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Basaglia
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"One of the greatest deadline trades in NBA History"


  

          

On February 15, 1989, the Pistons (ahem: Isiah) traded Adrian Dantley and a 1991 first-round pick to the Mavericks for Mark Aguirre. Aguirre scored 15.5 points per game for the Pistons, who were 32-13 prior to the trade, but a stunning 31-6 after it.

Detroit went 15-2 in the postseason with Aguirre starting all 17 games. The Pistons swept the Lakers in the 1989 Finals to win their first NBA championship.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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do y'all understand they would lost to the bulls if they hadn't done it?
Feb 20th 2013
1
i thought Zeke made that trade happen though?
Feb 20th 2013
4
dude...stick to duke b-ball..you talking craziness now....
Feb 20th 2013
6
      shut up...just shut the fuck up, man.
Feb 20th 2013
9
           you don't know what you're talking about player...don't be mad
Feb 20th 2013
12
                I'm not sure what the disupte is here, y'all should stop bickering
Feb 20th 2013
18
                     the man's a fuckin moron...
Feb 20th 2013
21
                     why should AD been cool with splitting time with Rodman???
Feb 20th 2013
25
                     don't get me wrong...I have a lot of respect for those Piston teams
Feb 20th 2013
35
                     this guy is blaming Adrian Dantley for zeke not winning 4 titles...
Feb 20th 2013
22
                          Coolidge -- I don't understand your argument.
Feb 20th 2013
37
                               RE: Coolidge -- I don't understand your argument.
Feb 20th 2013
46
                                    The problem is that history isn't on your side.
Feb 20th 2013
55
                                         lolol...the facts are on my side
Feb 20th 2013
60
                                              after getting him, they went 31-6 and won the title....
Feb 20th 2013
114
agreed
Feb 20th 2013
2
Dont forget this one....
Feb 20th 2013
3
Dantley was a better player than Aguirre at that time....but
Feb 20th 2013
5
mcadoo to LA wasn't a deadline trade.
Feb 20th 2013
7
no...you're right...it was Thompson that was at the deadline
Feb 20th 2013
10
Pistons beat the Lakers in 88 if Zeke's ankle doesn't explode, tho
Feb 20th 2013
13
^^my man
Feb 20th 2013
16
maybe....maybe not..... somebody could have stepped up
Feb 20th 2013
20
      Now you're just trolling. Must have been a hard day at work.
Feb 20th 2013
58
so the 88 title gets one for isiah's ankle then right?
Feb 20th 2013
15
nope...Isiah played the whole series...that injury happened at the
Feb 20th 2013
19
LOL the pistons lost the only full game after the injury
Feb 20th 2013
24
and the lost 3 games prior to game 7.....
Feb 20th 2013
26
      and? theres a reason no one else from the west won a chip that era
Feb 20th 2013
27
           and by era i mean from Magic and Larry coming in to MJs 1st retirement
Feb 20th 2013
30
You flinging selective asterisks around W.C.?
Feb 20th 2013
29
      absolutely....* are given on a case by case basis.....lol.
Feb 20th 2013
31
they coulda won WITH zeke's bad ankle if AD PASSES THE BALL
Feb 20th 2013
23
      so Mark Aguirre wouldn't have got outrun by Big Game James...
Feb 20th 2013
28
           Adrian Dantley didnt fit with what the pistons were
Feb 20th 2013
32
                again....this is the myth I was talking about..
Feb 20th 2013
42
                     they didnt need his usage. was time to make room for the guards
Feb 20th 2013
44
                     his usage got them to game 7 of the finals.....and conference finals
Feb 20th 2013
53
                          well game 7 of the finals obviously wasnt the goal lol
Feb 21st 2013
117
                     also care to respond to #27?
Feb 20th 2013
45
                          so you're saying that besides the Lakers...the teams in the west
Feb 20th 2013
65
                               they didnt lose any playoff games because they didnt play anyone
Feb 21st 2013
116
                                    lol...seriously dude...speak on what you know....
Feb 21st 2013
122
                                         LMAO every team had guys that could score...it was the 80's
Feb 21st 2013
125
HOLY SHIT WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!?!??!?!?!?
Feb 20th 2013
76
AGUIRRE'S TEAM
Feb 20th 2013
8
*floats down raft in Detroit surrounded by small monkeys*
Feb 20th 2013
52
deadline trades for an all-star, team wins title within 2 years: a list
Feb 20th 2013
11
Wallace to DET was the one that popped into my head
Feb 20th 2013
14
mychal thompson ('87) and clyde drexler ('95)
Feb 20th 2013
40
Aguire was a beast. Hated that we traded him for fucking Dantley.
Feb 20th 2013
17
I don't get how this helps the Zeke agenda
Feb 20th 2013
33
leave this board, man
Feb 20th 2013
36
Stay mad
Feb 20th 2013
39
Perhaps the saddest, strangest reply I've read all year.
Feb 20th 2013
38
see....dude brings facts to this argument...and basa tells him to
Feb 20th 2013
70
      He made this about an Isiah agenda. That's weird.
Feb 20th 2013
77
you fucking idiot...all that BR'ing u did and u didnt look at AD
Feb 20th 2013
43
Oh, I looked
Feb 20th 2013
47
then i guess Isiah is owed dinner or something for keeping him afloat
Feb 20th 2013
50
      Point is, that Pistons team wins the title either way...
Feb 20th 2013
64
AD only played 55 total games the season after the trade for
Feb 20th 2013
72
^^^This is why when people say MJ didn't beat the Magic's, Bird's
Feb 20th 2013
51
they were old...and his PEERS were bitches
Feb 20th 2013
54
Those dudes were all sad.
Feb 20th 2013
67
glove admitted he was shook the first two games, dogg
Feb 20th 2013
69
      But then he went to George and said he wanted to guard him.
Feb 20th 2013
74
And the Pistons, Lakers and C's went 8 deep most yrs
Feb 20th 2013
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      It's not the same. I'm not arguing he didn't son them.
Feb 20th 2013
95
      he sonned a generation of softies and weak-skilled guys
Feb 20th 2013
96
the teams that Jordan beat for titles were not as good as the teams
Feb 20th 2013
71
^^ real talk ^^
Feb 20th 2013
68
That Mutombo trade to the Sixers was an underrated joint too.
Feb 20th 2013
34
nah, they were 40-14 at the time of the trade & 14-14 afterwards
Feb 20th 2013
48
But it still made a big difference in the team for that run.
Feb 20th 2013
49
      That bucks series was fixed
Feb 20th 2013
57
           I remember thinking the same.
Feb 20th 2013
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                prolly bcuz the Bucks coach & stars couldn't stop crying about calls
Feb 20th 2013
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                     Oh the Bucks were soft, but A.I. would get questionable calls.
Feb 20th 2013
81
                          that's like blaming refs for calling fouls Harden or Durant gets
Feb 20th 2013
91
i dont why but i always thought ratliff worked better than Deke
Feb 20th 2013
56
      He did. Like Bomb said, it was LB using his heart again.
Feb 20th 2013
62
           Cmon
Feb 20th 2013
110
lol...these posts remind me how old yall niggas are
Feb 20th 2013
41
yea these oldhead posts are kinda dangerous tho
Feb 20th 2013
63
      peep they stats SPM....
Feb 20th 2013
66
Dantley shot 52%, Aguirre only shot 45% -- how was that a good trade?!??
Feb 20th 2013
59
MISSING THE WHOLE POINT.....
Feb 20th 2013
75
This is only being debated because people dislike Basaglia.
Feb 20th 2013
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I mean if the teammates said so themselves, they won 2 in a row...
Feb 20th 2013
80
well, there's idiots and then there's people who just MAD
Feb 20th 2013
82
if he hates young people dying, why he try to blame his daughter?
Feb 20th 2013
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nope...
Feb 20th 2013
85
yet I stay kicking facts and stats.....lol.
Feb 20th 2013
88
      actually, i cut and pasted directly from ESPN...
Feb 20th 2013
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I must say ...you are embarrasing yourself in this post a bit OE....
Feb 20th 2013
86
      you still talking about stuff that don't matter
Feb 20th 2013
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           when you get sonned it never matters player.... lol...
Feb 20th 2013
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thats my whole point of #44...his usage was hurting them
Feb 21st 2013
121
lol
Feb 20th 2013
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Adrian Dantley's game 1 of the '88 finals...ON THE ROAD
Feb 20th 2013
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so you cysing dantley or offering a referendum on zeke's legend?
Feb 20th 2013
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      uh...Adrian Dantley does have a ring.....
Feb 20th 2013
113
           dantley is not a champion, dogg
Feb 21st 2013
118
                He has a championship ring in the NBA....he won championships
Feb 21st 2013
119
                     no he doesnt...no roster spot at the end, no ring
Feb 21st 2013
120
                          anyone who plays on a team that season is eligible for a ring and
Feb 21st 2013
123
                               you are a CLOWN...dantley never won an NBA title. end of story.
Feb 21st 2013
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                               https://www.google.com/search?q=adrian+dantley+championship+ring&rlz=1C1...
Feb 21st 2013
126
the fact that the Kani customer is still debating this....
Feb 20th 2013
93
i think there's an interesting argument to be had
Feb 20th 2013
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they were going to LOSE to the bulls in 1989, dogg....
Feb 20th 2013
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box score bobby
Feb 20th 2013
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NOPE!!! them 4 more minutes rodman played mattered
Feb 20th 2013
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      ok
Feb 20th 2013
104
Doug Collins had NO answer for Dantley...
Feb 20th 2013
109
iono B, LA was UNDEFEATED in the playoffs going into the finals...
Feb 21st 2013
127
It's definitely a fair point.. and I ride for Zeke so no agenda for me
Feb 21st 2013
129
lol.... what are you like 12 years old...
Feb 20th 2013
112
THA TEACHA! Got TRADET!
Feb 20th 2013
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Why is this even being argued? This debate was over when thy won
Feb 20th 2013
100
Was the Aguirre trade that critical? MJ quit in that series anyway lol
Feb 20th 2013
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http://i46.tinypic.com/nwar80.jpg
Feb 20th 2013
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more diversions...
Feb 20th 2013
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I NEED TO GIVE DANTLEY HIS PROPS TOO!!!
Feb 20th 2013
107
right on - i dont mean to shit on him either but cmon
Feb 21st 2013
128
: )
Feb 20th 2013
108
my uncle played against AD when he was at DeMatha
Feb 20th 2013
111
As somebody who started watching the NBA at 6 years old in 91,
Feb 20th 2013
115
as a hoop fan I'm so sorry you missed the 80s..
Feb 21st 2013
130

Basaglia
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1. "do y'all understand they would lost to the bulls if they hadn't done it?"
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mike was coming on strong and AD was pressed for the ball, played no D and didn't wanna share time with rodman and sally.

I will never forgive dantly. isiah shoulda had FOUR TITLES!

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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JAESCOTT777
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4. "i thought Zeke made that trade happen though? "
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Wed Feb-20-13 12:51 PM by JAESCOTT777

  

          

cause Aguirre was his peoples?

  

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Warren Coolidge
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6. "dude...stick to duke b-ball..you talking craziness now...."
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you're insinuating that Mark Aguirre played defense....lolololol....


Adrian Dantley averaged nearly 20 points during his time with the Pistons...and as a previous scoring champion..he had a right to be pissy that he had to split minutes....

peep the stats...

during the later part of their careers...it's no question who the better player was...

Dantley
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html

Aguirre
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aguirma01.html

  

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Basaglia
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9. "shut up...just shut the fuck up, man. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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Warren Coolidge
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12. "you don't know what you're talking about player...don't be mad"
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at me...

this is pretty much an area of expertise for Warren Coolidge..

just accept the correction..

I remember when Adrian Dantley was the Lakers starting Power forward next to Jamal Wilkes ..and Sweet Lou Hudson was the starting 2 guard....


if Aguirre was an upgrade for the Pistons it was strictly about team chemistry..... Dantley was a better player at the time and was on the Pistons the year before when they got as close to winnning the title as possible.

  

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18. "I'm not sure what the disupte is here, y'all should stop bickering"
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Y'all just fighting to be fighting

The dispute seems to be:

Whether the trade was about improving defense

vs

Whether the trade was about chemistry

Both are true-

Aguirre was not a better defender BUT was a more
WILLING defender because his personality fit the
system and he was willing to do whatever to win
vs. Dantley who wanted to be boss hog and that's
it


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Basaglia
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21. "the man's a fuckin moron..."
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Wed Feb-20-13 01:45 PM by Basaglia

  

          

i explicitly stated that AD ain't wanna share time with a budding Rodman and Salley and this bamma ass dude reframes the premise right off the break, talkin about who was the better player at the time and all that.

he a bamma and he never thinks. it's played out. so, i just told him to shut up. i ain't debating something that he agrees with me on and is too pressed to see it.

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Warren Coolidge
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25. "why should AD been cool with splitting time with Rodman???"
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>i explicitly stated that AD ain't wanna share time with a
>budding Rodman and Salley and this bamma ass dude reframes the
>premise right off the break, talkin about who was the better
>player at the time and all that.
>
>he a bamma and he never thinks. it's played out. so, i just
>told him to shut up. i ain't debating something that he agrees
>with me on and is too pressed to see it.


Former scoring champ.....Pistons leading or 2nd leading scorer....he should be cool with splitting time with a dude who played community college ball and was lifting luggage at an airport????

lololol...

come on man.

If you want to say that Isiah pushed them to get his homeboy...then fine.....

But you trying to add extras on it to try and claim Isiah was brillant for pushing the trade to happen....

Adrian Dantley was a better player than Mark Aguirre and the PIstons had done just fine with him...

the aquisition of Mark Aguirre being the final piece for the Pistons has always been a myth...


  

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Warren Coolidge
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35. "don't get me wrong...I have a lot of respect for those Piston teams"
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particularly as far as how they were comprised...

the size depth they had was really something else...and they provided some challenging match ups defensively.....even though regardless of AD or Aguirre...their starging 3s were liabilities on the defensive end...

  

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22. "this guy is blaming Adrian Dantley for zeke not winning 4 titles..."
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>
>Y'all just fighting to be fighting
>
>The dispute seems to be:
>
>Whether the trade was about improving defense
>
>vs
>
>Whether the trade was about chemistry
>
>Both are true-
>
>Aguirre was not a better defender BUT was a more
>WILLING defender because his personality fit the
>system and he was willing to do whatever to win
>vs. Dantley who wanted to be boss hog and that's
>it
>

that's just complete foolishness...

Adrian Dantley ...particularly at that point in his career was the better player....

that's pretty obvious.

  

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37. "Coolidge -- I don't understand your argument. "
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>Adrian Dantley ...particularly at that point in his career was
>the better player....
>
>that's pretty obvious.

He was a better individual scorer

HE was not a better fit for that team

You agree with Basaglia

Don't be petty, you're better than that.

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46. "RE: Coolidge -- I don't understand your argument. "
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>
>>Adrian Dantley ...particularly at that point in his career
>was
>>the better player....
>>
>>that's pretty obvious.
>
>He was a better individual scorer
>
>HE was not a better fit for that team

So what is making you say that he was a better fit???

They lost game 7 in the finals with AD...

They swept a Laker team devistated by injury with Aguirre...

They were about equal defensively...but AD was a better rebounder..



>
>You agree with Basaglia
>
>Don't be petty, you're better than that.

I couldn't be more clear where the dissagreement is...

to clarify...

* getting Aguirre was not a huge difference maker and the numbers
prove that.

* AD was pretty much better than Aguirre in all areas of the game.

* The Pistons got as close as they possibly could to winning one with
AD and very likely would have continued their upward move with AD
as Aguirre really didn't add much other than more willingly playing
a sideman role to Isiah.

* Calling that trade one of the great deadline deals requires a
lot of exagerating as to the difference in those 2 players and
their impacts on the team.

  

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55. "The problem is that history isn't on your side. "
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You only have a hypothetical

And you are arguing it only to undermine Basaglia's
post

There are BOOKS written that deal with the intimate
details behind that trade

It obviously worked and helped the Pistons

And had the even great impact of helping to develop
young Rodman, who was VERY sensitive to tutelage
and locker room environment

So it was a brilliant trade for many reasons

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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60. "lolol...the facts are on my side"
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>
>You only have a hypothetical
>
>And you are arguing it only to undermine Basaglia's
>post

undermine?? He's claiming that the Aguirre trade was one of the best deadline trades ever..... that is simply not true and I've provided a solid argument to prove it.



>There are BOOKS written that deal with the intimate
>details behind that trade
>
>It obviously worked and helped the Pistons
>
>And had the even great impact of helping to develop
>young Rodman, who was VERY sensitive to tutelage
>and locker room environment
>
>So it was a brilliant trade for many reasons
>

the impact of that trade has been exagerated for many years.

  

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114. "after getting him, they went 31-6 and won the title...."
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how are the facts on your side?

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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2. "agreed"
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I get pissed at cats who rip Zeke for "making" that trade. AD was everything that was wrong with that squad.

  

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3. "Dont forget this one...."
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http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/rwallace_040219.html

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5. "Dantley was a better player than Aguirre at that time....but"
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I do think the change in chemistry helped the Pistons..

I've always thought that people actually overrated that trade because from the stats..... Dantley was a better player for Detroit that Aguirre... it's not like either one of them were great defenders at that time either...

The Pistons came within 1 game of the championship the year before with AD....

and....

sorry piston fans..

that Title has an * because the Lakers going into those finals had not lost a game in the playoffs....and were playing at about as dominant a level as they had in recent years..... Then both Byron Scott and Magic Johnson go down with injuries before and during game 1.... so the title is a little tainted...


I would put Bob McAdoo's aquisition by the Lakers at the deadline higher than that Piston's trade

  

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7. "mcadoo to LA wasn't a deadline trade."
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they acquired him on christmas eve 81 after they lost kupchak for the season. you're prolly thinking of mychal thompson.


>I would put Bob McAdoo's aquisition by the Lakers at the
>deadline higher than that Piston's trade

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10. "no...you're right...it was Thompson that was at the deadline"
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those 2 acquistions were huge for the Lakes...

  

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13. "Pistons beat the Lakers in 88 if Zeke's ankle doesn't explode, tho"
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Sooo

  

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16. "^^my man"
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20. "maybe....maybe not..... somebody could have stepped up"
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in his place..

Lakers earned that title because they had earned home court.... 6 & 7 were at the Forum.....

  

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58. "Now you're just trolling. Must have been a hard day at work. "
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Hope the kids are doing okay, you do important stuff

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15. "so the 88 title gets one for isiah's ankle then right?"
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19. "nope...Isiah played the whole series...that injury happened at the "
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end of the series....

no *

  

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24. "LOL the pistons lost the only full game after the injury"
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winners are winners and loser are losers

but i hope u see the absurdity of it in the first place

winners are winners
losers are losers

foh with the asterisks

  

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26. "and the lost 3 games prior to game 7....."
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the Lakers lost ZERO playoff games going into the finals the next season...

they lost their starting backcourt before the series and into game 1...

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27. "and? theres a reason no one else from the west won a chip that era"
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30. "and by era i mean from Magic and Larry coming in to MJs 1st retirement"
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29. "You flinging selective asterisks around W.C.?"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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31. "absolutely....* are given on a case by case basis.....lol."
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23. "they coulda won WITH zeke's bad ankle if AD PASSES THE BALL"
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and he let worthy outrun his old mushmouth ass like 10 times down the floor. it was pathetic.

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28. "so Mark Aguirre wouldn't have got outrun by Big Game James..."
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>and he let worthy outrun his old mushmouth ass like 10 times
>down the floor. it was pathetic.


lololololololol.....

and why should Adrian Dantley have passed the ball....he was honestly the only true scorer the Pistons had....

who was he gonna pass it too that was a better scorer???

  

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32. "Adrian Dantley didnt fit with what the pistons were"
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spin it how you like but its the bottom line

they were better when he left

  

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42. "again....this is the myth I was talking about.."
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>spin it how you like but its the bottom line

Adrian Dantley averaged 20ppg for the pistons.....4 Rebs.....shot over .500 from the field....and over .800 from the line

so he scored more points that Aguirre did for the Pistons....shot better from the field.....and the line and had more rebounds....

with AD they came within a game of winning the NBA title...

with Aguirre they swept a Laker team that had that famous 3 guard rotation of Michael Cooper, Tony Campbell, and Mike McGee...


>they were better when he left

The Pistons were evolving into a great team anyway..

Aguirre being the difference maker has been exagerated for years.

  

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44. "they didnt need his usage. was time to make room for the guards"
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and - what a coinkidink - Joe D was finals MVP the very next year

  

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53. "his usage got them to game 7 of the finals.....and conference finals"
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previous years....

dealing him was a choice..not a necessity.

  

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117. "well game 7 of the finals obviously wasnt the goal lol"
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45. "also care to respond to #27?"
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65. "so you're saying that besides the Lakers...the teams in the west"
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weren't great...

eh...

the Jazz were solid..... so was Seattle...Blazers too....Mavericks too..

even going back further..the Spurs team that lost to the Lakers in the conference finals that started Johnny Moore, Iceman, Mike Mitchell and Artis Gilmore was a pretty solid team too...

not sure what youre point was

  

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116. "they didnt lose any playoff games because they didnt play anyone"
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meanwhile the knicks, bulls, pistons, and cavs were not going to be swept by anyone

  

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122. "lol...seriously dude...speak on what you know...."
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they swept a portland team with Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey..... who would go on to the finals the next season.

they swept a Sonics team lead by Dale Ellis and X McDaniel who averaged 50 points per game combined that year..

and swept a Suns team who had 3 20 ppg players in Chambers, Eddie and Kevin Johnson...

That Laker team was primed to make history again if Magic and B.Scott hadn't gotten hurt the Pistons would have been beat in 5 or 6 games.... That Laker team was better than the year before primarily because of the edition of Orlando Wooliridge coming off the bench and Magic Johnson further solidifying himself as the dominant player in the league.

  

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125. "LMAO every team had guys that could score...it was the 80's"
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>they swept a portland team with Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter
>and Jerome Kersey..... who would go on to the finals the next
>season.

in which they got *soundly* beaten

>they swept a Sonics team lead by Dale Ellis and X McDaniel who
>averaged 50 points per game combined that year..

who never did anything

>and swept a Suns team who had 3 20 ppg players in Chambers,
>Eddie and Kevin Johnson...

who also never did anything

  

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76. "HOLY SHIT WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!?!??!?!?!?"
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I HAVE NEVER HEARD MENTION OF THIS ONCE....EVER!!!

>sorry piston fans..
>
>that Title has an * because the Lakers going into those
>finals had not lost a game in the playoffs....and were playing
>at about as dominant a level as they had in recent years.....
>Then both Byron Scott and Magic Johnson go down with injuries
>before and during game 1.... so the title is a little
>tainted...

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8. "AGUIRRE'S TEAM"
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WRATH OF GOD

  

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52. "*floats down raft in Detroit surrounded by small monkeys*"
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WE SHALL ENDURE!

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11. "deadline trades for an all-star, team wins title within 2 years: a list"
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(1) Dantley to Pistons, 1989 (won that year)
(2) Wallace to Pistons, 2004 (won that year)
(3) Gasol to Lakers, 2008 (won next year) <-- might not count -- happened in Feb but not right at deadline

others???

  

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14. "Wallace to DET was the one that popped into my head"
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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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40. "mychal thompson ('87) and clyde drexler ('95)"
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not sure if thompson was an all star but his defense on kevin mchale definitely swung the '87 finals.

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17. "Aguire was a beast. Hated that we traded him for fucking Dantley."
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Dantley was good too, with his unique skillset, but it was bullshit how he didn't want to report to the Mavericks.

You could tell watching the games after he joined the team that he was all for self.

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33. "I don't get how this helps the Zeke agenda"
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So, a HOF teammate and the 30th all time scorer wasn't good enough for him? He needed Mark Aguirre, who had just led the Mavericks to a 7 game loss in the WCF the season before? The same Mark Aguirre who, outside his rookie season, had never averaged less than 22 ppg or had a PER lower than 19.2? And who's best seasons in Detroit had a 14.2 ppg and a PER of 16.7?

Despite the titles, Aguirre's career CRATERED in Detroit. He went from being a perennial All-Star and centerpiece on a contender to being Vinnie Johnson's help with the second unit. You can spin it two ways, either Zeke made Aguirre that much worse, or he needed a player of that caliber to accept being the 7th man to get a title. Neither are good looks for him.

  

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36. "leave this board, man"
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39. "Stay mad"
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38. "Perhaps the saddest, strangest reply I've read all year. "
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You guys really need a hug.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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70. "see....dude brings facts to this argument...and basa tells him to "
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leave the board...and you find his factual response "strange"

u see the problem with that, right?

  

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77. "He made this about an Isiah agenda. That's weird. "
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That has nothing to do with the post.

The trade deadline is tomorrow. Anyone could have
made this post.

And MANY people, even Isiah-enemies have written
about how great that post was.

Its strange.

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(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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43. "you fucking idiot...all that BR'ing u did and u didnt look at AD"
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AD's first year post Pistons was the worst of his career...what does THAT say?

  

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47. "Oh, I looked"
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As if I'm the first guy to be selective in an argument? Dantley was old and on the downswing of his career, Aguirre was not. It doesn't change the fact that Aguirre was half the player in Detroit that he was in Dallas. Those Mavs teams were stacked, if they didn't make this dumb ass Dantley trade and Roy Tarpley could've kept his nose clean, they would've been trouble in the West.

  

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50. "then i guess Isiah is owed dinner or something for keeping him afloat"
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>Dantley was old and on the downswing of his career, Aguirre
>was not.

  

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64. "Point is, that Pistons team wins the title either way..."
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...and Aguirre was a worse player in Detroit than he was in Dallas. History overrates this trade while somehow underrating how deep that team was.

  

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72. "AD only played 55 total games the season after the trade for"
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the rest of his career...

  

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51. "^^^This is why when people say MJ didn't beat the Magic's, Bird's"
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Zeke's in their primes, I laugh that shit off with a grain of salt.

Aguirre was the #1 pick in the '81 draft...Zeke was #2. He had tons of talent around him (AD then Aguirre, Vinnie, Spider, Worm, Laimbeer, Blue). That team was deep as shit.

Magic...same
Bird...same

While the shitty ass bulls were drafting Brad Sellers and Keith Lee (though he did net them Oakley...could have had Karl Malone) and Will Perdue (coulda had Rod Strickland) and Stacy King and Jeff Sanders (coulda had Shawn Kemp and Tim Hardaway).

The only thing Bulls management got right was Jordan (luck), Horace and trading Olden for Pip.

Lakers and C's got good FA's, made great trades and drafted well. Detroit scouted great talent to build around Zeke.

MJ did more with much less IMO.

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54. "they were old...and his PEERS were bitches"
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he had to beat:

pat
reggie
person
'nique
doc
price
daugherty
jeff malone

to beat:

drex
payton
kemp
stockton
malone


garbage...just garbage.

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67. "Those dudes were all sad."
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They wanted to be friends with MJ. Still want to be friends with MJ and the 50.

The one dude who'd pop shit with MJ was Reggie, and he wanted to be friends.

On some, "Oh Mike so funny shit."

He didn't give a fuck about them.

Didn't Van Gundy call him a con man.

The only cat that I think respected him but wasn't scared was Glove. But Shawn Kemp fucked him over cuz of laziness and alcohol. I think they could've tested the Bulls.

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69. "glove admitted he was shook the first two games, dogg"
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74. "But then he went to George and said he wanted to guard him."
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Niggaz like Clyde were probably getting all out his name and just going with the flow. Hating under his breath.

I can at least give GP props for that.

But all them other dudes. Even the young dudes like Webber who was in awe. I really can't mess with them.

Maybe if Mitch Richmond had something to play for or one of them other dudes, they could've made something out it and tested him.

But everyone seemed so defenseless and played not to lose.

And that's the only time I've ever heard of that in basketball. Dudes went at Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Larry, Zeke.

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94. "And the Pistons, Lakers and C's went 8 deep most yrs"
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To top that off, for half the 80's niggas had to win 3 rounds to get a ring.

The lakers cake walked through the West most yrs cuz no one had the talent to beat them.

You talk all that shit about not respecting his competition but he beat them niggas with what he had. Not 6-7 HOF's by his side, not league MVP's coming to his team, not ANYONE who was an allstar prior to joining bulls (sans Rodman). He beat more experienced teams (pistons/lakers/blazers), deeper teams (blazers/suns/sonics), good defensive teams (sonics/knicks), good offensive teams (jazz/suns).

Not his fault Shaq didn't get there, G. Hill didn't get there, Dream didn't do it when he was there, etc.

Nigga sonned a generation.

Same way Bird ran the East after Doc got old and same way Magic did the west minus the two seasons they lost to Houston.

And LMAO like niggas weren't shook of Larry and Magic in the 80's.

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95. "It's not the same. I'm not arguing he didn't son them."
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But he broke them dudes wills. His peers were beat before the games even started.

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96. "he sonned a generation of softies and weak-skilled guys"
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>Not his fault Shaq didn't get there, G. Hill didn't get there,
>Dream didn't do it when he was there, etc.

man, mike ain't win nothing until he was 28...G HILL and Shaq were babies when mike last won one.

>Nigga sonned a generation.
>
>Same way Bird ran the East after Doc got old and same way
>Magic did the west minus the two seasons they lost to
>Houston.
>
>And LMAO like niggas weren't shook of Larry and Magic in the
>80's.

no one was shook of them. nique went at bird and talked smack. he lost but he went at him. the upstart rockets BOOTED the lakers.

for 7 years...teams, led by weak HOFs were flat out scared of jordan. period. how the knicks gonna go up two and choke? SCARED.

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71. "the teams that Jordan beat for titles were not as good as the teams"
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that Magic beat for titles...

nor many of the teams that Magic and them beat on their way to the finals....

  

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68. "^^ real talk ^^"
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I just now read this response and you hittin the nail on the head.


>So, a HOF teammate and the 30th all time scorer wasn't good
>enough for him? He needed Mark Aguirre, who had just led the
>Mavericks to a 7 game loss in the WCF the season before? The
>same Mark Aguirre who, outside his rookie season, had never
>averaged less than 22 ppg or had a PER lower than 19.2? And
>who's best seasons in Detroit had a 14.2 ppg and a PER of
>16.7?
>
>Despite the titles, Aguirre's career CRATERED in Detroit. He
>went from being a perennial All-Star and centerpiece on a
>contender to being Vinnie Johnson's help with the second unit.
>You can spin it two ways, either Zeke made Aguirre that much
>worse, or he needed a player of that caliber to accept being
>the 7th man to get a title. Neither are good looks for him.

the only way it does help the Isiah agenda is you exagerate the impact of the trade....pretend the Pistons were bums before the deal....and ignore actually judging the 2 players.

you do all that..then yeah...it bolsters zeke..

at that point in their careers..it's very clear who the better players was...and the Pistons saw a lot of success with AD..

basa actingly like AD was Kelly Tripuka or somethin...lol.

  

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34. "That Mutombo trade to the Sixers was an underrated joint too."
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I remember it was right after the ASG. And Larry Brown was geeked off Mutombo going against the West bigs.

I was chilling with my sister and brother in a law (a big Philly fan) and we was in the NBA Store and update came through.

He was geeked. They played well with Theo, but he was hurt.

I wonder what would've happened if they just waited for Theo. Not only for that season but for their future.

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48. "nah, they were 40-14 at the time of the trade & 14-14 afterwards"
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and the only series he effectively made a difference was Millwaukee but Ervin Johnson was sorry as shit.

LB got gassed off Deke snatching all those boards in the ASG that year & was also panicked that Theo wouldn't be back for the playoffs (he didn't come back for the Hawks that year but that may have been self-preservation, I'd imagine he'd have given it a go with a one-seeded Philly team).

That ASG prompted two of LB's worst basketball errors, leading to Deke's re-up contract because we were forced into a corner & later while coaching the US National team deciding he should start AI & Marbury together in a backcourt in the '04 Olympics because of that comeback they made in that year's All-Star Game.

That nucleus was much better moving forward with Kukoc & Ratliff than Mutumbo at a near-max deal, the AI era Sixers who were a tight young nucleus that had grown together organically never really recovered from that move which begat other terrible ones (Van Horn>>>>Big Bitch>>>>Mash's MRI/RetirementPapers).

  

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49. "But it still made a big difference in the team for that run."
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That Buck series was close.

I think they were a better team with Theo though. He was playing All-Star level if I remember correctly. I mean All-Star East Center level.

He was never the same either.

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57. "That bucks series was fixed"
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Lakers/ Kings gets all the attention, but Sixers/ Bucks was just as egregious.

  

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61. "I remember thinking the same."
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So did the Bucks. Lol

I was in the heart of South Jersey. Every car had a Sixers flag all of a sudden.

I wanted them to lose so bad.

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73. "prolly bcuz the Bucks coach & stars couldn't stop crying about calls"
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meanwhile they were a pussy-ass jump-shooting team that didn't take the ball to the rack.

Only reason that series was as close as it ended up being was AI had to sit out a game in that series & they were beat the fuck up all over while playing with a team that had only played about 35 games together at that point.

Sixers were better-coached, played better defense & had the best player.

  

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81. "Oh the Bucks were soft, but A.I. would get questionable calls."
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That shit always annoyed me. But he'd sell them.

Sixers had the best player, but the Bucks probably had the next best 3 or 4 players.

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91. "that's like blaming refs for calling fouls Harden or Durant gets"
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AI's ability to draw fouls while taking it into the trees at 5'11.5" was part of what made him great.

>That shit always annoyed me. But he'd sell them.
>
>Sixers had the best player, but the Bucks probably had the
>next best 3 or 4 players.

I don't even remember who the Bucks fourth-best player was but I'm gonna assume he wasn't better than Blue that year or Deke.

And the Bucks 'Big 3' were pussy-ass malcontents who cried all that series than turned on each other so badly after that loss that they had to break up the team, Cassell was the only one with balls but he still wasn't a finisher.

AI had more heart than all of them put together.

It makes me sick how people still cry about that series while ignoring some pretty glaring things like the fact that LB sacrificed a game in order to get Iverson a bit of time to heal early in the series, the Sixers starting small-forward (George Lynch) who happened to be their best perimeter/swing defender against a team predicated on jumpshooting swingmen for offense did not play a single minute in that series and finally that the Sixers kicked the shit out of them by 20 in the close-out game.

They were better then that Buck team before 2001, throughout 2001, in that series & even after it ended.

Fuck what Adam Bomb, Big Bitch & Sucka Ray have to say on the matter then or now.

All three of those dudes are/were whiney bitches.

  

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56. "i dont why but i always thought ratliff worked better than Deke"
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62. "He did. Like Bomb said, it was LB using his heart again."
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I think long term Theo was the move. That run, I think Dik helped.

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110. "Cmon"
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> That run, I think Dik
>helped.

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41. "lol...these posts remind me how old yall niggas are"
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I mean, i'm fucking 30 and remember
watching these series with pops and
my uncles but ain't no way in hell
7-8.......hell, even 12 year old me
could be providing the in depth revision
of these series/events that yall cats have

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63. "yea these oldhead posts are kinda dangerous tho"
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i started watching ball during the 91 finals when my dad basically forced me to watch that shit
not even saying he's right (cause i don't know) but if coolidge hadn't come in here arguing i would have just assumed aguirre was a beast compared to dantley
and might have regurgitated that shit somewhere down the line like i saw the shit lol
earlier today i heard an argument that Dr.Jay was the tracy mcgrady/carmelo of his day
ultra talented but stayed taking playoffs Ls even though his team was relatively deep/talented
favored against the nets/celtics in some series but took Ls even after being up 2-0 or some shit. needed moses to come so he could piggy back for his ring
looked into it a lil bit on basketball reference (apparently the spurs use to be in the eastern conference...wtf) seems like dude might have been telling the truth so u never know

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66. "peep they stats SPM...."
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>i started watching ball during the 91 finals when my dad
>basically forced me to watch that shit
>not even saying he's right (cause i don't know) but if
>coolidge hadn't come in here arguing i would have just assumed
>aguirre was a beast compared to dantley
>and might have regurgitated that shit somewhere down the line
>like i saw the shit lol
>earlier today i heard an argument that Dr.Jay was the tracy
>mcgrady/carmelo of his day
>ultra talented but stayed taking playoffs Ls even though his
>team was relatively deep/talented
>favored against the nets/celtics in some series but took Ls
>even after being up 2-0 or some shit. needed moses to come so
>he could piggy back for his ring
>looked into it a lil bit on basketball reference (apparently
>the spurs use to be in the eastern conference...wtf) seems
>like dude might have been telling the truth so u never know


Aguirre
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aguirma01.html

Dantley
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html


With Dantley they made it to multiple conference finals...1 final and came super close to winning that finals...

With Aguirre they swept a Laker team that didnt' have b.scott or magic....Then beat the Blazers...

again...peep they stats...

they were bout even at that time defensively...but Aguirre was never considered a solid defender..while Dantely at times was pretty decent actually was the Lakers starting Power Foward the year before Magic got there starting next to Jamal Wilkes.

That trade was not a difference maker for the Pistons beyond that it brought Isiah his homeboy..and a player more willing to come off the bench behind Rodman eventually....

Pistons would have won anyway.....just peep the stats...

  

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59. "Dantley shot 52%, Aguirre only shot 45% -- how was that a good trade?!??"
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75. "MISSING THE WHOLE POINT....."
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This trade was all about CHEMISTRY in so many ways. You can't look at it in PPG. Aguirre and Dantley had very different styles and Dantley's style stops the ball and stagnated the offense. The offense flowed better with Aguirre PERIOD. Dantley posting up every other time down the floor wasn't going to get it done against the Lakers. This team had to get out and run and space the fuckin floor. This was really Dumars time to shine and Dantley was kinda fuckin that up. Its widely known that while Zeke had his issues with Dantley, Dumars and Dantley were REALLY close. However, this trade helped him more than anyone.

  

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78. "This is only being debated because people dislike Basaglia. "
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This case was closed decades ago.

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80. "I mean if the teammates said so themselves, they won 2 in a row..."
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I really don't know how you can go back and refute this.

It's just hard for dudes to wrap their head around taking a step backwards to make 2 steps forward.

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82. "well, there's idiots and then there's people who just MAD"
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and yeah, warren would disagree with me if i said isiah hates the chicago murder rate.

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83. "if he hates young people dying, why he try to blame his daughter?"
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85. "nope..."
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88. "yet I stay kicking facts and stats.....lol."
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>and yeah, warren would disagree with me if i said isiah hates
>the chicago murder rate.

dude we've agreed on things before......

you came with your pro zeke agenda and exagerated this trade..and I shut you down with facts...

like I say....I'm pretty sure I'm a couple years older than you at least...

You wasnt paying attention or maybe even alive when all this stuff was happening....

you going by what Isiah said about AD..

I'm going by the facts and the stats...

Adrian Dantley was housin in that finals against the Lakers....Worthy had 5 inches on him and he still shot 57% from the field.....miss me man...lol.

  

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90. "actually, i cut and pasted directly from ESPN..."
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because this is universally known as a great trade. they gave up a first rounder to get rid of AD for aguirre.

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86. "I must say ...you are embarrasing yourself in this post a bit OE...."
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people are making fact base arguments, and you're ignoring them choosing to make this about basa..


anyone who has actually paid attention to debates between basa and myself they usually look like this... basa says something foolish....coolidge brings facts.....basa talks about clothing lines warren coolidge has never worn...

lolol...

it's catching fish out a barrel.....

I don't need to read about things in a book that I actually remember happening.... I was a senior in high school when the pistons and the Lakers met in the finals..... the first basketball season I actually remember was 1977 when Adrian Dantley was the Lakers starting power forward....

I remember vividly Mark Aguirre in College with those Ray Meyer coached teams.....with Clyde Bradshaw and Skip Dillard.... they had a nice battle with a David Greenwood led UCLA team..

I know this stuff man..... Warren Coolidge doesn't make frivolous arguments....He knoweth what he speaketh...lol.

  

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87. "you still talking about stuff that don't matter"
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89. "when you get sonned it never matters player.... lol..."
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Adrian Dantley didn't stop zeke from getting more rings...zeke stopped zeke.....maybe he shouldn't have thrown the ball to Larry Bird.....maybe he should have for once gotten along with a superstar peer....

he didnt' get along with AD and they moved AD..... the exageration of the impact of this trade is something that's been discussed for years.....

  

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121. "thats my whole point of #44...his usage was hurting them"
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and look what happened in the 89 Finals

Joe D MVP

  

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84. "Adrian Dantley's game 1 of the '88 finals...ON THE ROAD"
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returing to the fabulous forum to play against his former team the Lakers...


AD scored 34 points on 14-16 from the field....scoring 22 points in the 2nd half...

the pistons won the game and took home court advantage from the Lakers...

in fact...in that finals....AD led the Pistons in scoring with a 21.3ppg and shot an amazing 57% from the field....

yeah...he was a bum..and the pistons needed to get rid of him for aguirre to finally be a great team...lolololololol....

People for years have done a lot of exagerating and justifying about that trade..

what this deal was about was Isiah did not get along with Adrian Dantley....

GASP!!!!!!

Isiah didn't get along with one of his peers??????? Wow...I never heard of such a thing...

lololol.....

Isiah was the type of guy to fight his teammates...opponents....and so-called friends...all that is well documented....and often gets a pass because he was a great player and got his team a couple of titles...

but the same attitude problem and inability to get along with peers we saw with Adrian Dantley is also the type of thing we saw later with other people....and it cost the guy a dream team bid.

not to say that AD was always the best teammate...but he was always a great player and a winner...from DeMatha High school.....to being on the Notre Dame team that broke UCLA's long winning streak....to player power forward for the Lakers at 6'4..... to becoming a scoring champion with the Jazz...

the guy was a solid player and the Pistons may have even won more titles with him if their point guard was the type of player who got along better with his peers.

  

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92. "so you cysing dantley or offering a referendum on zeke's legend?"
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dantley the one with no rings.

and don't kid yourself...he wasn't well-liked either.

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113. "uh...Adrian Dantley does have a ring....."
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He played for the 1989 Champion Detroit Pistons....

unless bitch ass zeke figured out a way to make sure AD didn't get a ring even though he played on the team during that championship season..

which wouldn't suprise me at all.

  

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118. "dantley is not a champion, dogg"
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119. "He has a championship ring in the NBA....he won championships"
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in high school....and his college team accomplished something historical in breaking UCLA's long winning streak.

Dantley had a better and more productive overall career than Mark Aguirre....

  

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120. "no he doesnt...no roster spot at the end, no ring"
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123. "anyone who plays on a team that season is eligible for a ring and"
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a share of the championship bonus...

that's how it works...

now teams vote on who to give shares and rings too...but everyone who played on the team is eligble...

Steve Mix got a ring with the Sixers even though he played for the Lakers in the finals when the Sixers got their ring...

  

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124. "you are a CLOWN...dantley never won an NBA title. end of story."
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126. "https://www.google.com/search?q=adrian+dantley+championship+ring&rlz=1C1..."
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https://www.google.com/search?q=adrian+dantley+championship+ring&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS497US497&aq=1&oq=adrian+dantley+cha&aqs=chrome.2.57j0l3j62l2.6558&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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93. "the fact that the Kani customer is still debating this...."
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just PROVES that he mad and doesn't think when it comes to isiah thomas or me. it's pathological at this point.

this bamma ass dude wrote....

"if Aguirre was an upgrade for the Pistons it was strictly about team chemistry"

IT ***WAS*** ABOUT TEAM CHEMISTRY!!! THAT'S THE POINT!!! WHAT ARE WE DEBATING?!?! i said AD took too many damn shots and that he sucked on D and didn't wanna concede time to worm and salley. he busts up in this thread....cubans ALL THAT and says "well, dantley was better than aguirre." WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!

this dude really must have a damn kani microchip processing information in his damn skull.

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97. "i think there's an interesting argument to be had"
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in 1988, the Pistons faced a full-strength Lakers team. They nearly won, losing game 6 on a tough call against Laimbeer, and losing game 7 with Isiah hurting

in 1989, the Pistons faced a Lakers team with the starting backcourt injured

in 1990, Kareem retired and the Pistons faced a Blazers team that wasn't as good as the Showtime Lakers

it would certainly be possible without madness or a personal vendetta for somebody to argue that the Pistons were just as good with Dantley, and it was weaker finals opponents that put them over the top in the next 2 years, not the acquisition of Aguirre

  

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99. "they were going to LOSE to the bulls in 1989, dogg...."
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Rodman and Salley's emergence on DEFENSE put them over the top.

i really thought this was common knowledge. i really did.

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102. "box score bobby"
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playoffs '88:
rodman - 20.6 mpg
salley - 27.1 mpg

playoffs '89:
rodman - 24.1
salley - 23.1

playoffs '90:
rodman - 29.5 mpg
salley - 27.4 mpg

they actually played less combined in 89 than 88. then there's a noticeable jump in 90

so your argument would make some sense looking at 90, but not 89

  

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103. "NOPE!!! them 4 more minutes rodman played mattered"
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104. "ok"
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109. "Doug Collins had NO answer for Dantley..."
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The Bulls weren't beating the Pistons as it were...

The Bulls confidence after the Dantley trade...Doug Collins saw it.


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127. "iono B, LA was UNDEFEATED in the playoffs going into the finals..."
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I'd given Detroit a slight edge due to homecourt and the revenge factor but to say it was a given that Detroit was going to win if Magic & B. Scott were healthy?? Iono...


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129. "It's definitely a fair point.. and I ride for Zeke so no agenda for me"
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I mean, do the 88 Pistons win w/ with Aguirre? I don't think so..

I definitely think the 89 Pistons team wins w/ AD given the injuries to the Lakers backcourt.

Do the 90 Pistons beat Portland w/ AD? I think so. They won the series in 5 games.. I think they were better..

You can possibly argue for better team chemistry but I think the outcomes would have also been similar all other things being held constant.

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112. "lol.... what are you like 12 years old..."
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>just PROVES that he mad and doesn't think when it comes to
>isiah thomas or me. it's pathological at this point.

corny ass nigga....

why would I be mad???

My teams won...

My pro team is the greatest professional sports team in modern American history...

My college team has won more national titles than any other basketball program....

Magic Johnson won...

I got the best hand player...


>this bamma ass dude wrote....
>
>"if Aguirre was an upgrade for the Pistons it was strictly
>about team chemistry"
>
>IT ***WAS*** ABOUT TEAM CHEMISTRY!!! THAT'S THE POINT!!! WHAT
>ARE WE DEBATING?!?!

One of the greatest trade deadline moves ever needs to be more than about passifying a bitch ass point guard who cant get along with another hall of fame scorer....ie team chemistry.

As others are correctly pointing out....the Pistons were going to win anyway.... they were not in a position where they were in the shitter and needed to change team chemistry.... Adrian Dantely balled out in the finals the season before and again like others are pointing out..is one of the leagues all time scorers.....

Isiah's inability to get along with another star player...which was his m.o. prompted a trade whose importance has been exagerated for years..

You called this one of the great trade deadline moves to give props to Isiah....

Isiah prompt the trade of a guy who was a better player is nothing to brag about...



i said AD took too many damn shots and
>that he sucked on D and didn't wanna concede time to worm and
>salley. he busts up in this thread....cubans ALL THAT and says
>"well, dantley was better than aguirre." WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!

He made more shots. ie game 1 of the 88 finals. Mark Aguirre was at least just as bad on D.

again...why would a hall of fame scorer want to give up minutes to a guy who was just working at an airport, and a young player with limited offensive game..

AD would have been a damn fool to gladly give up minutes to those role players... He was a hall of famer and was still ballin....peep the numbers..

plus..that "he didn't want to conceed minutes to worm and spider" is coming straight from Isiah Thomas..... that's what he said...that was his way of trying to pull out of thin air a reason why they traded AD...other than the truth of Isiah was not getting along with another star player....again.

Isiah Thomas bitch ass couldn't stand having another strong egoed star around....He's again a guy famous for fighting with his teammates, friends and acting like an overall tempermental bitch.

that's why the trade was made..

you made it more than about chemistry when you talked about AD not playing D and costing zeke more rings..

nigga do I have to remind you..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_RJ5XN8TK8

bird stole the ball my nigga....lololol..


>
>this dude really must have a damn kani microchip processing
>information in his damn skull.


fool...like I been told you..I ain't never had no karl Kani....and you are mad suspect for fantasizing about another man's dress code..

you are a black Duke fan who likes Isiah Thomas....Lord knows what your dress code is...

  

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98. "THA TEACHA! Got TRADET!"
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My Detroit niggas was HOT at that trade

They was partying 4 months later

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100. "Why is this even being argued? This debate was over when thy won"
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back to back chips after making the trade. Nothing else needs to even be discussed.

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101. "Was the Aguirre trade that critical? MJ quit in that series anyway lol"
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Aguirre Shaky In New Role
Scoring Sinks With Pistons
May 26, 1989|By Sam Smith.

Rick Mahorn peered menacingly at Mark Aguirre a couple of stalls down in the Pistons` plush locker room.

``This ain`t Dallas,`` Mahorn shouted, a smile edging away at the corners of his lips, but a scowl in his heart. ``Don`t go messing things up here.``

``Yeah,`` piped in Bill Laimbeer from another booth away. ``And no more of this wearing suits on the road. You dress like the rest of us or stay home.``

The Pistons got their message across to Mark Aguirre: Fit in or get out.

But the irony is that the behavioral straitjacket Aguirre has agreed to wear may work against the Pistons` hopes for a National Basketball Association championship.

That`s because Adrian Dantley, traded for Aguirre on Feb. 15, was one of the toughest players in the league for the Bulls to defend against. He`s gone and Aguirre, a great scorer, has been reduced to a supplementary role.

``Dantley gave us fits,`` Bulls coach Doug Collins says. ``Our small forwards were always in foul trouble, and they (the Pistons) were shooting a lot of free throws, which got them into the pace they wanted.

``Not to take anything away from Aguirre, who`s a great player, but I think we have more confidence playing Aguirre instead of Dantley. It`s like in baseball, where a guy might hit (Nolan) Ryan, but no one else can. A lot of it is mental.``

It may lead to some thinking for the Pistons.

One of the principal reasons they made the trade was to get Dennis Rodman in the game at crucial times. They believed Dantley would react negatively toward that. Since Aguirre arrived, Rodman has played extensively in the fourth quarter, with Aguirre`s key fourth-quarter play Tuesday an exception.

The Pistons were 29-4 with Aguirre as a starter, so the change has been hard to dispute.

Against the Bulls, the Pistons lose their edge at small forward because the Bulls feared Dantley, not Aguirre or Rodman. With the Pistons` scoring 88 points in Game 1, they clearly need more offense.

Yet, Aguirre doesn`t seem prepared to provide it, in no small part because of his reputation as a selfish scorer.

``He`s tried to fit in and has done it well,`` Pistons assistant Brendan Suhr says. ``But he`s a great scorer, and we do want him to be more assertive.``

Even his buddy Isiah Thomas once scolded Aguirre during a game, saying:

``Face the hoop more. At least give the impression you might shoot.``

Collins says he understands, if he also hides his satisfaction at the meshing of Mark Aguirre.

``It`s like when Julius (Erving) came to Philadelphia,`` Collins says.

``It was a new situation and we had some great scorers and he wanted to be accepted by the team. He wanted to fill a role, do what was asked.``

Just what Mark Aguirre has felt.

``I`m here for what we need,`` says Aguirre, averaging 12.4 in 10 playoff games. For his career, he`s a 23-point playoff scorer.

``I do what I`m asked to do,`` he says. ``I`ve always been looked at as a scorer, the guy to carry the situation. But this situation is not set up for me to score, to get a lot of points.``

After arriving in Detroit, he averaged 15.6 points during the season against a 24.9-point-a-game career average.

``With this team, I score when I get an opportunity or when things break down,`` Aguirre says. ``But that makes it tougher for teams. And I`m comfortable. I`m just playing basketball.

``When I came here, Chuck (Daly) didn`t put in any new plays for me. I didn`t detract from the offense any. I just came out and did all I can. I can pass the ball, rebound. I`m not great at defense, but I`ve been playing a little better. If anything, I added to this team. They didn`t look to go to me. I can get my points in the flow of the game.``

Yet against the Bulls, he has averaged 11 points in two games; Dantley averaged 23.5 in his four games this season against Chicago.

``Sure it was different coming here and not having plays run for you,``

Aguirre says. ``I was always a scorer, coming off screens, guys looking for you. Early on, I felt lost. But I`m playing the game the Pistons want me to play.

``We just play ball and we want to win. Because if you`re not winning, it`s not a lot of fun. I know I`m not the best basketball player in the NBA, but I can play the game. What I`m doing here might not look as good on paper, but it`s important to the team.

``Before, too much limelight came my way. And I think that caused me problems. Now I just want to win. There are no individual goals here. Everyone is dedicated to winning. I feel comfortable. I just want to fit in.``

Maybe right into the Bulls` plans.





and THEN...




Life As A Piston Hasn`t Been Easy For Aguirre
April 22, 1990|By Corky Meinecke, Knight-Ridder Newspapers.



AUBURN HILLS, MICH. — The Detroit Pistons have asked a lot of small forward Mark Aguirre since acquiring him from the Dallas Mavericks more than a season ago.

Change attitude.

Lose weight.

Play defense.

Shoot less.

Sit more.

No player wants to go from All-Star to seldom-star, but Aguirre has grudgingly accepted the plan. In January, he surrendered his starting position to defensive demon Dennis Rodman-a move that triggered the Pistons` 25-1 run but doomed Aguirre to his worst statistical year in nine NBA seasons.

With one game left in the regular season, Aguirre, 30, is averaging 13.4 points-4.5 points lower than last season and 10.7 points below his scoring average before the season. He has averaged 25.5 minutes and 11.4 shots-down from 33.8 and 20.4 in 1987-88, his last full season with the Mavericks.

``I`m trying to make it work for us,`` Aguirre said the other day after practice. ``And I hope it`s understood that I`ve been surrendering a lot of things.``

In his wallet, especially. About a month before the Pistons sent Adrian Dantley to Dallas for Aguirre, Mavs owner Donald Carter verbally agreed to double Aguirre`s salary to $1.4 million. But a formal agreement was never drawn up, and the Pistons are bound only to a pact that will pay Aguirre $738,000 annually through the 1996-97 season.

``I really don`t like talking contract during the year,`` Aguirre said,

``but I think something will be done after the season. Either way, something has to happen. As it is, I`m horribly underpaid.

``But Jack (McCloskey, the Pistons` general manager) knows basketball. If he feels he can use me, then he`ll go ahead and do something. If not, then he might trade me. But it`s a situation they have to look at next year.``

Still, McCloskey first has to make tough decisions concerning veteran guard Vinnie Johnson, who becomes an unrestricted free agent at season`s end, and power forward John Salley, who becomes a restricted free agent at next season`s end.

A lot also depends on how well Aguirre performs in the playoffs. He ended the 1989 NBA finals with a thud, going 1 for 11 and scoring just four points in the last two games of the Pistons` four-game sweep of the Los Angeles Lakers. Worse yet, he tipped the scales at nearly 250 pounds.

``I played horribly the last two games,`` Aguirre said, ``and a lot was made of that. But before that, I did OK.``

In the first 15 games of the playoffs, Aguirre averaged 14 points and shot 51 percent from the field. Included was a 25-point performance against the Bulls in the Eastern Conference finals.

But when push comes to shove-and it usually does in the playoffs-Pistons coach Chuck Daly may have eyes only for Rodman, who can smother everyone from Michael Jordan to Patrick Ewing. Aguirre, at just 6 feet 6 inches, has trouble with just about every one of league`s starting small forwards.

``I`ll never be a great defensive player,`` Aguirre said, ``but I`m better than I was when I first got here.``

Daly may have given Aguirre a preview of things to come in a game against the Celtics on April 3. Aguirre never left the bench in the second half, mostly because Rodman had wrapped himself around Celtics star Larry Bird. The Pistons won by 11 points, holding Boston to just 82.

``Well, Mark wasn`t happy,`` Daly said, shrugging his shoulders. ``And I knew Mark wasn`t happy. But it`s my job.``

Aguirre insisted otherwise.

``Hey, `Worm` was doing a great job against Bird,`` he said of Rodman.

``He was on a roll. You don`t take him out in those situations. I was thinking about the win. Now, if I was thinking about my statistics and my contract, I would have been out of here last year.``

Aguirre has been a puzzle to many coaches, but Daly claimed to have ``a pretty good feel for him.`` What the coach sees is a ``multidimensional player who can do about anything he wants to do. He has amazing skills, and it`s only a matter of how hard he wants to work on a given night.``

Aguirre might be better off playing shooting guard, especially if Rodman remains healthy and productive. Daly has experimented with Aguirre at that position, with mixed results. He possesses the required shooting and ball-handling skills, but Daly isn`t sure how long Aguirre would be willing to chase the likes of Jordan, Hersey Hawkins, Byron Scott and Ricky Pierce.

``He`s capable, but his mentality would have to allow it,`` Daly said.

``When he really wants to work at it, he can do it. I`ve seen him do it. He`s very good at coming off screens and shooting jumpers, but he`s reluctant to do that because he`s never done it in his life. He`ll have space to shoot, but then he`ll take the ball into trouble.``

Said Aguirre: ``I can do it, but I`d probably mess it up for a while.``

Nor is he completely sure that the Pistons will come through with a new contract next year. He might mess that up, too.

``But I would never regret my time here,`` he said. ``I`ve had great fun. I`ve had the opportunity to play on a championship team, something not many people get to do. So far, it`s been totally worth it.``

So far.


















The funny thing about all this...


If the Pistons don't trade Dantley, they may still win 1 of 2 rings if not both...

and considering how we could do NOTHING against the SF position with Dantley giving Pippen fits, if the Pistons let Rodman man the 4 with Laimbeer, Rodman, Dantley, Dumars, Zeke...with Microwave off the bench

the Bulls might not have been able to handle that squad in 91, 92....


Thanks for that trade!


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blueeclipse
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107. "I NEED TO GIVE DANTLEY HIS PROPS TOO!!!"
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I feel I kinda slighted the dude with my ealier post. I still think he was stopping the ball too much and that Dumars needed to become a more focal point of the offense and Worm needed more minutes BUT Adrian Dantley was a GREAT player for the Pistons and he did this thing all while undersized and busted his ass on those squads. It was clear that alot of the younger dudes looked up him and followed him. I'm sure it was probably creating some rifts, especially with Zeke and Laimbeer. People talk alot about managing personalities on the Lakers and Celtics but those Pistons teams had some of the most combustible personalities of that era. I don't know if it was ever a him or me scenario with Dantley and Zeke but obviously we know who's going to win that. I think the issues with Daly and Dantley almost never get talked about in this too. Either way, I was sad to see Dantley go even though at the time I was too young to really understand it. As the years went on I looked back and I understood it once I was on a team myself.

There's no denying it was what needed to happen. Laimbeer has been quoted as saying the Pistons "outgrew" Dantley and I agree. The Pistons were like 5 or 6 games behind the Cavs in the division before the trade and averaging around 90 points. After their scoring average went up like 10 points. That's fuckin huge. It wasn;t because of Aguirre alone but it did allow for more flexibility. The offense opened up, and they could pull Aguirre in the fourth if they wanted for Rodman who's defense was crucial and he could get buckets on energy alone. Dantley wasn't gonna go for that.

  

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cgonz00cc
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128. "right on - i dont mean to shit on him either but cmon"
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it should be obvious that this trade was about Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman needing space to fully come into their own

  

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Ceej
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108. ": )"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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111. "my uncle played against AD when he was at DeMatha"
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just wanted to get that in there.

  

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-DJ R-Tistic-
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115. "As somebody who started watching the NBA at 6 years old in 91,"
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thanks for this thread.

It's soooo much shit that never know until threads like this, or NBA TV specials.

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LegacyNS
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130. "as a hoop fan I'm so sorry you missed the 80s.."
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Sixers, Lakers, Celtics, Pistons and eventually the Bulls would emerge out of that group & rule the 90s..

Also had some other solid teams: Portland, Houston, Dallas, Utah, Cleveland, etc..
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