER TITLE?

LOL

Look at you over here yelling at traffic like a lunatic.

The whole notion that he needs validation is absurd, and you can stop getting bent out of shape over nonexistent words any time.

Winning a title is it's own validation, but you're so clearly hurt by his title on a personal level you've decided that winning a title against a team sporting three all stars in the prime of their career isn't enough.

Your entire steeze regarding Dirk is pretty much the definition of sour grapes.

Oh, and you can clown the lottery all you want. The bottom line is Lakers season and Spurs season will end with both teams without a title, and everyone with a brain knows the Lakers will have another O'Brien trophy on the shelf before the Spurs will.

Further, the Lakers are still a more important and more interesting squad even as lotto fodder than the Spurs are when they're winning titles. The whole Dirk issue boils down to your pathetic inferiority complex, which has been obvious from day one. Cry about it some more, why don't you.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

i still blame hip-hop.

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just sayin

To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

I think so.

Tony Parker had way more help.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

Tony was on the bench when they won in 2003. He would have been nothing more than Ty Lawson w/o Pop & 'em.

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competition.

parker has had a fantastic career, but he's nowhere near dirk.

i still blame hip-hop.

I would say Hakeem still holds that title. You look at potential HOF'ers and existing ones, you'd have to look at Nash, T5T, Manu, Deke, Petro and Sabonis. I guess the argument could be made for Nash. Petro is more a case of what could have been, Sabonis is too but for different reasons.

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(just in case anyone forgot)

http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/

"Dirk is one of the 20 best basketball players of all time by any calculation. He’s the best foreign player ever not named Hakeem. Of the 10 best forwards ever, he’s behind Bird, LeBron and Duncan, right there with Doc, Elgin and Pettit, and ahead of Malone, Barkley and Rick Barry. (Sorry, John Havlicek — I didn’t count you because you were technically a “swingman.”) He won an MVP and a Finals MVP. He made four first-team All-NBA’s and five second-team All-NBA’s. He won 50-plus games for 11 straight years, topped 60 wins three times, made two Finals, beat LeBron and Wade in the Finals, and won a Game 7 in San Antonio during Duncan’s prime.

And it’s not like he had a ton of help. In 15 years, he played with only four All-Stars: Jason Kidd (2010), Josh Howard (2007), Steve Nash (2002 and 2003) and Michael Finley (2000 and 2001). Amazing but true: Dirk never played with a Hall of Famer in that Hall of Famer’s prime.

During Dirk’s decade-long peak (2002 through 2011), he averaged 24.5 points and 8.8 rebounds and came damned close to creating the 10-Year 50-40-90 Club (48% FG, 39% 3FG, 89% FT). His career PER (23.48) ranks 19th all time, just behind Doc (23.58) and Bird (23.5) and just ahead of Kobe (23.36). And he was an absolutely phenomenal playoff performer: 25.6 PPG (12th all time), 24.2 PER (12th), 22.6 win shares (16th), stellar 46-37-89% splits in 135 games, and a couple of epic multigame hot streaks in 2006 and 2011. Along with Pettit, Hakeem and Elgin, he’s one of four players in the shot-clock era who averaged 25 and 10 in the playoffs. And he’s an underrated leader, a famously fantastic locker-room guy, an insanely hard worker and someone who, by all accounts, everyone loved playing with at every point of his career."

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>Amazing but true: Dirk never played with a Hall of
>Famer in that Hall of Famer’s prime.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

>>Amazing but true: Dirk never played with a Hall of
>>Famer in that Hall of Famer’s prime.
>

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There’s a reason they let him walk.

They thought he was too old and would be done by the time his contract was up.

There’s a reason everyone was shocked to hell when he went all Super Saiyan in Phoenix.

It’s telling that you’re pretending his prime was when he was in Dallas, putting up 14/9 and barely made one All Star team and not when he was in Phoenix putting up 18/11, a fixture on the all star team and winning back to back MVP’s on a team more stacked and better balanced with more players in their prime at one time than any team Dirk had.

Yeah. We’re done here.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

Dude was muphuckin' 30 before he left the Mavs. Cuban also let Tyson Chandler go b/c he didn't want to give him a LONG TERM contract & ended up bringing him back when his contract was about to expire. Cuban was a terrible wanna be GM who signed Shimmy Walker to play CENTER.

The reason Nash didn't put up #s w/ the Mavs was b/c Dirk wasn't a PnR player but rather an ISO player. Meanwhile Nash's forte happens to be the PnR.

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And since this is Dirk we're talking about, you're going to pretend there's no middle ground between "HOF player in his prime" and "role player"

Yeah. Like I said, we're done here.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

Dirk held him back & D'Antoni allowed him to excel...any other claim about Nash not being in his prime during his time w/ the Mavs is laughable.

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Seriously.

lol.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

if you want to say he wasn't in that good in Dallas, then he wasn't that good in Phx and the stats are a mirage.

Which, lol, I'm willing to listen to. But he didn't just magically turn into a a different player.

He was criminally underrated there because they managed his minutes and shared the ball. But he was quietly spectacular, running a high tempo offense with great efficiency. That's why he was able to take it to another level in Phoenix, they were even higher tempo and he dominated the ball much more.

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>(just in case anyone forgot)
>
>http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/
>
>"Dirk is one of the 20 best basketball players of all time by
>any calculation. He’s the best foreign player ever not named
>Hakeem. Of the 10 best forwards ever, he’s behind Bird, LeBron
>and Duncan, right there with Doc, Elgin and Pettit, and ahead
>of Malone, Barkley and Rick Barry.

I don't think he's better than Barkley or Malone...


>(Sorry, John Havlicek — I
>didn’t count you because you were technically a “swingman.”)
>He won an MVP and a Finals MVP. He made four first-team
>All-NBA’s and five second-team All-NBA’s. He won 50-plus games
>for 11 straight years, topped 60 wins three times, made two
>Finals, beat LeBron and Wade in the Finals, and won a Game 7
>in San Antonio during Duncan’s prime.
>
>And it’s not like he had a ton of help. In 15 years, he played
>with only four All-Stars: Jason Kidd (2010), Josh Howard
>(2007), Steve Nash (2002 and 2003) and Michael Finley (2000
>and 2001). Amazing but true: Dirk never played with a Hall of
>Famer in that Hall of Famer’s prime.

some of that is misleading, Dirk played with a lot of talented guys that may not have made a lot of All-Star teams playing with Dirk but they were still All-Star players, Kidd is obviously a 10-time All-Star and HOF'er, Nash is a 8-time All-Star, 2-time MVP and HOF'er, Finley only made 2 ASG's but probably should've made more, unfortunately his prime coincided with the primes of a lot of all-time great HOF players in the late 90's/early 00's, but for a 5 or 6 year stretch Finley was one of the best all-around wing players in the NBA averaging 20,5&5 forming a "big 3" for Dallas along with Dirk and Nash.

Not to mention he played with other people in their primes like Jamison and Walker that were All-Stars on other teams but they just didn't have as many scoring opportunities with Dirk. Then there were other former All-Stars that were slightly past their primes but still good like Stackhouse, Van Exel, Tim Hardaway, Matrix and Chandler. Jason Terry may have never been an All-Star but he has been a very good player for a very long time so the narrative that Dirk didn't have "a ton of help" is kinda bogus.

>During Dirk’s decade-long peak (2002 through 2011), he
>averaged 24.5 points and 8.8 rebounds and came damned close to
>creating the 10-Year 50-40-90 Club (48% FG, 39% 3FG, 89% FT).
>His career PER (23.48) ranks 19th all time, just behind Doc
>(23.58) and Bird (23.5) and just ahead of Kobe (23.36). And he
>was an absolutely phenomenal playoff performer: 25.6 PPG (12th
>all time), 24.2 PER (12th), 22.6 win shares (16th), stellar
>46-37-89% splits in 135 games, and a couple of epic multigame
>hot streaks in 2006 and 2011. Along with Pettit, Hakeem and
>Elgin, he’s one of four players in the shot-clock era who
>averaged 25 and 10 in the playoffs. And he’s an underrated
>leader, a famously fantastic locker-room guy, an insanely hard
>worker and someone who, by all accounts, everyone loved
>playing with at every point of his career."

As great as his offensive numbers were one of the main reasons his teams didn't win more was because its tough to hide a defensive liability at the PF position, lol.

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say he's better than them...

I think I would prefer him over Malone, though, but not Barkley

Because of Malone's inability to create his own shot and lack of handles, I'm one of those who believes a huge part of his success was due to playing w/Stockton - definitely think he benefited more from playing w/playing Stockton than vice versa



>>(just in case anyone forgot)
>>
>>http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/
>>
>>"Dirk is one of the 20 best basketball players of all time
>by
>>any calculation. He’s the best foreign player ever not named
>>Hakeem. Of the 10 best forwards ever, he’s behind Bird,
>LeBron
>>and Duncan, right there with Doc, Elgin and Pettit, and
>ahead
>>of Malone, Barkley and Rick Barry.
>
>I don't think he's better than Barkley or Malone...
>
>
>>(Sorry, John Havlicek — I
>>didn’t count you because you were technically a “swingman.”)
>>He won an MVP and a Finals MVP. He made four first-team
>>All-NBA’s and five second-team All-NBA’s. He won 50-plus
>games
>>for 11 straight years, topped 60 wins three times, made two
>>Finals, beat LeBron and Wade in the Finals, and won a Game 7
>>in San Antonio during Duncan’s prime.
>>
>>And it’s not like he had a ton of help. In 15 years, he
>played
>>with only four All-Stars: Jason Kidd (2010), Josh Howard
>>(2007), Steve Nash (2002 and 2003) and Michael Finley (2000
>>and 2001). Amazing but true: Dirk never played with a Hall
>of
>>Famer in that Hall of Famer’s prime.
>
>some of that is misleading, Dirk played with a lot of talented
>guys that may not have made a lot of All-Star teams playing
>with Dirk but they were still All-Star players, Kidd is
>obviously a 10-time All-Star and HOF'er, Nash is a 8-time
>All-Star, 2-time MVP and HOF'er, Finley only made 2 ASG's but
>probably should've made more, unfortunately his prime
>coincided with the primes of a lot of all-time great HOF
>players in the late 90's/early 00's, but for a 5 or 6 year
>stretch Finley was one of the best all-around wing players in
>the NBA averaging 20,5&5 forming a "big 3" for Dallas along
>with Dirk and Nash.
>
>Not to mention he played with other people in their primes
>like Jamison and Walker that were All-Stars on other teams but
>they just didn't have as many scoring opportunities with Dirk.
>Then there were other former All-Stars that were slightly past
>their primes but still good like Stackhouse, Van Exel, Tim
>Hardaway, Matrix and Chandler. Jason Terry may have never been
>an All-Star but he has been a very good player for a very long
>time so the narrative that Dirk didn't have "a ton of help" is
>kinda bogus.
>
>>During Dirk’s decade-long peak (2002 through 2011), he
>>averaged 24.5 points and 8.8 rebounds and came damned close
>to
>>creating the 10-Year 50-40-90 Club (48% FG, 39% 3FG, 89%
>FT).
>>His career PER (23.48) ranks 19th all time, just behind Doc
>>(23.58) and Bird (23.5) and just ahead of Kobe (23.36). And
>he
>>was an absolutely phenomenal playoff performer: 25.6 PPG
>(12th
>>all time), 24.2 PER (12th), 22.6 win shares (16th), stellar
>>46-37-89% splits in 135 games, and a couple of epic
>multigame
>>hot streaks in 2006 and 2011. Along with Pettit, Hakeem and
>>Elgin, he’s one of four players in the shot-clock era who
>>averaged 25 and 10 in the playoffs. And he’s an underrated
>>leader, a famously fantastic locker-room guy, an insanely
>hard
>>worker and someone who, by all accounts, everyone loved
>>playing with at every point of his career."
>
>As great as his offensive numbers were one of the main reasons
>his teams didn't win more was because its tough to hide a
>defensive liability at the PF position, lol.
>

grassrootsphilosopher

Barkley was as good as Dirk when it came to getting buckets but he was also a monster rebounder & much better play maker. Malone on the other hand wasn't a great ISO scorer & didn't have much of a post game thus he couldn't come through in the clutch. Although Malone was a much better playmaker/defender.

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25 and 10 in the 'offs? with a 46-37-89 split? that's pretty fucking nasty.

that 2011 kobe/durant/bron triple play is right up there w/ dream's ewing/admiral/shaq trifecta.

boy's resume is official.

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>that 2011 kobe/durant/bron triple play is right up there w/
>dream's ewing/admiral/shaq trifecta.
FOH....Dream was the BEST defender in the muphuckin' league & didn't have anyone resembling JET/Kidd/Chandler/Marion. Dirk isn't sniffing Dream 94 & Tim's '03 run. Plus, Dirk shot 42% in the Finals.

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in what universe is dirk better than barkley or malone?

rick barry is an interesting comparison. i would possibly lean toward barry, who is overlooked as just an incredible volume scorer, but i could see an argument for dirk. certainly in a scenario where i was taking one guy or the other from the outset of their career, i would take dirk. much more of a calming presence. i won't say barry wasn't a leader or a team player, but he was abrasive and mercurial. talent wise it's very close.

the other guys, I mean what does "right there with" mean? could he be compared? is he in the conversation? i guess, but that doesn't mean a lot.

i would agree with the broader claim that he is one of the 20 best forwards, but i think simmons is doing way too much putting him ahead of barkley and malone. barkley at his best was an incredible force, he had the best peak of the three. malone is consistently overlooked, he easily had the best career of any PF ever (i consider duncan to be a center).

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2nd all-time leading scorer in NBA history, was top 5 in the league in scoring for 12 years straight, and underrated passer, and multi 1st All-defense performer, won 2 MVP's beating out the GOAT for one them, his only crime is that he could beat the greatest player of all-time playing on one of the greatest teams of all time for the greatest coach of all-time.

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>his only crime is that he could beat the greatest player of all-time playing on one of
>the greatest teams of all time for the greatest coach of all-time.

karl malone played 19 nba seasons. he lost to jordan's teams twice. he had plenty of other opportunities to win.

you COPPING PLEAS about dude getting beat by king koopa, when most of the time he wasn't even getting past the hammer brothers.

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

scorer, who was Karl Malone's next best teammate? Jeff Hornacek? Dudes have never lined up to go to Utah to play with the Jazz, the fact that he and Stockton kept the Jazz competitive all those years are remarkable in itself.

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