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AnonymousCoward
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"Most successful underachievers"


  

          

There is sure to be some overlap with the "fucks given" post, but this does not exclude people who cared.

For example, David Robinson worked his ass off, is one of the best players of his generation and a champion, and he STILL didn't reach his full potential as a player. He was more more gifted than Olajuwan, yet we don't hold the two in the same regard because The Admiral didn't maximize his potential.


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and the answer is Shaq
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How does someone underachieve if they cared?
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unable to channel killer instinct or MAINTAIN motivation
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      That's called "caring"
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      I think Shaq "cared" but the game wasn't always a priority
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      this killer instinct shit is just dumb
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           on paper he was as good or better than Hakeem
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                So he wasn't better than Hakeem.
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                because he underacheived
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                OR Hakeem had better teammates that could hit clutch shots that...
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                     pretty much. Spurs figured it out, added shooting
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                     ctr+f Duncan
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                     click that link an look at the playoff numbers
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how do you work your ass off but not reach your potential?
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could be bad situation, lack of opportunity or character flaw
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Vince Carter
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Successful Underachiever
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LeBron James.
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No disrespect, but this post doesn't make a grain of sense
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do you think Shaq reached his full potential?
Jan 10th 2013
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      Didn't we JUST have this conversation?
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           but if he CARED he would have averaged 40 and 30 and
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           I mean, we had this exact discussion in the other post.
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As I've said before, contrary to OKS lore, the gap between Robinson...
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its not a huge gap but its a gap
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i tend to think Robinson was better for more of their careers
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      Hakeem's career gets romanticized based on 2 seasons, really 1.5
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Dream is, arguably, a top 10 player all time...
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The Robert Horry post?
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AnonymousCoward
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1. "and the answer is Shaq"
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2. "How does someone underachieve if they cared?"
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3. "unable to channel killer instinct or MAINTAIN motivation"
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Thu Jan-10-13 04:01 PM by AnonymousCoward

  

          

The latter was Shaq's problem

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4. "That's called "caring" "
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>The latter was Shaq's problem

Guys who don't "maintain killer instinct" aren't
able to do so because of distractions and/or because
they don't care about being great more than they
do X or Y

Guys who can't maintain motivation can't do so
because they don't care



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5. "I think Shaq "cared" but the game wasn't always a priority"
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actually, now that I think about it, he cared more about the way he was perceived than the actual game. He wanted to win because it reflected well on him, not because he NEEDED to win.

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9. "this killer instinct shit is just dumb"
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David Robinson was a great player who didn't win a title at his physical peak because he played in a stacked NBA full of phenomenal centers.

Including some, like Hakeem, who at their respective bests, he wasn't as good as.

If David Robinson's an underachiever there aren't too many people in this life who aren't underachievers.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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16. "on paper he was as good or better than Hakeem"
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=olajuha01&y1=1998&p2=robinda01&y2=2003

but he couldn't turn it on in the playoffs like Hakeem could = lack of killer instinct

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17. "So he wasn't better than Hakeem. "
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I'm confused

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20. "because he underacheived"
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Should have been better. All the tools to be better, and was as good if not better in the regular season.

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21. "OR Hakeem had better teammates that could hit clutch shots that..."
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D-Rob didn't have most of his prime.

Funny how Hakeem only "turned it own" for two seasons in his 30's

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22. "pretty much. Spurs figured it out, added shooting"
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and won some titles.

hell in the case of Mario Elie they added a guy who hit big shots FROM the championship Rockets.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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24. "ctr+f Duncan"
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23. "click that link an look at the playoff numbers"
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Robinson's stats declined in the'offs. Olajuan's improved...significantly.

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6. "how do you work your ass off but not reach your potential?"
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isn't potential defined by the combination of working really hard + your natural gifts?

unless you're arguing Robinson worked his ass off at the wrong things, like trying to add a 3 point shot or something?

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8. "could be bad situation, lack of opportunity or character flaw"
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like some dudes are aren't alpha dogs.

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7. "Vince Carter"
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only he dint work his ass off, yet still managed a potiental HOF career. thats quite impressive actually, if you think about it

  

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10. "Successful Underachiever"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_%28basketball%29

*Head Explodes*

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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11. "LeBron James."
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Sorry, just making you guys mad. I don't mean it.

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12. "No disrespect, but this post doesn't make a grain of sense"
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n/m

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13. "do you think Shaq reached his full potential?"
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If not, do you think he cared about winning/his legacy/the game?

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14. "Didn't we JUST have this conversation?"
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15. "but if he CARED he would have averaged 40 and 30 and"
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won ALL OF ZEE TITLES

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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18. "I mean, we had this exact discussion in the other post."
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As in, exact

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19. "As I've said before, contrary to OKS lore, the gap between Robinson..."
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and Olajuwon is not as huge as a lot of people like to make out to be

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25. "its not a huge gap but its a gap"
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nobody ever says Robinson was a bum. We all acknowledge Robinson is a hall of famer. Hakeem is/was just better.

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27. "i tend to think Robinson was better for more of their careers"
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but I was young and biased so who knows.

My version of history is that Dream peaked higher, but not for as long.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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28. "Hakeem's career gets romanticized based on 2 seasons, really 1.5"
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26. "Dream is, arguably, a top 10 player all time..."
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Admiral prolly top 25-30 all time.

thats a wide gap, fam.

Unless your measuring them on the GOAT Center ladder, then they might be closer

  

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29. "The Robert Horry post?"
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