Figured the one post would be enough to carry us through this new "Battleground" PPV and into HIAC.

As I type this, HHH and Steph are standing on a red carpet in the ring.

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red hair was an upgrade. but DAMN.

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It's not gonna make me watch Total Divas, but I'll be hoping she's released and goes straight into hardcore.

Sorry, she still does nothing for me

I'm sure Expertise will disagree

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Some of us gon' end up holy
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i've always liked Steph though. Trips is the problem in their dynamic.

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or at least have him do more backroom dealings rather than standing in the ring half the show and shaming/insulting people. steph is not interesting to me at all though.

I'm sure guys like Expertise are too busy checking quarterly Neilson numbers and PPV buy rates when evaluating how good a program is to actually watch the show and evaluate its quality based on what actually happens, but these shows have ranged from very good to stellar since SS.

With Cena out, they've done a lot of incorporate the youth of the roster into the story line and HHH and Steph are the perfect villains to do that with. D Bry is on that Lex Luger vs NWO/Kurt Angle vs The Invasion steeze right now, where he's killing everything in sight. Yeah, he's getting beat down on a regular basis but has been made to look incredibly strong while doing so. The youngsters are getting quality shine and those few weeks of punking out the entire roster while torturing Bryan are paying off nicely as we speak. We've had two straight Raw shows ending with The Shield getting their ass handed to them.

Plenty of dunamics are forming right now that are tremendous bright spots.

-Bryan is getting immaculate shine and proving himself as a foundation-level player. If the HBK rumblings are true and they play the angle of HHH bullying HBK's student the right way, ideally playing up some jealousy angle, where Hunter has the titles and the corporate position but still can't measure up to HBK's immense legacy of being on the short list of true GOAT level performers, his stock will go even higher. As it is, the Yes! chants are as over as anything since Austin.

-Cody getting a push in the midst of it, with a Rhodes Family match vs The Shield as the obvious payoff. The Rhodes boys jumping The Shield tonight was a fresh and exciting appetizer to a superb main course.

-Dolph/Ambrose being built quietly but smoothly in the process, with both looking great. Add to that, Seth Rollins continuing to gub for that HBK/Hennig/Dolph level of spectacular selling.

There's plenty to love about everything going on right now, and despite his overwhelming presence, HHH has done an excellent job of ensuring Bryan not only comes out on top, but remains a sympathetic figure for the fans to rally behind by also teasing The Viper. Remember, Steph told him that unless they see the true-blue sadist in him again, he won't be champ again. A violent, evil Orton is a fantastic heel and the perfect foil for Bryan's decidedly traditional babyface.

There's literally been no downside to the presence of Hunter and Steph since SS because they continue to provide an ebb and flow to the dynamics of Bryan and Orton, giving each man strong moments and allowing them both to retain momentum of going into Battleground.

The Usos are getting burn that I fully expect to continue and R Truth and Kofi are getting some opportunities as well. Not all of these guys will retain their current status three-four months from now, but an awful lot of ground work is being laid going forward for these guys.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

And stop themselves from cutting the occasional babyface promo against the heels, like when Hunter opened up the Night of Champions show by shitting on Paul Heyman, and when Steffy checked A.J. - again - on tonight's show

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It's showing that there's a much more personal issue at play with D Bry, and I think that implication bodes better for D Bry in the long run, which is ultimately better for WWE in the long run.

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“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

The idea seems to be more, "we're throwing our weight around" rather than "let's stack the deck against Daniel Bryan because we don't like him"

It's either one, or the other, they can't have both. Either they have a personal vendetta against Daniel Bryan that doesn't involve the rest of the roster, or they're on a power trip that happens to include suppressing the Daniel Bryan movement. They can't prattle on about how Daniel Bryan's not the face of the company and subsequently lay him out over 7 shows while firing others on a whim, then open a pay per view by making babyface decisions against a heel manager. They're trying to have it both ways: they want to be lying heels who say they're trying to be fair while actually trying to be fair in spots. Shit doesn't work like that. The subtle train left the station a while ago.

And I'm sure they'd argue that they're somehow showing "depth," and probably believe they're giving themselves shades like the characters on Breaking Bad, because those are the kinds of pleas they'd cop...

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now they're kinda sorta punishing the shield? why would the shield continue to be their muscle unless they were getting something out of it?

>The idea seems to be more, "we're throwing our weight around"
>rather than "let's stack the deck against Daniel Bryan because
>we don't like him"

Nah... it's VERY much both of these. It makes no sense to say they can't have a different relationship with different people.

>It's either one, or the other, they can't have both.

They can and they are.

>they have a personal vendetta against Daniel Bryan that
>doesn't involve the rest of the roster, or they're on a power
>trip that happens to include suppressing the Daniel Bryan
>movement. They can't prattle on about how Daniel Bryan's not
>the face of the company and subsequently lay him out over 7
>shows while firing others on a whim, then open a pay per view
>by making babyface decisions against a heel manager.

Why can't they? Because it doesn't hold to the usual status quo?

Nah

I'm not with this Mark Madden perspective on things. They can absolutely hold a personal issue against Bryan, throw their weight around punishing the roster.... and still dislike Paul Heyman while he's a heel. It's not that complicated, and it's a minor nitpick at worst.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

What it is is good wrestling storytelling 101. You know, the stuff that draws money and more eyeballs to the product.

If you're a heel, be a heel to the people who oppose your basic worldview. I like how that's called "the usual status quo" instead of what it actually is, which is good, consistent storytelling.

This "grey area" shit that they're trying to attempt is straight out of the Vince Russo playbook of conveniently-heel-for-this-segment character writing, and while that shit was cool back in '98 (like when Kane chokeslammed Pete Rose for shitting on the city of Boston just before he wrestled the babyface Undertaker), that shit doesn't quite work in 2013, especially for an alleged long-term storyline that theoretically is supposed to help get a guy over who was already pretty over-- oh wait.

If they're really trying to do the not-the-status-quo!, "complicated heel" thing, then the first thing Hunter should have said after he did what he did at Summerslam was that he didn't want to do that to Daniel Bryan, and hint that he was strong-armed into doing it by Vince, and by proxy, Steffy, and run with that. He could have even started a more subtle heel turn by still taking the "B+ wrestler" and "not the face of the company" digs that he actually took. That works FAR better from a (wrestling) storytelling standpoint than having him heel completely the fuck out on Raw for the 7 shows leading up to Night of Champions, only to have him open that show by cutting A COMPLETE BABYFACE promo (where he announced that the title match later that night would be no-D.Q, which is a total babyface call) and led to him punking out fellow heel Paul Heyman.

And by the way, remember when Hunter was in D.X. and as a babyface he would ask the crowd if they were ready? He did the same thing to open the Night of Champions show. Makes no sense to point this out!

And as far as the idea that "but they're putting heat on Daniel Bryan to make him even more over than he was before," the thing is, Daniel Bryan doesn't or didn't need this "oppression by the complicated and not-status-quo heels who are out to get him and only him" story to get over. He was WAY over before it happened. Or was that thunderous response that I saw and heard when I went to Summerslam and he pinned John Cena clean just an aberration, and happened mainly because all of America hates John Cena? Was all that "Yes!" shit I saw and heard before and during the show just the result of WWE paying people to cheer for Daniel Bryan and/or pumping in artificial crowd cheers to help jumpstart the effort to get him over?

Oh, and did you also notice those dead-silent reactions when heel Steffy checked heel A.J. by threatening to strip her of the Divas title and fire her... twice? Who exactly is this catty heel vs. catty heel shit supposed to be aimed at? What purpose does it serve? How exactly does this further the "personal corporate hatred for Daniel Bryan and Daniel Bryan only" storyline along? How does Stephanie McMahon bullying A.J. (yet again) make Stephanie McMahon a more effective heel? Why does it "make no sense" to ask these basic storytelling questions? Status quo!

And back to that opening segment at Night of Champions, when Ultra Megaheel Company COO Triple H cut a babyface match stipulation promo then bullied Paul Heyman. Who exactly was that "hey you guys the Daniel Bryan-Randy Orton match is gonna be no D.Q. you guys!!! Are.. you... ready?!!!!"/"hey, Paul Heyman, you're a Peasel who's gonna get his ass beat, ha ha ha sorry bro" shit aimed at? What purpose did it serve? How exactly did that further the "personal corporate hatred for Daniel Bryan and Daniel Bryan only" storyline along (there actually is an admittedly-clever-and-very-status-quo answer to this question)? Why is it considered "nitpicking" if one points out the character inconsistencies that are coming across on mine and other non-"insider"s TVs, inconsistencies that consistently undermine whatever it is that Ultra Megaheel Company COO Triple H is ultimately supposed to accomplish? Are they supposed to establish that he's not such a bad guy after all? If that's the case, then why go full 100% heel the 8 shows BEFORE Night of Champions, as opposed to starting more subtly the night after Summerslam then BUILDING to a more heelish role as the story goes on? I know, I know, "nitpicking!"

This isn't a "Mark Madden issue." It's an issue that comes from watching almost 30 years of wrestling on TV, and understanding what good "good guys vs. bad guys" storytelling is. The "status quo" shit, I suppose. And what all this "cute and selective heeling" actually does is cause unnecessary confusion with the audience. They don't know/care if they're supposed to cheer or boo Hunter and Steffy from segment to segment, and it's ultimately very sloppy and terribly inconsistent. And all of it's not that nuanced, or subtle, or even groundbreaking.

Again, when Hunter and Stephanie are heels to the babyfaces on the roster, they're fun to watch. When they're being heels to other heels, it's not fun to watch. Especially during segments that have ZERO or very little to do directly with how they treat Daniel Bryan, who really doesn't/didn't need any of this to get any further over.

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LOL@this absurd notion that this is somehow a reason for the overall decline in the popularity of the product (you know, the stuff that puts butts in seats and eyes on TV, right?).

It couldn't possibly be partially due to piracy- you know, the fact that people can just download an episode an hour after it airs or the vast array of entertainment options at everyone's finger tips. It couldn't be partially due to the fact that the massive growth in the mid 90's through the early 2000's were due to a huge wave of casual fans reeled in by an unprecedentedly deep pool of talent spanning two massive promotions and elevated by the competition between those two promotions.

Yeah, that was an aberration that we'll probably never see again. Ratings will NEVER, EVER return to that level, and it's NOT because HHH put three heels against 11 faces.

You ignore the fact that The Shield was made to look incredibly strong, because 11>3, GOSH DARN IT!!! ELEVEN IS MORE THAN THREE.

You're a plagiarizer who doesn't think for himself, so you're too blinded by whatever dirt sheet insider you're parroting to view anything in context. Daniel has looked incredibly strong even when getting beat down (I guess Lex Luger was getting buried by the NWO while fighting them off in a losing battle every week too, huh?). Dolph was made to look strong against them as well, and The Shield, despite losing the battle were played up as the monster heels they are.

But hey, 11-3 no good for bad guy!

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

LOL@this absurd notion that this is somehow a reason for the overall decline in the popularity of the product (you know, the stuff that puts butts in seats and eyes on TV, right?).

It couldn't possibly be partially due to piracy- you know, the fact that people can just download an episode an hour after it airs or the vast array of entertainment options at everyone's finger tips. It couldn't be partially due to the fact that the massive growth in the mid 90's through the early 2000's were due to a huge wave of casual fans reeled in by an unprecedentedly deep pool of talent spanning two massive promotions and elevated by the competition between those two promotions.

Yeah, that was an aberration that we'll probably never see again. Ratings will NEVER, EVER return to that level, and it's NOT because HHH put three heels against 11 faces.

You ignore the fact that The Shield was made to look incredibly strong, because 11>3, GOSH DARN IT!!! ELEVEN IS MORE THAN THREE.

You're a plagiarizer who doesn't think for himself, so you're too blinded by whatever dirt sheet insider you're parroting to view anything in context. Daniel has looked incredibly strong even when getting beat down (I guess Lex Luger was getting buried by the NWO while fighting them off in a losing battle every week too, huh?). Dolph was made to look strong against them as well, and The Shield, despite losing the battle were played up as the monster heels they are.

But hey, 11-3 no good for bad guy!

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

How else to explain your, how did you put it, "regurgitation" of the same tired "think original old timey dirt sheet wreader!!!!!!!" shit you've been saying -- and getting wrong -- for God knows how many years now?

"ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" indeed.

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>
>With Cena out, they've done a lot of incorporate the youth of
>the roster into the story line and HHH and Steph are the
>perfect villains to do that with. D Bry is on that Lex Luger
>vs NWO/Kurt Angle vs The Invasion steeze right now, where he's
>killing everything in sight. Yeah, he's getting beat down on a
>regular basis but has been made to look incredibly strong
>while doing so. The youngsters are getting quality shine and
>those few weeks of punking out the entire roster while
>torturing Bryan are paying off nicely as we speak. We've had
>two straight Raw shows ending with The Shield getting their
>ass handed to them.
>

i'm not here for that SuperCena BS. i'll quit watching again.

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>There's literally been no downside to the presence of Hunter
>and Steph

Uh, wrong.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

Gets it^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

If the HBK rumblings are true and
>they play the angle of HHH bullying HBK's student the right
>way, ideally playing up some jealousy angle, where Hunter has
>the titles and the corporate position but still can't measure
>up to HBK's immense legacy of being on the short list of true
>GOAT level performers, his stock will go even higher. As it
>is, the Yes! chants are as over as anything since Austin.



Here's where fantasy booking gets you into trouble. If you honestly think HHH is going to allow himself to be portrayed as second-tier or anything less than KING OF KINGS CEREBRAL COO, you are gravely mistaken.

I've enjoyed the storyline a lot so far but I think it is far from airtight.

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>Here's where fantasy booking gets you into trouble.

Gets me into trouble? LOL. Fantasy booking is nothing more than presenting ideas you think would make for compelling TV. My idea makes for compelling TV. That's all fantasy booking is. Further, I based my idea on preexisting rumblings of HBK's potential involvement in the near future, with HBK himself alluding to said involvement, and looking at the most logical way of using him in that program.

So, sorry to burst your bubble, but my idea is far from "getting into trouble" because it's an entirely reasonable premise. But then, your next line reveals more about why you would say such a thing.

>If you
>honestly think HHH is going to allow himself to be portrayed
>as second-tier or anything less than KING OF KINGS CEREBRAL
>COO, you are gravely mistaken.

You mean like when he let Punk call him a dufus, Edge implying that he had to marry the bosses daughter to get ahead, and countless other references to him not exactly earning his status, etc? So, the same guy that allows his wife to get trampled in promos left and right and allows people to basically say he married into his career is going to be SO over the top protective of his image that his best friend won't be allowed to say he can't lace his boots? Based on.... what, exactly?

This idea people have that HHH isn't willing to allow himself to get shit on in the name of a good storyline is preposterous. Further, if you don't think Shawn Michaels, Pauls real life closest friend, the man whose coattails and stable he road into greatness, and arguably the GOAT performer in WWE history would be allowed slightly greater leeway than guys like Edge or Punk in throwing darts at his career, you're too stuck on this IWC perception of Hunters ego to look at the actual track record.

Whether or not *my* *personal* ideal scenario plays out is immaterial. You're so stuck on some IWC perception of HHH that you're going to pretend a perfectly plausible, reasonable premise that is actually less a personal attack than the shit lesser talents with lesser status without a close relationship to him have gotten away with.

>I've enjoyed the storyline a lot so far but I think it is far
>from airtight.

Far from airtight? It's not airtight, but far from? Nah, this shit has been played out exceptionally well thus far. Saying it's "far" from airtight is pretty much saying it's mediocre.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

It's a general statement. Because sometimes they get attached to an (admittedly) reasonable idea for where the story could go. When that doesn't happen as you believe it should, that's when you start to think you could write the show better than they could.


Triple H has shrugged a lot of things off in promos. He has rarely in recent years "shown ass" as they say. Brock Lesnar threatened his staff and destroyed his office and HHH acted like it was a mild inconvenience.

Sure, Edge said a bunch of stuff about him marrying into power and every time that gets trotted out he's basically "you mad?"

Yeah, I said it was far from airtight. It could get worse. Booking an 11-on-3 elimination match where the faces are the eleven and only four are left at the end seems pretty stupid.

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>It's a general statement. Because sometimes they get
>attached to an (admittedly) reasonable idea for where the
>story could go. When that doesn't happen as you believe it
>should, that's when you start to think you could write the
>show better than they could.

I know I could do that, but my own pet concepts aren't going anywhere because there's no shot of them hiring a fan off the street, so I personally don't care either way. Right now their playing things at an excellent level and while there are still things I'd do differently, all I care about is a quality product, and the only time I get the self righteous "I could do better than these fucks" is when they get on some bullshit for a long while.

>Yeah, I said it was far from airtight. It could get worse.
>Booking an 11-on-3 elimination match where the faces are the
>eleven and only four are left at the end seems pretty stupid.

Meh, more Mark Madden. I hate most of his ideas personally, but that's just me. A few things he's not paying attention to, because he's too busy ranting about shit that doesn't hold to form:

1. It made The Shield look unbelievably strong, continuing to solidify their prowess as HHH's personal enforcers.

2. Daniel and Dolph were was the main players that turned the tide, keeping them looking strong.

3. The rest are guys who are mostly also-rans. It's not like it was The Shield vs Cena, Punk, Bryan, Kane, Dolph, Ryback, Taker, etc. Kofi just came back from an injury, RVD just came back after along WWE hiatus, Usos are barely on Raw, and Truth and ZACH have both been MIA for awhile.

4. The look on The Shields faces when HHH made the match. Sorry, but they clearly looked bothered by that. Whose to say there isn't something planned for that?

Now, I'm not saying it was a great idea. I'm just saying it turned out to be an excellent match that made key players look strong, showed a solidified locker room, and gave some guys that have been sidelined some main event burn, which could turn out well for a few of them in the long run. So what's the problem?

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

He got his ass whupped on every show after SummerSlam and they've emasculated every face on the show.

If that's a push, it's sure a strange way of getting pushed.

Doesn't help things that SummerSlam was the least watched in 16 years, neither.
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

He bail?

.

This match has been great so far.

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- Miz caught a rack of Ls tonight. Steph was dishing out that ether. Show aint even hesitate to drop that bomb on him either.
- the crowd LOVES Summer Rae
- by the way make sure you download the WWE app.
- The Shield is fucking awesome. 3 v 11 makes them look even more awesome. That was a damn good main event.
- Reigns was about to mow their whole team down if D-Bry aint jump in. First pin by an Uso tho... :/
- http://i.minus.com/ibeiqIzHqwZPuM.gif
- Rollins hit his weekly life-shortening bump quota
- what's the point of a 10 divas tag match?

<--- Big Baller World Order

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they can bring them back in the Tag Title picture off that...

I honestly changed the channel when they didn't put CM Punk in the poll for who Orton faces...I tuned back in to watch the 11 on 3 match...which was a great main event...

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

so I'm always hype for any program with him

Him & Cody and AD though? Hell yeah.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.