http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/vince-young-may-sell-possessions-pay-off-1-121416290.html

now his things are being auctioned off to repay a loan

ok but what is the REAL reason HE CANT get a job/put it all togther/maximize his talent?

I hate the term bust especially concerning him but if their was ever a tale of a talented cat who couldnt get out of his own way its him. plus he cant truly be a bust because he made it. he had success in the league


it was never about work ethic (Jamarcus)

or drugs (u pick)

or run ins with the law (again u pick)

or "diminishing physichal skills (Bernie Kosar)

he still seemingly is talented and young enough to still play

its just that one meltdown

Buffalo said in so many words that his financial woes were a distraction and they thought he couldnt handle it mentally

in other words they insinuated dude had the mind of a child and couldnt handle it

is their more that I am missing here cuz I don't see how his financial situation effects his ablity to play football

maybye they are looking at it from a leadership angle but every QB isnt a leader off the field

what am I missing?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
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forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
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>it was never about work ethic (Jamarcus)

i dont remember Jeff Fisher ever bringing that up early on but maybye he did

im pretty sure tho that wasnt an issue in Philly or Buffalo

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

"Buffalo said in so many words that his financial woes were a distraction and they thought he couldnt handle it mentally

in other words they insinuated dude had the mind of a child and couldnt handle it"

This sounds about right to me

dude keeps gettin shots

I mean, he legit got a shot here in Philly

despite the dream team remarks

looked great against the Pats

and then looked like he had no idea what he was doing in every game after that

it has to be totally mental with VY

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you can't understand it with an explanation

I dont know dude personally but from what I heard mabye he isnt that sharp however how do u explain his early career success

dude had the same mental capacity then as now

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

I would say those were good TEN teams

When he melted down, Kerry Collins at QB was an upgrade

was 13-3 the best record that year?

anyway, there were questions about dude's mental coming out of college

wunderlik

and I don't have any other argument

he still has physical tools

they just don't translate to the field

again, from watching him in PHI

he's like a slower, longer to deliver the ball version of Mike Vick

and that ain't good

I don't get the VY agenda

what QBs do you think he's better than

are MFers riding for Matt Leinart?

he's not good

why isn't that enough of an answer?

you think he should be getting looks off of what he did 5 years ago?

his money problems are his fault

maybe he should start with getting that together

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you can't understand it with an explanation

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ehh....i dont know about that. thats a very black and white analyasis considering their is a laundry list of other player with off the field issues that have talent that ARE still playing

I dont think he was as much of a distraction as a Chad Johnson or TO for instance. I mean I can see why they are out the league. plus they are older

unless VY also has diminishing skills that I never heard about you dont think their are other QBs in the league getting paid more than he would command that he isnt better than?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

for a headcase QB. A QB is supposed to be a team leader and if he doesn't have his shit together it's tough for him to lead anybody anywhere.

Whitlock was right about Vince from jump...http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060309

Then you have shit like this...http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-vince-young-loan-300-000-party-former-215607296--nfl.html

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but even Mike Vick who was bonehead off the field was able to redeem himself in the eyes of the league

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

and he showed some ability to play when he did eventually get back on the field.

Mike Vick is probably a fundamentally flawed proposition at QB as I'm basically painfully made aware of on a regular basis, however he's leaps and bounds above Vince Young in every aspect.

I don't even think Vince Young could handle running a dogfighting ring.

He's a big, dumb, short-and-raggedy-armed, lefty-girl-throwing, Pseudo-QB just like his descendent Tim Tebow.

The only difference is rather than being really into Jesus he's into booze, coke, strippers, media mismanagement & self-delusion.

Once Buffalo & Cincinnatti can't even find any use for you, it's really over: ask T.O. to use your own example.

And T.O.'s a Hall of Famer who stays in great shape who doesn't play the most important position on the field.

>He's a big, dumb, short-and-raggedy-armed,
>lefty-girl-throwing, Pseudo-QB just like his descendent Tim
>Tebow.
>
>The only difference is rather than being really into Jesus
>he's into booze, coke, strippers, media mismanagement &
>self-delusion.

oww...that hurts

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

He deserves a roster spot. As a Jets fan, I would have happily taken him over the shit sandwich we had at QB last season.

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sure, there are qb2s and qb3s that VY outclasses from a talent standpoint, but when you're talking abt a highly drafted, still-relatively-young player w/ maturity issues and diminishing skills, that may introduce a layer of "i don't need to work for this" entitlement that many teams, as bomb said, just feel isn't worth the hassle.

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w/ maturity issues , that may introduce a layer of "i don't
>need to work for this" entitlement that many teams, as bomb
>said, just feel isn't worth the hassle.

but it seems since his Philly days he has somewhat gotten over himself and come down to reality a bit

Im sure he would play for the min or near it

his off the field financial woes seem to still be there tho and seem to hurt him more than anything else IMO


>

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

during his first training-camp, which was impressive considering he wasn't even the starting QB at the time & had no real reason to be talking at all.

LOL @ 'he'd play for the minimum at this point'.

Of course he would.

The NFL minimum pays a lot better than dropping fries.

of themself to not be in the league

he's dont alot to hurt himself Im the first to admit

but if the punishment for his stupidity is not haveing a job in the NFL than I have to say that the punishment def dont fit the crime

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

>of themself to not be in the league
>
>he's dont alot to hurt himself Im the first to admit
>
>but if the punishment for his stupidity is not haveing a job
>in the NFL than I have to say that the punishment def dont fit
>the crime

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

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Funny how you in here clowning a career SC backup QB for landing a starting job in the league, meanwhile UCLA can't produce a single starting QB to even make a roster since Cade McNown's flopped worse than any of them back during the Clinton Administration.

Cry On.

UCLA Football will continue to lack national relevance or championships of any kind from now until the time traffic stops backing up on that Wilshire & The 405 underpass in Westwood during rush hour.

You picked the wrong route.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

dance on the grave of Vince Young's career all you want...but let's stick to the facts..

He beat you in college...

the 2 worst starting QBs in the NFL last year were Trojans...

those 2 things probably shouldn't give you confidence to throw shade at VY.....

oh...and the future of UCLA QBs in the NFL is just fine...we probably got 2 future starters on our roster right now...

Hundley is the best QB in Los Angeles right now..and one of the best in the country right today....

SCs future is more Metro-Sexual back ups in the NFL...lolol..

oh...and only 1 of us got a QB in the pro football hall of fame right?? one could honestly say SC QBs ain't really did shit in the NFL

From here this dude is just gonna be a broke, busted footnote like Bruin football always has been & will always be.

You don't wanna bring your little Bruin-Snuggle-bear box-cutter into a Trojan war-zone talking that pro careers & Hall of Fame shit, USC's put out more Hall of Famers & NFL alumni than any collegiate program ever while people outside L.A. think about the Bruins never.

Worry about winning something for once in that pathetic program's life.

I don't care what you think Jim Mora & them are *about* to do, you've been talking that shit on OKP since Karl Dorrell was there & they still ain't done dick.

this is L.A. though so you know we've seen that movie before.

Let's focus on the facts, in over a hundred years as a football program you have NEVER MATTERED therefore by an overwhelming amount of predicative data NEVER WILL.

Four years from now, you'll have some new new coach & new outlook on your program to delude yourself into while Jim Mora becomes the latest victim of the school where head-coaches become corpses.

I don't think a UCLA Head Coach has gotten a job post leaving Westwood as yet another since Dick Vermeil, who took a shitty job just to get some head-coaching experience at a bottom-feeder before moving on to a real gig.

Once Vermeil in just two short seasons achieved something that happens less frequently than a giant meteor like the one that struck Russian lands on earth (win a Rose Bowl at UCLA) he could write his own ticket.

Fuck a college gig after that, pro gigs will pay handsomely for that level of miracle work.

President of the United States might become a much more viable option with a Rose Bowl victory at UCLA on your resume.

I'm talkin Right Today....

Right Today.....top recruits are leaving Kiffin's program....

Right Today.... UCLA has the best QB in the city and one of the best in the country....

Right Today..... UCLA has the best LB in the City and one of the best in the country....

Right Today..... UCLA has the best Defense in the city and one of the best in the country....

Right Today...UCLA is picked the win the Pac 12 west and SC is picked to come in 3rd.

Right Today....UCLA has a rookie who was drafted in the first round from this year's draft reporting to camp while SC does not.

it's going to be entertaining to watch UCLA football discussions regarding PRESENT TENSE activity while SC falls further in the rear view mirror...

and he left there before I was even born.

RIGHT TODAY all you have is TALK about what you're GOING TO DO because you haven't DONE ANY-THING.......AT ANY TIME........EVER.

LOL @ crowing over preseason pundit predictions like it means something.

USC was picked to win the damn national championship last season.

I know that's never been something a UCLA Fan has experienced in their lives so let me help you out a bit here: you have to do it on the field or it doesn't mean shit.

You in here bragging about a 5-loss team like you turned a century's worth of tide by getting to a wack Bowl game & losing by four touchdowns to an unranked Baylor team is some big building block.

Please.

is Terry Donahue...

his post UCLA career saw him get the job of General Manager for the 49ers....

our current coach is already a sought after guy by the NFL....

I guarantee you that not only will Kiffin never get another head coaching job after he continues to implode sc...but he'll have a tough time getting an assistant job because he is just not a likeable person...

dude won like the same amount of outright conference titles in 30 years as Pete Carroll or even Larry Smith did in three straight seasons.

>is Terry Donahue...
>
>his post UCLA career saw him get the job of General Manager
>for the 49ers....
>
I forgot how he helped run that franchise into the ground post-Walsh, my bad.

>our current coach is already a sought after guy by the
>NFL....
>
If by 'sought after' you mean 'retread failure that couldn't get the Bills job' then sure.

>I guarantee you that not only will Kiffin never get another
>head coaching job after he continues to implode sc...but he'll
>have a tough time getting an assistant job because he is just
>not a likeable person...

I don't care about Lane Kiffin at this point, after this year he'll have served his purpose & they'll go get a real coach.

*Jews you*

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He's got a great winning percentage against Lendale White in bowling but it doesn't translate to him being able to get a gig.

what did all that cheating do for SC in the end??

titles with * next to it....and dudes floppin in the NFL...

truthfully I'm not all that invested in Reggie, Lendale or Matt Leinart's career.

Matt Barkley's career is one I'm not actually invested in since he's on my NFL squad but see what I like most about guys on my favorite college team is what they do in college, which is your team's fucking head in approximately 9 times out of 10 times & also compete for conference/national titles with some BCS Bowl wins to show for it.

Even if you stripped the '05 title it doesn't take away the shared title those guys won the year before, which even with a stripped title for those of you scoring at home means that USC's half of an '04 title is more than UCLA's sorry-ass program has one over the span of three different centuries.

As a #2 overall pick he's close to being a bust

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I've got mixed feelings about Reggie but he's a pro, he'll probably end his career with about 12,000+ total yards, 70+ TDs, a ring, some money & respect.

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just saying.

The answer is no, and yet I never hear anyone say
Leinart is out of football because he's "dumb."

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so if I had to say which one is stupider I'd go VY, worse thrower I'd go VY, worse hit-taker/pocket-presence I'd go Leinart, worse work ethic/dedication I'd say Leinart.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion for you on where my thoughts lie on these two.

>so if I had to say which one is stupider I'd go VY

Based on?

worse
>thrower I'd go VY,

Based on?


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He's got perhaps slightly-better-than-Tebow levels of throwing mechanics.

>>so if I had to say which one is stupider I'd go VY
>
>Based on?
>
Listening to him speak publically, observing the terrible decisions on/off the field, his scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic, the fact that every coach he's had in the pros has expressed frustration with his lack of ability to master the playbook.

Young is like, a better pure passer by far.

>Listening to him speak publically, observing the terrible
>decisions on/off the field,

Leinart's decisions are worse

> his scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic,

Marino

>the fact that every coach he's had in the pros has expressed
>frustration with his lack of ability to master the playbook.

Coaches never bitched about Leinart because he's been too
dumb and too shitty a thrower to warrant comment

You're making shit up

nah, not really.
>
>Young is like, a better pure passer by far.
>
LOL, no.

>>Listening to him speak publically, observing the terrible
>>decisions on/off the field,
>
>Leinart's decisions are worse
>
VY's accountant would disagree.

>> his scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic,
>
>Marino
>
16

>>the fact that every coach he's had in the pros has expressed
>>frustration with his lack of ability to master the playbook.
>
>Coaches never bitched about Leinart because he's been too
>dumb and too shitty a thrower to warrant comment
>
>You're making shit up
>
Irony.

You actually have zero evidence, at all, that Leinart
is the better passer.

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>
>You actually have zero evidence, at all, that Leinart
>is the better passer.
>
but it's funny that not only do you have to resort to childlike 'he sucks too!' tactics to deflect from your dude's shittiness but you also believe I care enough to defend Matt Leinart's wack pro career.

Please tell me more about Vince Young's short-sidearm-girl-tossing T-Rex-in-pads throwing ability/accuracy in his 23 attempts & 150 passing yards a game in all those Titan games you watched.

Care to disagree? I have data on my side.

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which plays into him not liking to get hit & never really experiencing it much at college (in retrospect him getting cheap-shotted in that ASU game was a precursor, he was a mess after that to the point I remember calling for Booty to come in while out watching it).

But he's also lazy, which is the real reason he didn't come out after his junior year, he was hurt & didn't feel like doing the rehab work necessary to be ready for that year's draft where he'd have been expected to go #1.

He'd come back to SC, win another title, take one class, fuck Paris Hilton & be a star in LA for another year with minimal effort.

Not as good as Vince Young is.



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http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18bwe491bg9ndjpg/k-medium.jpg

mad?

i'll reserve my 'cism card for another time.

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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Don't think I can say the same abut Vince

effectively. I don't mean to draw too close a comparison.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

likeability / character (at least in the eyes of fans).

he could win (see: TN) if you put a squad around him and adapt the system to his skills.

prollem is his upside isn't up enough to warrant that investment at this stage of his career.

maybe you sign him to back up terrelle pryor.

skills wise, he's definitely an above average backup. but his skills are in areas that diverge from what most squads are running with their starters, and he has some baggage, and so that just becomes a bit much.

i didn't watch him closely in BUF but dayum. if you can't get it in there at qb... how many squads in the nfl are worse than that at QB (despite the jets right today, and you don't want dude anywhere near NYC media market)?




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