I think there needs to be one. This season really drove the point home for me, watching the Seahawks, Ravens & Falcons receivers fighting like pitbulls for EVERY jump ball/heavily contested pass. That type of play gives guys like Flacco, Wilson & Ryan an extra boost confidence-wise and statistically. There are some quarterbacks who don't have the luxury of throwing up a jump ball with confidence.
When you look at the stats of guys like Randy Moss* & Desean Jackson (to a lesser extent) you can see that their numbers likely overstate their overall impact. Catches, yards & drops don't tell the whole story. I'm sure the teams have a way of determining such things but as a fan it would be cool to get in on the fun.

*For those who aren't interested in this metric you can feel free to offer a Randy Moss critique in this post*


_________________________________________
The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show
http://thecombatjackshow.com/

Make the octopussy do the watusi for the night

pinning the ball against their helmet an shit.

this is a huge factor. some of the greatest qb's of all time benefitted from this. LOTS of times marino would throw shit high across the middle and duper or clayton would risk their bodies to go up and grab it. (and on the times when they didn't, marino would be bitching at them which is one of the reasons i couldn't stand his ass).

bradshaw benefitted from lynn swann and john stallworth.

favre was blessed w/ an abundance of them cats. one go down, another joker step up and jump super high in traffic to snag a fun ball and land on his neck. in the present incarnation, a rod got a gang of dudes (which is what made james jones droppin ass so glaring) that will go up and get that rock, or contort their body to snag them back shoulder throws.

that's not to denigrate any of those QBs. part of being a great qb is like being a great point guard -- knowing the capabilities of the person you're passing to... based upon coverage do they want it high or low - close to their bodies? on a rope? rainbow trajectory so that they can use their bodies to shield the defender?

*For those who aren't interested in this metric you can feel
>free to offer a Randy Moss critique in this post*
>

randy USED to be that kind of receiver. only on deep routes, but that's all he generally did and he did it on a whole other echelon than anyone else whoever did it. you would have double or triple coverage on dude and he would simply come down with the ball. i used to love watching him do the 'up and over' thing where he'd be running stride for stride w/ the db, but the ball was inside and he'd go up, and come down to the middle of the field, effortlessly cradling the ball w/ the db looking absolutely helpless.

he was never the dude to make contested grabs on comebacks, because when he had that top end speed he was never CONTESTED on comebacks. they'd give him so much cushion he always had 3-4 yds between him and the nearest defender when he caught the ball on a sharp breaking route. and on crossing routes, even if someone seemed step for step, if you laid it out in front of him (vs. man. randy was never big on running into the middle of a zone) he would snag it and turn on that next gear and separate.

i have to think that some of the issues this year were his OC simply not using randy and drawing up routes like he's any WR. if he's not a viable threat to run a clearout 9, at least throw him jumpballs near the sideline. start him in the slot and run 7's against cover 2 while you hold the safeties w/ crabtree and vernon davis.

don't be running randy on buttonhooks an shit. not taking all the heat off randy. i ain't really analyze the SB or the other games like that this year. but going off how ass the playcalling was on that final drive, as well as where i saw them trying to get randy the ball, i'm not sure that all of the dropoff is on moss. he still 1st ballot HoF.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
** i move away from the mic to breathe in

>pinning the ball against their helmet an shit.
>
>this is a huge factor. some of the greatest qb's of all time
>benefitted from this. LOTS of times marino would throw shit
>high across the middle and duper or clayton would risk their
>bodies to go up and grab it. (and on the times when they
>didn't, marino would be bitching at them which is one of the
>reasons i couldn't stand his ass).
>
>bradshaw benefitted from lynn swann and john stallworth.
>
>favre was blessed w/ an abundance of them cats. one go down,
>another joker step up and jump super high in traffic to snag a
>fun ball and land on his neck. in the present incarnation, a
>rod got a gang of dudes (which is what made james jones
>droppin ass so glaring) that will go up and get that rock, or
>contort their body to snag them back shoulder throws.
>
>that's not to denigrate any of those QBs. part of being a
>great qb is like being a great point guard -- knowing the
>capabilities of the person you're passing to... based upon
>coverage do they want it high or low - close to their bodies?
>on a rope? rainbow trajectory so that they can use their
>bodies to shield the defender?
>
>*For those who aren't interested in this metric you can feel
>>free to offer a Randy Moss critique in this post*
>>
>
>randy USED to be that kind of receiver. only on deep routes,
>but that's all he generally did and he did it on a whole other
>echelon than anyone else whoever did it. you would have double
>or triple coverage on dude and he would simply come down with
>the ball. i used to love watching him do the 'up and over'
>thing where he'd be running stride for stride w/ the db, but
>the ball was inside and he'd go up, and come down to the
>middle of the field, effortlessly cradling the ball w/ the db
>looking absolutely helpless.
>
>he was never the dude to make contested grabs on comebacks,
>because when he had that top end speed he was never CONTESTED
>on comebacks. they'd give him so much cushion he always had
>3-4 yds between him and the nearest defender when he caught
>the ball on a sharp breaking route. and on crossing routes,
>even if someone seemed step for step, if you laid it out in
>front of him (vs. man. randy was never big on running into the
>middle of a zone) he would snag it and turn on that next gear
>and separate.
>
>i have to think that some of the issues this year were his OC
>simply not using randy and drawing up routes like he's any WR.
>if he's not a viable threat to run a clearout 9, at least
>throw him jumpballs near the sideline. start him in the slot
>and run 7's against cover 2 while you hold the safeties w/
>crabtree and vernon davis.
>
>don't be running randy on buttonhooks an shit. not taking all
>the heat off randy. i ain't really analyze the SB or the other
>games like that this year. but going off how ass the
>playcalling was on that final drive, as well as where i saw
>them trying to get randy the ball, i'm not sure that all of
>the dropoff is on moss. he still 1st ballot HoF.
>
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.
>
>www.twitter.com/poetx
>
>=========================================
>** i move away from the mic to breathe in

turn around and be out. While I agree that there wasn't enough drawn up to complement his strengths, the extra effort just wasn't there from Randy. I think Kap's pick was a good example of that.

_________________________________________
The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show
http://thecombatjackshow.com/

Make the octopussy do the watusi for the night

That's pretty much catches divided by targets which tells you how often the WR will come down with the ball, but there's a whole lot of noise in that. It doesn't tell you how difficult those targets may be. A guy like Boldin has a pretty average catch rate but he gets a lot of difficult targets when Flacco needs to bail him out.

There should be something said for guys who get wide open too. At their best, guys like Desean and Moss didn't have to make a ton tough contested catches cause they burn their guys so bad consistently, while someone like Boldin might have to make a ton of contested catches cause he doesn't have the same type of burst.

>That's pretty much catches divided by targets which tells you
>how often the WR will come down with the ball, but there's a
>whole lot of noise in that. It doesn't tell you how difficult
>those targets may be. A guy like Boldin has a pretty average
>catch rate but he gets a lot of difficult targets when Flacco
>needs to bail him out.
>
>There should be something said for guys who get wide open too.
>At their best, guys like Desean and Moss didn't have to make a
>ton tough contested catches cause they burn their guys so bad
>consistently, while someone like Boldin might have to make a
>ton of contested catches cause he doesn't have the same type
>of burst.


_________________________________________
The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show
http://thecombatjackshow.com/

Make the octopussy do the watusi for the night

that's why all numbers should be taken in context.

--------

out the air from multiple defenders

PSN ID - dirty_MF_bucks

>out the air from multiple defenders

He's aided Cam's progress tremendously.
Sadly he may end up one of the best ever to not have a bust in Canton.

_________________________________________
The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show
http://thecombatjackshow.com/

Make the octopussy do the watusi for the night

<--- Big Baller World Order

someone who catches the ball at the highest point

Brady's receivers are all deceiving in talent imo with the exception of Gronk and maybe Hernandez. But Welker can be defended if there's no deep threat to open up things for him leaving Brady stuck. I'd really like to trade Hernandez for a wideout.

he doesn't have elite deep ball velocity and accuracy anymore

--------

When you look at the receiving core it's like a mirage. You'd be hard pressed to find a game where someone got deep and Brady missed them. But when every person catching a pass who's not a tight end is over 30, there's a problem.