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"Poll question: If Jordan hadn't retired...the Bulls win 8 straight?"
Sun Jun-09-13 03:57 PM by -DJ R-Tistic-

  

          

Somewhat of a spin off of all these posts about the 95 Rockets/Hakeem and the 96 Jazz.

People always say that if Jordan hadn't retired, the Bulls would have got 8 in a row, 91-98.

I don't know...it's really a hard call. I feel that the way things happened, it might have worked best. Three peats are already extremely hard, but I think the years when they lost may have given them a chance to refocus and not just cruise on auto pilot like some dynasties have done in NBA and other sports. But...shit...I still can't really call it.

Poll result (47 votes)
Yes (22 votes)Vote
No...still would have had 6-7 rings though (22 votes)Vote
No, they wouldn't have won six either (2 votes)Vote
Yes, and if they stayed together, could have won in 99, even 2000 (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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It's so unheard of in this (or that) era it's hard to imagine
Jun 09th 2013
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nope, something prolly would have happened, I can't give anybody 8
Jun 09th 2013
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Damn! Yea see I can imagine. People think that just because they
Jun 09th 2013
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Eight straight seems pretty unthinkable, but I dont think ...
Jun 09th 2013
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How does that blue option make sense?
Jun 09th 2013
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*6-7 rings. Meaning no, they wouldn't win 8 straight, as in 91-98, but
Jun 09th 2013
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      So you're not just givin them their 6??
Jun 09th 2013
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           Eh, it's basically saying that they wouldn't have got 8, 91-98, BUT
Jun 09th 2013
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                Well the back 3 isn't hypothetical
Jun 09th 2013
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                     Chaos theory or whatever
Jun 09th 2013
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                          Yeaaaa exactly what I mean right there.
Jun 09th 2013
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                          Gotchya
Jun 09th 2013
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                          I agree.. let's say the Bulls win 5 str8
Jun 10th 2013
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                               Motivated? They won 72 then 69.
Jun 10th 2013
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Yes.
Jun 09th 2013
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he'd probably have 8 BUT
Jun 09th 2013
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yeah i think houston woulda got them 1/2 and if not an eastern team
Jun 09th 2013
19
I think they win those years but he retires after winning 5-6 in a row
Jun 09th 2013
10
Hmm! LMAO @ failed attempt at Golf
Jun 09th 2013
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This is also likely if they had kept winning
Jun 09th 2013
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If there ever was a "Bin come out & play" post, this is it.
Jun 09th 2013
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Honestly it's tough to say without knowing who else they would have...
Jun 09th 2013
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naw because he was pretty taxed after the first 3 peat
Jun 09th 2013
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Jerry is just lucky they eventually got Rose
Jun 09th 2013
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      they made the post season during the Ben Gordon era
Jun 09th 2013
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           How was he on his last leg in 1998 at 34
Jun 09th 2013
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                that last shot in utah is how it should have ended imo
Jun 10th 2013
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I don't think so
Jun 09th 2013
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Basically this is what they did to the Magic in 96
Jun 10th 2013
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nah. death of his dad fucked him up mentally as well.
Jun 10th 2013
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murder, not death. yes there is a distinction IMO
Jun 09th 2015
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Bulls would've beat the Rockets in '94
Jun 10th 2013
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we will never know and the bulls never faced a great center
Jun 10th 2013
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      Ewing, Zo & Shaq are HOF centers that the Bulls dynasty defeated
Jun 10th 2013
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      lol who cares if its the finals we bodied shaq,Zo, and Ewing
Jun 10th 2013
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           The Bulls beat the Knicks. They never bodied Ewing
Jun 10th 2013
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                You need to Check Ya Self
Jun 10th 2013
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                     OOPS, missed Zo in 97. I stand by the rest tho
Jun 10th 2013
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                          You also need to omit the 94 series w/ the Knicks
Jun 10th 2013
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lol nm
Jun 10th 2013
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If 93-96 MJ was like 93 finals MJ?
Jun 10th 2013
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it much easier to keep people focused for 2 3peats than 8 str8
Jun 10th 2013
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we would have def won in 99 and i think one of those Hou titles
Jun 10th 2013
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Pip was on his last legs in 99
Jun 10th 2013
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No...I think there are too many variables
Jun 10th 2013
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no way they beat either rockets squad
Jun 10th 2013
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^^
Jun 10th 2013
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LMAO
Jun 10th 2013
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      uh, the rockets d that year would completely control the paint
Jun 10th 2013
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      1994 Knicks D was no different than the 94 Rockets that year
Jun 10th 2013
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      PGs do a lot more than score. Especially Smith/Cassell
Jun 10th 2013
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           Smith/Cassell were undersized shooting guards
Jun 10th 2013
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      You should really say you like the Houston Rockets and stop there
Jun 10th 2013
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           Dog, "paying attention" doesn't mean pulling up NBA stats
Jun 10th 2013
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                lol I was 'there' and watched those series too.
Jun 10th 2013
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                     Man that hawks squad was widely regarded as fugazi THEN
Jun 10th 2013
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      I LIKE HOW YOU TAWLKIN RIGHT NOW (c)funk flex
Jun 10th 2013
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That Nigga wore 45 and lost to Shaq and Penny. IT HAPPENED
Jun 10th 2013
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lol
Jun 10th 2013
42
That was 95 not 94
Jun 10th 2013
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How is that relevant?
Jun 10th 2013
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      Nobody was stopping the 95 Rockets......Nobody
Jun 10th 2013
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           LMFAO!!!! talk about myth making
Jun 10th 2013
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                I never said they dominated like the Lakers
Jun 10th 2013
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I actually wanted to mention this. People don't like to count that year
Jun 10th 2013
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Let alone Wiz-Jordan
Jun 10th 2013
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he came back in March, after missing almost 2 seasons!
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      #94
Jun 09th 2015
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That 2 year gap was so timely, it's scary
Jun 10th 2013
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jorn mythmaking is powerful
Jun 10th 2013
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Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95
Jun 10th 2013
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      RE: Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95
Jun 10th 2013
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      Yep, he came back in 96 & wooped that ass
Jun 10th 2013
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      RE: Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95
Jun 09th 2015
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They could have. '94 definitely, 95 is the big question mark.
Jun 10th 2013
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'95 Rockets = '08 Celtics (except replace punk ass KG w/ Dream)
Jun 11th 2013
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Anyone see Clutch City last night?
Jun 09th 2015
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he did tho...they didn't tho
Jun 09th 2015
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i don't think jordan would've survived...
Jun 09th 2015
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He didn't take two years off. He came back and lost
Jun 09th 2015
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      i never said he took two years off...
Jun 09th 2015
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      I'm just saying we know he wouldn't have won 8
Jun 09th 2015
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           ahh, ok (n/m).
Jun 09th 2015
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      He came back March of 95
Jun 09th 2015
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           more Jordan cysage. He was as good as ever, His team wasn't
Jun 09th 2015
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                More to the game than stats
Jun 09th 2015
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                Typical Jordan cyse: if he didn't win, he wasn't 100% or it wasn't his p...
Jun 09th 2015
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                also 4.1 TO per game, by far his highest of that era
Jun 09th 2015
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post #15
Jun 09th 2015
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yes, only on the condition that he also has RODMAN for those 5 yrs.
Jun 09th 2015
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or Horace, people sleep on him too
Jun 09th 2015
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yep they don't make 'em like that no more. all we get is big perk. lol.
Jun 09th 2015
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      yeah that 94-95 Bulls team just wasn't very good, Horace leaving...
Jun 09th 2015
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not sure how much rod can do against dream tho
Jun 09th 2015
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      people try to act like Dream was invincible but he wasn't, in 93 he lost...
Jun 09th 2015
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      he peaked in 94-95 though, as did the team he had around him
Jun 09th 2015
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      from 97 to 07 KG got bounced in 1st round 7x and missed the playoffs 3x
Jun 10th 2015
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      Wasn't rodman on that spurs team that got abused by hakeem in 95?
Jun 12th 2015
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GOOD GOD! Who Resurrected a post from 2013?
Jun 09th 2015
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Scared ass Cheese Whizes. Bron got em terrified and making shit up
Jun 09th 2015
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Is -DJ R-Tistic- a Jordan Stan? Because he's the one who upped it?
Jun 09th 2015
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Ha. Nah, Clutch City last night had everyone asking about this
Jun 09th 2015
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nah breh legs would've fell off around the 4th or 5th one.
Jun 09th 2015
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retired? He was suspending for gambling.
Jun 09th 2015
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RE: retired? He was suspending for gambling.
Jun 09th 2015
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^^^old enough to remember
Jun 10th 2015
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      I've always heard these rumors. What was the proof?
Jun 10th 2015
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           if wiseguy tim donaughy and his referee roundtable is to be believed
Jun 10th 2015
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           even if true, no way Stern was letting evidence leak
Jun 10th 2015
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lulz
Jun 09th 2015
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ok, real answer.
Jun 09th 2015
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1. "It's so unheard of in this (or that) era it's hard to imagine"
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Also hard to say who would have beat them, but 8 straight is just so long without any hiccups, there is a good chance that after 4 or 5 they may have just eased up one year and overlooked a tough squad somewhere.

Very likely that those last 3 would have been a totally different attitude on the team, may have seen a lot less fire when going for 8 or 9 in a row.

Also may have seen more if Jordan wanted to just keep doing something that could never be topped. I lean towards no it wouldn't have happened just by what I've come to expect in sports.

  

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2. "nope, something prolly would have happened, I can't give anybody 8"
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when we haven't seen more than 3 since the 60's. It's just too exhausting.

Steve Kerr was actually on with Simmons saying there was no chance of that happening & thinking that the third being as taxing as it was may have contributed in small part to MJ's retirement in '94.

  

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6. "Damn! Yea see I can imagine. People think that just because they "
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never went to a 7 game series in the Finals means that they easily just ran through those years.

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3. "Eight straight seems pretty unthinkable, but I dont think ..."
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his retirement *helped* them in some way that would suggest they'd have won less if he hadn't take the time off. it was probably OK for his knee, sure, but he was playing baseball and of course he didn't take two *full* years off either anyway.

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4. "How does that blue option make sense?"
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5. "*6-7 rings. Meaning no, they wouldn't win 8 straight, as in 91-98, but"
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would have still won 6 or 7 championships in that time frame....which means they would have lost in 1-2 of those years

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9. "So you're not just givin them their 6??"
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I'm not interpreting right.

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11. "Eh, it's basically saying that they wouldn't have got 8, 91-98, BUT"
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They would have had six or seven. Meaning, I'm for sure not just giving them the 96-98 years as victories. I'm really giving them 91-93 as the ones that they won for sure, but after that, saying they'd win 3-4 more. Not sure why it's confusing

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13. "Well the back 3 isn't hypothetical "
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I don't see how those wouldn't be a given if he stayed....not that serious, ill move on

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16. "Chaos theory or whatever"
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What transpires in those in-between 2 years would change the trajectory at least a little bit. Different wear and tear, different motivations, different rosters, etc

  

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18. "Yeaaaa exactly what I mean right there."
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Make sense now.

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36. "I agree.. let's say the Bulls win 5 str8"
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Are they sufficiently motivated to win 3 more rings? Do they make the same personnel moves? Do other teams built a super team trying to beat them?

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64. "Motivated? They won 72 then 69."
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They didn't just play "for June" (c) Kobe

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8. "he'd probably have 8 BUT"
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that Rockets team is the worst possible matchup for those Bulls squads
it'd be a serious fight but it'd end up with either Jorn being 7-1 or 8-o

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19. "yeah i think houston woulda got them 1/2 and if not an eastern team"
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orlando could have caught them slipping and if there was any blood in the water (injuries, fatigue, etc) then you know the knicks would have pounced all over that. plenty of hatred there.

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10. "I think they win those years but he retires after winning 5-6 in a row"
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Probably makes a failed attempt at golf or something

  

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22. "This is also likely if they had kept winning"
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After 5 or 6 in a row with the extra wear on his body and the team probably rebuilding in some way why wouldn't he hang it up?

  

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15. "Honestly it's tough to say without knowing who else they would have..."
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playing with them for those 8 years.

Nowadays people like to think of the Bulls as Jordan and Pippen but Horace Grant was also a key member of that first 3-peat squad and almost just as important as Pippen for his tough low-post D(he was 4x All-Defense) and as the #3 scorer he was really considered to be part of the Bulls "big 3". After the 93-94 season he signed with Orlando as a free-agent and they missed having him down-low big time in 94-95 and that forced them to trade for Rodman which was seen as somewhat of a desperation move at the time but it worked out and Rodman was a major part of that 2nd three-peat.

So that plus taking into consideration the possibility of injuries and other issues dealing with contracts and egos and whatnot it's hard to say realistically.

With a "dynasty" type team like that in a modern media environment it's like a 24-hour circus around the team and that wears on guys after a while. The stars can usually handle it but not the role players and that's where things usually start to come apart. Outside of Jordan and Pippen the 2nd 3-peat team was completely different from the first and those seasons in between were sort of "reboot" years, it would've been tough to do that only the fly while still winning titles every year.

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17. "naw because he was pretty taxed after the first 3 peat"
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and that last 3 peat he was drained. and i see why Jerry Krause was slow stepping about bringing them back, because the wear and tear had started to become noticeable.

that last Chip run Scottie was sitting out and threatening not to play and they looked very vulnerable.

they got lucky 3 times that year

first with Pippen coming back

next with the pacers non rebounding selves who should have won game 7

and the also because the Jazz couldn't get Rony Siekly from the Heat, i always say a legit Big in the glass and the Bulls run would look very different IMO.

anyway 98 you could see the writing on the wall that they were done.

Pippen had a year and half good with portland, but he was done and never fit in houston.

Jordan should have stayed retired that wizards era was cute and mostly forgettable.

Rodman was a walking tourist attraction and his game was never the same.

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21. "Jerry is just lucky they eventually got Rose"
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He pushed Jordan out the door and sent Chicago into mediocrity for a decade.

  

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24. "they made the post season during the Ben Gordon era"
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and then Rose got them back to respectable status again, however Jordan was on his last real good legs in 98 IMO.

i saw Pippen and Rodman falling off and I understand the move. however Jordan didn't want to start from scratch.

that last series against the Jazz was there last best. i couldn't see the Bulls being that deep on that level again.

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25. "How was he on his last leg in 1998 at 34"
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when at 38 he was able to avg 22/5/5 coming off golfing...



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27. "that last shot in utah is how it should have ended imo"
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nothing more to say after you make that kind of shot.

they loked vulnerable against the pacers in 98, like i said had the pacers knew how to rebound, that series would have gone to the pacers and i think krause saw that.

they as a team were getting older and also pippen had enough in the chi. rodman might have had a year left in the tank very debateable.

98 though was the year to ride off into the sunset.

them wizard years don't count. while he could score his team was average at best. doug collins was out of place.

i always say leave something to the imagination as to show folks you are done.

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23. "I don't think so"
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After the first three MJ was mentally drained, and he didn't appreciate basketball as much as he did the second time around. He put up constant challenges to motivate him and after winning three consecutive, first time since the 60s Celtics, he probably had run out.

The year and a half off, with the subsequent flameout during the Magic, gave him the fire to go for three more. People were asking those SERIOUS questions "Has he lost a step?" "Will he be as great as he was before?" "Is the Jordan we remember gone?" when in reality, he had baseball muscles and a lack of basketball conditioning. The embarrassment of HOW they lost to the Magic is what propelled him to do what he had done before retiring the first time.

Now Houston and San Antonio always gave the Bulls trouble in the regular season, but I don't think it would be the same in the playoffs. The Knicks who SHOULD have probably beat the Rockets had Riley pulled Starks at some point gave the Rockets all they could handle even though the Bulls owned them with Jordan. Hakeem ate up Patrick but the Knicks still hung in there. I can see Chicago letting Hakeem get his points but keeping the rest of the Rockets honest.

But as I said, I think it's more about what happened in 95 that propelled them to another threepeat than the notion that they'd have won 8 straight.

  

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52. "Basically this is what they did to the Magic in 96"
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>I can see Chicago letting Hakeem get his points but
>keeping the rest of the Rockets honest.

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26. "nah. death of his dad fucked him up mentally as well."
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105. "murder, not death. yes there is a distinction IMO"
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28. "Bulls would've beat the Rockets in '94 "
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The Bulls pushed the Knicks to 7 games w/o Cheese-Eyes & imagine what he would have done to the Rockets guards if Starks was styling all over them until GM 7.

In 95 Clyde was on a mission & Dream was not to be denied.

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29. "we will never know and the bulls never faced a great center "
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in the finals.

funny you mention starks and somebody called ewing out as a leader because pat riley rode with starks period in game 7.

those rockets teams were mentally tough and also fought back.

robert horry was starting his post season legacy back then.

would have been inteesting

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30. "Ewing, Zo & Shaq are HOF centers that the Bulls dynasty defeated"
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Deke, Laimbeer & Rik Smits ain't too shabby either

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35. "lol who cares if its the finals we bodied shaq,Zo, and Ewing "
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on the way there

  

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39. "The Bulls beat the Knicks. They never bodied Ewing"
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http://bit.ly/13tM7d7

They also never faced Zo in the playoffs. They faced Shaq twice. He beat them the first time. The second time, he averaged 27/11/4.

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45. "You need to Check Ya Self"
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>http://bit.ly/13tM7d7
He had his best game in 94 when Cheese-Eyes was still on vacation, so that's irrelevant. Besides 94, he was sub-par for his standards.

>They also never faced Zo in the playoffs.
Are you sure about that...please check '96 & '97.

>They faced Shaq
>twice. He beat them the first time. The second time, he
>averaged 27/11/4.
That's pretty average for Shaq.

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46. "OOPS, missed Zo in 97. I stand by the rest tho"
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54. "You also need to omit the 94 series w/ the Knicks"
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31. "lol nm"
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32. "If 93-96 MJ was like 93 finals MJ? "
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Reign of terror.

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33. "it much easier to keep people focused for 2 3peats than 8 str8"
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especially when there's a 2 year gap in between..
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34. "we would have def won in 99 and i think one of those Hou titles "
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would have been ours maybe not both
so yeah

  

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51. "Pip was on his last legs in 99"
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Not to mention Tim/Admiral would have been too much insides. The 99 Knicks basically had a duo of Houston/Spree that was comparable to the aging MJ/Pip & the 99 Spurs were a better version of the 90s Knicks team that gave the Bulls fits.

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37. "No...I think there are too many variables"
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COULD they have won 8 straight? If Jordan stays and they STILL get Rodman before the 95-96 season? Yes, 8 in a row was possible.

But I'm inclined to say they would have won in 94 (people over blow that Rockets team when they BARELY beat the knicks in 7 that yr) but I think 95 woulda been the tell tale season. Hou with finals experience coming back for another run might have been the end of things BUT considering they were a 6th seed, who's to say them losing to Chi the yr prior wouldn't have had some effect and they don't get back?

If I had to bet, they would have won 5 straight and then MJ retires. But for sure they don't get #6 if they don't get Rodman and to a lesser extent Harper.

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38. "no way they beat either rockets squad"
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the first 3peat team has the best chance to, but I still take the Rockets in 6.

  

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40. "^^"
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and those rocket teams beat those bulls teams in reg season a few times

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43. "LMAO"
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in 93-94 the bulls got BIGGER and DEEPER.

Longley, Wennington and Kukoc were added to Cartwright and Horace grant.

Kerr was added for 3's to replace Hodges and MJ's replacement avg'd 7ppg in the playoffs and 8ppg in the reg season.

All this to say, they had the size to throw at Dream and nobody on Hou was stopping MJ from getting 35 a night.

That first season they beat the rockets in 6. The next season, when Grant leaves and Hou gets Drexler might have been a different story but even then I don't bet against MJ.

1994 finals...Ya'll do realize John Starks 3-18 (2-8 from 3) in game 1 of that series...which the Rockets only won by 7 points right?

Ya'll do realize John Starks went 2-18 and 0-11 from 3 in game 7...which the Rockets won by only 6 points right?

NO way MJ lets Hou off the hook for 2 games like that. Ya'll better revist that Phx series. MJ was NOT for no bullshit and the supporting cast was stellar too.

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44. "uh, the rockets d that year would completely control the paint"
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If the bulls outside shots weren't falling? The size down low would give the bulls fits.

Also, the Rockets PGs would go ballistic on offense against the Bulls 1s.

  

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48. "1994 Knicks D was no different than the 94 Rockets that year"
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The difference was that the Knicks lacked shot makers during crunch time, otherwise it was a standstill bloodbath. LMAO @ you hyping up the Rockets guards, Starks & Harper got the best of them. (Imagine what Pip/MJ woulda done to them along w/ BJ.) If it wasn't for Ewing choking in GM 6 it would have been a different story.

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55. "PGs do a lot more than score. Especially Smith/Cassell"
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58. "Smith/Cassell were undersized shooting guards"
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Those 2 guys were basically spotting up & getting ate up on the defensive end.

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57. "You should really say you like the Houston Rockets and stop there"
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Defensively they were about even.

Bulls held teams to 2ppg fewer
Rockets had a better FG% D by 2%
Bulls blocked 62 more shots
Rockets had 37 more steals

^^^Says the bulls had better interior D than the Rockets and only had 37 less steals while missing one of the premier defensive G's of all time (Jordan avg'd almost 3 at 2.8 steals a game the yr before)

>If the bulls outside shots weren't falling? The size down low
>would give the bulls fits.

Bill Cartright 7'1"
Horace Grant 6'10"
Toni Kukoc 6'10"
Luc Longley 7'2"
Stacy King 6'11"
Scott Williams 6'10"
Bill Wennington 7'
Will Perdue 7'

Not to mention Jordan was 6'6" and Pip was 6'7" and each avg'd 6-7 boards a game. So even if the shots weren't falling, they could board just as good as Hou.

LMAO at size inside when Dream was the only 7 footer worth mentioning on that roster. Thorp and horry were only 6'9" and Horry didn't even board that well. It was basically Thorp boarding and dream blocking shots. And trust me, if he got challenged enough, Dream would be in foul trouble.


>Also, the Rockets PGs would go ballistic on offense against
>the Bulls 1s.

So Kenny Smith and a rookie Sam Cassell were gonna beast better than KJ did the yr prior? Really? So allstar BJ Armstrong was chopped liver huh? So Steve Kerr wasn't shooting 41% from 3 that season huh? BJ wasn't shooting 44% from 3 huh? Paxson wasn't shooting 40% from 3 huh?

LMAO

C'mon dude. Just say you're a big Dream fan and you like the Rockets. Cuz you can't obviously have paid any attention to basketball the season in question or the prior season.

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62. "Dog, "paying attention" doesn't mean pulling up NBA stats"
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20 years later, lol. Unless you just Rain Manning stats like that.

The rockets played in a West that was much better offensively than the bulls east. The east after Chi, NYK, and ORL was pretty wack.

Also the Rockets consistently gave the bulls fits during Jordan's run, no matter what lineup.

  

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63. "lol I was 'there' and watched those series too."
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>20 years later, lol. Unless you just Rain Manning stats like
>that.

The stats just help drive home the point.

>The rockets played in a West that was much better offensively
>than the bulls east. The east after Chi, NYK, and ORL was
>pretty wack.

Nope...pacers (made the conf finals) were good and so were the Hawks (#1 seed). So by my count, that's 5 legit teams in each conf (spurs, jazz, sonics, rockets, suns).

And the rockets got gifted 3 games in the finals (starks shat the bed in games 1 and 7 and Ewing choked away game 6 with his missed layup that shoulda been a dunk). The Bulls don't give Hou that many opportunities to win and Chi was a better team than NY.

>Also the Rockets consistently gave the bulls fits during
>Jordan's run, no matter what lineup.

Reg season vs Post season. Knicks took the reg season series 3-1 in 92-93. What happened in the playoffs?

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70. "Man that hawks squad was widely regarded as fugazi THEN"
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They were very well-coached, but NOBODY expected them to do shit, and they for damn sure wasn't any kind of offensive machine. The pacers had 3pt shooting and Rik Smits, but they weren't as good as the Isaiah Thomas Pacers from a few years later.

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59. "I LIKE HOW YOU TAWLKIN RIGHT NOW (c)funk flex"
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>1994 finals...Ya'll do realize John Starks 3-18 (2-8 from 3) in game 1 of that series...which the Rockets only won by 7 points right?

  

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41. "That Nigga wore 45 and lost to Shaq and Penny. IT HAPPENED"
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49. "That was 95 not 94"
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50. "How is that relevant?"
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Jorn came back and they lost in the playoffs BETWEEN the two three-peats. Could they have won 7? That's a question. Could they have won eight? Nope.

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53. "Nobody was stopping the 95 Rockets......Nobody"
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Basically, the whole team was on fire ala 2001 Lakers......Dream/Clyde/Horry/Ellie/Cassell.....& even Kenny in the Finals. They had a stingy D & versatility at the offensive end that no team could match: inside, outsides, mid-range, drives to the baskets. Add to the fact that Dream was playing w/ a chip on his shoulder & Clyde was HUNGRY for a chip.......nobody had a chance in 95. They basically willed their way into the finals & once the prize was within their reach they weren't to be denied in 95.

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67. "LMFAO!!!! talk about myth making"
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>Basically, the whole team was on fire ala 2001
>Lakers
the 2001 Lakers lost ONE game the entire playoffs. Houston's run was incredible, but they were pushed to the limit numerous times.

they were down 3-1 to the Suns, and should have probably lost. KJ beasted like shit, and it was the beginning of Chuck's body breaking down. in any event, they were on the ropes in several series. That Lakers team was never even threatened.


......Dream/Clyde/Horry/Ellie/Cassell.....& even Kenny
>in the Finals. They had a stingy D & versatility at the
>offensive end that no team could match: inside, outsides,
>mid-range, drives to the baskets. Add to the fact that Dream
>was playing w/ a chip on his shoulder & Clyde was HUNGRY for a
>chip.......nobody had a chance in 95. They basically willed
>their way into the finals & once the prize was within their
>reach they weren't to be denied in 95.
a team of destiny run for sure, but they were not the buzzsaw that the Lakers were and their championship experience versus none with each of their opponents played in their favor.

  

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69. "I never said they dominated like the Lakers"
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All I mentioned was that the whole team was on fire from the stars to the role players which was the same case as the '01 Lakers.

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60. "I actually wanted to mention this. People don't like to count that year"
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although Jordan was getting 31 a game when he was supposedly "not in condition"

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61. "Let alone Wiz-Jordan"
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People definitely wanted to shoot themselves in the eyes with the Men in Black lasers after those disastrous years.

  

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93. "he came back in March, after missing almost 2 seasons!"
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If you don't think that matters, you either don't know hoops or you're just being biased.

  

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96. "#94"
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With Grant playing for the Magic and no Rodman they had nothing for Orlando.

  

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47. "That 2 year gap was so timely, it's scary"
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Obviously we can't ever know how the Bulls would have fared, but because of Jordan's "perfection" in the Finals we see him with this invincible aura around him during that time. Do we not remember him losing in the '95 playoffs? Oh, but he came back in the middle of the year yada yada I've heard it all by now.

No way he wins 8 straight. Nobody's ever gonna do that again after Bill Russell.

  

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56. "jorn mythmaking is powerful"
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65. "Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95"
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66. "RE: Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95"
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>
>Even Wizards Jorn, I get. But that year, 95, he was getting 31
>in the damn playoffs!!!

shooting at a Kobe like FG percentage though. Everyone knows he didn't have his legs back under him. Nevermind the Bulls team without a presence like Horace Grant was not situated to contend for the title.

  

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68. "Yep, he came back in 96 & wooped that ass"
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88. "RE: Yea man I don't see why people make that pass for him in 95"
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>
>Even Wizards Jorn, I get. But that year, 95, he was getting 31
>in the damn playoffs!!!

That was damn near a two year break though. You're not gonna come back in March in game shape after 21 months away from the game. That's a legit pass IMO.

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71. "They could have. '94 definitely, 95 is the big question mark."
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I see no reason in the world why the '94 Bulls (with a healthy MJ) couldn't have taken out the Rockets. Remember, it took the Rockets 7 games to beat a Knicks team that the Bulls routinely beat up on. Ewing/Starks shot horribly that series and the games were still close.

5 in a row is pushing it though. I think the Bulls may have stumbled/lost focus at some point. But from a talent perspective, I see no reason why they wouldn't have been able to beat the Rockets in both '94 & '95. Yes, the Dream was unstoppable. But folks act like those Rockets teams were invincible. I swear they are the most overrated team on these boards. They were a vulnerable team. I was young then, but vividly remember them being down/faced with elimination a few times during that '95 run. They were hardly unbeatable like some folks here like to tell it.

  

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72. "'95 Rockets = '08 Celtics (except replace punk ass KG w/ Dream)"
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The fact both teams were able to come out on top after facing adversity speaks volumes to their mental fortitude & hunger to win. The Rockets actually won a bunch of road games against higher seeds. That team was built for the post-season b/c they were a collection vets & big shot makers that can grind through a series as opposed to blaze through their opposition on any given Sunday.

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73. "Anyone see Clutch City last night?"
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74. "he did tho...they didn't tho"
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75. "i don't think jordan would've survived..."
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..as much as people like to debate whether or not hakeem's rockets could be jordan's bulls, i don't think that would've been tale of the tape.

the real challenge would be jordan vs jordan. on the heels of his father's murder, i really don't think jordan would've been healthy enough (mentally) to survive it all. his lifestyle & habits leading up to that were already destructive enough. his break from the NBA probably saved his life.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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76. "He didn't take two years off. He came back and lost"
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77. "i never said he took two years off..."
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..however, we all know he walked away from the NBA at the apex of his career.

when i said 'break,' i was referring to the pressure of being the world's best athlete during their dynasty. while he still faced scrutiny in the media and continued other athletic pursuits, it was nowhere near the level of pressure he faced in the NBA.

that said, i think that break from the game saved his life.


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78. "I'm just saying we know he wouldn't have won 8"
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because he didn't win 7.

  

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81. "ahh, ok (n/m)."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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87. "He came back March of 95"
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That's damn near 2 years away from the game. No way he was in peak form after a long break like that.

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94. "more Jordan cysage. He was as good as ever, His team wasn't"
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That post-season, he averaged 31.5 points 4.5 assists, 6.5 boards, 2.3 steals and 1.4 blocks. They lost to Shaq and Penny

The following season (when they added Rodman) He averaged 30.7 points, 4.1 boards, 4.9 boards, 1.8 steals and .03 blocks. They won a chip.

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98. "More to the game than stats"
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The man wasn't in game shape but carry on

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100. "Typical Jordan cyse: if he didn't win, he wasn't 100% or it wasn't his p..."
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102. "also 4.1 TO per game, by far his highest of that era"
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including the turnover we all remember.

That shit doesn't happen to Jordan in that era any other time.

He was still playing his way back into shape. He shot 41% in the regular season that year, way below his normal level.

And I agree, the lack of a PF was a part of it too.

Regardless, we all knew they(he) were getting it together, and bouncing back and winning it in '96. Wasn't even a question.

  

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79. "post #15"
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80. "yes, only on the condition that he also has RODMAN for those 5 yrs. "
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w/o rodman, dream in his prime is getting his chips.

prime jorn + a dude pullin 17 boards per night + playing the best big-man defense EVER.

hot rod's dominance is almost as criminally slept-on as dream is

even as a shorty i used to trip off-that -- how you gonna pair the best offensive player with the best defensive player? that's racketeering.

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82. "or Horace, people sleep on him too"
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83. "yep they don't make 'em like that no more. all we get is big perk. lol."
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84. "yeah that 94-95 Bulls team just wasn't very good, Horace leaving..."
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as a free agent going over to the Magic the Bulls had to start Toni Kukoc at PF with Luc Longley and Will Purdue playing the 5. Horace had his way with those dudes in the Eastern conference semi-finals.

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85. "not sure how much rod can do against dream tho"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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86. "people try to act like Dream was invincible but he wasn't, in 93 he lost..."
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to a young ass Sonics team, in 96 he lost to a more seasoned Sonics team, that same Sonics team was dominated by the Bulls in the Finals. The next 2 years the Rockets got knocked off by the Jazz who were dominated by the Bulls in the Finals.

From 88 to 92 Dream either lost in the first round or didn't even make the playoffs.

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97. "he peaked in 94-95 though, as did the team he had around him"
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Obviously he was great for a long time.

But by 94 and 95, his footwork and offensive game was so polished. And he still had most of the athleticism of his younger days at that point.

Plus he had shooters around him in those years, which is all he needed. It was 20 years ago, but all I recall was Hakeem doing work in the post, and when he was doubled kicking it out to Kenny, Elie, Cassell, or Horry who all shot the lights out.

  

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106. "from 97 to 07 KG got bounced in 1st round 7x and missed the playoffs 3x"
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111. "Wasn't rodman on that spurs team that got abused by hakeem in 95?"
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so if rodman AND robinson couldn't stop olajuwon in his prime, i'm certain rodman and purdue probably couldn't, lol

  

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89. "GOOD GOD! Who Resurrected a post from 2013?"
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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."

  

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92. "Scared ass Cheese Whizes. Bron got em terrified and making shit up"
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99. "Is -DJ R-Tistic- a Jordan Stan? Because he's the one who upped it?"
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Asking about the Houston Clutch City Doc NBA TV had on last night.

Or do you just like making stuff up?

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101. "Ha. Nah, Clutch City last night had everyone asking about this"
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That was damn near half of the narrative..."would they have won 1-2 Rings if Jordan had been there in those years?" And the Rockets players all felt that they FOR SURE would have beat Chicago at least once.

And....crazy, but I created this post EXACTLY two years ago.

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90. "nah breh legs would've fell off around the 4th or 5th one."
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91. "retired? He was suspending for gambling."
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103. "RE: retired? He was suspending for gambling."
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go tell it on the mountain!!!!!!!! why do mufuckas forget this??

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107. "^^^old enough to remember"
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exactly.

handshake agreement with stern so mj and the league could both save public face?

no internets back then obviously, but the papers lightweight connected his dad's murder to the bookies. i mean, james jordan was found sleeping with the fishes.

  

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108. "I've always heard these rumors. What was the proof?"
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And I heard that his dad was killed over gambling, although the news tried to make it sound like it was just random as shit that an older Black man was killed.

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109. "if wiseguy tim donaughy and his referee roundtable is to be believed"
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then there you have it.

otherwise i don't think we'll ever get "proof". the league doesn't want any more federal heat or anti-trust oversight that it's received in the 20 years since mj was swatting mosquitoes down in AA ball.

  

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110. "even if true, no way Stern was letting evidence leak"
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The master of burying shit...he would just sit at the podium and smirk.

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95. "lulz"
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104. "ok, real answer."
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assuming jordan never leaves in 93, i definitely think they could've won 94. they return the entire core of the b2b2b chip team: prime jordan, a better bj armstrong, better pippen, better grant. they still bring in kukoc and kerr in the offseason to fortify the bench, and still move stacey king in february for longley (who was essentially the mozgov of the 2nd 3peat squad)

remember they won 55 (!) games in 94 w/o mj. his presence easily pushes that to 60+ so they enjoy HCA over the knicks (57-25) in the ECF and the rockets (58-24) in the finals. remember the 93 squad won w/o home court in either of the last 2 rounds.

so yeah, i think they 4peat. beyond that it's really impossible to say for sure. too many what ifs re: roster construction. does grant leave a 4x champion for orlando? maybe, but prolly not. so prolly no rodman. which tbh would've been an upgrade, 95-98 grant was a better player than rodman. do they still lose bj in the expansion draft? is harper still signed or does a different, maybe younger player fill that role? jordan never leaving means different win totals, so different draft positions and team needs. maybe they take person in 94 or finley in 95. etc etc.

also, there's prolly no way jordan handles as many minutes as he played from 96-98 without the 2 yr sabbatical.

so again, way too many variables to really say. but regardless of roster, i can't imagine a healthy jordan and pippen in their primes _not_ fielding teams that were competitive in the title race every year. they were just too good.

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