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"Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Practionner"
Fri Jan-25-13 12:47 PM by bshelly

  

          

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-compete-efficiency-stats-sly-145018924--nba.html

Professional basketball players are often competitive to pathological levels, and not just toward opponents. Teammates can challenge each other, too, even as they strive toward the same goal of winning a game, making the playoffs, and taking on all comers to earn a title. Sometimes they just need to fight each other to see who can score the most points, or grab the most rebounds, or get the most invitations to fancy parties held by national magazines.

The basketball world now places less emphasis on pure counting stats, though, and that's changed the nature of this sort of competition. It's now not enough just to score more points than a teammate, because someone who gets 30 points on 25 shots hasn't really played as well as someone who gets 20 points on 12 shots. Efficiency matters.

Proving the point, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade recently revealed that they compete against each other to see who can shoot 50 percent from the field. From Ethan Skolnick for The Palm Beach Post (via EOB):
“It’s like a competition me and D-Wade are having right now about who can shoot 50 percent, in each and every game,” James said, when asked a couple of days later. “I had no idea, because I don’t know what’s going on throughout the game as far as stats. I came in after the game, I saw 9-for-19 and I missed that last long three, I felt I could have gotten into the lane and got a layup. I’ve got to make up for it.”

“Early in my career, I didn’t take every shot as seriously as I do now, to be more efficient,” James said. “It comes with age, it comes with experience. You know, when you’re an 18 year old rookie, or a 21-year-old, third year in the league, you can get away with a lot of mistakes, and not looking at numbers as much. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been more efficient, taking care of the ball. I value possessions more.”

He also values competition, and he’s been in one with Wade. Wade is also shooting the highest percentage of his career, at 50.6, a fact that Erik Spoelstra noted Thursday while asserting that if Wade was shooting as much as he once did, he could still average 28 points. “We’re both so conscious of wanting to shoot 50 percent, that sometimes you wish you had that Kobe (Bryant) thought, where you just don’t care,” Wade said. “We talk about it all the time. It sucks at times, but it’s who we are.”

I don't know if Kobe is going to take kindly to the suggestion that he doesn't care about his shooting percentages, but it's certainly true that James and Wade seem to have a better sense of what constitutes a good shot then their superstar compatriot in Los Angeles. As Skolnick notes, that's borne out by the stats — James is at 55 percent, Wade is at 51.2 percent, and both players have made more than half their field goal attempts in the majority of this season's games. It's a definite focus of their approach.

Wade claims that the importance of intelligent shooting was instilled in him early on as a pro by Heat assistant Bob McAdoo, but this year stands to become only the second time that he's shot 50 percent or better in a season. It's clear that, as he ages and quality-of-shot metrics become more sophisticated, he's learning more about what constitutes a good shot for him and the Heat. He's not quite like LeBron, who's on such an otherworldly basketball plane right now that he can get most any shot he wants.

This new understanding of a quality shot is, at the very least, a refinement of ideas we've intuited for a while. But the competition between Wade and James is as old-school as it gets. Think of this situation as yet another effective melding of the fresh and the familiar.

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can't be mad at this...they right
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somehow, i sense people will be mad anyway
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damn i love this nigga..no homo
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lol it gets better and better...
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yeah you WISH you had the Mamba gene motherfucker
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Wade doing anything he can to keep hanging around Kang
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don't lose focus. he's helping here.
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you're right n/m
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RE: Wade doing anything he can to keep hanging around Kang
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      oh please, don't start with this bullshit. let's both move on
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           RE: oh please, don't start with this bullshit. let's both move on
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                was talkin more the 'won a title before Bron' thing, we know why on that
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                     RE: was talkin more the 'won a title before Bron' thing, we know why on ...
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kobe staying at the arena after Ls tho
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guess he's putting in a lot of late nights this year, then
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no teammates that he needs to pass to
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Calling teammates at 3 AM to offer "help"
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      no answered calls at 3am = no passes
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here
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in the All-Star game, non?
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RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction...
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RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction...
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RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction...
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Bron's jab is subtle and refined, like his game
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this ain't no enriched uranium, Lebronon just got a full delivery system
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btw do we need a 2nd thread for how a guy who never went to college...
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Age limit is a player's union issue though
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Don't forget the JUCO route. You can get drafted any year.
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I think Kobe's smarter than Lebron, no question.
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i knew something was up
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letting somebody else fuck up their FG% on a buzzer beater huh
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bron has been refining his game every yr he's been in the league
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Yuck
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5>>>>>>>>>>>1, btw, I thought Lebronon wanted to trade Wade?
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Them dudes late...rondo been doing this.
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I'm so happy right now
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Lol, in such a hurry to post, you didn't even read who mentioned Kobe
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Completely agree. Efficiency is what basketball IQ is all about imo
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1. "can't be mad at this...they right"
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edit: by the way...not every superstar has to wait until they almost 30 to know what a good shot is.

durant knows at 24

kyrie knows at 20

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2. "somehow, i sense people will be mad anyway"
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3. "damn i love this nigga..no homo"
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you wish you had that Kobe (Bryant) thought, where you just don’t care,” Wade said.

lol

ether all up in kobe's face

  

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4. "lol it gets better and better..."
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hey kobe would avg 15 assts a game if dwight wasn't turning his back all the time when kobe jumps in the air for a pass.


''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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5. "yeah you WISH you had the Mamba gene motherfucker"
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6. "Wade doing anything he can to keep hanging around Kang"
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7. "don't lose focus. he's helping here."
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9. "you're right n/m"
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13. "RE: Wade doing anything he can to keep hanging around Kang"
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o-o

the wade who won a title before king?...wade who played great defense in the playoffs last year??

the one who is shooting 50 percent from the field right now?


wade who has always been more all around than kobe?

the best blocking sg off all timme

  

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19. "oh please, don't start with this bullshit. let's both move on"
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>the wade who won a title before king?

  

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21. "RE: oh please, don't start with this bullshit. let's both move on"
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no, son

wade second best sg off all time ...stats don't lie!

peace.

you just dont like dwyane wade

  

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28. "was talkin more the 'won a title before Bron' thing, we know why on that"
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29. "RE: was talkin more the 'won a title before Bron' thing, we know why on ..."
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gotta dribble drive to get fouls , son

lol

  

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8. "kobe staying at the arena after Ls tho"
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taking extra jumpers for the media to see him make close to 50% lol.

dat work ethic.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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10. "guess he's putting in a lot of late nights this year, then"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1261843/

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14. "no teammates that he needs to pass to"
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no need to throw anybody under the bus.
just him and the ball.
and the media.

> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1261843/

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16. "Calling teammates at 3 AM to offer "help""
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Good spin...could be seen as sabotage.

  

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20. "no answered calls at 3am = no passes"
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>Good spin...could be seen as sabotage.


seriously, calls at 3am? dude is a movie lol.


''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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11. ""
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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17. "here"
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23. "in the All-Star game, non?"
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12. "RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction..."
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LeBron didn't mention Kobe. It should read Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery, and his Nut Kicking Friend takes a shot at its Leading Practitioner

  

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15. "RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction..."
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jordan
wade
west
kobe
drexler

in that order....

  

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18. "RE: Bron, the Thinking Man, Ethers Ball Hoggery and Its Leading Praction..."
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Doesn't change the title being misleading. I thought we were getting a LeBron quote on Kobe. Not Wade. I don't care how you rank them.

  

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24. "Bron's jab is subtle and refined, like his game"
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22. "this ain't no enriched uranium, Lebronon just got a full delivery system"
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was Kobestani "intelligence" even aware? shouldn't their delegate in the UNBA be doing *something* about this? can't blame it all on the Italians and Spaniards, at some point Kobestanis are going to have to adapt to survive themselves.

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25. "btw do we need a 2nd thread for how a guy who never went to college..."
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turned out so smart?

jesus christ that NCAA age limit thing is such fucking bullshit and just further corrupt arrogance on "their" part. anyone who actually supports that shit is "living like mental slaves" (c) Kweli + Mos Def

YOU DON'T NEED COLLEGE TO BE AMAZING AT BASKETBALL, THERE IS LITERALLY ZERO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY

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32. "Age limit is a player's union issue though"
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NCAA has no say in that.

Personally I've always thought the only sport to get it right is baseball - you can get drafted out of high school, but if you don't sign you have to stay at least three years (or until your 21st birthday, whichever is first). I'd probably do two years in basketball... I'd also like to see the D-league become a real minor league but if you're just outside of making an NBA roster cut, the money is almost always better overseas.

  

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35. "Don't forget the JUCO route. You can get drafted any year."
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36. "I think Kobe's smarter than Lebron, no question."
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Usage of Advanced analytics does not equal smarter. It's a tool, nothing else.

Lebron is EASILY a better basketball player than Kobe. I don't think he's smarter than him by any other metric. lol

  

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26. "i knew something was up"
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early in the season, i saw bron intentionally turn down two halfcourt flings at the end of quarters. one he just didn't take and the other he passed it off.

  

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27. "letting somebody else fuck up their FG% on a buzzer beater huh"
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and this is the unselfish guy?

  

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30. "bron has been refining his game every yr he's been in the league"
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nothing really exciting there
the main thing i got from this article is the positive influence lebron has had on wade's career
the way this dude is just a model athlete is kind of amazing
he sent Durant home from the finals in 5 games
what does Durant do? he reaches out to him immediately and goes to work out with him in order to learn from Lebron real quick before the Olympics.
neither he or the media talks about it much, but the level of Lebron's leadership is exceptional
ppl need to appreciate how special an athlete this dude really is

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31. "Yuck"
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33. "5>>>>>>>>>>>1, btw, I thought Lebronon wanted to trade Wade?"
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34. "Them dudes late...rondo been doing this."
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-The Knicksā€™ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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37. "I'm so happy right now"
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38. "Lol, in such a hurry to post, you didn't even read who mentioned Kobe"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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39. "Completely agree. Efficiency is what basketball IQ is all about imo"
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In every aspect of the game. How can we take advantage of our strengths to get the best shot possible and then take away the opponents strengths to force them into the least likely to convert attempt.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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