When I think about the mental state of athletes during competition I can't help but consider Tennis Players as being very mentally tough. Think about it, they can't be coached or given pointers during the match. They don't get any team support or motivation and they can't depend on anyone but themselves to help them get over any challenges. And the length of their matches can easily go over 4 hrs. Marathon runners are in the same boat when it comes to long periods of loneliness but they don't have a human opponent. They really race against the clock.

And yes Golfers are Athletes, at least mentally.


Agree or disagree? Whom do you say is more mentally tough?

Poll result (23 votes) Tennis Players (6 votes) Vote Boxers (8 votes) Vote Race Car Drivers (1 votes) Vote Golfers (1 votes) Vote Marathon Runners (6 votes) Vote Other (1 votes) Vote

your opponent is roughly your size & WILL hit you repeatedly in the face and body in order to make you quit or to render you unconcious

unless you do it to him or her 1st

it takes a certain mindset to be able to dish out punishment as well as the fatalism to accept that punishment


does it even matter?

both have to deal with incredible amounts of pain.

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I think the question is basically bringing up mental in terms of getting in your own head and keeping yourself focused for the entire length of time.

pretty hard to stay mentally focused when someone is literally trying to knock you unconscious. boxing is tough enough, but throw in the many facets of MMA (punches, elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns, submissions) and it just gets even more mentally tough. it's the only sport where you have to play offense and defense simultaneously.

Corners that help them keep focus. I think people age getting the "bravado and difficulty" confused with mental toughness.

Sure Boxers are out there along in the ring but they are being coached from the corner, being corrected, being motivated, updated strategy and being given information real-time about the opponent that they may not be seeing.

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you go out there alone w/ a person who could literally beat you to death. if you are not mentally strong you wont even make it to golden gloves


does it even matter?

But think about this. Mental toughness is not defendant on Fight or Flight or even hate (strong dislike) like n boxing.

And Like I said Boxers stay getting coached up and supported the whole fight. During breaks in tennis action, they have to site there alone - no help/ support whatsoever. Even during injuries the medical person is not from their camp and they provide no support.


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while golf, tennis and distance running have quite a bit of mental difficulty involved you have to factor in the risk reward aspect. the risk of messing up in golf, tennis and running is simply not winning and accomplishing your goal. the risk of making a mistake in martial arts is getting punched in the face ... repeatedly. that pain will affect your decision making immediately.

>while golf, tennis and distance running have quite a bit of
>mental difficulty involved you have to factor in the risk
>reward aspect. the risk of messing up in golf, tennis and
>running is simply not winning and accomplishing your goal.
>the risk of making a mistake in martial arts is getting
>punched in the face ... repeatedly. that pain will affect
>your decision making immediately.


Those in martial arts are focused and mentally tough. But those matches only last for s short period of time.
I've seen boxers quit and martial artist tap out due to pain. None of that has to do with mental toughness - often times the physical limits of the body cause them to quit.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

And not the difficulty of the sport or Its bravado.

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Go play a set of tennis and then go spar with someone for 1 minute and tell me which requires more "mental toughness"

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I bet you think that that throwing a punch is more mentally tougher than shooting a winning free throw at the end of a game in front of twenty thousand People. Don't hurt your brain trying to respond.


"mental toughness"


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no one said anything about physicality except you.

lol @ 20,000 people like thats not the same circumstance in boxing with people rooting for you to get knocked out on your ass. c'mon.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Man listen, before you catch a brain cramp. I shouldn't even have to explain something this simple to you but evidently I do. The Poll is comprised of sports that are known to be understood in the SPORTS WORLD as requiring serious mental toughness. So, while you are tying to squeeze out all that you can between those poorly developed synapses over this simple poll you should stop before you faint.




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with a silly analogy.

I said: Go play a set of tennis and then go spar with someone for 1 minute and tell me which requires more "mental toughness"

You made a silly assumption and then dug yourself a bigger hole.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>with a silly analogy.
>
>I said: Go play a set of tennis and then go spar with someone
>for 1 minute and tell me which requires more "mental
>toughness"
>
>You made a silly assumption and then dug yourself a bigger
>hole.


Silly, you came in with the tennis vs 1 min of boxing in comparison as they related to toughness. But your hedging your argument using physicality.

And again, you are still missing the point of mental over physical. But I don't have the time to sit here an break it down to the last compound for you.



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Basketball is way more physical than baseball but I wouldn't begin to know which requires more mental toughness.

However any sport where the object is to inflict bodily harm on another will always require more mental toughness.

Do you think most boxers would be able to step on the court and play tennis with someone of similar skill?

Now do you think most tennis players would step in the ring and box with someone of similar skill?

oh.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>Basketball is way more physical than baseball but I wouldn't
>begin to know which requires more mental toughness.
>

I think for both, it deepens on the situation of the game.



>However any sport where the object is to inflict bodily harm
>on another will always require more mental toughness.
>

But the key here id Fight or Flight. Survival in a fight requires mental toughness but duration plays a factor and support does too.


>Do you think most boxers would be able to step on the court
>and play tennis with someone of similar skill?
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>Now do you think most tennis players would step in the ring
>and box with someone of similar skill?
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That would not prove mental toughness only skill level.


You are clearly basing mental toughness with the physical outcome of the event/ encounter.

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>Do you think most boxers would be able to step on the court
>and play tennis with someone of similar skill?
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>Now do you think most tennis players would step in the ring
>and box with someone of similar skill?
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>That would not prove mental toughness only skill level.

I specifically said with someone of similar skill.

Jeez you are dumb. This why you be losing all those religious debates in GD?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>>Do you think most boxers would be able to step on the court
>>and play tennis with someone of similar skill?
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>>Now do you think most tennis players would step in the ring
>>and box with someone of similar skill?
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>>That would not prove mental toughness only skill level.
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>I specifically said with someone of similar skill.
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>Jeez you are dumb. This why you be losing all those religious
>debates in GD?

man go eat a meat samich and play with some rock.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

You must take me for some weak minded soccer player. Ain't nobody flopping over here.

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the high level of focus required for such a sustained amount of time has to be incredible. doing nearly 200 mph or more in tight spaces with other cars going as fast or faster for sometimes 500 miles or more? that's nuts!

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your grammar been corrected time after time


just admit you write like a third grader

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so to an extent I guess that's "mental toughness" but it's more about just staying focused... I understand being a professional who runs in 2 hours is different, but still, those people in a lot of ways are just natural with having amazing stamina and it's just what they do

a sport like boxing you have to keep your mind focused because if not you get ur fucking head bashed in, that's a whole nother level


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I mean it's an accomplishmen to do half, but if you can knock out 13, u may as well "train" the extra month and go for the whole thing

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Were you just finishing or were you trying to put up a decent time. Definitely not trying to insult your accomplishment but those are two very different tasks mentally.

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And while I get the attraction to options in individual sports--whether you're playing another individual, the field, the course/elements or some combo thereof--but I don't know that it's that big of a determining factor.

Probably the mentally toughest athletes as a whole are the players in team sports that have fairly individualized jobs. The closer in baseball, the goaltender in hockey, etc. You've got to have that same sort of personal drive and you've got to maintain it with a lot going on and a lot that could go wrong around you.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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They aren't out there alone. There are usually teammates on the hs, college or club level, fans, coaches cheering. While you can't get an update on strategy from your coach, it isn't like you're out there totally alone like a marathon runner.

As someone who has played competitive tennis, boxed, and run competitively (half marathons and 10k's), I would say that Boxing is by far the most mentally challenging and tennis the least. In boxing you're literally suppressing your natural fight or flight instincts and trying to respond intelligently to someone punching you in the face. That, and the fact that it's so physically demanding (try just throwing punches at a heavy bag for 4 rounds) require every bit of your concentration to complete even the most minor tasks.

> I would say that Boxing is by far the most mentally challenging and tennis the least. In boxing you're literally suppressing your natural fight or flight instincts and trying to respond intelligently to someone punching you in the face. That, and the fact that it's so physically demanding (try just throwing punches at a heavy bag for 4 rounds) require every bit of your concentration to complete even the most minor tasks.

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with another human being in intimate proximity takes greater mental toughness
that is boxing
competitive sports period takes mentsl fortitude
but the close and intimate proximity of your opponent
the actual variables of fighting
its takes more mental fortitude to get through a round of boxing than any of those other sports

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the reaction times are sooooo short and the consequences are huge. at any moment you could go from a relatively comfortable rhythm to getting your head taken off.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

in the matter of seconds.besides combat sports.

The mental strength it takes to stay focused in boxing when you've dominated and not been challenged the whole fight. One lapse can end all that.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Tennis is absolutely a mentally tough sport (as is
golf if truth be told) but they don't face the type
of physical duress that boxers/fighters face. No sport requires
an athlete to compete and steer the storm, being calm
amidst the chaos, quite like boxing.

To be able to remain poised and focused when the prospect of permanent injury/brain damage is staring at you in the face every
second of a fight requires a whole different kind of level
of mental fortitude than any other sport.

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And negating the fact the the Boxer is NEVER along in the process of a match. It's not lonely in the middle of that ring.


>Tennis is absolutely a mentally tough sport (as is
>golf if truth be told) but they don't face the type
>of physical duress that boxers/fighters face. No sport
>requires
>an athlete to compete and steer the storm, being calm
>amidst the chaos, quite like boxing.
>
>To be able to remain poised and focused when the prospect of
>permanent injury/brain damage is staring at you in the face
>every
>second of a fight requires a whole different kind of level
>of mental fortitude than any other sport.
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I agree. But people can be skilled and still not be mentally tough. that's why the corner stays yelling at a cat that's been trained to ignore pain.





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>And negating the fact the the Boxer is NEVER along in the
>process of a match. It's not lonely in the middle of that
>ring.

for real fam?

But people can be skilled and still not be mentally
>tough. that's why the corner stays yelling at a cat that's
>been trained to ignore pain.

The ones that aren't mentally tough don't succeed

what? no matter what ally is 'helping' from the corner, nobody's feeling those body blows but the fighters. that shit is hella lonely.

>what? no matter what ally is 'helping' from the corner,
>nobody's feeling those body blows but the fighters. that shit
>is hella lonely.


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possibly one of dumbest things i've heard on here lol.

"It's not lonely in that ring." -Case_One on boxing

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And the proof is that fact that you Simple Simon behind is here acting like you know anything about me.

And as for boxing, I love the sport enough take part.





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There are always people watching, cheering, etc. And again, I think you're equating the lack of coaching with mental toughness. Again, as someone who has done both, it's not even close. Running long distances competitively is incredibly difficult, so is playing competitive tennis, but boxing (and I would include mma) is incredibly challenging on a completely different level.

Your instinct when you get punched in the head is to curl into a ball and protect yourself. Your instinct when a part of your body is exhausted is to rest that part. Now picture not only ignoring these fundamental instincts but being present enough to anticipate and react to someone moving to hurt you, and to plan and attempt to execute your own strategy, all while being completely exhausted.

>There are always people watching, cheering, etc. And again, I
>think you're equating the lack of coaching with mental
>toughness. Again, as someone who has done both, it's not even
>close. Running long distances competitively is incredibly
>difficult, so is playing competitive tennis, but boxing (and I
>would include mma) is incredibly challenging on a completely
>different level.
>
>Your instinct when you get punched in the head is to curl into
>a ball and protect yourself. Your instinct when a part of your
>body is exhausted is to rest that part. Now picture not only
>ignoring these fundamental instincts but being present enough
>to anticipate and react to someone moving to hurt you, and to
>plan and attempt to execute your own strategy, all while being
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Mental toughness is not something that can be easily defined like scoring, rebounding etc. You in here telling other people what mental toughness should and shouldn't mean and attempting to discredit what others are saying based on your opinion.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

This whole debate came for a Sports conversation that athletes actual had from other respective arenas and not one of them called it stupid. Nor did they belittle each other.

So, dude go play Word of Watercraft or with yourself and just move the heck on.


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to take you seriously c'mon.

have you ever been in a boxing ring by any chance?

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>to take you seriously c'mon.
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>have you ever been in a boxing ring by any chance?

Yes, when I was in the Army and I felt empowered not lonely.


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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

But really not since High School and only because I had to be there.



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Think it's not tough then you better think twice

Then there's:

the footwork

trying to hit a moving target

when to switch from offense to defense

all this & plenty more while your opponent is beating your brains in

There's nobody out there to push you or motivate you to keep going out on those streets. And a lot of times there are no other runners in sight.
So it's up to the runner himself to get in his own head and keep on going.

And I can't imagine the ones who mis-time their pacing and pretty much die out with like 2 miles left to go. They still got to finish the race

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As someone who used to run a lot you actually zone out and just run. You aint zoning out getting punched in the face.

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Every shot has to be near perfect one mistake can be the difference between winning and losing. There is so much thought that goes into every single shot and putt you have to be mentally strong to be elite.

or even 3 hours straight. he gave props to the slowpokes who "run" marathons in 6+ hours cause he couldnt do it.
when i ran my half it took me 3 hours.

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someone trying to beat their face in(unless you're Moncia Seles) so I would go with boxing/MMA. I would also say stuff like gymnastics and diving has to be ridiculously stressful because of how finely you have to hone your actions, you don't even get a second to relax or wild out.

> I would also say stuff
>like gymnastics and diving has to be ridiculously stressful
>because of how finely you have to hone your actions, you don't
>even get a second to relax or wild out.
I don't care for the sport, but you have to mention figure skating in that category of stressful pin point type activities as well.

Being a world class anything takes a large combination of factors that make it difficult to analyze across different endeavors.

Now, I'm not going to weasel out of the question, so I'll go ahead and say that a great defensive minded boxer like Floyd Mayweather is an athletic genius with few peers in any field...I mean after taking shots to the head he can still execute a game plan, exhaustion is one thing, blunt force trauma is another.

That being said...there are niggas out there who are just good at taking a punch, homer simpson syndrome for short. Every boxer isn't a chess master, and let me be more specific, every elite boxer isn't a chess master.

But that's true of all athletics. It's a mix of body and brains, and for some people they can compensate for a lack one with a tremendous amount of the other.

So while I tend to agree with the people who say that boxing/combat sports require more 'mental toughness'...I still think it's a shitty metric.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

>So while I tend to agree with the people who say that boxing/combat sports require more 'mental toughness'...I still think it's a shitty metric.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Yeah boxers take shots to the head...but 9-15 days in the frozen fucking tundra???

No boxer is doing that.

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than all other athletes because they can get "punched in the face." Yeah, Ok. So the deciding factor is avoiding physical harm which is based on Fight or Flight, SOME People are acting like that's not a factor. Rhiiight.

Well what about IRL and F1 divers, I wager that they are in my physical danger than a boxer. Have you ever driven over 150 Mph with other cars just feet and inches from you.

Yeah, Yeah, I know. They aren't getting punched in the face either.





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most people's threshold is about 8-10 miles, or just over an hour or so

and your body tells you, okay, good job, let's stop now...

and you still have 15 miles or so to go

it's all mental, pushing through the urge to stop, the mental excercises that keep you focused (like a cadence, etc...)

and your opponent is the clock

is there a less forgiving opponent than time

time doesn't have a bad day, time doesn't underperform, etc...

TIME IS UNDEFEATED

as far as boxing, let me put it like this

you can't mentally push your way out of KO

either you get knocked out, or you don't

no mental toughness is going to keep you awake if you get hit hard enough (and yes, I've sparred some, and it is very difficult physically)

but for just mental toughness, I vote marathon

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>most people's threshold is about 8-10 miles, or just over an
>hour or so
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>and your body tells you, okay, good job, let's stop now...
>
>and you still have 15 miles or so to go
>
>it's all mental, pushing through the urge to stop, the mental
>excercises that keep you focused (like a cadence, etc...)
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>and your opponent is the clock
>
>is there a less forgiving opponent than time
>
>time doesn't have a bad day, time doesn't underperform,
>etc...
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>TIME IS UNDEFEATED
>
>as far as boxing, let me put it like this
>
>you can't mentally push your way out of KO
>
>either you get knocked out, or you don't
>
>no mental toughness is going to keep you awake if you get hit
>hard enough (and yes, I've sparred some, and it is very
>difficult physically)
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>but for just mental toughness, I vote marathon


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It's about conducting a chess game while suppressing the fear and flight reflexes that are inherent in the situation. Long distance running is incredibly challenging. I never ran a marathon but in college, I would go on 12-17 mile runs at a 7 min pace.

The thing about running is you can zone out at time, you can physically assess where your body is and adjust your speed accordingly. In combat sports, you don't have that option. The fact that someone who is trained to hurt you is attempting to do so requires concentration beyond just pushing yourself. Oh, and think not quitting while running is tough, try getting up for the last round completely exhausted and taking steps towards someone who has been beating your ass for the better part of an afternoon. No mas.

So they're not alone in that car right?

>Well what about IRL and F1 divers, I wager that they are in my
>physical danger than a boxer. Have you ever driven over 150
>Mph with other cars just feet and inches from you.
>
>Yeah, Yeah, I know. They aren't getting punched in the face
>either.

They're also sitting on their ass the entire stretch too

>They're also sitting on their ass the entire stretch too

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Man. I tell ya boy!

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I never boxed and I never ran a marathon, but as an athlete ... in my head at least, mental toughness to make weight >>> mental toughness to carbo load (and other associated marathon prep). No disrespect to marathon runners obviously, but this is how I imagined it in my head.

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