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Subject: "Will Dikembe Mutumbo and Ben Wallace both be Hall of Famers?" Previous topic | Next topic
theeraser
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"Poll question: Will Dikembe Mutumbo and Ben Wallace both be Hall of Famers?"


          

Just curious. Any 4-time MVP would be 1st-ballot HOFer pretty much by definition. Mutumbo and Ben Wallace are tied for the most DPOY awards with 4 each...

If the answer to this question is anything but "Both will be", what does this say about how much we as fans, or media members as shapers of the narrative around players, value defense vs. offense, even though the game is played on both ends?

Poll result (20 votes)
Both will make it (3 votes)Vote
Neither will make it (0 votes)Vote
Dikembe will make it, Ben won't (16 votes)Vote
Ben will make it, Dikembe won't (1 votes)Vote

  

  
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green.
Oct 30th 2013
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If either makes it, it's Dikembe.
Oct 30th 2013
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why wouldnt deke make it? dominant defensive centers get in
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Ben Wallace turned the Pistons into champions from Grant Hills old team
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Wallace might not get in because of his role in the fight
Oct 30th 2013
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Why do people think Deke gets in over Ben? just curious
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More dominant over a longer period of time
Oct 30th 2013
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Deke was swatting shots from 16 to well into his 60's
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Green, obviously. Wallace is close but got too late of a start
Oct 30th 2013
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So Iverson played alongside a HOF center when he made Finals
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      at age "34"
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11

BrooklynWHAT
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85076 posts 		Wed Oct-30-13 03:14 PM

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1. "green."
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Frank Longo
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2. "If either makes it, it's Dikembe."
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I'd like to think he makes it, but that may be my heart over my head.

Ben won't make it.

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ConcreteCharlie
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71387 posts 		Wed Oct-30-13 04:35 PM

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8. "why wouldnt deke make it? dominant defensive centers get in"
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he had a very long career and was an all star caliber player for much of it.

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Ceej
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3. "Ben Wallace turned the Pistons into champions from Grant Hills old team"
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HE should get in.

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stankpalmer
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4. "Wallace might not get in because of his role in the fight"
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5. "Why do people think Deke gets in over Ben? just curious"
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6. "More dominant over a longer period of time"
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it feels like Ben's fall off was more dramatic.

  
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9. "Deke was swatting shots from 16 to well into his 60's "
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HOF-er, no doubt

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ConcreteCharlie
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7. "Green, obviously. Wallace is close but got too late of a start"
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Too many years in obscurity for Big Ben. He was, in my opinion, a stronger MVP candidate than voting indicated with Detroit, particularly those first couple of successful seasons under Carlisle. We have not seen a rebounder like him since and defensively he had incredible range. Not only did he control the paint as an undersized center and eat glass, he could also apply pressure. How many times did he catch someone slipping in the backcourt, figuring he would just fire back?

He was a very special player that I think is under-admired, but he didn't have enough seasons to be a HOF'er.

Deke is in, no doubt, magnificent career and one of my favorite personalities ever in any sport.

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10. "So Iverson played alongside a HOF center when he made Finals"
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 Wed Oct-30-13 05:54 PM by 40thStreetBlack

          

that certainly changes the "Iverson carried the Sixers to the Finals by himself" narrative, doesn't it?

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John Forte
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11. "at age "34""
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which we all know was more like 44.

  
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