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"Poll question: Te'o: Victim or Perpertrator"


  

          

I know we've got a bunch of Te'o posts, but don't we need a poll to see what people think? I am curious how many people think he perpetrated, versus how many people think he's the extremely gullible victim of a con job

Poll result (47 votes)
He got took (7 votes)Vote
He deed it (c) FSC (34 votes)Vote
Fucking Lance rolls a 7 AGAIN. (6 votes)Vote

  

  

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where's the both option.
Jan 17th 2013
1
Yeah, this is where I am on the whole thing.
Jan 17th 2013
2
which is still bad for him...it means he's dumb and dishonest
Jan 17th 2013
3
^^^
Jan 17th 2013
5
i think i'm in this camp for now.
Jan 17th 2013
13
Same and fuck this story for taking away from Lance's embarrassment
Jan 17th 2013
14
^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 17th 2013
19
yup....this is exactly where i'm at
Jan 17th 2013
40
My question is what does this do to his draft stock?
Jan 17th 2013
4
He's a middle backer with average speed
Jan 17th 2013
6
I got him dropping to 3rd or 4th but maybe I'm crazy
Jan 17th 2013
7
      Nah that's not crazy
Jan 17th 2013
12
I can see him not being drafted at all, actually.
Jan 17th 2013
31
      Like I said, who is gonna listen to this guy?
Jan 17th 2013
35
At bare minimum, he was PARTIALLY complicit.
Jan 17th 2013
8
If he was fooled, I don't think its fair to call him an accomplice
Jan 17th 2013
10
      If you continue to talk about your girlfriend after you know...
Jan 17th 2013
15
           True, I guess I just don't see anything wrong with it.
Jan 17th 2013
16
                Well, it all depends on his motive to lie. Which is still unclear.
Jan 17th 2013
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                agreed, if he lied spare himself the embarrassment of being duped..
Jan 17th 2013
22
                     ^^^ understatement of the year, lol
Jan 17th 2013
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                     I just can't even get into that possibility... I just can't..lol
Jan 17th 2013
57
                     right...if he lied and the story disappeared then fine
Jan 17th 2013
32
                Why wouldn't he just say "I'd rather not talk about it"?
Jan 17th 2013
26
                     Exactly. That's what calls his character into question.
Jan 17th 2013
29
                     just saw this...cosign.
Jan 17th 2013
33
                     there's a part of me that sees this version of events
Jan 17th 2013
45
                     Because he's a 21 year old kid and a moron?
Jan 17th 2013
44
                          the "totally fooled" line doesn't hold much water
Jan 17th 2013
47
                          plus he's a cocky athlete with a ego so I could see a possibility
Jan 17th 2013
55
                          No doubt, he's a moron. 21 don't mean shit to me though
Jan 17th 2013
71
                               Continous years of OKS exposure is known to do that lol
Jan 17th 2013
87
                                    I was smart as shit when I started posting back in 04....
Jan 17th 2013
92
                                         it gets worse n/m
Jan 17th 2013
98
Seems like a column A/column B situation
Jan 17th 2013
9
Likely got took and then wouldn't own up to it and embellished it
Jan 17th 2013
11
Blue, at the very least he lied
Jan 17th 2013
18
Lenny Kekua to release a statement today?! WTF?!?
Jan 17th 2013
20
Bronx Zoo Cobra to conduct follow-up interview
Jan 17th 2013
21
yo i'm following so many random ass polynesians on twitter
Jan 17th 2013
23
lol
Jan 17th 2013
25
release a statement, ON TWITTER
Jan 17th 2013
27
      Hahahaha. I'm just hoping it's this Ronaiah dude.
Jan 17th 2013
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      he could literally say anything. ANYTHING
Jan 17th 2013
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      Hell naw.
Jan 17th 2013
36
           We also know for sure that Te'o's isn't reliable either.
Jan 17th 2013
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      its about a person created on twitter. Releasing a statement
Jan 17th 2013
34
           lol @ normal for this
Jan 17th 2013
43
                exactly
Jan 17th 2013
50
See, shit like this makes me think Te'o is in on it. (video)
Jan 17th 2013
37
RE: See, shit like this makes me think Te'o is in on it. (video)
Jan 17th 2013
39
According to him and ND, he found out December 6th.
Jan 17th 2013
42
      RE: According to him and ND, he found out December 6th.
Jan 17th 2013
48
But she 'died' the same day as his Grandma.
Jan 17th 2013
52
Where did the conflicting dates come from exactly?
Jan 17th 2013
56
      In the Woj interview ESPN keeps running, he said she consoled
Jan 17th 2013
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           RE: In the Woj interview ESPN keeps running, he said she consoled
Jan 17th 2013
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but he said elsewhere that she wrote him letters before every game
Jan 17th 2013
82
      That made sense if he wasn't already on record lying.
Jan 18th 2013
104
Hilarisad
Jan 17th 2013
41
agreed
Jan 17th 2013
46
Tweet of the year by Deadspin
Jan 17th 2013
49
That's great!
Jan 17th 2013
54
That's fucking awesome.
Jan 17th 2013
60
bwahaha
Jan 18th 2013
107
I have a problem with the DUMB defense
Jan 17th 2013
51
working hard in a classroom and being a naive sucker for pussy
Jan 17th 2013
53
You can be book smart and naive/gullible/sheltered
Jan 17th 2013
58
      still not buying it
Jan 17th 2013
61
           He's super religious.
Jan 17th 2013
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           eh, his religion would play a major role in his naivety
Jan 17th 2013
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           I'm speaking more to him being projected as a lottery pick
Jan 17th 2013
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           I'd argue that kinda makes him more susceptible online
Jan 17th 2013
81
           but didn't the "relationship" start during his sophomore year?
Jan 17th 2013
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                RE: but didn't the "relationship" start during his sophomore year?
Jan 17th 2013
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           He lied to them too! The ol' "my girlfriend who lives in Canada" bit.
Jan 17th 2013
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           You don't buy that this started off as a prank that he initially...
Jan 17th 2013
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           you're right.
Jan 17th 2013
80
If you believe Te'o's bullshit statement.....
Jan 17th 2013
66
I hope this story never dies.. Lennay's statement:
Jan 17th 2013
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goddam they trolling so damn hard
Jan 17th 2013
69
LMMFAO
Jan 17th 2013
70
Lmao
Jan 17th 2013
72
@Teo: co-sign
Jan 17th 2013
74
lolz
Jan 17th 2013
77
Ok, so here's how THAT happened
Jan 17th 2013
78
RE: Ok, so here's how THAT happened
Jan 17th 2013
88
Those were retweets of someone else's tweets
Jan 17th 2013
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      oops, wasn't paying attention.
Jan 17th 2013
94
wow! so they cracked it?
Jan 17th 2013
95
      this was in the original deadspin release
Jan 17th 2013
99
LMAO!!!!! Hahahahahhahahhahaa
Jan 17th 2013
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Wait, how was he "conned" or "duped" ?
Jan 17th 2013
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That's where I'm at, what's the motive for the con
Jan 17th 2013
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the fact someone who knew him was behind this takes out the $ con
Jan 17th 2013
84
I don't believe he was "conned," but can buy "duped"
Jan 17th 2013
83
were they buddies before the catfish, or did "she" introduce them?
Jan 17th 2013
86
His 'buddy' has been catfishing since 2008.
Jan 17th 2013
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Ah. I thought they knew each other prior.
Jan 17th 2013
100
      I think they did.
Jan 17th 2013
101
           it was unclear. "she" might have said 'hey, you should meet my friend'
Jan 17th 2013
103
what the fuck do you people not get
Jan 18th 2013
105
      *L placeholder*
Jan 18th 2013
106
      It was just a question Reg. Take your meds.
Jan 18th 2013
109
Catfish needed State Farm
Jan 17th 2013
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with a real girlfriend!
Jan 17th 2013
102
At the very least, he kept the hoax going.
Jan 17th 2013
89
Gabe Pruitt, at least, can sympathize (swipe)
Jan 17th 2013
97
Haha I remember this well since I was at UCLA at the time
Jan 18th 2013
108

Cenario
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1. "where's the both option."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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2. "Yeah, this is where I am on the whole thing. "
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3. "which is still bad for him...it means he's dumb and dishonest"
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lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "^^^"
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13. "i think i'm in this camp for now."
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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14. "Same and fuck this story for taking away from Lance's embarrassment "
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19. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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The only thing that actually makes sense is the both option.

  

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40. "yup....this is exactly where i'm at "
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4. "My question is what does this do to his draft stock?"
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6. "He's a middle backer with average speed"
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The character and intelligence thing was supposed to supposed to be what boosted him above the pack, but you can't say he's exceptional at that anymore. You think an NFL defensive squad, most of whom are legitimately crazy to begin with, aren't gonna give this guy a bunch of shit or have a hard time listening to him after they saw him cry alligator tears about his fake dead girlfriend?

I think when it all shakes out, he ends up in the 2nd round. People who were putting him in the top 10 were putting him too high to begin with, the only middle backers who get drafted in the 1st these days are guys like Kuechly, Cushing, Mayo who are all better athletes and can stay on the field three downs (the one exception recently being Rolando McClain, another headcase who is a huge bust, but that is an Al Davis pick). 2nd round is right around where teams will take chances and also where the run stopping backers like Posluszny and Laurinitis go.

I would LOVE to see how the NFL personnel guys are gonna grill him at the Combine, unlike the media those guys truly give no fucks (ask Dez Bryant).

  

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7. "I got him dropping to 3rd or 4th but maybe I'm crazy"
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>The character and intelligence thing was supposed to supposed
>to be what boosted him above the pack, but you can't say he's
>exceptional at that anymore. You think an NFL defensive
>squad, most of whom are legitimately crazy to begin with,
>aren't gonna give this guy a bunch of shit or have a hard time
>listening to him after they saw him cry alligator tears about
>his fake dead girlfriend?
>
>I think when it all shakes out, he ends up in the 2nd round.
>People who were putting him in the top 10 were putting him too
>high to begin with, the only middle backers who get drafted in
>the 1st these days are guys like Kuechly, Cushing, Mayo who
>are all better athletes and can stay on the field three downs
>(the one exception recently being Rolando McClain, another
>headcase who is a huge bust, but that is an Al Davis pick).
>2nd round is right around where teams will take chances and
>also where the run stopping backers like Posluszny and
>Laurinitis go.
>
>I would LOVE to see how the NFL personnel guys are gonna grill
>him at the Combine, unlike the media those guys truly give no
>fucks (ask Dez Bryant).

  

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12. "Nah that's not crazy"
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Really depends what comes out when teams are able to interview this guy. If they think the guy is legitimately unreliable, he could drop like a rock. Like one NFL exec said "We'll draft criminals, but lie to my face and you're off our board."

  

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31. "I can see him not being drafted at all, actually. "
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I just don't know how you live this down in an nfl locker room.
He'll always be that guy. Starting to feel bad for the guy.

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35. "Like I said, who is gonna listen to this guy?"
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Pretty much everyone who plays on an NFL defense is crazy already, for real. Could you imagine if Baltimore drafted him to replace Ray Lewis? Those dudes would eat him alive.

If he was on my team I'd consider moving him to a lower pressure position like weakside backer.

  

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8. "At bare minimum, he was PARTIALLY complicit."
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Worst case scenario, he was complicit from the jump due to publicity. Which is disgraceful and awful.

Or he was complicit in a fake relationship to cover up his homosexuality that then spun hopelessly out of control. Which is sad and quite a shame but is far more understandable.

Or he was complicit in continuing to perpetrate a hoax after he was initially duped by someone who catfished him, solely out of shame. Which is somewhere between the previous two.

But he lied to his father, telling him that he met this girl.
He talked about her publicly after receiving this alleged call in which he realized it was a hoax.
He told ESPN that she was the most beautiful girl he ever met.

There are obvious discrepancies which point to a cover-up that Te'o was complicit in his involvement with. His motive is unclear, so it's not obvious why he was complicit or how much of this is his concoction.

But he definitely lied and perpetrated that lie to the public, whether it's out of embarrassment or something more nefarious.

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10. "If he was fooled, I don't think its fair to call him an accomplice"
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He lied and embellished his relationship to avoid being ridiculed for falling for a person he had never met face to face.
He was probably worried that people would judge him for someone he never actually met, and by the looks of peoples reactions, he was right.

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15. "If you continue to talk about your girlfriend after you know..."
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... then that's perpetrating. He told the media at a pre-Heisman even on Dec. 8, two days after the alleged phone call in which he discovered it was a hoax, that cancer took the life of his grandmother and his girlfriend.

That's textbook perpetrating after the fact. Simply can't be defended.

That's just one example, and a damning one. It doesn't even touch upon the number of holes in what he's told family and the press beforehand.

A lie is a lie. Even if he did it out of shame of an online relationship or shame of something else, it's still lying to the press.

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16. "True, I guess I just don't see anything wrong with it."
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17. "Well, it all depends on his motive to lie. Which is still unclear."
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All that is currently clear is that he has definitely lied. Which casts his entire explanation of the scenario into doubt. So more facts need to come out.

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22. "agreed, if he lied spare himself the embarrassment of being duped.."
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OK, I get it... Otherwise.. whoa...
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24. "^^^ understatement of the year, lol"
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>Otherwise.. whoa...

  

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57. "I just can't even get into that possibility... I just can't..lol"
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32. "right...if he lied and the story disappeared then fine"
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but he milked it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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26. "Why wouldn't he just say "I'd rather not talk about it"?"
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People would assume he's still hurting and fall back and he could always later say "hey, I didnt lie".

But ima fall back until the dust settles

  

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29. "Exactly. That's what calls his character into question."
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He saw the media loved this story and didn't want to deny them the opportunity to write about it. Saying "I don't want to talk about that at this time" is the easiest thing in the world. But he volunteered a reference to her... after he knew it was a hoax.

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33. "just saw this...cosign."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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45. "there's a part of me that sees this version of events"
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as even more cowardly than making the entire thing up.

maybe not more evil, though.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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44. "Because he's a 21 year old kid and a moron?"
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I really don't see anything wrong with that either...

...obviously, assuming that he was totally fooled.

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47. "the "totally fooled" line doesn't hold much water"
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at best he was partially fooled.

and made statements that would only be consistent with being fooled, after the jig was up.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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55. "plus he's a cocky athlete with a ego so I could see a possibility"
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where he could be perpetuating the lie w/o being a total scumbag. Just a dumb jock who didn't want to admit he got played like shit..
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71. "No doubt, he's a moron. 21 don't mean shit to me though"
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At 21 I would've known better. I'm probably dumber now than I was then

  

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87. "Continous years of OKS exposure is known to do that lol"
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>At 21 I would've known better. I'm probably dumber now than I
>was then

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92. "I was smart as shit when I started posting back in 04...."
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Now I'm making terrible observations, leaps of logic....smh. Very sad

  

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98. "it gets worse n/m"
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9. "Seems like a column A/column B situation"
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I haven't cared enough to sort out the timeline but I am guessing he was duped up to a point and then went in extra hard to cover up the hoax. I have seen this happen IRL, not the exact same situation but a couple very similar ones.

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11. "Likely got took and then wouldn't own up to it and embellished it"
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18. "Blue, at the very least he lied"
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there's just too much information

too many moving parts

for him not have been involved somehow

I hope the initial reporters at deadspin try to uncover some old interviews, etc...

that will at least implicate that he lied

the story does not end here

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20. "Lenny Kekua to release a statement today?! WTF?!?"
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https://twitter.com/LennayKay?tw_i=265993595268509696&tw_p=tweetembed

Maybe this is just another hoax. But Jesus Christ, how can this story get any weirder if it's true?

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21. "Bronx Zoo Cobra to conduct follow-up interview"
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23. "yo i'm following so many random ass polynesians on twitter"
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i don't even know.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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25. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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27. "release a statement, ON TWITTER"
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28. "Hahahaha. I'm just hoping it's this Ronaiah dude."
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Once he talks publicly about it, I feel like the "truth" will finally come out.

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30. "he could literally say anything. ANYTHING"
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36. "Hell naw. "
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The one sure thing we know in all this is that Ronaiah's truth ain't reliable.

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38. "We also know for sure that Te'o's isn't reliable either."
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That's simply a fact. He is on record lying.

If it IS a hoax, then this Ronaiah guy, who is clearly in cahoots with it somehow, could actually shed some light on the behind-the-scenes.

(Obviously this account is wildly unlikely to be this guy and is likely just some dick trying to be funny. But still.)

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34. "its about a person created on twitter. Releasing a statement"
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on twitter is completely normal for this.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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43. "lol @ normal for this"
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is there really a fuckin "normal for this?!"

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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50. "exactly"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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37. "See, shit like this makes me think Te'o is in on it. (video)"
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Granted, the conspiracy levels are starting to reach Truther status, but between the conflicting dates on the timeline for EVERYTHING (the car crash, the death, etc.) and this video, it's tough to see how he wasn't complicit from an earlier point.

He talks about his last letter from her coming before the Stanford game... which was a month after her "death."

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39. "RE: See, shit like this makes me think Te'o is in on it. (video)"
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there's part of me that thinks he just wasn't smart enough to keep his timelines straight after he found out and started filling in details. and no one interviewing or writing about him wanted to be the asshole who said "ummmm... wait a second, what did you say???"

  

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42. "According to him and ND, he found out December 6th."
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After this interview.

And he mentioned her in another interview with the Heisman media December 8th.

So it's not just that he's dumb. It can't be.

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48. "RE: According to him and ND, he found out December 6th."
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>After this interview.
>
>And he mentioned her in another interview with the Heisman
>media December 8th.
>
>So it's not just that he's dumb. It can't be.

Oh yeah, I'm going on the assumption that he found out when she "died" or soon after. In that case he probably did receive that call/text and is using that as his "That's when I found out" excuse. Even though that admits that he lied, it would be a bit more understandable given how long it had gone on and the nature of the call.

  

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52. "But she 'died' the same day as his Grandma."
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I doubt he's gonna forget that date. Someone he actually loves *did* die. And he'd have to be a really shitty liar to forget they both happened at once.

So it's likely that he forgot what order he played who. Or he's lying. I dunno.

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56. "Where did the conflicting dates come from exactly?"
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There's five different dates of death, and the order of death between the gf and grandmother was also inconsistent, but it seemed more like one media member getting it wrong and then others following suit rather than the Te'o family screwing it up.

  

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59. "In the Woj interview ESPN keeps running, he said she consoled"
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him about his grandmother

which made it sound like they were communicating after his grandmother died

hard to do if they died on the same day

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62. "RE: In the Woj interview ESPN keeps running, he said she consoled"
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>him about his grandmother
>
>which made it sound like they were communicating after his
>grandmother died
>
>hard to do if they died on the same day
>
>

right, 6 hours is pretty brief, albeit not impossible. and it would certainly support the theory of his involvement as he would've realized he could get rid of the fake gf on the same day, milk the grief w/o people looking too much into the specifics, have a football game on the day of her funeral and say it was her wish that he play. but i'm more wondering where did the first report that the gf died before the grandmother come from? if the te'o family never said that (and i don't think they'd go through the trouble of correcting every little detail) then it's still possible he found out later.

  

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82. "but he said elsewhere that she wrote him letters before every game"
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within the timeline of events (rather than learning everything all at once, like we're doing) it makes perfect sense that his dying girlfriend would write him letters in advance for games she wouldn't live to see.

If you watch The Big C, when Kathy thought she was dying, she bought a whole storage locker full of future presents for her teenage son.

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104. "That made sense if he wasn't already on record lying."
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But since he's clearly lied about many things, it casts every slight discrepancy under a shadow of doubt.

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41. "Hilarisad"
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perfect description for this no matter what the truth is.

(unless the girl really did somehow exist and is now dead)

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46. "agreed"
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I can't watch these te'o interviews with him lying his ass off and not feeling at least mildly depressed

  

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49. "Tweet of the year by Deadspin"
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54. "That's great!"
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60. "That's fucking awesome."
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107. "bwahaha"
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51. "I have a problem with the DUMB defense"
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wasn't one of the knocks against ND being they had a high standard academically

that they had fallen from grace because the big time recruits couldn't meet the school's academic requirements

now we're suppose to believe he's been stricken with the stupids

c'mon

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53. "working hard in a classroom and being a naive sucker for pussy"
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is not a direct correlation...

  

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58. "You can be book smart and naive/gullible/sheltered "
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As RJCC said in another thread, "smart" people fall for the Wealthy Nigerian Businessman scam all the time. Or get catfished. It happens.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe at some point he knowingly started lying about this whole thing. The absolute latest was after her "death" when he started telling the press about how he'd met her and how she visited Hawaii (though I believe he was probably in on it earlier than that). But I can buy than when this whole thing first started, he was duped.

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61. "still not buying it"
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the star player on a historic college football program's return to greatness

is not thirsty

this isn't joe the mechanic being duped into thinking he's chatting online with Ms America

for 3 years?

the professional sports organizations all have rookie symposiums about possible pitfalls

like groupies, etc...

i'm sure somebody had that conversation with this kid long before this

shit, I got that talk in HS, and I never had aspirations of being a college athlete

let alone pro

nah, this all smells like bullshit

he can play dumb

but just like the initial bullshit story fell apart

this dumb defense will fall apart too

could you imagine being his father or friend, etc...

Hey Manti, you meet that chick yet

you know the one that you're in love with and we haven't met yet

even though you've known her for 3 years

c'mon

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63. "He's super religious."
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If he's serious about it, his pool of women is small as fuck.

As for the smart/dumb thing: Stephen Hawking stayed for years with a woman that chopped him up. Emotions are a great equalizer when it comes to assessing things intelligently.

Te'o wouldn't have to be dumb to fall for this. Just willing to run with his emotions.

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64. "eh, his religion would play a major role in his naivety"
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so if they mentioned "groupies" and he's not really into that and is just looking for a relationship i can see it. although to your point i'd believe it more if he was a college freshman rather than a senior. even if you're naive and not heavily involved in the party culture or whatever, your world view is still bound to expand in those 4 years.

  

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68. "I'm speaking more to him being projected as a lottery pick"
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I'm using groupie as a general term for a woman trying to get something from him

based on his status as a potential NFL player

we're suppose to believe that this relationship got serious before the start of this year

I would think someone with his potential for an NFL career would proceed with caution

or at least, be advised to proceed with caution by those around him

especially if this was just a remote relationship

but can you imagine if this happened in the NFL

I would think his motive for publicity is easier to believe than being duped

why would someone perpetrating a hoax kill off the girl?

when he's on the verge of being multi after the draft

it would be so easy to just keep up the hoax

and extort him once he's in the NFL

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81. "I'd argue that kinda makes him more susceptible online"
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I understand your point, but given how popular someone like him is it's pretty common to avoid public interactions if you're afraid people will take advantage of you. The people he was warned about may have showed up in his real life (and he may have only been warned about real life interactions), then he found something that seemed very genuine online, is somewhat embarrassed that it is an online relationship, and hides it from most people so there weren't many to point out warning signs. Given how religious his family is, they may have also been naive and trusting as well, so they might not recognize the warning signs.

I'm not saying this is the explanation that makes the most sense, that's probably the secretly gay and concocted the whole thing theory, but i think there's still a case to be made for the "being naive and then finding out later and using it to his advantage" theory.

  

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85. "but didn't the "relationship" start during his sophomore year?"
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96. "RE: but didn't the "relationship" start during his sophomore year?"
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right, but i'm saying if he was being conned i think he should have figured it out since then just because of having more life experience throughout college.

  

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65. "He lied to them too! The ol' "my girlfriend who lives in Canada" bit."
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"Dude, you fucked that girl you've been texting?"
"Yup."

Easiest lie in the world! Guys do this one every day, lol.

That's why his parents talked about how he met her and such... cuz they probably believed it!

Unless the parents are in on it too, which would only make this whole story more awesome.

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79. "You don't buy that this started off as a prank that he initially..."
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...believed was true? That's outside the realm of possibility? Really?

Again, I don't necessarily believe that he was duped for the entire three years, though it is possible. It's not like he was talking her up to the media before she "died"; for most of three years, she could have been that girl he was in love with that he met through Twitter. But even if he figured it out/was in on it earlier, you can't say that it's not possible that he was fooled for at least a little while. A month, hell, even a year is possible.

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80. "you're right."
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66. "If you believe Te'o's bullshit statement....."
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Or Notre Dame's then you're gullible beyond belief. This is some obvious shit right here. He took it too far for anyone to buy this bullshit. Deadspin blew this shit open and he needs to just man up. It's so sick and ridiculous people almost don't wanna believe he did this. It's denial more than anything.

  

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67. "I hope this story never dies.. Lennay's statement:"
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L K ‏@LennayKay
My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

  

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69. "goddam they trolling so damn hard"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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70. "LMMFAO"
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72. "Lmao "
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74. "@Teo: co-sign"
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>L K ‏@LennayKay
>My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about,
>but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is
>not real.

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77. "lolz"
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78. "Ok, so here's how THAT happened"
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-twitter-manti-teo

Turns out that once the username was vacated by the original user, someone else swooped it up after the Deadspin story broke.

Either way, well played whoever took it over... well played.

  

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88. "RE: Ok, so here's how THAT happened"
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i figured as much, but how do the previous tweets stay with the account if it was closed? i've seen abandoned accounts get swiped before, but the account just starts anew i thought.

  

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91. "Those were retweets of someone else's tweets"
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94. "oops, wasn't paying attention."
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95. "wow! so they cracked it?"
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http://everyfacetofthegame.blogspot.com/2013/01/catfished.html

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99. "this was in the original deadspin release"
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90. "LMAO!!!!! Hahahahahhahahhahaa "
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73. "Wait, how was he "conned" or "duped" ?"
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I thought it was revealed that the Tu ee oss a soap uh dude was behind the Twitter account, and that him and Teo were "friends". So, we're thinking his buddy catfish'd him?

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75. "That's where I'm at, what's the motive for the con"
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the motive for publicity makes more sense

if you're setting up a con

it would be so easy to string it out until after the draft

and then extort him

hey Manti, I'm having problems paying for my cancer treatments

can you spot me a mil or 2

why would they kill the girl before they could actually cash in?

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84. "the fact someone who knew him was behind this takes out the $ con"
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this dude wasnt out for a payday he was out to either humiliate him or he has some sort of weird obsession with him... from the deadspin story and his family history this kid clearly at one point in his life thought he was going to an nfl player someday... he knew him... so either jealousy led to this or something crazy... but this wasnt some random stranger con it was someone he knew

  

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83. "I don't believe he was "conned," but can buy "duped""
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Maybe not for all three years, but at least a little while.

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86. "were they buddies before the catfish, or did "she" introduce them?"
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*Jews you*

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93. "His 'buddy' has been catfishing since 2008."
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"He created Lennay in 2008, one source said, and Te'o wasn't the first person to have an online "relationship" with her. "

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100. "Ah. I thought they knew each other prior. "
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101. "I think they did."
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103. "it was unclear. "she" might have said 'hey, you should meet my friend'"
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105. "what the fuck do you people not get"
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about the idea that he might be conned by a person he has actually met in real life?

the idea that -- oh, he knew the guy IT WASN'T A CON is the dumbest. shit. ever. you dumb fucks are going to get raped in a parking lot trying to buy shit off craigslist

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109. "It was just a question Reg. Take your meds. "
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76. "Catfish needed State Farm"
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102. "with a real girlfriend!"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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89. "At the very least, he kept the hoax going."
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Two days after he learned it was fake, he did an interview referencing his girlfriend.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/two-days-after-manti-teo-knew-it-was-a-hoax-he-sp

And that's the most suspect thing about all of this. Te'o and ND knew and instead of getting out in front of the story, they decided to keep playing along. If you're going to play the "I got duped. I'm crushed. I'm so sad I can never trust again" card, you better be the one that let's the cat out of the bag and not wait for the ruse to get uncovered by someone else.

He also allowed the South Beach Tribune to write an almost entirely fictional account of their relationship (saying they met at the Stanford game, his brother quoted as saying she visited him in Hawaii, mentioning Te'o skyped with his coach but we're supposed to believe he never skyped with his girlfriend.) and the rest of the media ran with the details in that story.

Obviously, this type of shit happens and there's no reason it wouldn't happen to a college football player but even if Te'o isn't to blame for starting it, he is partially at fault for letting it balloon into what it has become.

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97. "Gabe Pruitt, at least, can sympathize (swipe)"
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http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/victorias_secret_basketball_prank/

Here's a prank that definitely rates as one of the more inventive (and cruel) student pranks of recent years. The set-up occurred a week before a NCAA game pitting UC Berkeley against the University of Southern California. USC's starting guard, Gabe Pruitt (pictured), met a UCLA coed named Victoria online. They traded messages via AOL Instant Messenger. She sent him her picture. He sent her his. They arranged to meet after the game on March 4.

The sinker occurred during the March 4th game. When Pruitt appeared on the court, UC fans started to chant "VIC-TOR-IA, VIC-TOR-IA." Their chants continued throughout the game, escalating to include the recitation of Pruitt's phone number. Transcripts of Pruitt's IM chats with "Victoria" were also circulated throughout the crowd (including classic lines such as "You look like you have a very fit body... Now I want to c u so bad"). Pruitt was visibly shocked, missed a bunch of free throws, and ended up 3-for-13 from the field.

It turned out that "Victoria" didn't exist. She was the fictional creation of a couple of UC fans. Pruitt had been punk'd. Understandably, some USC fans aren't too happy about the prank. (So are they plotting revenge?) (via Deadspin and Schneier on Security)

By coincidence, a similar prank was in the news last week (though it was far creepier and more disturbing in its implications). Five boys created an online profile of a fictitious 15-year-old girl they called "Jessica." To their surprise, a 48-year-old guy contacted "Jessica" and started to chat her up. The five boys played along, and eventually lured the guy into meeting Jessica in real life. But when the guy showed up for the meeting, it was the police, not Jessica, who were waiting for him.

Both these incidents go to show that you never really know who you're talking to on the internet. Or as Reality Rule 6.3 from Hippo Eats Dwarf states: "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." (It makes more sense if you see the cartoon it refers to.)

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108. "Haha I remember this well since I was at UCLA at the time"
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I actually felt bad for Gabe when it happened, but he took the L and moved on. Unlike this other Teo, who took an L and then played up and propagated this sob story for the attention.

  

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