let's just get it out the way.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Twitter: _TheloniousFunk
Instagram: thelonious_funk_

Paul George looks incredible out the gate, but AB has been terrible.

I give you mad props for Klay Thompson, but Austin Rivers is terrible.

I don't know all your agendas though, just a quick observation.

i shouldn,t bother because this thread about one thing and one thing only, but at the risk of derailment...


harden a star...no one talks as if he isn't anymore, so that's dead.

telfair out the league and not better than jameer...my L.

blake a star and power-games his way to points on the NBa level, like i predicted...goalposts got moved, which i rolled with, and now he gotta win a title....TBD

love a star...dead issue.

jennings still better than rubio, but prolly won't be what i expected, which was the 2nd best PG after kyrie by the start of the 2014 season....split

klay...on his way to stardom. i am sole owner. there isn't even an impending IPO here.

rivers...huge letdown...but, he has raw skills that still give me hope....big L on this one.

PG/Melo...yeah.

Kyrie best PG by 2014...undeterred. unworried.

greg monroe and favors...best bigs from 2010 draft. if monroe is the second player from this class to make the AS game this year...this is a massive W for me.

trevor ariza is better at wining basketball than rudy gay...i'm winning, no matter what anyone says. rudy is terrible.

russy better than rose and is the leader of OKC...he just is.

chandler parsons >>>>>> gordon hayward...damn, i was winning this easy a few months ago. damn, my collar jive tight now. however, i'm still the sole owner of parons. no IPO on the horizon.

Hendo >>>> Deronzan and Terrance Williams....split.

Mike Conley Jr is just as good as Lawson, Wall, Jrue and all other Fat Lever disciples....winning.

Luol >>> Josh Smith...been winning this for years. By no criteria am I losing, but you know how mad bammas try to flip things.


i'm sure there's more, but whatever.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

I've always said you man up and take your L's, which I respect.

Like I said, I'm giving you mad props on Klay Thompson. I'm sure no one saw that coming. You are definitely sole owner of that. I know I thought he was gonna suck.

Chandler Parsons was another good one for you.

I told you, I'm with you on Kyrie. I don't understand where all the hate comes from.

I had no idea you had that many agendas out there. I normally stay out of them, but I'm thinking of taking some sides instead of riding the fence/keeping it to myself. I read more than post around here though.

because as a guy not that big on Rudy Gay's game, I knew to focus on Trevor Ariza's lack thereof.

>
>trevor ariza is better at wining basketball than rudy
>gay...i'm winning, no matter what anyone says. rudy is
>terrible.
>
Say what you will about Gay, Ariza is worse.

You said Ariza could go put up Rudy Gay numbers on wack teams, Ariza signed to Houston (worse than Memphis at the time) immediately after that to be the go-to-guy making 5/34 million, he promptly scored 14 with a shooting percentage in the 30s.

He was so bad they had to trade for Kevin Martin at the end of a non-playoff year just to have someone other than Ariza shoot, then dump his deal off for Courtney Lee in the offseason.

He then went to the Hornets, starting guard on a bottom feeder playoff team, shot in the 30's again and averaged 10.

They traded him the next year to the Wizards.

He's now become Trevor Ariza's Expiring Contract this season, not getting all that much time on a team that ain't won a game all year or made the playoffs in half a decade.

He also might not be in the league after this season ends.

Oh....and the Lakers won another title after Ariza left, with a washed-up Artest who isn't better than Gay either.

They would have won with Rudy on either of those teams, probably even a little bit easier.

Ariza worse.

the issue was who you'd rather have as your starting SF if you tryna win an NBA title.

so, if you pressed i'll gladly cop to trev not being as skilled a scorer as rudy gay. that's a separate issue. the whole agenda not an L because of this, especially when bammas was callin rudy a STAR when this popped off.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>the issue was who you'd rather have as your starting SF if
>you tryna win an NBA title.
>
if they're making the same money (back when the discussion was happening Gay was still on his rookie deal so Ariza was actually making slightly more), Rudy Gay is clearly a better player to have in any starting lineup than Trevor Ariza.

Rudy ain't gonna be gunnin' it up without reprisal on a Kobe Bryant team with two All-Star big men.

He can knock down those open shots Ariza got & run the floor but additionally get a shot a play breaks down.

Neither is really a difference-maker defensively.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

he makes Matt Barnes look like Battier.

Rudy would have to work a bit more on team D but would do so with a reduced role as a Laker, Feel Jackson as his coach & Kobe giving him the stinkeye.

there's actual visuals of trevor being smart at a championship level. you can't just say fear of kobe and phil's coaching was responsible for everything he did.

no such evidence for rudy.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>there's actual visuals of trevor being smart at a
>championship level. you can't just say fear of kobe and phil's
>coaching was responsible for everything he did.
>
At 'Championship Level' Trevor Ariza shot 35% for 11 PPG & 6 RBS in the NBA Finals while getting scored on by Rashard Lew & Turkeyglue fairly easily.

The small attributes he has are solely athletic rather than based on his aptitude for the game or some title-tested intangible.

Dude was easily the least-important member of the starters as well as Odom on the bench.

Of Lakers that played at all that year the only ones he was more important than were Luke Walton, Jordan Farmar & Sasha Vujacic.

Two of those guys are out of the league, the other one was out last year & like probably Ariza none will be in the NBA after this season.

Artest was terrible by the time he got to L.A. & still had more smart championship level moments than Ariza did with the same squad a year earlier.

>no such evidence for rudy.

Because Rudy actually was a high-draft pick who went to a bad team and played well enough to stick around & even get an (ill-advised but still indicative of someone thinking he had value) max-deal, Ariza was just toss-in trade-piece on his third team in three years who lucked up and landed in a good place that could give him a role since they were spending most of their cap money on their stars.

There was no team Rudy was on capable of winning a title & I'll just have to disagree that swapping him out for Trevor Ariza would have made the 2009 Lakers tank in the postseason.

My opinion, even as a guy who isn't a big fan of Rudy, is that he makes it even easier for that team to win.

Trevor Ariza is pretty much as replaceable & irrelevant as it gets, which is why he's on his sixth team in eight years and will be in Europe soon.

>telfair out the league and not better than jameer...my L.

nice

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

pick melo over bron during that finals melt down
my goodness some dumb shit was in there

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

in the one game I saw PG play, he looked pretty bad. Forcing shots, and playing like he's not. I just peeped his averages this season, and they liik great, but he didn't pass the eye test in that Pelicans game.

I fear he's going to become a hero-baller, and frankly, he's not really built for that shit.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

....

http://tinyurl.com/krcgb4a

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

because if we going off the first week, during which NJJ got his team ONE win...well, i guess he better than rose, too, huh?

see, y'all can come at me with this garbage because no one is gonna be help accountable for saying NJJ is better than kyrie irving. as much as dudes wanna give fake-love to kyrie on this board, i KNOW 99.9% of them hated on him before that draft and NEED for him to fall off.

he younger and better. it bothers y'all.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

...

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

that's about it.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/GHIS92513.jpg

Hey Ahmad, do you get an All-Star game bonus every time you mention it in an attempt to get people make it relevant in basketball discussions or is it just a personal quest of yours?

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

one who been in the L 4 years and is 23, carries 17, 8, 4 averages. NO PERSONAL ACCOLADES

one who been in the L 3 years and is 21, carries 21,6 and 4 averages. ALL-STAR, ROY, 3 POINT SHOOTOUT CHAMP


dogg, your feelings belong under a space shuttle launch and inside a volcano right now.

edit: forgot that 3 point shootout patch on kyrie's jacket.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

How'd you lose to the Bucks though?

Also Kyrie inching closing to a double double. He just has to work out those kinks.

You think Jack gets one before him?

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

and i won't get into the habit of a game-by-game thing this year. we know what has to happen, so if you was there eatin hot dogs and popcicle sticks refreshing the cavs-bucks score and were happy because it coincided with NJJ's much-needed first win of the year...cool. cavs gonna make the playoffs and the wiz won't...for the 4th straight year in Wall's career.

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Of course you don't want to get into a game by game NOW.....lol....you're nigga is a dud and their season is gonna be a dud.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

i don't wanna go game-by-game simply because it don't matter. i'm on bottomline/no excuses with kyrie this year.

5 games and he a dud...because NJJ been padding against weaker teams and got hemmed up against miami and got better numbers THIS MOMENT?

you not used to him having better numbers and you cysed. this gonna pass soon and then you'll be in full excuse mode, tryna cyse AD...or cuz when he have a nice non-crazy night.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

And don't get it twisted. Just because I'm talking about John in this post.

I'm talking about EVERYBODY that's bubbling....A.D., Cuz, Bledsoe, MKG, Kanter, Knight, P-Patt, T-Jones....on and on and on.

I talk about ALL of them. We have a roster.

You're just focusing on Wall because you have nothing to say about those guys. Your best shot is Kyrie. And please miss me with "Wait til Jabari comes". Nope.....he's not even James Young let alone Randle.

And I already told you don't let Bledsoe be better too.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

no one you named has done a thing. wall won a game and now you invading threads with your chest out. long season.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

You had a sideways comment about Wall knowing that I'd appear.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

playoffs is all that matters. you weren't interested in stats for two years, so i don't care to discuss one week. i bought into this playoffs-for-the-win criteria on this agenda and i'm sticking to it. you skippin around too much. i bring up kyrie individual accomplishments and your ass immediately lands on your back and your lips poke out and you whine about WINNING, as if ANY of THESE dudes have won in the NBA...so, i'mma keep it right there.

playoffs is all that matters here. wall bout to got 0-4. then, ain't no amount of BS you gonna be able to throw out there. i done put aside better numbers and more awards IN LESS YEARS to meet you on an all-or-nothing playoffs or die brawl for it scenario. you should be flat out kissing me feet for agreeing to this.

so, forgive me if i ain't interested in game-to-game chest-beating.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

I'm still talking playoffs and wins. And I'm still talking about Kyrie only being good at shooting.

And you'll still lose on both.

The Cavs got 2 wins and you giddy?

Kyrie is averaging 7 apg. It'll come down to 5 again, but that's cool for now.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

you are.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Now you taking a high ground? Please dude.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

because i was partying because that early schedule gonna put them in a hole? because i kept saying 0-8 or 1-7 start?

well, CRY...you got your 1. here comes the 7.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

I was ready to party on Melo. But NO....

You couldn't let that diversion tactic go.

You losing focus.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

if you have this much confidence, let it play out and reap the rewards later

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

And it's not too soon.

I'm letting this dude pay every little step.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

let it sink in

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

he hasn't been able to say shit about wall for kyrie's first two years, so he's been reduced to that. it's pathetic.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Player B playing and the team loses matters.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

Irving played better last night than I have ever seen Wall play in my life.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

The Wiz were so far out of it that nobody cared by the time John John got in there in mid-January whatever.

The team still finished 29-53.

That's better than the 4-28 they were in the beginning of the year without him but shit, what isn't?

It still means they went .500 on the back-end of a lost half a season with Wall in the lineup.

I think the closest they got to .500 overall, after not winning until their 13th game, was 29-47.

They then lost their last six games to end the season.

The Wizards jumped the gun maxing this guy out before they had to do so because they're more concerned with public-perception than they should be.

They've been so sorry for so long that they felt they needed to sign him to make a statement more than wondering 'wait, what has this guy done to warrant 90 million dollars?' because we know the answer for that is 'not much of anything'.

They then start double-down on win-now moves on a team that prolly still won't make the playoffs or if they do will just be first-round fodder.

I say that as someone who said Wall would be better than Rose by this year.

However much time he's missed so far I've seen enough & it's looking like it ain't enough.

He really hasn't developed any kind of identity as a player or leader thus far and most guys that panned out as the perennial All-Star PG I thought he'd be had done so by now.

I know injuries have played a role in that but I'm not sure how much.

Woulda made much more sense to let this season play out or at least not start discussing it until after the AS break because to be locked into a contract paying John Wall nearly 18 million in the 2019 season is an enormous risk to put it mildly.

they HAD to. it's literally all they have to support any kind of argument on dude's behalf.

6 weeks. and all of a sudden he's not the 16 and 8, 40% shooter that we KNOW he is. he's something more now. we shall see.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

servicing the sentiments of those fans' needs.

But then again, guess that's indicative of a bad organization which they've been for quite some time.

His identity as a facilitator and catalyst on both ends is already there.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

back-end of a foregone conclusion lottery NBA season?

It doesn't matter all that much, not enough to outweigh the context & sample size enough for a max deal when he's still under control for two off-seasons.

He got that off what he was (#1 overall pick) and *supposed* to be sometime down the road, along with Washington needing to sell that for PR purposes.

That was the argument.

Hopping on a 23 year old good players bandwagon and assuming he'll become better than the 30 year old at some point? Come on.

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

It wasn't who was "going to be" better.

It's a week into the season. I've watched less than a half of Paul George....he knocked down a few jump shots, and made some FTs. Still didn't look good at finishing in traffic, and threw up some hopeless shots.

Based on a week, I'm still going Melo despite his slow start. We know what he can do.

At some point George will pass him due to the age difference. So what?

if you wanna split hairs and be 100% on point.

he outplayed him. that's why the pacers won. he made plays and melo sharted on himself in three 4th quarters.

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

And the Pacers won because they were the better team.

George shot like shit and turned the ball over a lot, he wasn't that great in that series.

There is this word.. it starts with D.

Held David West well below his normal averages.

A slow start into the season isn't gonna change that
Keep overreacting though

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

When I'm wrong, I'll take the L...I'm not afraid to get roasted

Melo is top 5 and PG has shown signs he maybe kinda deserves consideration for top 10. Sometimes. Just a little bit.

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

>Melo is top 5 and PG has shown signs he maybe kinda deserves
>consideration for top 10. Sometimes. Just a little bit.

What else? Top 5 Philly wish list?

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Lord knows we could provide Melo a cast with more talent upside & roster flexibility than the Knicks but who couldn't really.

However I doubt Hinkie wants him, since I'm sure his offensive inefficiency & lack of everything else will disagree with his franchise-building-data.

I'm not even sure I would want him to be honest even though I've been wanting for the Sixers to get a new 'franchise' guy for more than half a decade now.

Bwhahahahahaahhhahahahhaah



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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

i am praying he goes to the lakers so he can keep them average to bad a while longer.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Lebron
Harden
Durant
Howard
CP3
Love
Curry
George
Parker
Westbrook

>Lebron
Yes
>Harden
No
>Durant
Arguably, I'll give the points
>Howard
OK
>CP3
Yes
>Love
No
>Curry
No
>George
No
>Parker
No
>Westbrook
No
>
That's 6 out of 10 wrong...a 40 holmes
In short, you failed

>>Lebron
>Yes
>>Harden
>No
>>Durant
>Arguably, I'll give the points
>>Howard
>OK
>>CP3
>Yes
>>Love
>No
>>Curry
>No
>>George
>No
>>Parker
>No
>>Westbrook
>No
>>
>That's 6 out of 10 wrong...a 40 holmes
>In short, you failed

>>Durant
>Arguably, I'll give the points


Seriously dude, get psychiatric help.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

CP3 has talent around him now and still can't get anywhere in the playoffs.

Harden was in the finals as a 3rd banana and shit the bed, left to be the man and crapped out in the first round.


Cmon Lach - I see you.

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

and a certain GOAT bailed him out.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.