1. "absolutely not yet... it's possible that he gets there, starting with a ..." In response to Reply # 0
in the SB
I don't want to sound like a hater, he's been fantastic in this playoff run, but how deep is the elite pool going to get? It is fair to rank Brady/Peyton/Brees/Rodgers over him...
So for him to even crack the top 5 he has to be ahead of Eli, Ben, Matt Ryan (those 2 are close), Romo, Cam, Luck, RGIII, etc... Right now if I was starting a team I'd take Kaep or RW over him too...
I watched a lot of the Ravens this year and their offense looks downright awful at times, maybe it was just the playcalling but he misses a lot of throws... The Ravens have no choice but to give him a massive contract now and I don't see him living up to it, but time will tell... he's young enough to keep improving
3. "u know who else did that recently, right? " In response to Reply # 2
and the person I'm talking about went into Pitt and played almost as well in the afc title game as flacco played yesterday, but his d did not hold the opponent to 13 points
(that afc title game after he beat manning/brady back to back) M. Sanchez 20/33 233 2/0 102.2
4. "no but he is on the doorstep..." In response to Reply # 0
he misses alot of open receivers on intermediate routes one of the best in the league throws out routes reading coverage is still a work in progress but when you have Ray Rice alot of that gets washed he has the talent,size and arm strength even if they lose and he shows out against the 9ers D im still willing to give him elite status
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12. "Played in 3 AFC Championship games in 5 seasons..." In response to Reply # 7 Mon Jan-21-13 12:31 PM by Creole
RE: most road playoff wins .. ever
Outplayed the opposing qb in all three of them. Not his fault Houshmanzadeh ('09) and Evans ('12) drops those passes in the end zone. This year alone, he has outplayed Luck (the young prodigy), Manning, and Brady.
The most victories of any qb in his first 5 seasons. Matt Ryan is up there but he ain't no damned Joe Flacco. Give Flacco Julio Jones and Roddy White and watch Joe act a damned fool. Ravens entire WR corps < Julio & Roddy...
Had to endure Cam Cameron's playcalling until Harbaugh fired Cam. Looks even more elite now since Caldwell has been calling plays.
Had to endure his best LT being benched practically all season due to being in Harbaugh's doghouse. With McKinnie back starting at LT, the O-line is BEASTING and is giving my man Joe the time he needs to flash that arm and his skill.
17. "Here's the thing for me" In response to Reply # 16
I don't think he's elite skill-wise but I think he is the rare QB that was never afraid of the big moment. He's been winning playoff games since his rookie season. He was STELLAR in the second half last night, though.
And he's done by being more than a 'game manager' but less than the 'focal point' of the offense.
37. "That about sums it up for me" In response to Reply # 17
He's not consistent enough to be considered elite but if it's a pressure situation or the Ravens are down, I have no doubt that Flacco ain't scared of the pressure and can come through. Sort of like an anti-Matt Ryan. Doesn't mean he always does come through, but he's done it often enough.
22. "I think the 6 u mentioned below all go ahead of him" In response to Reply # 20
Peyton & Brady, A-Rodg & Brees, and Eli & Big Ben...
Matt Ryan and him I'll give a toss up too... so that's 7 at best for me... I could certainly make the argument for Romo and even Cutler being at least as good as Flacco
then you take the young crop of Cam, Luck, RGIII (if healthy), Russell Wilson, Kaepernick, etc there is no way I can definitively put Flacco in my top 6
24. "I guess I'd have to put him at 7" In response to Reply # 23 Mon Jan-21-13 02:51 PM by rjc27
because I'm not gonna come on here and argue against everything
but eye wise, if I'm starting a team today I easily take the 6 ahead of him plus Luck, possibly Kaep if he also balls in the SB, RW3 and RGIII but if he gets that SBMVP it'd be hard to argue...
I will say this, when your favorite team plays the Ravens you ain't afraid of Joe Flacco beating u, my mind still has not changed on that... then Talib was covering Boldin Flacco was doing NADA... if the Ravens wanna give this guy 100 mil GOOD
the chargers had flacco beat this year if Ray Rice did not bail him, the defense bailed him when he shouldve lost vs kc, he's a pretty good qb, he's not elite
>but eye wise, if I'm starting a team today I easily take the 6 >ahead of him plus Luck, possibly Kaep if he also balls in the >SB, RW3 and RGIII but if he gets that SBMVP it'd be hard to >argue...
Ain't none of them dudes won shit, you can't put people like Eli on a pedestal because he won then elevate a bunch of of people who haven't won shit over Flacco. It's not who has the best potential or who you would start a team with, but who's the better qb RIGHT TODAY.
21. "Payton and Brady have been considered that for a while, Rodgers and..." In response to Reply # 18
Brees have kinda joined them. Then you have Eli and Ben's hardware that's tough to ignore even though statistically they may not measure up to those other guys.
25. "I hate the Ravens, but if he wins the SB, yea, he'll be in the mix." In response to Reply # 0
Both Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Brees are there now, Roethlisberger knocking at the door. Flacco joins if he wins the SB, and Ryan would have been added if the Falcons won.
33. "Flacco would be the most mediocre "elite" QB yet" In response to Reply # 0
And we've had quite a few, recently - Manning and Big Ben immediately come to mind. But, hey, at least they've been to the Pro Bowl.
Shit, at least Matt Schaub at least led the league in yardage one year!
What the hell has Flacco done besides being a solid QB on a stacked Ravens team? Nothing against Flacco - he's clearly good enough to take the right team as far as they want to go. But "elite" means you're pretty much good enough to make any team a contender just by your mere presence. That aint Flacco.
Ravens were 43-37 in the 5 years before Flacco. This included 4 seasons with Kyle fucking Boller as their starting QB. When they got Steve McNair (read: a guy on his deathbed but who could actually complete more than 60% of his passes) they went 13-3. This is the most QB-friendly organization in the league - if you are merely mediocre, you are a superbowl contender (see Dilfer, McNair, and now Flacco).
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