their D-league, anyway.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8889753/allen-iverson-eyed-dallas-mavericks-d-league-affiliate-sources-say

again...biggest L in OKS history. by a wide margin. unparalleled. better than Kobe. best lil' man over Zeke?

i mean, we actually had these discussions as recently as 2009...and bammas were SERIOUS!!! KOBE HAD JUST WON ANOTHER TITLE!!!! WTF?!?!?!?

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it's not now. he pissed away any small change of catching those two guys because of lack of longevity.

at their peaks, though? ai better than kobe. kobe's peak, relative to other historical greats, really isn't that impressive. what's mind boggling is how long he has sustained that peak, better than any non center in league history (which i think was truth's point in that 34 yo post a couple weeks back).

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>it's not now. he pissed away any small change of catching
>those two guys because of lack of longevity.
>
>at their peaks, though? ai better than kobe. kobe's peak,
>relative to other historical greats, really isn't that
>impressive. what's mind boggling is how long he has sustained
>that peak, better than any non center in league history (which
>i think was truth's point in that 34 yo post a couple weeks
>back).

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>their D-league, anyway.
>
>http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8889753/allen-iverson-eyed-dallas-mavericks-d-league-affiliate-sources-say
>
>again...biggest L in OKS history. by a wide margin.
>unparalleled. better than Kobe. best lil' man over Zeke?
>
>i mean, we actually had these discussions as recently as
>2009...and bammas were SERIOUS!!! KOBE HAD JUST WON ANOTHER
>TITLE!!!! WTF?!?!?!?

i don't remember that. i never really was in the AI camp.
what i do remember is calling Kobe the 6ft6 Iverson on better teams.
and the way Kobe been playing the majority of this season it's still a pretty good comparison imo lol.

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iverson put up 26 points on 46% shooting, with 3 rebs, 7 assists and 2 steals at age 32.
kobe's averaging 26 on 47% shooting, with 5 rebs, 5 assists and 1 steal at age 34.

the fact that iverson is three years older than kobe is pretty often forgotten here. and at their best, iverson > kobe. too bad larry brown ruined AI's metrics by surrounding him with defenders and having him take all the shots. as soon as he got to denver--even late in his career--his efficiency soared.

i'm down to have a real conversation about how AI could best have been used. in that PNR offense with a stretch four and a bunch of shooters, philly could have been unstoppable. how do you even attempt to guard that shit? he's too quick and too good of a passer to trap, and no big man could ever keep up on the switch.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

And PER and WS after 32 isn't even a conversation

Weird how you abandon advanced statistics whenever
you want to

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

how many hall of famers did GOAT play with in philly?
one?
was he supposed to win titles with those teams?
or is the HUGE GLARING L that he was only great until age 32?

GOAT > ZEKE

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=iversal01&y1=2008&p2=thomais01&y2=1994

cry about it.

deke and kucoc weren't slouches, by the way.

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oh, he also played with a broken-down c-webb.

LOL @ bringing Kukoc into it, Sixers were the best team in the league in Toni Kukoc's only season with a full training camp even though LB hated him due to defense.

40-14 at the time of that trade.

And that's the BEST team they ever had by a wide margin.

A team with Theo Ratliff, Ty Hill, George Lynch & Eric Snow as starters with Blue & Kukoc off the bench.

That team had the best record in basketabll.

But yeah, AI wouldn't have gotten any chips while playing the first eight years of his career with Prime Shaq.

*rolls eyes so hard it looks like I'm having a seizure*

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

You look at the numbers and it's Iverson all day. Obviously Zeke was on better teams. He had some incredible moments. I hate these kind of comparisons because you're always knocking down a great player. Zeke was a true point guard, Iverson was not. But outside of assists, Iverson has the statistical edge in almost every category. He was more explosive and more dominant. Zeke shot a bit better but on way fewer shots, overall efficiency numbers favor AI. Thomas was a better playoff performer but he had a lot more legit opportunities, too, and Iverson's numbers pretty well held, especially looking at Philly only.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

thank you for that bit of news.

AI can't fukk wit zeke...at all.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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>Thomas was a better
>playoff performer but he had a lot more legit opportunities,
>too, and Iverson's numbers pretty well held, especially
>looking at Philly only.

which is kind of the point

Flip their positions, what happens? Not that much different IMO, the Sixers would likely have been a worse team with Thomas, Iverson would have had to adjust his game a bit playing in Detroit but not all that much. Actually Dumars would have been a damn near perfect backcourt mate for him.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Wow ....

https://twitter.com/DJDanSpeak

https://soundcloud.com/dan-speak/the-voyage-mix?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

and Kobe/s WS/48 and Iverson's WS/48 aren't that different in their age 32 year, fwiw.
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

career WS/48:
Loy Vaught - .101
Allen Iverson - .126
Hersey Hawkins - .136
Anthony Mason - .138
Tracy McGrady - .152
Kobe Bryant - .184

but i wouldn't compare a player who played starters minutes to bench players (Loy Vaught) across positions much (Anthony Mason), or across different career trajectories (McGrady had some great years and then pretty much disappeared).

ws/48 only really works as a comparison in a like against like situation. it's a bit of a mish-mash of a statistic and it's too easy to make biased comparisons of rate based statistics. it does pretty convincinly say kobe was better than AI, but it is biased towards players who played on winning teams.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

he said coaches were too lazy to truly figure out how to use Iverson, although I wonder how open Iverson was to new ideas after a certain point. Either way, its amazing how dismissive folks are of his career stats/accomplishments.

brown said the idea was for iverson to draw double-teams, then have rebounders crash the offensive glass (they did lead the league a couple times in that category as a result). so mostly the scheme was to get iverson on the left side of the court in an iso, and get out of the way. when you start deke/ratliff, snow, lynch and tyrone hill, you're not really looking to score points in a delicate way.

wonder what would have happened if the sixers had taken pierce or dirk instead of hughes.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719297/how-kobe-bryant-missed-shots-translate-new-nba-statistic-kobe-assist

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>wonder what would have happened if the sixers had taken pierce
>or dirk instead of hughes.

Iverson destroys both of their development by hogging
the fucking ball and not practicing

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All yall yelling about Iverson's inefficiencies skip the part where Hughes had the keys in GS to shoot and shooting below 40%.

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>
John Thompson, a coach previously known for the quality of his big men, turned his team over to Iverson and let him shoot the rock without ceasing. I remember going into the tourney that if they allowed Othella and AI to run a two man game that no one would beat them. But AI shot and shot and shot and shot and UMass took them out. Such a fucking waste.

that it's weird that Thompson would say that since he kind of set that whole process in motion

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>iverson put up 26 points on 46% shooting, with 3 rebs, 7
>assists and 2 steals at age 32.
>kobe's averaging 26 on 47% shooting, with 5 rebs, 5 assists
>and 1 steal at age 34.

because all you ever use are advanced stats, except when it comes to your boy AI. Then you fall back on traditional stats, because you know how terrible the advanced ones make him look.

for those seasons you're talking about above:
iverson - 20.9 per, .488 eFG%, .163 WS/48
kobe - 23.7 per, .517 eFG%, .189 WS/48

wonder why you didn't use those numbers?

oh, i haven't acknowledged that GOAT's efficiency was all fucked up?

and TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL that you used EFG%, instead of TS%. maybe because AI at 32 shot 57%? which is:

well over kobe's career average
better than all but two of kobe's season TS%

lulz at calling me a hypocrite and then avoiding the numbers yourself. for shame, soundsop.

fact: on the tail end of his career, when iverson played with other offensive threats, he was a more efficient scorer that kobe has been for most of his career (even while playing with arguably four of the top five best big men of the last 15 years).

http://i.imgur.com/FoV5u.gif
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>and TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL that you used EFG%, instead of TS%.
>maybe because AI at 32 shot 57%? which is:

kobe is shooting a higher EFG% this season


>fact: on the tail end of his career, when iverson played with
>other offensive threats, he was a more efficient scorer that
>kobe has been for most of his career (even while playing with
>arguably four of the top five best big men of the last 15
>years).

fact: AI had 1 season where he was efficient. 1. And it was only slightly better than kobe's career averages (TS% - .567 vs .555, eFG% - .488 vs .487). Basically every other season he was terrible.

AI's 2nd highest TS% would be the 2nd lowest of Kobe's career

AI's 2nd highest eFG% would be 9th highest of Kobe's career

Between them, here are the top 10 seasons for TS%:
1) .580 Kobe 07
2) .576 Kobe 08
3) .575 Kobe 13
4) .567 AI 08
5) .563 Kobe 05
6) .561 Kobe 09
7) .559 Kobe 06
--- .555 Kobe career avg
8) .552 Kobe 01
9) .551 Kobe 04
10) .550 Kobe 03
.
.
.
--- .518 AI career avg

And the top 10 seasons for eFG%
1) .517 Kobe 13
2) .503 Kobe 08
3) .502 Kobe 07
4) .502 Kobe 09
5) .491 Kobe 06
6) .488 Kobe 00
7) .488 AI 08
8) .488 Kobe 10
9) .487 Kobe 11
--- .487 Kobe career avg
10) .486 AI 98
.
.
.
--- .452 AI career avg

There was no sustained run of AI where he was as efficient as Kobe. 1 season where he was average for Kobe, and every other season where he was an embarrassment

and as i said, when GOAT finally got to play with legit offensive players on an uptempo team, even late in his career, his efficiency went up dramatically. the idea that he wouldn't have been even better during his prime is as crazy as the theory that he improved as a veteran through diligent practice.

dude had a 57% TS, was third in the league in scoring, seventh in assists, and seventh in steals at age 32! (i think those numbers are right -- if not, they're around there). it's a goddamn shame he had to spend his prime with tyrone hill.

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that for them.

Zeke being number 1 of course.

Like, just don't bring up Zeke and AI in the same
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you know too much about basketball for that binary baby-shit

there's that.

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there's no perimeter player outside of bron that could have turned those sixers teams into yearly contenders (and they still probably wouldn't have beaten the lakers/spurs). and the nugs won 50 games, despite GOAT being over thirty, nene being hurt nearly the whole time and anthony carter starting at PG.

i'm not saying GOAT couldn't have done things differently or better, i'm just curious when and where that would have catapulted him onto a more talented team.

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>NBA Rookie of the Year
>3x Steals Leader
>3x All-NBA First Team
>3x All-NBA Second Team
>1x All-NBA Third Team
>2x All-Star Game MVP



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That was good, though

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opprobriousness...while at the same time showing genuine concern.

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will be on OKS aruging about AI vs. Kobe.

It's no question who's better than who.
The fact is, that has no bearing on me wanting to see AI hoop.
Regardless of how you rank him, he deserves a better send off than what he's received thus far.

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AI going to the Hall of Fame, I'm good with his career.

And nah, him falling off 'quick' (if 14/15 years is quick for an undersized guard known for absorbing contact) ain't a bigger L than your cysing of Zeke as a Coach/GM.

Zeke's actual playing career had long since been over (in shorter time than AI's) by the time we got here so it was never about that.

But that GM/Coach/GoodDad shit all actually flopped hard right in front of us.

I mean, he even got fired from a barber-college in the South.

The fact that you stay talking shit about Iverson's playing career to this day because you felt threatened by some 'best little man' fake-ass title is a level of lameness I can't even begin to fathom.

But do you, dawg.

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>AI going to the Hall of Fame, I'm good with his career.
>
>And nah, him falling off 'quick' (if 14/15 years is quick for
>an undersized guard known for absorbing contact) ain't a
>bigger L than your cysing of Zeke as a Coach/GM.
>
>Zeke's actual playing career had long since been over (in
>shorter time than AI's) by the time we got here so it was
>never about that.
>
>But that GM/Coach/GoodDad shit all actually flopped hard right
>in front of us.
>
>I mean, he even got fired from a barber-college in the South.
>
>The fact that you stay talking shit about Iverson's playing
>career to this day because you felt threatened by some 'best
>little man' fake-ass title is a level of lameness I can't even
>begin to fathom.
>
>But do you, dawg.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

for decades.....all over a meaningless caveat/qualifier hoop-fan title.

How could I ever compete with that level of distempered dedication?

That's actually not even mad, it's more appropriately just sad.

So yeah we can uh, 'agree to disagree' while you craft another AI thread en route to your next weekly AI Award on your podcast.

his ball hoggedly losing ways were known well before i had any opinion of his, other than his cross is a blatant carry

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