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ThaTruth
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""Fuck you, pay me!" (c)MVPau..."


          

I remember it being a big deal when Kobe said basically the same thing...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/pau-gasol-pay-cut-2014-stay-lakers-probably-143605455--nba.html

Will Pau Gasol take a pay cut in 2014 to stay with the Lakers? ‘Probably not,’ says Pau
By Kelly Dwyer | Ball Don't Lie – 2 hours 15 minutes ago

Pau Gasol stretches before an exhibition game against Denver (Getty Images)
Los Angeles Lakers big man Pau Gasol is in the final year of a three-year, $60 million contract extension he signed in 2009. Pau is due to make $19.3 this season, and while the injured Gasol certainly wasn’t worth that price tag last year, proper utilization of his significant talents and a healthy set of wheels could vault Gasol right back to All-Star status if everything falls into place.
Beyond that? Nobody knows. The Lakers are hoping to be prime free agent movers this summer, what with Steve Nash already in place and both Gasol and Kobe Bryant’s contracts expiring. If Bryant signs for a reduced amount, something he’s already sworn off, and Gasol decides to take a large pay cut, the Lakers could still have enough scratch to bring in a boffo free agent for one last shot at a ring for the aging veterans.
Or, Gasol could leave outright, looking to approximate the pay scale that he’s used to. Staring down what could be his final season in Los Angeles (single tear), Gasol spoke with Mark Medina at the Los Angeles Daily News:
“If I perform well, am reliable and put up a great season, then I’m sure the Lakers will have interest in extending me maybe before the season is over,” Gasol said. “We’ll see if there’s interest or not. Then we’ll go from there.”

In the interest of the Lakers maximizing their financial flexibility, would Gasol accept taking a significant paycut?
“Probably not,” he said. “You have to explore your options, but I would like to continue to play for the Lakers and maybe finish my career here. But you have to see the cards on the table.”
Gasol isn’t really angling here, but it doesn’t take a negotiatin’ maven to point out that you don’t give your potential employers the option of expecting a pay cut some nine months before free agency hits.
Secondly, we have yet to see just how Gasol will react to once again working as the focus of the Laker offense, with or without a healthy Bryant. Coach Mike D’Antoni’s schemes took Gasol out of his comfort zone last season, wasting the talents of a unique player that still has quite a lot to offer in terms of production, alongside proper spacing and movement. The Lakers coach obviously understands as much, and according to Medina has attempted to make it up to Gasol in sort by referring to him constantly as “the best center in the league,” which is kind of odd to hear in the face of Gasol’s bench demotion last season.
Injuries somewhat excused that, but the fact remains that Gasol’s half-court abilities seem out of place in D’Antoni’s fast-paced offense, even if D’Antoni did field a similarly-strong passing big man in Boris Diaw for a while during his time in Phoenix. With Bryant’s return uncertain and Steve Nash still hobbling from an ankle sprain suffered in September, Gasol should get a healthy dose of touches to start the season. Will these looks be face-up jumpers from the outside, or will he get to work at the apex of a modified triangle, as was the case under former coach Phil Jackson?
All this remains to be seen, tough news for a team set to pay the luxury tax again despite having no playoff assurances – the team barely snuck in last season, and that was on a team featuring Howard and a healthy Bryant for 95 percent of the campaign.
This was always going to be a strange season, as the Lakers waited out the final year of Bryant and Gasol’s contract, as the July of 2014 conundrum has been puzzling Laker fans for months. If the Lakers and Gasol can’t come to an acceptable agreement, trust that at even age 34 there will be plenty of suitors with plenty of cap space for a 7-footer with an ungodly amount of skills.

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1) he makes 11 million less than kobe
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http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/84711.gif
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^^^^^PLEAS COPPED
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Actually that's called a valid answer.
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      lol
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      haha
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      Everything he said was irrelevant, it's pre-negotiation posturing which....
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           Pretty much.
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           i'm not suprise that a kobe fan would have no sense of proportion.
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           Kobe knows he's not getting $30 mil from the Lakers or anywhere else...
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           Kobe's not getting anywhere near 30. It's posturing
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           but it really only makes sense to take a pay cut
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           Right...if it were up to LA he would already be gone...
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                They could've traded him if they wanted to but there was no incentive
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                     they DID trade him. Stern didn't approve it.
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                          lol
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                          I'm talking about since then, genius.
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                               but they have a history of trying to trade him is the point
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                                    Who is saying he's obligated to help them?
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           ^^^^^PLEAS COPPED
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In other words, "he's not Kobe" is your reason.
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      well, the post was about him being like kobe, so yes. exactly.
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           that's not what the post was about
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                ain't nobody here to talk about pau.
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                     So, again, that wasn't what the post was about
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                          hah. you don't even know what you're arguing about any more.
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                               Says the guy whose last two posts were deflections
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No one cares because they don't really expect Pau back
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Why should he...Pau brought them 2 rings
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and was the best player on the floor in Game 7 of the Finals
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      yes!! I was thinking you weren't gonna make it for this one
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Just like Kobe, he's posturing (and no blame to either)
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you mean decrease, right? i dunno how i feel about it either way
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      Yeah I don't like where this is going already.
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      yeh, *decrease*
Oct 13th 2013
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What's funny is, he's taking a huge pay cut next year regardless
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if he's not getting as much next year, why would he take a cut this year...
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Erm..... Huh? I'm not sure you're responding to the right guy.
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i could easily see him getting 2/30M
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      I hope you're right because if gets that it means he had a career year
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      As Truth said, that would mean he had a damn good year.
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rob
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1. "1) he makes 11 million less than kobe"
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2) 11 million!
3) he was always a hired gun and half of lakerdom don't want him there anyway
4) it ain't his team and he don't want the *my team* mantle like kobe did/does
5) he's a bit overpaid and still making ELEVEN MILLION LESS.

  

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3. "http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/84711.gif"
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4. "^^^^^PLEAS COPPED"
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5. "Actually that's called a valid answer."
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He totally addressed to the point an idiot could get it, but feel free to miss the point.

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10. "lol "
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truth: nigga took zero shots...he's scared
reply: he has no arms
truth: PLEAS COPPED!!!!!!!!!

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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13. "haha"
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>truth: nigga took zero shots...he's scared
>reply: he has no arms
>truth: PLEAS COPPED!!!!!!!!!

  

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ThaTruth
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11. "Everything he said was irrelevant, it's pre-negotiation posturing which...."
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all athletes do in all sports but when Kobe did it dumbasses tried to make a big deal out of it.

No shit Kobe makes more than Pau. He's a better player.

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12. "Pretty much. "
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Kobe double-standard on OKP....since when?

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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14. "i'm not suprise that a kobe fan would have no sense of proportion."
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it's not just more money. it's almost 50% more than anyone else in the league makes.

for a guy who presumably wants to win AND retire a laker AND stick around a few seasons and chase the points title.

on a team that suffers mostly from bullshit posturing and lack of financial flexibility.

you brought this up again. don't know why you'd want to revisit it.

  

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16. "Kobe knows he's not getting $30 mil from the Lakers or anywhere else..."
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It's just something for idiot haters like you to get your panties in a bunch about.

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33. "Kobe's not getting anywhere near 30. It's posturing "
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Do you understand negotiation leverage? What player (and I prefer these cats wouldn't say anything at all) is going to decrease their own value? C'mon

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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15. "but it really only makes sense to take a pay cut"
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if you're considered a franchise player and/or will never be traded. i don't have to tell you how often he's in trade talks. the lakers have been barely committed to him for years now. i think he's used to it, but that still doesn't give him any incentive to help them. and are they just avoiding luxury tax? cause it's a little late to use those savings in free agency anyway.

  

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18. "Right...if it were up to LA he would already be gone..."
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That's like a employee being transferred to a different office and the CEO nixing the move and now you are asking dude to take a pay cut so that the office can bring in someone to eventually take your position.


Kiss.My.Ass and fire me if you have to so I can get that severance package and move on.


Fuck a pay cut




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19. "They could've traded him if they wanted to but there was no incentive"
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20. "they DID trade him. Stern didn't approve it."
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21. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "I'm talking about since then, genius."
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23. "but they have a history of trying to trade him is the point"
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while i'm sure he enjoys it there and has no hard feelings towards the front office, he still has no reason to help them when this is probably a lost year anyway.

  

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36. "Who is saying he's obligated to help them? "
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It's like you're responding to shit you you want us to say instead of what we're actually saying.

Odd.

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17. "^^^^^PLEAS COPPED"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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25. "In other words, "he's not Kobe" is your reason. "
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Next time, just say that.

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28. "well, the post was about him being like kobe, so yes. exactly. "
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29. "that's not what the post was about"
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30. "ain't nobody here to talk about pau. "
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35. "So, again, that wasn't what the post was about "
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38. "hah. you don't even know what you're arguing about any more. "
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your kobe sense is just tingling.

  

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41. "Says the guy whose last two posts were deflections "
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Gotcha

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2. "No one cares because they don't really expect Pau back"
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Rob pretty much nailed it. Comparing this to Kobe's statement is laughable. Good for Pau. It would be sick to see him and his brother in the same frontcourt, though it won't happen.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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6. "Why should he...Pau brought them 2 rings"
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Pau has been professional

Even when Kobe's wife ruined his relationship... He played on
Even when the Lakers traded him...he played on
Even when Kobe gunned them out of the playoffs...he played on
Even when Kobe ran off the best center they had since SHAQ...he plays on...



Take a cut for what?


You have a player on your squad that singlehandedly makes more than half of the entire cap...and you aren't making him take a cut.


Fuck you pay me.



They should trade him to a team with a chance to ein out of respect.

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7. "and was the best player on the floor in Game 7 of the Finals"
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9. "yes!! I was thinking you weren't gonna make it for this one"
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8. "Just like Kobe, he's posturing (and no blame to either)"
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You are not gonna intentionally lower your value and negotiation leverage by saying you are going to take a huge salary increase. It very well may happen but it would be completely dumb for any player to say that a year ahead of time.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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24. "you mean decrease, right? i dunno how i feel about it either way"
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to me both guys should take the "we'll talk about next summer next summer route."

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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27. "Yeah I don't like where this is going already. "
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Just give people a generic "I'm a Laker and I'm focused on winning a title this season. Next question." and KIM.

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32. "yeh, *decrease* "
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Agree with the rest of that. No point in entertaining these questions right now

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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26. "What's funny is, he's taking a huge pay cut next year regardless"
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He's delusional if he thinks he's going to get 19 mil ever again, much less a raise.

That's true no matter where he plays next year.

The only teams that will be willing to pay him anywhere near his current salary will be the sort of teams he'd be stupid to go to, because they'd be doing so out of desperation.

14 mil will be just about the top of his range next year, and that might be generous. 12 a year is probably the most realistic price for his service, and that's at two years. Anything more or longer will be foolish.

What's hilarious is people will talk about Kobe being done or whatever despite having one of the better personal years of his post career while Pau is coming off his single worst. The fact is both guys are badly overpaid at this point in their careers, but lets not act like both guys didn't earn that shit.

I think he'll rebound from last year, but I'm guessing his Finals form is done completely. He's not Tim Duncan. His offensive decline will be a big deal because his defense isn't all-world level to make up the difference. All this talk about LA fans hating him and wanting him gone is bullshit too. Plenty of people have wanted Kobe gone, and that's going back to his rookie season. Many of us HERE have said to trade his punk ass at various times, but then y'all pretend those things didn't happen. By and large, we want to WIN TITLES, and Pau has been the best possible chip to improve the team via trade, so.... yeah. Whatever it takes to win is what we want as *Lakers* fans.

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31. "if he's not getting as much next year, why would he take a cut this year..."
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regardless of how much you're worth, what industry you're in, or how much you've made over the course of your career, if this is your last chance to make over 15 mil you take it and you stop asking questions. a few years ago they promised him that much money and then they've wanted to get rid of him ever since. seriously laker fans, what world do you live in?

>Plenty of people have wanted Kobe gone, and that's going back
>to his rookie season. Many of us HERE have said to trade his
>punk ass at various times,

...what?

  

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34. "Erm..... Huh? I'm not sure you're responding to the right guy. "
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Tue Oct-15-13 10:38 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

>regardless of how much you're worth, what industry you're in,
>or how much you've made over the course of your career, if
>this is your last chance to make over 15 mil you take it and
>you stop asking questions.

I don't even know what this is referring to. This is the last year of his contract. Nobody is telling him to restructure his contract this year. They're asking if he'd take a pay cut next year to stay. He's not under contract and he'll get whatever his market value is. I'm saying that value is going to come down significantly from his current price tag.

I dunno what you're looking at, but I didn't imply whether he should or shouldn't ask for or take any particular offer. I said he won't get what he's getting now. I said he's getting a pay cut no matter where he goes. I dunno what you're babbling about.

I said he's going to get a pay cut no matter where he goes.

I'm not sure what you're talking about or responding to, because it's certainly not anything I've said.

>a few years ago they promised him
>that much money and then they've wanted to get rid of him ever
>since. seriously laker fans, what world do you live in?

Seriously, Celtics fan, let go of your Lakers hatred for 5 seconds. What on Earth are you talking about?

Yeah, Pau is the first and only player to ever be signed only to see his team dangle him in trade rumors soon after. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

Guess what? When teams struggle, they try to improve. Teams that don't have cap space tend to do that via trade. Teams tend to dangle the most attractive piece they can to improve their team. It's not exclusive to the Lakers, no matter how much your Celtics conditioning and OKS posturing might make you believe otherwise.

>>Plenty of people have wanted Kobe gone, and that's going
>back
>>to his rookie season. Many of us HERE have said to trade his
>>punk ass at various times,
>
>...what?

Did I stutter?
Seriously, what world do you live in?
People get on LA sports radio and ROAST Kobe and always have
When he has a bad game in a loss, he gets roasted
He's gotten some serious criticism RIGHT HERE ON OKP
I personally know Lakers fans who aren't Kobe fans

Y'all are myopic as hell sometimes

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37. "i could easily see him getting 2/30M"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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39. "I hope you're right because if gets that it means he had a career year"
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40. "As Truth said, that would mean he had a damn good year. "
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IMO 15 is the top of his value after this year

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