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select_from_where
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"So can option-offense win championships ?"
Sun Jan-20-13 10:27 PM by select_from_where

  

          

Because the elite defenses have been beasting

All this short pass stuff on 1st and 10 has been negated.

Only thing working is the 20+ yard pass game and the run game.

Even the niners had to abandon the quick option game.

What say you?

  

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its same as it ever was....elite d + leaders smart enough to adjust
Jan 20th 2013
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baltimore was 17th in total defense tho, that isnt elite
Jan 21st 2013
3
      their defense right today can't be compared to this season's D
Jan 21st 2013
8
           thats true, and while they've played some good offenses
Jan 21st 2013
9
uh, yeah. The Niners option game fucked up ATL's run d
Jan 20th 2013
2
but that wasnt any good all year either...4th most opp ypc in the nfl
Jan 21st 2013
4
So your saying the 'threat' of the option makes it successful?
Jan 21st 2013
5
      watch all the touchdown runs from the SF/ATL game
Jan 21st 2013
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           yeah, weird thread
Jan 21st 2013
11
                I think cats forget the "option" part of the play, lol
Jan 21st 2013
12
                     exactly...the point is to make it 11v11 instead of 10v11
Jan 21st 2013
13
                     right. it's the Nature of the Threat that does the work. and that
Jan 21st 2013
14
                          man, every time I watch these teams this year I think of Vick's
Jan 22nd 2013
15
why do people insist on making these binary arguments?
Jan 21st 2013
6
Like the one about mid-range jumpers?
Jan 21st 2013
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      What is the "pro-mid-range jumper" argument?
Jan 22nd 2013
16
not sure you understand what the read-option is.
Jan 22nd 2013
17

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1. "its same as it ever was....elite d + leaders smart enough to adjust"
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is what wins.

  

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3. "baltimore was 17th in total defense tho, that isnt elite"
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8. "their defense right today can't be compared to this season's D"
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They've got legends & vets healthy for the first time all season right now.

  

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cgonz00cc
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9. "thats true, and while they've played some good offenses"
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they are 7th in the postseason, which puts them in the exact same spot as they were in the regular season, 1 spot below the halfway cutoff

415 ypg playoffs vs 350 in the reg season

  

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kayru99
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2. "uh, yeah. The Niners option game fucked up ATL's run d"
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Sun Jan-20-13 11:22 PM by kayru99

          

and all those passes to V davis in the middle of the field was a result of LBs looking in the backfield in zone coverage

  

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cgonz00cc
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4. "but that wasnt any good all year either...4th most opp ypc in the nfl"
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select_from_where
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5. "So your saying the 'threat' of the option makes it successful?"
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kayru99
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7. "watch all the touchdown runs from the SF/ATL game"
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the QB opposite side DE mushrushes upfield to spy/contain Kap, leaving a backside gap that the RBs then one-cut and shot through.

Forcing that DE to commit like that made that happen.

Plus that offense leaves about 20 yards of open space behind the LBs.

I'd say it's pretty effective, thus far.



  

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11. "yeah, weird thread"
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from the title i thought it would be about the 49ers success in the playoffs validating the read option.

somehow, it's trying to spin the opposite story?

  

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kayru99
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12. "I think cats forget the "option" part of the play, lol"
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the qb doesn't *have* to run

  

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13. "exactly...the point is to make it 11v11 instead of 10v11"
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14. "right. it's the Nature of the Threat that does the work. and that"
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can make mediocre ass backs look good. you got frank GORE running off tackle and you automatically freezing the DE? (and the cb is asante)?

c'mon.

*pyern*

you can run the read option 6 or 7 times and give for 3 ypc. and when the DE bites that *one* time, QB keeps and that's 20 yards if he got wheels.

THEN you come right back and the DE is crispy around the edges, so he stays outside and you give underneath of him again.

the QB in a zone read scheme is a blocker because he neuralizes at least one defensive player. (2 if you have to spy a db or olb in addition to the DE like vick in his prime).

so you end up unstacking the box.

and that also should buy you zone coverage from the secondary.

and if your OC is smart and you have the right routes called, you should be able to eat them up.


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15. "man, every time I watch these teams this year I think of Vick's"
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Tue Jan-22-13 11:49 AM by kayru99

          

Falcons.

They had it 1/4 right, but they never implemented the passing game off the run action, or varied the runs enough to keep it effective for a whole season.

And, I STILL don't think the real chessmatch of how the read option will be used has even started yet. Deep throws downfield haven't really been brought into play yet, prolly cuz no D coordinator has implemented safety help yet.

Next year should be hella interesting, either way



  

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6. "why do people insist on making these binary arguments?"
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it's fucking boring.

  

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10. "Like the one about mid-range jumpers?"
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16. "What is the "pro-mid-range jumper" argument?"
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That it's a more valuable skill set than a post game or perimeter game... or a higher percentage shot than either a three pointer or a close-to-the-basket 2?

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17. "not sure you understand what the read-option is."
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