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Warren Coolidge
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"Floyd wants Canelo to come down to 147 (swipe)"


  

          

told y'all so...


7 pounds...

the difference between 154 and 147...

seems like a pretty easy problem to solve...You agree on a catch weight of 150....

I've been saying that Floyd is going to figure out a way for this fight not to happen, and last week I mentioned the weight is probably going to be what he uses, but asking Canelo to come all the way down to 147...

and that's exactly what he's doing..

If I'm Canelo, we fight at 150 or we do not fight at all. Canelo doesn't need to act desperate as he is young and has plenty of fights for him on up to middleweight eventually....He can do what Floyd is refusing to do and that is search for greatness as opposed to an easy payday

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/floyd-mayweather-wants-canelo-alvarez-fight-147-lbs-033000382.html

One of boxing's most effective legal "cheats" involves forcing your opponent to fight at a weight above or below his own comfort level.

Obviously, a fighter competing at a weight well above his natural weight will be at a decided disadvantage against someone naturally bigger and stronger.

However, more dangerous, is a smaller opponent asking his naturally larger foe to fight at an artificially small weight. Without going into a clinic on weight in boxing, a larger fighter asked to lose an unnatural amount of weight is also sacrificing energy, physical strength, and his natural recuperative powers as he dries out to make the limit.

Most recently, rumors are rampant that one of Floyd Mayweather's demands during ongoing negotiations with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez is that the 22-year-old junior middleweight champ come down to the welterweight limit in order to get the lucrative fight.

Alvarez, who now holds the WBC and WBA 154 lb. titles, last made the welterweight limit of 147 lbs. back in March of 2010 and is well-known to rehydrate up to 170 lbs. on fight night for his junior middleweight bouts.

"Floyd wants every advantage on his side," Alvarez's trainer, "Chepo" Reynoso told Boxingscene. "Among one of the things that is often being stressed is that he wants Canelo at a lower weight. Why would I make my boy sacrifice so much? We proposed an intermediate weight for things to be level for both , but he refused. Yes we want to fight, but that does not mean will get everything ."

Reynoso, of course, is absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation and in his desire to protect his fighter at all costs. Seven pounds may not seem like a lot of weight to the average person with a casual knowledge of the sport, but it's a major amount to a fighter, who is already working at the absolute lowest possible weight his body can sustain. Imagine getting down to your lowest weight, with no visible fat and everything as tight as can be-then try to cut seven pounds from that. For an athlete, what happens is that muscle mass gets cut and, with that, come all the other negative repercussions.

Unfortunately, these attempts to coerce fighters into a lower weight are not all that uncommon and they mostly take place in situations where one fighter can absolutely dictate all of the terms of a bout and the other has no choice but to follow along or lose a lucrative payday.

Mayweather arch-rival, Manny Pacquiao, has employed these weight games in the past to great success against fighters like Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Andre Ward recently destroyed light heavyweight champ, Chad Dawson, who dropped seven pounds to compete for Ward's super middleweight title.

Weight manipulation via contractual clause is a legal and effective cheat in the sport and, perhaps, one of its most dangerous practices.

Along with the loss of water weight and muscle, other bodily fluids are adversely affected by the push to lose more weight than may be healthy. Notably, fluids surrounding the brain which help absorb impact and keep the tissue healthy. A disproportionate amount of ring deaths have involved fighters who had to lose large amounts of weight in a relatively short period of time.

At 22 years of age, Canelo Alvarez could conceivably handle the weight loss with reduced chance of danger, but why should he?

For the longest time, Mayweather has spoken publicly about his desire to retire with his health intact and how he will always err on the side of safety in the ring.

Well, Alvarez should do the same and be ready and willing to walk away if the weight game continues to be part of the negotiations.

  

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lol if Canelo wants the fight he'll come down
May 14th 2013
1
only a stupid floyd hater thinks anyone has negotiation pull vs floyd
May 14th 2013
2
Basically.
May 14th 2013
5
lol floyd aint gotta compromise w/ that nigga.
May 14th 2013
3
So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward....
May 14th 2013
4
...and I see there's still no answer for this.....
May 15th 2013
77
i agree with him taking this stance Canelo came into his last fight
May 14th 2013
6
Actually it was 170
May 14th 2013
51
      172
May 14th 2013
58
this was interesting....
May 14th 2013
7
I want Cotto to be comfortable (c) floyd 2012
May 14th 2013
8
lmao damn i forgot that cotto fight was last year
May 14th 2013
9
Cotto doesn't masquerade as a welterweight coming in a
May 14th 2013
11
he knew Cotto was past his prime and damn near a shot fighter
May 14th 2013
12
so what? he want canelo at 147 and he hold the cards. DEAL!
May 14th 2013
14
the ellerbe quote:
May 14th 2013
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this is a different fighter...he don't want him comfortable
May 14th 2013
18
Why would any fighter surrender 20+ lbs????
May 14th 2013
26
      you do realize that weight disparities on fight night are pretty
May 14th 2013
36
           You do realize 150-151 was his fight night weight right?
May 15th 2013
76
147 is not a catchweight.
May 22nd 2013
249
why should floyd cater to anyone? he's the meal ticket.
May 14th 2013
59
damn that's pretty bad
May 14th 2013
16
gettin put to sleep is pretty bad
May 14th 2013
21
      you wanna go night night basa?
May 14th 2013
22
           yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out
May 14th 2013
30
                RE: yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out
May 14th 2013
34
                     who cares?
May 14th 2013
35
                          maybe you?
May 14th 2013
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                               aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye.
May 14th 2013
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                                    RE: aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye.
May 14th 2013
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                                    oh see I didn't think you could be talking about manny
May 14th 2013
41
                                    still don't know what you meant in #21. but k bye
May 14th 2013
40
Cotto earned that
May 14th 2013
19
lolol...he earned it by being past his prime and close to retirement
May 14th 2013
20
lol
May 14th 2013
24
Cotto wouldn't face Floyd at 140...played games at 147 and...
May 14th 2013
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      canelo came into his last fight at 165
May 14th 2013
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           There were other reports that said different...even so...
May 14th 2013
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let me reiterate....
May 14th 2013
10
and theres no health concerns from taking blows from someone 20+
May 14th 2013
28
for arguably the best defensive boxer of all time??? no..not so much
May 14th 2013
      lmaoo
May 14th 2013
32
      Warren staaaaaaaaahp.
May 14th 2013
33
      give it a rest. you need help
May 14th 2013
55
*LOL* wrestlers, MMA fighters cut weight all of the time.
May 16th 2013
114
Paper Champ n/m
May 14th 2013
13
Canelo's biggest threat to May is his power. It's a strategic move
May 14th 2013
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yup Ellerbee know (swipe)
May 14th 2013
44
canelo is 22. he could lose 7 pounds in a wknd.
May 14th 2013
29
exactly.. he's 22 years old.. are you kidding me? - lolololololol
May 14th 2013
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      uh
May 14th 2013
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           nga will you shut up with this stupid shit... lol
May 15th 2013
72
u settin up for when he comes down to get paid to still give no credit?
May 14th 2013
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Says another of the Captain Catchweight stans
May 14th 2013
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btw Floyd is the CURRENT 154lb WBA champion
May 14th 2013
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Floyd is the CURRENT WBC and Ring Magazine 147 Champ
May 14th 2013
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      oh the oldest belt in boxing history is a joke
May 14th 2013
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           Nigga, they have 2 champs in 8 different divisions
May 14th 2013
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                no they don't
May 14th 2013
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                     the other nigga got a belt in the same division from the same body
May 15th 2013
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Floyd has no business fighting a man 170lbs.
May 14th 2013
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Exactly!!!!
May 14th 2013
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147 or 154 isnt fair to either fighter imo. Catchweight or no fight.
May 14th 2013
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so basically Canelo is a 170 man dropping weight to beat up on smaller d...
May 14th 2013
49
why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez?
May 14th 2013
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Don't say that...cause the Floyd haters will have no response lol
May 14th 2013
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      he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone....lolol....
May 14th 2013
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           you should never misspell a word in all caps, makes you look dumb
May 14th 2013
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           dawg they rebuttal is "why ain't canelo trying fight somebody else doh"
May 14th 2013
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                someone his own size, like most fighters do
May 14th 2013
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                     lolol.....
May 14th 2013
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                          http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight
May 14th 2013
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So Floyd fans...go on the record....
May 14th 2013
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fuck that. we already know he trying to duck. the REAL question is
May 14th 2013
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they want to see him fight Canelo..and they know it.....but
May 14th 2013
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What happened to Floyd moving to 168 for Ward?
May 15th 2013
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      he should fight Ward at 160... but if he won't fight Canelo at 150...
May 15th 2013
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it wont get an answer dont bother they will just deflect to he cant win
May 15th 2013
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still waiting for y'all to go on the record...
May 15th 2013
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      ^^^^same here
May 16th 2013
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           Ortiz 2 would be a travesty....Khan is a travesty when
May 16th 2013
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That's bitchmade
May 14th 2013
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and Canelo has fought at 147 more.
May 14th 2013
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Arum should just set up Pacquiao vs Canelo at 150 and one up Floyd
May 15th 2013
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nobody wanna see pac actually DIE, dogg
May 15th 2013
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Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports
May 15th 2013
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when he accepts the challenge of fighting the best fighters in their
May 15th 2013
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best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?!
May 15th 2013
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      RE: best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?!
May 15th 2013
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           forreal..you are trying to penalize floyd for there not being any other
May 15th 2013
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                I'm penalizing him for not fighting the more challenging fights
May 15th 2013
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                     Lol riiiiight
May 15th 2013
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Zactly, kinda like Mayweather had to do to get a fight w/ De La Hoya
May 16th 2013
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RE: Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports
May 20th 2013
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All agenda's aside: Why can't they have fight-night weight limits?
May 15th 2013
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i never understood why this isnt done
May 15th 2013
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There are "rehydration clauses"..However they aren't standard...
May 15th 2013
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will never happen...imagine the amount of money lost if a guy
May 15th 2013
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it would force boxers to fight in the right weight class
May 15th 2013
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too much money at risk to have fights canceled on the night of
May 15th 2013
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There is a purse penalty attached to that. You don't remember?
May 15th 2013
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because it's hard to control rehydration?
May 15th 2013
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      If you can't be comfortable within 8 lbs of a contracted weight
May 15th 2013
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      the goal is to make weight
May 15th 2013
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      No one should be killing themselves to make weight in the 1st place
May 15th 2013
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           true...but if there are huge money fights down there at the lower
May 15th 2013
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                Dub.. I hear you but imagine if the "names" were in their rightful
May 15th 2013
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can someone explain how gaining that much weight in such a short
May 15th 2013
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They're not actually GAINING weight
May 15th 2013
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      ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 15th 2013
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           http://splicd.com/3vXGf7jhMI4/1195/1210
May 15th 2013
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#1 @ the bank.
May 15th 2013
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care to expound how that effects you?
May 16th 2013
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Don't know why Floyd would ever want to fuck with Canelo
May 15th 2013
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wat
May 16th 2013
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still waiting on the floyd fans to go on the record..
May 16th 2013
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So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward....
May 16th 2013
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      Sure...because Ward has fought every possible challenging opponet
May 16th 2013
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           LOL!!!! So Mayweather fought nothing but nobodies?!?!
May 16th 2013
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           pretty much....low risk..high payday...that's his M.O..
May 16th 2013
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                was JMM past his prime... becuz he sure fucked Manny up
May 16th 2013
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                     history will show that Floyd ducked Manny...plain and simple...
May 16th 2013
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                          was JMM past his prime...
May 16th 2013
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                          so that means it's ok for Floyd to fight dudes past their primes
May 16th 2013
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                               No, I'm talking about Floyd.. yes or no was JMM past his prime
May 16th 2013
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                          Why would he want to fight him coming off of a loss?
May 16th 2013
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           So what you're saying is Ward *deserved* requested concessions??!?
May 16th 2013
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                in Dawson's case..it was worth the concession....
May 16th 2013
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                     Who do you know on Ward's ledger other than these 5 names?
May 16th 2013
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                     those were the best guys out there for him to fight...
May 16th 2013
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                          Fighters that adhered to tournament rules...
May 16th 2013
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                     since its a pattern (in your deluded mind), that makes it different?
May 16th 2013
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LOL! Per Jeff Mayweather:
May 16th 2013
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nor should anyone be able to...he's the best fighter AND biggest draw
May 16th 2013
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Interesting. Either way I don't think 154 works vs. Cenolo. I like 150
May 16th 2013
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those pleas only work to justify ducking Canelo.....even though
May 16th 2013
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      you are going great lengths to talk about cats who would lose anyway
May 16th 2013
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      The champ gets what he wants. --->PERIOD<---
May 16th 2013
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      nigga wants floyd mayweather to accept fighting at major disadvantages
May 16th 2013
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      they both have belts at 154....that's not a major disadvantage...
May 16th 2013
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           It's a major disadvantage for a guy who's never cracked 154lbs...
May 16th 2013
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                man i quit after his plea cop about health concerns for canelo
May 16th 2013
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                I'm saying... An invitation to 147 is simply saying:
May 16th 2013
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                He's got a belt at 154..... and dude..you are avoiding that quote
May 16th 2013
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                     How many times did Roy Jones Jr defend his heavyweight strap?
May 16th 2013
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                          ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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                          if there were more belt holders closer to Ruiz size and skill level
May 16th 2013
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                          lol @ this bullshit
May 22nd 2013
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                          Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!
May 16th 2013
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      see...here is your problem though....
May 16th 2013
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           See... You got shit twisted fam... That's your problem....
May 16th 2013
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      this is where i'm at
May 16th 2013
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      it dont matter... he negotiates how he wants...now if canelo says
May 16th 2013
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           ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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           oh of course. up and unto making impossible conditions
May 16th 2013
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           what impossible conditions nigga?
May 22nd 2013
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           Absolutely agree. They both have a right of refusal.
May 16th 2013
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                hahahahaha very well put..i love it
May 22nd 2013
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      How is it a duck? If he wants the fight he will agree to the weight.
May 16th 2013
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           but but but he fought at 154 last year so now he always has to
May 16th 2013
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                No one was angry at Oscar when fighters were met with his terms
May 16th 2013
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                     or manny for fighting at catch weights that always favored him
May 16th 2013
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why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez? - Al Bundy
May 16th 2013
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he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone...but trust me...
May 16th 2013
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so have u completley abandoned ur manny bandwagon for canelo?
May 16th 2013
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I'm not on anyone's bandwaggon...it just seems so because
May 16th 2013
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LOL..
May 16th 2013
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why would you be convinced a fight with Canelo and ward wouldn't
May 16th 2013
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      Ward has designs on 175 and maybe higher...
May 16th 2013
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           fighting Canelo at 168 in 2 years or less is the biggest fight
May 16th 2013
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                Ward has just come off of a surgery and has made weight for yrs
May 16th 2013
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                     if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it
May 16th 2013
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                          RE: if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it
May 16th 2013
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                               aren't you buying the claim Canelo weighed 170 on fight night?
May 16th 2013
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                                    It's not a claim.
May 16th 2013
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                                         Weight matters a lot less than you think...
May 17th 2013
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                                              That assumption is ridiculous and asinine
May 17th 2013
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                                              This is logical:
May 17th 2013
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he has said he wants to fight the best
May 16th 2013
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he and his camp would look foolish calling out those guys now
May 16th 2013
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http://splicd.com/rxbMyKNQ1VU/254/287
May 17th 2013
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do they fight for golden boy promotions?
May 16th 2013
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      Floyd is calling out Amir Khan...lololol..
May 16th 2013
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      So....Is HBO and Bob Arum the answer?????
May 16th 2013
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      willingly dumb is repeatedly saying floyd ducked manny
May 16th 2013
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      ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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      he did duck Manny and he's still ducking...Is he talking to Manny now?
May 16th 2013
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      To your points:
May 16th 2013
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a couple things here
May 16th 2013
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So astute. Co-signs
May 16th 2013
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HEY!!! Let's revisit Billy Conn vs. Joe Louis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
May 16th 2013
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i dont see canelo not taking this fight if weight is the only hurdle
May 16th 2013
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Manny was never #1
May 16th 2013
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it's not a catchweight. fuck lol
May 17th 2013
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GOTDAMN I CANNOT TAKE THIS SHIT!
May 16th 2013
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who did floyd fight at a catchweight?
May 16th 2013
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your moms
May 16th 2013
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difference is Manny abused the fuk out of the catchweight system
May 16th 2013
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I've always said that weight matters
May 16th 2013
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^^^^^^^ SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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knock knock? who's there? manny got fucked up.
May 16th 2013
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      What a lame duck joke
May 17th 2013
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Exactly..... the pro-Floyd side is standing on shaky ground
May 16th 2013
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Is that a Narbonne ring with the G in it?
May 16th 2013
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      those are 3 Narbonne rings.....'08, '11, '12
May 16th 2013
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           didnt understand the G
May 16th 2013
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                The G is important to us.... our stadium is the G-House...
May 17th 2013
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they lost all credibility wit that
May 16th 2013
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pretty much
May 16th 2013
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you know manny got fucked up, right?
May 16th 2013
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Yes we do
May 16th 2013
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yeah and it could have been by floyd
May 17th 2013
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yea its kinda like manny fans all of a sudden pro drug testing..
May 16th 2013
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manny got knocked out. floyd didn't. he the draw. he make the rules.
May 16th 2013
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its that simple.
May 16th 2013
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      lol no its fuckin not.
May 16th 2013
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Wasn't that mostly in response to people calling Floyd out for ducking?
May 16th 2013
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Nah, Shawn. Can't let you fuss about this
May 18th 2013
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Floyd stans have now become exactly like Manny stans were
May 17th 2013
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and what happened to Manny stans????
May 17th 2013
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floyd ain't get knocked out and has no losses
May 17th 2013
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im not a manny fan so that means nothing to me
May 17th 2013
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Manny:Iverson - Canelo:LeBron
May 17th 2013
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WHERE IS THE SOURCE?
May 17th 2013
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uh did you even try to google?
May 17th 2013
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      No, you're right, I didn't search
May 17th 2013
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           RE: No, you're right, I didn't search
May 17th 2013
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                I think it's mostly just to get people talking about Floyd
May 17th 2013
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ok so besides being punched in the head, everybody dehydrates to make we...
May 17th 2013
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Floyd needs to fight Canelo at 154 (c) Oscar (swipe)
May 20th 2013
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lol
May 21st 2013
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Bwahahaha. So basically Canelo is scared to fight middleweights
May 21st 2013
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Oscar sounding really dumb.
May 21st 2013
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Meanwhile WC is trying to convince me that Canelo wants Ward...
May 21st 2013
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i think it's obvious the only reason why he's still at 154 is because
May 21st 2013
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Sorry SouthStinkyMan, Oscar De La Hoya just RUINED your agenda.
May 21st 2013
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cut it out, this is no place for logic or reason
May 21st 2013
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im a card carrying objective Floyd critic..but this is bs
May 21st 2013
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As if Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. isn't SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
May 21st 2013
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hold up...chasing welterweights???
May 21st 2013
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Nah...Canelo is ducking...scared to fight guys his own size...he shook
May 22nd 2013
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Canelo weighed 167lbs on fight night against Shane Mosley
May 22nd 2013
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what division yall think he should fight in is irrelevant
May 21st 2013
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lol...man...EVERY other fighter who could do this...has done it
May 21st 2013
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      You do realize Floyd can make 140....135 even
May 22nd 2013
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           you do realize there are no fights for him at 140 or 135....
May 22nd 2013
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                Canelo has JCC Jr waiting at 160 but is scared..bwahaha
May 22nd 2013
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                     he won't do it because he has other shit to do first....
May 22nd 2013
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                          *record scratch* Floyd was a S. FEATHERWEIGHT in 1999
May 22nd 2013
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                               Canelo trying to get the maximum payday
May 22nd 2013
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                                    Well....no fucking shit. That's not the point, though.
May 22nd 2013
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                                         if the backlash is unfair...
May 22nd 2013
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                                              Yeah, you're diverting attention from Canelo being scared.
May 22nd 2013
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                                                   no..YOU are diverting attention away from Floyd ducking challenges.
May 22nd 2013
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                                                        Hatton was only at the end
May 22nd 2013
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                                                        if you've fought more than 40 fights....and a particular fight
May 22nd 2013
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                                                             LMAO!!! It was at the END BECAUSE FLOYD ENDED HIS CAREER!! LMAO!!!!
May 22nd 2013
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                                                                  Hatton was already showing signs of being punchy and shot
May 22nd 2013
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                                                                       That is an outright lie. You Sir are lying. No one thought that.
May 23rd 2013
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                                                                            you may now refer to my sig....hahaha thats cold
May 23rd 2013
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                                                        You do know Floyd challenged Mosley at 135lbs right?!?!.....
May 23rd 2013
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Glad you're on board. To your points:
May 21st 2013
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he's headed to middleweight...he's 22 years old.... why rush to middle
May 21st 2013
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      Nah, he shook....he can't drain to 152...bwahaha he SCARED
May 22nd 2013
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           you honestly sound riddiculous.... you saying a 22 year old kid
May 22nd 2013
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                there's absolutely zero reason for canelo to move to MW right now
May 22nd 2013
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                ,
May 22nd 2013
                gotdamb thats one helluva 180 LOL
May 22nd 2013
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                     Yeah these niggas got COMPLETELY thrown off their course
May 22nd 2013
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                     he just unified 154 & comes into fights @ 170
May 22nd 2013
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                          Canelo's people ain't ignoring Chavez Jr. and Martinez...
May 22nd 2013
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                               Yeah....Canelo has to challenge former super featherweights
May 22nd 2013
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                               You do know that Canelo also fought Josesito Lopez right?!?...
May 23rd 2013
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Danny Garcia - Floyd is a WW - he's not a 154 pound fighter
May 22nd 2013
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(Link) re:The weight issue Mayweather vs Alvarez
May 22nd 2013
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is that you? lol
May 22nd 2013
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      Nah B... Not even close... but son is real rational with his...
May 22nd 2013
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           i'm assuming that dwyer since you agree with him lol
May 22nd 2013
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           LOL. Dude will admit when he's wrong but usually he's right...
May 23rd 2013
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                hahahaha
May 23rd 2013
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           I was just kidding, and I agree 100% with him...
May 22nd 2013
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Sept 15th.....
Sep 15th 2013
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RE: Sept 15th..... (Fucking BRILLIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Sep 16th 2013
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Good lord.....hahahaah Wow
Sep 16th 2013
283
This Is Some Stupendous Uppage
Sep 16th 2013
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haha, i forgot about that
Sep 16th 2013
285
One Mo Gin' .......Canelo is a liar.
Sep 16th 2013
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1. "lol if Canelo wants the fight he'll come down"
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dont see what the big deal is

Floyd is the p4p undefeated champ

what he look like giving into any demands Canelo might have?

Floyd had to give into Oscars demands and move up

Canelo goin to have to do the same and move down

that simple
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2. "only a stupid floyd hater thinks anyone has negotiation pull vs floyd"
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5. "Basically."
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3. "lol floyd aint gotta compromise w/ that nigga."
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floyd aint gotta compromise w/ NOBODY. if they want it they'll come to him.

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4. "So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward...."
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...but this isn't ok?!?


The weight disparity between Dawson and Ward is neglible in comparison.

Highest weight on fight night for Mayweather: 150 & 151 lbs against De La Hoya and Cotto respectively

Canelo's last fight against Austin Trout....both fighters entered the ring over the Super Middleweight limit...

Both fighters were north of 170lbs...for a fight contracted at 154 lbs....


*Ed Lover comment here*

  

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77. "...and I see there's still no answer for this....."
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>RE: So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward....
>
>...but this isn't ok?!?
>
>
>The weight disparity between Dawson and Ward is neglible in
>comparison.
>
>Highest weight on fight night for Mayweather: 150 & 151 lbs
>against De La Hoya and Cotto respectively
>
>Canelo's last fight against Austin Trout....both fighters
>entered the ring over the Super Middleweight limit...
>
>Both fighters were north of 170lbs...for a fight contracted at
>154 lbs....
>
>
>*Ed Lover comment here*

^^^Andre Ward (the bigger draw) can ask Chad Dawson (Champion at a higher weight class)to meet him in his weight class....

....and he's respected for that...

Whay is that not a problem when Ward does it based on the rantings of the anti-Mayweather faction but it's a problem for Mayweather to ask the same???!??

*Cue the 900 number*


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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6. "i agree with him taking this stance Canelo came into his last fight "
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at 165 dog

  

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51. "Actually it was 170"
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58. "172"
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but who's counting?

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7. "this was interesting...."
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>Mayweather arch-rival, Manny Pacquiao, has employed these
>weight games in the past to great success against fighters
>like Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.

>
>Weight manipulation via contractual clause is a legal and
>effective cheat in the sport and, perhaps, one of its most
>dangerous practices.
>

  

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8. "I want Cotto to be comfortable (c) floyd 2012 "
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http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2012/02/floyd_mayweather_wanted_miguel.html

That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."



bwhahahahah the nigga just fought at 154 LAST YEAR
lol @ the default dusty neck nigga squad in here defending the duck like well trained monkeys
i guess miguel cotto in 2012 was a bigger draw than a mexican who sells out 40K stadiums?
not a damn soul was asking for that cotto fight ....WE ALL want the canelo fight
"who is canelo to make demands of floyd" (c) dumb niggas
of course floyd would never do that...oops
"If he wants my title, he has to fight in my weight," Cotto said
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/chris_mannix/05/02/miguel.cotto.floyd.mayweather/index.html

lol plea cops don't even make fucking sense bwhahahahha
where black adam ass at?
nigga was guaranteeing a canelo fight not even a week ago and now he plea copping and spinning why floyd don't have to fight him
shit is so predictable, it's funny tho

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9. "lmao damn i forgot that cotto fight was last year "
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fuck my og reply then LOL
this post is etherous






  

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11. "Cotto doesn't masquerade as a welterweight coming in a "
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light heavyweight.

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12. "he knew Cotto was past his prime and damn near a shot fighter"
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he's not doing that with Canelo cuz he don't fit that criteria..

Floyd knows what he's doing...can't believe people are falling for this.

  

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14. "so what? he want canelo at 147 and he hold the cards. DEAL!"
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15. "the ellerbe quote:"
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That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."

  

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18. "this is a different fighter...he don't want him comfortable"
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especially not when he coming in at 170. FOH!

why floyd-haters think it's REASONABLE for him to give his opponents optimal conditions to beat his ass? who thinks like this?

you people are INSANE.

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26. "Why would any fighter surrender 20+ lbs????"
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Mayweather enters pro boxing at 130lbs. Struggled twice to make 150-151 lbs for two fights at 154lbs

Alvarez enters pro boxing at 154lbs. Just recently walked in the ring with a man weighing north of 170lbs...


What the fuck are these cats talking about?


So... there's no difference here??!? LOL!!


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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36. "you do realize that weight disparities on fight night are pretty"
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regular....

you're acting like this is something that only floyd mayweather has had to deal with...

  

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76. "You do realize 150-151 was his fight night weight right?"
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What don't you understand about a guy *STRUGGLING TO PUT ON WEIGHT*????!!??


Meaning he can *BARELY* make it up to 154....


Meanwhile....across the ring...for all intents and purposes is a Super Middleweight...


LOL!!!!

  

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249. "147 is not a catchweight."
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59. "why should floyd cater to anyone? he's the meal ticket."
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16. "damn that's pretty bad"
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21. "gettin put to sleep is pretty bad"
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____________________________________________________


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22. "you wanna go night night basa?"
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30. "yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out"
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34. "RE: yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out"
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why your grammar all fucked up then

talkin bout not when get knocked out nope durp

  

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35. "who cares?"
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____________________________________________________


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37. "maybe you?"
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38. "aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye."
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39. "RE: aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye."
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manny (noun) was (verb) destroyed (adj.).

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41. "oh see I didn't think you could be talking about manny "
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only pacistan brings up mayweather in pacman posts, not the other way around ©

  

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40. "still don't know what you meant in #21. but k bye"
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19. "Cotto earned that"
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Canelo going to have to earn it just like everybody else had to

he hasnt done ish to earn the cashcow spot other than be mexican

he has no resume to make no demands to floyd period

be mad and wrong

hes a rising star

but he needs that fight just as much as floyd

floyd is the long time nemesis to mexican fighters

u think his fans aint goin to be demanding he go after floyd?

and since hes too pussy to move up and fight at his natural weight

this is what hes goin to have to do

shrug

yes being the champ comes with perks

this is one of em

stay mad


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20. "lolol...he earned it by being past his prime and close to retirement"
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24. "lol"
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23. "Cotto wouldn't face Floyd at 140...played games at 147 and..."
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at 154 the fight is perfect...

...a "no excuses fight" if you will...for a fighter that entered his professional career at 140 lbs and struggled to make weight his entire career...


Saul Alvarez entered his professional career at Light Middleweight and entered the ring during his last fight north of 170 lbs for a fight contracted at 154 lbs


Floyd Mayweather entered his professional career at 130 lbs and struggled to make 150 lbs for TWO 154 lb contracted bouts...



What the fuck don't you understand here???


Are you asking him to surrender 20+ lbs????


You must be out of your fucking mind.



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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25. "canelo came into his last fight at 165"
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27. "There were other reports that said different...even so..."
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...that's arguably flirting with Super Middle...Light Heavy...


There is a disparity. There is a clear difference.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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10. "let me reiterate...."
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I completely understand that Floyd is not in a position where he has to compromise....even if we're talking about him moving up basiclly 3 pounds to 150.... even though that seems more than reasonable... He has all the leverage in the world....

but that's not my point..

my point is that Floyd's priority isn't to fight the best fighters out there....His priority isn't to be in the tradition of other great champions who relished the CHALLENGE of fighting other great champions in their prime under circumstances that allowed for the best possible fight..

That??

Floyd ain't about that...

He just isn't...

and to be financially successful and popular ..he doesn't have to be..

and again...that's fine...

but I'm not going to rank him among the best ever unless and until he does what I mentioned above...until he takes a Champions priorities...

it may be much for me to expect Floyd to challenge Canelo to a fight at 150 at the Stadium in Mexico City.....that would be great..and would show more cahunas than him holding his stacks of money or putting tips on his baby mother...but still..it would be too much to expect...

What's not too much to expect would be for him to fight the guy at 150 and give Canelo a slightly lesser cut for those 3 pounds....That's not unrealistic at all..but still..it's contrary to Floyd's priorities.


and if I'm Canelo...I don't go down to 147.....it's 150 or no fight. the drastic up and down weight loss is dangerous...it puts fighters at risk of brain damage because of hydration issues...it's simply not worth it...plus....there are plenty of great classic fights out ther for Canelo in the years to come...He'll be more than straight...

oh..

shhh....

don't tell anyone...but you realize that even if Canelo came in the ring on fight night at 165 against Floyd.....Floyd would still win the fight....probably pretty easy.

**shrug**

not really sure what the problem is...

  

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28. "and theres no health concerns from taking blows from someone 20+"
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lbs heavier?

funny how ur health concerns are one-sided.


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"for arguably the best defensive boxer of all time??? no..not so much"


  

          

  

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32. "lmaoo"
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33. "Warren staaaaaaaaahp."
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55. "give it a rest. you need help"
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114. "*LOL* wrestlers, MMA fighters cut weight all of the time."
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way more drastic than virtually any boxer.

Yes, if you cut too much too soon the body can shut down. But if done right, Alvarez's body isn't going to shut down by losing 7 more pounds, unless his training weight is 180 or something like that.

That's not saying I agree with Floyd. Alvarez shouldn't have to go down in weight. And ridiculousness like this is why I knew the Pacquiao fight wasn't going to happen.
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13. "Paper Champ n/m"
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17. "Canelo's biggest threat to May is his power. It's a strategic move"
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to optimize May's advantage of speed while softening Canelo's power

  

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44. "yup Ellerbee know (swipe)"
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Cotto also fought at a 145-pound catchweight in his 2009 loss to Manny Pacquiao, his lightest weight in more than three years at the time that bout occurred. He has fought in the 154-pound division since then.

"He was a dead man walking when he went into the ring," Ellerbe said. "The casual fan doesn't know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight. Fighters know."

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29. "canelo is 22. he could lose 7 pounds in a wknd."
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for this massive ass payday? its a no brainer


do or die

  

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31. "exactly.. he's 22 years old.. are you kidding me? - lolololololol"
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47. "uh"
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him being 22 means he most likely can't get any lighter than 154
he's in his physical prime and ain't been at 147 in over 3 yrs
nevermind the fact niggas on your side are all up and down this thread talking he walks in at 170 (links?)
if that's true he's ALREADY killing himself to make 154
that's probably why his stamina has been suspect late in fights
yall niggas panicking so bad over floyd ducking another one yall ain't even logically syncing the plea cops up
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72. "nga will you shut up with this stupid shit... lol"
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He's 22.. He can lose that weight if he farts all night..

  

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42. "u settin up for when he comes down to get paid to still give no credit?"
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that's how it looks to me.

  

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43. "Says another of the Captain Catchweight stans"
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MAN, Pacistan must be SCARED STIFF of this Rios fight, especially after Floyd dismantled Guerrero.

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45. "btw Floyd is the CURRENT 154lb WBA champion "
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions#Super_welterweight.2C_Junior_middleweight_.28154_lb.2C_69.9_kg.29

lol
154lb champ don't want to fight at 154 no more
schaefer name dropping khan, danny garcia, and marcos maidana tho hmmm.....

yea this is pretty bad
is he going to abandon that 154lb belt?
guess so huh
hopefully this is just a bluff move. i don't see how showtime or GBP will allow him to duck canelo
it's one thing to duck someone under a different promoter, especially when ur current promoter hates them
32 mil guaranteed + ppv cut for 1 million buys? thats a net loss for Showtime
the sports division CEO was talking up canelo soon as the numbers went public...they WANT him to fight canelo
hopefully the public/corporate pressure of his 2nd major duck is too much and he has to take the fight

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52. "Floyd is the CURRENT WBC and Ring Magazine 147 Champ"
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The WBA is a fucking joke. Both Floyd and Canelo are CURRENT WBA champs at 154.

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53. "oh the oldest belt in boxing history is a joke "
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but you repping the "ring magazine" belt?
ring magazine owned by GBP?
bwhahahahahah nigga FOH
that WBA was important enough for floyd to move up and get it
time for that fuckboy to ABANDON that belt
throw it in the trash like riddick bowe if u scared
bwhahahahaha

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54. "Nigga, they have 2 champs in 8 different divisions"
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it's a joke. Regardless of ownership, Ring is transparent in its methodology, and most analysts consider the Ring Magazine champion the real champ.

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62. "no they don't"
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> and most analysts consider the Ring Magazine
>champion the real champ.

first of all...what "analysts"? it's boxing lol
ESPN ain't dedicating no resources to that shit
so u got the 3 dudes on hbo, the 3 dudes on showtime and the 2 fat white dudes on yahoo
and none of them could tell u who has what belt without looking the shit up on wikipedia
fact of the matter is floyd got a 154lb belt right now that he felt the need to willingly move up and win
and he bout to abandon the shit cause he spooked out of the weight class now
you can try to minimize the significance of the belt in order to downplay the fact floyd bout to be ghost out that division and leave that belt with cobwebs on it

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73. "the other nigga got a belt in the same division from the same body"
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that, my friend, is a joke.

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46. "Floyd has no business fighting a man 170lbs. "
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50. "Exactly!!!!"
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Straight up comedy how this was a non issue while Pac MADE HIS NAME off of Arum forcing catch weights on opponents. The Floyd hate got y'all crazy.

This is nothing but strategy on Floyd's part, it's just like a first offer in business, He's cool with 150 he just knows to get 150 where he has to START the bidding at.

Y'all haters need to step back and just BREATHE lol. Ya boy just came around on the drug testing. What is it about L's that you like so much?

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48. "147 or 154 isnt fair to either fighter imo. Catchweight or no fight."
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49. "so basically Canelo is a 170 man dropping weight to beat up on smaller d..."
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and no one checks him on that?

You want Floyd who didn't make Cotto drop to 145 like Manny made when he beat him


correct me if I am wrong?


and Cotto got his 154 fight because he came to all terms Floyd wanted when Manny backed out of that 40 million offer to fight...


Floyd doesn't have to give Canelo any advantages, why should he?


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56. "why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez?"
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hmmm

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57. "Don't say that...cause the Floyd haters will have no response lol "
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60. "he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone....lolol...."
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either Floyd wants to make the fight at 150 or he doesn't...

if not...Canelo got plenty of money fights out there ......he could fight Ward eventually..... a young Keith Thurman will be ready for prime time in a couple of years..

lots of big time COMPETITIVE fights against challenging opponents..

  

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63. "you should never misspell a word in all caps, makes you look dumb"
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>either Floyd wants to make the fight at 150 or he doesn't...
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>if not...he got plenty of money fights out there ......he
>could fight Ward eventually..... a young Keith Thurman will be
>ready for prime time in a couple of years..
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>lots of big time COMPETATIVE fights against challenging
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64. "dawg they rebuttal is "why ain't canelo trying fight somebody else doh""
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wtf
lmao
floyd stans be just as spooked as floyd now
my goodness

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68. "someone his own size, like most fighters do"
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i wasnt aware that was a foreign concept.

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70. "lolol....."
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http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-middleweight

  

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71. "http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight"
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mad? mad.

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61. "So Floyd fans...go on the record...."
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I say this fight isn't going to happen because Floyd won't agree to fight at 150...

a couple people on here have said Floyd is going to agree to 150...

So if he doesn't....does that mean he's ducking Canelo???

  

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65. "fuck that. we already know he trying to duck. the REAL question is"
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who do THEY want to see floyd fight
who is the #1 opponent they want to see their favorite fighter fight from 140 on up to 154?
*crickets*
niggas can't tell the truth and say the logical fighter(s) cause they know their idol is probably going to hand pick someone NONE of them want to see
and then they'd have to admit that floyd takes the path of least resistance and gives them inferior fights for $69.99

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66. "they want to see him fight Canelo..and they know it.....but "
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they are affraid to finally call floyd on this bullshit

there aren't any other fights out there that Floyd should even be considering beyond Pac and Alvarez...

any other fight he is negotiating or even thinking about taking is him coming up short...again unless he is going to move up, which obviously he not doing..

He don't want to fight the smaller Nigga....he don't want to fight the Bigger Nigga.....

which Nigga he want to fight then????

lol...

ain't but 2...the smaller ones...or the bigger ones..... He's figuring out a way to duck both..one with roid allegations, the other over 7 fukkin pounds and a fight night weight...lol.

this shit is a joke man...


  

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74. "What happened to Floyd moving to 168 for Ward? "
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How about he do that?

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87. "he should fight Ward at 160... but if he won't fight Canelo at 150..."
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then obviously he's not about that great champions life...

  

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75. "it wont get an answer dont bother they will just deflect to he cant win"
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>who do THEY want to see floyd fight
>who is the #1 opponent they want to see their favorite fighter
>fight from 140 on up to 154?

The shit is BLATANTLY obvious who the fuck he should fight next
NO DEBATIN

Table is set
there is LITERALLY no other fight to be made this side of Pacman and we seen how that played out.

Floyd is going to be firm on his 147 shit
Canelo will eventually agree

then he will say he isnt a big enough draw and all roads lead through him

Money teamers in oks will repeat this and convince themselves saul isnt on floyd's level

then he will fight victor ortiz again and dominate him

#moneyteam will say see he is the goat

canelo's name will again pop up

Floyd will say he isnt a big enough draw

Money teamers in oks will repeat this and convince themselves saul isnt on floyd's level

he will then fight Ahmir Khan and domniate him

rinse wash repeat ....









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80. "still waiting for y'all to go on the record..."
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111. "^^^^same here "
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its because they are trying to figure out how they will justify Mayweather/Ortiz 2

  

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113. "Ortiz 2 would be a travesty....Khan is a travesty when "
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Canelo and Manny are there to fight...

it's turning into a joke really....

  

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67. "That's bitchmade"
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It was bitchmade when Pac did it and it's bitchmade when Floyd does it. Especially since he got a 154 lb title and has fought there in the past. And I know Alvarez is the bigger man, yada fuckin yada. Floyd will still whoop his ass if they did a 150 catch-weight. They need to get some grown-ups in these negotiations.

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69. "and Canelo has fought at 147 more."
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he's ducking floyd if he doesnt go down.

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78. "Arum should just set up Pacquiao vs Canelo at 150 and one up Floyd "
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But he won't...


Why?


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79. "nobody wanna see pac actually DIE, dogg"
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81. "Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports"
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next to anti-lebron agendas.

Niggas pursue the best. The best don't pursue niggas. Kings dont come off thrones to kill anybody.

what kind of fucking tard are you to think floyd should bend in any manner for some up and coming mother fuckers...

Even then, let's just say...for the sake of the discussion...he fights canelo and/or pac and loses to them...he still has had a better career than pac and most likely canelo...

who do you consider the greatest or all time greats? They all got Ls on their resume..and all of them aint necessarily to other all time either.

So get off his dick. You are on some clown shit.

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86. "when he accepts the challenge of fighting the best fighters in their"
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primes and stops making excuses..I'll give him his props..

when he avoids doing so, Ima call him on it...


it's that simple..

I'll let y'all cop pleas for him and buy these bs excuses...

first the small guy is on roids.....now the big guy is too big (even though they both have belts at 154...go figure)

if you all want to buy that non-sense...g'head.... you look like fools..Ima just tell you that.....lol.

  

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93. "best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?! "
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96. "RE: best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?! "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2170415&mesg_id=2170415&listing_type=search#2175430

  

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100. "forreal..you are trying to penalize floyd for there not being any other"
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all time great fighters in his prime era.

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102. "I'm penalizing him for not fighting the more challenging fights"
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for making excuses to not make those fights..

There are challenging fights for him...ALL the fights i listed in that other post are fights Floyd would be favored..if not heavily favored..

he's taken the easy way out and will continue to do so as long as there is no backlash financially...

  

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109. "Zactly, kinda like Mayweather had to do to get a fight w/ De La Hoya"
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226. "RE: Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports"
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i've probably got him beat.

www.pacifictrainingcenter.com


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82. "All agenda's aside: Why can't they have fight-night weight limits?"
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something like no more than 7 lbs above the contracted weight? It's absurd to have dudes walking into the ring at light-heavyweight for 154 fights.

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83. "i never understood why this isnt done"
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shits dangerous

  

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84. "There are "rehydration clauses"..However they aren't standard..."
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This is something that has to be asked for and negotiated.

I am in agreement with you and have said for several years on these boards that this is something that should be standard practice.

Implementing this also forces fighters to "accept" and adhere to a true weight class.

You should be penalized if you tip the scales in another weight class.

It makes no conceivable sense to make contract weight and come in the next day 7-17 lbs heavier..

While cutting weight can take a toll on your body...it is more telling when exorbitant rehydration occurs. It says one of two things and sometimes alludes to both:

1.) That you clearly don't belong in the weight class

2.) That you are not in optimal shape

How is it that a guy can gain so much weight in a day and fade in a fight that same evening and conditioning is always touted as the main culprit.

No one bothers to assess that this fighter has been busting his ass to make weight and dry out and has subsequently shocked his body with nourishment that his body was desperate for..

Does that sound like someone that belongs in their weight class in the first place???

  

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85. "will never happen...imagine the amount of money lost if a guy"
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doesn't make weight on fight night...and you'd have riots in arenas.

  

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88. "it would force boxers to fight in the right weight class"
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and we wouldn't have that problem. If you're re-hydrading 10 lbs, you're in the wrong division.

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89. "too much money at risk to have fights canceled on the night of"
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the fight....

it's just not happening..

if you put on 10 pounds of water after the weigh in..your weight advantage is cancelled out by the fatigue that happens from dehydrating..and then rehydrating....plus the risk of brain damage doing so brings......

I mean how old is B. Hop now....he's fighting at light heavy and he's 46 ....I'm sure he's outweighed on fight night in that division by at least 10 pounds and more on the regular...and at his age he's still handling his business, and very rarely even getting hit by those so-called bigger guys...

  

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90. "There is a purse penalty attached to that. You don't remember?"
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The point is to enforce the weight contract and assess punitive measures after.

Half the battle is won by making weight.

Fight night you can asses penalties in increments but make the increments steep enough to truly be punitive.

For example Contract weight 147lbs. Fight night clause 5 lbs

- Make weight for the contract (Official Weigh in)

- Fight night weight must be 152 and under

- Each fighter 152 or under....no penalty assessed

- Penalty 20% for each pound over

- If fighters are within a lb of each other...no penalty assessed

At it's most basic this will help the fight game. Clearly it will be more intricate than that but that is the basic premise.

...and it will help.

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91. "because it's hard to control rehydration?"
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because you want fighters to be physically comfortable in order to perform at a high level?
the only fighter that regularly walked into the ring UNDER the weight limit was manny as far as i know
everyone else rehydrates back up a couple pounds
and i don't see how it's possible to effectively "rehydrate" while simultaneously placing a limit on it

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92. "If you can't be comfortable within 8 lbs of a contracted weight"
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you don't belong there. Again, you don't have to cancel fights, just assess strict penalties.

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95. "the goal is to make weight"
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weigh ins are the day before a fight
in the amateurs it's sometimes the WEEK before a fight or tourney to put things into perspective
already explained why it's not medically safe to require ppl to put limits on rehydration
if floyd is that scared of dude coming in the ring bigger than he can simply refuse to fight him. his stans will still support
no need to try to change boxing tradition just because he doesn't want to fight canelo

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94. "No one should be killing themselves to make weight in the 1st place"
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"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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97. "true...but if there are huge money fights down there at the lower"
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weight... and no good fights at the higher weight..it's hard to turn down those paydays...

  

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101. "Dub.. I hear you but imagine if the "names" were in their rightful"
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places...

There is enough money to go around but we've seen just how the balance of monetary gain can shift.


A rehydration clause ain't hard to do. Did you see my basic outline?

-5lbs allowed on fight night

-fighter weighing the same or within a lb of each other it is considered the same weight. If a fighter is 153 but within a lb of his opponent...no 20% penalty

-20% purse penalty per 1lb over

-Fighters considered even if they weigh in the same or are within a pound of each other

So for a 147lb fight:

Fight night weigh in is 152 or under

1.) Weigh both fighters

-if they are 152 and under... Fight on

-if they are the same weight regardless the number... Fight on

-if they are within a lb of each other... Fight on


2.) Weight disparity...refer to above


If you belong in a weight class and are in shape you won't need to dry out like some fighters do nor will you put back exorbitant amounts of water/weight.

Guys that rehydrate excessively and put on a lot of weight have put their bodies in distress. That practice is dangerous itself.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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98. "can someone explain how gaining that much weight in such a short"
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doesn't affect you negatively? i never understood how fighters could gain so much in so little time and not be bothered.

  

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99. "They're not actually GAINING weight"
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They dehydrate themselves to death, then rehydrate back to normal.

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104. "^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^"
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105. "http://splicd.com/3vXGf7jhMI4/1195/1210"
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http://splicd.com/3vXGf7jhMI4/1195/1210

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106. "#1 @ the bank. "
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Don't think Floyd cares aslong a s #1 at the bank, and of course yall niggasmad.

  

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108. "care to expound how that effects you? "
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107. "Don't know why Floyd would ever want to fuck with Canelo"
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He's the best fighter out there for him to fight, but he's not that big of a name to the casual fan that it's worth the real risk of a possible loss when he could get almost the same bank fighting someone else that won't beat him.

He don't want it with Saul.

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110. "wat"
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> but he's
>not that big of a name to the casual fan


canelo is unequivocally the 3rd biggest name in boxing right now
and he has the most important demographic (mexicans) on LOCK
not even worth arguing over
check out deportes or some other male oriented mexican channel, a canelo commerical comes on damn near every break

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112. "still waiting on the floyd fans to go on the record.."
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y'all got a lot to say in this post..

let's bottom line this so that we can refer back to it for future reference...


If Floyd does not agree to fight at 150....sticks hard to the 147....Will you say that Floyd is ducking Canelo??

it's really a simple question...

a few have said they believe he will agree to 150....I don't believe he will.

So make your opinons known....on the record with Warren Coolidge Van Sustren...lol.

  

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116. "So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward...."
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You still respect Ward and Dawson?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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118. "Sure...because Ward has fought every possible challenging opponet"
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up to now.... There's a big fight out there for him?? He goes and tries to make it happen...

that's what a champ is supposed to do instead of making excuses NOT to make those fights...

  

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121. "LOL!!!! So Mayweather fought nothing but nobodies?!?! "
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*cue Ed Lover*


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124. "pretty much....low risk..high payday...that's his M.O.."
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and again...that's fine if that works for him....the problem is that to me you cannot sit at the table with other great champions of those type of weight classes if they made a habit of taking higher risks.

Floyd's recent opponents have can either be characterized by name fighters who are past their primes....Hatton....Mosely...Oscar...etc.

or younger guys who are relatively popular....have a belt....but lack real punching power....ie Ortiz and Guerrero....

Fighters like Manny...and now Canelo do not fit that criteria...so he comes up with ways to avoid fighting them.

  

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129. "was JMM past his prime... becuz he sure fucked Manny up"
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132. "history will show that Floyd ducked Manny...plain and simple..."
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however many fights Manny lost before or since....that's what history will show....

it makes it worse when people claiming that Manny losing to other people is a victory for Floyd.... it waters down Floyd's legacy, and makes him look like a lesser champ who ducked, then claimed a victory fought by someone else..

it's soft.....

  

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134. "was JMM past his prime..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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135. "so that means it's ok for Floyd to fight dudes past their primes"
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Marquez was in his prime the 3 fights he fought Manny before that...

so was what's his name...dude that loaded his gloves against Mosely.... that was a much bigger dude that Manny and his cleaned dude's clock..

but I'm not in here talking about Manny..and the fact you keep bringing him up shows that you have no legit defense for Floyd's ducking...

  

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136. "No, I'm talking about Floyd.. yes or no was JMM past his prime"
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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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150. "Why would he want to fight him coming off of a loss?"
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Is it possible he may be trying to pre-empt the excuses that would come from his crushing KO loss???


"....oh...well Manny was on his way out of the sport anyway..."

"...that last KO loss just proved that Manny wasn't focused on fighting anymore..."

"oh... Mayweather just waited him out... You know Manny got hit more over his career...it caught up to him like Cotto..."


"...he ain't been the same since that loss to JMM...."


Blah Blah Blah....


"...and 0!..." - Basa


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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122. "So what you're saying is Ward *deserved* requested concessions??!?"
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*more Ed Lover*


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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127. "in Dawson's case..it was worth the concession...."
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if Ward did like Floyd and made a habit of avoiding the challenging contenders out there...then his request for Dawson's concession on weight would represent something different..

it's not about the concession in weight..it's about how that request for a concession is part of Floyd's pattern to avoid fighting the more challenging opponents. Ward doesn't have that pattern. Floyd does...

  

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137. "Who do you know on Ward's ledger other than these 5 names?"
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Chad Dawson

Mikkel Kessler

Arthur Abraham

Carl Froch

Edison Miranda


...and don't bring me no Sakio Bika!!!!...or Allan Green..LOL!!!


Oh!!! ...and how many 4, 6, and 8 rounders did he fight as a professional against the names you can't mention...


...and over how many years??!?!?


Now run that same test for Mayweather...



...and for the record, I respect Andre Ward highly but really doe...


*cue Ed Lover*


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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138. "those were the best guys out there for him to fight..."
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Thu May-16-13 12:26 PM by Warren Coolidge

  

          

>Chad Dawson
>
>Mikkel Kessler
>
>Arthur Abraham
>
>Carl Froch
>
>Edison Miranda
>

can you point out to me some fighters better than those guys that Ward DIDN'T fight??? That's the real question.... Ward fought the best guys out there....

that was the whole point of the super 6 tournament....

if he was trying to avoid fighting the best challengers available to him..he would not have entered into a tournament to fight them...

lol...

maybe floyd should fight Julio Ceaser Chavez Sr. since everyone knows his name.....lolol.

  

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144. "Fighters that adhered to tournament rules..."
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Across the board standards agreed upon. Pre arranged point system, weight stipulations, purse, promotions....EVERYTHING....


So what's the excuse for fighters calling coward but not bothering to secure a ranking?

Wow...



LOL!!!!



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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143. "since its a pattern (in your deluded mind), that makes it different?"
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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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115. "LOL! Per Jeff Mayweather:"
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http://hustleboss.com/jeff-mayweather-speaks-on-floyd-facing-canelo-and-freddie-roachs-comments-that-his-legs-were-gone-2/

Notable quotes:

"The reality is Floyd is not a 154 pounder at all... His skill of course can win him titles at that weight.."

"...he's never weighed 154lbs..."

"...(against) De La Hoya...149lbs..."

"...(against) Cotto...147lbs..."

(referencing Canelo negotiations): "...I think he made a mistake pulling himself off the card thinking that Floyd needed him when we see Floyd didn't need him..."

....you're not going to dictate terms to Mayweather....

Totally forgot that Alvarez abruptly withdrew from the Mayweather card....


LOL!!!!


(BONUS Floyd Sr. quote): "Let me tell you something...to tell the truth, Floyd ain't nothing but a 140-pounder. Floyd came in at 146 (for his fight with Guerrero) and Lil Floyd had to *EAT* to make it to 146.."

....you're not going to dictate terms to Mayweather....

  

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117. "nor should anyone be able to...he's the best fighter AND biggest draw"
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he's like if black thought made a solo album and it sold 8 mil

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119. "Interesting. Either way I don't think 154 works vs. Cenolo. I like 150"
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but if floyd wants 147 he holds all the chips.

I don't think 147 would be good for canelo though. so yeah I don't want to see canelo fighting 147.

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120. "those pleas only work to justify ducking Canelo.....even though"
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they figured out a way to make it work vs. Cotto.... I guess Cotto's distance away from being in his prime made that one workable..


but that excuse doesn't justify ducking Manny....He's talking about Amir Khan... If Floyd is really a 140 fighter...then making the fight with Pac should be easy...

he's got 2 different pleas being copped on 2 different fronts...for 2 different reasons...all to achieve the same goal of avoiding the more challenging fight...

low risk...high reward....

that's the strategy....and that's fine, but people should call it like it is instead of buying all these non sense excuses....

he's doing the same theing Roy Jones Jr. did for so long..only differece Roy pretty much only had David Tedesco to fight, and other guys who had other full-time jobs besides being a boxer.... Floyd on the other hand is doing the same thing it's just that he actually has decent fighters he could fight.

  

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123. "you are going great lengths to talk about cats who would lose anyway"
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you know it, and I know it... there aint one mother fucker on this earth beating floyd mayweather right today.

Yet, you are persistent in saying he doesnt take "the hardest fight possible"

None of them are Ls. None of these mother fuckers will be discussed 20 years from now as great fighters. Maybe Manny, but the way he flamed out...

You act like there is a sweat pea or a trinidad in his prime walking around... it isnt.

This shit is like complaining that the heat get to beat Memphis in the finals and not a healthy okc

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125. "The champ gets what he wants. --->PERIOD<---"
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Whatever Cotto and Mayweather negotiated between themselves is between them and forgone.


If you're contracted at 154 and for whatever reason you walk in the ring damn near a Light Heavyweight on fight night...


Guess What?



You *A'INT* a Super Welter and you *A'INT* getting to fight the champ unless the champ says so...

Did Cotto walk into the ring at 170+lbs????


Should Mayweather just concede 15-20 lbs?????

Is that what you're really saying???


Foolishness.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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126. "nigga wants floyd mayweather to accept fighting at major disadvantages"
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130. "they both have belts at 154....that's not a major disadvantage..."
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it's a challenge that scores of champions in the past have rushed to take on.....

you putting super extras on something that a real great champ looked at as the norm....

  

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142. "It's a major disadvantage for a guy who's never cracked 154lbs..."
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There is no excuse for 170+ lbs


20 lbs???!?!?


Incredible.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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145. "man i quit after his plea cop about health concerns for canelo "
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being dehydrated

but not for floyd being in the ring getting hit by someone 20+ lbs heavier

dudes a fukin clown


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152. "I'm saying... An invitation to 147 is simply saying:"
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"Prove you're my size"

You have pundits openly discussing Canelo's options *ABOVE* Middleweight


....but you have idiots blaming a fighter/accusing a fighter of ducking who historically has *STRUGGLED* to crack 150lbs...

JUST PUT ON A WEIGHT VEST AND FIGHT HIM FLOYD!!!! THEN IT WILL BE EVEN!!!!!



They can get all the way the fuck out of here with that BS logic...


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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154. "He's got a belt at 154..... and dude..you are avoiding that quote"
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of yours I put up.. with the link..

  

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164. "How many times did Roy Jones Jr defend his heavyweight strap?"
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Not all moves up are permanent.

http://clydefrazierapproves.com/
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174. "^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^"
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"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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183. "if there were more belt holders closer to Ruiz size and skill level"
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he would have fought more at heavyweight....

here's the problem with your argument though...

Heavyweights are 200 plus....

Light heavy is 175 plus....

that's a 25 pound difference on paper between the divisions...

the difference on paper between these divisions are 154 to 147...

big difference

  

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253. "lol @ this bullshit"
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>the difference on paper between these divisions are 154 to
>147...
>
>big difference
>
>

Who gives a fuck about the difference "on paper" when Canelo was 170 pounds in his last fight..

cmon man, at least try to be somewhat objective.. lololololol

You're not going to be happy until someone 50 pounds heavier than PBF kills him in the ring. lolololol

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186. "Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!"
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128. "see...here is your problem though...."
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>Whatever Cotto and Mayweather negotiated between themselves
>is between them and forgone.
>
>
>If you're contracted at 154 and for whatever reason you walk
>in the ring damn near a Light Heavyweight on fight night...
>
>
>Guess What?
>
>
>
>You *A'INT* a Super Welter and you *A'INT* getting to fight
>the champ unless the champ says so...
>
>Did Cotto walk into the ring at 170+lbs????
>
>
>Should Mayweather just concede 15-20 lbs?????
>
>Is that what you're really saying???
>
>
>Foolishness.
>
>
>"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit
>back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see
>you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court
>after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

in that previous thread you used the fact that negotiations had started as proof that Floyd doesn't duck legit challengers


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2170415&mesg_id=2170415&listing_type=search#2178325

You didn't make that post talking about 147 being the only way it happens...you acted like the fight was a done deal and that proved everyone was wrong about Floyd ducking...

you said get your excuses ready..

now when details come out about the negotiations...the only making excuses is YOU...

that's a problem for your argument...

Floyd fans claim victory over fights that dont' happen....somehow Manny getting knocked out is a victory for Floyd...Manny agreeing to a testing process in his fight with someone else is a victory for Floyd...... Now just negotiating to fight Canelo is a victory for Floyd.....

usually people claim victory over challenging fighter because of a boxing match in the ring....but with Floyd..victory comes from his bank account and a bunch of other stuff that never leads to an actual boxing match...

we speaking 2 different languages...

  

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159. "See... You got shit twisted fam... That's your problem...."
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>You didn't make that post talking about 147 being the only way
>it happens...you acted like the fight was a done deal and that
>proved everyone was wrong about Floyd ducking...


^^^WRONG!!! I never said anything about that being the only way it happens. You Sir are delusional..

Negotiation opened at 147lbs.

I said if that's what Mayweather wants and he's not willing to move then accept it or don't. He does not have to concede anything. It is his right just as it is Canelo's right to refuse

You Sir...are mindscaping


>you said get your excuses ready..
>
>now when details come out about the negotiations...the only
>making excuses is YOU...


^^^again WRONG!!!!!

I always advocate a fighter asking for exactly what they want. This is a bloodsport.

YOU SIR are the one that is openly accusing Mayweather of ducking for asking for what he wants. There is always a risk reward to be considered and negotiated.

This is a BLOODSPORT

Do you know who Meldrick Taylor is?

If I struggled to make it to 150 lbs at maximum and I have been presented an opponent who is bursting at the seams damn near his whole career and routinely enters the ring at a fight night weight that places him 2-3 weight classes above my optimum weight range then I would be stupid to concede that..

ESPECIALLY if I am *THE* champion...

Shit...If I am any champion...

Incredible....


>that's a problem for your argument...
>
>Floyd fans claim victory over fights that dont'
>happen....somehow Manny getting knocked out is a victory for
>Floyd...Manny agreeing to a testing process in his fight with
>someone else is a victory for Floyd...... Now just
>negotiating to fight Canelo is a victory for Floyd.....


^^^What victory have I claimed?!?!?

Again WRONG!!! You are mindscaping like a motherfucker!

I advocate both fighters having the right to refuse or accept any contract they are presented with

YOU SIR are the one who seems to believe that one fighter's rights trump another's. They may agree or disagree how they like.

You have in your mind that this constitutes a duck. I do not. Alvarez and Mayweather have every right to agree or not on a contract.


>usually people claim victory over challenging fighter because
>of a boxing match in the ring....but with Floyd..victory comes
>from his bank account and a bunch of other stuff that never
>leads to an actual boxing match...
>
>we speaking 2 different languages...

^^^I'm not people. I am one person and I believe either fighter can agree or not agree to fight each other.I haven't wavered on this


You on the other hand are obsessed with trying to find a coward in a contract.


20lbs.

"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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141. "this is where i'm at"
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>that's the strategy....and that's fine, but people should call
>it like it is instead of buying all these non sense
>excuses....


don't know why these dudes just can't admit what's painfully obvious at this point
floyd already set the precedent for fighting at 154 last yr
everyone has been assuming that's where the canelo fight would be at
i don't remember a SINGLE post or article saying that fight would or should be at 147
i mean we have DIRECT quotes from his team saying catch weights are sucka shit and making fighters come down in weight is a severe disadvantage. niggas said this in 2012
now the SAME dudes saying they ain't fighting unless it's at 147
like niggas just completely bypassed catch weight and said fuck that come down a whole weight class bwhwhahahahah
it's no consistency because it's not based on principle
shit is based on making certain fights impossible to make. simple as that really
floyd could announce he's fighting juanma lopez next and these dudes would argue that it made sense
it's just dumb at this point
go head and pay for fights you don't give a fuck about
general public/media/boxers already have accepted that dude is a duck artist
so i'm good

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148. "it dont matter... he negotiates how he wants...now if canelo says"
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fuck that im not moving down to 147...is he wrong too?

its a challenge presented either way..plus, what you are not getting is that if they fight at 154, canelo will come in the ring 165+ and floyd will come in at 149... why the fuck would he take that?

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160. "^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^"
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"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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176. "oh of course. up and unto making impossible conditions"
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that's my point, thanks

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257. "what impossible conditions nigga?"
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180. "Absolutely agree. They both have a right of refusal."
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Why are fuckers calling coward? It could be a whole host of things and gamesmanship. Negotiations have to be a riot. We always seem to enjoy volleying in here...

**Alvarez Prior to May 4th: Fuck your PPV undercard. I don't need you. September 14th I will be moving on as well on that date.

*Mayweather: Ok. I'm fighting on September 14th regardless

**Alvarez After May 4th: I wanna fight you on September 14th's PPV. I just beat Austin Trout on a "freebie"

*Mayweather: Ok. 147lbs.


Who balks?

OKS wars ensue.... "...COWARD!!! MONEY!!! TARZAN!!! FLASH GORDON!!!!..."

LOL!!!!


This shit is fun as hell....

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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256. "hahahahaha very well put..i love it"
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151. "How is it a duck? If he wants the fight he will agree to the weight."
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A sanctioned 147lbs.

You championed Pacquiao and were dismissive when the video of Freddie Roach was ****CLEAR**** about Oscar getting 147 vs. Mosley then being offered 142lbs...



147 is an actual weight class.

The Champ

The Bigger draw

the guy who has titles in both weight classes

The guy who has agreed to fight 6 times in 30 months (almost once every yearly quarter barring injury....and what most title holders don't do at 36 years old...)

...has requested a clash at 147.


You don't want 147. Don't fight.

The end.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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156. "but but but he fought at 154 last year so now he always has to "
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everytime anyone asks or else he's ducking them...

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162. "No one was angry at Oscar when fighters were met with his terms"
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Motherfuckers are like:

"...Yo... That's Oscar..."

"...Yo...I ain't turning down this money...."


*kisses teeth*

Canelo can say no too...and then go up to 168 because he's "having problems making weight"

When you hydrate almost 17-18 lbs...you were already having a fucking problem....


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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166. "or manny for fighting at catch weights that always favored him"
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131. "why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez? - Al Bundy"
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Somebody let me know.



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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133. "he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone...but trust me..."
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he's going to fight all those guys...

Ward...Martinez....Golovkin....Chavez Jr.....Thurman...

that's why if I'm Canelo's camp...I fight Floyd at 150 or I don't fight him at all.... He's got plenty of paydays against other solid fighters..... Canelo is gonna get paid...AND have great names on his record who weren't past their primes.

  

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139. "so have u completley abandoned ur manny bandwagon for canelo?"
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thats what it seems everyone has been doing (except the asians. they staying pretty loyal)

but yea

ever since manny got put into his pajamas canelo seems to be the next golden knight

just an observation

anyway

im convinced ur trolling this just to have an arguments at this point

especially since kobe is bout to put out to pasture and the laker empire is crumbling

so this is a healthy distraction for u

i just cant get past ur hypocritical bullshyt to take anything u say on the topic of floyd seriously


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155. "I'm not on anyone's bandwaggon...it just seems so because"
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because the pro-Floyd party line is to simply bring up everyone else besides dealing with what Floyd is doing..or not doing.

ats what it seems everyone has been doing (except the
>asians. they staying pretty loyal)
>
>but yea
>
>ever since manny got put into his pajamas canelo seems to be
>the next golden knight
>
>just an observation
>
>anyway
>
>im convinced ur trolling this just to have an arguments at
>this point
>
>especially since kobe is bout to put out to pasture and the
>laker empire is crumbling
>
>so this is a healthy distraction for u
>
>i just cant get past ur hypocritical bullshyt to take anything
>u say on the topic of floyd seriously


lol.... Floyd ducks the more challening opponents..and you have no legit or reasonable response to that. That is the bottom line.

  

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140. "LOL.."
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>he's going to fight all those guys...
>
>Ward...

^^^ That won't happen

>Martinez....

^^^You saw his last fight...right??!?!? LOL!

>Golovkin....

^^^ I actually like this one...

>Chavez Jr.....

^^^This motherfucker is not even interested in boxing and will either have the munchies before this is ever possible or will have moved up if he does actually continue

>Thurman...


^^^Thurman is waiting for his turn at ****147lbs****... Will Canelo come down to fight him???




>that's why if I'm Canelo's camp...I fight Floyd at 150 or I
>don't fight him at all.... He's got plenty of paydays against
>other solid fighters..... Canelo is gonna get paid...AND have
>great names on his record who weren't past their primes.


^^^We shall see.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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161. "why would you be convinced a fight with Canelo and ward wouldn't"
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happen??

looks to me like you're trying to project Floyd's avoidance of challenges onto a 22 year old Canelo Alvarez who up to now...has called out 1 fighter...

I would be willing to bet money that fight happens as long as something unforseen comes along like an injury or something...

  

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163. "Ward has designs on 175 and maybe higher..."
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He has said so on more than one occasion.

I'd be surprised if Alvarez is ready to go at 168 by the time a Ward fight could be made.


I believe Ward is waiting for Bernard to retire to move to 175.


He's moving soon though....watch....


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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182. "fighting Canelo at 168 in 2 years or less is the biggest fight"
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Ward could make....it's his only real legit pay per view possibility considering fighting Floyd at 160 probably won't happen..

Ward isn't going to go up and away from his 1 pay per view opportunity...no way ..no how...

  

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188. "Ward has just come off of a surgery and has made weight for yrs"
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If you remember the coverage of the Super Six... He constantly alluded to having to focus in on making weight. He continues to make weight but he has been brought along carefully as a Super Middle for 9-10 years now...

It takes a toll.


168lbs is and has to be a chore for him at this point.


It does not appear that Alvarez is prepared to move from 154 anytime soon. He will attempt to milk his opportunities at 154 as is his right.


Conversely, Ward isn't waiting around for Alvarez or his handlers. Not two years and not after an injury.


The move up is coming and Alvarez's handlers aren't moving him two weight classes at once. That ain't happening. If he moves it will be to middle then super middle. When/if it happens....he's not doing that in two years. Two years is essentially 3-5 fights from now at minimum. Ward ain't waiting.

  

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189. "if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it"
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>If you remember the coverage of the Super Six... He
>constantly alluded to having to focus in on making weight. He
>continues to make weight but he has been brought along
>carefully as a Super Middle for 9-10 years now...
>
>It takes a toll.
>
>
>168lbs is and has to be a chore for him at this point.
>
>
>It does not appear that Alvarez is prepared to move from 154
>anytime soon. He will attempt to milk his opportunities at
>154 as is his right.
>
>
>Conversely, Ward isn't waiting around for Alvarez or his
>handlers. Not two years and not after an injury.
>
>
>The move up is coming and Alvarez's handlers aren't moving him
>two weight classes at once. That ain't happening. If he
>moves it will be to middle then super middle. When/if it
>happens....he's not doing that in two years. Two years is
>essentially 3-5 fights from now at minimum. Ward ain't
>waiting.


What other fights are there for Andre Ward moving up???

I seriously doubt he would have any problem taking the 1 pay per view fight left for him before he retires..

I think Floyd got you thinking that these obsticles to fights are bigger than they are....

the norm is that you make it happen..you make a way for it to happen...

  

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192. "RE: if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it"
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>What other fights are there for Andre Ward moving up???

^^^The real question is: what fights are really left at 168? He could rematch a few of his Super Six buddies. Will he?

They were actually good fights...but will he pursue Those rematches..? Does he need to continue at 168?

He can but will he?


I would be interested to see him face Chad Dawson at Light Heavy this time. Bute and Pascal can get their respective arenas rocking...

Will Andre go to their turf? Dunno.

>I seriously doubt he would have any problem taking the 1 pay
>per view fight left for him before he retires..


^^^As is your right. I don't think he's waiting around for Alvarez though...not for two-three years..

...and I would pump the brakes on assuming that there is only 1 PPV as an option for Ward. The question is whether or not he can tap the overseas market. If he fought overseas and had some of that promotions back end he could make a killing. He's got quite a few fan followings frustrated...

Those arenas would be packed for Kessler/Froch/Abraham...

That was a big point of contention during the Super Six. His ability to pretty much do his thing in Oakland.

***EVERY*** contest of his was held in Oakland save the tourney championship against Froch...

...but that is another story...

Let's assume he fights four more years...2x a year... That's 8 fights.

Let's Assume Alvarez will be ready in three years...fighting twice a year.

Ward will have two fights left and will more than likely have moved up to 175 or beyond as he has alluded.

Is he going to cut weight at the END of his career? Is he really going to do that when he and possibly some of his peers will have moved up as well? I'll continue to watch this one but I doubt he waits around...

Like I said... If Alvarez continues to have success at the lower weights he will milk those until he cannot...then he will move up....not before...

...Will he want Andre Ward then??? Will Andre move down? What about Oakland????


Dunno...


>I think Floyd got you thinking that these obsticles to fights
>are bigger than they are....


^^^#obstacles

What has Mayweather got to do with this? Yes. I think weight is important if that's what you're alluding to.

I don't think Alvarez will ever move to call out Ward. Ward has also made clear that he wouldn't move down for any fighter other than Mayweather.

So when do you expect Alvarez to move to Supermiddle? It needs to be soon but Oscar ain't gonna let that happen.

We'll see.

>
>the norm is that you make it happen..you make a way for it to
>happen...


^^^Again... How feasible is this? Alvarez is not moving up ***now***. You think he'll be ready for Ward in a year? Two?!?

He'll be ready in arguably 4 fights? For Ward????

Nah...


You do realize you are somewhat saying he's big enough to move up now....right???

Ward should wait at 168 for a fighter you believe would be ready in about 4 fights...

Moving up from 154...

???

What is it that makes you think Alvarez would be able to comfortably transition from SuperWelter/Jr. Middle to Super Middle.....and fight Andre Ward????


If that's not what you're getting at...please clarify because I don't see yout scenario as feasible..


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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193. "aren't you buying the claim Canelo weighed 170 on fight night?"
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if so...why do we have to come up with a pathagarian therum for him to "transition" to 168..... if he's already fighting at that weight on fight night..its not a big deal.

  

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196. "It's not a claim."
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>if so...why do we have to come up with a pathagarian therum
>for him to "transition" to 168..... if he's already fighting
>at that weight on fight night..its not a big deal.

^^^#Pythagorean #Theorem


So he belongs at 154? 168? 175?<----please pick one

170 - 154 = 16. Where is Pythagoras?

170 - 147 = 23. Where is the advantage?




What then is his motivation to fight Ward or Mayweather or whoever else?

at damn near Light Heavy for Jr. Middle.

Ward is also bigger than 168. Is it ok if he shows up at 180 for that Alvarez card you want?

You really want Canelo in with the Hopkins/Mayweather hybrid??? Bigger...craftier???

Weight absolutely matters.

I would not begrudge Alvarez negotiating for himself and taking his time to move up. You seem to think I would. Maybe he should train over a longer period of time to regulate his weight.

adding two weight classes in a day ain't the business.

That said... I wouldn't throw him in with Ward until he got to train, fight and settle into 168. Rushing that Ward fight would be foolish.

His handlers as early as a week ago said that he shouldn't even fight Mayweather this year.


Simply put....this is about the feasibilty of the revenues weighed against risk....always has been...

We'll see if either fight manifests.



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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214. "Weight matters a lot less than you think..."
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when it comes to making the big fights...the only fights out there for a particular guy to get pay per view money....weight is something that can be worked with..

really not until all this floyd non-sense did weight and testing become things that are so important they can't be worked through....

  

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219. "That assumption is ridiculous and asinine"
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n/m

  

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221. "This is logical:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abyiZ50Lcx0


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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146. "he has said he wants to fight the best"
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but those guys havent been mentioned by anyone in his camp

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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158. "he and his camp would look foolish calling out those guys now"
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he's 22...about to leave a lower weight class behind for good.... the fight with Floyd has an expiration date... Thats' all he's focused on...

but again...If it aint at 150..he should move on and start looking towards other fights.... a fight with Keith Thurman wouldn't happen probably for at least another year..and Thurman has the capacity to come up some in weight....to until then...there are other fights for Canelo....

  

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222. "http://splicd.com/rxbMyKNQ1VU/254/287"
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http://splicd.com/rxbMyKNQ1VU/254/287

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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149. "do they fight for golden boy promotions?"
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stop being willingly DUMB my dude
canelo is calling out the best fighter that he'll actually be allowed to fight
and floyd is the fight ppl want most. ain't no fucking canelo vs. sergio buzz. FOH
who the fuck is FLOYD calling out nigga since u got questions?
bwhahahahaha
you just said floyd was going to fight canelo now you want canelo to call out other ppl?
it's sad seeing yall niggas flip flop on stances yall had
"arum keep fights in the family"
now defending that
"manny a bitch for requesting catchweights"
now defending that
shits pathetic

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157. "Floyd is calling out Amir Khan...lololol.."
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165. "So....Is HBO and Bob Arum the answer?????"
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You funny though...


DUMB funny even...


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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171. "willingly dumb is repeatedly saying floyd ducked manny"
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knowing damb well that was a battle between promotion companies trying to big boy one another

its fuked up the fight didnt happen

but the 'duck' talk is fukin retarded and rather simplistic

i mean i get it

it makes for good trolling

but when it comes down to it its retarded

and had zero shyt to do with him being scared of pajama boy pacq

novice boxing fans dont kno that

but i'd like to hold u and warren to a higher degree but yal keep proving me wrong with every fight post

i know 80% of it is trolling and mad making but its kinda getting hard to tell

lines been hella blurry since yal boy manny hit the deck

only thing is pathetic is yal on one hand saying canelo doesnt need floyd and should be able to dictate his own terms of the fight cause theres plenty of fights out there for him

and then turn around and say 'sergio zzzzzzzzz'

lol

yal so fukin full of shyt its pathetic

point is canelo needs this fight

u right about it being the only fight folk care about right now

and floyd got the juice and its drives yal fukin livid

he did over 1 mill ppv with fightin guerrerro

hes the biggest draw

hes the p4p champ

he dictates the terms

be mad

if canelo wants the fight he needs to come to terms with that

floyd had to do it to become the man

he beat oscar at 154

in a small ring

with 10oz gloves

Oscar wanted a rematch

floyd said u gotta come down this time since i beat u

oscar said fuk u

cool

canelo aint no different

hes goin to have to do what floyd says if he wants the fight

if he doesnt wanna do that and fight snoozers

cool

but dont say floyd is ducking cause he holding all the chips

u can be mad and troll

bout it

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175. "^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^"
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>knowing damb well that was a battle between promotion
>companies trying to big boy one another
>
>its fuked up the fight didnt happen
>
>but the 'duck' talk is fukin retarded and rather simplistic
>
>i mean i get it
>
>it makes for good trolling
>
>but when it comes down to it its retarded
>
>and had zero shyt to do with him being scared of pajama boy
>pacq
>
>novice boxing fans dont kno that
>
>but i'd like to hold u and warren to a higher degree but yal
>keep proving me wrong with every fight post
>
>i know 80% of it is trolling and mad making but its kinda
>getting hard to tell
>
>lines been hella blurry since yal boy manny hit the deck
>
>only thing is pathetic is yal on one hand saying canelo doesnt
>need floyd and should be able to dictate his own terms of the
>fight cause theres plenty of fights out there for him
>
>and then turn around and say 'sergio zzzzzzzzz'
>
>lol
>
>yal so fukin full of shyt its pathetic
>
>point is canelo needs this fight
>
>u right about it being the only fight folk care about right
>now
>
>and floyd got the juice and its drives yal fukin livid
>
>he did over 1 mill ppv with fightin guerrerro
>
>hes the biggest draw
>
>hes the p4p champ
>
>he dictates the terms
>
>be mad
>
>if canelo wants the fight he needs to come to terms with that
>
>floyd had to do it to become the man
>
>he beat oscar at 154
>
>in a small ring
>
>with 10oz gloves
>
>Oscar wanted a rematch
>
>floyd said u gotta come down this time since i beat u
>
>oscar said fuk u
>
>cool
>
>canelo aint no different
>
>hes goin to have to do what floyd says if he wants the fight
>
>if he doesnt wanna do that and fight snoozers
>
>cool
>
>but dont say floyd is ducking cause he holding all the chips
>
>u can be mad and troll
>
>bout it
>
>____________
>
>Dallas Heatvricks BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!!


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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190. "he did duck Manny and he's still ducking...Is he talking to Manny now?"
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>knowing damb well that was a battle between promotion
>companies trying to big boy one another
>
>its fuked up the fight didnt happen
>
>but the 'duck' talk is fukin retarded and rather simplistic
>
>i mean i get it
>
>it makes for good trolling
>
>but when it comes down to it its retarded
>
>and had zero shyt to do with him being scared of pajama boy
>pacq
>
>novice boxing fans dont kno that
>
>but i'd like to hold u and warren to a higher degree but yal
>keep proving me wrong with every fight post
>
>i know 80% of it is trolling and mad making but its kinda
>getting hard to tell
>
>lines been hella blurry since yal boy manny hit the deck
>
>only thing is pathetic is yal on one hand saying canelo doesnt
>need floyd and should be able to dictate his own terms of the
>fight cause theres plenty of fights out there for him
>
>and then turn around and say 'sergio zzzzzzzzz'
>
>lol
>
>yal so fukin full of shyt its pathetic
>
>point is canelo needs this fight
>
>u right about it being the only fight folk care about right
>now
>
>and floyd got the juice and its drives yal fukin livid
>
>he did over 1 mill ppv with fightin guerrerro
>
>hes the biggest draw
>
>hes the p4p champ
>
>he dictates the terms
>
>be mad
>
>if canelo wants the fight he needs to come to terms with that
>
>floyd had to do it to become the man
>
>he beat oscar at 154
>
>in a small ring
>
>with 10oz gloves
>
>Oscar wanted a rematch
>
>floyd said u gotta come down this time since i beat u
>
>oscar said fuk u


hold up...See this is where I need to point out to you that instead of even entertaining a rematch with Oscar..he should have had his sights set on an actual challenging fighter....which Oscar was not at that time.

Floyd was either going to give Oscar a rematch or semi-retire which he actually ended up doing...

All those fights out there for him..he was open to rematching a washed up De La Hoya....

smh




  

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173. "To your points:"
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>stop being willingly DUMB my dude

^^^Fuck you very much

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)

>canelo is calling out the best fighter that he'll actually be
>allowed to fight

^^^He's asking. Currently the price is 147lbs.

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)

>and floyd is the fight ppl want most. ain't no fucking canelo
>vs. sergio buzz. FOH

^^^Reference to the weight issue but that's a translation for a DUMB motherfucker like you.

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)

>who the fuck is FLOYD calling out nigga since u got
>questions?
>bwhahahahaha

^^^No one. Apparently he doesn't have to (

Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)

>you just said floyd was going to fight canelo now you want
>canelo to call out other ppl?

^^^ You still failing reading comprehension huh? I expressed that the fight was going to get made. I will sell my crystal ball. Since he is calling out Mayweather from inside his rubber suit....Is there anyone else he wants that's his size? 160lbs and up.

160lbs is much closer to 170lbs than 147lbs... Don'tcha think?

He gets to enjoy his tacos too!!!!! SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)



>it's sad seeing yall niggas flip flop on stances yall had
>"arum keep fights in the family"

^^^You plan on watching his Welterweight tournament on HBO??? Mayweather is still ranked higher than all of the guys in the Top Rank stable... They will have to concede some dollars to Showtime...

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)


>now defending that
>"manny a bitch for requesting catchweights"

147lbs is a weight class.....but DUMB motherfucker like you don't know what class is huh???

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)


>now defending that
>shits pathetic


^^^Not as pathetic as your comprehesion.

You do know that Alvarez would be ranked higher at 147 than anyone at Top Rank though... Right???

(Bwhahahahaha-urrrrp)

"FUCKAS!!!" - Phontigallo



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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147. "a couple things here"
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first the Ellerbe quote makes the demand comical. That being said, it's completely logical and sane for him not to fight a guy that will come into the ring at least 15 lbs heavier and 15 years younger than he is.

One thing that is irritating me here is throwing around the word "catchweight". He wants to fight him at WW. Catchweight implies he's creating a weight limit different from the particular weight class that he's in....like Pacquiao has done.

Basically, had Floyd and Ellerbe not been explicit in trying to show up Pac in talking up Cotto fighting him at Cotto's comfortable weight, the highest paid athlete in sports and the highest ppv draw in boxing asking his opponent to fight at WW shouldn't be an issue. like at all.

  

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167. "So astute. Co-signs"
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If Canelo would flatly refuse it would be a dead issue


I also find it funny that Alvarez pulled out of the Mayweather card, fought on a freebie and is supposedly demanding this fight.

Again, he can flatly refuse and walk away....

I'll bet the negotiations continue


Don't understand the coward shit springing up again though.

Oscar demanded 154 (Lord knows what he came in the ring weighing fight night)

Cotto demanded 154 (...and specifically shot the "catchweight" gamesmanship jab as you so eloquently mentioned)




"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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153. "HEY!!! Let's revisit Billy Conn vs. Joe Louis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..."
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n/m


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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168. "i dont see canelo not taking this fight if weight is the only hurdle "
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its the other shit that worries me

Floyd stans are looking like hypocrites in here
cause yall all shitted on manny for playing catchweight games when he was #1

but Floyd is doing it and now its ok cause he #1

  

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170. "Manny was never #1"
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220. "it's not a catchweight. fuck lol"
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169. "GOTDAMN I CANNOT TAKE THIS SHIT!"
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jesus fuckin christ.

Look man Im not anti catchweights. I think if fighters agree to it, then they fuckin afree to it and its a fight. Never bought into the hype of guys being zapped and shit. You sign a fuckin contract its your duty to make it work to the best of your ability with whatever weight or whatever fuckin gloves.


What is absolutely maddening here is all the Floyd fan/stans who talked LOOOOOOONG shit about Manny making guys fight him at catch weights. This shit is documented on this board. Look up the posts Margarito, Cotto, Marquez.

Some of the exact fuckin same people talking shit about Manny making people come down cause he had the leverage as champ and top rank backing are the EXACT Same fuckin people coppin pleas for Floyd doing the same thing by citing things like:

Well he's a champ, they have to respect his rules or He's earned it. Canelo is younger.

WHAT THEE FUCK?

You can respect Floyd as a fighter and his skills and still say, you know what, I called Manny out for this and it was bitchmade then and its bitchmade now.
(Again I dont think its bitchmade myself).


But some of these motherfuckers in here were arguing so hard about Manny fighting shot fighters cause of catchweights are the very same people defending Floyd for the same shit.

Go look up those posts.


Fuckin ridiculous.

---
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172. "who did floyd fight at a catchweight? "
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201. "your moms"
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catchweight is actually better according to a lot of you in here because it at least meets Canelo in the middle. Floyd wants Canelo - not to do a catchweight but a whole weight class.

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177. "difference is Manny abused the fuk out of the catchweight system"
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the only pass i give him is fighting oscar at catchweight

and thats because Oscar challenged him trying to revive his career


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178. "I've always said that weight matters"
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...and when calling out Manny it was only to prove my point that weight actually matters despite what others may think.

I also agree that catchweights are feasible....under the right circumstances...

To demand that a fighter meet you in your weight class...a sanctioned weight class, is not the basis for assigning coward.

Catchweight fights should be relegated to those P4P guys that are *very* close is stature and dimensions but are separated by weightclasses. It should not be to make just *any* fight.

...and you know how negotiations go... Who can demand what?

If we're talking leverage then why not? No one seems to see that Canelo and Floyd are both exerting whatever leverage/negotiating power they have.

So if you have the right of refusal...why not use it? Does it make you a coward?

Would you grant a fight with a fighter that historically weighs 2-3 weight classes above you when you don't have to.

Does that make you a coward?


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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179. "^^^^^^^ SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^"
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198. "knock knock? who's there? manny got fucked up. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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207. "What a lame duck joke"
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HA SEE WHAT I DID THERE

also Mexicans still call Mayweather pussy

  

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181. "Exactly..... the pro-Floyd side is standing on shaky ground"
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with this double standard...

  

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184. "Is that a Narbonne ring with the G in it?"
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Warren Coolidge
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185. "those are 3 Narbonne rings.....'08, '11, '12"
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203. "didnt understand the G"
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but i just remembered yall are the gauchos.

Still never really seen a ring with an initial of the mascot.

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213. "The G is important to us.... our stadium is the G-House..."
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our overall group is the Gaucho Nation or the G-Nation...

the new ring has the new Mascot head with a G on his hat with 3 championship trophies behind him.

  

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187. "they lost all credibility wit that "
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their arguments have no intellectual integrity what so ever
because they're based entirely on what mayweather does or says
if mayweather contradicts himself they will contradict themselves, instantaneously
like lil floyd lemmings, it's tea party level ridiculous
i mean the fact none of them can even do so much as name what fights they want to see floyd take because it would risk them undermining his cherry picks illustrates it perfectly
makes me wonder if they actually believed any of the shit they've been arguing all these yrs

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191. "pretty much "
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>their arguments have no intellectual integrity what so ever
>because they're based entirely on what mayweather does or
>says
>if mayweather contradicts himself they will contradict
>themselves, instantaneously
>like lil floyd lemmings, it's tea party level ridiculous
>i mean the fact none of them can even do so much as name what
>fights they want to see floyd take because it would risk them
>undermining his cherry picks illustrates it perfectly
>makes me wonder if they actually believed any of the shit
>they've been arguing all these yrs
>

191 posts deep
and NONE mention a fight they actually want to see

  

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197. "you know manny got fucked up, right?"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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202. "Yes we do"
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and we know that Floyd is better than manny. But everyone in here talkin that shit was talkin that shit way before Manny ever got knocked out.

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205. "yeah and it could have been by floyd "
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204. "yea its kinda like manny fans all of a sudden pro drug testing.."
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...oh


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194. "manny got knocked out. floyd didn't. he the draw. he make the rules."
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it ain't that hard.

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199. "its that simple."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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200. "lol no its fuckin not. "
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These same guys talkin shit were talkin shit way before Manny EVER EVER EVER got knocked out. lol cmon. This shit is just lying.

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195. "Wasn't that mostly in response to people calling Floyd out for ducking?"
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Or for fitghting an "old" De La Hoya or "struggling" against Cotto. Am I wrong on this?

Either way, boxing sucks in general when it comes to making great fights happen when they should happen on a consistent basis. Until it changes I'm not mad at any fighter for taking full advantage of this shit Manny or Floyd. On things for certain...Manny got sent to bed.

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224. "Nah, Shawn. Can't let you fuss about this"
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The weights argument was the least of Manny's concerns

His bigger concern was fighting guys that just got fucked
up by Floyd (or someone else)

Clottey was off a loss

Cotto was off of a loss (one tuneup, I believe)

Margarito was off of a loss

Hatton was off of a loss (one tuneup)

Mosley was off of a loss

De La Hoya was off of a loss (one tuneup)

Marquez had gotten fucked up by Floyd

AND NOW BRANDO RIOS who is....coming off a loss

Its all Bob Arum, but its an embarrassment

So the catchweight was the least of the concerns

It made it WORSE but it wasn't THE issue

Fighting guys who got fucked up was. Had he fought
guys who weren't fucked up, the catch weight was less
of an issue

This is why Floyd doesn't get as much fuss for the Marquez
weight blowup

Why? Because Marquez was at least GOOD at the time
(CLEARLY...Floyd FUCKED UP a Marquez TWO YEARS YOUNGER
than the one who beat Pacquiao)

If Marquez had just got fucked up AND was asked to move
all the way up, then Floyd would have been criticized
EQUALLY

Nothing unprecedented about the guy who has the upper hand
dictating the weight terms

So that's really what went wrong with Pacquiao

He fought a nigga who didn't suck and wasn't fucked
up recently and got fucked up real, real, real, real
bad

Woulda happened earlier if he wasn't fighting people who
got fucked up

I've been a Pacquiao fan longer than any nigga on here btw


Like YoungerMan_Established didn't have a fight party for
Pacquiao-Barrera....oh I sure did...made a about 40 dollars
not much but still...had Mexicans at the crip the whole NINE

Can't lie them niggas came to fuss with me vis a vis Prince
Naseem...one of my biggest fight party Ls ever...I went to
that party with a chick from Lebanon riding a magic carpet

But I digress, just reflecting, just came back from a mini
vacay

So I have NO BEEF with Pacquiao

Arum I don't like

I'm of the personal belief that Pacquiao is half a class
below Floyd in boxing talent, though, and that Floyd would
have fucked him up real, real, real, real, real, real, bad.

That's saying nothing bad about him though


  

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206. "Floyd stans have now become exactly like Manny stans were "
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yall only speak in pleas and deflections

and will not admit that there are fights out there for Floyd

like i said when we get May/ortiz 2 or may/paulie i wanna see this same vigor


  

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209. "and what happened to Manny stans????"
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>yall only speak in pleas and deflections
>
>and will not admit that there are fights out there for Floyd
>
>like i said when we get May/ortiz 2 or may/paulie i wanna see
>this same vigor


oh that's right, their boy took a nap from a dude Floyd DOMINATED years ago and now they're "Canelo fans"

FOH

  

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210. "floyd ain't get knocked out and has no losses"
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212. "im not a manny fan so that means nothing to me"
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Floyd is currently trying to get Amir Khan though
who got knocked out cold twice and been wobbled by bums

  

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216. "Manny:Iverson - Canelo:LeBron"
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208. "WHERE IS THE SOURCE?"
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The article's only source is "rumors" that are "rampant". Then he interviews Alvarez' trainer who only says "(Floyd) wants Canelo at a lower weight". No mention of 147. No substantiation. No interview of anyone on Floyd's side. Everything is completely hypothetical.

Any of you could have written this exact article based on hearing the same nebulous rumors and getting a phone number for Alvarez' camp.

Guys, please stop enabling reporting like this. Think critically about the way a report is being framed, whether it is objective or has gone through any fact checking at all.

When the actual, CONFIRMED details come out, argue away.

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211. "uh did you even try to google?"
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http://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-sr-confirms-mayweather-canelo-147--65590

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Lightfoot
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215. "No, you're right, I didn't search"
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I was responding to the article that was posted, and my point stands. Regardless of your predisposition, and regardless of what else is out there--if you are arguing facts based on an article that uses "rumors" as a source, you are empowering this type of presumptive, incendiary journalism.

But since you brought up this boxingscene article--do you feel certain that, because Senior said so, it is a fact that Floyd is going to demand 147?

Did you think, after Floyd tweeted before the Guerrero fight that is next opponent was going to be Devon Alexander, that his next opponent was definitely going to be Alexander? Were you shocked when it wasn't?

Just be patient.

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217. "RE: No, you're right, I didn't search"
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>But since you brought up this boxingscene article--do you feel
>certain that, because Senior said so, it is a fact that Floyd
>is going to demand 147?
>
>Did you think, after Floyd tweeted before the Guerrero fight
>that is next opponent was going to be Devon Alexander, that
>his next opponent was definitely going to be Alexander? Were
>you shocked when it wasn't?
>
>Just be patient.


nothing's guaranteed
but typically floyd does not speak about these things publicly
it's usually ellerbee, roger/floyd sr, or schaefer
and i can't think of an instance where floyd ever disputed anything they put out there
it's pretty safe to assume they accurately represent his feelings
that being said i think alot of times his camp puts this type of shit out there just to gauge fan reaction
remember when they proposed canelo as an opponent at age 19 and ppl laughed it off. they did something else
they proposed guerrero a couple yrs ago and it got laughed off so they waited until he moved up and won a title before making the fight
and then the devon alexander thing....
think they are just trying see how bad a PR move this would be before going full steam into any negotiation

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218. "I think it's mostly just to get people talking about Floyd"
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Not so much to gauge decisions. They know how easy it is to manipulate reactionary, opinionated online writers--and in turn, manipulate equally reactionary, opinionated fans--into saying Floyd's name a whole lot. This post is Exhibit A to me.

And keep in mind that Schaefer told Rafael today that the claim that Mayweather has demanded 147 is not true at all.

So which of the two "accurately represents his feelings", Schaefer or Floyd Sr? Any answer to that question is purely speculative. Regardless, the conflicting messages should give anyone pause from being hypercritical (or hyperdefensive) or reactionary in any way at this point--if history didn't do so already.

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223. "ok so besides being punched in the head, everybody dehydrates to make we..."
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instead of just everybody agreeing to not fuck everyone's health over arbitrary weight classes

boxing is stupid.

no knock on the sport and the competition, but that shit is stupid.

  

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225. "Floyd needs to fight Canelo at 154 (c) Oscar (swipe)"
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told ya
GBP/Showtime is going to pressure this dude as much as they can to make this fight.
floyd ducking money generating fights sitting on guaranteed guap fucks up the economics for GBP/Showtime budget
that pressure gon be there to generate PPV #'s

Oscar De La Hoya told TSS that he's with the rest of the boxing world, that he'd like to see Floyd Mayweather glove up against Canelo Alvarez in his next fight, in September.

I asked Oscar (seen on right, with Canelo before Austin Trout fight, in Gene Blevins-Showtime photo above) this afternoon what the latest is on negotiations to make a scrap between the pound for pound ace and the Mexican phenom Canelo. Will it happen?

"I hope so, it's a fight the whole world wants to watch," he said in a phoner, after we talked about his trip to the TV upfronts in NYC. "If anyone can do it, it's Golden Boy."

And what of the talk of a catchweight, we heard Floyd Sr is saying that fight would have to take place at 147, and Richard Schaefer indicated that's BS....

"Floyd Junior is a competitor, he wants the best," he said. "I don't see an issue of not making it at 154."

But, if Team Mayweather said it's 147, or no deal, would and could Canelo make 147? "No, no, his legs are so thick, his neck is so thick," Oscar said.

Even making 152 would be a stretch, he said.

He does expect Canelo to stick around junior middleweight for awhile, though, and said that he doesn't see him jumping to 160 in the near future.

Readers, I want your take. Should Floyd ask Canelo, who is a light heavyweight on fight night, to make 147? Will he? Or will Money take the bout at 154? That'd make sense, considering some of the guff he's given Manny Pacquiao for doing catchweights, right? Weigh in, in our Forum.

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227. "lol"
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>But, if Team Mayweather said it's 147, or no deal, would and
>could Canelo make 147? "No, no, his legs are so thick, his
>neck is so thick," Oscar said.

no homo?

>Even making 152 would be a stretch, he said.

If making 152 is a stretch, 154 isnt easy-- which leads us to my next point

>He does expect Canelo to stick around junior middleweight for
>awhile, though, and said that he doesn't see him jumping to
>160 in the near future.

Making 154 isnt easy, but hes not jumping up a weightclass any time in the near future? Like they're asking Floyd to do?

>Readers, I want your take. Should Floyd ask Canelo, who is a
>light heavyweight on fight night, to make 147? Will he? Or
>will Money take the bout at 154? That'd make sense,
>considering some of the guff he's given Manny Pacquiao for
>doing catchweights, right? Weigh in, in our Forum.

147 isn't a catchweight.

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228. "Bwahahaha. So basically Canelo is scared to fight middleweights"
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If you fight at 154 and can't get lower than 152, its time
for you to move up a weight class or TWO

I bet niggas at 168 could still make 52 if they NEEDED

Wonder why that ain't the narrative here


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229. "Oscar sounding really dumb."
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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230. "Meanwhile WC is trying to convince me that Canelo wants Ward..."
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....within the next year or two...


Please call Mr. Coolidge to the mic...

  

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231. "i think it's obvious the only reason why he's still at 154 is because"
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he's *waiting* for the floyd fight
that's why he's been basically begging for it with urgency for the last yr
only other money fight at 154 is cotto and no one really wants to see that after cotto got destroyed by trout
other than that only real option is the winner of angulo/lara
maybe ishe smith(lol) since he's promoted by floyd

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233. "Sorry SouthStinkyMan, Oscar De La Hoya just RUINED your agenda. "
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If Canelo CANNOT get to 152 lbs, he is NOT
a junior middleweight. Period, end of discussion.

He's at LEAST a middlweight.

I mean, y'all shat ALL OVER Chad Dawson...he went to
168 like a MAN. Got fucked up, but didn't bitch about
it. He did it for the sport.

Canelo should. If he CAN'T, he's not a junior middleweight.
Period.

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235. "cut it out, this is no place for logic or reason"
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just bleeding anal wart level rage by pac men

  

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232. "im a card carrying objective Floyd critic..but this is bs "
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If Canelo barely can fight at 154 then he should really be at middle weight.

There are plenty of huge fight possibilities there

im not really mad at floyd for requesting a catchweight
i just think catchweights are wack in general

but if he can DEF make 154 or 151
and Nelo just cant get 147
the fight should happen
Floyd should just have a strict weight limit.


i wish there was a way to penalize how much weight he is over at fight night.

but yeah if he DEFINATELY can make 154 this fight should still happen imo

i still would like to see a Manny/Floyd match if manny beats Rios.

i like this Floyd in talks with TOP fighters
all i ask.

just dont sell me no amir khan or ortiz rematch

but if this falls through and manny steps up and fights canelo at 154
it can possibly be a really bad look for floyd.

  

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234. "As if Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. isn't SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW. "
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For what would be an uber mega fight for Mexicans.

Bwahahah @ Canelo chasing welterweights




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238. "hold up...chasing welterweights???"
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the kid is 22 years old..

He's headed to middleweight and beyond probably..

but if he can legally make these smaller weights....and in particular if there is a possible mega fight with Floyd down there...he shouldn't be in a hurry to move up before at least exploring the possibility of a fight with Floyd..

that's just smart...and something most guys have done....

people move up at a pace that benefits them in the long run...

it wasn't necessarily fair that Thomas Hearns...even though his was thin.... could make welterweight for so long and have a middleweights punching power... that shit wasn't fair really at all...but that's how the game was played...and Benitez and Leonard...CHAMPIONS.... ran to fight that dude because it was one of the big fights out there....

that's the way the game goes..

but for Floyd fans to try and reverse this shit and act like a 22 year old kid is avoiding big fights, and taking the easy way out like a 36 year old supposedly all-time great fighter ..that's just some bullshit..

Canelo and his team would be fools to go up before seeing if a fight with Floyd is gonna happen...

that shit ain't chasing nobody..it's a 22 year old dude on the rise challenging the big dog...

if the big dog is a G he'll fight em..

it's as simple as that.

  

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241. "Nah...Canelo is ducking...scared to fight guys his own size...he shook"
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If he can't drain to 152lbs, he's a middleweight

Floyd has NEVER weighed more than 151 ON FIGHT NIGHT,
let alone during the weigh in

Canelo will walk in at 170...he's a middlweight...he's just
shook


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258. "Canelo weighed 167lbs on fight night against Shane Mosley"
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>For what would be an uber mega fight for Mexicans.
>
>Bwahahah @ Canelo chasing welterweights


^^^That should be enough damning evidence if folks want to do some damning...


On average Alvarez is 165lbs or bigger on fight night. It's documented. It's out there and it's disgusting.

Let's not just make this about a possible fight with Mayweather. The weight issue is bigger than the fight. This is exactly the type of shit that ruins the sport overall. This type of shit should not be allowed. You shouldn't be allowed to fight one to two full weight classes above the contract.

PERIOD

  

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236. "what division yall think he should fight in is irrelevant"
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he makes 154 every time
deal with it
floyd has a 154 belt and is the fight EVERYONE wants
canelo is trying to make that fight, what else is he supposed to do?
if floyd doesn't want to fight at 154 then throw the belt in the trash and go bout ya business
public perception is going to be a duck regardless and he's fine with that anyway

and all the go to MW talk is kind of shortsighted
go to MW and fight quillen or jacobs? two dudes with no following and that aren't ready for him anyway?
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240. "lol...man...EVERY other fighter who could do this...has done it"
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>he makes 154 every time
>deal with it
>floyd has a 154 belt and is the fight EVERYONE wants
>canelo is trying to make that fight, what else is he supposed
>to do?
>if floyd doesn't want to fight at 154 then throw the belt in
>the trash and go bout ya business
>public perception is going to be a duck regardless and he's
>fine with that anyway
>
>and all the go to MW talk is kind of shortsighted
>go to MW and fight quillen or jacobs? two dudes with no
>following and that aren't ready for him anyway?



So now a 22 year old kid is wrong for doing the shit??? lolol..

You fight as long as you can in the smaller weight when you're young and moving up....as long as it's not detrimental to your health as far as taking the weight off...

Hearns was knockin mufukkas out at welter looking skinny as fuk....Roy made his name at middleweight.... Duran conquered lightweights..then welter...then middle...

this is what Canelo should be doing..

if he can make 154...come fukk with him at 154 or wait till he move up....either way he's playing the game to his advantage..all while looking to fight the best fighters in time...at a pace that will maximize what he can do...

cats acting like this is some new way out shit...or it's like Floyd being 36 with all them damn fight and looking for weak hitting mexican champions with a name....lol.

  

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243. "You do realize Floyd can make 140....135 even"
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If he was fighting guys at 135 you'd say he was a pussy
for not fighting guys his more natural size

Canelo is basically doing that but WORSE

He walking into the ring at 170 trying to fight Floyd who
just fought at 147 bwahahahahahahahaha

Canelo is shook

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244. "you do realize there are no fights for him at 140 or 135...."
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of the 20 guys in the ring magazine top 10 on the Jr. Welterweight rakings-140...and the lightweight rankings-135.... of all 20 of those guys there is only 1 fighter that would be pay per view worthy for floyd...and that would be Bonner...

so don't act like Floyd is doing anything special by not fighting at a lower weight....that would be dumb...hell.... he's gonna fight Amir Khan whow ranked #2 at 140..... lol... Why go down there to fight weak hitters who are shot when he could just wait for them to come up to him..


Canelo has floyd at 145 so it's worth sticking around for a minute...

  

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245. "Canelo has JCC Jr waiting at 160 but is scared..bwahaha"
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JCC is his size and that would be a mega fight

He won't do it because he's scared and would rather
chase a guy who has never weighed more than 151

Pathetic

And that he's young is even worse

When Floyd was 22 he was fighting WHOEVER he had the
chance to fight

Not cherrypicking people


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247. "he won't do it because he has other shit to do first...."
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just like in 1999 Floyd was handling Angel Manfreddy instead of moving right to figting de la Hoya .....


you sound stupid OE.... Floyd's ducking has you taking out yo ass on this one player...lolol..

  

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252. "*record scratch* Floyd was a S. FEATHERWEIGHT in 1999"
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>just like in 1999 Floyd was handling Angel Manfreddy instead
>of moving right to figting de la Hoya .....

Floyd was busy EARNING HIS KEEP FIGHTING THE BEST
GUYS who were BIGGER THAN HIM EVEN IN 1999

That's Floyd's actual size....he's TINY...he's been MOVING UP
OR FIGHTING GUYS HIS SIZE his ENTIRE CAREER

CANELO should be fighitng guys HIS SIZE...I'm not asking
him to fight at 168 right today...that woud be like Floyd did,
moving up having INTEGRITY,..beating lightweights...then junior welters....
Floyd was earning his keep when he was young, fighting
guys his size

But Canelo should be at 168 by 2014...175 even....he should
move to fight guys his size RIGHT TODAY....not trying to be
tough by challenging former featherweights

Canelo is being a PUSSY SCARED to fight guys his size



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260. "Canelo trying to get the maximum payday"
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which is floyd. any boxer in any weight class would try and fight floyd if they could (except maybe bronner though if that payday was in front of him I doubt he would decline.) So calling canelo a pussy is going a bit overboard. I am a fan of both fighters and would like to see this fight but if floyd doesn't take it I won't hold it against him.

  

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263. "Well....no fucking shit. That's not the point, though. "
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>which is floyd. any boxer in any weight class would try and
>fight floyd if they could (except maybe bronner though if that
>payday was in front of him I doubt he would decline.) So
>calling canelo a pussy is going a bit overboard. I am a fan
>of both fighters and would like to see this fight but if floyd
>doesn't take it I won't hold it against him.

I'm a fan of both fighters too.

There is an unfair and disproportionate backlash
against FLOYD, though.

And I'm calling Canelo a "pussy" to make that point:

Its wrong to call Floyd "scared" for not wanting to fight
a man who will literally outweigh him by 20lbs on fight
night and NOT call Canelo "scared" for not wanting to
fight guys who ARE his size (as in; don't outweigh him,
but are his size)

If Canelo cannot cut to 152, as his promoter suggests, he
should not be fighting at 154.





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265. "if the backlash is unfair... "
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then tell me who Floyd has fought that was (a) in his prime (b) a real challenge to his title...


name names...

  

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267. "Yeah, you're diverting attention from Canelo being scared. "
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I'll take that as concession that Canelo has no business
at 154 fighting former super featherweights

>then tell me who Floyd has fought that was (a) in his prime

>(b) a real challenge to his title...

Yeah, this question is engineered to discredit Floyd

Because Floyd FUCKED UP everybody who *was* a real challenge
to his title AFTER WHICH y'all said "He wasn't no good, he
wasn't in his prime, he wasn't a real threat"

Floyd was an UNDERDOG VERSUS DIEGO CORALLES

Remember that? Noooo you don't.

Like Ricky Hatton. In his prime, undefeated...HE MADE KOSTA
TZUYU RETIRE...Floyd FUCKED HIM UP and THEN YALL SAID: "Meh,
he wasn't that good." Then y'all called him small when he
had been at 140 LONGER than Floyd...he's at least as large
physically...Floyd was leapfrogging weight classes just to
fight the best

BOB ARUM said Floyd was too scared to fight a real
welterweight like Mosley (RIGHT AFTER Mosley's demolition
of Margarito).

Guess who Floyd fought next? Mosley. What happened? FUCKED
HIM UP, BAD.

AFTER WHICH y'all were COPPING PLEAS





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270. "no..YOU are diverting attention away from Floyd ducking challenges. "
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Wed May-22-13 09:52 PM by Warren Coolidge

  

          

>
>I'll take that as concession that Canelo has no business
>at 154 fighting former super featherweights

Canelo has a belt at 154..... So does Floyd...any excuse that justifies a fight between the 2 not happening only solidifies my point that Floyd will duck Canelo just like he ducked Manny..

the smaller guy is on roids..the bigger guy is too big...

he got all the bases covered right....

and in the meantime you get to pay your money to watch him spar against guerrero...

lucky you...lol.


>
>>then tell me who Floyd has fought that was (a) in his prime
>
>>(b) a real challenge to his title...
>
>Yeah, this question is engineered to discredit Floyd

no..it's an honest question...I already know the answer..but lets see how you twist it...

>
>Because Floyd FUCKED UP everybody who *was* a real challenge
>to his title AFTER WHICH y'all said "He wasn't no good, he
>wasn't in his prime, he wasn't a real threat"

like who???


>
>Floyd was an UNDERDOG VERSUS DIEGO CORALLES
>
>Remember that? Noooo you don't.


Canelo Alvarez was 10 years old when Floyd fought Diego..... that was 12 fukkin years ago....

since then Floyd has become the biggest boxoffice figther....

and since he's reached that status....who has he fought that was in their prime and a real challenge??


>
>Like Ricky Hatton. In his prime, undefeated...HE MADE KOSTA
>TZUYU RETIRE...Floyd FUCKED HIM UP and THEN YALL SAID: "Meh,
>he wasn't that good." Then y'all called him small when he
>had been at 140 LONGER than Floyd...he's at least as large
>physically...Floyd was leapfrogging weight classes just to
>fight the best
>
bullshit....Hatton was shot by the time he fought floyd....

shot...

done...

with the early signs honestly of.... that fight occurred at the END of Hatton's career.... the END of a guy like that's career is NOT his prime....

it's the END...




>BOB ARUM said Floyd was too scared to fight a real
>welterweight like Mosley (RIGHT AFTER Mosley's demolition
>of Margarito).
>
>Guess who Floyd fought next? Mosley. What happened? FUCKED
>HIM UP, BAD.
>
>AFTER WHICH y'all were COPPING PLEAS

again....that fight occurred at the END of Mosely's career...again..not in his prime...but at the END..

do the math...

If a guy like Mosely had 57 pro fights....and he fights a guy within the last 5 fights of that career....is that fight in his prime??? the answer is no....

it's at the END OF HIS CAREER...

Floyd fought Diego Corrales 12 years ago.......and he fought BOTH Mosely and Hatton at the END OF THEIR CAREERS..

and that's the best answer you have when confronted with the fact that Floyd's record does not contain wins over hall of fame level fighter(S) who were IN THEIR PRIMES...

He has wins over big names AT THE END OF THEIR CAREERS...and wins over popular light hitting belt holders who posed little challenge to him..

period..




  

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271. "Hatton was only at the end"
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because floyd check hooked him and manny cleaned up what was left.
he was young and undefeated.
so was Corrales.

edit: marquez was near the end of his career when floyd swept him, but he still made manny go night night

  

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272. "if you've fought more than 40 fights....and a particular fight"
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is within the LAST 5 FIGHTS of your career...then that particular fight happened AT THE END OF YOUR CAREER...

it's not in the beginning....

it's not in the middle....

it's at the end...

lol..

  

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273. "LMAO!!! It was at the END BECAUSE FLOYD ENDED HIS CAREER!! LMAO!!!!"
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HE WAS UNDEFEATED has just made MINCEMEAT of Jose Luis
Castillo and made KOSTA TZUYU RETIRE

He was NEVER THE SAME after Floyd DESTROYED HIM

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274. "Hatton was already showing signs of being punchy and shot"
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before that fight..

and honestly..if Ricky Hatton is what y'all hangin your hat on as an example of Floyd fighting the best out there...then y'all are proving my point...

  

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277. "That is an outright lie. You Sir are lying. No one thought that."
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You clearly weren't paying attention during that period of time.

No one thought that Ricky Hatton was anywhere close to shot or punchy

The only thing anyone ever said about Hatton during his ENTIRE CAREER is that he has a tendency to cut and therefore that is what drives his aggression in the ring.

He fought violently and uptempo to get the fight done because he wanted to avoid getting cut.

Ricky Hatton made Kostya Tzu QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ricky Hatton demolished Jose Luis Castillo and promptly issued a challenged Mayweather IN HIS POST FIGHT COMMENTS!!!

Many of you were saying back then that Mayweather was scared of Hatton before he could even respond to Hatton's challenge. I'm sure a post search of that period in the archives will bring perspective.

Incredible.

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276. "You do know Floyd challenged Mosley at 135lbs right?!?!....."
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...and Mosley left to fight Oscar because Floyd couldn't generate the money Mosley wanted...

Most folks thought that fight was a megafight in the making and Mosley balked. Was Mosley scared?


...Fast forward to Floyd being on top at 147.... Mosley joined in the coward calling fresh off of his destruction of Margarito



....and got fucked up for his time...


He should've fought Floyd when he was in his "prime" right???? That was one of the last times Floyd actually called out a fighter..


MOSLEY BALKED!


What happened?


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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237. "Glad you're on board. To your points:"
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>If Canelo barely can fight at 154 then he should really be at
>middle weight.


^^^Canelo regularly coming into the ring at least a full weight class above the contract weight should have been an indicator of this already. His walking into the ring north of 170lbs is telling...absolutely telling...


>There are plenty of huge fight possibilities there


^^^Particularly Martinez and JCC Jr....

>im not really mad at floyd for requesting a catchweight
>i just think catchweights are wack in general


^^^He did not request a catchweight. Floyd Sr. is insisting that if Canelo and his handlers want this fight it will take place at 147. Floyd will have to ***agree*** on a catchweight if that winds up on the negotiating table. He's not requesting anything. He is supposedly being approached.


>but if he can DEF make 154 or 151
>and Nelo just cant get 147
>the fight should happen
>Floyd should just have a strict weight limit.


^^^This is great!!! This is what most of us has been saying all along. Only difference in this opinion is that Floyd **does not have to** concede this. It would be great if he did but there should really be no fault found if he does not. 147 remains a sanctioned weight class

The other factors to consider are that Alvarez at 147 more than likely can be considered to be rated higher than any other challenger at Welterweight currently. Canelo at 147 would not be ranked lower than #3 if he secured a ranking at Welter. I suspect he'd be ranked the #1 contender since he a 154lb champion.

>
>i wish there was a way to penalize how much weight he is over
>at fight night.


^^^ I laid out some cursory rules that I thought would help in this thread. Did you see them?


>but yeah if he DEFINATELY can make 154 this fight should still
>happen imo


^^^ Maybe.... Despite Alvarez making 154 comfortably or not... Oscar has made it apparent that they intend to milk the weightclass quite a bit longer... He's already being allowed to fight above 170lbs unofficially....


>i still would like to see a Manny/Floyd match if manny beats
>Rios.


^^^Not sure I agree. Sometimes you can't just get right back in the saddle after a vicious KO loss. I think Manny should have a few more fights if they still want to salvage that fight. No one wants an excuse win, lose or draw for Mayweather or Pacquiao if and when they decide to do it.


>i like this Floyd in talks with TOP fighters
>all i ask.


^^^For feasible fights yes! Agreed. Don't shit on the mandatories either....although I prefer the "Mega" aspect for the Mayweather events.


>just dont sell me no amir khan or ortiz rematch


^^^Styles make fights but I honestly can say I'm not really interested to see either of these fights currently. Agreed.


>but if this falls through and manny steps up and fights canelo
>at 154
>it can possibly be a really bad look for floyd.

^^^I'd laugh. I don't think Pacquiao would take on Canelo at 150...much less 154. If he's still listening to Roach... Canelo will be asked to probably come down further than 147...but that remains to be seen...

Can't wait to see how this all shakes out.






"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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239. "he's headed to middleweight...he's 22 years old.... why rush to middle "
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>If Canelo barely can fight at 154 then he should really be at
>middle weight.
>
>There are plenty of huge fight possibilities there
>
>im not really mad at floyd for requesting a catchweight
>i just think catchweights are wack in general
>
>but if he can DEF make 154 or 151
>and Nelo just cant get 147
>the fight should happen
>Floyd should just have a strict weight limit.
>
>
>i wish there was a way to penalize how much weight he is over
>at fight night.

when there are big fights at lower weights that once he goes up...he won't have a chance to get at again....

every possible big fight under middleweight for Canelo is a once in a career shot...as well as a tune up for bigger guys..as he gets older..


he's 22 at the beginning of his career with a high ceiling....

we could start listing the guys who moved up too quick and fell off..



>but yeah if he DEFINATELY can make 154 this fight should still
>happen imo
>
>i still would like to see a Manny/Floyd match if manny beats
>Rios.
>
>i like this Floyd in talks with TOP fighters
>all i ask.

he got to do more than talk... he got to make fights.

>
>just dont sell me no amir khan or ortiz rematch
>
>but if this falls through and manny steps up and fights canelo
>at 154
>it can possibly be a really bad look for floyd.


the backlash for Floyd has started...Showtime nor the public is gonna be cool with the ducking and the fighting lower risk challengers.
>
>

  

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242. "Nah, he shook....he can't drain to 152...bwahaha he SCARED"
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Floyd's LARGEST RING NIGHT weight is 151...Floyd CANNOT EVEN
GET UP to the junior middleweight limit....Canelo wants to fight him
and not guys at 160!?!??! Bwahahahahahahahahaha



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246. "you honestly sound riddiculous.... you saying a 22 year old kid"
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not going right up to middleweight is doing so not because the biggest name in boxing is down at 145...but because he is shook


so all them guys who started a lower weight and gradually moved up...

uh...

When Floyd was 22 years old he was fighting at Super Featherweight...

was he too shook to move right up to Welterweight??

lolol..

It looks to me like floyd's fans are the ones who are shook because the pleas they coppin for this guy are getting more out of left field...

  

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248. "there's absolutely zero reason for canelo to move to MW right now"
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these dudes are so scared of floyd ducking yet another fighter it's ridiculous
canelo is the 154 champ. he'll fight at 154 until he CAN'T anymore.
don't be mad cause floyd stuck at 147 now looking at fighting devon alexander and other fights NOBODY gives a fuck bout cause he scared
bwhahahaha
these dudes searching for excuses for their favorite fighter to NOT fight some one so bad it's comedy
no promotional issues, no drug testing issues, no $$$ split issues
it's literally NOTHING blocking this fight except floyd
the nigga is a certified duck artist and everybody knows it at this point

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250. "gotdamb thats one helluva 180 LOL"
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>not going right up to middleweight is doing so not because
>the biggest name in boxing is down at 145...but because he is
>shook


how it go from he dont need floyd to he need to stay at WW to fight the biggest name in boxing

lmaoo

cant even keep up with ya own bullshyt

anyway Canelo aint moving up because he enjoys having his weight advantage

dude is light heavyweight who prolly walks around 180 between camps if he can hit 170 with a restricted diet and burning massive amounts of calories

he aint fighting middleweight because hes pussy and being handled to pick on smaller fighters to make up for his lack of experience and skill

not because he young and still filling out into his body and making a natural progression like floyd did

terrible comparison



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251. "Yeah these niggas got COMPLETELY thrown off their course"
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They won't even entertain at 150 lb CATCHWEIGHT....bwahahaha

Canelo can't make 150lbs!?!?!? He is a PUSSY being coddled

And he's 22?!?! PATHETIC...you're supposed to be EARNING your
keep at that age

He's BLOWN UP walking around at 180, fighting welterweights


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255. "he just unified 154 & comes into fights @ 170"
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I understand Floyd is a biggest fight but why they want to act like JCCJ or Sergio Martinez wouldn't also be a mega fight is hilarious... lol


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264. "Canelo's people ain't ignoring Chavez Jr. and Martinez..."
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it's just that the window to fight Floyd is small..and closing...

first things first..

I fully expect Canelo to be at middleweight by the age of 25 ...be a or the middleweight title holder and taking on all comers..


but again..first things first...

  

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268. "Yeah....Canelo has to challenge former super featherweights"
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Gotta get paid, right?

And fight guys he's 20+ pounds heavier
then...that's real championship shit!

Bwahahahah

Meanwhile there are legit fights with guys
HIS SIZE that he's AVOIDING

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275. "You do know that Canelo also fought Josesito Lopez right?!?..."
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....and that tendency to come in weighing close to SuperMiddle/Light Heavy was evident there too...


Bullyfoot.

  

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254. "Danny Garcia - Floyd is a WW - he's not a 154 pound fighter"
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Canelo rehydrates to 171 pounds. If Canelo can make 147 it should be a good fight....

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259. "(Link) re:The weight issue Mayweather vs Alvarez"
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Logical discussion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abyiZ50Lcx0


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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261. "is that you? lol "
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262. "Nah B... Not even close... but son is real rational with his..."
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He calls it like he sees it and his analyses are usually spot on. He always makes rational and sound points.


There's nothing wrong with being a proponent of good, common sense.


Did you listen to it? If so, what did you think?


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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266. "i'm assuming that dwyer since you agree with him lol"
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didn't click from where i'm at now
but dude is bout average in his analysis (got peterson vs. lucas dead wrong and is usually ghost on a topic if he's wrong)
honestly he's too black biased imo and adjusts his arguments to follow whatever floyd flip flops and does

if that link ain't dwyer...then nvm

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278. "LOL. Dude will admit when he's wrong but usually he's right..."
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Bwhahaahahaaa *Urrrrp*

"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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280. "hahahaha"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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the_time_is_when_god...lounge
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269. "I was just kidding, and I agree 100% with him..."
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It's right on par with what WE have been saying all this post.

He repeats a few points, but you usually have to repeat yourself to idiots

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281. "Sept 15th....."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2188141&mesg_id=2188141&listing_type=search#2188143
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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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282. "RE: Sept 15th..... (Fucking BRILLIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)"
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2188141&mesg_id=2188141&listing_type=search#2188143
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
><---- 5....
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
>
>=======================================
>Occupy Big Government..
>
>Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html


^^^^^^BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA *Urrrrrrrrrrrpppp!*



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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283. "Good lord.....hahahaah Wow"
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284. "This Is Some Stupendous Uppage"
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LMAO!

  

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285. "haha, i forgot about that"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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286. "One Mo Gin' .......Canelo is a liar."
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"Saul Alvarez: I'll Drop To 150 For Floyd Mayweather Jr."

Posted by: Jhonny Gonzalez on 11/29/2011

http://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alvarez-ill-drop-150-floyd-mayweather-jr--46563


By Jhonny Gonzalez

WBC junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (39-0-1, 29KOs) is willing to drop a few pounds to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. (42-0, 26KOs). Mayweather is the World Boxing Council's champion at 147-pounds. Alvarez has no problem facing Mayweather at a catch-weight of 150-pounds.

Last Saturday in Mexico City, Alvarez retained his title with a fifth round technical knockout of former champion Kermit Cintron.

After his win, Alvarez challenged Mayweather on national television. Mayweather is scheduled to fight on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Alvarez approached Oscar De La Hoya, President of Golden Boy Promotions, and requested a fight with Mayweather.

"It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds," said Canelo to Sal Rodriguez. "De la Hoya said he was going to pursue the Mayweather fight . We are ready for it. It's what people want, for me to fight someone like ."

  

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