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Basaglia
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"Iverson being recruited hard by Mavericks"


  

          

their D-league, anyway.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8889753/allen-iverson-eyed-dallas-mavericks-d-league-affiliate-sources-say

again...biggest L in OKS history. by a wide margin. unparalleled. better than Kobe. best lil' man over Zeke?

i mean, we actually had these discussions as recently as 2009...and bammas were SERIOUS!!! KOBE HAD JUST WON ANOTHER TITLE!!!! WTF?!?!?!?

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*shrugs* it was still defensible in 2009
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loling hysterically
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http://youtu.be/avr7enrZuJQ
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http://i.imgur.com/23qD4.png
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He was never on KOBE BEAN BRYANT's level, EVER.
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bruh stop lying.
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lol
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i remember calling Kobe the 6ft6 Iverson on better teams.
Jan 28th 2013
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AWKfMvDtw
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RESPECT THE GOAT
Jan 28th 2013
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biggest L in OKS history...we not having a phantom convo, dogg
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Kobe had a higher PER and WS at age 32
Jan 28th 2013
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it's the biggest L in OKS history...by an incalculable margin
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LOL
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      no one cares.
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      kukoc was decent - but only played 60 games in philly.
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      Ratliff didnt get hurt, they keep Kukoc & don't blow the cap on Old Deke
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      LOL @ cysing those two, especially Kukoc, OMG youre shameless
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      lol they didnt play in the same NBA but whatever
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      Right, Thomas played in a noticably higher scoring era
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           so iverson shot a lot more and scored more, which is ALL he has
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           maybe youre not grasping the term "across the board."
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           by this i assume u mean zeke won more
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                OK so we are comparing the Bad Boys to Keith Van Horn now?
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      RE: Did this guy really just say AI was better than Isaiah?
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MAGMA! (c) Dr. Evil
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PER is bullshit
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      fwiw
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           heyooo
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           i don't have a bone to pick in this argument
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John thompson used to go on rants about that on his radio
Jan 28th 2013
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it wasn't inspired strategy, that's for sure.
Jan 28th 2013
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RE: it wasn't inspired strategy, that's for sure.
Jan 28th 2013
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Neither become Hall of Famers
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      because Hughes became soo efficient after philly
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OMG!!! COACH IS ONE TO TALK!!!
Jan 28th 2013
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      once big john got your back, he got your back
Jan 28th 2013
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           you missing the point
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                IMO UMass was a better team but yeah I agree w/Bags above
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this is why you're full of it
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      LOL
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           please
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                why do you keep bringing up eFG%?
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damn man, easy.... lol
Jan 28th 2013
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Najera is coaching?! Crazy.
Jan 28th 2013
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Mavs need a color commentator?? I thought Ro Blackmon did
Jan 28th 2013
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Good for him & he's still the 2nd greatest under 6 feet..HOF 1st Ballot
Jan 28th 2013
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Ball Hog jones doesn't deserve to be in the same discussion, honestly
Jan 28th 2013
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      Go get yourself a nice lunch bro. I'm just gonna leave it at this.
Jan 28th 2013
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           yeah...2 rings.
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           lol stop
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                yeah...i do. and i know how he had to CHANGE to get those rings
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                     Literally the Nuggets added Chauncey and got immediately better
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                     where?
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           http://tinyurl.com/bz8met5
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           thanks dick
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           Post over...
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           http://tinyurl.com/4pj2s2s
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           "go get yourself a nice lunch" moves into the lexicon
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           OE's "go have a cold glass of coconut water" is still the best
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           ha, i missed that one
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           wayment! you just gave yourself props in 3rd person ROFL
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           agreed, that was good.
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           It was good because it contained a certain amount of
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           LOL ... shut him the fuck down!
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SPM gon show up to this post?
Jan 28th 2013
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o, the Carmelo vs. AI beef was thrown into the fiery pits of Mordor
Jan 28th 2013
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who cares who's better than who, I just wanna see AI hooping again
Jan 28th 2013
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you ask that, yet you've been here since 2004?
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      It's like hatfield and mccoy's. these dudes grandsons
Jan 28th 2013
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      I've been watching you guys debate this well before I signed on
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nobody said he's better than Kobe/Zeke in 09, stop lyin or start linkin
Jan 28th 2013
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A.I. ain't played in years. This shit is beyond weird.
Jan 28th 2013
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i disagree with everything you said...and you clearly mad
Jan 28th 2013
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this post is just more evidence of a bewildering, maintained madness
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      dogg, i stole the AI AWARD from the pro ball usenet group in 1996
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           cool story, bro. you still sad.
Jan 28th 2013
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                and he still ringless and a career .425% shooter...and you mad
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                     ^^Sad Songs http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1306400_o.gif
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                     GOAT's career TS% > isiah's career TS%
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                          iverson played a loser's brand of basketball...deal
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why some calling him GOAT then??? lol. stop it man...
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      see? even me and warren agree....y'all lying like hell
Jan 28th 2013
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      I've defended Isiah in many debates regarding Iverson....
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      That shit has been in jest for like the last 4 years.
Jan 28th 2013
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      jest...you playing that card, dogg....for real?
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           Look who calls A.I. the G.O.A.T...
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                see..here's the thing about most of the Philly fans on here...
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                     2 things W.C. (1 related the other unrelated)
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                          RE: 2 things W.C. (1 related the other unrelated)
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      oh you mad too? over an SPM post & nickname? hold that for ten years
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      Iverson's career prospects are funny too
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      go have a nice lunch, O_Dawg. U know I don't engage u on this topic.
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           I bet my lunch is nicer than Iverson's
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                Fridays has salads,I'm sure
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                     Lol
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      why would I be mad?? AI is a non-factor to me...in fact...
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           u sound it, over an OKS name while regurgitating disproven broke rumors
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                lolo...naw..I don't sound mad. You guys just have hurt feelings
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                     not really but okay
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      Because SPM at the height of his insanity called him that
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      No, there aren't stop lying and acting dumb ...
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           ^^ this what I'm talkin bout ^^
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                senility is a bitch, huh?
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                     1 championship in a city in 25 years a a real bitch.....bitch...lolololo...
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lol
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is Iverson better than Collison?
Jan 28th 2013
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The Mavs must really need a waterboy
Jan 28th 2013
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Hmmmm.....
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those apples look good
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      These Pretzels are Making Me Thirsty
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           the jerk store called
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I mean, we won. Why throw dirt on the guy?
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And he's BROKE ahhahaa!
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actually he's not anywhere close to broke, sorry to dissapoint n/m
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I smell an agenda medley
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Lets be real Iverson was a EVOLUTIONARY PLAYER in a JORDAN way
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Wow...Where Do I Begin?
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      g'head & get us that 50 players better than AI list when u get a chance
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      you are a fucking idiot.
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      AI is Top 50. Everything else I agree on.
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      i respect the college based hatred
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           LOL...Glad You Caught That
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                hahaha... dat GOOD collegiate hate!
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                nope, you said it, name 50
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                     OK, I'll Do So When I Get Home
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                          I know people look at Nique a certain way because we grew up
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                               Here's The Thing
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Offtopic but Basa's Jay-Z agenda gotta be the biggest L in OKP history
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lol i remember his jayz, nas and will sig from when isiah was
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It certainly was
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Not talking about the battle, I'm talking about the war
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      there is no war that shit was made up by Jay stans
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           he made the nga cry on the radio.. there's no coming back from that
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                Legacy/Success/Money/Respect/Beyonce >>>> some rap battle
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Huh? Nas won, thats universally excepted.
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So, he refused. Shame.
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they didn't know the best way to recruit him
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I think we all know WHY though:
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Funny thing is, the Mavs use guys from the D-League.
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      Playing for a lotto team isn't going to help his legacy
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           if he wants to chill, let em. Nobody listened but he said his entire
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bshelly
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1. "*shrugs* it was still defensible in 2009"
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it's not now. he pissed away any small change of catching those two guys because of lack of longevity.

at their peaks, though? ai better than kobe. kobe's peak, relative to other historical greats, really isn't that impressive. what's mind boggling is how long he has sustained that peak, better than any non center in league history (which i think was truth's point in that 34 yo post a couple weeks back).

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3. "loling hysterically "
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>it's not now. he pissed away any small change of catching
>those two guys because of lack of longevity.
>
>at their peaks, though? ai better than kobe. kobe's peak,
>relative to other historical greats, really isn't that
>impressive. what's mind boggling is how long he has sustained
>that peak, better than any non center in league history (which
>i think was truth's point in that 34 yo post a couple weeks
>back).

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "http://youtu.be/avr7enrZuJQ"
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http://youtu.be/avr7enrZuJQ

  

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8. "http://i.imgur.com/23qD4.png"
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http://i.imgur.com/23qD4.png

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96. "He was never on KOBE BEAN BRYANT's level, EVER."
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103. "bruh stop lying."
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even you don't believe that

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Cenario
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2. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "i remember calling Kobe the 6ft6 Iverson on better teams."
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>their D-league, anyway.
>
>http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8889753/allen-iverson-eyed-dallas-mavericks-d-league-affiliate-sources-say
>
>again...biggest L in OKS history. by a wide margin.
>unparalleled. better than Kobe. best lil' man over Zeke?
>
>i mean, we actually had these discussions as recently as
>2009...and bammas were SERIOUS!!! KOBE HAD JUST WON ANOTHER
>TITLE!!!! WTF?!?!?!?

i don't remember that. i never really was in the AI camp.
what i do remember is calling Kobe the 6ft6 Iverson on better teams.
and the way Kobe been playing the majority of this season it's still a pretty good comparison imo lol.

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6. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AWKfMvDtw"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AWKfMvDtw

*Jews you*

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7. "RESPECT THE GOAT"
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Mon Jan-28-13 11:31 AM by Guinness

  

          

iverson put up 26 points on 46% shooting, with 3 rebs, 7 assists and 2 steals at age 32.
kobe's averaging 26 on 47% shooting, with 5 rebs, 5 assists and 1 steal at age 34.

the fact that iverson is three years older than kobe is pretty often forgotten here. and at their best, iverson > kobe. too bad larry brown ruined AI's metrics by surrounding him with defenders and having him take all the shots. as soon as he got to denver--even late in his career--his efficiency soared.

i'm down to have a real conversation about how AI could best have been used. in that PNR offense with a stretch four and a bunch of shooters, philly could have been unstoppable. how do you even attempt to guard that shit? he's too quick and too good of a passer to trap, and no big man could ever keep up on the switch.

  

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Basaglia
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9. "biggest L in OKS history...we not having a phantom convo, dogg"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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10. "Kobe had a higher PER and WS at age 32"
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And PER and WS after 32 isn't even a conversation

Weird how you abandon advanced statistics whenever
you want to

You're an embarrassment

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Basaglia
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12. "it's the biggest L in OKS history...by an incalculable margin"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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17. "LOL"
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how many hall of famers did GOAT play with in philly?
one?
was he supposed to win titles with those teams?
or is the HUGE GLARING L that he was only great until age 32?

GOAT > ZEKE

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=iversal01&y1=2008&p2=thomais01&y2=1994

cry about it.

  

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Basaglia
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19. "no one cares. "
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deke and kucoc weren't slouches, by the way.

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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Guinness
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20. "kukoc was decent - but only played 60 games in philly."
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oh, he also played with a broken-down c-webb.

  

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49. "Ratliff didnt get hurt, they keep Kukoc & don't blow the cap on Old Deke"
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LOL @ bringing Kukoc into it, Sixers were the best team in the league in Toni Kukoc's only season with a full training camp even though LB hated him due to defense.

40-14 at the time of that trade.

And that's the BEST team they ever had by a wide margin.

A team with Theo Ratliff, Ty Hill, George Lynch & Eric Snow as starters with Blue & Kukoc off the bench.

That team had the best record in basketabll.

But yeah, AI wouldn't have gotten any chips while playing the first eight years of his career with Prime Shaq.

*rolls eyes so hard it looks like I'm having a seizure*

  

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71. "LOL @ cysing those two, especially Kukoc, OMG youre shameless"
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21. "lol they didnt play in the same NBA but whatever"
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90. "Right, Thomas played in a noticably higher scoring era"
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You look at the numbers and it's Iverson all day. Obviously Zeke was on better teams. He had some incredible moments. I hate these kind of comparisons because you're always knocking down a great player. Zeke was a true point guard, Iverson was not. But outside of assists, Iverson has the statistical edge in almost every category. He was more explosive and more dominant. Zeke shot a bit better but on way fewer shots, overall efficiency numbers favor AI. Thomas was a better playoff performer but he had a lot more legit opportunities, too, and Iverson's numbers pretty well held, especially looking at Philly only.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Basaglia
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99. "so iverson shot a lot more and scored more, which is ALL he has"
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thank you for that bit of news.

AI can't fukk wit zeke...at all.

____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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113. "maybe youre not grasping the term "across the board.""
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cgonz00cc
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105. "by this i assume u mean zeke won more"
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>Thomas was a better
>playoff performer but he had a lot more legit opportunities,
>too, and Iverson's numbers pretty well held, especially
>looking at Philly only.

which is kind of the point

  

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112. "OK so we are comparing the Bad Boys to Keith Van Horn now?"
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Flip their positions, what happens? Not that much different IMO, the Sixers would likely have been a worse team with Thomas, Iverson would have had to adjust his game a bit playing in Detroit but not all that much. Actually Dumars would have been a damn near perfect backcourt mate for him.

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104. "RE: Did this guy really just say AI was better than Isaiah?"
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Wow ....

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13. "MAGMA! (c) Dr. Evil"
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41. "PER is bullshit"
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and Kobe/s WS/48 and Iverson's WS/48 aren't that different in their age 32 year, fwiw.
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54. "fwiw"
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career WS/48:
Loy Vaught - .101
Allen Iverson - .126
Hersey Hawkins - .136
Anthony Mason - .138
Tracy McGrady - .152
Kobe Bryant - .184

  

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106. "heyooo"
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116. "i don't have a bone to pick in this argument"
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but i wouldn't compare a player who played starters minutes to bench players (Loy Vaught) across positions much (Anthony Mason), or across different career trajectories (McGrady had some great years and then pretty much disappeared).

ws/48 only really works as a comparison in a like against like situation. it's a bit of a mish-mash of a statistic and it's too easy to make biased comparisons of rate based statistics. it does pretty convincinly say kobe was better than AI, but it is biased towards players who played on winning teams.

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16. "John thompson used to go on rants about that on his radio"
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he said coaches were too lazy to truly figure out how to use Iverson, although I wonder how open Iverson was to new ideas after a certain point. Either way, its amazing how dismissive folks are of his career stats/accomplishments.

  

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24. "it wasn't inspired strategy, that's for sure."
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brown said the idea was for iverson to draw double-teams, then have rebounders crash the offensive glass (they did lead the league a couple times in that category as a result). so mostly the scheme was to get iverson on the left side of the court in an iso, and get out of the way. when you start deke/ratliff, snow, lynch and tyrone hill, you're not really looking to score points in a delicate way.

wonder what would have happened if the sixers had taken pierce or dirk instead of hughes.

  

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25. "RE: it wasn't inspired strategy, that's for sure."
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719297/how-kobe-bryant-missed-shots-translate-new-nba-statistic-kobe-assist

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32. "Neither become Hall of Famers"
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>wonder what would have happened if the sixers had taken pierce
>or dirk instead of hughes.

Iverson destroys both of their development by hogging
the fucking ball and not practicing

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102. "because Hughes became soo efficient after philly"
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All yall yelling about Iverson's inefficiencies skip the part where Hughes had the keys in GS to shoot and shooting below 40%.

  

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38. "OMG!!! COACH IS ONE TO TALK!!!"
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____________________________________________________


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40. "once big john got your back, he got your back"
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57. "you missing the point"
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>
John Thompson, a coach previously known for the quality of his big men, turned his team over to Iverson and let him shoot the rock without ceasing. I remember going into the tourney that if they allowed Othella and AI to run a two man game that no one would beat them. But AI shot and shot and shot and shot and UMass took them out. Such a fucking waste.

  

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89. "IMO UMass was a better team but yeah I agree w/Bags above"
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that it's weird that Thompson would say that since he kind of set that whole process in motion

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56. "this is why you're full of it"
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>iverson put up 26 points on 46% shooting, with 3 rebs, 7
>assists and 2 steals at age 32.
>kobe's averaging 26 on 47% shooting, with 5 rebs, 5 assists
>and 1 steal at age 34.

because all you ever use are advanced stats, except when it comes to your boy AI. Then you fall back on traditional stats, because you know how terrible the advanced ones make him look.

for those seasons you're talking about above:
iverson - 20.9 per, .488 eFG%, .163 WS/48
kobe - 23.7 per, .517 eFG%, .189 WS/48

wonder why you didn't use those numbers?

  

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69. "LOL"
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oh, i haven't acknowledged that GOAT's efficiency was all fucked up?

and TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL that you used EFG%, instead of TS%. maybe because AI at 32 shot 57%? which is:

well over kobe's career average
better than all but two of kobe's season TS%

lulz at calling me a hypocrite and then avoiding the numbers yourself. for shame, soundsop.

fact: on the tail end of his career, when iverson played with other offensive threats, he was a more efficient scorer that kobe has been for most of his career (even while playing with arguably four of the top five best big men of the last 15 years).

http://i.imgur.com/FoV5u.gif
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http://i.imgur.com/FoV5u.gif

  

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78. "please"
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>and TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL that you used EFG%, instead of TS%.
>maybe because AI at 32 shot 57%? which is:

kobe is shooting a higher EFG% this season


>fact: on the tail end of his career, when iverson played with
>other offensive threats, he was a more efficient scorer that
>kobe has been for most of his career (even while playing with
>arguably four of the top five best big men of the last 15
>years).

fact: AI had 1 season where he was efficient. 1. And it was only slightly better than kobe's career averages (TS% - .567 vs .555, eFG% - .488 vs .487). Basically every other season he was terrible.

AI's 2nd highest TS% would be the 2nd lowest of Kobe's career

AI's 2nd highest eFG% would be 9th highest of Kobe's career

Between them, here are the top 10 seasons for TS%:
1) .580 Kobe 07
2) .576 Kobe 08
3) .575 Kobe 13
4) .567 AI 08
5) .563 Kobe 05
6) .561 Kobe 09
7) .559 Kobe 06
--- .555 Kobe career avg
8) .552 Kobe 01
9) .551 Kobe 04
10) .550 Kobe 03
.
.
.
--- .518 AI career avg

And the top 10 seasons for eFG%
1) .517 Kobe 13
2) .503 Kobe 08
3) .502 Kobe 07
4) .502 Kobe 09
5) .491 Kobe 06
6) .488 Kobe 00
7) .488 AI 08
8) .488 Kobe 10
9) .487 Kobe 11
--- .487 Kobe career avg
10) .486 AI 98
.
.
.
--- .452 AI career avg

There was no sustained run of AI where he was as efficient as Kobe. 1 season where he was average for Kobe, and every other season where he was an embarrassment

  

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87. "why do you keep bringing up eFG%?"
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and as i said, when GOAT finally got to play with legit offensive players on an uptempo team, even late in his career, his efficiency went up dramatically. the idea that he wouldn't have been even better during his prime is as crazy as the theory that he improved as a veteran through diligent practice.

dude had a 57% TS, was third in the league in scoring, seventh in assists, and seventh in steals at age 32! (i think those numbers are right -- if not, they're around there). it's a goddamn shame he had to spend his prime with tyrone hill.

  

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11. "damn man, easy.... lol"
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Even I feel kinda bad about this one...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
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=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  

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14. "Najera is coaching?! Crazy."
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_________________________

  

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15. "Mavs need a color commentator?? I thought Ro Blackmon did "
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that for them.

  

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18. "Good for him & he's still the 2nd greatest under 6 feet..HOF 1st Ballot"
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Zeke being number 1 of course.



  

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22. "Ball Hog jones doesn't deserve to be in the same discussion, honestly"
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Like, just don't bring up Zeke and AI in the same
discussion

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23. "Go get yourself a nice lunch bro. I'm just gonna leave it at this."
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NBA Rookie of the Year
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28. "yeah...2 rings. "
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____________________________________________________


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29. "lol stop"
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you know too much about basketball for that binary baby-shit

  

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37. "yeah...i do. and i know how he had to CHANGE to get those rings"
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there's that.

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44. "Literally the Nuggets added Chauncey and got immediately better"
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Like, right away



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72. "where?"
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there's no perimeter player outside of bron that could have turned those sixers teams into yearly contenders (and they still probably wouldn't have beaten the lakers/spurs). and the nugs won 50 games, despite GOAT being over thirty, nene being hurt nearly the whole time and anthony carter starting at PG.

i'm not saying GOAT couldn't have done things differently or better, i'm just curious when and where that would have catapulted him onto a more talented team.

  

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30. "http://tinyurl.com/bz8met5"
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http://tinyurl.com/bz8met5

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108. "thanks dick"
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31. "Post over..."
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>2000-2001 Regular Season MVP
>4x Scoring Champ
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>NBA Rookie of the Year
>3x Steals Leader
>3x All-NBA First Team
>3x All-NBA Second Team
>1x All-NBA Third Team
>2x All-Star Game MVP



The rest is just dudes being bored trying to fill time.

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34. "http://tinyurl.com/4pj2s2s"
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http://tinyurl.com/4pj2s2s

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33. ""go get yourself a nice lunch" moves into the lexicon"
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35. "OE's "go have a cold glass of coconut water" is still the best"
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That was good, though

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39. "ha, i missed that one"
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47. "wayment! you just gave yourself props in 3rd person ROFL"
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51. "agreed, that was good."
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107. "It was good because it contained a certain amount of"
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opprobriousness...while at the same time showing genuine concern.

Go bang some trashcans, hoes (c)

  

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42. "LOL ... shut him the fuck down! "
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always wanna talk about Melo though

we know you see this post

  

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27. "o, the Carmelo vs. AI beef was thrown into the fiery pits of Mordor"
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No longer exists


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36. "who cares who's better than who, I just wanna see AI hooping again"
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43. "you ask that, yet you've been here since 2004?"
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80 percent of this board's history can only be understood by understanding kobe v. ai.

----
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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

  

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45. "It's like hatfield and mccoy's. these dudes grandsons"
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will be on OKS aruging about AI vs. Kobe.

  

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66. "I've been watching you guys debate this well before I signed on"
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It's no question who's better than who.
The fact is, that has no bearing on me wanting to see AI hoop.
Regardless of how you rank him, he deserves a better send off than what he's received thus far.

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46. "nobody said he's better than Kobe/Zeke in 09, stop lyin or start linkin"
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AI going to the Hall of Fame, I'm good with his career.

And nah, him falling off 'quick' (if 14/15 years is quick for an undersized guard known for absorbing contact) ain't a bigger L than your cysing of Zeke as a Coach/GM.

Zeke's actual playing career had long since been over (in shorter time than AI's) by the time we got here so it was never about that.

But that GM/Coach/GoodDad shit all actually flopped hard right in front of us.

I mean, he even got fired from a barber-college in the South.

The fact that you stay talking shit about Iverson's playing career to this day because you felt threatened by some 'best little man' fake-ass title is a level of lameness I can't even begin to fathom.

But do you, dawg.

  

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48. "A.I. ain't played in years. This shit is beyond weird."
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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50. "i disagree with everything you said...and you clearly mad"
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>AI going to the Hall of Fame, I'm good with his career.
>
>And nah, him falling off 'quick' (if 14/15 years is quick for
>an undersized guard known for absorbing contact) ain't a
>bigger L than your cysing of Zeke as a Coach/GM.
>
>Zeke's actual playing career had long since been over (in
>shorter time than AI's) by the time we got here so it was
>never about that.
>
>But that GM/Coach/GoodDad shit all actually flopped hard right
>in front of us.
>
>I mean, he even got fired from a barber-college in the South.
>
>The fact that you stay talking shit about Iverson's playing
>career to this day because you felt threatened by some 'best
>little man' fake-ass title is a level of lameness I can't even
>begin to fathom.
>
>But do you, dawg.

____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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59. "this post is just more evidence of a bewildering, maintained madness"
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for decades.....all over a meaningless caveat/qualifier hoop-fan title.

How could I ever compete with that level of distempered dedication?

That's actually not even mad, it's more appropriately just sad.

So yeah we can uh, 'agree to disagree' while you craft another AI thread en route to your next weekly AI Award on your podcast.

  

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61. "dogg, i stole the AI AWARD from the pro ball usenet group in 1996"
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his ball hoggedly losing ways were known well before i had any opinion of his, other than his cross is a blatant carry

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64. "cool story, bro. you still sad."
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68. "and he still ringless and a career .425% shooter...and you mad"
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i had nothing to do with this until zeke was being used to prop up iverson's legend.

y'all got all them individual high-usage awards to cyse and i'mma cyse my guy changed the ENTIRE WAY He PLAYED at 25 years-old in order to win TITLES.

so, you comfy with how AI went about things and i'm ecstatic about how zeke went about defining his legacy...and we gonna leave it there, dogg.

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70. "^^Sad Songs http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1306400_o.gif"
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(Say So Much) http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1306400_o.gif

  

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95. "GOAT's career TS% > isiah's career TS% "
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101. "iverson played a loser's brand of basketball...deal"
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____________________________________________________


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52. "why some calling him GOAT then??? lol. stop it man..."
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there are people on this board right today who would say that AI better than Kobe and zeke....

in 09 they were still woofing that nonsense....

the AI fans on this board have for the most part just pretended that these last few years have not happened....and they still claim he's better...

  

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53. "see? even me and warren agree....y'all lying like hell"
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they need to fix this damn search function.

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76. "I've defended Isiah in many debates regarding Iverson...."
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see...Unlike you I give honest commentary regardless of whether I like a player or not...

  

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55. "That shit has been in jest for like the last 4 years."
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And some niggaz .....most niggaz just can't stand Kobe.

***shrugs***

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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58. "jest...you playing that card, dogg....for real?"
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____________________________________________________


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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62. "Look who calls A.I. the G.O.A.T..."
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Guinness will crusade right now against some high usage rate, long range 2 point jumper shooting cat til the end of time. Yet he thinks A.I. is the G.O.A.T. For reals?

BShelly picks sports agendas like Ving Rhames picks fucking movies. There's no rhyme or reason to either. So there's no reason to take them seriously.

SPM, said "Melo probably got a little fat nigga dick". Nobody else could've or would've said that. And we just went on like, "That's SPM being SPM."

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77. "see..here's the thing about most of the Philly fans on here..."
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they have a history of riding for something..then jumping ship and claiming they were never on the ship.....

  

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83. "2 things W.C. (1 related the other unrelated)"
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1.) At Iverson's peak one could've made the argument he was better than Kobe. That shit wasn't that farfetched. And A.I. is a first ballot HOF player. So, you can't really tear him down too much. This shit seems petty at this point.

2.) Yesterday, in the Trader Joes parking lot I see this thick chick in yoga pants walking and then I notice she's accompanied by this loafing big ass dude. I couldn't really gauge how big he was cuz I was in my car, but then when driving past to catch her face in my rearview, I noticed the dude was none other than Jelani McCoy.

I really didn't know anybody else who would possibly appreciate a Jelani siting other than you, fam. Homeboy could've had a long career if he had his head on right.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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88. "RE: 2 things W.C. (1 related the other unrelated)"
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>1.) At Iverson's peak one could've made the argument he was
>better than Kobe. That shit wasn't that farfetched. And A.I.
>is a first ballot HOF player. So, you can't really tear him
>down too much. This shit seems petty at this point.

I'm certainly not tearing the guy down. I liked him as a player...and was rooting for him to get it together. His demise dissapoints and saddens me really.

just because I would scoff at the idea that he was better than Kobe...or that he should be ranked ahead of Isiah Thomas...doesn't mean I hate the guy. I think he's a great player. No question.

but his demise as a player is due to his unwillingness to adjust his game...he had the ability to adjust it...and he chose not to.


>
>2.) Yesterday, in the Trader Joes parking lot I see this thick
>chick in yoga pants walking and then I notice she's
>accompanied by this loafing big ass dude. I couldn't really
>gauge how big he was cuz I was in my car, but then when
>driving past to catch her face in my rearview, I noticed the
>dude was none other than Jelani McCoy.
>
>I really didn't know anybody else who would possibly
>appreciate a Jelani siting other than you, fam. Homeboy
>could've had a long career if he had his head on right.


lolo..... yeah.... he was a monster...but wanted to smoke weed too much. He would have been a lottery pick had he cooled it with the smoke, and stayed at UCLA. He got some tick with the Lakers for a minute....

at least he got him a thicky...lolol..

  

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60. "oh you mad too? over an SPM post & nickname? hold that for ten years"
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more & you can catch up to Bags.

And when one of y'all can show me evidence of people saying AI was better than Kobe during-let alone-post-09, then do so.

Until then, y'all keep on keeping on with the petty-ass preturbed posting.

It's funny to me at this point.

  

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63. "Iverson's career prospects are funny too"
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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65. "go have a nice lunch, O_Dawg. U know I don't engage u on this topic."
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67. "I bet my lunch is nicer than Iverson's"
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: -(

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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109. "Fridays has salads,I'm sure"
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111. "Lol"
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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75. "why would I be mad?? AI is a non-factor to me...in fact..."
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I honestly feel bad for the guy.... If he had chosen to adjust his game like he should have he would still be playing.

but he chose not to, and is suffering the consequences for it.

I'm pretty sure a reality show is on the horizon for me..

it's honestly a shame because he was a great player ..but I'm concerned that he's going to end up being a prime example of a modern day broke superstar....and that's sad honestly.

  

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84. "u sound it, over an OKS name while regurgitating disproven broke rumors"
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>
>
>I'm pretty sure a reality show is on the horizon for me..
>
>
Lemme know when your reality show starts tho my dude, I'll tune in.

  

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86. "lolo...naw..I don't sound mad. You guys just have hurt feelings"
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over AI's demise so anyone who is speaking on anything related to him...y'all gonna say we mad.

I'll remind you that I have never been a Philly hater....I butt heads with some of their fans on here because besides you and couple others..they are unreasonable and less than honest....but I grew up with the Sixers being my 2nd favorite team, and certainly take no joy in AI's demise....

when and if he does end up a broke modern day superstar I willl actually feel sadness....same as I do for all the other guys who are either there..or on their way there...

nothing good about that stuff at all.

  

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94. "not really but okay"
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81. "Because SPM at the height of his insanity called him that"
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99% of everyone that's said it since then has said it in jest (Guinness...not sure about). Even going into the way-back machine, people that hated him as a player (myself included) predicted he would flame out early because he got/allowed himself to be beaten up.

That he's still given this level of attention in 2013 is something else all together.

  

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91. "No, there aren't stop lying and acting dumb ..."
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you don't need to, you're sincerely stupid often enough.

There is no one saying that now, there was no one saying that in 2009 (I'd say 2007-08 seemed be roughly the cutoff if then) and the GOAT thing is an obvious reference. Cmon

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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92. "^^ this what I'm talkin bout ^^"
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y'all jump shit and then get mad when people point out you was on the ship..

I know y'all feelings hurt over AI's demise... it honestly makes me sad too...but don't get to talkin greasy just cuz ya boy fell off...it happens..

maybe he will go to the D-league.... nba tv shows them games so all is not lost.

  

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114. "senility is a bitch, huh?"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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136. "1 championship in a city in 25 years a a real bitch.....bitch...lolololo..."
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http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site200/2012/0612/20120612_112725_do12%20kings%20stanley%20cup%201.jpg

be mad cholly.....be very mad....lol.

  

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73. "lol"
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74. "is Iverson better than Collison?"
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This has potential in madmaking indeed.


Folks in here threatened at the idea of Iverson coming back to the league and being successful.




http://s17.postimg.org/6r7bfqpnz/kyrieglass.jpg - They Call Him Mr. Glass

  

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79. "The Mavs must really need a waterboy"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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80. "Hmmmm....."
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http://webconnectors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/lowhangingfruit.png

Nah. Nevermind.

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82. "those apples look good"
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85. "These Pretzels are Making Me Thirsty"
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100. "the jerk store called"
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93. "I mean, we won. Why throw dirt on the guy? "
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A year ago I might've been gung ho for this, from an agenda perspective.

No real reason to gloat though. As a fan of the game in general, it's kinda heartbreaking to see a player of his stature wind up in a situation like this. All the rest of that shit is what it is. Let the man have his legacy without trying to shovel dirt on it.

Lakers fans especially, this season should've taught us all a little more humility and perspective in regard to the accomplishments of our 'guy', because while he's playing at a high level, this season is a gargantuan L for him, us, and The Lakers as an organization.

  

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97. "And he's BROKE ahhahaa!"
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98. "actually he's not anywhere close to broke, sorry to dissapoint n/m"
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110. "I smell an agenda medley"
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115. "Lets be real Iverson was a EVOLUTIONARY PLAYER in a JORDAN way"
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for better or worse.

Not only did he change the culture of Basketball for a good 8 years from say 96-04 but he changed the way the game was played.

FOR BETTER OR WORSE.

Everyone wanting scoring do it all smallish guards.

The sudden jump to have zone in the NBA after 2012 to increase passing and perimeter shooting.

The dress code

association with (rap music)

On that alone Iverson is Jordanesque and he is as arrogant, ignorant and Bama as Jordan he didn't put a nice media image on, and ultimately win championships.

Dude is a top 50 player all time.

Top 10 pg all time( I say top 5)

Stop the hate, no agenda give the man his props.

Oh and his sudden falling off wasn't about his skills more so than his attitude and rubbing too many people the wrong way.

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117. "Wow...Where Do I Begin?"
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>for better or worse.
>
>Not only did he change the culture of Basketball for a good 8
>years from say 96-04 but he changed the way the game was
>played.
He didn't

>FOR BETTER OR WORSE.
>
>Everyone wanting scoring do it all smallish guards.
This I can agree with. He was the first small SG since Dumars to be the backbone of the franchise

>The sudden jump to have zone in the NBA after 2012 to increase
>passing and perimeter shooting.
He wasn't responsible for the zone. Shaq was

>The dress code
Nope

>association with (rap music)
Nope...cats was listening and associating with hiphop before AI. Shaq had an album out before AI got drafted

>On that alone Iverson is Jordanesque and he is as arrogant,
>ignorant and Bama as Jordan he didn't put a nice media image
>on, and ultimately win championships.

>>Dude is a top 50 player all time.
He's not

>Top 10 pg all time( I say top 5)
TOP 10 PG?

>Stop the hate, no agenda give the man his props.
I actually LIKE AI, but the slobbery has to stop

>Oh and his sudden falling off wasn't about his skills more so
>than his attitude and rubbing too many people the wrong way.
I agree, he could still play if he was willing to accept a somewhat reduced role. His pride got in the way and he bounced

  

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118. "g'head & get us that 50 players better than AI list when u get a chance"
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I'd be interested in reading it & likely laughing.

  

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119. "you are a fucking idiot."
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120. "AI is Top 50. Everything else I agree on."
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121. "i respect the college based hatred"
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i can't think of another reason you'd say AI isn't top 50.

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122. "LOL...Glad You Caught That"
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Eff Georgetown (except Patrick)
Bottom line: I looked at the list from 1997 and even if you remove 5-6 names off that list I could put 5 names ahead of AI on there
Dominique Wilkins
Bernard King
Jason Kidd
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
and I didn't even get to Lebron

So before cats are ready to lead the crusade for AI as top 50, who on the top 50 should he replace? Let's start with that

  

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123. "hahaha... dat GOOD collegiate hate!"
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124. "nope, you said it, name 50"
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by the way, there's no real way to argue Dominique or Bernard King for being better than Iverson based on their careers without 'shoulda/woulda/coulda' injury plea-cops which are null & void considering how long AI lasted taking into the trees while being a hell of a lot smaller.

  

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125. "OK, I'll Do So When I Get Home"
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>by the way, there's no real way to argue Dominique or Bernard
>King for being better than Iverson based on their careers
>without 'shoulda/woulda/coulda' injury plea-cops which are
>null & void considering how long AI lasted taking into the
>trees while being a hell of a lot smaller.
You can ARGUE AI vs. Bernard (and that's only due to his career cut short), but there's no way I would put AI over Dominique Wilkins...come on

  

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127. "I know people look at Nique a certain way because we grew up"
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watching him & MJ facing off in dunk contests but the reality is Iverson is better than Nique in pretty much every area aside from field-goal percentage/rebounding (both should be adjusted for position & it'd be closer) and dunking.

There is literally no individual accolade or team accomplishment 'Nique has that AI doesn't have more of besides Slam Dunk titles.

All-Star Appearances (11 to 9), First-Team All-NBAs (3 to 1), Scoring Titles (4 to 1), PPG, playoff series wins, ROY, MVP.

AI/Nique is really not close by any objective measure, meanwhile Bernard King vs AI isn't even a conversation except in Knick Fans' minds.

  

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141. "Here's The Thing"
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>I know people look at Nique a certain way because we grew up
>watching him & MJ facing off in dunk contests but the reality
>is Iverson is better than Nique in pretty much every area
>aside from field-goal percentage/rebounding (both should be
>adjusted for position & it'd be closer) and dunking.
See, here's the thing
You say adjust for position, but below you say stay objective.
If that's the case, you should also adjust for era.

>There is literally no individual accolade or team
>accomplishment 'Nique has that AI doesn't have more of besides
>Slam Dunk titles.
>
>All-Star Appearances (11 to 9), First-Team All-NBAs (3 to 1),
>Scoring Titles (4 to 1), PPG, playoff series wins, ROY, MVP.
The scoring titles AI wouldn't win if he played in Jordan's era, neither would he have won an MVP
And if the MVP is the case, should I list Nash and KG as better as well?
Back to Wilkins, if you want to count playoff series wins, fine. But I dare you to say that AI would get far at all playing in Nique's era. The fact that he got anywhere with that ATL team is incredible.
The scoring titles, he finished 2nd to Jordan 3 times, and won when Jordan missed the season. AI wouldn't win scoring titles in the 80's either, in Jordan's era.
The ROY you win, as well as the all NBA first teams (although Nique had to contend with Larry Bird)...but Nique was far more effective as a shooter, and did his scoring in a much tougher era.

It's way closer than I thought, and I'll give you the Nique memories, but to say adjust for position and not adjust for the era which includes Magic/Michael/Larry is crazy

>AI/Nique is really not close by any objective measure,
>meanwhile Bernard King vs AI isn't even a conversation except
>in Knick Fans' minds.
Nique was a better player...closer than I thought but he was. No way AI does what Nique did in the 80's, but I could easily say Nique would be just as dominant in the late 90's/early 2000's.
As for Bernard King, eehhh

  

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126. "Offtopic but Basa's Jay-Z agenda gotta be the biggest L in OKP history"
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Jay-Z better than Nas, this was decided a decade ago.

  

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128. "lol i remember his jayz, nas and will sig from when isiah was"
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with the knicks and bags was making 50 posts a day.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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129. "It certainly was"
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>Jay-Z better than Nas, this was decided a decade ago.

Nas won

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130. "Not talking about the battle, I'm talking about the war"
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>>Jay-Z better than Nas, this was decided a decade ago.
>
>Nas won

  

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131. "there is no war that shit was made up by Jay stans"
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or fans of the loser of said skirmish
its a plea cop

there is no war its only battles

Common bodied Cube
Kool Moe dee bodied busy bee
Canibus bodied LL
Cube Bodied NWA and Dr Dre

Nas Bodied Jay
its ok

if that war logic existed then LL is the greatest of all time

  

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138. "he made the nga cry on the radio.. there's no coming back from that"
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There's just not.. Ether was so devastating he made Jay literally cry & the world has been apart of the hop hop lexicon since the songs release..


Why people continue to try & argue this is pathetic... lol
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139. "Legacy/Success/Money/Respect/Beyonce >>>> some rap battle"
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>There's just not.. Ether was so devastating he made Jay
>literally cry & the world has been apart of the hop hop
>lexicon since the songs release..
>
>
>Why people continue to try & argue this is pathetic... lol
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>=======================================
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>
>Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
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I love how ya'll exaggerate and make Ether sound all theatrical.

The only thing Nas has above Jay is winning that diss battle, and EVEN THAT is debatable.

  

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142. "Huh? Nas won, thats universally excepted."
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132. "So, he refused. Shame."
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133. "they didn't know the best way to recruit him"
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134. "I think we all know WHY though:"
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135. "Funny thing is, the Mavs use guys from the D-League."
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They just signed Mike James to a contract for the rest of the season after a stint on the Legends.

If Iverson can't play as good or better than Mike James then...

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137. "Playing for a lotto team isn't going to help his legacy "
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140. "if he wants to chill, let em. Nobody listened but he said his entire"
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career that when he couldn't be the guy he was he'd rather be done.

He was starting to be a facilitator/ball-handler role guy for the Sixers when he came back & then for reasons prolly both personal or professional he stopped.

He went to steal some money in Turkey but dipped from that at the first time that cyst on his knee came.

Probably has barely played in nearly two years since.

He might just figure he's done & rather than be in a d-league dog-and-pony show and despite what assholes think *not needing the money* he's just gonna continue to live his life away from the media that he's hated & has hated him since he was a teenager, just relax & go to his Hall of Fame induction in 2015.

Selfishly, I'd love to see AI on the court. I know there's still a contribution he can make somewhere but the man built his entire life on not giving a fuck what others thought he should be doing so I'm not gonna be mad at him for continuing to not do so now.

Him not hanging around somewhere like Carter, Stack or Sheed says nothing about what this man did in basketball during the time he actually was playing at a high level for his first 13 years in the league.

All this other talk about whether or not he's gonna play is coming from people that don't even know dude.

Let that man live.

Peace to AI. Hopefully he's healthy & happy, I'll catch him next in Springfield. That speech is gonna be a motherfucka.

  

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