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by Ryan Maquinana

Mayweather rips Ward, ‘S.O.G.’ won’t back down
March 13, 2013, 7:45 pm

Floyd Mayweather, generally recognized as the best boxer in the world, abruptly criticized Oakland super middleweight world champion Andre Ward on his religion and his drawing power on Wednesday.

The inflammatory remarks conveniently came following Ward’s announcement that he would be supporting childhood friend Robert Guerrero (31-1-1, 18 KOs) as he challenges Mayweather for the WBC welterweight world title on May 4 in Las Vegas.

“I don’t really know Andre Ward,” Mayweather (43-0, 26 KOs) told FightHype.com. “I don’t have anything negative or bad to say about Andre Ward. Nothing against him, and like I said before, anybody has a right to call themselves whatever name they want to call themselves. He calls himself ‘S.O.G.’ If I’m not mistaken, that stands for Son of God.

"Last time I checked, we’re all God's children. When one fighter is facing another fighter, God don’t choose sides. What’s going to happen in life is going to happen. Everything is already planned out…I ain't never seen a pastor boxing. I ain't never seen a reverend boxing. I say a prayer that my opponent lives to fight another day and I live to fight another day. You got these guys trying to hurt a man on Saturday and then going to praise the Lord on Sunday.”

Mayweather, who either omitted or may not realize that heavyweight legends George Foreman and Evander Holyfield were both ordained ministers during their respective careers, continued to disparage Ward, switching the focus of his diatribe to mainstream recognition.

“I mean, it’s okay. If I remember correctly, I sold out an arena in the Bay Area maybe 12 or 13 years ago,” Mayweather said of his 2001 victory over Jesus Chavez at the San Francisco Bill Graham Civic Auditorium. “Not knocking Andre Ward, but he can't sell tickets nowhere. He can't sell tickets in Las Vegas.”

Though his fight with Chavez packed the house, Mayweather seemed to have forgotten that four years later, his lack of star power at the time was evident when he knocked out Henry Bruseles inside a relatively empty American Airlines Arena in Miami.

In fact, Mayweather didn’t reach A-side status on a pay-per-view bout until 2006—his 10th year as a professional—when he outpointed Zab Judah. Ward (26-0, 14 KOs), who won Olympic gold in 2004, hasn’t even reached his ninth full year in the pro ranks. While Mayweather acknowledged Ward’s skills, he felt that the East Bay star still had work to do in the box office.

“This is the only guy I know that's a gold medalist, but don't nobody know he's a gold medalist,” said Mayweather, whose amateur career ended with a bronze medal in the 1996 Olympics. “He's a gold medalist, but he's making money like he don't even got a medal.

“Like I said before, Andre Ward, he's a good fighter, but who knows him? If you're not in Oakland, you don't even know who he is. He's getting older and time is ticking, so I mean, when is he going to ever leave Oakland and put asses in seats somewhere else?”

Ward, who has stated numerous times in the past that he’s a fan of Mayweather’s, has cleaned out the 168-pound division and has elevated to No. 2 on Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound rankings. With Ward closing in on Mayweather’s status as the top fighter in the world regardless of weight class, one can only speculate the main reason behind Wednesday’s tirade.

“You know, you got fighters, sometimes, they speak on certain situations where the thing is this,” said Mayweather, who will be making a reported minimum of $30 million in his fight with Guerrero. “Like I always tell you before, when you're a fighter getting a million dollars, a million-dollar fighter like Andre Ward, if anything, you need to come to my camp so you can learn the blueprint on how to sell out arenas worldwide.

Mayweather then concluded his invective by comparing Ward to rising lightweight sensation Adrien Broner, whose flamboyant style both in and out of the ring have many hailing him as the second coming of Floyd.

“I got the blueprint on how to sell out arenas worldwide,” Mayweather said. “We know Adrien Broner is more known than Andre Ward. He don’t even have an amateur background. got a gold medal? Let me get it and I'll melt it down and get a medallion made.”

When approached by FightHype for a reaction to Mayweather’s comments, Ward’s response was short and directly to the point.

“If Floyd Mayweather has a problem with me or something that I said, he can pick up the phone and we can talk about it like men,” Ward said.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyGiBjuQARM

y'all talking about Guerrero looked shook with Mayweather in front of a green screen

but

Broner looked SHOOK in the video above

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you mad as fuck

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guerrero called out broner before anyone of the 2 were linked to mayweather. and broner was shook. that's an unbiased statement, and i'm not even a sports journalist. you should try it sometime...

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and broner was shook. that's an unbiased
>statement,

LOL

>and i'm not even a sports journalist. you should
>try it sometime...

yes. I, and sports writers everywhere, should take
heed to your glimmering journalistic wisdom.

Thanks.


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You were born of Crazy Horse,
unafraid of Beowulf's wolves
before this time of melee.

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#TruSparta x #Innerstanding

>and broner was shook. that's an unbiased
>>statement,
>
>LOL
>
>>and i'm not even a sports journalist. you should
>>try it sometime...
>
>yes. I, and sports writers everywhere, should take
>heed to your glimmering journalistic wisdom.
>
>Thanks.
>

all i gotta say my pieces on music have been published in print and i've done all kinds of media up and down cali...with very little effort. but i'm not a sports writer. stick to being a fitness model my man. that's your strength. or else stop being so biased towards mayweather in your articles about boxing, as if your rep on these forums don't spill over into your online journalism. i guess you gotta do what you gotta do to land that exclusive with the mayweather camp. i'm a game giver, not taker.

like the article above written by my man ryan, a fellow filipino...that article is more biased twd a region than any boxers. follow him on twitter, he knows what's up.

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>all i gotta say is my shit has been published and i've done
>all kinds of media up and down cali, with very little effort.

Where might one be able to view your work?

>but i'm not a sports writer. stick to being a fitness model
>my man. that's your strength.

at least you can admit i'm a superior athlete to you. Appreciate that.

or else stop being so biased
>towards mayweather in your articles about boxing. you don't
>think your rep on this forum carries over to your journalistic
>career? i'm a game giver, not taker.

You obviously haven't ready my work. And as far as my 'rep' goes -
I have a good one and my work/credentials speaks for itself. I am not
going to please everyone (clearly not you) - but that was never the intent.
It is interesting how you have made this discussion personal. lol. You ok?

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media company i'm with has done work with karim mayfield, doniare, and ward. i've done media work with female boxers as well. i'm not trying to get hardcore with it tho. associates back home are doing a general sports talk show on public access tv in SF. i'm real excited to work on that...

ps. i don't want to get disrespectful with you vex. you've always been level headed but, if i may state my opinion, your boxing journalism is very biased towards mayweather. so my apologies if i'm coming off disrespectful or speaking to you in a condescending manner. you can reply to this and if i need to reply to you any more, i'll just inbox you. peace my man.

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>media company i'm with has done work with karim mayfield,
>doniare, and ward. i've done media work with female boxers as
>well. i'm not trying to get hardcore with it tho. associates
>back home are doing a general sports talk show on public
>access tv in SF. i'm real excited to work on that...

May I ask where I can see the work? I'm not trying to goad, I'm
genuinely interested in checking it out.

>ps. i don't want to get disrespectful with you vex. you've
>always been level headed but, if i may state my opinion, your
>boxing journalism is very biased towards mayweather. so my
>apologies if i'm coming off disrespectful or speaking to you
>in a condescending manner. you can reply to this and if i
>need to reply to you any more, i'll just inbox you. peace my
>man.

Respect - I have no ill will at all. I don't think I've been biased towards
Mayweather (although I am complimentary of him) - I just think that
he's been vindicated in many ways in the past 3-5 years, be it his
performances inside the ring, his stance against PEDs (some of which
was certainly self-serving, but he was still on the right side of that argument) -
and his overall business model.

I have been critical of him in the past and still am critical of him for never
fighting Pacquiao. He missed out on an opportunity to really take his
ledger to a new stratosphere had he been the one to stop Pacquiao like
Marquez did (and I think he likely would have)...but now he is in the hunt
for a mega-fight (perhaps against Canelo) that will bring him to the absolute
height where few if any have reached. Pacquiao could've been that legacy/once
in a generation type opponent for him, but will unfortunately probably never
see it.

That said, I think he gets unfairly criticized for hand-picking opponents - particularly
since his comeback. I fully expect him to take another tough fight after he
outclasses Guerrero (which I expect to happen) - and I don't think people will
be able to be credible in that outdated criticism if/when he fights Canelo.

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You were born of Crazy Horse,
unafraid of Beowulf's wolves
before this time of melee.

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Andre Ward's Manager Drops Bombs on Floyd Mayweather
Posted by: Boxing Clever on 3/13/2013 .


In response to an earlier story on BoxingScene.com , where WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. took several shots at WBC/WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward - James Prince, the current manager of Ward and ex-manager of Mayweather, had plenty to say in response to Floyd Jr.'s unexpected verbal jabs.

"First of all I don't know what demonic spirit jumped into Mayweather causing him to try to assassinate my fighter's character because he is a fighter and a man of God - as if it's a sin to worship God and fight. It goes to show his ignorance in the word of God because there are prophets throughout the Bible that were fighters, warriors, hit men - and none of them were punks. So for Mayweather to attack a man's spirituality because he has been friends with Robert Guerrero since they were kids and he's riding with him is just an excuse to voice his haterism that's really in his heart for me and Dre," Prince said in a statement to BoxingScene.com.

"Dre never had nothing but respect for this dude, but if he thinks there is something weak about Andre Ward - then he can eat some steaks and put some weight on his ass so Dre can whip it. Not knocking Floyd Mayweather, but he knows he couldn't draw flies to a dumpster until he beat Oscar De la Hoya. I know this is true because I was managing him when he couldn't sell out his hometown of Grand Rapids or the San Francisco Auditorium, which only seats 6,000 people."

"By the way, any man that represented the United States of America and won a gold medal is not only known, but appreciated by all Americans - something Floyd didn't accomplish. And that invitation on his blueprint for knowing how to get millions - we pass on that, because we know how to make millions, but more importantly, how to keep it."

"And yeah, I see how he's trying to befriend Broner so he won't be faced with Broner gettin' in his ass. But at the end of the day, he would have a problem with Broner because Broner is a real one. And Floyd knows, like I know, that he's uncomfortable with real men around him."

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i doubt Floyd responds to J Prince, he probably forgot who Wards manager was

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>i doubt Floyd responds to J Prince, he probably forgot who
>Wards manager was
>

he seems like a smart dude
wonder how he got himself in that clusterfuck
managed by JPrince promoted by Goosen?
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hilarious. i love goosen's (the trainer)shirts he wears on fight nights. he's like the craig sager of boxing. ok maybe not that extreme.

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the suge of texas and once ran into floyd's gym cuz floyd jr owe him $2M

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doesn't seem to be a ton of interest in this fight and Canelo took his ball and went home since Floyd doesn't want to fight him
no one cares about Guerrero, so Floyd is trying to generate buzz going at one of the most respected boxers in the game right now

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when j prince gets involved...shit just got gangster for real

I was loving Floyd for getting in Ward's ass, but the CEO of Rap-A-Lot? Please retort, Floyd!

...Ether!...old as Mayweather still talkin shit, while handpicking his opponents...brother said start eatin some steaks if you wanna step to Ward...lol....

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

couldn't fill seats under your management? Self-ether.

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"Like 4 out of 5 things you say on OKP offend me." -FireBrand

i still blame hip-hop.

"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

pretty tepid "hate" to me.

i still blame hip-hop.

2009: Floyd is scared of Pacquiao!

2013: Floyd got dissed by Andre Ward's trainer!


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I wish people were Pacquiao fans, and that explained
the vitriol.

Trendone is Filipino, so he's just mad, and I respect that,
but he's mad at Floyd for stuff that has nothing to do with
Pacquiao at this stage. He just wants Floyd to lose...because.

And Michaelo is Mexican, has no reason to dislike Floyd
whatsoever. Like, none at all. Floyd done gave Marquez,
Ortiz and now Guerrero their biggest paydays ever (at the
time they fought Floyd).

And everyone else is just....mad, for some other reason.

I will say that Southphillyman has mostly shut his mouth
since the Pacquiao knockout. He won't outright concede
an L but his tone is mad somber on here and he don't drum
up controversy.

Its an embarrassment

what does me being mexican have anything to do with floyd being an asshole? by that logic i suppose you're riding for floyd and his crackhead dad and uncle so hard cuz they're black??

floyd could win 100 more fights, or lose the rest of his career. he's still going to be an ignorant asshole. for some reason that is so hard for you floyd stans to swallow.

since you girls want to bring manny into it; i'll just say floyd proved how stupid he really is for not fighting manny, knocking him out instead of marquez AND earning the biggest payday of "money" mayweather's career.

until the andre berto fight, i gave robert guerrero no respect. he won me over. i think he'll make it entertaining at least.

oscar delahoya made floyd a star. and oscar still makes money off floyd. so basically oscar is his boss.

OE...no te awites mijo.

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>what does me being mexican have anything to do with floyd
>being an asshole? by that logic i suppose you're riding for
>floyd and his crackhead dad and uncle so hard cuz they're
>black??

You missed my point, but I forgot who I was talking to,
should have figured that.

I TOLERATE the hate from Filipinos because they are
devastated that their hero and countryman was defeated.

I DON'T tolerate the hate from anyone else (Mexican,
or any other ethnicity) because that Floyd hate has nothing
to do WITH BOXING.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING
and y'all just come up with double standards and reasons
to dislike EVERYTHING.

I'm saying you have no BOXING reason to dislike
Floyd. And if Floyd is an asshole as a PERSON, it
shouldn't tweak your views of him as a BOXER. Lots of
celebrities are awful people; you've CHOSEN to hate
Floyd worse than anyone else.

I don't hear you chirping about how Julio Cesar Chavez
Jr. is a spoiled brat prick and a cheater.

Or did I?

Oh, ok.

Double standard.

>floyd could win 100 more fights, or lose the rest of his
>career. he's still going to be an ignorant asshole. for some
>reason that is so hard for you floyd stans to swallow.

I don't know him personally. I know of his legal trangressions.

You hate him like he did something to you PERSONALLY and you
let the hate spill over into how you view him as a BOXER.

There is NOTHING to dislike about him as BOXER OR as am ambassador
for boxing. He's done wonders for a sport that YOU TEACH. He's made
YOU MONEY. He's got more young people interested in the sport than
ANYONE in the last decade.

And he didn't cheat like Chavez Jr, who you didn't criticize.

>since you girls want to bring manny into it; i'll just say
>floyd proved how stupid he really is for not fighting manny,
>knocking him out instead of marquez AND earning the biggest
>payday of "money" mayweather's career.


Nah, Money won. Didn't give a penny to Bob Arum and is still
the wealthiest man in the sport.

>until the andre berto fight, i gave robert guerrero no
>respect. he won me over. i think he'll make it entertaining at
>least.

Well, if we're talking about BOXING, I'm in the camp that
says Floyd is aging and is ready to lose any day now. Won't
take a great fighter. Just a really hungry fighter and a
rough night for Floyd. Happens to everyone.

>oscar delahoya made floyd a star. and oscar still makes money
>off floyd. so basically oscar is his boss.

Actually, no, but I'd be mad if was you too.

>OE...no te awites mijo.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

>I'm saying you have no BOXING reason to dislike
>Floyd. And if Floyd is an asshole as a PERSON, it
>shouldn't tweak your views of him as a BOXER.


you loud but wrong guy.

>
>>I'm saying you have no BOXING reason to dislike
>>Floyd. And if Floyd is an asshole as a PERSON, it
>>shouldn't tweak your views of him as a BOXER.
>
>
>you loud but wrong guy.

what *boxing* reason is there to dislike floyd?

I think what he's saying is (if i may use an analogy) --
if you dislike LeBron for whatever reason (the decision for example)
- that shouldn't be used to be blind of his on the court exploits.

Alike, if you dislike Floyd's persona, that shouldn't necessarily
make you unable to give him his due as a boxing genius...that is,
if you truly love to watch pure boxing.

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other than to pad his record

if he came out of retirement to make the most money he could

that fight was Pac

if he came out of retirement to fight the best fighters

that fight was Pac

these fights over the last 3 years or so (whenever the Pac hype started)

are my problem with Floyd

he's the undisputed PFP fighter

has been for awhile

but at this point, he's just padding his record

when it never really was necessary

he could have stayed retired and still be revered in the same manner

I don't think any of these recent fights have been inspiring

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

>other than to pad his record

but, he was predicted to lose each of these post-comeback fights by prominent, respected analysts and wannabe analysts on this very board. you dudes been wanting it both ways for YEARS. you get hyped watching bammas drink pee and train real hard and pretend to look confident and you start making your dumb predictions. then, when he outclasses them... "oh, this fight shoulda never happened" "he scared of pac"

>if he came out of retirement to make the most money he could
>
>that fight was Pac

yeah...it WAS. pac ain't hold up his end. he got knocked out by a dude floyd goose egged.

>if he came out of retirement to fight the best fighters
>
>that fight was Pac

pac was ONE of the best. floyd fought the other ones. and beat 'em easily.

>these fights over the last 3 years or so (whenever the Pac
>hype started)
>
>are my problem with Floyd
>
>he's the undisputed PFP fighter
>
>has been for awhile

what's a while? you mean AFTER pac started taking Ls again? because when pac was walking through punches and meleeing bammas to death, he was the P4P king by all major news outlets.


>but at this point, he's just padding his record

please. what he doing is hurting feelings. he's fighting good fighters.

>when it never really was necessary
>
>he could have stayed retired and still be revered in the same
>manner

he's held up his end and continued to be the best fighter on earth. what's happened is HATERS have dominated and altered the narrative because they mad.

>I don't think any of these recent fights have been inspiring

not to you.

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when they have the option to make twice the money with half the work?

you doing alot in this post

I get it

you hate Pac

I'm sayin

here

and now

Floyd is better off having taken the fight

than having the Pac questions follow him for the rest of his career

these last few years are a wash

and most will remember them for who he didn't fight

.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Made money on his own that he didn't make on Arum's
terms, didn't fight any Arum fighters, made money his
own way.

Its actually genius and one of the great fuck yous to
an exploitive former boss, ever.

Its really that simple.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

when did we start clappin' to purses and PPV buys

I care about my guy beat your guy

.

he had the chance to do that

chose not to

for whatever reason

totally his choice

and that's my problem with Floyd

he had the opportunity to be the GOAT

and chose not to

I really don't care what the excuse is

boxing is unique in that you get to choose your opponent

back to my original point

if his motive for coming out of retirement

was to either make the most money he could and/or fight the best opponent available

it is clear at this point he chose not to do either

.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

He gave us plenty of thrills, moments of wonder, things
to be impressed by.

He doesn't owe you anything.

He's a brilliant boxer and has been a pleasure to box

And he made money for lots of fighters, empowered the
fighter in this exploitive game, demonstrated how to
build a brand out of nowhere.

Its a great career, and a fabulous boxing story.

*shrugs*

Your loss. I've enjoyed it.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

>than having the Pac questions follow him for the rest of his
>career

theres no pacquaio questions following floyd. marquez erased that.

>these last few years are a wash

only with floyd is continuing to reign supreme over your sport a wash

>and most will remember them for who he didn't fight

only the haters


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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

and Pac taking an L to Bradley and getting KTFO by Marquez

and his name is still in a PBF post

back to my original point

if he came out of retirement to fight the best opponent and/or make the most money possible

he's done neither

.

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you can't understand it with an explanation

imo he demands more than his due credit... he's a helluva boxer but he doesn't take risks for the sake of the sport or entertainment... the only reason his fights make the coin are his mouth and folks want him to lose.. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the top 3 PfP arguably #1.. but he acts insulted that anybody else could be considered as if he thinks he should be ranked #1 through 10... trying to take shots at Andre Ward like that is a chump move too.. It's not as if either of them is going to move 15 lbs to make a fight.. what Wards manager said about pre 2006 Floyd is right on the money too.. and let's face it half the folks he's fought since then are or were in their sunset..Ortiz was compelling but he'd already been proven to lack true heart... Ward impressed me more in the Super 6 (and I even used to like to detract from his ish some but after that tournament it's hard to argue).. I don't see Floyd ever going in for that kind of format.

My main problem with Floyd is he doesn't really seem to love boxing.. he loves himself and making money.. he not a fan of the sport at all.

personally I don't give a shit about the PPV numbers.. I like good entertaining fights often with cats I ain't even heard of more than most the PPV shit anyway... seriously that 50cent card was a thoroughly entertaining evening.

I bet Floyd ain't even got anything good to say about B-Hop if asked.. man fuck that Hobo... let him come and Curtis Woodhouse me IDGAF.

>My main problem with Floyd is he doesn't really seem to love
>boxing.. he loves himself and making money.. he not a fan of
>the sport at all.

Like, this is literally the opposite of true, and you don't
have to like Floyd to get this right.

He loves boxing more than anyone in the sport the last
15 years. That's actually his secret. He's a savant and
student of it. You can't be as good as he is at it and
not love it. Floyd LOVES boxing. LOVES it.

He just found a loophole and learned how to make money
while not walking into punches. That's why you're mad. Y'all
think these guys who walk into right hands "love boxing." They
don't. They just aren't good enough at it to avoid being hit
the way Floyd is.

Floyd isn't Roy Jones Jr., whose physical gifts outpaced
his boxing IQ. He is great specifically because he loves
to box. More than anyone.

real respect too(I'd love to see it)... is there tape of him talking about a good fight?(show me I'm sure I'm wrong)besides even you used the term loophole... but I'm not above eating crow so show me some of him giving humble respect for the tradition of the sport.

you think he's got Ward? He's good enough possibly he could.. I think Andre's got some holes.. that'd be a fucking great fight but really... that's the real crazy talk right there lol given that at both their lightest there was 30 lbs difference.. still Floyd don't even respect a Gold Medal.. 'n his shit's Bronze thinkin it dont stink? GFOH... he's a better MEME these days than a fight...

look at this shit coming up on paper... 2003 was the last time that Floyd has been as light as Guerrero was three fights ago in 2011. Guerrero just jumped 12 to 13 lbs for his last two.. Floyd has never jumped more than 7 which he did for his last fight against Cotto(shot since 2008)...

this shit is a washout... Guerrero surprised and showed some real intangibles but we knew Berto had fatal flaws... thoroughly enjoyed that fight even though neither of them can box @ floyds level.. but Floyd acts like there never was anybody even close or worth watching...

man I gotta meeting to get to I can't be bullshitting bout this hobo i don't even like doing it that much when I got time... I'd rather talk about Pernell or a dozen others any day.

Morales/Barrera
Ward/Gatti
Pernell/DLH/Trinidad/Hopkins/Forrest/Mosley/Jones Jr

it doesn't seem too long ago

that there were more than a handful of fighters

that could match up at any given moment

and give us a quality fight

today, we've been waiting for 2 guys to fight for the past 3 years

for all that PBF stans want to give him credit for

PEDs, promoting, etc...

doesn't he also get some of the blame for the state that boxing is in?

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

not floyd fault
oscars and arums
floyd stans use to talk about top rank keeping shit in house
ha, floyd/GBP took that blueprint and ran with it
you shouldn't be able to predict Floyds fights months in advance by simply looking at GBP roster and checking who is available in may or september
lol shits disgusting
now this 6 fight plan is going to be all GBP garbage?
guerrero, maidana, angulo, danny garcia?
bradley and clottey was some in house shit but they are better than any of them GBP fighters I named
shit is indefensible
it's bad for boxing

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Y'all said NOTHING when Arum was doing it.

Nada. Zilch.

That's the point: for some reason, y'all think its okay
for Bob Arum to control boxing, but not for a guy who
actually steps into the ring.

You guys really are an embarrassment. Shame on you.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

the old way

at least we got good fights

and not his bullshit

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

You'd rather have those days with fighters getting pennies
for their fights and having no say in who they fight.

Sugar Ray, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran etc would trade
careers with Floyd Mayweather in a heartbeat. Second. Not
even a thought.

You sound like old white people who bitch about
black athletes' love of free agency. There's a great
argument that sports was better prior to free agency.
Teams could really build long term. Fans could establish
closer connections with teams, etc.


But this is the modern sports world.

Athletes have a say.

Deal with it.

It was no better when Arum was feeding Pacquiao all
Top Rank fighters.

You guys pick on Floyd because he's young and black and
is an easier target than Bob Arum.

Its mostly just racism.

funny how BHop is using the same model

and making good fights

at almost 50 YO

IDGAF how it happens

as a fight fan

I want the fight (well I wanted the fight)

Roberto Duran = Not Black

funny though, those fighter managed to make fights against each other

if the old way didn't work

neither is this

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

supply inferior product with superior marketing and branding..then sit back as dumb niggas gobble it up
it's why canelo and broner have 1.5 quality opponents between them...yet are already borderline mega stars

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All of the countless fighters with brain injuries who
were thrown to the wolves by promoters for decades...
...nobody complains. Nobody said anything. It was fine
when people in suits did it.

But when Floyd decides to fight Juan Manuel Marquez instead
of Miguel Cotto, Floyd is ruining boxing.

Its exactly why the world is the way it is. 85% of you are
lemmings.

I enjoy the science of boxing. I enjoy the matching of wits.
I enjoy seeing greatness in all its forms. When I saw Floyd
vs. Cotto. I got that. When I saw him injure his hand vs.
Baldomir and cruise -- I got that. When I saw him dig his way
out of a hole against Zab -- I got that.

I'm satisfied because I don't deny a worker their right to
financial freedom and because I actually enjoy the science
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

something with more structure

so the matchups aren't so arbitrary

and the promotion, etc...is handled by a league

like the UFC

(I'm not saying exactly like the UFC, because I think Dana White is making the most $$$ in that format)

where somebody can say the fans want to see you and you fight

so you and you are fighting

I wouldn't even be opposed to an annual or bi-annual tourney like the super 6 we just saw

this pick and choose bullshit is the problem IMO

even in the old model

there were still rankings and mandatories

does that even exist anymore

does anybody know who the #1 challenger is?

FTR, I also have a problem with the Klitchkos not fighting each other

I think that has alot to do with the demise of the HeavyWeight division

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Remember when Mayweather was the lineal 147lb champ and P4P champ?

The *REAL* sports model dictates that he fight his mandatories.

The problem was that no one doing all the fucking talking about Mayweather being a "coward" actually secured a *RANKING* or wanted to fight and *ELIMINATOR* in order to *EARN* the *RIGHT* to face him...

That goes for *EVERYONE* at 147 prior to Mayweather vacating the title.

He vacated the title because:

A.) There was more money to be made elsewhere

B.) It served to deal Arum a financial blow

C.) None of the money fighters at 147 wanted to be proactive and fight each other...all they did was call out Floyd


What's even funnier is that Guerrero is his mandatory....so Mayweather is honoring the *REAL* model

he's been in that division for what

a whole week

SMH

F'n stupid IMO

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

this shit...

I've said the same thing for years...

All the fights that happened with many of the greats...the "round robins" etc...

Those cats were ranked!!!! Those cats were taking their mandatories until the competition ramped up and we got the superfights...

Nowadays...everyone wants to bypass all of that and say that their name should trump a ranking... No one asked why Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Mosley etc...weren't fighting each other..

They only did that *AFTER* Floyd vacated the titles....The exception being Margarito and Williams fighting for the fringe WBO belt at 147...

Like I said (...and have been saying)..when all that coward shit was being flouted and Arum and Co. were talking shit.. *NONE* of the fighters bothered to secure a ranking to effect anything..

Mayweather asked why didn't all of those guys calling his name fight each other...and he'll fight the winner...

Nobody wants to remember that because they're too busy hating him..

When he vacated the belts...that ensured that he was free to fight whoever would grant the biggest payday.. Before that...he was honoring the *REAL* model as a beltholder......waiting and no one stepped up seriously.

All they did was call him a coward to the press but didn't bother to secure a ranking to force his hand as a *beltholder*...

This fight with Guerrero is for a belt Pah.....


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

and probably won't

that does make me mad

other than that

I get what you're saying

but I don't think that's the reason the Pac fight didn't happen

he can fight mandatories for the rest of his career

and it still won't answer the questions about Pac

.

but again, that's his choice

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Folks are now trying to flip that son is stupid for not taking the money and running...

Meanwhile they are angry at him for *supposedly* taking the money and running...

More rational people are like: "I don't care about anything else...I just wanted to see it play out... I wanted to see the fight"

We're not dealing with rational people fam...


Floyd said it would be easy... I daresay I believed him...


The Marquez KO of Pacquiao though......


I get that styles make fights and all but man.....

I really believe Mayweather now. Respect to Pacquiao but Floyd taking that fight... I believe he would have won and still gained none of the respect he warrants.

The fight may still happen but the fight would be "real market value" instead of "perceived market value" I think the fight can still happen but never with Bob Arum involved...

Mayweather essentially toyed with a guy that has given Pacquiao all he can handle...AND a KO on his ledger....but you never know. It still mat be a good match.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

Good LORD

Well done

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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...anytime someone else brings up a point I made eons ago...that shit gets sliced, diced, plagiarized, re-cised and cosigned....


What's even funnier is that all the cats that hated my analyses are agreeing with me now and are acting like they don't know it...

...but I remember the true blues that have been in a cat's corner from post 1, day 1....


...and Floyd is fighting his *mandatory* for 8 figures...on PPV....with a CBS chaser....


Respect.


Post script: Guerrero looks quite a bit bigger than Mayweather...anybody notice that? Meanwhile a few cats (who shall remain unnamed) were on about Floyd fighting undersized guys...


LOL!!!!!


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

by now (meaning, we should have had a fight)

the fact that stans on both sides try to spin Ws for their guy

based on PPV #s, common opponents, etc...

F'n stupid

STFU and fight

.

I always thought PBF was the superior boxer

and I would never bet against him (probably ever)

but the Pac after that first Marquez fight

before the leg issues started to surface over the last year or so

that Pac was dangerous, and a real threat

getting KO'd by Marquez 3 years later doesn't change that in my mind

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Pac-Marquez 2 was a draw. Marquez easily
outboxed him in the 1 and 3 and knocked him
out in 4. If you didn't know any better you'd
think Marquez was the superstar. He's way, way
way, way, better than Pacquiao. Way better.

And other than that, Pacquiao:

Beat Hatton RIGHT AFTER he lost to Floyd.

Beat RIGHT Mosley AFTER he lost to Floyd.

Beat Margarito RIGHT AFTER he lost to Mosley (and
was suspended).

Beat Cotto RIGHT AFTER he lost to Margarito.

Beat De La Hoya at 147 pounds with dehydration
needle marks in his arm (according to F. Roach)

Beat Clottey RIGHT AFTER he lost to Cotto.


It goes on and on and on.


Nobody even bothered to notice.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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I'll play

in your imaginary world

where Pac is this incredibly inferior fighter

that took all these Ls

and was never in PBF's class

why would PBF turn down $100 million to fight that guy

let's not pretend like Pac wasn't the best fighter in the game

next to PBF (outside of this board, I do believe many "experts" had him ranked P4P, despite your incredibly insightful analysis that no one noticed)

let's not pretend like this wasn't projected to be the biggest PPV event ever

even if all that bullshit you typed was relevant

why NOT make that fight (sounds like easy $$$ the way you make it sound)

c'mon

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

Think about it.

Every time this dude beats someone and makes this money...the fans are effectively told that they've been ripped off and the media does everything in its power to discredit the win...


...Now imagine Mayweather wins and makes that record breaking cash...


The hate would be 12 million kelvin times the hate he gets now....


Pacquiao got slept by a guy that Floyd toyed with but folks still find a way to use Manny getting KTFO against Mayweather...

"Floyd...you should have knocked Manny out in that fight...how could you let Marquez do it for less money than you would have made?!?!?... This *PROVES* you're a coward!!!..."


LOL!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S CATSHIT CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Shit....he did himself a favor by *NOT* fighting Pacquiao!!! Look at how motherfuckers are acting!!!!!!!



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

and that's still the problem

I couldn't imagine 1 fight

even if that did happen

they probably would have fought again

I'm not even convinced here and now

Pac ISN'T PBF's best opponent

imagine...HA!

PBF signed for 3 years 5-6 fights?

who do you imagine him filling those fight cards with?

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you can't understand it with an explanation

The *option* is for him to fight 5 or 6 times... It plays out as more of a branding/marketing venture.

He doesn't have to make 6 fights...

Now he may build and promote some cards...but that is to be seen. The partnership is with Showtime and *CBS*... When the mainstream/primetime networks are asking for boxing...the 8 figure installments don't look so steep..

My understanding is that the contract is *NOT* explicitly for him to fight 5-6 times over 2 and 1/2 years... He has the *option* to fight that many times...


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

>I really believe Mayweather now. Respect to Pacquiao but
>Floyd taking that fight... I believe he would have won and
>still gained none of the respect he warrants.

i've been saying it for 5 years. he woulda won and it woulda been status quo hate and on to the next dude, whether that be alvarez or bradley.

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