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"What happens to CARMELO HATE deferred? "
Sat Jan-05-13 10:36 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          


Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
or fester like a sore--
and then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load

Or does it explode?


(c) Top 5, maybe GOAT

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If they don't make the ECF, he gettin fried
Jan 05th 2013
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K
Jan 05th 2013
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That goes for any number of elite dudes
Jan 05th 2013
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lmao @ moving goal post
Jan 05th 2013
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If Melo makes the second round everyone was wrong nm.
Jan 05th 2013
^^^ THIS was the agreement BEFORE the season started
Jan 05th 2013
7
Chris Paul had a similar agreement and he needs WCF
Jan 05th 2013
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Man Atlanta is the number 3 team in the east
Jan 05th 2013
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None of this is going to make Jeremy Lin any less bad nm.
Jan 06th 2013
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      Nor Raymond Felton lol
Jan 06th 2013
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           feel better?
Jan 06th 2013
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                Never felt bad, you?
Jan 06th 2013
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I got clowned for saying the Knicks would battle for the 2 seed.
Jan 06th 2013
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      Shit's disgusting.
Jan 06th 2013
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.
Jan 05th 2013
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team melo gonna be mad when they inexplicably
Jan 05th 2013
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We aren't supposed to be top 4 nm.
Jan 05th 2013
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you were supposed to be top 4 but weren't.
Jan 05th 2013
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      This September you didn't have us hosting a playoff series.
Jan 05th 2013
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           i can't honestly say i think about such things in sept
Jan 06th 2013
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aren't you the one who thinks Parker is a better player than Melo?
Jan 06th 2013
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      i think he's as good and can be better on any given
Apr 08th 2013
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i dunno why this is disputed. ECF @ worst.
Jan 06th 2013
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Before the season, y'all were saying Brooklyn would be better.
Jan 06th 2013
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lol
Jan 06th 2013
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Well done, young perceptive individual.
Jan 06th 2013
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http://i.imgur.com/yEYJo.gif
Jan 06th 2013
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Direct from Melo
Jan 06th 2013
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@ Worst? No, just plain ECF, dude
Jan 06th 2013
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RE: i dunno why this is disputed. ECF @ worst.
Jan 06th 2013
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      you're right, he has.
Jan 06th 2013
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^^^^^sees it
Apr 08th 2013
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^^^^^sees it
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Lin balling.
Jan 06th 2013
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JR carrying them nigguhz though
Jan 06th 2013
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RE: JR carrying them nigguhz though
Jan 06th 2013
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      better shell fish: melo or king crab?
Jan 06th 2013
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           Better King: Crimson or Harley Race?
Jan 06th 2013
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                Better Crimson: Tide or Guard?
Jan 06th 2013
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unlike nas, anthony smartened up.
Jan 06th 2013
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Carmelo 2012 = better than Iverson, ever.
Jan 06th 2013
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http://i.imgur.com/K0J5I.gif
Jan 06th 2013
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damn ppl BEGGING for agenda mercy and it's not even the AS break
Jan 06th 2013
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http://tinyurl.com/aqac3pt
Jan 06th 2013
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: - )
Feb 08th 2013
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^^^^^^
Apr 05th 2013
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First player since Jordan in 91-92....
Apr 05th 2013
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you're partying off a 3 seed and, at best, a second round exit
Apr 06th 2013
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      Nah, Melo took 7 seed talent and made them a 2 seed.
Apr 06th 2013
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He hasn't won a playoff series in years
Apr 05th 2013
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Last time he had a healthy team, he went to the WC finals
Apr 06th 2013
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That was an outlier year.....dude got bounced the following year
Apr 06th 2013
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      *He* wasn't healthy the next year, Einstein.
Apr 06th 2013
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      The 2010 Nuggets were basically the Thunder swap Billups/Russ
Apr 06th 2013
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           ^^^^^
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                ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Apr 08th 2013
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They used to say that about KG too
Apr 06th 2013
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      Actually he is.
Apr 06th 2013
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           And they are a 2 seed. Wat should they be?
Apr 06th 2013
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                That's the great mystery of Carmelo hate:
Apr 06th 2013
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                     RE: That's the great mystery of Carmelo hate:
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                     Not to Mention The Injuries
Apr 06th 2013
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                          LOL
Apr 06th 2013
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                               OK Buddy
Apr 07th 2013
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third tier and lovin' it!
Apr 06th 2013
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LOL @ the gentry trying to throw stones... they LOST this agenda
Apr 06th 2013
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Cant take any poster seriously for not taking their L on this
Apr 06th 2013
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He has my MVP vote and honestly I am kinda rooting for him in
Apr 07th 2013
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dope.
Apr 07th 2013
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imo people have my opinion on him twisted, i was disappointed
Apr 08th 2013
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LOL
Apr 07th 2013
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we're talking one season, i mean of course lbj but ...
Apr 08th 2013
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      huh?
Apr 08th 2013
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           cosign...tyson clearly is carrying this team through this W streak
Apr 08th 2013
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           sweet small sample-size narrative!
Apr 08th 2013
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                that small sample size is the knicks best run of the season
Apr 08th 2013
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                     you don't even believe that.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     Melo creates his own shot, Chandler can't
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                          Guiness doesn't actually believe that dumb shit.
Apr 08th 2013
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                          lol
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                               you know what's tangible?
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                                    which i do.
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                                         oh, really....funny you only mentioned what you derived from
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                                              LOL
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                   um no, i watch the games.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                        LOL
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                                                             not addressing anything i said
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                                                                  you haven't said anything.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                                       lol how are these cliches?
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                                            why are you only talking about scoring?
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                                                                            lol i see you still refusing to answer this question
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                                                                            pathetic.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     I'm pretty sure he said Jason Kidd is better than him too, earlier in th...
Apr 08th 2013
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           Iverson was MVP when he wasn't even the 5th best player on his own team
Apr 08th 2013
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           you can always count on Ol' 40 to open up the Ether Can on Soup Can
Apr 08th 2013
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           not even close to the same situation.
Apr 08th 2013
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           because he couldn't play with any half decent offensive player
Apr 08th 2013
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           Iverson was 6th on that team in TS% and 12th in eFG%
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                lol
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                     Right after Iverson left, Nuggets went to WCF
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                          http://oi48.tinypic.com/slmrgk.jpg
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           http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9500/1243271414.gif
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           Well, there is one stat I will never look at again
Apr 08th 2013
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                lol exactly
Apr 08th 2013
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                why?
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                     if a stat is that context dependent, i'm not interested
Apr 08th 2013
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                          it's not that context-dependant.
Apr 08th 2013
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                               eh, i'd have to take a better look at it, this is the most egregious
Apr 08th 2013
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                                    do you even know what stat we're talking about?
Apr 08th 2013
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                                         yeah ive only seen it on nbageek, kind of a modified win shares
Apr 08th 2013
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           Melo wouldn't be the first 1D MVP, I think he is a top tier vol. scorer
Apr 08th 2013
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                well, he's not.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     OK so he is no. 4 or 5 and you're cutting the tier off at 3
Apr 08th 2013
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                          i'm cutting the tier at three because that's where it ends.
Apr 08th 2013
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MVP? you mean like your own personal opinion? lol
Apr 08th 2013
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      cp3 and harden are not on good enough teams, part of this is ...
Apr 08th 2013
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           cp3 has a better record and imo the knicks win streak is kinda
Apr 08th 2013
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           yeah but you have the early season too and voters love 1man shows
Apr 08th 2013
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                but guiness says chandler is their best player? I'm confused.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     i think i get the problem.
Apr 08th 2013
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                          lol what?
Apr 08th 2013
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                          so throw out the wins composite stats.
Apr 08th 2013
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                               RE: so throw out the wins composite stats.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                    right, the only relevant response is do you watch games?
Apr 08th 2013
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                          Fill a lineup with Kidds and Chandlers
Apr 08th 2013
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                               melo's a role player too.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                    RE: melo's a role player too.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                    Because players who can score 28 per game are rare
Apr 08th 2013
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                                         tyson is exceptionally rare.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                         naw, chandler's rare
Apr 08th 2013
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                                              rare is probably the wrong word choice. I'd go with valuable.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                   name another one.
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                                                   RE: name another one.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                   are you kidding me? he is extremely rare
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                        RE: are you kidding me? he is extremely rare
Apr 08th 2013
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                                                             Name me ten centers active at once clearly better
Apr 09th 2013
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           dude, come on.
Apr 08th 2013
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                more likely, not more deserving, and "vote" was the wrong word
Apr 08th 2013
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                     then give credit to tyson chandler.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     RE: more likely, not more deserving, and "vote" was the wrong ...
Apr 08th 2013
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I love all the hate my Knicks are getting lately
Apr 07th 2013
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They Were Talking
Apr 07th 2013
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      Waiting to hear the B/S Michael Kay
Apr 08th 2013
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      RE: Waiting to hear the B/S Michael Kay
Apr 08th 2013
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 08th 2013
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ball hoggin ass bitch with the worst playoff win % in 20 yrs
Apr 08th 2013
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he's had a nice season.
Apr 08th 2013
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yeah but to be fair i dont see these guys saying he is not 1D
Apr 08th 2013
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highest assist-fg% in the league
Apr 08th 2013
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      shitty shooters?
Apr 08th 2013
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      AI had the 12 best eFG% on the 2001 sixers
Apr 08th 2013
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           real talk
Apr 08th 2013
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      would you call him a playmaker though?
Apr 08th 2013
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           only one of those guys you mentioned plays F tho.
Apr 08th 2013
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           he is a wing player, i could pick out no shortage of wing players
Apr 08th 2013
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                that is true...but you'd expect all those guys to be much better
Apr 08th 2013
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                     ok, agree/disagree on dirk roughly 2005 vs melo right today?
Apr 08th 2013
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           right?
Apr 08th 2013
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           i agree.
Apr 08th 2013
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                You just responded to yourself. Hmmmm.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     he was re:ing to another post of mine, this thread is cloudy as shit
Apr 08th 2013
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                          Marion was 8th in voting for DPOY last year.
Apr 08th 2013
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                               he said he was in the same role, which is accurate
Apr 08th 2013
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                                    he's being a silly goose.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                         Um, Nowitski was the stretch 4 on that Mavs team, Einstein.
Apr 08th 2013
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                                              lol @ einstein
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           Pringles had Carmelo playing point forward.
Apr 08th 2013
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                he can operate from the top of the key, whoopty damn do
Apr 08th 2013
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                     Pringles had Carmelo playing point forward.
Apr 08th 2013
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lmao at these goalpoasts shifting
Apr 08th 2013
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      Goalpost Shifting = The Breakfast of Boxscore Champions
Apr 08th 2013
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      expecting a 2 seed to make noise in the playoffs is goal post moving?
Apr 08th 2013
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           You didn't have them in the 2 seed so you already lost nm.
Apr 08th 2013
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It chills until May
Apr 08th 2013
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LOL Who cares how much he shoots the ball? NYK is better for it
Apr 08th 2013
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OK....(stats, Melo, bullshit talk and more)...
Apr 08th 2013
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no doubt... and that's my thing. I'm fine with people saying
Apr 08th 2013
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RE: no doubt... and that's my thing. I'm fine with people saying
Apr 08th 2013
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Def...Tyson plays his role and he's great...but without melo
Apr 08th 2013
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      again.
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           I've been waiting on this answer too.
Apr 08th 2013
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                i've answered it..so have others.
Apr 08th 2013
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                     LOL
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                          lol at you getting all huffy while ignoring both posts where your
Apr 09th 2013
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                               RE: lol at you getting all huffy while ignoring both posts where your
Apr 09th 2013
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                               answer the question
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LOL
Apr 08th 2013
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      RE: LOL
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      rebound his own misses. create space on the floor for others.
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      He's light years better than Tyson in that category
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well, not to mention that SCORING IS FUCKING IMPORTANT
Apr 08th 2013
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      http://i.minus.com/ifxVk22md7Eoq.gif
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      he's a fine scorer.
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           RE: he's a fine scorer.
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           It's sad at this point.
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           the next leap in your argument, then, is that Rudy Gay > Grizzlies
Apr 08th 2013
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           fuck are you talking about
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                fuck are you talking about
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                     i'm talking about your incoherent question.
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           I never disagreed, I'm just saying that is not a scathing indictment
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                of course it is.
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                     RE: of course it is.
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http://kenseidave.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/steven_hawking.jpeg
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Basaglia
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1. "If they don't make the ECF, he gettin fried"
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2. "K"
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3. "That goes for any number of elite dudes"
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What's the purpose of all of this if he can't even do that?

James Harden can get booted early and no one will care. He new to the superstar thing.

Melo gettin fried, dude. I don't care to fry him, but I'm just warning you that he will be.

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4. "lmao @ moving goal post"
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and if Melo makes the ECF its just normal shit

i see you

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"If Melo makes the second round everyone was wrong nm."


  

          

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7. "^^^ THIS was the agreement BEFORE the season started"
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8. "Chris Paul had a similar agreement and he needs WCF"
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These aren't my personal feelings...just telling the truth as I see it.

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12. "Man Atlanta is the number 3 team in the east"
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That's not the Knicks fault but Atlanta is the number 3 team in the east...think about that. They have to make ecf.

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13. "None of this is going to make Jeremy Lin any less bad nm."
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15. "Nor Raymond Felton lol"
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Since you wanna come out of left field with some shit.

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16. "feel better?"
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18. "Never felt bad, you? "
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26. "I got clowned for saying the Knicks would battle for the 2 seed."
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Now thy gotta make the ECF.
WOW.

  

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31. "Shit's disgusting."
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All this post is missing is Sev's disingenuous bs.

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5. "."
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6. "team melo gonna be mad when they inexplicably"
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aren't even the second best team in the east come playoffs

  

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9. "We aren't supposed to be top 4 nm."
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10. "you were supposed to be top 4 but weren't. "
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that's different than not supposed to be top 4.

  

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11. "This September you didn't have us hosting a playoff series."
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Don't lie.

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24. "i can't honestly say i think about such things in sept"
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but if did, why wouldn't i? who the fuck is in the east besides miami?

  

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32. "aren't you the one who thinks Parker is a better player than Melo? "
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188. "i think he's as good and can be better on any given"
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which is, you know, true.

  

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19. "i dunno why this is disputed. ECF @ worst."
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all the other top 5 '03 guys got rings 3 of em are CAA buddies and Team USA buddies. He's never been out of the 2nd round, the team has moved heaven and earth to accommodate his talents.

In what world is ECF as success barometer even arguable?

Heavy is the head and he's K.O.N.Y.

  

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Orbit_Established
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20. "Before the season, y'all were saying Brooklyn would be better. "
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>all the other top 5 '03 guys got rings 3 of em are CAA
>buddies and Team USA buddies. He's never been out of the 2nd
>round, the team has moved heaven and earth to accommodate his
>talents.
>
>In what world is ECF as success barometer even arguable?
>
>Heavy is the head and he's K.O.N.Y.


Now its ECF or bust.


Its laughable.




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21. "lol "
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it's ECF or bust now but before that, even winning the Atlantic was considered a joke :

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2052871&mesg_id=2052871&listing_type=search#2052886

goal posts have been moved to another continent

>>all the other top 5 '03 guys got rings 3 of em are CAA
>>buddies and Team USA buddies. He's never been out of the 2nd
>>round, the team has moved heaven and earth to accommodate
>his
>>talents.
>>
>>In what world is ECF as success barometer even arguable?
>>
>>Heavy is the head and he's K.O.N.Y.
>
>
>Now its ECF or bust.
>
>
>Its laughable.
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>
>Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it
>you? http://MatchShannon.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
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>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

  

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23. "Well done, young perceptive individual."
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May the most high bless you with a pretty dope
Sunday.


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25. "http://i.imgur.com/yEYJo.gif"
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>it's ECF or bust now but before that, even winning the
>Atlantic was considered a joke :
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2052871&mesg_id=2052871&listing_type=search#2052886
>
>goal posts have been moved to another continent
>
>>>all the other top 5 '03 guys got rings 3 of em are CAA
>>>buddies and Team USA buddies. He's never been out of the
>2nd
>>>round, the team has moved heaven and earth to accommodate
>>his
>>>talents.
>>>
>>>In what world is ECF as success barometer even arguable?
>>>
>>>Heavy is the head and he's K.O.N.Y.
>>
>>
>>Now its ECF or bust.
>>
>>
>>Its laughable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------------------------
>>
>>Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is
>it
>>you? http://MatchShannon.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>>
>>(C)Keith Murray, "
>


http://i.imgur.com/yEYJo.gif

  

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37. "Direct from Melo"
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/24/carmelo-anthony-says-anything-less-than-a-trip-to-the-eastern-conference-finals-would-be-unacceptable/

In an excerpt of SportsCenter’s Sunday Conversation, Smith asks Anthony what he thinks would constitute a successful season.

“Winning the division, getting out of the first round, getting to the Eastern Conference finals,” Anthony says. “I don’t see anything less than that.”

He adds that anything less than a trip to the conference finals is unacceptable.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “I’ll sit here and tell you right now, it’s unacceptable. With the guys we have, with the team we have, with the roster that we have, it’s unacceptable,” he says. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

  

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27. "@ Worst? No, just plain ECF, dude"
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If the East were shit, I might have settled for a good showing in the second round. As it stands, yes, ECF or bust but it's not a minimum, it's the threshold.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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28. "RE: i dunno why this is disputed. ECF @ worst."
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>all the other top 5 '03 guys got rings 3 of em are CAA
>buddies and Team USA buddies. He's never been out of the 2nd
>round,

He's been to the WCF.

  

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38. "you're right, he has."
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>He's been to the WCF.

dunno why I McGrady'd him. I should remember that WCF cause it had one of my all-time favorite quotes.

Kobe on JR talking shit

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."

  

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192. "^^^^^sees it"
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Just goes to show how desperate Knick fans are when they're biggin up Melo because he has put together a nice stretch of gms offensively...

This is maybe his best season thus far (defnitely scoring wise) and he's still not crackin *1st* team All-NBA over Bron and Durant

And lastly, everybody got em penciled in the ECF, but don't SLEEP on that 1st rd series vs the C's.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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193. "^^^^^sees it"
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Just goes to show how desperate Knick fans are to have a contending team when they're biggin up Melo because he has put together a nice stretch of gms offensively...

This is maybe his best season thus far (defnitely scoring wise) and he's still not crackin *1st* team All-NBA over Bron and Durant

And lastly, everybody got em penciled in the ECF, but don't SLEEP on that 1st rd series vs the C's.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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14. "Lin balling."
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Harden on that souffle.

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But hell, what do I know?

  

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17. "JR carrying them nigguhz though"
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carmelo still shell fish, he still doesn't pass when he should, he's still an offensive foul waiting to happen, but he is also a top 3-5 player in the league.

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22. "RE: JR carrying them nigguhz though"
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>carmelo still shell fish, he still doesn't pass when he
>should, he's still an offensive foul waiting to happen, but he
>is also a top 3-5 player in the league.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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30. "better shell fish: melo or king crab?"
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33. "Better King: Crimson or Harley Race?"
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34. "Better Crimson: Tide or Guard? "
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29. "unlike nas, anthony smartened up."
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he's taking more threes and has jacked up his TS% accordingly. he's not a viable MVP candidate because of the existence of three better players on three better teams, but he's having an excellent season.

i'd caution that the mythology of him becoming "unselfish" is wildly misguided though: melo's leading the entire NBA in usage rate while averaging a career-low in assists. considering his great scoring numbers, i'm not saying he SHOULD pass more, just pointing out that he actually hasn't been. anthony is doing what he's best at (scoring) and leaving the distribution duties to the PGs. such compartmentalization has worked out perfectly for everyone.

  

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36. "Carmelo 2012 = better than Iverson, ever. "
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Yup.

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35. "http://i.imgur.com/K0J5I.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/K0J5I.gif

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39. "damn ppl BEGGING for agenda mercy and it's not even the AS break"
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yet
wtf
at least pretend to have faith in your dudes until the playoffs start or something
my goodness

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40. "http://tinyurl.com/aqac3pt"
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http://tinyurl.com/aqac3pt

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(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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41. ": - ) "
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42. "^^^^^^"
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43. "First player since Jordan in 91-92...."
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To average 40 in 3 straight games, shooting 60%

Not bad for someone who isn't a better shooter
than Shawn Marion

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47. "you're partying off a 3 seed and, at best, a second round exit"
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for a guy who's won one playoff series and got one patch.

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50. "Nah, Melo took 7 seed talent and made them a 2 seed. "
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He's been pretty great this year.

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44. "He hasn't won a playoff series in years"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

  

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45. "Last time he had a healthy team, he went to the WC finals"
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Took the eventual champions to 6 games

I'd be mad if was you too

  

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46. "That was an outlier year.....dude got bounced the following year"
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.....When the Nuggets had home court. WHY?...Melo was gunning & not making his teammate better.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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49. "*He* wasn't healthy the next year, Einstein. "
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Chill out, you're doing too much


  

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54. "The 2010 Nuggets were basically the Thunder swap Billups/Russ"
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Johan Petro was their useless starting center. Kenyon Martin and Chris Andersen logged major minutes rendering them fairly useless offensively in the paint. Joey Graham was still tricking people into thinking he knew what he was doing. Not having Nene or Kleiza really changed that team.


And go back and look at the 2009 series with the Lakers. That was a competitive series all the way to the end, especially those first 4 games when the series was 2-2. But Melo got hurt and couldn't overcome it, then they got the Kobe-Pau-Odom special in Game 6, with Phantom Ariza thrown in for good measure.


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"I don't read pages of rap lyrics, I listen to rap music." © Bombastic
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55. "^^^^^"
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>Johan Petro was their useless starting center. Kenyon Martin
>and Chris Andersen logged major minutes rendering them fairly
>useless offensively in the paint. Joey Graham was still
>tricking people into thinking he knew what he was doing. Not
>having Nene or Kleiza really changed that team.
>
>
>And go back and look at the 2009 series with the Lakers. That
>was a competitive series all the way to the end, especially
>those first 4 games when the series was 2-2. But Melo got hurt
>and couldn't overcome it, then they got the Kobe-Pau-Odom
>special in Game 6, with Phantom Ariza thrown in for good
>measure.

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182. "^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^"
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~~~~~~~~~
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48. "They used to say that about KG too"
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Melo ain't the GM.

  

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51. "Actually he is."
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>Melo ain't the GM.

By forcing his way to NY, the team that's in place has a lot to do with him.

https://digife.com

  

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52. "And they are a 2 seed. Wat should they be?"
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The last 2 years he was in the playoffs with multiple injuries to his team. You can't blame that on melo.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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53. "That's the great mystery of Carmelo hate: "
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>The last 2 years he was in the playoffs with multiple
>injuries to his team. You can't blame that on melo.

Everyone has shit to say, but nobody can honestly
say that any of his teams have underperformed. None
of them.

EVER.

Like, none of his teams were supposed to be better than
they were.

The Nuggets have been to the WC finals ONCE in a zillion
years. That was Melo's team.

Allegedly the Nuggets "won" that trade, and they probably
won't get as far as the 09 Nugs. So this 2013 Nugs isn't
as good as the Nugs team wit Carmelo on it.

And the Knicks are EONS better with Carmelo than without
him.

The Knicks are a TWO SEED in the East. Nobody expected
that.

If anything, his teams EXCEED expectations.




  

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56. "RE: That's the great mystery of Carmelo hate: "
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I'm not a Knicks fan, but I respect Melo....

And I pretty much agree with u...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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58. "Not to Mention The Injuries"
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At one point the entire frontline was hurt. His 2nd best scorer is JR Smith (I mean, damn)

And JR Smith's been balling (credit to Woodson), but to get to a division title with JR Smith as your robin is pretty remarkable

  

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60. "LOL"
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the amount of disrespect knicks fans have for the team's best player never ceases to be entertaining.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=368

  

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64. "OK Buddy"
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57. "third tier and lovin' it!"
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59. "LOL @ the gentry trying to throw stones... they LOST this agenda"
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61. "Cant take any poster seriously for not taking their L on this"
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You can wait for playoffs to regain position. But RIGHT NOW, with what Melo did in the regular season there should be a lunch line full of posters ready to accept a ladle full of L's upon their soup bowls.

  

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62. "He has my MVP vote and honestly I am kinda rooting for him in"
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them 'offs.

L accepted, the guy is a franchise player without qualification or equivocation.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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66. "dope."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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69. "imo people have my opinion on him twisted, i was disappointed"
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going way back to when i was first on the board (03-04 season start), i was team melo for sure. but i was very disappointed in his attitude as a pro, one of these guys i thought would "get it" early on and it didn't happen. i still have some reservations about him being a championship player (with because of, not with type of dude), but for any player that's a difficult level not only to reach but to prove. it seems like every time he's coming off an olympics, he has a big season with a lot of team success.

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67. "LOL"
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68. "we're talking one season, i mean of course lbj but ..."
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let's face it, he has racked up a big number in a short time and they don't favor repeat mvps to begin with in the last 20 or so years.

i had my vote going to paul earlier in the year, seems like he hit a little lull and his team followed suit.

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72. "huh?"
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so melo is your MVP, based on a theory that "they" don't like repeat MVPs? melo isn't even the best player on his own team.

  

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73. "cosign...tyson clearly is carrying this team through this W streak"
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so what he missed about 8 of the wins...Where would they be without his 6 points and 5 rebounds during this stretch?


>so melo is your MVP, based on a theory that "they" don't like repeat MVPs? melo isn't even the best player on his own team.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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74. "sweet small sample-size narrative!"
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carmelo is not mysterious. he's a versatile, second-tier volume scorer who's average or below average at everything else. yeah, i like making fun of his fat face, but would happily give him credit (as i have for boosting his efficiency by taking more threes this season) if he had changed any part of his game whatsoever.

same iffy shot selection, same sky-high usage with a similar assist rate to brook lopez, same lack of steals/blocks on defense. i mean, for all the hand-jobs people are giving him for his performance against OKC--which was very good--his TS% for that game was still below what bron, KD and harden have put up for the entire season. and he shot less efficiently than about six of his teammates.

  

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75. "that small sample size is the knicks best run of the season"
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lol @ dismissing it.

You tryna prop tyson as being better based on advanced stats is as much as an L as people who dismiss advanced stats altogether.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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76. "you don't even believe that."
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so, in a 82-game season, you want to take carmelo being hot for two weeks and spin it into how he's some elite force? can you tell me what exactly he does well besides take a ton of shots and score at an above average rate (far below harden, bron, KD, parker and paul).

because i can tell you how chandler is the most efficient scorer in the entire NBA, how's he's third in the NBA in offensive rebound rate, how he's eighth in the NBA in total rebound rate, how he has the best offensive rating in the NBA, how he leads in the knicks in WS and WS/48 and how he anchors the team's defense, allowing them to put a bunch of offensive players like melo, amare, prig, kidd and novak on the floor at the same time.

what, exactly, does carmelo do to make the knicks good besides fling up 30 shots a game?

  

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78. "Melo creates his own shot, Chandler can't"
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Melo can carry a team of subpar players to the playoffs, Chandler can't.
Melo is the guy that opposing teams focus on stopping, Chandler ain't.
Melo is clearly the best player on the knicks every game.
Chandler is somewhere between the 2nd and 5th depending on the contributions from JR, Felton, Kidd etc.

damn, melo's even outrebounded chandler every game since chandler been back too lolol.

You are stating to make a case for Melo being MVP...knicks are a 25-30 win team without melo.

thanks guinny.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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79. "Guiness doesn't actually believe that dumb shit. "
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>Melo can carry a team of subpar players to the playoffs,
>Chandler can't.
>Melo is the guy that opposing teams focus on stopping,
>Chandler ain't.
>Melo is clearly the best player on the knicks every game.
>Chandler is somewhere between the 2nd and 5th depending on the
>contributions from JR, Felton, Kidd etc.
>
>damn, melo's even outrebounded chandler every game since
>chandler been back too lolol.
>
>You are stating to make a case for Melo being MVP...knicks are
>a 25-30 win team without melo.
>
>thanks guinny.


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80. "lol"
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you can't even come up with anything tangible. oh THEY WANT TO STOP HIM and HE CARRIES A TEAM. thanks for the insight.

he's average or below at everything except scoring, and has a TS% of 56%. these are facts.

you can't say he's an amazingly efficient scorer
you can't say he's a good defender
you can't say he's an above average rebounder
you can't say he set teammates up for baskets (he's literally the most selfish player in the NBA, by usage rate -- especially when you bring in his comical assist rate).

and LOL at JR, felton and copeland not being able to create their own shot. do better, dunny.

  

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81. "you know what's tangible?"
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watching the games.

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/basketball_news/2012/12/knicks__carmelo_anthony_celebrate_N2.jpg

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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82. "which i do."
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next?

also, what an embarrassing way for you to bail on a discussion.

  

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83. "oh, really....funny you only mentioned what you derived from "
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stats not anything you see from actual games.

Btw, since we know you think Melo is a 3rd tier player..where does that put chandler 1st or 2nd?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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84. "LOL"
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so "no stats matter except for total number of points scored" is the main part of comprehending how valuable melo is? smart stuff.

so it's not what he actually contributes, but the silky-smooth versatility with which he plays the game. melo just looks like such a good player, you gotta ignore the real numbers!

dog, you can't even explain to me outside of cliches how he's good at ANYTHING besides being a volume scorer. somehow, there are all these "advanced" numbers that support players like bron, durant, harden, paul, parker, etc. but magically, none of them are there for melo. why is that? seriously, can you even venture a guess?

chandler is second-tier.

  

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85. "um no, i watch the games."
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>so "no stats matter except for total number of point scored"
>is the main part of comprehending how valuable melo is? smart
>stuff.

I watch melo create his own scoring opportunities and i watch Chandler set picks and cut to the basket and wait for jr, melo or felton to find him for an open dunk or lob.

>
>chandler is second-tier.
>

lol so chandler is in the same class as dirk, wade, westbrook and harden.

haha

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86. "LOL"
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TYSAN CHANDLAR CANT BE GOOD ,BECUASE HE DOSNT SCORE LOT'S OF POINTS LOL

MELO MVP MVPO VMPV

ALSO VERRY UNFAIR HOW STAT NERDS RIGGED SISTEM TO REWARD LEBRAN, DURAMT, HARDON, AND KRIS POL BUT TO EXCLUD CARMALO!!!!! SO MAAAAAD

  

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87. "not addressing anything i said"
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>also, what an embarrassing way for you to bail on a discussion.

smh.

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88. "you haven't said anything."
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"creates his own scoring opportunities"
"carries a team"
"is game-planned for"
"you can see he's the best player on the court"
"i watch the games'

all cliches. again, you can't claim he's a mega-efficient scorer, you can't claim he sets up teammates, you can't claim he's a great rebounder, you can't claim he's a good defender. so what is he, in your mind? what is he good at outside of scoring?

and if this is all so obvious, why aren't there numbers to support his value? there are numbers that support every other elite player, but, somehow, not melo. is it a vast conspiracy?

  

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89. "lol how are these cliches?"
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Does melo create his own scoring opportunities or doesn't he?
Does Chandler?

If Chandler is such an efficient scorer, why does he only shoot the ball 6x a game? I mean if he's so great on offense, why haven't any coaches designed ways for him to get more than 6 shots a game? Is there a stat that answers that question?

Are there any other stat geek on this site or online or in the booth or in a suit or anywhere that supports this notion that Chandler is better than melo?

lol you keep bringing up durant, lebron etc. but this conversation is about how you claim that Chandler is better than Melo.

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90. "why are you only talking about scoring?"
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this isn't a game of HORSE we're talking about. and EVERY stat-head knows chandler contributes far more than melo.

as i've repeatedly said, melo isn't good at ANYTHING except being an above-average volume scorer. even you, his staunch supporter, haven't pointed out anything he's statistically good at.

note: carmelo is included in "rest of team."

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk

to put melo's impact in perspective:

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/okc
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/hou
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/mia

  

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92. "lol i see you still refusing to answer this question"
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Does Melo create his own scoring opportunities or doesn't he?
Does Chandler?

You keep touting Chandler as the most efficient scorer in the league, so common sense says he should be shooting the most shots in the nba, unless efficiency is a meaningless stat? Which is it?

All those links do is show the problem of looking at stats in a bubble, which is what you are doing. Again, can you find anyone that agrees with your premise that chandler is better than melo.

Why do I keep bringing up scoring? Because Melo is lightyears better at scoring than Chandler is. There is nothing that Chandler does better than melo that compares to the scoring advantage that Melo has.

Rebounding - no
defense - no
passing - no
interior shooting - no
perimeter shooting - no
free throw shooting - jno
etc. - no

I've got some work to do...thanks for touting the MeloVP campaign though. Dudes go so far to discredit melo that they made Chandler a 2nd tier player lol

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95. "pathetic."
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103. "I'm pretty sure he said Jason Kidd is better than him too, earlier in th..."
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91. "Iverson was MVP when he wasn't even the 5th best player on his own team "
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http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/phi?season=2000

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93. "you can always count on Ol' 40 to open up the Ether Can on Soup Can"
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94. "not even close to the same situation."
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the knicks roster is flooded with good offensive players. GOAT had shitty efficiency because he was paired in a starting lineup with ratliff, tyrone, lynch, snow.

then you can suck on this:

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/den?season=2007

  

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105. "because he couldn't play with any half decent offensive player"
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Stackhouse, Hughes, Thomas, Van Horn.....they all played better when they weren't on that little chucker's team.

  

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106. "Iverson was 6th on that team in TS% and 12th in eFG%"
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AI had shitty efficiency because he was a shittily inefficient volume scorer.


>then you can suck on this:
>
>http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/den?season=2007

on what, Marcus Camby being better than Iverson?

you can suck on this though:

http://masonslaterdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ept_sports_nba_experts-449541756-1240844092.jpg

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121. "lol"
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during GOAT's full season in denver, while in his 30s and on the downside of his career, he had a TS% equal to the best that melo ever put up and better than any of kobe's seasons except one.

you can keep pretending that didn't happen.

  

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142. "Right after Iverson left, Nuggets went to WCF "
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>during GOAT's full season in denver, while in his 30s and on
>the downside of his career, he had a TS% equal to the best
>that melo ever put up and better than any of kobe's seasons
>except one.
>
>you can keep pretending that didn't happen.

You can keep pretending that didn't happen.

They were better without him.

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177. "http://oi48.tinypic.com/slmrgk.jpg"
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>You can keep pretending that didn't happen.
>
>They were better without him.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/slmrgk.jpg

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99. "Well, there is one stat I will never look at again"
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Why were we wasting so much time building around Iverson when the REAL CORNERSTONES were George Lynch, Tyrone Hill and Jumaine Jones!!!!

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100. "lol exactly"
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RE: Well, there is one stat I will never look at again

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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104. "why?"
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of course stats need context. duh.

it's easy to understand was GOAT had less "wins" -- he shot an average TS percentage and turned the ball over a lot. his efficiency was sacrificed so that the sixers could fill the floor with rebounders and defenders who had minimal offensive talent. they had the 13th ranked offense and the 5th ranked defense.

and even so, he had three times the amount that melo has this season. and melo is most definitely not in a situation where they're surrounding him with defensive players are forcing him to carry the entire burden of the offense. it's actually the exact opposite.

  

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108. "if a stat is that context dependent, i'm not interested"
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having watched literally every single game that season from start to finish, i didn't feel that was even close to reflective of the actual contributions of the players on the roster.

this is not the first time i've noticed that kind of discord.

i am not going to get overly attached to these early generation metrics, even as a casual observer i understand that the stuff the teams have developed is probably much better than the common ones out there today. it is still a work in progress.

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111. "it's not that context-dependant."
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the GOAT on the sixers was a particularly unique situation where the strategy (as larry brown has specifically said) was to have him take all the shots and to draw defenders away from the offensive glass. overall, his TS% was about average, because he went to the line so much. this let the sixers have an average offense and an elite defense because of the other guys on the floor.

but that's an exceedingly rare strategy, and not one that any team in the NBA currently employs. writing off a stat as entirely worthless because it doesn't account for an easily-understandable aberration is silly.

at any rate, melo has been good this year. my point is just that he's not actually above average at anything besides volume scoring, and hasn't *proven* whatever most people in this post seem to be claiming. he's exactly the same, except he shoots more threes. that's it.

  

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114. "eh, i'd have to take a better look at it, this is the most egregious"
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but not the first time i've given it the side eye.

there are some things that can't really be quantified and still more that haven't been effectively yet IMO.

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115. "do you even know what stat we're talking about?"
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it's just one dude's composite stat. PER is different, win shares is different. i'm not using it as anything other than a rough yardstick.

  

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127. "yeah ive only seen it on nbageek, kind of a modified win shares"
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unlike WS/DWS, i dont fully understand it but the results havent impressed me enough to bother.

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97. "Melo wouldn't be the first 1D MVP, I think he is a top tier vol. scorer"
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He has poured it on at various times this season, definitely his best individual campaign.

Obviously I'm not going to make an argument for him over Bron on merit. At this point, as long as LBJ plays 65+ games, he can be penciled in as the MVP but like I said I think he will be a victim of the bias against too many repeat winners.

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98. "well, he's not."
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the top volume scorers are KD, bron and harden. the next tier are guys like melo, kobe, curry, wade, lopez. this isn't something that's debatable.

  

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101. "OK so he is no. 4 or 5 and you're cutting the tier off at 3"
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When I think of "volume scorer" I also think of "volume shooter," which neither Durant or LeBron is. So I was not even putting them in the discussion. With them there, they comprise the entire first tier to me and if it's being expanded to more guys, yes, I think Melo is there. Much more efficient scoring the ball than Kobe, for example, and scores in more areas than Curry.

I've got him right there with your boy Harden. You're really flailing in this thread to discredit a guy who's had a very fine season. Carry on.

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102. "i'm cutting the tier at three because that's where it ends."
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those three guys, out of players who shoot a lot, are head and shoulders above the rest (60% TS or above). parker and paul are up in that region too, they just shoot less. melo and the other dudes i named are scorers in the 55-57% TS range.

  

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107. "MVP? you mean like your own personal opinion? lol"
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i'd be VERY surprised if dudes finishes in the top 3 (bron, durant,TFT)
or even the top 5 really cause CP3 and Harden should get more votes than him imo
the media is very what have you done for me lately so maybe this lil late season run will be enough to get him votes
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109. "cp3 and harden are not on good enough teams, part of this is ..."
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the lame way that the nba excludes guys from competing but yes bron, durant, tft, sure, all have a good shot at finishing ahead. i'd certainly want any of them on my team over melo, but as far as the campaigns they have had and their import as one guy? i am not so sure.

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112. "cp3 has a better record and imo the knicks win streak is kinda"
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overhyped. and that's the reason for the recent melo hype
looking at it though it's comprised of like 70% shit teams
boston twice, toronto twice, bobcats, magic, jazz, the heat without bron or wade, the bucks
10+ games is 10+ games i guess
but it's not even the 2nd most impressive win streak over the last two months if we wanna be real


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119. "yeah but you have the early season too and voters love 1man shows"
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not to say that the knicks dont have depth but where lebron has wade, kd has russy, t5t has (on some nights) a loaded ass roster, etc, melo is their top option and it's not really close.


again i am not going to the mat on this one, i was making an effort to place nice for once and obviously it does not suit me!

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122. "but guiness says chandler is their best player? I'm confused."
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and earlier it was kidd.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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126. "i think i get the problem."
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you're confusing "best player" with "player who contributes the most to winning games." yes, carmelo is the best basketball player on the knicks if we're talking about diverse abilities and a one-on-one competition.

kidd has been spectacular this season - because of what's he's actually DONE. not because he's a better basketball player than melo in some grand sense. he has a 3:1 assist/turnover ratio, an above average TS%, a rebounding rate roughly the same as melo's from the PG position and he's top five in the league in steals rate. early in the season, he was shooting the lights out, but those numbers have gone down.

the issue with melo is that he's only good at one thing. and while it's fun to watch him drop 36 points on 29 shots in a variety of ways, what he generally contributes to winning games isn't as statistically important as what chandler has done all season and what kidd was doing early on.

  

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130. "lol what?"
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no one is talking about 1 on 1. You feel like a Chandler and Kidd are better than Melo and contribute to more wins than melo. Therefore Melo is the 3rd best player on their team...according to you. Actually the stat you posted above had melo somehwere like 5th or 6th. Similar to the finals season AI had in philly.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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134. "so throw out the wins composite stats."
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as i said, i was just using it as a rough indicator of contribution. so ignore.

just tell me, using numbers, what melo does well besides score a lot of points on 56% TS.

i've been very explicit about what kidd and chandler have done this season, and how they're among the league leaders in categories like offensive rebounding, steals, TS%, etc.

the problem is the fact for all of melo's visible basketball brilliance, he's only above average in one category, and not even by enough to make him mega-valuable. the major reason is that he takes 40% of his shots from midrange, a place where he scores less per attempt than from three or near the basket. during the recent hot streak, he's actually taking MORE midrange (45%) and making a higher percentage. the bad news is that it's not sustainable and reinforcing a bad habit.

lebron shoots 30% of his shots from midrange
durant shoots 35% of his shots from midrange
harden shoots 17% of his shots from midrange

this is not a coincidence. melo is good at one thing, and sabotages his elite ability at that task with poor shot selection. his recent hot streak is not the result of changing the way he plays, either.

  

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143. "RE: so throw out the wins composite stats."
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I'm all for utilizing stats....But your continued narrative about Tyson being the best player on that team is when stat-dissection goes completely wrong...And quite silly...

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149. "right, the only relevant response is do you watch games?"
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132. "Fill a lineup with Kidds and Chandlers"
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And you've got a team that won't crack 60 points a night or win any games. Role players.

  

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147. "melo's a role player too."
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his role is taking a lot of shots. fans just view taking shots as more valuable than rebounding or defending.

  

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148. "RE: melo's a role player too."
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>his role is taking a lot of shots. fans just view taking
>shots as more valuable than rebounding or defending.


Great punchline....28 and 7 bounds a game (6.6) and showing a serious commitment to defense says differently...The dude ain't locking down anyone...But he's certainly not looking foolish on the other side of the ball...

U seem to be living in the past when it comes to Melo...

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151. "Because players who can score 28 per game are rare"
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Tyson Chandler, while a good player, is not rare. That's why he's played for 5 teams.

  

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153. "tyson is exceptionally rare."
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he's leading the league in TS% for the third year in a row. that's not normal. he's top ten in rebounding rate. again, not normal. he's a top three defensive center. not normal. he's top ten in the nba in WS/48 for the third year in a row. take a guess -- is that normal?

can you name one equivalent center, other than dwight howard?

because i can name ten volume scorers who are more or equivalently efficient as melo, but are better at other shit too. carmelo has a very rare skill set in terms of scoring, but the bottom line is what he actually contributes isn't as tough to find as what chandler brings to the table.

  

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154. "naw, chandler's rare"
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>Tyson Chandler, while a good player, is not rare. That's why
>he's played for 5 teams.

he got drafted out of high school and needed time to become what he is. but he's rare. cmon.

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158. "rare is probably the wrong word choice. I'd go with valuable."
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160. "name another one."
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164. "RE: name another one."
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U can't....because defensive minded centers have become an endangered species....Hell, the center position has become almost obsolete...

But in the 70's, 80s, 90's and early 00's, defensive minded centers grew on trees....

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162. "are you kidding me? he is extremely rare"
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that is why i thought he was such a great addition for the mavs, although i admit i thought they made it too late and, when they let him go, i figured his knicks tenure would be muddied by injury (mavs are not great evaluating that, i guess, lol him and nash were both guys they got wrong).

how many other players in the league are like him? deandre jordan is sort of an amped up and dummied down version of him, i guess.

i dont even agree with chandler being described below as "a role player." role players don't make $15M a year and win DPOY.

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170. "RE: are you kidding me? he is extremely rare"
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>how many other players in the league are like him? deandre
>jordan is sort of an amped up and dummied down version of him,
>i guess.
>
>i dont even agree with chandler being described below as "a
>role player." role players don't make $15M a year and win
>DPOY.


But isn't that by default though?

Tyson has become a commodity because centers (beyond Howard and a few others) have become an antiquated position...

Basically, Tyson if he played in the era when centers were still running shit (90s) would find it hard to be in the top 10 in that era...

All that to say, Tyson deserves his props....

I just think people are balking at the silly statement that he's better than Anthony....As is, Chandler doesn't deserve any shade to his game...

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194. "Name me ten centers active at once clearly better"
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Let's say Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Deke, well OK, after that you're getting into imports with limited athletic ability that would make him equally singular as an ATHLETIC 7 footer and probably weren't really "better" all around. I will even GIVE you Rik Smits, Vlade and Sabonis. Now we are at eight guys and I am kind of stretching to put them all close to their primes together, too.

I guess what I am saying is that Chandler is a very good player, a very valuable player, a real all star, a real DPOY and regardless of whether or not he could guard Wilt Chamberlain, you want him on your team right today because he will win you games.

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113. "dude, come on."
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what's this mealy-mouthed shit? are you saying you think melo deserves MVP over CP3 or harden? or are you saying that he's more likely to get votes from other people?

first you said he's your MVP. that's an insane, indefensible position, and one that you're now crawling away from.

  

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116. "more likely, not more deserving, and "vote" was the wrong word"
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"pick" would be more like it.

i can see arguments against it even as a pick but i am sticking with it.

are people seriously thinking i would rather have him as a PLAYER over bron, durant, paul and t5t? or even harden?

maybe i have overextended myself in making a concession to knicks fans here, i am just trying to give credit where it's due though.

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120. "then give credit to tyson chandler."
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146. "RE: more likely, not more deserving, and &quot;vote&quot; was the wrong ..."
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U shouldn't take any of that back, homie...U were on the right path....

To me it's still shocking that people don't understand what MVP means....It has nothing to do who is the best player in the league...It's about impact on a team's success AND dominant play...

In fact, the only reason Bron is getting MVP again this season is because dude stat wise/game wise has pulled off some pretty remarkable feats....Not to mention he was carrying Wade for the first half of the season and was at times a one man wrecking crew especially on the defensive side...

But...it's quite simple....Melo should be in the discussion for MVP...He is basically the one player on the Knicks u have to double team....He carries that team offensively and is playing out of his position and still manages to dominate...He's certainly more dedicated to rebounding and playing D...Melo has no Westbrook...Which is why I would pick him before Durant (this season) given the emergence of Russy (I have my issues with some of his decision making...But he's a game-changer)....

This is the way it should go down in the voting...

Bron
CP3
Melo


Again...this ^^^^is not blasphemous.....Unless u r being unreasonable...

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63. "I love all the hate my Knicks are getting lately"
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We're doing something right. They wasn't even talking about us a few years ago. Lovin it.

  

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65. "They Were Talking"
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Unfortunately for us Knicks fans, we couldn't say shit
The talk is still there, but now it seems just dumb

  

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70. "Waiting to hear the B/S Michael Kay "
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is gonna spew this afternoon...

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77. "RE: Waiting to hear the B/S Michael Kay "
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>is gonna spew this afternoon...


I thought Kay was backing up Melo...He's the one that was shitting on dumb ass Knick fans who were talking about trading Melo next season...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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71. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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One Hundred.

  

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110. "ball hoggin ass bitch with the worst playoff win % in 20 yrs"
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remember i made knick fans cry last year wit this single link...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303916904577373974101773782.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

he scoring alot lately but his ball hoggin metric is over 4 pts higher than russy and kobe....i mean damn
and his defensive rating is one of the worst among elite players, smh
basically he's having a good year for carmelo anthony
but compared to his elite peers...namely durant and bron it really ain't SHIT
and i'm sick of ppl acting like we posed to be impressed by this corny ass nigga who can't even fucking get out the 1st round consistently (or twice for that matter bwhahahaha)
this year the knicks gotta make it to the finals imo
2nd round or losing to the heat in 5 games in the ECF is NOT enough

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117. "he's had a nice season."
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but even his most feverish supporters can't even specifically say what he's good at besides being a second-tier volume scorer.

not good on defense
below average assists
lousy assist/turnover ratio
highest usage rate in the nba
average rebounder
below average at block and steals

can someone just explain what he actually does besides take a lot of shots?

  

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123. "yeah but to be fair i dont see these guys saying he is not 1D"
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he is as one dimensional as any star in recent memory, i'd argue more so than nowitzki was (who, of course, was fried by many of these same posters).

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125. "highest assist-fg% in the league"
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For TWO seasons in a row

Its a measure of effective passing.

He plays with shitty shooters, so his assist
numbers aren't great. So he make intelligent
passes that lead to buckets.

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128. "shitty shooters?"
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melo has the 9th best eFG% on the knicks.

i give him credit for being effective as a passer -- he just doesn't pass much. i'm not even saying he needs to pass more, either. he's scoring well this season.

not so tangentially, the knicks have the lowest assists/basket in the NBA.

  

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133. "AI had the 12 best eFG% on the 2001 sixers"
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yet according to you he had to take all the shots because his teammates couldn't shoot.

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135. "real talk"
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i would have given anything for GOAT to play in d'antoni's offense, surrounded by shooters. the sixers didn't even have another starter who could make a jumper. a spread PNR offense with AI in the middle would have been the greatest show on earth.

  

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129. "would you call him a playmaker though?"
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Bron, Harden, Ginobili, Paul, T5T, Kobe, Russy and plenty of other balanced or scoring oriented players who score a lot are all guys I'd consider clearly better playmakers.

If you have the ball in your hands a lot, you are going to make some good passes. You should be making a TON of good passes though.

To say he plays with "shitty shooters" makes me question not only if you watch your own team but if you even watch highlights. Their proficiency from outside was a huge reason for their first half success.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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131. "only one of those guys you mentioned plays F tho. "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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144. "he is a wing player, i could pick out no shortage of wing players"
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2s or 3s, matters not.

dude plays durant's game, only much worse with less defense.

i am saying he is a legit star, not THAT legit of a star.

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150. "that is true...but you'd expect all those guys to be much better"
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passers because they are guards except lebron who is Lebron.

I agree with Durant being better, but Durant also plays on a better team and his robin is better than any robin Melo's ever had.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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157. "ok, agree/disagree on dirk roughly 2005 vs melo right today?"
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similar contributions?

that's hardly a knock, i was a dirk defender then and he won a conference title right after that and an nba title later.

i am just saying, the guy is a scorer and the other parts of the game inspire indifference in him, with the exception of sagging off for some boards.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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136. "right?"
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these "shitty shooters" are second in the NBA in most 3s made and sixth in 3pt percentage

  

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137. "i agree."
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he's basically dirk, except not as efficient a scorer. and the knicks' playoff hopes are reliant on melo replicating dirk's playoff brilliance of two years ago (where he scored at a rate far over his career average for two months). the knicks are build around that gamble, right down to surrounding melo with dirk's center and PG (with JR as JT and kenyon in marion's role as a big mobile defender)

  

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138. "You just responded to yourself. Hmmmm. "
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>he's basically dirk, except not as efficient a scorer. and
>the knicks' playoff hopes are reliant on melo replicating
>dirk's playoff brilliance of two years ago (where he scored at
>a rate far over his career average for two months). the knicks
>are build around that gamble, right down to surrounding melo
>with dirk's center and PG (with JR as JT and kenyon in
>marion's role as a big mobile defender)

Except Kenyon has never been as good a defender as
Marion.

And that Dallas team was just 10000 times better than
the Knicks in every conceivable way.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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145. "he was re:ing to another post of mine, this thread is cloudy as shit"
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nice revisionism on that dallas team, btw, A+ work, almost as good as i've seen on laker boards regarding the 2004 pistons.

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152. "Marion was 8th in voting for DPOY last year. "
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>nice revisionism on that dallas team, btw, A+ work, almost as
>good as i've seen on laker boards regarding the 2004 pistons.

He's like, way, way, way, way, way better than Kenyon
Martin defensively

Guinness is a liar

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161. "he said he was in the same role, which is accurate"
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maybe i missed where he said he was "as good" but "in the same role" and the two teams being "constructed around that same gamble" are both factual statements.

i do think you are underselling martin slightly and, as usual, overselling marion a bit, but really that could not be too much more beside the point. martin is not as mobile but he can guard any frontcourt position. marion can guards 2, 3s and most 4s. a little different mix but similar versatility. both guys go to the glass. i dunno, i just dont find it a stretch at all to compare the two players in terms of their roles.

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168. "he's being a silly goose."
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obviously, i was saying that kenyon is currently playing that role. marion was also a stretch four, and kenyon isn't.

  

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173. "Um, Nowitski was the stretch 4 on that Mavs team, Einstein. "
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>obviously, i was saying that kenyon is currently playing that
>role. marion was also a stretch four, and kenyon isn't.

Like, you're getting nothing right, like, at all.

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183. "lol @ einstein"
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nice!

  

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140. "Pringles had Carmelo playing point forward. "
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Dumb decision because the Knicks had no other
scorers.

Good decision because Pringles recognized that Carmelo
is an outstanding ball handler and passer.




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167. "he can operate from the top of the key, whoopty damn do"
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was he creating opportunities for other guys? is he now? i don't really see it.

i'm not paring down his contribution to knock it down. scoring a shitload of points at a decent clip of efficiency is a lot and has won guys various honors in the past. i'm just saying, the guy is a pretty one dimensional player still, but he kicks ass at that one dimension.

at various times he's been in roles to chip in a little more passing or rebounding, but he's never taken it to the next level or gotten consistent. he makes baskets, period.

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174. "Pringles had Carmelo playing point forward."
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>was he creating opportunities for other guys? is he now? i
>don't really see it.

Pringles was lauding Carmelo's ball handling and
court vision.




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118. "lmao at these goalpoasts shifting"
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>this year the knicks gotta make it to the finals imo

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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141. "Goalpost Shifting = The Breakfast of Boxscore Champions"
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189. "expecting a 2 seed to make noise in the playoffs is goal post moving?"
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190. "You didn't have them in the 2 seed so you already lost nm."
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---
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139. "LOL Who cares how much he shoots the ball? NYK is better for it"
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This is the best Knicks team in almost 15 years and it is because Melo shoots as much as he does. Why would he pass more when his biggest strength is scoring and he's currently doing better than anyone else in the league? The Knicks surrounded him with a bunch of vets that can defend and they're having a great season, why would anyone want him doing anything different?

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155. "OK....(stats, Melo, bullshit talk and more)..."
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I can't believe how much I'm taking up for Carmelo, especially in this thread...lol...Anyone that knows anything about me, knows I'm hardcore Bulls all day...Which means (fuck) the Knicks...

But greatness is greatness...

I have to say...People are letting some folks off the hook here...And I'm not talking about the Melo critics because truthfully, dude has to win more in the 'Offs to get that across the board respect...

But THIS SEASON? Living in New York I'm forced to watch some Knicks games and I can see what Anthony means to the Knicks' success...It's more than just scoring points as some folks have tried to push...He's the reason people are even taking the Knicks seriously as a contender in the East...He takes pressure off his teammates...And in the 4th Q is stats are off the charts in terms of pressuring defenses and shooting percentage....

Again, I don't shit on people who utilize the newest stats that are currently employed...In fact, I think they tend to put the spotlight on overrated players...

But it starts going off the rails when u use stats to say role players are better/more important than a guy that is literally carrying a franchise as Anthony is doing with the Knicks...

And it's silly to laugh at the notion of Anthony being an MVP candidate (I've said all I had to say about that)...

I'll tell you this...I will not be cheering for the Knicks...In fact, I hope for an early exit...lol

But I'm no fool...It's clear that Melo is an exceptional talent that commands respect...You can judge dude on what he has done/hasn't done a few years ago if you want...

All I know is today-April 8 of 2013--Anthony is beastly...Very Beastly...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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156. "no doubt... and that's my thing. I'm fine with people saying"
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that he's not on bron, durant, cp3 level even harden and tony parker. I may not agree but at least we comparing stars.

we talking bout melo vs. kidd vs. tyson chandler tho lmao.

granted, its only one idiot saying that but he talking the loudest.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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159. "RE: no doubt... and that's my thing. I'm fine with people saying"
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>that he's not on bron, durant, cp3 level even harden and tony
>parker. I may not agree but at least we comparing stars.
>
>we talking bout melo vs. kidd vs. tyson chandler tho lmao.
>
>granted, its only one idiot saying that but he talking the
>loudest.


It is indeed an idiotic thing to say (no disrespect of course)...

But the irony is, Chandler doesn't deserve any side-eye to his game...A guy like Tyson should be celebrated...He's a player that doesn't even need to score to have an impact on the game...He keeps other teams honest when he's in the paint...I was a BIG Tyson fan early on given that the Bulls drafted him...And I used to argue people up and down when folks would say just because Chandler wasn't getting 3 plus blocked shots a game that he wasn't an elite defensive center (This is why I respect the new stats being used today...They shed light on just how much a player like Chandler influences the game beyond boiler plate stats like rebounding, which dude shows his ass on anyway)...

But all this^^^^^doesn't mean that Chandler is "better" than Anthony...

But hey...some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy, too...

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175. "Def...Tyson plays his role and he's great...but without melo"
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Tyson's contributions are irrelevant

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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176. "again."
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tell me one thing that melo does well besides score at an above-average clip.

  

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185. "I've been waiting on this answer too."
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https://digife.com

  

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191. "i've answered it..so have others."
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Are you on board with tyson and kidd being better tban melo also?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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196. "LOL"
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so, again, you're straight up REFUSING to say what carmelo does well besides scoring at an above average rate?

  

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198. "lol at you getting all huffy while ignoring both posts where your"
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question was addressed and ignoring the posts where it was addressed by others.

this chandler/kidd>>>melo agenda is more horrible than your d'antoni a good coach agenda.

How many major L's you tryna take son?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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201. "RE: lol at you getting all huffy while ignoring both posts where your"
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>question was addressed and ignoring the posts where it was
>addressed by others.
>
>this chandler/kidd>>>melo agenda is more horrible than your
>d'antoni a good coach agenda.
>
>How many major L's you tryna take son?


He's a Chief Keef fan.....So what else do you expect?

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202. "answer the question"
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163. "LOL"
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i've asked you ten times in this post to tell me one thing that melo does well besides score at an above-average clip.

you haven't.

  

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166. "RE: LOL"
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But he shouldn't have to...because the one thing he does GREAT has infinitely more impact on the Knicks' success than anything Tyson does...

That's the point...

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178. "rebound his own misses. create space on the floor for others."
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what are the constants with every team he's on (or the hopeful constants)?


PG that penetrates/distributes
SG that spots up at the arc/pays defense
PF that rolls to the hoop/cleans up
C that holds the paint/cleans up


Felton/Billups/Lawson/Carter/Chucky
Shump/J.R./Afflalo/J.R./Dauhntay
Amare/K-Mart/Birdman/Nene
Tyson/Camby/Nene


most of these players are FAIRLY similar molds, though Iverson, Amare and Nene are outliers. all of these guys need spacing and Melo has always given them that considering he can clear out an entire side of the floor entirely himself. And his burst for offensive rebounds is fairly unmatched at his position, did you SEE what he did to the Thunder (who were playing much bigger all game) when he had to? His offensive board game has always been slacked on because he tends to take so many of his shots far enough from the rim.

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179. "He's light years better than Tyson in that category"
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From post 92.....Why do I keep bringing up scoring? Because Melo is lightyears better at scoring than Chandler is. There is nothing that Chandler does better than melo that compares to the scoring advantage that Melo has.

Not sure why you can't understand that.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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165. "well, not to mention that SCORING IS FUCKING IMPORTANT"
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In no other sport is scoring as important as it is in basketball and that is just a mathematical fact. In football, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc, you CAN shut a team out. It would be conceivable to play a very conservative style that relied on opportunism or luck to get one score and win the game.

No basketball game has ever been won 1-0. You need to have an efficient offense to win, period, you cannot just protect the ball or kill clock or play safe, you need to SCORE.

Are we going to pretend every NBA champion has been a great defensive team? Many have been average-ish defensive teams that could turn it on at the right time while scoring a bunch of points throughout. We don't really see that in other sports, and certainly not in a way that is repeatable (e.g. Showtime).

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169. "http://i.minus.com/ifxVk22md7Eoq.gif"
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>In no other sport is scoring as important as it is in
>basketball and that is just a mathematical fact. In football,
>baseball, hockey, soccer, etc, you CAN shut a team out. It
>would be conceivable to play a very conservative style that
>relied on opportunism or luck to get one score and win the
>game.
>
>No basketball game has ever been won 1-0. You need to have an
>efficient offense to win, period, you cannot just protect the
>ball or kill clock or play safe, you need to SCORE.
>
>Are we going to pretend every NBA champion has been a great
>defensive team? Many have been average-ish defensive teams
>that could turn it on at the right time while scoring a bunch
>of points throughout. We don't really see that in other
>sports, and certainly not in a way that is repeatable (e.g.
>Showtime).

http://i.minus.com/ifxVk22md7Eoq.gif

  

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171. "he's a fine scorer."
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but there's no other elite scorer--or supposed "superstar"--that contributes so little elsewhere. that's what that "wins" stat really reflects.

peep this shit right here. top 20 scorers.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=128&player_ids%5B%5D=175&player_ids%5B%5D=196&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=1309&player_ids%5B%5D=94&player_ids%5B%5D=202&player_ids%5B%5D=167&player_ids%5B%5D=229&player_ids%5B%5D=252&player_ids%5B%5D=228&player_ids%5B%5D=137&player_ids%5B%5D=273&player_ids%5B%5D=163&player_ids%5B%5D=93&player_ids%5B%5D=15&player_ids%5B%5D=150&player_ids%5B%5D=238&player_ids%5B%5D=92

  

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172. "RE: he's a fine scorer."
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>but there's no other elite scorer--or supposed
>"superstar"--that contributes so little elsewhere. that's what
>that "wins" stat really reflects.
>
>peep this shit right here. top 20 scorers.
>
>http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=128&player_ids%5B%5D=175&player_ids%5B%5D=196&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=1309&player_ids%5B%5D=94&player_ids%5B%5D=202&player_ids%5B%5D=167&player_ids%5B%5D=229&player_ids%5B%5D=252&player_ids%5B%5D=228&player_ids%5B%5D=137&player_ids%5B%5D=273&player_ids%5B%5D=163&player_ids%5B%5D=93&player_ids%5B%5D=15&player_ids%5B%5D=150&player_ids%5B%5D=238&player_ids%5B%5D=92


Do you ever believe your eyes? On anything?

Seriously...This is getting comical...

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184. "It's sad at this point."
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And then he wonders why people can't take advanced stats seriously.

The stats aren't the problem, it's the idiots that believe that Jason Kidd is more valuable then melo

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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180. "the next leap in your argument, then, is that Rudy Gay > Grizzlies"
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and they should've traded Gasol, or someone who else who isn't notching more Win Shares per 48 than Carmelo Anthony?


Where does it stop? What if Felton and J.R. Smith have more win shares than some of those guys' teammates? What if the Knicks just don't have win shares? They still have wins.


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181. "fuck are you talking about"
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186. "fuck are you talking about"
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187. "i'm talking about your incoherent question."
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"gay>grizzlies"
"What if the Knicks just don't have win shares? They still have wins."

these sentences are pure garble.

  

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195. "I never disagreed, I'm just saying that is not a scathing indictment"
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197. "of course it is."
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melo is an above average scorer who contributies NOTHING else. even his most frothing dick-riders (cenario) refuse to say ONE THING that he's good at outside of scoring at an above average rate.

it's just a joke at this point, and that "wins" stat reflects how little melo does besides fling up shots. cenario has ducked the question 10 times in this thread. the cowardice is unbelievable.

  

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200. "RE: of course it is."
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"Above average scorer" and Carmelo Anthony should not be in the same sentence...

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199. "http://kenseidave.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/steven_hawking.jpeg"
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http://kenseidave.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/steven_hawking.jpeg

  

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