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Binlahab
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"Musbergers creeplife commentary on McCarrons gal"


  

          

No link but dude is getting raked over the coals & rightfully so

It's bad enough they even had a camera on old gal that didn't have shit to do with the game but when Musberger busted a chewy in his shorts over her even I had to say "whoa!"

Listen I'm all for shots of chicks in the stands. This is America. But there's got to be a limit to the shit.

do or die

  

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his honey badger obsession last year was far creepier
Jan 09th 2013
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it was weird and extremely annoying but the reaction is overblown
Jan 09th 2013
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Really wasnt that bad...
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: Musbergers creeplife commentary on McCarrons gal
Jan 09th 2013
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hey! youre not supposed to talk about this stuff here!
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: hey! youre not supposed to talk about this stuff here!
Jan 09th 2013
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      It's no ISYSYCACYE, but it's still good.
Jan 09th 2013
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           RE: It's no ISYSYCACYE, but it's still good.
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: Musbergers creeplife commentary on McCarrons gal
Jan 10th 2013
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also i havent followed the reaction. but how do u know AJ's chick
Jan 09th 2013
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Colin Kleins wife got 100 times more screen time
Jan 09th 2013
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they didnt comment on her looks though
Jan 09th 2013
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These reactions are hilarious.
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: These reactions are hilarious.
Jan 09th 2013
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yet another person who doesn't understand what free speech is
Jan 09th 2013
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      RE: yet another person who doesn't understand what free speech is
Jan 09th 2013
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           you didn't read up on what the 1st Amendment means did you?
Jan 09th 2013
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                RE: you didn't read up on what the 1st Amendment means did you?
Jan 09th 2013
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                     good thing nobody called for him to be arrested by the gov
Jan 09th 2013
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                          RE: good thing nobody called for him to be arrested by the gov
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                               Excellent attempt. A+
Jan 09th 2013
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                                    RE: Excellent attempt. A+
Jan 09th 2013
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                                         To recap
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calm down...it was striclty a guess
Jan 09th 2013
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Brent's drinking the same amount before games, it's just
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: Brent's drinking the same amount before games, it's just
Jan 09th 2013
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      from what i remember
Jan 09th 2013
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Didn't his creeplife comments basically make Jenn Sterger?
Jan 09th 2013
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yes
Jan 09th 2013
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1968..Musburger on J. Carlos and T. Johns ......
Jan 09th 2013
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Damn
Jan 09th 2013
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^^^ said it so i didn't have to. nm
Jan 09th 2013
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HAHAHAHAHAAHA
Jan 09th 2013
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Wow...did not know that. All respect...vanished.
Jan 09th 2013
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middle aged white men really hate Carlos and Smith
Jan 09th 2013
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At the time, a lot of black folks felt the same way
Jan 09th 2013
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yeah, it was quite a while before anyone embraced them
Jan 09th 2013
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so?
Jan 10th 2013
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      Talk about irrelevant.
Jan 10th 2013
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           nah
Jan 10th 2013
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                Who gives a shit
Jan 10th 2013
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                lol
Jan 10th 2013
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                RE: nah
Jan 17th 2013
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gatdamn, that is some crotchety old cracker shit! and that was 45 yrs ag...
Jan 10th 2013
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i aint see nothing wrong w/ it.
Jan 09th 2013
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My roomate ran into Musberger before the 05 OSU Texas game
Jan 09th 2013
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Brent's wagers are often obvious.
Jan 09th 2013
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Completely overblown
Jan 09th 2013
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She was on the TODAY show telling people to give him a break
Jan 09th 2013
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well, that takes care of that
Jan 09th 2013
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yep. before the game she was a nobody
Jan 09th 2013
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I gotta say, though: not really that hot.
Jan 09th 2013
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Wait, we're mad because a guy commentated on a girl's looks
Jan 09th 2013
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it's fucking asinine
Jan 09th 2013
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^^^^^^^^^
Jan 09th 2013
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this is the dumbest controversy ever, dude said nothing inappropriate
Jan 09th 2013
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Walleye's right, the duration of it was weird
Jan 09th 2013
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      oh I ain't saying it didn't sound a bit weird but seriously, there was
Jan 09th 2013
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           Right. "Okay, you're a seventy year old man...you need to stop"
Jan 09th 2013
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           Exactly
Jan 09th 2013
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           I didn't even think it was weird. It was corny at worst.
Jan 10th 2013
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woman being objectified and an internet board of men sees nothing wrong
Jan 09th 2013
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RE: woman being objectified and an internet board of men sees nothing wr...
Jan 09th 2013
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irony
Jan 09th 2013
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lol @ 'objectified' talking about a beauty-pageant contestant
Jan 09th 2013
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Sometimes you have to take "yes" for an answer
Jan 09th 2013
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^^^ end of post
Jan 09th 2013
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Holy shit. n/m
Jan 09th 2013
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you're right
Jan 09th 2013
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i wouldn't follow anything the church has to say re: gender
Jan 09th 2013
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      She's the former Ms. Alabama, is the star QBs g/f and goes to Auburn
Jan 09th 2013
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      point missed. cool, tho.
Jan 09th 2013
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           Yeah, you're carrying a dead carcass around at this point.
Jan 09th 2013
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           you're trying to find excuses for the inappropriate behavior
Jan 09th 2013
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                You said its wrong to talk about how pretty a thong model is
Jan 09th 2013
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                     right. because i didn't say that
Jan 10th 2013
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                          What is the appropriate way to talk about a thong model in public
Jan 10th 2013
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           The director was the one who kept the camera on her.
Jan 10th 2013
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      I can't find part where I appealed to church authority on gender
Jan 09th 2013
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      it was a missed joke
Jan 10th 2013
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           What is she if she doesn't trump them?
Jan 10th 2013
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                stop talking to a jew about catechisms!
Jan 10th 2013
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      Furthermore
Jan 09th 2013
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           he's a Barca/Messi fan. reason is out the window w/ that one.
Jan 09th 2013
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veritas should have made this post
Jan 09th 2013
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?
Jan 09th 2013
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      i think he was referencing your sig.
Jan 09th 2013
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           yes
Jan 09th 2013
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Men like you are precisely why gender relations don't go anywhere
Jan 09th 2013
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i didn't say don't say she's pretty
Jan 09th 2013
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      Your views have nothing to do with "gender relations" though
Jan 09th 2013
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           she was treated as a prize won by a man being heroically athletic
Jan 09th 2013
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                What in blue fuck are you talking about?
Jan 09th 2013
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                if giselle got lusted after like that, i'd be disgusted too.
Jan 09th 2013
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                     Uh. Giselle is a thong and bra model, sparky.
Jan 09th 2013
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                          just stop replying to this clown
Jan 10th 2013
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                               Apparently Giselle has never been openly lusted over
Jan 10th 2013
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                LMAO this is absurd
Jan 09th 2013
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                     He actually thinks he's being progressive too
Jan 10th 2013
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                          funny, i'm not sure i trust okaysports' views on feminism
Jan 10th 2013
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                               Your views are the least feminist in this post
Jan 10th 2013
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                                    his views are why 'bitch' is an offensive term for women
Jan 10th 2013
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                                         you say that as though its bad
Jan 10th 2013
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                                              lol that line clearly went over your head
Jan 10th 2013
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the second part is where she was objectified IMO, no one focuses on
Jan 10th 2013
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i know he didn't put much thought into it
Jan 10th 2013
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Pretty much.
Jan 10th 2013
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He said she was "beautiful."
Jan 10th 2013
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this whole situation baffles me...
Jan 09th 2013
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if i ever come to alabama i'm enlisting you as my tour guide
Jan 09th 2013
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you don't need one. just go to Tuscaloosa in early fall.
Jan 09th 2013
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guess this theory doesnt apply to Mobile because I was there last winter
Jan 09th 2013
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Can't speak too much on Mobile but
Jan 09th 2013
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uh. that is the point. people go crazy over all women
Jan 09th 2013
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true story..
Jan 10th 2013
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yup. I'm sure I had at least one class w/ Erin Andrews, but on campus
Jan 10th 2013
129
      ouch man....that hurt just to read....
Jan 10th 2013
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           I snuck onto the field for a few plays here and there
Jan 10th 2013
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i heard the reaction 1st, by the time I heard the clip I said "that's it...
Jan 09th 2013
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Men complaining about this should be ashamed of themselves
Jan 09th 2013
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co-sign n/m
Jan 09th 2013
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this is why "cyse" was invented
Jan 09th 2013
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Lol. Shit is ridiculous fam
Jan 09th 2013
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Probably ND folks trying to bury the lede...
Jan 09th 2013
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Why? That was the most entertaining part of the game.
Jan 09th 2013
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      Exactly...
Jan 09th 2013
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I demand an apology for what Letterman did to Cam Newton.
Jan 09th 2013
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LOL, underrated response
Jan 10th 2013
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I finally understand what the feminazis mean when they say rape culture
Jan 09th 2013
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LOL
Jan 09th 2013
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How is anything about her relevant to the football game?
Jan 09th 2013
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      o so only things directly relevant to football should be discussed?
Jan 09th 2013
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           Uh, while watching a football game? Yes.
Jan 09th 2013
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                That complaint has nothing to do with the girl situation, though
Jan 09th 2013
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                     Honey badger is on the field, right?
Jan 09th 2013
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                          Criticize Ralph Lawler for ever uttering a word about Billy Crystal.
Jan 09th 2013
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                          What the hell are you talking about? Nm
Jan 09th 2013
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                               People in the stands are fair game.
Jan 10th 2013
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                          Hurricane Katrina didn't happen on the field.
Jan 10th 2013
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i think everyone agrees it was at least a little creepy
Jan 09th 2013
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Feminazis is PC now??
Jan 10th 2013
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The nygga who was in every twerk team post..
Jan 10th 2013
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      I'm sorry. WHAT?!?!?!?!
Jan 10th 2013
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      wheres can can, SeV? nm
Jan 10th 2013
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long close-ups+ plus dropping her name +his audible hard-on
Jan 09th 2013
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HOw'd he have all the info on her???
Jan 10th 2013
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      Man, I knew who she was before the game, too
Jan 10th 2013
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           I have a feeling she came up when they had a meeting with AJ
Jan 10th 2013
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                so the cameraman wasn't on some 'welp, look what i found!' shit?
Jan 10th 2013
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Personally I prefer masturbating to Tomas Berdych's girlfriend
Jan 10th 2013
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^^^^^^^^R & B Tennis Commentary
Jan 10th 2013
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I wonder what her grade point average is/was
Jan 10th 2013
117
he's just trying to start careers
Jan 10th 2013
109
Okay, so y'all niggas really did debate this shit. Awesome.
Jan 10th 2013
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I would hope so
Jan 10th 2013
139
am i the only one here who remembers kurt warner's wife
Jan 10th 2013
128
I'm still scarred by the closeups of Brenda Warner, but you're right
Jan 10th 2013
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She got better looking in Arizona
Jan 10th 2013
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i used to refer to her as marcy darcy
Jan 10th 2013
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Oh I remember, thought it was weird Kurt married a dominatrix
Jan 10th 2013
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they especially have to do this with football and baseball.
Jan 10th 2013
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I'm offended by those that were offended
Jan 10th 2013
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oh they were telling stories? i must have missed that
Jan 10th 2013
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it's like they think people are offended by the auburn/alabama part
Jan 10th 2013
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right?
Jan 10th 2013
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stop being reasonable, let cranky old black guys n emo honkeys cook
Jan 10th 2013
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2 for 1 haircut special
Jan 10th 2013
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I used to clown her till I found out she was a cancer survivor
Jan 10th 2013
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Boner pills during commercial breaks
Jan 10th 2013
141
Did I miss something? Is this the full extent of what he said?
Jan 10th 2013
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it is.
Jan 10th 2013
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exactly. apology and k.i.m....problem ain't with muss
Jan 10th 2013
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I think people saying he was "creepy" owe him an apology
Jan 10th 2013
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      right, i hate how the "creepy" thing gets thrown around
Jan 10th 2013
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           LoL i thought this shit was bout me for a second...
Jan 10th 2013
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                yeah i mean to be fair i am mostly going off quotes
Jan 16th 2013
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a text convo i had while watching BCS championship...
Jan 10th 2013
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if she calls herself a beauty queen, she giving you a pass to objectify ...
Jan 10th 2013
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Musberger says fuck off
Jan 16th 2013
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Catcalling? LOL this shit is hilarious
Jan 16th 2013
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At least his girlfriend is real.
Jan 16th 2013
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goddammit, I came back here to post that, word for word
Jan 16th 2013
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ya girl's getting Taylor Swift treatment, will cover SB for Inside Editi...
Jan 16th 2013
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the sanctimonious self-righteousness in this thread is disgusting
Jan 17th 2013
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nope, self righteous defense of thirsty grandpas is disgusting
Jan 17th 2013
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      He didn't do shit wrong. Hence, the defense.
Jan 17th 2013
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           if some random old man singled your daughter/sister out
Jan 17th 2013
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                I stopped reading at "random old man"
Jan 17th 2013
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a bunch of republican OKs posters talkin feminism...how cute
Jan 17th 2013
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3xKrazy
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1. "his honey badger obsession last year was far creepier"
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IMO

  

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2. "it was weird and extremely annoying but the reaction is overblown"
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i was half way listening and figured it was some bama fan country music star or something
when i found out it was a players gf shit just seemed extra

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3. "Really wasnt that bad..."
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Pussification of America continues...

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all stah
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4. "RE: Musbergers creeplife commentary on McCarrons gal"
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this political correct shit is getting out of hand. Sports Announcers have been doing that for years.


  

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8. "hey! youre not supposed to talk about this stuff here!"
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all stah
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10. "RE: hey! youre not supposed to talk about this stuff here!"
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Wed Jan-09-13 12:32 PM by all stah

          

this is related to sports because it happened during a sports game on a sports channel.

you were talking about harden fucking bitches.

if you can't see the difference, then your acid level is too high, and you need to add more base to your diet, because you are not getting the nutrients that you need in order to have clarity

  

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13. "It's no ISYSYCACYE, but it's still good."
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>if you can't see the difference, then your acid level is too
>high, and you need to add more base to your diet, because you
>are not getting the nutrients that you need in order to have
>clarity

__________
YARDS

  

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all stah
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19. "RE: It's no ISYSYCACYE, but it's still good."
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>>if you can't see the difference, then your acid level is
>too
>>high, and you need to add more base to your diet, because
>you
>>are not getting the nutrients that you need in order to have
>>clarity
>

ISYSYCACYE

im so confused

  

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119. "RE: Musbergers creeplife commentary on McCarrons gal"
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>this political correct shit is getting out of hand. Sports
>Announcers have been doing that for years.
>

YES THEY HAVE! Normally they do it later in games when they are trying to get to the end without having dead air on live TV. This however was in the 1st quarter. I laughed, wondered if it was just me who thought they went all in on it a little too early in the game, then moved on. Of course folks are dying to make it a big deal. Fuck it..she was pretty much bangin. And it ain't like she doesn't know it. And she might get cheese offa this. She wins. Agenda folks win. We win for getting to randomly check her out.

Apparently it is now 'creeping' to be attracted to women in the way that most dudes are attracted to even the most random women. If so, I'm screwed. To share, I say 'wow' to myself at least 3 times every time I'm in the grocery store during peak hours. Hell, just last night I saw a white chick in tights and boots who had hella thighs and cakes..it caught me off guard and left me visually blessed. It took me at least 3 minutes to get over that chick. Who am I kidding? I want to see her again right now. She was sneaky-style stacked and I love that. And guilty pleasures. Clearly I couldn't be an announcer.

Jimaveli

  

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5. "also i havent followed the reaction. but how do u know AJ's chick"
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didn't ask for some screen time?

not a bad way to become an overnight celebrity...if that's something that you're after.

  

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6. "Colin Kleins wife got 100 times more screen time"
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and zero network flak

This is good for AJ, cuz when hes done at bama she gonna be the breadwinner

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16. "they didnt comment on her looks though"
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IIRC

  

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7. "These reactions are hilarious."
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It was completely inappropriate, and I like all the implications above that somehow blame or include her.

Nice.

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11. "RE: These reactions are hilarious."
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Wed Jan-09-13 12:37 PM by all stah

          



sports announcers onscreen talk about babes all the time. I remember when the titty lady used to run across the baseball field, and announcers would go berserk over her.

It's called freedom of speech and press, and there wasn't anything obscene about the attention that they gave her.

so you do wear panties and go to pta meetings?..punk

  

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22. "yet another person who doesn't understand what free speech is"
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go read something.

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all stah
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27. "RE: yet another person who doesn't understand what free speech is"
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Wed Jan-09-13 01:06 PM by all stah

          

You are a toe the line type of person that needs others and legislation to tell you how to exist and how to communicate as a free entity.

By existence of being a free organism and a free human entity you have the right to FREE WILL. However, I'm not sure you are competent enough to understand what that means.

Musberger broke no law in expressing his appreciation for the beauty of a woman onscreen. He broke no law in his contract, and he broke no law in regards to the constitution, and he broke no law as a human entity( because there is no law in the realm of nature).


your move..but, regardless, you're still going to get mated.

  

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32. "you didn't read up on what the 1st Amendment means did you?"
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Sad.

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all stah
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34. "RE: you didn't read up on what the 1st Amendment means did you?"
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Wed Jan-09-13 01:23 PM by all stah

          

no legislation( of men or man) inhibits the ultimate liberation of free choice.

sorry your're not a free thinker, and you're simply a drone.

have a nice day.

oh by the way chief:

Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity, sedition (including, for example inciting ethnic hatred), copyright violation, revelation of information that is classified or otherwise.

musberger violated none of those elements.

just take the L and go practice your mod drills.

  

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38. "good thing nobody called for him to be arrested by the gov"
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Go find a new argument to fail at.

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all stah
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40. "RE: good thing nobody called for him to be arrested by the gov"
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Wed Jan-09-13 01:36 PM by all stah

          

naw, naw.. you're not escaping your L


nope!

You said it was inappropriate, as if it broke some kind of code or law.


Now, just because YOU didn't like it does not mean that it was wrong or
inappropriate. That is YOUR preference, so you have absolutely shit to stand on

  

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45. "Excellent attempt. A+"
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>You said it was inappropriate, as if it broke some kind of code or law.

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49. "RE: Excellent attempt. A+"
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Wed Jan-09-13 01:45 PM by all stah

          

"It was COMPLETELY inappropriate"

do you know what completely means?

do you?


those were your words.


you're not escaping, chief.

  

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142. "To recap"
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It was completely inappropriate.

This has nothing to do with free speech or the first amendment.

Again - I really think you should try harder. Unless this is the best you can do.

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14. "calm down...it was striclty a guess"
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>and I like all the
>implications above that somehow blame or include her.

I have absolutely no idea what happened.

If she was completely oblivious to the deliberate plans of getting any screen time whatsoever then that would be wrong on the behalf of ESPN.

If I had to guess I'd say that wasn't the case, though.

  

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9. "Brent's drinking the same amount before games, it's just"
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hitting him harder.

I was waiting for Herbie to just say "Brent, you're inappropriate" instead of awkwardly trying to change the subject.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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12. "RE: Brent's drinking the same amount before games, it's just"
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but kirk went in too, though

  

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31. "from what i remember"
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kirk was with it for a minute, and clearly realized it had gone too far and started trying to steer the conversation a different direction.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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15. "Didn't his creeplife comments basically make Jenn Sterger?"
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21. "yes"
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again, another girl that didn't exactly feel victimized afterward.

  

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17. "1968..Musburger on J. Carlos and T. Johns ......"
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quote:

Bizarre Protest by Smith, Carlos Tarnishes Medals
by Brent Musburger

MEXICO CITY-Tommie Smith and John Carlos must be labeled unimaginative blokes if they can't come up with a stronger and more effective protest than the one they staged her last night during the Olympic medal ceremony honoring their accomplishments in the 200-meter run.

Smith and Carlos looked like a couple of black-skinned storm troopers, holding aloft their black-gloved hands during the playing of the National Anthem. They sprinkled their symbolism with black track shoes and black scarfs and black power medals. It's destined to go down as the most unsubtle demonstration in the history of protest.

But you've got to give Smith and Carlos credit for one thing. They knew how to deliver whatever it was they were trying to deliver on international television, thus insuring maximum embarrassment for the country that is picking up the tab for their room and board here in Mexico City. One gets a little tired of having the United States run down by athletes who are enjoying themselves at the expense of their country.

Protesting and working constructively against racism in the United States is one thing, but airing one's dirty clothing before the entire world during a fun and games tournament was no more than a juvenile gesture by a couple of athletes who should have known better.

If Smith and Carlos were convinced that the ends justified their black power demonstration during the National Anthem, they should have avoided the award ceremony altogether. If it's true, as Hayes Jones says, that an athlete competes for himself but walks to the stand for his country, then a more courageous protest would have been for Smith and Carlos simply to stay away and not pick up their medals.

Their ignoble performance on the victory stand completely overshadowed a magnificent performance by two black athletes. It's a shame. Smith will not now be remembered as that splendid runner who so thoroughly demolished the world's record that he ran the last 10 yards with both arms held high in triumph over his head as he crashed through the finish line in the fantastic time of 19.8.

He will instead be remembered as the militant black who shook a black glove and black track shoe during the playing of the National Anthem. It hardly seems on the level with his first accomplishment, and it did absolutely nothing to relax racial tensions any place.

<end of swipe>

then in 1999 he followed up it like this:

Musburger, now with ABC Sports, said yesterday that his words were ''a bit harsh,'' yet questioned the value of the gloved-fist salute. ''Did it improve anything?'' he asked, then added, ''Smith and Carlos aside, I object to using the Olympic awards stand to make a political statement.''

summation:

eff a Brent Musburger then, now, and forever

  

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20. "Damn"
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I was indifferent about dude, but after that...fuck em

  

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66. "^^^ said it so i didn't have to. nm"
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peace & blessings,

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26. "HAHAHAHAHAAHA"
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>I object to using the Olympic awards stand to make a political statement.'

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30. "Wow...did not know that. All respect...vanished."
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37. "middle aged white men really hate Carlos and Smith"
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I once had a high school algebra teacher chase me down in the hallway to give me a bunch of shit about a school paper article I wrote about them.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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65. "At the time, a lot of black folks felt the same way"
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The John Carlos and Tommie Smith as "heroes" meme
is actually pretty new

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69. " yeah, it was quite a while before anyone embraced them"
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most people thought it was selfish

  

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124. "so?"
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i was talking about my feelings regarding musburger based on verifiable historical fact

not on baseless data.

i'm leery when anyone - Black or not - starts pontificating anecdotally on what "most of us" do or did with zero to support it as fact...especially to justify something white folks do/did

whomever those Black folks were.....eff them too. additionally, even if it were true, it still provides no justification for musburger on some a-does-not-lead-to-b-being-ok

and no, i'm not "mad" at your response...i just don't think it's relevant at best and question its truth at worst

*shrug*

  

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131. "Talk about irrelevant. "
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Bringing up what Musberger said about John Carlos
and Tommie Smith in a post about his comments on a
girl's beauty is super irrelevant

I know nor give a fuck about Musberger. He prolly is
racist and conservative...I don't care to defend him

My point is that a lot of progressive black people said
that Tommy Smith and John Carlos were whiny attention
whores who put their feelings ahead of the spirit of
the olympic games and whose actions didn't really do
anything to help anyone

That was a common view at the time, even from black people
who loved black people

So I can't really chide a white MALE for authoring much
of the same over 40 years ago



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138. "nah"
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>Bringing up what Musberger said about John Carlos
>and Tommie Smith in a post about his comments on a
>girl's beauty is super irrelevant

not really. It is relevant because Musburger been saying dumb stuff for decades so why trip now? why feign surprise when a duck quacks, or when a tainted well poisons someone?

>My point is that a lot of progressive black people said
>that Tommy Smith and John Carlos were whiny attention
>whores who put their feelings ahead of the spirit of
>the olympic games and whose actions didn't really do
>anything to help anyone

WHO though? "a lot"? of course now you'll probably say "go find them yourself" but the burden of proof is usually on the one making the assertion. I'm not saying they DIDN'T exist, but "a lot" is pretty vague and throws up flags when talking about an entire race of people

or are we talking about YOU (in which case I guess your comments might make more sense...or at least some kinda basis)

>That was a common view at the time, even from black people
>who loved black people

again: WHO though? And as far as "Black people who loved Black people" how are those folks you reference not showing more love for "the spirit of the olympics" (a nebulous concept) over the concerns of a couple of the very people they supposedly love (something tangible)? calling them whiny and attention whores is a heck of a way to express the love you are attributing to "them".

>So I can't really chide a white MALE for authoring much
>of the same over 40 years ago

right, but then there is the 1999-line-toeing part so the 40-years-ago part which kinda eliminates the 40-years ago and therefore it doesn't matter implication (another fact: last June Carlos said that whenever he and Musburger are in the same location he can't say anything to him because musburger takes off the other direction. said in here: http://www.thenation.com/blog/168209/after-forty-four-years-its-time-brent-musburger-apologized-john-carlos-and-tommie-smith#)

"chide" as you will, again i say eff dat dude AND any "progressive" of any color who agreed/agrees with him

  

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164. "Who gives a shit"
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a) Nobody is trying to debate Carlos/Smith right now

b) Musberger wasn't wrong for what he said the other
night

That's the point

Stop bringing up irrelevant shit

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166. "lol"
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1. musburger is an a-hole and has been. again, why be surprised now? very relevant.

2. if it was irrelevant to you @ the beginning why add MORE irrelevance with that response

3. you *keep* responding (not by directly responding to the points/questions, but nonetheless replying). leave it alone and the sub-thread will stop. right?

  

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183. "RE: nah"
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Upon returning home, there was support for Smith and Carlos in the Black community, but not the entire Black community. Carlos explains: “There was pride but only from the less fortunate. What could they do but show their pride? But we had Black businessmen, we had Black political caucuses, and they never embraced Tommie Smith or John Carlos. When my wife took her life in 1977 they never said, let me help.”


http://www.isreview.org/issues/61/feat-zirin.shtml

o00o

  

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153. "gatdamn, that is some crotchety old cracker shit! and that was 45 yrs ag..."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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18. "i aint see nothing wrong w/ it."
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all dude said was that girl looked good. yeah he was thirsting, but so was the rest of america.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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23. "My roomate ran into Musberger before the 05 OSU Texas game"
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Dude was reeking of liquor and cigarettes apparently...

word is Musberger loves to hit the sauce before broadcasts, so he doesn't hold much back...dude ALWAYS brings up spreads and odds, which leads me to believe he always has money riding on games

who knows, she didn't care and apparently she loves the attention, so whatever.


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43. "Brent's wagers are often obvious."
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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24. "Completely overblown"
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He thought she was beautiful and then related it back to why you should be a QB. The sensitivity of people is getting ridiculous man.

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25. "She was on the TODAY show telling people to give him a break"
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Good enough for me. It was weird, but almost entirely by duration.

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28. "well, that takes care of that"
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and I know she wasn't mad about being on the Today show.

  

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29. "yep. before the game she was a nobody"
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now she's Katherine Webb, Miss Alabama, the girl that even Lebron James was thirsting over. gained like 150000 twitter followers in 2 days.

i don't think she's sweating it.

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33. "I gotta say, though: not really that hot."
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35. "Wait, we're mad because a guy commentated on a girl's looks"
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and this girl is a fucking BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTESTANT/WINNER!?!!?!

  

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39. "it's fucking asinine"
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>and this girl is a fucking BEAUTY PAGEANT
>CONTESTANT/WINNER!?!!?!

  

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58. "^^^^^^^^^"
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36. "this is the dumbest controversy ever, dude said nothing inappropriate"
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41. "Walleye's right, the duration of it was weird"
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It wasn't so much what he said so much as how it kept going...

Like yeah, we get it.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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44. "oh I ain't saying it didn't sound a bit weird but seriously, there was"
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nothing there you should actually be reprimanded over.

Folks just thought it was creepy because of the commentator more than the comment.

Folks don't wanna think about Brent Musberger having a dick.

  

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52. "Right. "Okay, you're a seventy year old man...you need to stop""
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was an actual quote from my girl.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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77. "Exactly "
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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116. "I didn't even think it was weird. It was corny at worst. "
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And college football is always corny.

Musberger was talking about how Matt Leinart had
to take ballroom dancing his last year at USC
during the 06 Rose Bowl.


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42. "woman being objectified and an internet board of men sees nothing wrong"
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*feigns surprise*

(and this isn't about her experience and reaction to being objectified, but of all the viewers who then were complicit in that objectification)

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46. "RE: woman being objectified and an internet board of men sees nothing wr..."
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show me this objectified law that you speak so highly of ...is this an executive order?

or a new constitution that I am not aware of?

There is no right or wrong here. he gave a HUMAN EXPRESSION based off a visual experience about something that appeared to be beautiful to him.


Now, being that you WATCH Soccer, soccer announcers literally droollllllll over WAGS on the air.





  

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47. "irony"
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>It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

  

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48. "lol @ 'objectified' talking about a beauty-pageant contestant"
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She's a good-looking woman.

That's why she won a Beauty Pageant & dates the Quarterback of the state football team.

It happens.

Brent made an allusion to that being the spoils of athletic success (which was true, particularly in a place like Alabama) and somehow this is now an issue.

I wasn't even watching this live, checked the video later and was like 'that's it?'.

  

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50. "Sometimes you have to take "yes" for an answer"
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>and this isn't about her experience and reaction to being
>objectified

Then you're typing about the wrong thing. We have a delightfully pithy saying about the relationship between nature, sin, and grace in the church. It's "your sins don't name you". Don't be slower than the harmed person to just forgive it and move on.

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60. "^^^ end of post"
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>>and this isn't about her experience and reaction to being
>>objectified
>
>Then you're typing about the wrong thing. We have a
>delightfully pithy saying about the relationship between
>nature, sin, and grace in the church. It's "your sins don't
>name you". Don't be slower than the harmed person to just
>forgive it and move on.

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61. "Holy shit. n/m"
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74. "you're right"
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but there are people reading this who will do this or do worse and think its okay.

i have no problems with mussburger. i have problems with people being incredulous about a reaction.

  

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80. "i wouldn't follow anything the church has to say re: gender"
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>Then you're typing about the wrong thing. We have a
>delightfully pithy saying about the relationship between
>nature, sin, and grace in the church. It's "your sins don't
>name you". Don't be slower than the harmed person to just
>forgive it and move on.

she wasn't the only harmed person is my argument. Brent Musberger just normalized cat-calling pretty women on cable tv. now, it's pretty damn normal (see the responses all over this post), but that doesn't make it ok.

that some women are fine with that cat-calling doesn't mean it's ok to proceed. it's not.


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83. "She's the former Ms. Alabama, is the star QBs g/f and goes to Auburn"
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That I know that much about her pretty much
refutes the argument that she was "cat called"


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86. "point missed. cool, tho."
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she got thirsted after on national tv. whether or not she's all of that doesn't negate the problems that her getting cat called by musburger create/perpetuate.

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88. "Yeah, you're carrying a dead carcass around at this point. "
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You need to just let it go

I think you understand that all your suspicions are
silly slippery slopes

>she got thirsted after on national tv. whether or not she's
>all of that doesn't negate the problems that her getting cat
>called by musburger create/perpetuate.

The point is that those details are the reason she got
called out. He didn't randomly surf the audience, pick
a pretty girl, and talk about her.

He was talking about an educated, highly accomplished
young woman. And beauty is a part of what she does, being
that she partakes in beauty pageants and models.

But apparently its offensive to talk about how pretty
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91. "you're trying to find excuses for the inappropriate behavior"
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>The point is that those details are the reason she got
>called out. He didn't randomly surf the audience, pick
>a pretty girl, and talk about her.

and that's not relevant. call her beautiful, reference the auburn/alabama thing and be done. I wouldn't blink an eye. but that's not what he did. he gushed. he kept going.

this was in the 1st quarter too, so the game wasn't over yet, so that's not a justification either.

>He was talking about an educated, highly accomplished
>young woman.

yeah. that's how he treated her. like an educated, highly accomplished young woman. LMAO. in fact, he got her bio wrong--he said she goes to auburn. she graduated in 2011.

And beauty is a part of what she does, being
>that she partakes in beauty pageants.

and that doesn't mean you get to thirst after her as the announcer of a nationally broadcasted

i got dinner to go make, so i'm out. enjoy justifying this some more. smdh.

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95. "You said its wrong to talk about how pretty a thong model is"
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You don't believe that

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122. "right. because i didn't say that"
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good talk.

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123. "What is the appropriate way to talk about a thong model in public"
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I'm asking you a serious question


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170. "The director was the one who kept the camera on her."
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Musburger did nothing wrong, and nothing that can be called "thirsting"

  

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96. "I can't find part where I appealed to church authority on gender"
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Perhaps you can show it to me?

Unrelatedly (or, rather, at least as related to the present conversation as your non sequitur attempt to discredit Rome) I'm confident that the church's opinions on the vast and weird topic of gender aren't something that you understand as well as you think you do.

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121. "it was a missed joke"
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that you took seriously (similarly, people caught feelings over my first post?). sorry.

similarly, i'm sorry if my posting style came across as condescending. I'm willing to blame it on a religio-cultural difference in linguistic norms (my fiancee always blames that for why she gets annoyed at how I argue as a NE jew) on how to make points. i apologize if i came off condescendingly, as that was not the intent. Nor, when you post, do I presume you are condescending to me, though, quite frequently, my first reaction (before remembering it's you posting) is that it was condescending. I post that not to call you condescending sounding, but because it's interesting to me how posting styles can lead to those presumptions and why and what might be behind that.

however, the posts all above mine, other than smuts, were pretty unanimously about how musburger is just a creepy old guy (thus, no big deal) or its overblown. I'm pretty confident in arguing that were we to storify this whole post, other than the occasionally smuts (bizarre name for this post) or me or bin, it's pretty much a board-wide agreement that this was overblown and not an issue and we should stare at pretty women during sports events as per usual.

i don't see a problem with showing a player's wife and complimenting her and moving on. I do think musburger drove well past that line. i might have done a poor job articulating why that is, but it's certainly my opinion, and i've learned to never believe i'll change a mind on okaysports. But I do think this is another space where the boy's club has met and decided that what boys do with regard to women is ok. Then, the woman who was the target of that action said it was ok, and she trumps the other women who were talking about broader issues than her feelings on the subject, but we don't want to hear that in our boys club.

so i did a poor job of explaining my views on this one. next time i'll try better or not bother. not sure which.

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126. "What is she if she doesn't trump them?"
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>she trumps the other women who were talking about broader
>issues than her feelings on the subject, but we don't want to
>hear that in our boys club.

You've almost played a nice slight of hand here, but it doesn't quite work. Her willingness to forgive isn't trumping other women, it's trumping a conversation that focuses on her. Nobody's stopped from talking about a broader issue here. Just stopped from making her a tentpole in that discussion.

Here's another pithy moment in catechism: sin is treating objects like people and people like objects. Whether she's text or t&a seems like six of one and half dozen of the other to me since neither one gets to be a person. So even if it plays better in an undergraduate WGS class, I don't think turning her into a stick with which to whap people we don't like is substantively better than turning her into a particularly pleasant arrangement of flesh.

Civilization will, at some point, have to continue and that works most smoothly when we permit the aggrieved party power down the outrage machine themselves.

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132. "stop talking to a jew about catechisms!"
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talk about insensitive

>You've almost played a nice slight of hand here, but it
>doesn't quite work. Her willingness to forgive isn't trumping
>other women, it's trumping a conversation that focuses on her.
>Nobody's stopped from talking about a broader issue here. Just
>stopped from making her a tentpole in that discussion.

so brent musburger doesn't need to apologize to her. cool. espn didn't apologize to her either. because that was one of two conjoined issues.

>Here's another pithy moment in catechism: sin is treating
>objects like people and people like objects. Whether she's
>text or t&a seems like six of one and half dozen of the other
>to me since neither one gets to be a person. So even if it
>plays better in an undergraduate WGS class, I don't think
>turning her into a stick with which to whap people we don't
>like is substantively better than turning her into a
>particularly pleasant arrangement of flesh.

that's a particular reading of the issue. And it's too individualized, imo, for it to resolve these issues. There were two aggrieved parties, disrespected through the same act. The particular woman and her family, who opted out of being aggrieved, and the entire audience, of which many were aggrieved. You believe we can't separate the two, I believe we have to.

Or, that is, we have to wait until the woman oggled on national broadcast is offended to decide that I can be offended by what I view as well? That's where you seem to be heading, and that's not accurate. As a viewer who wanted to watch a game, I shouldn't be subjected to a view of women I found degrading and demeaning to her, to women, and to me. That isn't negated by the fact that the woman involved is ok with it, because she is just one of of three groups involved. The speaker, the target, and the audience. As the target, her views need to be respected, and so I'm not trying to teach her to view the world differently or feel threatened by Musburger. I do, however, think the audience has a right to have an opinion and feel offended or hurt by having to view that action passively. Had Brent been walking with me in a park and Katherine Webb and McCarron were sitting on a bench and Musburger started talking about her like that, I'd have a right to tell him to STFU, right? Even if Webb said afterwards that she didn't mind once she heard it later?

>Civilization will, at some point, have to continue and that
>works most smoothly when we permit the aggrieved party power
>down the outrage machine themselves.

fanon comes to mind here, but i'm really just kinda done with this post, tbh.

anyway, it's still amusing to me how enraged and defensive the interwebs of men got over an issue that two professors gave quick quotes about in the nytimes. talk about an aggrieved party needing to power down an outrage machine...espn apologized and it could have been a non-starter. men got mad defending musburger's principle (of drunkenness? of talking about women at football games?) more so than feminists got upset. The internet went fox news.

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97. "Furthermore"
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>it's pretty damn normal (see the responses all over
>this post)

This is either a pretty tremendous act of un-charity towards your peers (we are, believe it or not, your peers) on this board or an even greater collapse of reading comprehension. Characterizing people's thoughts on this topic here as anything but too-diverse-to-get-a-handle-on is wrong and jerky.

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104. "he's a Barca/Messi fan. reason is out the window w/ that one."
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but damn if he don't got his cape on!

  

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51. "veritas should have made this post"
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anyway, its not wrong because muss did it...he came off as a joke and should be treated as such.

people should be able to respect purty ladies for their purty. it's an asset like any other asset, and its on of the few a camera can capture in 3 secs before commercial.

it's wrong because there's a double standard. cameraman aren't searching them bowls for barely legal frat boys and their silver fox uncles.

  

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53. "?"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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57. "i think he was referencing your sig."
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71. "yes"
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63. "Men like you are precisely why gender relations don't go anywhere"
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Men like pretty women

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79. "i didn't say don't say she's pretty"
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but don't do what he did.

all y'all can be mad as fuck at me about that, but i don't really give a fuck what some thirsty ass people on a sports board think about my views on gender relations.

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82. "Your views have nothing to do with "gender relations" though"
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Sounds like you're just conservative and squeamish
(ironically)

I can see if you were complaining about it because it
was lousy color commentating

But because its "objectifying women?"

How?



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87. "she was treated as a prize won by a man being heroically athletic"
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she's fine with it because she's a part-time model. but what we saw was the above not only happening (it does. that's fine--some go for the athlete), but being held up as a paragon of how to live and raise young boys, and, by extension, young girls. that's when it went too far, imo.

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90. "What in blue fuck are you talking about?"
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Literally your argument can be applied to *any*
focused discussion on a woman's looks

And "prize?"

You out your mind?

What boy in the galaxy doesn't fucking know
that holding a prestigious position gets you
attractive women?

And what woman in the world doesn't know that
society rewards attractive women with powerful men?

Literally that shit is 150,000 old, likely much older.

Not a single person on earth was influenced
or educated by Brent Musberger

According to you its offensive to point out that Giselle
is pretty when discussing Tom Brady?

LMFAO

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92. "if giselle got lusted after like that, i'd be disgusted too."
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but we know how you talk about women on this board, and i've not bothered to check u on it before, so whatever. let's just be done.

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94. "Uh. Giselle is a thong and bra model, sparky. "
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Like, you need to rethink your stance here

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107. "just stop replying to this clown"
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>
>Like, you need to rethink your stance here

he said "if giselle was lusted after like that" as if commentators HAVEN'T SAID shit OVER AND OVER AND OVER about how lucky tom brady is and shit....

this dude would get kicked out of a women's studies seminar for being too bitch, gotdamn

  

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118. "Apparently Giselle has never been openly lusted over"
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>he said "if giselle was lusted after like that" as if
>commentators HAVEN'T SAID shit OVER AND OVER AND OVER about
>how lucky tom brady is and shit....

Nah, whenever Giselle's name comes up, we talk about
how good she is at multivariate Calculus. That is why
she's famous, you know.

>this dude would get kicked out of a women's studies seminar
>for being too bitch, gotdamn



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105. "LMAO this is absurd"
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>she's fine with it because she's a part-time model. but what
>we saw was the above not only happening (it does. that's
>fine--some go for the athlete), but being held up as a paragon
>of how to live and raise young boys, and, by extension, young
>girls. that's when it went too far, imo.

And I thought I had a propensity for arguing over nothing...holy shit

  

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111. "He actually thinks he's being progressive too"
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That's the real shame

His thinking is the most old-fashioned and
backwards in here

  

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120. "funny, i'm not sure i trust okaysports' views on feminism"
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to be quite up to date...
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125. "Your views are the least feminist in this post"
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easily

plenty women find physical beauty and sexuality
empowering


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133. "his views are why 'bitch' is an offensive term for women"
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>
>easily
>
>plenty women find physical beauty and sexuality
>empowering
>
>
>----------------------------
>
>Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it
>you? http://MatchShannon.com/
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>
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>
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
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>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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143. "you say that as though its bad"
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And look above, oe with yet another dumbass strawman!

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146. "lol that line clearly went over your head"
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>And look above, oe with yet another dumbass strawman!
>
>-----------
>It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

but rock on Susan Be Anthony

  

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155. "the second part is where she was objectified IMO, no one focuses on"
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that part though. they are like ewwwwww, gross old man called that beautiful young girl a beautiful young girl, nasty, creepy, bah!

the second part where he basically says "throw a football good and get a hot bitch" in so many words is the only thing i find objectifying. like saying if you make a lot of money, you can buy a fast car.

but again, i seriously doubt that was his intended message or that he even put that much thought into it.

this kind of sterile, touchy approach toward gender doesn't work. it's the opposite of difference without deference. it's more like a rejection of difference with loads of deference.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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158. "i know he didn't put much thought into it"
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and you're dead on--that's where it got weird for me, and what I was trying to get at. you did better than I did in expressing that.

That was, for me, the moment where I saw how these cut-aways and what gets talked about during them helps "do gender" in front of millions of people primed for traditional masculinity/gender concepts. This one wasn't subtle where others are. And it happening right after the Jemele Hill bruhaha on his board helped me realize that, i think.

It wasn't a huge deal, insofar as there are more pressing things than old-ass Musburger saying some dated shit on TV, but it was not cool of him and it opened my eyes even further when the majority of the posts in here didn't see it the same way I did and didn't notice the overwhelming maleness of the place where they talked about how they saw and interpreted that moment.

I hate to make the race/gender comparison because they're very different aspects of our society and how we divide each other, but it was so reminiscent of how the conversation goes when I'm in a room of white people talking about race, it was illuminating to me.

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162. "Pretty much."
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169. "He said she was "beautiful.""
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Does that really constitute objectification?

I say no.

  

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54. "this whole situation baffles me..."
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like, she's pretty but i can't believe the reaction to her.

i was listening to/watching morning joe this morning and
joe (fellow 'bama alum) said exactly what i was thinking.
and that is basically that she's normal on UA's campus.
or Ole Miss's or UGA's or UF's etc. trust me, i can go to, let's say,
alston hall and walk to the ferguson center and have a bite to eat
and by the time i'm finished eating, i could have pointed out
about 75 young ladies that look like her or better.

i mean look : http://uploadir.com/u/3rk9oghi.gif
she's pretty but there are tons of chicks at 'bama whose
bodies would kill hers. of course it depends on what you like
but there are enough flavors for everyone.
i just don't get it.

with that said, Mussberger sounds like a creepy drunk.
golden voice, love to hear him call a game and i thought it
was funny when he said it but herbie did have to jump in
and cut him off to get back to football lol. it was awkward
but funny too. should have been a non issue from the start.

---
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55. "if i ever come to alabama i'm enlisting you as my tour guide"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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59. "you don't need one. just go to Tuscaloosa in early fall."
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just hang around campus on a friday before a big home game.
hang out on the strip (university blvd) that night and saturday.
maybe hit some bars downtown. you'll see plenty.

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67. "guess this theory doesnt apply to Mobile because I was there last winter"
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and that place was desolate when it came to high-end women.

Then again I have difficulty not allowing L.A. to jade me on the subject.

  

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99. "Can't speak too much on Mobile but"
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I do remember a couple of fine chicks from Mobile when I was
at Bama. The key word you said was winter though. Not that it
gets too cold down there on the coast but I'm pretty sure Mobile
has it's share of good looking women. Maybe they were hibernating.

But Tuscaloosa and Birmingham and Huntsville have a lock on
the state's most attractive women. Auburn too.

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Dynasty -
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72. "uh. that is the point. people go crazy over all women"
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i agree....she wouldn't be the one i'd have my eyes on if i had been at auburn. but our culture gives dumb people permission to act a fool when ladies are involved.

i'm not all in on the controversy, but yeah, muss thinking that shit is appropriate is his version of them ohio kids on youtube and that shit in india. it's what they be talking about when they talk about rape culture.

  

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110. "true story.."
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she admittedly looks great..
but, athens on any given saturday night can yield comparable prospects

we are simply the Best

  

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129. "yup. I'm sure I had at least one class w/ Erin Andrews, but on campus"
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she'd have just been another good looking blonde.

sidenote: Telecommunications is one of the best majors for fine women, because it's all full of girls who want to be TV reporters. Eye candy in every room. which is why it's good that I was in a long-distance relationship for all four years of college with a girl who went to school 1,100 miles away that I didn't end up marrying. The lesson, as always: I'm an idiot.

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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150. "ouch man....that hurt just to read...."
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Eye candy in every room. which is why it's good
>that I was in a long-distance relationship for all four years
>of college with a girl who went to school 1,100 miles away
>that I didn't end up marrying. The lesson, as always: I'm an
>idiot.

I hope you at least got to see SOME time on the field....?

or did you red shirt all 4 years?




______________________
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161. "I snuck onto the field for a few plays here and there"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

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56. "i heard the reaction 1st, by the time I heard the clip I said "that's it..."
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It was creepy, but if you were watching the game with your uncle or grandfather and he made the comment you'd laugh at his creepiness while agreeing with his point about QBs.

  

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62. "Men complaining about this should be ashamed of themselves"
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Seriously

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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68. "co-sign n/m"
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64. "this is why "cyse" was invented"
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____________________________________________________


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78. "Lol. Shit is ridiculous fam"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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70. "Probably ND folks trying to bury the lede..."
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73. "Why? That was the most entertaining part of the game."
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76. "Exactly..."
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75. "I demand an apology for what Letterman did to Cam Newton."
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156. "LOL, underrated response"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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81. "I finally understand what the feminazis mean when they say rape culture"
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I'm going to say this slowly so hopefully its understood.

It doesn't matter that the woman is a beauty queen.

Doesn't matter that she welcomes the twitter followers.

Doesn't matter that there's a million other chicks better looking (wtf?)

She's trying to chill in public & watch the fucking game.

She didn't ask for the camera at that time. She isn't cheerleading.

She has a right to her privacy. She was chilling in the stands. The fact that the whole nation of men is like "oh! Pretty! Me likes!"

Is hella creepy! Who the fuck gave Musberger, you, your drunk ass uncle or anyone else the go ahead to pass judgement (in public!) about a gatdamn thing!

Like...who the fuck do y'all think you are?

If I was that woman's father or brother I would be livid...& afraid for her safety.

It's not right & I'm honestly kinda shocked at the laissez faire outlook I'm reading here. Respect the woman's right to her privacy. Leave her alone.

Whole shit is gross & lame. As a father of a daughter I'm appalled honestly.

Do better, "men"

  

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84. "LOL"
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>It doesn't matter that the woman is a beauty queen.

Actually, Ms. Alabama who goes to Auburn and is dating
the star QB of rival Alabama is a highly relevant
detail


>Doesn't matter that she welcomes the twitter followers.

Translation: you don't care about what her opinion is
on the matter. Ironic.

>She's trying to chill in public & watch the fucking game.

We already asked her, and she didn't mind.

>She didn't ask for the camera at that time. She isn't
>cheerleading.

If the issue is whether or not she asked for the
camera time, simply ask her if she thought it was
appropriate or not.

She already told us.


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89. "How is anything about her relevant to the football game?"
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Is she playing?

Was she like the 12th man? Coach was gonna point to her in the stands and tell her to suit up?

What are you talking about?

Lemme ask you this. What if she was a broom Hilda looking chick? Would it still be cool to single her out & pass our little judgement on how she looks? Of course not. Nobody wants to see no ugly woman. It's the mentality. What gives you or me or Musberger or whomever the right to single her (or any woman) out for public judgement? The shit is rank and rampant anti female sexism and in 2013? I know y'all know better

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93. "o so only things directly relevant to football should be discussed? "
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>What are you talking about?

That's a far more radical complaint, one that you
don't even believe

>Lemme ask you this. What if she was a broom Hilda looking
>chick? Would it still be cool to single her out & pass our
>little judgement on how she looks? Of course not. Nobody wants
>to see no ugly woman. It's the mentality. What gives you or me
>or Musberger or whomever the right to single her (or any
>woman) out for public judgement? The shit is rank and rampant
>anti female sexism and in 2013? I know y'all know better

Is it ever okay to talk about a woman's looks in public?

Honest question




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98. "Uh, while watching a football game? Yes."
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If your point is while watching football, all areas of discussion are up for grabs them that whole mnf experiment with that conservative bearded comic doing color would have taken off but guess what...when people watch football...they kinda wanna talk...(shocker!) football


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100. "That complaint has nothing to do with the girl situation, though"
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According to you, talking about Honey Badger's
experience with Hurricane Katrina is also poor
form because we should respect Honey Badger's
privacy + it doesn't relate to the actual game

Right?

Or are you just making shit up as you go along?



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101. "Honey badger is on the field, right?"
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He's actively playing right? Not a nobody fan in the stands right?

Riiight


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103. "Criticize Ralph Lawler for ever uttering a word about Billy Crystal."
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Binlahab
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106. "What the hell are you talking about? Nm"
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do or die

  

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151. "People in the stands are fair game."
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Especially if the game is boring as fuck.

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115. "Hurricane Katrina didn't happen on the field. "
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He wasn't abandoned on the field.

He wasn't adopted on the field.

Literally none of that has anything to do with
football.

Musberger talked about it, y'all said nothing.


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85. "i think everyone agrees it was at least a little creepy"
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but the idea of reprimanding or apologizing is strange to me in this instance. he didn't really SAY anything.

realistically, if you're a public figure you can't go to a public, televised game and not expect to be on TV. i disagree with anyone saying "she's looking for the attention" but the idea of putting someone's gf or wife on camera isn't new, and is usually television's way of saying "look how pretty this QB's gf is" without actually saying it. so for espn to apologize on his behalf is a bit hypocritical to me.

  

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112. "Feminazis is PC now??"
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I would take more offense to that than what Brent said.

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144. "The nygga who was in every twerk team post.."
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and was inboxing underage chiks for titty pics

is now a rallying against creeplife

lulz

Good show bin


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149. "I'm sorry. WHAT?!?!?!?!"
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>and was inboxing underage chiks for titty pics
>

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172. "wheres can can, SeV? nm"
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do or die

  

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102. "long close-ups+ plus dropping her name +his audible hard-on"
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= hella rapey.

I like looking at women, prolly more than most dudes, but she wasn't at the game for all that.

Plus MussB gave dudes MOM the bizness too.

In any event, McCarron is in for some heartbreak when he has to be a walk-on tryout for a NFL team down the line, cuz cats like Darnell Dockett got plans and a check for that chick

  

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113. "HOw'd he have all the info on her???"
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Please tell me you think he did some googling before the game.

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134. "Man, I knew who she was before the game, too"
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but I'm assuming that a lot of that few dozen million people watching the game didn't. Unless we know that her and Ol' Mussy had something worked out in advance on the promotional tip, that shit was hella skeevy.

I mean, if she cool with it, I'm cool with it, but don't act like a drunk ol Mussy lettin one off on the air over woman in the crowd and throwing her name out there for public consumption is str8 up normal.

If my homeboy acted like that at a Hooters or some shit, I'd tell him to control his balls a lil bit. A sportscaster on global TV, tho? Yeah, he needed to pull up a lot.

  

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135. "I have a feeling she came up when they had a meeting with AJ"
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again, how else would he know she was sitting with his mom, etc

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171. "so the cameraman wasn't on some 'welp, look what i found!' shit?"
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>again, how else would he know she was sitting with his mom,
>etc

while randomly panning the crowd?

people are kidding themselves if they don't think this was a collaborative joint that at minimum was semi-scripted.

  

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108. "Personally I prefer masturbating to Tomas Berdych's girlfriend"
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http://chewthedirt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/ester-satorova/ester-satorova-2.jpg

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114. "^^^^^^^^R & B Tennis Commentary "
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117. "I wonder what her grade point average is/was"
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n/m

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109. "he's just trying to start careers"
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he has a history of doing so. always trying to help young women come up.


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127. "Okay, so y'all niggas really did debate this shit. Awesome."
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btw, Upton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ol' girl

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139. "I would hope so"
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>btw, Upton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ol'
>girl
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128. "am i the only one here who remembers kurt warner's wife"
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being on the screen seemingly after every dead ball during rams games?

people are acting like they only focused on her because she's pretty, etc, have it all wrong. part of the production, the entertainment, of these big games is to have storylines that go beyond what's happening on the field, especially during a big fucking one-sided rout and folks are about to change channels.

whether it's a cancer-surviving wife, a beauty pageant girlfriend who went to a rival school, a single parent who struggled to get their kid into school, etc.

musberger went a little creepy with it, yeah, but this reaction is overblown. this is a far cry from something like namath/kolber.

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130. "I'm still scarred by the closeups of Brenda Warner, but you're right"
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same reason they show players' parents or kids in the stands.

remember Barry Bonds' kids with the sign that said "Please Pitch to my Dad?"

sports television production is not just about showing the game, it's using the game to tell a story. that's why there's a director in the truck.

*Jews you*

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Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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147. "She got better looking in Arizona"
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She was still sorta terrifying, but more in the Stepford Wives way over there.

Do I have to issue an apology to the board now?

  

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157. "i used to refer to her as marcy darcy"
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so maybe i am not the authority on sensitivity

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136. "Oh I remember, thought it was weird Kurt married a dominatrix"
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>being on the screen seemingly after every dead ball during
>rams games?
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137. "they especially have to do this with football and baseball."
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>
>people are acting like they only focused on her because she's
>pretty, etc, have it all wrong. part of the production, the
>entertainment, of these big games is to have storylines that
>go beyond what's happening on the field, especially during a
>big fucking one-sided rout and folks are about to change
>channels.


because there are LONG breaks in the action.

  

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140. "I'm offended by those that were offended"
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145. "oh they were telling stories? i must have missed that"
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foh with this plea

  

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148. "it's like they think people are offended by the auburn/alabama part"
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of the musburger creeplife show.

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163. "right?"
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154. "stop being reasonable, let cranky old black guys n emo honkeys cook"
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165. "2 for 1 haircut special"
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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167. "I used to clown her till I found out she was a cancer survivor"
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Yall are out of line clowning her haircut

I think the cancer is why she rocked the
low joint

Doubt she was on chemo, but maybe it was
some solidarity type shit



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141. "Boner pills during commercial breaks"
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152. "Did I miss something? Is this the full extent of what he said?"
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"You see that lovely lady there? She does go to Auburn, I'll admit that, but she's also Miss Alabama, and that's A.J. McCarron's girlfriend. Wow, I'm telling ya, you quarterbacks, you get all the good-looking women. What a beautiful woman! Whoa! So if you're a youngster in Alabama, start getting the football out and throw it around the backyard with pops."

First of all, describing that as a "slew" of comments, as I've commonly seen, is a misnomer. It's really one comment, I guess you could say starting at "so," it is a separate, more general comment.

Is that all? WTF? Some of you are offended by this? First of all, there is nothing wrong with calling someone beautiful, no matter what the ages or appearances of the people in question are. Secondly, what he said about quarterbacks was kind of dumb but it's not untrue and it's just the kind of thing you'd expect a hokey old fart like Musberger to say.

This is also not a woman wearing a burka or working on vaccines in a lab, she is a beauty queen! I am pretty sure she is comfortable receiving adulation for her appearance and she even said as much.

So, did I miss something here? Did he say something else?

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159. "it is."
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but look at the "controversy." There wasn't anything beyond tweets. espn apologized for Musburger going too far, a couple academics got quoted, and then the internet worked its wonder and people flipped out because there was an apology (note: it wasn't ever an apology to Webb. (“We always try to capture interesting storylines and the relationship between an Auburn grad who is Miss Alabama and the current Alabama quarterback certainly met that test,” ESPN spokesman Mike Soltys tweeted. “However, we apologize that the commentary in this instance went too far and Brent understands that.”)

this was some fox news war on christmas style backlash against an apology that was pretty damn appropriate.

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168. "exactly. apology and k.i.m....problem ain't with muss"
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his generation is old and wrong, but we moving on. it's with the captain save-a-bros out there that can't wrap their heads around subtext.

  

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160. "I think people saying he was "creepy" owe him an apology"
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There is literally nothing wrong with anything
he did/said

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173. "right, i hate how the &quot;creepy&quot; thing gets thrown around"
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one time me and my boy were down in costa rica and while we were split up he met some girl. he told me about her and told her about me as we had been traveling together. we all went to our respective homes. i saw her on facebook, added her and said hello. She approved it and said hey. Like two weeks later, I get a call from dude FUMING mad. I guess her trail had dried up, she stopped talking to him for a few days. He's like "Oh, I did some digging and I see that about a week before she stopped communicating with me, you added her. That is just creep status."

I was like boo the fuck hoo, my Heeb! What the fuck does one have to do with the other? Oh, and I guess I know what you think of me now, the fact that I would be perceived as "creepy" right off the hop.

This boring story has a point. Musberger is just an old dude. What makes him so creepy? His boozey smile and bad dentures? The fact that he is substantially older than this woman? He is just a dude paying someone a compliment. If it came off awkward, big deal, it's live television.

What Majerus said about Ashley Judd was creepy, as fuck, and I also thought it was funny as fuck so who cares?

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175. "LoL i thought this shit was bout me for a second..."
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>one time me and my boy were down in costa rica and while we
>were split up he met some girl. he told me about her and told
>her about me as we had been traveling together. we all went to
>our respective homes. i saw her on facebook, added her and
>said hello. She approved it and said hey.


until i got to this part...

>Like two weeks later, I get a call from dude FUMING mad.


LoL i was about to say you a fuckin lie and the truth aint in ya!





But the creepyness was HOW it was said not just WHAT was said.
He went from professional to perv in 0.9 secs FLAT

  

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178. "yeah i mean to be fair i am mostly going off quotes"
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broadcast was in spanish here, obviously.

nah, me, my boy ben and spm went down to cr another time. it was ben, who is not an OKP ... just a bitch lol

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174. "a text convo i had while watching BCS championship..."
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me and my lady was watchin the game together and textin about it:

this is cali time
and right BEFORE ol boy started making them comments
*****
*****

6:57pm
His girlfriend look like a pwt with that greasy hair of hers

7:07pm
Whose girlfriend

7:11pm
Alabama's quarterback

  

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176. "if she calls herself a beauty queen, she giving you a pass to objectify ..."
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she took it like a trooper so, STFU uncle ruckus

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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177. "Musberger says fuck off"
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http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/16/bcs-brent-musburger-katherine-webb-aj-mccarron-miss-alabama-apology/
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The Mac
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179. "Catcalling? LOL this shit is hilarious"
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O_E is shutting this thread down.

Cause I'm doing better now, don't mean I never lost shit/ I was married to a state of mind and I divorced it -- Black Thought

  

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MothershipConnection
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180. "At least his girlfriend is real."
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KosherSam
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181. "goddammit, I came back here to post that, word for word"
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*Jews you*

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TRENDone
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182. "ya girl's getting Taylor Swift treatment, will cover SB for Inside Editi..."
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don't know if she's getting flown out to houston or getting paid, but she's getting airtime sb sunday on inside edition.

all from a commentator's unprofessional comments. unprofessional. nothing more, nothing less.

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Beamer6178
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184. "the sanctimonious self-righteousness in this thread is disgusting"
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a fucking beauty queen is called "beautiful" and her boyfriend's athletic standing is credited as how he got her, even though since they met on TWITTER, it's EXACTLY HOW HE GOT HER, but people are outraged.

F.A.Y.B.A.N.

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rob
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186. "nope, self righteous defense of thirsty grandpas is disgusting"
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was it appropriate? no. that could have been post 1 and we could have moved the fuck on.

he's not losing money or his job or getting threats or going to jail. he just got called out on being the old-dude-who-don't-give-a-shit that he is. and his boss said he went a little too far. boo hoo jackasses.

  

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Orbit_Established
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187. "He didn't do shit wrong. Hence, the defense. "
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>was it appropriate? no. that could have been post 1 and we
>could have moved the fuck on.

It was perfectly appropriate.

>he's not losing money or his job or getting threats or going
>to jail. he just got called out on being the
>old-dude-who-don't-give-a-shit that he is. and his boss said
>he went a little too far. boo hoo jackasses.

The OP criticized him. The OP agreed with public criticism
of him.

I don't actually give a shit, but both the OP and anyone
in the "public" who criticizes him are wrong, because he
didn't do anything wrong.

End of discussion.

  

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Binlahab
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188. "if some random old man singled your daughter/sister out"
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& made commentary abt how beautiful she was you are a lie & a half if you are saying you wouldnt feel some kinda way abt that

shit was utterly completely inappropriate

the end


do or die

  

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Orbit_Established
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189. "I stopped reading at "random old man" "
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>& made commentary abt how beautiful she was you are a lie & a
>half if you are saying you wouldnt feel some kinda way abt
>that

Bin, you don't have to keep the act up

We know that you don't actually give a quarter of one fuck

Good performance, though

  

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Amritsar
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185. "a bunch of republican OKs posters talkin feminism...how cute "
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