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"Poll question: Next "Good, but not elite" QB to make the leap?"


          

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Poll result (3 votes)
Schaub (0 votes)Vote
Flynn (1 votes)Vote
Flacco ("Elite" starts @ 2 rings, right?) (0 votes)Vote
Rodgers (see above) (0 votes)Vote
Peyton (see above, also) (0 votes)Vote
Other (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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is an assumption that RG3, Luck, and Wislon aren't there yet?
Feb 05th 2013
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I wanted to include the young guns as a group
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um...
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      the logic here is BLOWING my mind
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really? why?
Feb 05th 2013
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All the Flacco = "elite" talk has me wondering what makes...
Feb 05th 2013
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NFL.com
Feb 05th 2013
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Kaep.
Feb 05th 2013
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Yeap
Feb 05th 2013
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Still needs to learn a 2 minute offense
Feb 05th 2013
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^^^^is this guy serious?
Feb 05th 2013
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      He took a TO or 2 Sunday when he couldn't call a play in a pinch
Feb 05th 2013
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           I agree. It was his 10th start, though. Plenty of time to learn nm
Feb 05th 2013
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           But you think execution was the problem over strategy?
Feb 05th 2013
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for some reason I see Kaep getting concussed next year
Feb 05th 2013
20
      knock on wood, but he knows how to miss tackles
Feb 05th 2013
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      I'd be nervous if I were Harbaugh in that division with them bruisers
Feb 05th 2013
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           he survived Pollard nm
Feb 05th 2013
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                on the real tho, there were some runs where he was truly lucky
Feb 06th 2013
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      Yeah that running QB shit has a short shelf life
Feb 05th 2013
29
Oh, so you ain't got Romo on that list?
Feb 05th 2013
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lol
Feb 05th 2013
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why u hating tho? - lol
Feb 05th 2013
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Cmon...
Feb 05th 2013
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if elite means 2 rings, then elite is meaningless
Feb 05th 2013
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End of post.
Feb 05th 2013
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yup
Feb 05th 2013
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"Elite" means matter of opinion.
Feb 05th 2013
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Jim Plunkett is an elite QB
Feb 05th 2013
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you don't have to have 2 rings to be elite and because you
Feb 05th 2013
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^^^ Shots fired at Eli
Feb 05th 2013
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nah...he elite but it isn't just because he got 2 rings
Feb 05th 2013
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I'm sayin. By that logic Marino wasn't elite
Feb 06th 2013
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To me top be an elite QB you have to EARN a ring that means not some...
Feb 05th 2013
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who cares, shit changes every yr depending on who gets hot in the playof...
Feb 05th 2013
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it's King Kappa but... 'elite' has 0 to do with rings
Feb 05th 2013
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Yeah this 'starts at two rings' shit is ham & cheese
Feb 06th 2013
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      lol you still mad
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           Make the playoffs next year and I'll resume my mad making
Feb 07th 2013
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Baby steps, Flacco fans...
Feb 05th 2013
33
All that tells you is how meaningless the pro bowl is nowadays
Feb 06th 2013
42
Cutler
Feb 05th 2013
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Ice Ice baby
Feb 06th 2013
38
Flacco's about to get PAID though
Feb 06th 2013
41
Eli also happens to be the most clutch QB in the NFL.
Feb 06th 2013
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except when he doesn't. like 2012.
Feb 06th 2013
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that ATL game was as unwinnable as it got, and...
Feb 07th 2013
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Jay Cutler or Philip Rivers?
Feb 06th 2013
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Who gives a fuck about elite?
Feb 06th 2013
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Flacco without strongarming ass receivers would be trash
Feb 07th 2013
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true. he does have a tendency to just launch it
Feb 07th 2013
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Lach
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1. "is an assumption that RG3, Luck, and Wislon aren't there yet?"
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or aren't elite yet? Cuz imo if healthy, RG3 should make the leap next season to being immediately elite.

  

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3. "I wanted to include the young guns as a group"
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RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kapernick... but Eli wasn't considered elite until his 2nd ring... so what about Flacco, Rodgers, Peyton... hell, Brees?

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7. "um..."
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>RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kapernick... but Eli wasn't considered
>elite until his 2nd ring... so what about Flacco, Rodgers,
>Peyton... hell, Brees?

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15. "the logic here is BLOWING my mind"
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4. "really? why?"
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2. "All the Flacco = "elite" talk has me wondering what makes..."
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an "elite" QB?

Alot have great stats.
Some have 1 ring.
A few have multiple rings.

Where's the bar... and who's closest to jumping over it?

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6. "NFL.com "
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did a feature on it they ranked guys in all the important stats i think only brady was top 5 in each of their categories. It's worth searching for

  

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5. "Kaep."
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19. "Still needs to learn a 2 minute offense"
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25. "He took a TO or 2 Sunday when he couldn't call a play in a pinch"
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I think being able to make the little tweaks show a QB's true COMMAND of the offense. He doesn't seem to get deep into his progressions either but my point is that he's still got alot of growing to do as a QB. Clearly a good player but there's still alot of room for improvement.

Luckily, he's on a great team that made the NFC championship last year and likely would've made it again this year without him... he makes them better but the team's success isn't as leveraged to his own as some teams are to their own QBs.

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28. "I agree. It was his 10th start, though. Plenty of time to learn nm"
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20. "for some reason I see Kaep getting concussed next year"
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I don't wish that on him, but I just see a violent collision one day.

  

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22. "knock on wood, but he knows how to miss tackles"
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very smart with his run game imo.

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24. "I'd be nervous if I were Harbaugh in that division with them bruisers"
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27. "he survived Pollard nm"
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37. "on the real tho, there were some runs where he was truly lucky"
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that he didn't get leveled.

  

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29. "Yeah that running QB shit has a short shelf life"
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8. "Oh, so you ain't got Romo on that list?"
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Romo? lol

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34. "why u hating tho? - lol"
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16. "Cmon..."
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9. "if elite means 2 rings, then elite is meaningless"
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Dan Marino wasn't elite? Peyton wasn't and isn't elite? One-ring Brett Favre and Steve Young weren't elite?

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36. ""Elite" means matter of opinion."
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There aren't any standards outside of what you think they are.

Hence, this post.

Romo?

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11. "Jim Plunkett is an elite QB"
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Should be in the HOF with his 2 Rings.

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12. "you don't have to have 2 rings to be elite and because you"
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got 2 don't make you elite either.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "nah...he elite but it isn't just because he got 2 rings"
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that being said he gotta come hard next season to stay on the list.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "I'm sayin. By that logic Marino wasn't elite"
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17. "To me top be an elite QB you have to EARN a ring that means not some..."
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caretaker-DLG shit like Trent Dilfer or even early Tom Brady, your team has to actually rely on you to throw the ball to be successful, OR if you don't have a ring you have to be consistently statistically dominant over an extended period of time.

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30. "who cares, shit changes every yr depending on who gets hot in the playof..."
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couple yrs ago cats here was talking like big ben had next
now you barely hear him mentioned
top tier QBs are Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees
anybody other than that gotta give me a couple of YEARS of elite regular season play + some kind of serious playoff run
half these guys being named just starting out, let D.Coord's get an offseason to adjust first before we crown nigs damn

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31. "it's King Kappa but... 'elite' has 0 to do with rings"
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even those who are fortunate to play for teams who have 2 or more

Brady officially became elite in the Cheat Code Season 2007...
The Pats shouldn't even be going deep in the playoffs with their defense

  

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40. "Yeah this 'starts at two rings' shit is ham & cheese"
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Eli gets moved to this list because he knows how to throw a good jump ball?
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45. "lol you still mad"
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50. "Make the playoffs next year and I'll resume my mad making"
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I just ain't buyin the 'elite' based on rings bs

Bob Griese is in the HOF and I'm old enough to know that dude wasn't even a top 5 talent in his day
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33. "Baby steps, Flacco fans..."
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List of active NFL QBs who have made at least 1 Pro Bowl:

Michael Vick
Matt Hasselbeck
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Derek Anderson
Ben Roethlisberger
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Schaub
Matt Cassell
Matt Ryan
Andy Dalton
Cam Newton
Robert Griffin III

Technically not retired:
David Garrard
Vince Young


ctrl + f "Joe Flacco"; results = 0.

21 names. 0 Joe Flaccos.

  

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42. "All that tells you is how meaningless the pro bowl is nowadays"
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35. "Cutler "
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38. "Ice Ice baby"
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41. "Flacco's about to get PAID though"
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of course the kalifornian is quietly peeping

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8922038/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-talks-joe-flacco-new-contract

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43. "Eli also happens to be the most clutch QB in the NFL."
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And makes receivers. And wills his team to win 'unwinnable' games.

Keep taking shots though.

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46. "except when he doesn't. like 2012."
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>And makes receivers

  

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48. "that ATL game was as unwinnable as it got, and..."
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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44. "Jay Cutler or Philip Rivers?"
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i mean those two come to mind and they been on the cusp and its make or break

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47. "Who gives a fuck about elite?"
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Man this word has been taken the fuck over. It used to mean among the best now it means some arbitrary bean counting bullshit. I don't care, I just want wins and titles. Dan Marino is one of the best to ever do it and doesn't have a title. He was AWESOME. At the end of the day, I don't give a fuck how many touchdowns he threw for though. No title. Somewhere Trent Dilfer is smiling and shining his ring. Who gives a fuck about elite. Ask Browns fans if they woulda took a Trent Dilfer led title over the shit they've had to watch. The first Steelers Super Bowl win I saw was in 2006. Ben played like shit. We won. I didn't care about elite. I watched Neil O'Donnell literally throw a Super Bowl win away ten years earlier and as bad as Ben played Neil was worse. TEN YEARS. It's a team game man. If your guy is on a good team and does just enough to not completely fuck up then it's gravy. That's still better than the Marino being Superman playing on shitty ass teams that ain't winning shit.

  

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49. "Flacco without strongarming ass receivers would be trash"
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lesser receivers aren't catching those long bombs every time

He got a arm but let's not act brand new

Last season EVERYONE was clowning his ass when he was calling himself elite

eh, then again reminds me of Eli in 2011

  

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51. "true. he does have a tendency to just launch it"
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he's got the receivers to catch em.

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