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"Can someone please make the case for icing the kicker?"


  

          

There's not much statistical evidence to support it, but even just working on logic I don't think it makes sense. You may give them a practice shot if you don't time it right. If not, you're probably just giving them more time to prepare rather than siking them out (they are professionals after all, I could kinda see it at the high school or college level). And at this point they're probably expecting it, so the lack of icing might throw them off more.

  

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I'm curious as to the last time it actually worked
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Jason Garrett did it to his own kicker
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Alot of kickers are chokers, so keeping them on the stage longer
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I'd also argue (with no evidence of course)
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really? They are?
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I can see this in a low level game, but not the NFL
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It's dumb, it seems to only work out if its way before the snap
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nah.. even if a whistle is blown a kicker may still try to get kick in
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I'd just call it once the kicker lined up, not this last millisecond non...
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right, waiting to the last second is what gets me.
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      cosign...nm
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      the first time I saw it (can't remember who) dude made it and
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didn't the kicker for Dallas lose a game last year because he got iced?
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how can you prove it was because of that? did he admit it?
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i really wish Pete hadn't called that t.o.
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he kicked that so long after the whistle
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      yeah, you're probably right.
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      agreed, looked like he just tried to boot for distance rather
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when the end result is out of ur control
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is it?
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      right...do it for a chip shot..not a 50 yarder lol
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there's no point.
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^^^ yep ^^^
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1. "I'm curious as to the last time it actually worked "
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e.g. kicker makes 1st kick as timeout is called yet misses the 2nd.

I've only seen cases when the kicker just whiffs the kick on two tries

  

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18. "Jason Garrett did it to his own kicker"
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in an important game vs the Giants in the 2011-12 season
kick would have won the game
Bailey made the kick then missed the 2nd one

Leave it to Garrett to have it work in a situation like that

>e.g. kicker makes 1st kick as timeout is called yet misses
>the 2nd.
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>I've only seen cases when the kicker just whiffs the kick on
>two tries

Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

  

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2. "Alot of kickers are chokers, so keeping them on the stage longer"
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isn't a bad idea, to some. But I agree at this point that NOT calling the timeout will be more effective.

  

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5. "I'd also argue (with no evidence of course) "
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that most of the "chokers" have been kicked out of the league by now. Either way, the coaches that like icing seem to employ it indiscriminately. If that's the case it's really dumb. I'd definitely want the better kickers to either rush it or think I'm going to ice them.

  

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8. "really? They are? "
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3. "I can see this in a low level game, but not the NFL"
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like a high school kid, or even maybe a college kid in a huge game.

But yea this is one of those old school things that coaches just don't stop doing.

  

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4. "It's dumb, it seems to only work out if its way before the snap"
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So they don't get a free practice attempt. It's justice when the kicker misses the one that doesn't count and makes the game winner.

  

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6. "nah.. even if a whistle is blown a kicker may still try to get kick in"
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would be useful for 50+ yarders that they need to get a feel for

  

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7. "I'd just call it once the kicker lined up, not this last millisecond non..."
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Let the kicker get up there and call the timeout while dude is setting up...put them out on the stage and let them think about it, maybe get them out of their rhythm.

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12. "right, waiting to the last second is what gets me."
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even if he doesn't take the practice kick, it lets him practice his whole routine out there, get in position, and then take a 30 second break.

Now's he more comfortable as he repeats what he just did.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "cosign...nm"
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21. "the first time I saw it (can't remember who) dude made it and"
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was so deflated after realizing it didn't count that he promptly missed.

May have been Belasterisk that called it, can't remember.

But that initial one from a few years back (they used to just call it beforehand not as the ball was being snapped) had people thinking they found a loophole & it's now gone in the other direction to a ridiculous degree.

I think them kicking that first one after the whistle as an exercise like the Falcons did to Pete kinda serves coaches right for that nonsense.

Now Baltimore practicing kicks between the first & second OT on the field of play was kinda bullshit but they are coached by a Harbaugh who also spent a decade as a special-teams coach before coming there so he must have just said 'fuck it, let's see what I can get away with'.

  

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9. "didn't the kicker for Dallas lose a game last year because he got iced?"
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i can't argue that the tactic is usually effective, but i don't have a problem with coaches using it.

it seems about on par with a coach lining up on 4th & less than 5 yards and hoping the other team jumps offside. 98% of the time it doesn't work, but I know the Eagles lost that game against the Bills last year like this.

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10. "how can you prove it was because of that? did he admit it?"
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11. "i really wish Pete hadn't called that t.o."
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icing this kicker is so common now it would be more surprising to me as a kicker if they didn't.

obviously, Bryant missed that "practice" kick tho maybe he wasn't really trying, who knows.

but yeah, i don't like it. i think you kind of let the pressure OFF the kicker by doing it.

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13. "he kicked that so long after the whistle"
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he probably missed on purpose. it didn't look like an official kick to me.

  

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19. "yeah, you're probably right."
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it seemed like he just kinda kicked it w/out real purpose.

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22. "agreed, looked like he just tried to boot for distance rather"
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than really try to get that to hook between the uprights.

Stil, if Pete took the points like he should have late second-quarter (while not putting Lynch on the field in two short-yardage plays on 3rd & the ill-advised 4th) then ATL's down 4 & needs a TD.

Or if they hadn't botched the clock & let the half end the very next drive while again in the red zone.

  

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14. "when the end result is out of ur control "
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trying something is better than trying nothing
probably not much more deeper than that really

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15. "is it?"
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>trying something is better than trying nothing
>probably not much more deeper than that really

I can kinda see your point if it's a short kick that everyone makes, but I think the most likely scenario for a kicker getting in their own head is when it's a longer kick than usual and they don't have much time to think about it. Giving them more time (and possibly a practice shot) is asking for trouble imo.

  

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16. "right...do it for a chip shot..not a 50 yarder lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "there's no point."
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