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"Poll question: Best post-1985 NFL defense"


  

          

(another reactionary Monday after the Super Bowl question)

Poll result (35 votes)
1990 New York Giants (1 votes)Vote
1991 Philadelphia Eagles (5 votes)Vote
2000 Baltimore Ravens (19 votes)Vote
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (3 votes)Vote
2013 Seattle Seahawks (7 votes)Vote

  

  

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'91 Eagles, then '00 Ravens, then '14 Hawks, then '02 Bucs
Feb 03rd 2014
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pretty much my thoughts though that bucs d was pretty nasty
Feb 04th 2014
38
      true, all these defenses were tho, I give them the nod over '90 Giants
Feb 04th 2014
53
I say Ravens but '13 Hawks had best SB performance
Feb 03rd 2014
2
86 Giants were pretty bad ass too, and actually statistically the 86...
Feb 03rd 2014
3
RE: Best post-1985 NFL defense
Feb 03rd 2014
4
lol wat.
Feb 03rd 2014
5
the fuck are you talking about they weren't the best defense in '91?!?!
Feb 03rd 2014
7
yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement.
Feb 03rd 2014
14
RE: yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement.
Feb 04th 2014
23
      RE: yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement.
Feb 04th 2014
28
      Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree
Feb 04th 2014
30
           RE: Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree
Feb 04th 2014
32
                RE: Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree
Feb 04th 2014
41
      again, excellent points.
Feb 04th 2014
40
           RE: again, excellent points.
Feb 04th 2014
46
As an Eagles fan, this really touched me. Thank you for this
Feb 04th 2014
37
you're welcome and thank you as well, my man
Feb 04th 2014
47
it all goes back to Jerome. Dudes forget he was headed to the HOF
Feb 04th 2014
48
      *sigh* I think Reggie stays in that case too
Feb 04th 2014
50
Damn, you scanned the #s and are still dead wrong...
Feb 03rd 2014
12
      yeah, you and bomb make good points.
Feb 03rd 2014
15
           the Eagles waxed that Mora Saints D in the Superdome in the '92 playoffs
Feb 04th 2014
24
ravens were filthy
Feb 03rd 2014
6
they were, that was a crazy-ass season with the Banks/Dilfer shift
Feb 03rd 2014
8
I'm a little biased here
Feb 03rd 2014
9
What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!
Feb 04th 2014
33
      RE: What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!
Feb 04th 2014
35
           RE: What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!
Feb 04th 2014
49
Y'all NFC East bias strikes again...there should only be 3 choices in th...
Feb 03rd 2014
10
GTFO with southern yokels tryin to tell us about NFL football in 1990
Feb 03rd 2014
11
Don't get it twisted...those two defenses were good
Feb 04th 2014
27
RE: Y'all NFC East bias strikes again...there should only be 3 choices i...
Feb 04th 2014
31
for a SINGLE season? i gotta say us (Hawks).
Feb 03rd 2014
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RE: for a SINGLE season? i gotta say us (Hawks).
Feb 03rd 2014
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      i think you have me confused.
Feb 04th 2014
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           RE: i think you have me confused.
Feb 04th 2014
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                so you're claiming a W because i said anyone can get beat...
Feb 04th 2014
36
                     RE: so you're claiming a W because i said anyone can get beat...
Feb 04th 2014
39
                          lol. you think i care way more than i actually do.
Feb 04th 2014
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                               RE: lol. you think i care way more than i actually do.
Feb 04th 2014
43
                                    what did i lie about?
Feb 04th 2014
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                                         RE: what did i lie about?
Feb 04th 2014
45
                                              I'ma give you your props & take my L. You saw it a mile high away.
Feb 04th 2014
51
                                                   RE: I'ma give you your props & take my L. You saw it a mile high away.
Feb 04th 2014
52
A little biased towards the 2000 Ravens.....
Feb 03rd 2014
17
Rex Grossman went to to the SB
Feb 03rd 2014
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RE: Rex Grossman went to to the SB
Feb 03rd 2014
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      It's the day after the SB, let's pump the brakes a bit
Feb 03rd 2014
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           Bucs had Brad Johnson
Feb 04th 2014
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           RE: It's the day after the SB, let's pump the brakes a bit
Feb 04th 2014
25
2008 Steelers
Feb 03rd 2014
20
its a tossup between the 91 eagles and 2000 Ravens to me
Feb 04th 2014
34
hmm...no mention of eli's giants means his 2 rings legit.
Feb 05th 2014
54
(Insert SB team that Eli won with)
Feb 05th 2014
55
nope too late.
Feb 05th 2014
56
Ray Lewis playing behind Saragusa and Adams that year was
Feb 05th 2014
57

Bombastic
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1. "'91 Eagles, then '00 Ravens, then '14 Hawks, then '02 Bucs"
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38. "pretty much my thoughts though that bucs d was pretty nasty"
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53. "true, all these defenses were tho, I give them the nod over '90 Giants"
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2. "I say Ravens but '13 Hawks had best SB performance"
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That was special last night.

  

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3. "86 Giants were pretty bad ass too, and actually statistically the 86..."
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Bears defense was better than 85

  

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4. "RE: Best post-1985 NFL defense"
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Neighbors is already trying to put these dudes over the 2000 Ravens?


Come on...



Denver had a lot of regular season points but did they have a single impressive offensive performance in the postseason?


Seattle's D is great, for sure...but no way.

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5. "lol wat."
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueZ6tvqhk8U

why are the '91 eagles in this discussion?

the other 4 teams all won the super bowl, and led the league in defensive SRS in their respective regular seasons, in some cases by massive margins :

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1990/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2002/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/

the eagles weren't even the best defense in '91.

just scanning the SRS numbers,

the '86 bears, '92 saints, '95 / '97 chiefs, '99 bills, '01 / '05 bears, '06 ravens, '08 / '10 steelers

all would've been better options.

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7. "the fuck are you talking about they weren't the best defense in '91?!?!"
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You must have never watched that defense play & are trying to play catch-up looking at points-allowed with zero context to even think to say that.

They were only defense to be rated #1 against the run, pass & overall in NFL history up to that point.

They won TEN games with SIX different quarterbacks (half a broke-down Jim MacMahon with the rest including multiple games started by Jeff Kemp & Brad Goebel with actual crucial game snaps taken by Pat Ryan & David Archer) while only having Randall Cunningham for the first quarter of the first game before getting his knee Bryce Paup-ed to miss the entire seasdon, James Joseph as their primary rusher and an absolutely porous offensive line.

That offense also turned the ball over 43 times that season for an average of almost three times a game (worse than every team except the 3-Win Tampa Bay Styles-Incomplete-Like-Vinnie-Testaverdeans)and were bottom five in pretty much any category you name.

That was prime All-Pro Hall Of Fame Reggie White, prime All-Pro Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown's last & best All-Pro year, then Mike Pitts/Mike Golic rotating on run/pass at the other tackle.

At linebacker it was All-Pro Seth Joyner, with future Pro Bowlers William Thomas & Byron Evans.

Safety former All-Pro Wes Hopkins & the late great Andre 'Dirty' Waters.

Corner borderline Hall of Famer & first-team All-Pro Eric Allen playing his only full season with a corner on the other side who wasn't 'Toast' in Ben Smith (his only promising season before he blew out his knee again & ended his career).

That was Bud Carson taking Buddy Ryan's 46 with the horses he drafted and perfecting it by not leaving the corners completely naked every snap.

I watched every game that team played & (with maybe one or two exceptions) every game the 2000 Ravens played, I don't know who else here can honestly say that so I'm gonna go ahead and trust my own eyes/memory along with the statistical data and the context each came in.

That Eagle Defense was better than the 2000 Ravens front-to-back by a bit & I've yet to see a D better than the Ravens since then.

If you wanna ask why they couldn't win a Super Bowl with Brad Goebel at the helm, then Google that sorry motherfucka & get back to me.

  

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14. "yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement."
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i did mean to say that they weren't _statistically_ the best that year, i.e. they didn't lead the league in fewest points allowed by a huge margin like the other 4 teams mostly did.

they were obviously a great defense, particularly the front 4. they're not in the class with those other 4. they didn't dominate their season the way those teams did, even taking the offensive woes into account.

the 2000 ravens allowed 26 fewer points than the #2 team. the 1990 giants, 28 fewer. the 02 bucs? 45.

4 teams allowed fewer points than the eagles in '91. one of which, new orleans, was ranked 2nd against both the run and the pass.

that can't just be dismissed entirely, dude. not when comparing the best of the best, which necessarily involves splitting the teeniest of hairs.

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23. "RE: yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement."
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>i did mean to say that they weren't _statistically_ the best
>that year, i.e. they didn't lead the league in fewest points
>allowed by a huge margin like the other 4 teams mostly did.
>
>they were obviously a great defense, particularly the front 4.
>they're not in the class with those other 4. they didn't
>dominate their season the way those teams did, even taking the
>offensive woes into account.
>
>the 2000 ravens allowed 26 fewer points than the #2 team. the
>1990 giants, 28 fewer. the 02 bucs? 45.
>
They also had the best return man in the game at the time in Jermaine Lewis, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Shannon Sharpe & Jonathan Ogden to go along with a DLTG QB for the stretch when they really were heating up (they got scorched a couple times early when Banks was tossing out funballs).

>4 teams allowed fewer points than the eagles in '91. one of
>which, new orleans, was ranked 2nd against both the run and
>the pass.
>
>that can't just be dismissed entirely, dude. not when
>comparing the best of the best, which necessarily involves
>splitting the teeniest of hairs.

Dude, it really can.

Points allowed include in pro-football reference includes POINTS GIVEN UP BY THE OFFENSE.

The Eagles offense gave up FIVE INTS RETURNED FOR TDS, that's 35 points right there.

If I went back to check safeties, kickoff/punt TDs (I know there was at least one of these that I remember by Kelvin Martin in the last Cowboy game was basically a season back-breaker, so now we're at 42 points off their 'points allowed' total) and the amount of times this team couldn't get across the other team's 50 while at times turning it over to start the Eagle D in their own red-zone......it would become far more dramatic.

Did the Saints give up 7+ TDs off Bobby Hebert funballs or Ironhead fumbles?

Doubt it.

If we really did the numbers, there's probably a way to show that this Eagle defense actually was more of a point producer than its offense for much of if not the whole season.

So if you wanna go back and wade through all that, you can see that the adjusted 'points allowed' would not be remotely close to any other team given the opportunities, before we even start talking about how demoralizing it is to be on the field all day.

Or you can just trust me as someone who actually saw both these teams play, every Sunday, while living in the city they were in when I tell you that as great as the Ravens were they were not better than the Eagles at any level of the D outside of that Ray/Woodson area.

They were not better at the corners, the other safety, the other backers, either defensive end (and this was far more of a blowout than Ray Ray versus Seth) and then you have arguments with their two tackles Goose/Adams versus Jerome Brown with the Pitts/Golic rotation.

  

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28. "RE: yeah that was an unfortunate misstatement."
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>
>Or you can just trust me as someone who actually saw both
>these teams play, every Sunday, while living in the city they
>were in when I tell you that as great as the Ravens were they
>were not better than the Eagles at any level of the D outside
>of that Ray/Woodson area.
>
>They were not better at the corners, the other safety, the
>other backers, either defensive end (and this was far more of
>a blowout than Ray Ray versus Seth) and then you have
>arguments with their two tackles Goose/Adams versus Jerome
>Brown with the Pitts/Golic rotation.
>

I agree wtih your point that 91 Eagles belong in convo but this part is an exaggeration.


Kim Herring and Andre Waters is a wash at strong safety.

Michael McCrary before injury I would take over prime Clyde Simmons. And at worst it's a wash. Clyde Simmons was known for taking plays off, McCrary never took a play off and was a monster, just imagine if he had been playing opposite Reggie White.

Ray and Seth didn't play the same position. The 2000 Ravens have the better linebacking corps anyway. Seth Joyner is one of the greatest linebackers of ALL TIME, in my opinion but RAvens had the best MLB of the modern era, flanked by PEter fucking Boulware and Jamie Sharper.

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30. "Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree"
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on that issue as we previously agreed to disagree about you saying Bruce Smith was better than Reggie White.

Peter Boulware was sorta invisible for large chunks of the 2000 season, it was actually a topic of conversation about town.

I liked him in college but didn't think much of him this particular year as an impact player because he was the kind of dude if he wasn't racking up sacks wasn't doing a whole lot to make his presence felt.

And I don't mean that Ray/Seth really played the same position, just that they were the leaders and heads of their teams line backing corps.

I also happen to think Byron Evans was one of the most underrated Eagles ever who sadly got hurt right when it was gonna be his time to take over this defense years later but Willie T was just a baby then plus I realize that by saying that bit I sorta disrespected Jamie Sharper who I thought was a hell of a player (far better than Boulware) and yes overall I would have to concede the linebacking unit to the Ravens.

Not the secondary though, I give Eagles the edge there and on the line.

  

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32. "RE: Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree"
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>on that issue as we previously agreed to disagree about you
>saying Bruce Smith was better than Reggie White.
>

I said equal. And yeah we can agree to disagree but it's not like either one of them could claim to be head and shoulders above the other (McCrary and Simmons). Once removed from Reggie White's spehere, Simmons never put up the same kind of numbers. McCrary was playing opposite Burnett, who was good but yeah, not Reggie White lol.

>Peter Boulware was sorta invisible for large chunks of the
>2000 season, it was actually a topic of conversation about
>town.
>
>I liked him in college but didn't think much of him this
>particular year as an impact player because he was the kind of
>dude if he wasn't racking up sacks wasn't doing a whole lot to
>make his presence felt.
>

I disagree, he was somewhat one-dimensional but still a great hitter and a big part of stopping the run. Pass coverage was not his thing, per se.

>And I don't mean that Ray/Seth really played the same
>position, just that they were the leaders and heads of their
>teams line backing corps.
>

Word

>I also happen to think Byron Evans was one of the most
>underrated Eagles ever who sadly got hurt right when it was
>gonna be his time to take over this defense years later but
>Willie T was just a baby then plus I realize that by saying
>that bit I sorta disrespected Jamie Sharper who I thought was
>a hell of a player (far better than Boulware) and yes overall
>I would have to concede the linebacking unit to the Ravens.
>

Yup. Also, Seth Joyner should be in HOF (he isn't is he?)

>Not the secondary though, I give Eagles the edge there and on
>the line.

I give linebackers to Ravens, secondary is a wash, D-line to Eagles but it's all really close.

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41. "RE: Michael McCrary is not Clyde Simmons equal, we can agree to disagree"
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>>on that issue as we previously agreed to disagree about you
>>saying Bruce Smith was better than Reggie White.
>>
>
>I said equal. And yeah we can agree to disagree but it's not
>like either one of them could claim to be head and shoulders
>above the other (McCrary and Simmons). Once removed from
>Reggie White's spehere, Simmons never put up the same kind of
>numbers. McCrary was playing opposite Burnett, who was good
>but yeah, not Reggie White lol.
>
>>Peter Boulware was sorta invisible for large chunks of the
>>2000 season, it was actually a topic of conversation about
>>town.
>>
>>I liked him in college but didn't think much of him this
>>particular year as an impact player because he was the kind
>of
>>dude if he wasn't racking up sacks wasn't doing a whole lot
>to
>>make his presence felt.
>>
>
>I disagree, he was somewhat one-dimensional but still a great
>hitter and a big part of stopping the run. Pass coverage was
>not his thing, per se.
>
This season though he really wasn't 'around the action' in the same way he was other years.

I think he might have actually been the defense's highest-paid player at the time, which I feel like I heard pointed out a few times on 1470 while people wondered what his issue was.

>>And I don't mean that Ray/Seth really played the same
>>position, just that they were the leaders and heads of their
>>teams line backing corps.
>>
>
>Word
>
>>I also happen to think Byron Evans was one of the most
>>underrated Eagles ever who sadly got hurt right when it was
>>gonna be his time to take over this defense years later but
>>Willie T was just a baby then plus I realize that by saying
>>that bit I sorta disrespected Jamie Sharper who I thought
>was
>>a hell of a player (far better than Boulware) and yes
>overall
>>I would have to concede the linebacking unit to the Ravens.
>>
>
>Yup. Also, Seth Joyner should be in HOF (he isn't is he?)
>
Nope....sadly I don't think he'll get there, if that D hadn't broken up or if the Arizona squad had made the playoffs a time or two I think he'd get in.

Instead he'll just continue to be one of the best of that era who never quite made it.

He's still a lot of fun to listen to speak on just about anything.

>>Not the secondary though, I give Eagles the edge there and
>on
>>the line.
>
>I give linebackers to Ravens, secondary is a wash, D-line to
>Eagles but it's all really close.

True, I don't mean to say it's a blowout by any means, that Ravens D was fantastic.

They also managed to build off that for the subsequent decade.

  

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40. "again, excellent points."
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i'm hesitant to rank a defense too highly in the all-time-great discussion when it didn't lead the league in fewest points allowed by a sizable margin -- a trait that literally every other defense in the discussion shares.

and i also wonder just how big of a forced-to-play-with-a-shitty-offense curve do we grade a defense on, before we get to a point where we're actually penalizing other, more statistically dominant defenses for not having to play with shitty offenses, if that makes sense.

but yeah, your arguments are certainly compelling, as usual.

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46. "RE: again, excellent points."
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>i'm hesitant to rank a defense too highly in the
>all-time-great discussion when it didn't lead the league in
>fewest points allowed by a sizable margin -- a trait that
>literally every other defense in the discussion shares.
>
I just lopped 50 points off top they directly weren't responsible for though.

Without a kickoff return, five INT TDs, another safety and-if there was a fumble TD or another safety/kick-return I'm missing-whatever else then we're looking at a points-against that's in the 100s for the season before we even get into the additional points yielded by getting the ball while already in FG range.

I seriously doubt any elite defense we can name contended with any of that to even close to those degrees.

>and i also wonder just how big of a
>forced-to-play-with-a-shitty-offense curve do we grade a
>defense on, before we get to a point where we're actually
>penalizing other, more statistically dominant defenses for not
>having to play with shitty offenses, if that makes sense.
>
I get what you're trying to go with it intellectually/hypothetically but nah, can't really see how having to play a lot more snaps and getting the ball in disadvantageous positions really ever swings back around to 'helping' a defense's metrics.

Or maybe if it was just a ball-hawking one who put up turnover numbers or a pass defense rated high but never had to play much because they were always losing, etc.......but this defense was actually playing meaningful downs and close games while being in playoff contention and managing to win ten games mostly due almost solely to their performance.

With Jeff Freaking Kemp at the helm, the Eagles were actually beating the early Aikman/Emmitt/Irvin Cowboys while holding them to single-digits in the fourth quarter of the second-to-last game of the season.

That game was for second place in the NFC (Skins ran away with that division that season, started I wanna say 12-0) along with a sure Wild Card birth for the Eagles (since Washington was gonna be resting starters in the final week) to put them at 11 wins while knocking out the hated Cowboys.

Then Kelvin Martin took a punt return (just looked it up) 85 yards for the go-ahead TD.

Gut-wrenching.

Made more so by a lesser version of the Eagles getting by the Saints in round one of the playoffs the following year then getting mollywhooped by a Cowboy team (keep in mind, we had pretty much owned them for the whole late 80's first bit of the 90s) whose time had now come the next year.

That Martin return was the last crack the full Buddy-era nucleus (even though Kotite was the coach by then, oh yeah....how could I forget his contributions to the team's 'offensive execution') built mostly on the strength of Randall & the defense had a shot to best the Cowboys until The Triplets got old in the mid-90s.

>but yeah, your arguments are certainly compelling, as usual.

  

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37. "As an Eagles fan, this really touched me. Thank you for this"
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47. "you're welcome and thank you as well, my man"
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48. "it all goes back to Jerome. Dudes forget he was headed to the HOF"
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50. "*sigh* I think Reggie stays in that case too"
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That 'Football Life' episode on the two of them made things a bit misty at the homestead.

  

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12. "Damn, you scanned the #s and are still dead wrong..."
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I don't know if you're trolling or not, but not a single objective person who has a moderate level of football knowledge would argue some of those teams you listed were better than the '91 Eagles D. Do yourself a favor and check those #s again. How many of those teams you listed ranked #1 in run/pass defense? How many held their opponents to less than 4.0 yards a play? The only reason the Eagles D didn't lead the league in points allowed is because their offense was so awful and routinely put the defense in horrible situations. They went through like 4-5 QBs that season. So the defense actually won the Eagles plenty of games that year. That's how good they were.

I'm not choosing the best, but I do believe the '91 Eagles had the most balanced defense of the group. The only defenses I'd consider worthy of contention who were omitted from the original list were the '86 Giants and the 2000 Titans. The '92 NO defense was beastly, but didn't generate as many takeaways as the Eagles D did, plus they got lit up by the Eagles in the playoffs.

  

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15. "yeah, you and bomb make good points."
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i'd still rank that eagles defense on a tier slightly below the other teams* in the poll.

personally at the time, i thought the mora saints w/ that beast-ass backer corps was just as good.

*well, not the seahawks, i'm not anointing them yet.

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24. "the Eagles waxed that Mora Saints D in the Superdome in the '92 playoffs"
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Put up 36 while blowing out those boys in their own place while Heath Sherman went for over 100 against them & Eric Allen capped it off with a pick-six.

And that was New Orleans' best year of that defense, meanwhile the Eagles '91 defense had tragically lost Jerome Brown to an auto accident that summer, lost Ben Smith to a career-ending knee injury, plus was near the end for Wes Hopkins (missed half the season & basically was ready to retire afterwards but hung on for one more inconsequential year).

The lesson: despite not having quite the strength on the defensive side of the ball they did the year before, it helps to have Randall Cunningham!

No way in hell was that Saints D on par with that group, even though they had some bad-ass linebackers.

  

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6. "ravens were filthy"
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8. "they were, that was a crazy-ass season with the Banks/Dilfer shift"
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and the TD-less streak.

  

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9. "I'm a little biased here"
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But seeing how it's become an offense orientated league, how records are being broken each year. It's not the same game as it was in 85 or when Baltimore won it for that matter. I'm taking my Hawks

  

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33. "What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!"
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>But seeing how it's become an offense orientated league, how
>records are being broken each year. It's not the same game as
>it was in 85 or when Baltimore won it for that matter. I'm
>taking my Hawks

Hell yeah it's us!

We gotta meet up for the parade patna

  

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35. "RE: What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!"
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Want to go soooo bad!! Gonna be stuck in Bellevue tho
We need to catch up soon tho bruh

  

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49. "RE: What up Buks! We shut down the best offense in NFL history son!"
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>Want to go soooo bad!! Gonna be stuck in Bellevue tho
>We need to catch up soon tho bruh

For sure fam

  

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10. "Y'all NFC East bias strikes again...there should only be 3 choices in th..."
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And that's the Bucs, Ravens, and Seahawks...

The other two aren't in the discussion...

It's a tossup between the Ravens and Seahawks for first...i gotta ponder that for a minute

  

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11. "GTFO with southern yokels tryin to tell us about NFL football in 1990"
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We don't believe you, you need more teal/black/blue Kerry Coliins/Marc Brunell type people.

  

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27. "Don't get it twisted...those two defenses were good"
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but they weren't on the level of the other three...



  

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31. "RE: Y'all NFC East bias strikes again...there should only be 3 choices i..."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Philadelphia_Eagles_season#A_Defense_That_Rewrote_the_Record_Books

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13. "for a SINGLE season? i gotta say us (Hawks)."
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16. "RE: for a SINGLE season? i gotta say us (Hawks)."
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A) No


B) Didn't you call me "silly" and an "idiot" for saying the Seahawks would stomp anyone coming out of the AFC. It was just a few weeks ago. Now the Hawks are the best defense since the '85 Bears???



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26. "i think you have me confused."
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29. "RE: i think you have me confused."
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No. It was you.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2288464&mesg_id=2288464&page=


Feel free to take your L, both on football analysis and general decorum

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36. "so you're claiming a W because i said anyone can get beat..."
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on any given day?

mmmkay.

here's your pat on the back. * pat *

lol.

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39. "RE: so you're claiming a W because i said anyone can get beat..."
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Wow, you really are a jerk and a liar. No wonder you have Pete Carroll as an avy.

You said the post was "silly" and called me an "idiot" for making it. Straight up. All because I said the AFC team would get stomped. I never said they shouldn't play the game or that any team couldn't win on any given day.

I said what would happen, gave the exact reasons why and was 100% right.

You made all sorts of ad hominem attacks on my intelligence without provocation and now here you are trying to deflect instead of just saying you were wrong.

Then you went on to compound your churlish behavior with the following

"i mean, you called Manning and the Broncos "food." food...really?!?!?

face it, your post is dumb."


And somehow you are still standing behind this and trying to posit that all you said was "anyone can win on any given day"???


I don't know what is wrong with people like you. Must be hard being so insecure.

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42. "lol. you think i care way more than i actually do."
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have a good day.

smh.

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43. "RE: lol. you think i care way more than i actually do."
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I honestly don't care what you think but it's is clear to anyone that you are a liar, and a boor to boot.

Anytime someone would rather lie and denigrate others than admit an honest mistake, something is very wrong with them.


The funny thing is you had the temerity to say that if I was wrong I needed to be ready for said post to be "upped" and take my "L"

My response was "as it should be"


Now look at you...shit's disgusting b

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44. "what did i lie about?"
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i said "i think you have me mistaken" because i didn't remember your post or my reply in it.

you showed me that it was me, which is fine.

is that a lie?

i still think that at the time, your post was silly. the funny thing is that if you read the actual superbowl post i pretty much agreed w/ your football analysis (it's way down at the bottow when i posted about my prophecy or something). you were proved to be right, so the gods smiled on you (and the whole city of Seattle!!!!!!!), but you were selling the broncos a little short in the original post. also, as a Seattle fan i was trying to be pragmatic and hedge.

jeez. why are you so sensitive?

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45. "RE: what did i lie about?"
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I am not sensitive. I simply expected (after being called stupid and dumb for simply saying Broncos would get stomped) that you would admit that you were wrong.

No lengthy mea culpa or anything, just a simple acknowledgement. Much like the post you just wrote instead of the ones before it.


That's all.


Have a nice day. I don't really get into calling people out their names on here and would prefer not to, so I am glad that is settled.

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51. "I'ma give you your props & take my L. You saw it a mile high away."
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I'm still stunned at the overall performance

  

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52. "RE: I'ma give you your props & take my L. You saw it a mile high away."
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'preciate that


Yeah, I was rooting against the Seahawks but when watching the NFC playoff games and then flipping over to Denver lacksadasically going through the paces against San Diego...I knew they were not even remotely ready for what was coming.


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17. "A little biased towards the 2000 Ravens....."
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Only because I remember them knocking the crap outta Kerry Collins and getting turnovers. Actually they knocked the crap outta everybody in that game.

Seattle's D though is probably the fastest I have ever seen. I haven't seen players go to the ballcarrier so quickly like they did.

  

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18. "Rex Grossman went to to the SB"
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I'd say the Ravens

but I did notice alot of commentators note even mentioning the Derrick Brooks Bucs team

and that Bears D, with Urlacher and Briggs was a monster

"they are who we thought they were", HAHA!

those PIT SB teams were monsters too

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19. "RE: Rex Grossman went to to the SB"
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This Seahawks D is on the level of that 06 Bears D, they are aggressive, disciplined and play their scheme to the utmost. Great defense that unlike (and this is important) some of these other squads, had a great QB/RB combo on the other side of the ball.

That said, this isn't the 2000 Ravens where you could take most of these guys, put them on a different team and watch them still make the Pro Bowl.

This defense has maybe 2 or 3 guys who are really special like that

Earl Thomas will probably be the best safety of this generation

Richard Sherman is this team's Charles Tillman, more or less. Could end up being even better.

They have a nice rotation of guys on the dline (Avril, Bennett, Mebane, Clemons, Red Bryant) but so did that Bears team (Ogunleye, Tommie Harris, Brown, Mark Anderson, Tank Johnson)



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21. "It's the day after the SB, let's pump the brakes a bit"
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the point of my post, was...well...Rex F'n Grossman SON!

there have been more than a few, All-Time GREAT defenses since the 85' Bears, IMO

SEA will have to beast for another year or two

before I put them in the same category as the BAL, PIT and CHI teams of the last decade +

and that Bucs team won a SB with Trent F'n Dilfer

c'mon

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22. "Bucs had Brad Johnson"
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>and that Bucs team won a SB with Trent F'n Dilfer

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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25. "RE: It's the day after the SB, let's pump the brakes a bit"
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I'm a dedicated Bears fan but 06 Bears don't really belong in same category as '00 Ravens.

That is my point.


The Ravens had about 6-7 guys on that defense who would have been stars anywhere.

Ray Lewis
Peter Boulware
M McCrary (if not for injury this guy would be All-Decade worthy, maybe HOF)
Sam Adams
Rod Woodson
C. McCalister
K Herring

And then several more really, really good players in Siragusa, Rob Burnett, Duane Starks and Jamie Sharper.


Not many teams were that ill on D. '06 Bears and this years Hawks are on a tier below that, which is nothing to be ashamed of.

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20. "2008 Steelers"
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Come the fuck on man. How are they not on the list.

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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34. "its a tossup between the 91 eagles and 2000 Ravens to me "
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2nd is 05 Bears

  

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54. "hmm...no mention of eli's giants means his 2 rings legit."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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55. "(Insert SB team that Eli won with)"
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56. "nope too late."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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57. "Ray Lewis playing behind Saragusa and Adams that year was"
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just unfair....

  

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