College hoops watchers: direct our fellow NBA watchers who only watch the tourney toward the prospects they should keep an eye out for. This isn't reflective of who the best players at the position are on the college level, mind you. Just pro potential, personal preference, and a *guess* as to where they might be drafted. (If I haven't seen a player multiple times this season, I didn't put him on the list.)

My picks:

PG:
1a. Trey Burke, Michigan- this year's draft, mid-first rounder
1b. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse- this year's draft, mid-first rounder
3. Shane Larkin, Miami- this year's draft, late-first rounder/early second rounder... next year's draft, mid-first rounder
4. Nate Wolters, South Dakota State- this year's draft, early second rounder
5. Spencer Dinwiddie, Colorado- not until next year at soonest
6. Jerian Grant, Notre Dame- next year or later, maybe more of a 2 guard in the pros, but love this guy
7. Aaron Craft, Ohio State- next year's draft, early second rounder, maybe as high as late first rounder if he can knock down consistent 3s next year
8. Kendall Williams, New Mexico- next year's draft, maybe could play his way into the late first with another stellar season

SG:
1. Ben McLemore, Kansas- this year's draft, first pick
2. Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State- this year's draft, second or third pick
3. Victor Oladipo, Indiana- this year's draft, I'd put him top 5 but realistically closer to top 10
4a. Gary Harris, Michigan State- probably next year's draft, late lotto to mid-first round
4b. Rasheed Sulaimon, Duke- probably next year's draft, late lotto to mid-first round
6. Markel Brown, Oklahoma State- late-first to early second this year's draft, higher next year
7. Jamaal Franklin, San Diego State- this year's draft, depending on tourney play, as high as late first or as low as mid-second
8. Seth Curry, Duke- this year's draft, mid-to-late second, depending on tourney play
Honorable Mention: Jordan Adams, UCLA, who would be in the middle of this list if he wasn't injured.

SF:
1. Otto Porter, Georgetown- this year's draft- top three pick
2. Shabazz Muhammad, UCLA- this year's draft, early lotto
3. LeBryan Nash, Oklahoma State- this year's draft, early second, or next year's draft, mid-to-late first
4. DeShaun Thomas, Ohio State- this year's draft, late first/early second, or next year's draft, mid-first
5. Will Clyburn, Iowa State- this year's draft, somewhere in the second... love this guy
6. Solomon Hill, Arizona- this year's draft, mid-second round
7. Glenn Robinson III, Michigan- talented enough to come out this year and be drafted late first, but more likely to stay at least one Burkeless year to show what he can really do
8. Doug McDermott, Creighton- this year's draft, late-first to mid-second, would be about the same next year

PF:
1. Cody Zeller, Indiana- this year's draft, early lotto
2. Anthony Bennett, UNLV- this year's draft, early lotto
3. Andre Roberson, Colorado- probably next year, late first round to early second
4. Richard Howell, NC State- this year's draft, mid-to-late second
5. Patric Young, Florida- this year's draft, early second, next year's draft late first
6. Ryan Kelly, Duke- this year's draft, mid-to-late second
7. Trevor Mbakwe, Minnesota- this year's draft, mid-to-late second
8. Kenny Kadji, Miami- this year's draft, mid-to-late second

C:
1. Mason Plumlee, Duke- this year's draft, mid-to-late lotto
2. Kelly Olynyk, Gonzaga- this year's draft, mid-to-late lotto
3. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville- this year's draft, late first
4. Jeff Withey, Kansas- this year's draft, late first
5. Steven Adams, Pitt- next year at soonest, maybe two more, but dude's size and developing skill in the paint will make him a lotto pick one day
6. Zeke Marshall, Akron- only seen him once, but I'd draft him based on length and shot blocking and hope he develops more

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>College hoops watchers: direct our fellow NBA watchers who
>only watch the tourney toward the prospects they should keep
>an eye out for. This isn't reflective of who the best players
>at the position are on the college level, mind you. Just pro
>potential, personal preference, and a *guess* as to where they
>might be drafted. (If I haven't seen a player multiple times
>this season, I didn't put him on the list.)
>
>My picks:
>
>PG:
>1a. Trey Burke, Michigan- this year's draft, mid-first
>rounder
>1b. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse- this year's draft,
>mid-first rounder
>3. Shane Larkin, Miami- this year's draft, late-first
>rounder/early second rounder... next year's draft, mid-first
>rounder
>4. Nate Wolters, South Dakota State- this year's draft, early
>second rounder
>5. Spencer Dinwiddie, Colorado- not until next year at
>soonest
>6. Jerian Grant, Notre Dame- next year or later, maybe more of
>a 2 guard in the pros, but love this guy
>7. Aaron Craft, Ohio State- next year's draft, early second
>rounder, maybe as high as late first rounder if he can knock
>down consistent 3s next year
>8. Kendall Williams, New Mexico- next year's draft, maybe
>could play his way into the late first with another stellar
>season


I dont think Aaron Craft is an NBA player, but maybe if he can fix his jumper he's got a shot. If Steve Blake can stick around, so can Craft

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Last I checked, they weren't.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have left off Noel, Len, Jefferson, etc.

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I imagine he'll go somewhere in the second next year.

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I think you were a little generous on Next Year's draft prospects for some of these guys. The lottery is gonna be extra tight.

I was gonna ask, "Where's Mitch McGary?" Then I looked up his stats. Seems like his role has been marginalized a shit load.

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Hard to develop to full potential when the offense is "Give the ball to Burke and watch." (Not that Burke isn't very good at delivering... but still.)

I think this draft is pretty strong up top and in the second... it's the middle where it lags. I think McLemore, Smart, and Oladipo are exceptional. Porter is a beast. If Noel is healthy, he's a strong prospect obviously. And there are plenty of bigs with the bodies to become pros-- it's just a development issue. Plus, this second round may have Dieng, Young, Kabongo, Nash (maybe), Hill, Clyburn, Snaer, Kadji, Kelly, Howell, Wolters, Roberson (maybe), Leslie (maybe... but ugh). I'd bet on a decent number of those to stick.

It's just that 15 to 30 range that's weak. Some Euros, James McAdoo, whichever of your boys decide to jump too soon (no offense). C'mon.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people projected mid to late first comes back, and the second rounders I like sneak into the late first.

Sucks for teams that didn't get a point guard before this draft or next. Relatively slim pickings in both drafts.

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There might be too many pgs really.

Some of these older cats need to be pushed out like Felton, Nash, and so on.

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I actually think the Lakers are going to be in a great position, since Burke and MCW will be late lotto or mid first. Same for the Jazz, who need a non-Mo PG, and the Bucks, who need a Jennings replacement.

Orlando is who I really feel for. They need a non-Jameer PG stat, and there won't be one. Though I guess they need so much that they shouldn't dwell too much on one position.

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Like Kabongo will be good, but he ain't beating out Mo Williams or Steve Nash.

They still trying to trot Jason Kidd out there.

Most of those average guys are gonna be average forever and sticking around. ***looks at Mario Chalmers***

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Burke or MCW can replace Mo or a 40 year old Nash just fine. They're high risk high reward guys, but their strengths can certainly be complimented with a strong supporting cast.

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He's still around.

And about to get another contract.

All of those players who are seemingly better, never get that job.

And I have no idea what Calderon does well. He's like a steady-qb in street football.

He brings the ball up and that's it. Hits his free throws.

Somebody like Tony Wroten has more natural pg talent than anybody in this year's draft. He might never play.

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So while I agree some old guard dudes simply stick, young first rounders absolutely do stick.

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Lmao, and as I type this I'm listening to you say "What are the (Zellers) gonna do run real fast together?"

Wiggy, Jabari are both tough.

This year's is gonna have a lot of bigs though.

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Better than last year's.

I think McLemore, Smart, and Oladipo are top 5 talent.

Combine that with the bigs? And Otto? And the abundance of senior steals in the second that could stick? That's a prettaaaaaay pretty damn good draft class.

Like I said, it's really just that post lotto first round that has some serious gaps.

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I wouldn't even put the rest of those guys as better than Beal, Waiters, or probably even Lamb (if his confidence isn't completely shot from not playing).

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I can see the questions about Oladipo (well... I can't, but I'll allow them), because he's not the heart of the offense on every play.

But Smart is awesome. His upside might even be higher than McLemore's, as long as no one tries to turn him into a pure PG (ugh). Tell him to be the next D-Wade and let the man blossom. Not that he even needs to learn how to shoot a consistent 3 with the skillset, strength, and quickness he has, but if he did? Sheeeeeeit. He's a sneaky good defender too. I would draft dude at #2 without blinking.

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I can admit I don't watch any Non-Kentucky games now. I rely on watching knowledge of HS reps, draft evals, and watching those scouting reports.

I'll check for Smart though.

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Between Smart, Brown, and Nash, they have a crazy dynamic offense, they run the court, they play tough D. They could be more efficient and could turn the ball over less, but that's more a product of their youth than anything else.

I look at Smart, I see Wade. A less efficient Wade at the moment, yes, but with time, he has all the potential-- strength, height, wingspan, athleticism, speed, defense, and the desire to thrive at the end of close games. Like I said, his only downsides right now are lack of 3 pointer (but Wade's done fine without one) and turnovers (due to basically running a young team).

I think if they can beat an angry Oregon, they're an Elite Eight team. I think Brown and Smart could give Siva and Smith fits, and when those two play poorly, Louisville is super vulnerable.

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The only player I've kept tabs on for OKS is Nash.

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his conditioning was nowhere near where it needed to be

and it cost him a lot of PT earlier in the year

A couple other prospects though:

PG
Russ Smith, Louisville- Early to mid second round this year, maybe sneaks into the late first next year

PF
James Michael McAdoo, North Carolina- Mid to late 1st round. Lacks toughness, lacks a low post game, inconsistent with his jump shot. Given the way his stock's fallen this year though, I don't see him coming back and watching it continue to fall.

CJ Leslie, NC St.- Late 1st, early 2nd. The potential's there, I expect some coach to think they can get his mind right and take a flier on him.

Between the lack of desire, the inconsistency, and the tweener style of play, I'm over both.

I'd take Richard Howell over both. He's gonna be an A+ bamma steal in the second.

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If NC St's able to get it together and meet Indiana in the 2nd round, I expect Howell to eat Zeller alive down low. Glad to see him finally moving up on these draft boards.

Mid first rounder.

Depending on need even late lotto.

he's better than Cole Aldrich was

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he'll be better as a big PG than a small SG

hell cant even say he'll be a big PG

dude only 6'2

but yea

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But he puts the ball in the basket with such efficiency in such a wide variety of ways that I'd be surprised if a team doesn't take a shot with him as a bench guy.

But yeah, especially considering his defensive deficiency, he's got some hard work ahead of him.

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Seth Curry can contribute somewhere lol

which is strange because the younger brother is almost always better


all those years of getting handled by big brother...

He hasn't practiced nearly all year, he's just rolling out for the games. It usually means he's hot for about a half at a time.

I agree that Steph is obviously better. He's slightly bigger, which helps, and he appears to be faster. But seeing how good Seth has been with zero practice, and while playing hurt he can still cross dudes up and penetrate effectively... I just wonder. His size is his main downside, as he's a scorer, not a distributor-- Stephen was always more of the facilitating scorer, whereas Seth just fills it up. If he was 6'5, this'd be a different story.

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...at the time this post was created he qualified, but has since been eliminated by Butler.

is he my top prospect? nah, but i'd like to see him in a workout with Plumlee and Zeller. he uses both hands well to score in the paint, but has other skills too (passing, rebounding, Patriot League POY and DPOY). not supremely athletic, but he moves, cuts and gets down the floor pretty well.

he'd be an ideal Spur. a late 1st round pick. more likely a 2nd rounder or camp invitee. solid role player.

Jamie Dixon has done a terrible job developing Mcdonalds All Americans

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While I like Kazemi, Wyatt, and Lyons, I'm not convinced any of them are drafted. Kazemi the likeliest of the three, I suppose.

Comer and a couple of those athletes on FGCU could get drafted if they stay and build together. I don't think Sherwood Brown really has a chance... maybe a late second rounder, almost certainly should get an invite to summer league. Maybe if they beat Florida, he sneaks into the second.

Vander Blue could build his stock with another big year. Doubtful he'd be drafted this year.

Mitch McGary was always going to need another year, but this should really fuel the next-year-lottery buzz I alluded to elsewhere in the post.

I'm not terribly high on Allen Crabbe, but he'll be drafted. Same for Russ Smith. He's a likely second rounder who doesn't really fit necessarily but he puts it in the bucket so well and defends so feistily that he'll get a shot.

Adreian Payne is farther along than I thought he'd be at season's beginning. He's a specimen, but his development is nice. He'd be a late-first/early-second guy this year, could push towards lotto next year.

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>Mitch McGary was always going to need another year, but this
>should really fuel the next-year-lottery buzz I alluded to
>elsewhere in the post.

i have a feeling he's gonna stick two more years

i also have a vague feeling that Trey Burke may not be gone this year either

>>Mitch McGary was always going to need another year, but
>this
>>should really fuel the next-year-lottery buzz I alluded to
>>elsewhere in the post.
>
>i have a feeling he's gonna stick two more years
>
>i also have a vague feeling that Trey Burke may not be gone
>this year either

I have a feeling Lil Dog goes this year too..he looks disinterested a lot imo ( I'm hoping he goesbc I dont want to face him next year now that he's gaining experience lol)

if they dont accomplish what they feel like they can accomplish

or conversely, end up on top of the mountain a la UF 2006

it wouldnt be THAT surprising

he isnt a consensus top 3 pick

>i also have a vague feeling that Trey Burke may not be gone
>this year either

There's no way his stock can get higher, because of his size. Why risk the injury?

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>There's no way his stock can get higher, because of his size.

Cuz only one 6'0 point guard has gone lotto in the last four years (only two 6' and under have even gone in the first in the last four years), and only five in the last decade. And since four of those five are DJ Augustin, TJ Ford, Jonny Flynn, and Sebastian Telfair, teams are understandably more hesitant to draft guys that short.

Burke is likely the first PG drafted this year, in a very weak draft year for PGs. This is likely his best chance to go lotto, especially with next year's lotto looking extremely top-heavy already with incoming studs, and with Harrison likely a one-and-done, this is likely his best chance to be the first PG drafted as well.

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if you're saying he wont be drafted as high next year because of other ppl, thats one thing

but if you're saying he cant do anything to be more NBA-ready than he is now? i disagree

foh with a guy choosing to enter in a stronger draft and losing money because he's not completely "NBA ready" yet.

Yet they go in and build and contribute and many of those lotto underclassmen develop as expected. Plus, you know, paid.

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he's tall, jumps out the gym and definitely has NBA range (shooting 40% from three this year). he's been the best scorer on cuse with a 60% TS.

maybe he's too much of a tweener? nbadraft.net has him going in the late second round.

The fact that he's already 22 will likely scare many teams away from drafting him too, I would imagine. But if they can knock off the 1 seed and maybe make a Final Four run with him white-hot, it'd be tough for someone to not take a chance on him in the 50s.

I actually like CJ Fair's chances a little more, since he'll have another year to improve again (though he'll also be 22), to be an eventual second-round pick.

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you're probably not gonna even be passable on defense in the NBA.

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he's not a pro prospect. he's a terrible defender, can't create his own shot, doesn't have a position and isn't a good rebounder.

MCW is the one nba talent on that roster, but he's not smart with the ball. christmas, coming in, was supposed to be but he hasn't done shit. southerland isn't nba talent and fair has the heart, but he's not talented enough.

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>he's tall, jumps out the gym and definitely has NBA range
>(shooting 40% from three this year). he's been the best scorer
>on cuse with a 60% TS.
>
>maybe he's too much of a tweener? nbadraft.net has him going
>in the late second round.
>

could be said of wes johnson.
lord knows I loves my Orange, but as pros, I ain't sold on none of the wings.

and should at minimum have the opportunity to beast on someone's D-League squad.

i still blame hip-hop.