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gloomy Saturday.

PPS: I'm down to the last bit of cilantro paste. Sunday's guac
will have real cilantro.

Poll result (32 votes) Bad: I only think she's the best female athlete ever (0 votes) Vote Really bad: I only think she's the the best women tennis player ever (1 votes) Vote Disgraceful: I only think she's the most transcendent female athlete of our generation (19 votes) Vote A little: She's actually a god(ess) (8 votes) Vote I'm white (4 votes) Vote

You can argue stats just b/c she is still 5 majors behind Graf and 7 behind the overall lead for women, but I have no doubt if she played Graf in her prime she would win.

Arguing athletes across any sport is always a fools argument, just too hard to compare fairly but she is on a very short list of most dominating female athletes.

it's really tough to compare across eras, I'd say they're about at the same level

Serena's serve is probably better, and her backhand is definitely better, but Steffi's forehand was a transcendent shot that nobody could really handle. I would bet on Steffi on clay, on Serena on hard court, and it'd be 50/50 at Wimbledon (with grass being the way it is now...on 80s/early 90s grass, Serena would likely dominate her thanks to her serve).

Serena is definitely top 3, maybe GOAT (it's between her, Navratilova and Graf)

She is the best

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as any women's tennis player ever, ever IMO.

i'm in awe because Venus on the surface had more versatility and yet Serina on power still dominates and still colects trophys and she controls her own fate.

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shes reached that transcendent level like MJ, lebron (pre scandal) tiger where people only wanna talk about her when she loses.

Personally its her or steffi for GOAT. Evert and nav couldn't step to her in this era where slice tennis isn't as effective as it was 10-20 years ago.

>Personally its her or steffi for GOAT. Evert and nav couldn't
>step to her in this era where slice tennis isn't as effective
>as it was 10-20 years ago.

considering Evert never sliced anything, and Steffi was slicing her backhand about 90% of the time. With that said...I'd say Evert would not stand a chance, Navratilova would be hampered by not being able to server & volley as much but I think she was good enough to adjust.

Ima throw some chicken on the Foreman

With some Broccoli, I think (haven't had anything green today,
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Had a veggie pizza for a late lunch, greek yogurt with granola and blueberries right now.

Good for you

I don't eat poorly, just too many chips and fucking hummus

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Only time I eat like shit is when I leave town and visit friends.

I eat some processed food of course, but I very rarely get fast food.

Bomb ass veggie pizza = whole wheat thin crust, spinach, bell pepper, red onion, broccoli, jalapeno optional.

>Bomb ass veggie pizza = whole wheat thin crust, spinach, bell
>pepper, red onion, broccoli, jalapeno optional.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

GOAT...Even Johnny Mac thinks so....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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>That cilantro paste shit is worse than Pol Pot and AIDS
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>Behold my works,ye mighty

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and the answer is very

>and the answer is very

We been peace since Clarrett stopped bodyguarding for Aaron
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Went to see her in the semis and saw her and Venus in doubles Friday.
Just to say I saw that greatness in person was.......amazing

Most of her competition retired

hingis
capriati
Henin.

They gave her fits and beat her several times

record against hingis: 7-6

record against capriati: 10-7

record against henin: 8-6...but henin dominated serena on clay and at the french: 4-1 henin. Unfortunately, she had to retire because of injury but she had serena's number.


Those players had strength, speed and endurance, so they were able to compete against serena.....Serena is going on 32 which is old as hell for a tennis player. She is out of here prime and destroying all comers.

Today's players don't have the strength to deal with serena ..but sloan is coming on strong


When they were playing serena didn't dominate every tournament, but now, with no competition, she's killing everyone and everything ....she's playing in a very weak, weak era

she is still dominating almost ten years after she stopped battling those other women you mentioned and that says she is the best.

she outlived her peers and now is whipping up on younger chicks which ain't the norm

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hingis retired due to injury and so did henin

again she was 7-6 against hingis, and hingis like serena is about 32 ...

Henin owned serena in grand slam matches: 4-3, and on clay: 4-1..Henin dominated ALL of 2007..HENIN constantly broke serena's serve ...constantly


Henin announced her immediate retirement from professional tennis on 14 May 2008, and requested the Women's Tennis Association to remove her name from the rankings immediately. Her announcement was a surprise because Henin was still ranked World No. 1 and was considered the favorite for the 2008 French Open, where she would have been the 3-time defending champion. She said she felt no sadness about her retirement because she believed it was a release from a game she had focused on for twenty years. She also said that in the future, she would be concentrating on charity and her tennis school.


if henin did not have a serious knee injury, henin would still be playing, and serena would not be dominating ..Henin's short stocky body gave her a low center of gravity so she was able to stick to the ground with so much power, and cover the entire court better than serena. ..it made her extremely agile and athletic.


Serena is an all time great, but her competitors( true competition) retired due to injury

not one single player in this era has the power to deal with serena like henin, capriati and hingis.

Henin is Serena's seles.

>Henin's short
>stocky body gave her a low center of gravity so she was able
>to stick to the ground with so much power,

What in the hell?

Henin was an all-time great, yes, but her height was WAY more of a detriment to her game than it was beneficial. There is literally no benefit to being short in tennis.

She had the best one-handed backhand of all time, alot of pop on the forehand, good fitness, and a killer instinct. And Serena still had a winning record against her.

Yes, for sure. Her technique was great, but her height helped her with balance while moving, allow her to maximize her speed and footwork.


"A shorter height will also increase a lower centre of gravity giving a player better balance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_in_sports

Henin's speed, and ability to cover the court extremely well gave her and advantage over serena...but it also put a lot of pressure on her knees.. Henin was way more quicker than serena, especially on clay where she dominated serena....similar to how nadal is on clay.

Your argument is that her level of comp is weak because she outlasted the other great players of her era? Even though she had winning records against all of them? Even though she dealt with injuries herself?

Wow...

You say she struggled mightily against those women, then posted winning records against all of them.

It's not Serena's fault she doesn't have any competition right now. She can only bitchslap whoever is on the court with her.

Federer is the undisputed GOAT as of right now, yet his record against Nadal is poo poo.

>It's not Serena's fault she doesn't have any competition right
>now. She can only bitchslap whoever is on the court with
>her.

Right? Like what's she supposed to do, not win?? Tank every now & then? Or dominate like she's capable of doing?

There have been plenty of players with the skills & talent to dominate the game (Marat Safin comes to mind), but whether they have the will & work ethic to do so is another thing. Serena doesn't just roll out of bed and decide that she's going to win, she works HARD to improve her game and to be the best player she can be. This is the case for all top athletes. You can have all the natural talent in the world, but if you don't work hard at your craft, you won't be able to stay at the top for long. You'll also have to have the hunger & motivation to keep winning.

I'm not even a fan of Serena like that, but if you can't appreciate what she's doing right now, then you're truly clueless and is really taking her for granted.

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Im not discrediting her. It's just that she was not dominating when they were playing, because they were winning tourneys too....especially henin.

She couldn't walk through them.

Serena's great, but today's era is just weak sauce

Plus Venus came down with an immune disorder, so should could no longer compete at a top level.

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

see #24

first her era was overated'
then she didnt dominate because others were winning
her sister was number 2 as recent as 2010
im really dumbfounded in your logic

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We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

She was #1 in 2002 and is #1 in 2013. At some point in that 11 years someone good came along right?

Where are they currently if not better than her yet?

I agree with this.

and monica absolutely DOMINATED that chick.

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I wouldn't say graf is overrated, because to me no one is touching her baseline game or forehand, and she won more titles than anyone ...and no one played graceful, pure tennis like graf ...her game was like ken griffey swing.


But I think Seles was the total package of anyone I have ever seen.



This is why there isn't a true greatest of all time

graf had seles
serena had henin

etc, etc, etc, ....

they all have their faults and pluses.


But this era of women's tennis is weak as shit....no true power players with all around ability.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I won't say Graf is overrated....But yeah...Monica getting stabbed was HUGE in the big scheme of things...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

argument against mayweather, jordan and lots of other dominant athletes in their sport. they dont choose what era they play in or who they play, they just win. if you're looking for someone better, you're still looking at the best of the best. that really is not a convincing way to take something away from someone.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

She is not the best of the best...She one of the best.

Being best of the best is dominating on all surfaces, which she did not do..

You're not best of the best when a player masters you in a grand slam and in all grand slam matches.

Again, serena is ONE of the greatest. But if henin does not retire due to a knee injury -- BEING NUMBER 1 AT THE TIME OF HER RETIREMENT- serena
would not be the only dominant women's player, especially on CLAY.

jordan never lost a final....mayweather never lost...not the same thing , fam, not even close. .

And Graf's rise was due to a STABBING

Serena's, according to you, was because of Henin's
knee injury (not true...and you keep pointing to
2007...Serena wasn't NEAR her prime then, fuck
you talking about)

You're IGNORING that Serena CAME BACK FROM INJURIES
HERSELF, which is part of the legend

And she improved on multiple surfaces

There is an increasingly shut-the-door case for her
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http://www.oregonlive.com/the-spin-of-the-ball/index.ssf/2013/07/why_serena_williams_will_have.html

Serena Williams, at 31, is the best player on the WTA tour by far. She's won 16 major singles titles. Her biggest "rivals" at the moment, Victoria Azarenka and Maria Sharapova, have a combined 3-25 record against her. It has become conventional wisdom that she is the best woman to ever pick up a fuzzy yellow ball.

But is it so cut and dried?

The case can be made for Serena as the best ever, and it has been, but it's actually still a rather tough sell.

In 2003, when the American had the "Serena Slam" in her pocket and was going for the real Grand Slam, the diminutive Justine Henin beat her at the French Open. That match is best remembered for Henin's questionable sportsmanship when she refused to acknowledge that she had disrupted Serena's service motion by raising her hand. But it's difficult to argue that Serena would have won if only Henin had admitted to her etiquette transgression. The fact is, Serena was at her very best -- and it wasn't enough to beat Henin. The little Belgian would prove four years later that she didn't need gamesmanship to be the best in the game. In 2007, she topped Serena in succession at the French Open, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open, slamming the door shut -- or so we thought at the time -- on the Serena era.


HENIN HAD HER FUCKING NUMBER WHEN SERENA WAS AT HER BEST AND IN HER PRIME....Serena was not the all out favorite when henin was playing, and in those years serena in her PRIME had issues and that was when the media was getting in her ass.....

Are y'all smiling as widely as I am right now?

This is COMEDY, fam.

Yes.

because henin dominated serena on clay and fast courts, posting a 4-1 edge in french open battles, and 4-3 edge in grand slam battles. Serena owns the overall record between the two: 8-6

Henin was force to retire due to a knee injury, and at the time she was the number 1 player in the world.

She totally dominated serena in a full tennis season while serena was dead in the middle of her prime, with no injuries.

So yes, we are talking about henin..WHO WAS THE FASTER PLAYER

Serena won the Aussie that year UNSEEDED and was the
8 seed at the US Open when she lost

She was fat and out of shape the entire year....and
STILL WON the Aussie

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You do realize that prime age for a tennis player is 24-28, because once they get closer to 30 is when a tennis player's game starts to fall off.

guess what henin is also 31, same age as serena.

guess what serena was dominating everything BEFORE henin came and was the greatest women's tennis player in the world...and then 2007 happend, and serena got shut down in the french, wimbeldon, and the us open.

also grand slam matches - henin....fastcourts - henin french open -henin.

henin was the faster player, and she came and snatched Serena's number one crown!

that never happened to jordan or mayweather...

but then henin retired due to a knee injury, while she was number 1 in the world!!...


stop.

>You do realize that prime age for a tennis player is 24-28,
>because once they get closer to 30 is when a tennis player's
>game starts to fall off.

You are imposing a "women peak at this age" idea here

Bwahhahaha Serena is REWRITING the peak age of tennis
dominance

SERENA WAS HURT, COMING OFF DEPRESSION AND WAS COMPLETELY
OUT OF SHAPE THE ENTIRE YEAR!!!

That's why she was UNRANKED DURING THE AUSSIE and was an
8-seed during the US OPEN!!! She was a SHADOW of her f
former self!!!

That she WON THE FUCKING AUSSIE THAT YEAR when she was
OPENLY AND ADMITTEDLY FAT is WHY PEOPLE SAY SHE'S THE
GOAT!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


>guess what henin is also 31, same age as serena.


>also grand slam matches - henin....fastcourts - henin
>french open -henin.
>
>henin was the faster player, and she came and snatched
>Serena's number one crown!

BWHAHAHAHAH SERENA was BARELY TOP 10 in 2007, idiot

She was depressed and LITERALLY working herself back
into shape

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if you're going to use the excuse that serena was coming off of depression, etc

what about henin coming back from a cracked patella, which happened in 2005!!

Dude.henin sent serena packing three straight majors back to back to back, bro

and went into the following year as the number 1 player....but then knee never fully healed, so she had to retire

chick was was playing on a freaking wobbly kneecap while destroying the tennis world.

I mean, dude, serena is one of the greatest, but henin had a number big time...just like seles had steffi's number.


I'm not discrediting serena's greatness....the part of being a great player is dealing with injuries, pressure, etc.....but that excuse is only valid for serena?

come on, man

What if Henin didn't get hurt
What if Serena had better comp
You have not disputed anything at this point.

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definitely be used for henin regarding serena.

The argument isn't that serena isn't great. She is, but she is not the greatest of all time, and not even close.

1. She never won the grand slam, or dominated an entire year.

2. She is having a better run now than she did in her prime. In her prime, the competition was a lot better and she was dominated by other players.

She came close to winning the grand slam in 2002, but hasn't been close since, only winning 2 major titles in each year.

Steffi won the grand slam, and then had three years where she won 3 major tournaments ...So one grand slam, and then three other years where she almost won the grand slam, by winning three majors.


Serena's wins over the years.

this year: she didn't win the Wimbeldon or the australian open.

last year: didn't win the french or the australian open

year before that in 2011, didn't win anything

in 2009, didn't win the french or the us open

in 2008, didn't win the french or australian open

in 2007, won only the aussie because henin dominated that entire year ...while serena was in her prime..no injuries

in 2006, won nothing

in 2005, only won the australian open ...


I can go on and on and on..She is a great player, but not the greatest. There is no greatest player of all time, because every great has a flaw that disputes the claim of being the greatest of all time...

lots of players, SERENA included, have had injury and health concerns, while you're pulling up that sad shit. Serena had a life threatening illness, are you fucking kidding me???

Even so, I can only recall one tennis player being STABBED during a fucking match.

Graf was the truth, but Seles was RUNNING shit before she got stabbed. Shit man, the person who stabbed Seles was a big Graf fan! Fucked up, but he got what he wanted.

I don't even need to get into the rest of the shit you stated because she has a winning record against ALL of em. ALL OF EM. and you're just good and mad


>definitely be used for henin regarding serena.
>
>The argument isn't that serena isn't great. She is, but she is
>not the greatest of all time, and not even close.
>
>1. She never won the grand slam, or dominated an entire year.
>
>
>2. She is having a better run now than she did in her prime.
>In her prime, the competition was a lot better and she was
>dominated by other players.
>
>She came close to winning the grand slam in 2002, but hasn't
>been close since, only winning 2 major titles in each year.
>
>Steffi won the grand slam, and then had three years where she
>won 3 major tournaments ...So one grand slam, and then three
>other years where she almost won the grand slam, by winning
>three majors.
>
>
>Serena's wins over the years.
>
>this year: she didn't win the Wimbeldon or the australian
>open.
>
>last year: didn't win the french or the australian open
>
>year before that in 2011, didn't win anything
>
>in 2009, didn't win the french or the us open
>
>in 2008, didn't win the french or australian open
>
>in 2007, won only the aussie because henin dominated that
>entire year ...while serena was in her prime..no injuries
>
>in 2006, won nothing
>
>in 2005, only won the australian open ...
>
>
>I can go on and on and on..She is a great player, but not the
>greatest. There is no greatest player of all time, because
>every great has a flaw that disputes the claim of being the
>greatest of all time...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

She won the Aussie UNSEEDED that year

She had a terrible year, was gimpy and just
getting back into it

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lol

http://www.oregonlive.com/the-spin-of-the-ball/index.ssf/2013/07/why_serena_williams_will_have.html

there was nothing gimpy about serena in 2007...she was strong as ever, but here best wasn't good enough against henin:

you are referring to 2006, my friend, not 2007

henin after beating serena at the french:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/06/05/sports/tennis/henin.650.jpg



also, henin fractured her kneecap in 2005, bro..had to rehab, CAME THE FUCK BACK and dominated upon her return.

bro, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact henin was on the same level as serena, and was better than her on fastcourts( french, etc)


Henin's game was such a problem for serena, that she was frustrated as shit , because henin had the mental edge.. ...it's all right here:


orts.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen07/news/story?id=3004964

"And, beyond the numbers, they have a history. Their misunderstandings of the past have been set aside, and today there seems to be a deep and abiding mutual respect. Not that they don't like to beat each other. To the contrary, they seem to savor it more than almost anything.
On Tuesday, they collided again, and Henin, not surprisingly, was the emphatic winner, 7-6 (3), 6-1. The Belgian now has sent Williams home from the past three Grand Slams.
Henin will play the winner of Wednesday night's match between Venus Williams and Jelena Jankovic in a Friday semifinal.
After her loss Tuesday, in a halting, four-minute interview, Williams was as sullen as she has ever been in public. She said she would have skipped the mandatory session with the press but didn't want to pay the possible $10,000 fine.
It would have been money well spent. More than anything, Williams was an exceptionally sore loser, perhaps a window to her consistently vast expectations versus the reality of her current situation.
"I really don't feel like talking about it," Williams said. "I can't explain that right now.
"I just think she made a lot of lucky shots, and I made a lot of errors."
Clearly, she was deeply disappointed, perhaps even demoralized.
"No," she said sarcastically. "I'm very happy."
Serena Williams
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Serena Williams couldn't convert a set point in the first against Justine Henin and it went all downhill from there.
Henin, in her post-match interview, might have best explained why Williams was so distraught.
"Tactically, it was very clear in my head what I had to do," Henin said. "It's very important to do it from the first point to the end. She loves to have control of the rallies. She loves to be in the court. She doesn't like to be under pressure, especially on the forehand side."
Another possibility: Williams never had lost a match to Henin on the hard courts that complement her game (she was 3-0).
"There's nothing to say about my win today," Henin said. "She's at home. She expected a lot of things here. She had a lot of motivation. So that gives a lot of satisfaction."
Make no mistake, Henin won this match more than Williams lost it. She was ruthlessly aggressive; both players approached net 14 times, but Henin won 11 points, compared to only five for Williams.
There is a reason Henin is the world's No. 1 player and the top seed here, a chain of events that placed Williams down at No. 8.


Henin was a mental beast, and never feared serena ...capriati and hingis were the same way with her.

these current players fear the shit out of serena, and the funny thing is she is out of her prime.

She improved DURING 2007 but was SO INJURED after
Wimbeldon that she played NO TOURNAMENTS going into
the US OPEN!!!

You are a fucking LIAR!

She was FAT and HURT and PLAYED herself into shape;

2007 was the YEAR she started to get her shit together
and accomplished what she did SOLELY because she's great

She SHOCKED Sharapova that year, because Serena was
COMPLETELY out of shape!!!!

And worked herself back to the top AGAIN!!!

AFTER a pulmonary embolism!!

GODDAMN you are in here HELPING HER ARGUMENT!!!

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You're using a lot of excuses, and you should just acknowledge that henin was just better.

again, henin cracked her freaking kneecap in 2005.she had to rehab like forever, but the knee never really healed, but she still dominated serena on all surfaces when she came back and snatched the number 1 crown.

all while playing on a weak knee, which lead to her leaving in 2008( reinjured the same knee)....she left the game smacked dead in her prime and the number 1 tennis player in the world.


At some point, you have to acknowledge the truth. ...a fucking cracked patella for player who had to run around like crazy ...let that marinate and get back to me.

20 years from now nobody but you will be talking about 3 losses in a rebuilding season for Serena.

Sorry homie...But I'm going to pile on here...Henin? I mean, you grasping for straws...The record is there...Even when Williams was in that era where woman's tennis was really gully her record against Henin, Hingis and the like was impressive....And she's still dominating...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

No she wasn't dominating that's the point.

henin dominated her on CLAY!!..do you know what domination means? ...domination means dominating all tourneys and all players....That didn't happen.

henin owned serena on the fast courts....and took an entire year from her!..She dominated a FULL TENNIS SEASON WHILE SERENA WAS IN HER PRIME AND WAS FORCED TO RETIRE WHILE HOLDING THE NUMBER ONE RANKING ABOUT A YEAR LATER....AND THEN SERENA WENT BACK TO THE TOP. ..

lol

what is there not to understand here?

Serena is actually more dominant out of her prime than she was in it, which is the entire argument. She is killing players right now better than she did in her prime, at age where she shouldn't even be playing ....tells a lot about this era of tennis players.


The point is, she is ONE of the greatest, because there is no such thing as the GREATEST of all time.

>Serena is actually more dominant out of her prime than she was
>in it, which is the entire argument. She is killing players
>right now better than she did in her prime, at age where she
>shouldn't even be playing ....tells a lot about this era of
>tennis players.

reminds me of the Kuertin/Safin/Hewitt years post-Sampras, and how agassi was still making GS Finals and winning a few AU Opens. after Safin and Hewitt beat Sampras in b2b US Opens, he still came back and won one more before calling it quits.

it took till 2005 for Roger to finally close the book on that era

You're doing way too much, saying way too much to ultimately lead us back to Serena being better than Henin.

smh

@geahuwine

> smh


Yeah...at times it's better than the men's game...

What's your point?

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....