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"Most disappointing players in the SW division (swipe)"


  

          

found this after googling austin rivers after reading that Beal thread
google basically returned a bunch of articles about how wack the nigga is
but yea wish they had this for every division
take aways:
ppl outside of OKS aren't as impressed with Lins 2-3 good games a month as ppl here are
Gatekeeper of average ass PGs made the list
Allstah was right look who's #1......



Few divisions are as deep as the Southwest, but even amongst a collection of teams that features some of the highest scoring numbers in the league there are players that don’t live up to their billing.

A minimum of three teams will make the postseason from the Southwest Division and with Dirk Nowitzki’s return to the court for Dallas, there could be a push for four. The players listed below could make or break their team’s effort to get into the playoffs or they may be so irrelevant by the time the all-star break comes that they’ll have rendered observing their poor form obsolete.

10. Jeremy Lin-With a few solid performances under his belt in recent weeks, Lin has been crawling his way off of this list. However, his average of 11.7 points and 4 assists per game is not exactly an overwhelming return on Rockets general manager Darryl Morey’s investment of an extremely back loaded contract. At this point, Lin is a disappointment, but if he can show up more consistently with performances like he did against San Antonio and New York in recent weeks, he’ll be off the bust list.

9. Tiago Splitter-The Spurs have no center essentially, but it hasn’t mattered for some time when you have the greatest power forward of all time surrounded by a lot of really solid scorers in the back court. This season was supposed to be a year in which Splitter maybe claimed his place in the starting lineup alongside Duncan and gave the aging star some help on the boards, but he has earned himself just seven starts all season, averaging a paltry five rebounds per game in an average of 20 minutes played.

8. Austin Rivers-Rookies usually get a pass when it comes to criticism due to the fact they are rookies, but few come into the league with the hype of being under appreciated as much Rivers did. For all the talk about how good he would be, Rivers is averaging just under 8 points and 3 assists per game. Monty Williams is giving him plenty of chances as he averages 28 minutes per game and given the Hornets record it’s hard to see him not finding room for the rookie in his lineup. Perhaps Rivers will improve, but if these numbers continue, it’s tough to see what all the talk was about and why he seemed worthy of comparisons to the Warriors’ Harrison Barnes by some analysts at the beginning of the season.

7. Boris Diaw-Brought into help the Spurs front court score some points and be another guy to assist on the boards, Diaw got off to a slow start in San Antonio last year as he tried to settle into a new team and system after being traded midway through the campaign. This year, he has had a full offseason to work with the Spurs and the team has asked him to give them an additional presence near the basket rather just the perimeter threat he can bring. Diaw has earned himself just nine starts and averages 6 points and 3.6 rebounds per game in 23 minutes played on average.

6. Royce White-In one of the most bizarre sagas in basketball, White has yet to take the floor for the Rockets this season after the team denied him the ability to travel by bus to road games. His anxiety about flying has kept him off the court as he continues to treat it, but for fans, it’s got to be difficult to understand why he can’t at least play in home games. White was taken with the 16th overall pick in the draft and could be a key part of the Rockets lineup should the therapy ever get him squared away with the travel. Their front court needs a player capable of what White can bring, but thus far it’s been a huge let down not to see him out there.

5. Jerryd Bayless-Making the move from Toronto seemed smart once Kyle Lowry landed there, but Bayless has been less than impressive for the Grizzlies since doing so. Averaging just 5.8 points and 3.3 assists per game off the bench, Bayless has done little to support the notion that he’s a better backup than second year guard Josh Selby. He averages 17 minutes per night for Lionel Hollins who has to be at least a bit disappointed with Bayless’ production.

4. Elton Brand-The Mavericks are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and without Brand in the lineup they’ve suffered even greater in that department. Brought into backup Dirk Nowitzki and start in his place while the Big German was absent, Brand found himself floundering on Rick Carlisle’s bench for the majority of a game even before Nowitzki made his return. Brand started 13 games for Dallas this season and has averaged career lows in points per game (6.6), rebounds (6.2), assists (1.3), field goal percentage (42%) and steals (0.7). Luckily for Mark Cuban, Brand is on a one year deal and can be let go as dead weight when the year ends.

3. Mike Conley-It might be confusing to some how Conley can be having the best scoring year of his six year career and be labeled a disappointment, but he is. With a former championship winning point guard as his coach and a solid complement of borderline stars around him, Conley averages a mere 13.8 points and 6.3 assists in 34 minutes played per game. Over the span of his career it has been expected that he would take that next step, become a premier point guard in a league run by point guards, but Conley has remained mediocre. His defense has steadily improved each season warranting patience, but his ability to run the pick and roll and build the Grizzlies into an offensively solid team has been a failure. Memphis ranks 19th in assists and 18th in total offense.

2. Robin Lopez-Taken 15th overall in 2008 by Phoenix, truthfully most of Lopez’s career has been a disappointment. He was traded to New Orleans last summer to give the Hornets a big man’s presence, but despite averaging a career best 11 points per game, he has failed to make the impact where it’s been needed most, rebounding. As a team, the Hornets are the third worst rebounding team in the league as Lopez averages just over 5 boards per game and the team ranks 20th in points in the paint, an area where he has never been particularly good at showing off his seven foot stature.

1. Darren Collison-After missing out on Deron Williams, Mark Cuban had to do something, but the deal that sent backup center Ian Mahinmi to Indiana and brought Collison to “Big D” has been a mistake. Collison is averaging 12 points and 5 assists per game as a starter and his defensive play is so weak that Rick Carlisle is now experimenting with Dominique Jones again. The team signed Derek Fisher in a desperate attempt to get Collison coming off the bench as a nice sixth man type option rather than its starter. Now, Fisher has decided he wants to be with his family and isn’t going to play anymore leaving Jones to save the Mavs from Collison’s ineffectiveness.

The Mavs are the third worst defensive team in the league, not entirely down to Collison and his 1.4 steals per game, but anyone who watches the team can see that opposing guards get into the paint too easily drawing bigs out and creating passing lanes to just about anywhere on the floor. That starts with the point guard’s ability to stop his opposition, something Collison isn’t very good at. It would be different if he were to offset it with Chris Paul-ish stats on the offensive end, but that hasn’t been the case despite him averaging 30 minutes per game.


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lol 2nd idiot to say lin is averaging 4 assists per game
Jan 03rd 2013
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pretty sure the person who wrote this doesn't post here......
Jan 03rd 2013
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      i'm talkin bout the idiot who swiped it
Jan 03rd 2013
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           lol
Jan 03rd 2013
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           awww i've missed making you mad as shit
Jan 03rd 2013
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                i don't get it. You came in here lying cause you losing and
Jan 03rd 2013
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                     u been waiting for this back and forth since Christmas huh
Jan 03rd 2013
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                          lin shot 49% in december. that fg % steadily increasing
Jan 03rd 2013
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                               steadily increasing like the 30% he shot last night huh
Jan 03rd 2013
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                                    lol when his shot is off, he doesn't chuck up shots, finds ways
Jan 03rd 2013
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                                         damn u went from let's talk about lins shooting %
Jan 03rd 2013
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                                              yeah i really hope people are reading this
Jan 03rd 2013
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                                                   oh k. you're one of the idiots who thinks harden is holding lin back
Jan 03rd 2013
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                                                        who said anything about holding back?
Jan 03rd 2013
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Damn, I didn't know Fish had left the Mavs
Jan 03rd 2013
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no one does, lmao
Jan 03rd 2013
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Seems like he's done.
Jan 03rd 2013
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i partially fault Hollins for Bayless
Jan 03rd 2013
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Yeah, Memphis is clearly very disappointed in Conley.
Jan 03rd 2013
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nice logical fallacy bro
Jan 03rd 2013
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Lulz
Jan 03rd 2013
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its not wrong.
Jan 03rd 2013
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Can Elton Brand really being considered a disappointment at this point?
Jan 03rd 2013
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yea didn't even read that paragraph
Jan 03rd 2013
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      you probably were the idiot that made this list
Jan 03rd 2013
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           you can't be this mad
Jan 03rd 2013
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                Hahahaha.
Jan 03rd 2013
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                http://i32.tinypic.com/vp9guh.jpg
Jan 05th 2013
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I'm done here:
Jan 03rd 2013
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just based on the spurs i don't get this list
Jan 03rd 2013
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      Yeah.
Jan 03rd 2013
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           Not to pile on but the premise of the article is dumb
Jan 04th 2013
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                the premise is fine.
Jan 04th 2013
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LOL @ SWIPING THE MUSINGS OF A FUCKING IDIOT
Jan 03rd 2013
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lulz @ splitter being on this list.
Jan 03rd 2013
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Let's ignore that.
Jan 03rd 2013
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LOLOLOLOL just saw the Robin Lopez mention
Jan 03rd 2013
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If anyone it should be Kawhi
Jan 03rd 2013
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I honestly didn't see what you got out of him last year coming
Jan 03rd 2013
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      Basically, being a ball hawk and creating havoc with those mitts
Jan 04th 2013
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      He was absurdly good last year.
Jan 04th 2013
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           He's an energy player.
Jan 04th 2013
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           Is that a bad thing?
Jan 04th 2013
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                RE: Is that a bad thing?
Jan 04th 2013
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                     who cares where he shot from?
Jan 04th 2013
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                          my point is that he's suppose to be better than Bruce Bowen offensively
Jan 04th 2013
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                               Look at his FG percentages from last year.
Jan 05th 2013
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           I'm talking about improvement from LAST SEASON, which is little to none
Jan 04th 2013
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           I'm just saying if u saw him as much as I did in college
Jan 05th 2013
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                Spurs know what they're doing.
Jan 05th 2013
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we're all stars now....in the dope show.....
Jan 03rd 2013
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Archive
Jan 03rd 2013
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Lol seriously was this bleacher report?
Jan 04th 2013
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Lol no, opposingviews.com
Jan 04th 2013
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This list/article is terrible fam
Jan 04th 2013
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lol, they must have been looking at rebounds:
Jan 04th 2013
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Lol
Jan 04th 2013
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Cenario
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1. "lol 2nd idiot to say lin is averaging 4 assists per game"
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on here.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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southphillyman
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3. "pretty sure the person who wrote this doesn't post here......"
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but k
btw saw you missed me in the last nights game thread
fucking weirdo

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Cenario
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5. "i'm talkin bout the idiot who swiped it"
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and lol at lin having 2 or 3 good games a month.

I see your strategy is just to blatantly lie.

subjmattr doesn't care anymore

your turn truth.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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6. "lol"
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southphillyman
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9. "awww i've missed making you mad as shit"
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how many times a week do you want me to post?

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Cenario
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11. "i don't get it. You came in here lying cause you losing and "
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looking stupid.

I guess since you can't talk about lin's shooting % now you wanna talk about him having only a couple of good games a month. lol what?

meanwhile irl, lin and harden are clicking and winning games.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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southphillyman
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13. "u been waiting for this back and forth since Christmas huh"
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nigga saw SW division and flew in here like a fly to shit to gobble up the bait
bwhahahahahahah dumb fuck
lol @ not being able to talk about Lins shooting %
nigga shooting 43%....
nobody talks about lin except for the chinese guy here,you (only after his 2 or 3 good games a month though), and resident transsexual loving weirdo
you done went from being a rockets fan to a nets fan back to a knicks fan
shit what you going do now that the knicks aint the hottest team in the east?
fucking schizophrenic weirdo

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Cenario
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14. "lin shot 49% in december. that fg % steadily increasing "
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after a slow start. Keep holding on to that tho.

lol @ 2 or 3 good games a month.

dudes just blatantly lying these days.

what else you got?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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southphillyman
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15. "steadily increasing like the 30% he shot last night huh"
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he shot less than 40% in 3 of the 5 games he's played since christmas dawg
lol u struggling like shit. nigga evaluating lin on some sprint month to month rollover plan shit

p.s. 16 and 6
bwhahahahahahahha

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Cenario
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16. "lol when his shot is off, he doesn't chuck up shots, finds ways"
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to contribute and the team still wins. Those 3 games you mentioned, the rockets won two and he shot 8, 9 and 10 times. Like a smart pg, if he isn't on, he gets the ball to other guys rather than forcing his game.

you looking stupid and trying to defend this on an agenda tip makes you seem like you don't understand basketball at all.

I said 16 and 6 for lin before they got harden so there's that.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "damn u went from let's talk about lins shooting %"
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to let's talk about lin's shooting in the month of December
to now....he's a shitty shooter who knows when to stop shooting so his team can win?
damn at least you trying i guess

and now 16 and 6 ain't the barometer cause lin has someone to help take pressure off him? someone that should help his scoring and assists go UP?
yall reading this dumb shit?

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22. "yeah i really hope people are reading this"
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>to let's talk about lin's shooting in the month of December
>to now....he's a shitty shooter who knows when to stop
>shooting so his team can win?
>damn at least you trying i guess
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>and now 16 and 6 ain't the barometer cause lin has someone to
>help take pressure off him? someone that should help his
>scoring and assists go UP?
>yall reading this dumb shit?

lin's scoring and assists should be higher with harden than without him?
I guess that's why lin had 38 and 7 when harden didn't play.

damn you dumb...

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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25. "oh k. you're one of the idiots who thinks harden is holding lin back"
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got it
has that caused any issues with you being guinness new lap dog?

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26. "who said anything about holding back?"
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Do you understand how basketball works at all?

They are both playing well and the rockets are winning.

Everyone is winning except you, subjctmattr, truth and jux.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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2. "Damn, I didn't know Fish had left the Mavs"
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4. "no one does, lmao"
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12. "Seems like he's done."
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7. "i partially fault Hollins for Bayless"
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i cant tell if he over-coaches or under-coaches PGs

  

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8. "Yeah, Memphis is clearly very disappointed in Conley."
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A starter on one of the best teams in basketball. Oh the humanity!

lol

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10. "nice logical fallacy bro"
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35. "Lulz"
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Goddamn, you just take an L every time you speak.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=✓;&player_ids%5B%5D=252&player_ids%5B%5D=148&player_ids%5B%5D=68&player_ids%5B%5D=238

  

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27. "its not wrong."
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nobody is disappointed per se
but the timer is on
nobody is looking a gift horse in the mouth right now

  

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18. "Can Elton Brand really being considered a disappointment at this point?"
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He's a guy amnestied by the Sixers signed at damn near vet-minimum levels & only starting because of Dallas' depleted roster along with Dirk being out.

What was expected of him in this writer's mind?

Would Cuban take back that move right now?

Doubt it.

  

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19. "yea didn't even read that paragraph"
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have no idea what the expectations in dallas were to be honest
but he probably just needed to fill out the list

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20. "you probably were the idiot that made this list"
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lol @ just needed to fill out the list so he put brand 4th.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "you can't be this mad"
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i've only been posting for like 2 hours today
while you've been wondering where i'm at i'm sure your wife has enjoyed my absence
she finally got to see her husband come home without a frown on his face for a couple of days

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24. "Hahahaha."
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55. "http://i32.tinypic.com/vp9guh.jpg"
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http://i32.tinypic.com/vp9guh.jpg

men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. (c)Niccolò Machiavelli

  

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21. "I'm done here:"
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>9. Tiago Splitter-The Spurs have no center essentially,

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31. "just based on the spurs i don't get this list"
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splitter isn't a disappointment to me. tim duncan is obviously a center now. and people expect things from boris diaw? i expect him to coast so he can maybe do something in 5 mos

  

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32. "Yeah."
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They have 2 Spurs, a Grizzly and a Rocket...all of whom are doing great or/and overachieving. I don't get it.

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42. "Not to pile on but the premise of the article is dumb"
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>They have 2 Spurs, a Grizzly and a Rocket...all of whom are
>doing great or/and overachieving. I don't get it.


Trying to find 10 disappointing players when teams play like an 7-8 man rotation.

You're looking at trying to "find"1:5 that are disappointing--that's why you end up "force feeding" Elton in there at #4.

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47. "the premise is fine."
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it was just written by a fucking idiot who magically managed to insert several players having literally the best seasons of their career into his list.

  

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28. "LOL @ SWIPING THE MUSINGS OF A FUCKING IDIOT"
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mike conley is having the best season of his career.
tiago splitter has been fantastic.
lin is an average PG in pretty much every category.

you probably got this junk off bleacher report. thank god i skimmed the names before reading this trash. fuck you for attempting to waste my time, SPM.

  

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29. "lulz @ splitter being on this list."
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he's having a marvelous season.

conley and lopez are also playing well. and a few of those guys had minimal-to-nonexistent expectation levels coming into the year, so how can they really be disappointments?

this guy's a dickhead.

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30. "Let's ignore that."
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Let's talk about the part where it says the Spurs have no center essentially.

Except, you know, a top 10 center of ALL TIME.

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33. "LOLOLOLOL just saw the Robin Lopez mention"
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Another dude enjoying a career-best season. This is the worst basketball article ever written. SPM is a clump of shit for reposting it in his frantic desperation to avoid yet another humiliating L on Lin (it's coming too).

  

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34. "If anyone it should be Kawhi"
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Pop is touting him as the next great hope but dude is still nothing more than a ball hawk. He can't do anything offensively besides the occasional corner shots. He is still young and I like his demeanor, so I'm not calling him a bust, its just that I don't see any improvement to his game......dude is disaster when he puts the ball on the floor.

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37. "I honestly didn't see what you got out of him last year coming"
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based on watching him in college. He was a mucker/grinder/hustle player type.

  

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40. "Basically, being a ball hawk and creating havoc with those mitts "
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During the per-season Pop was touting him to be Bruce Bowen with a MUCH better offensive game and he played well in the summer league. He can make the corner 3s at a respectable rate but besides that he doesn't have much arsenal in offensive game.

I could see him being a Gerald Wallace type but he isn't as athletically gifted. He can already rebound at a decent rate and is one of the better ball hawks in the game. At the moment he is pretty much what he was last season but he hasn't played much this season because of tendonitis, so he might make a leap forward by the end of the season.

Current status: Corey Brewer
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Bust: Renaldo Balkman

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44. "He was absurdly good last year. "
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efficient scorer, grabs boards, tons of steals, elite defender, etc. he's been sidelined with tendinitis for half the season, so I'm not sure why he's even being discussed in this thread. He's played 17 games. Still been really good though (59% TS, defensive rating of 98). Anyway, he's great.

  

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45. "He's an energy player. "
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46. "Is that a bad thing?"
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Kid shot 38% from three last season and is already one of the better perimeter defenders in the league. The Bowen comparison makes sense, except he couldn't rebound or score with Kahwi's efficiency (his career TS% was 100 points less than Kawhi's rookie year!). I'm not making the argument that he should be the primary scorer on a team, but there aren't many guys in the league that can do what he does.

  

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50. "RE: Is that a bad thing?"
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>Kid shot 38% from three last season
Dude is mediocre from any where else on the court except the corner. Shooting 38% when you're spotting up isn't something to brag about. He is also terrible at finishing at the rim even on breakaways. On the other hand, he's a really good defender and has a knack for getting to loose balls.

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51. "who cares where he shot from?"
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his TS% was around 60%, making him one of the more efficient perimeter players in the NBA. an excellent defender and an efficient scorer can be on my team any day.

  

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53. "my point is that he's suppose to be better than Bruce Bowen offensively"
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but I'm just no seeing it, it's too early but I'm basing my statements based on what Pop said about him coming out of camp. He actually played well in the summer league and was creating plays for himself. Against the big boys he has been either getting blocked at the rim or shooting air balls in those scenarios.

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54. "Look at his FG percentages from last year. "
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They're GREAT, not just good. He's doing what he's supposed to do.

  

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52. "I'm talking about improvement from LAST SEASON, which is little to none"
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> efficient scorer, grabs boards, tons of steals, elite
>defender, etc. he's been sidelined with tendinitis for half
>the season, so I'm not sure why he's even being discussed in
>this thread. He's played 17 games. Still been really good
>though (59% TS, defensive rating of 98). Anyway, he's great.

If it was career wise, Dejaun Blair would be in the leading pack but Blair was garbage last season so nobody was expecting him to be a rotation player.

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56. "I'm just saying if u saw him as much as I did in college"
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then last year was a surprise.

Just last year alone was better than I thought he'd ever be in the NBA so anything past that is gravy.

  

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57. "Spurs know what they're doing. "
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They traded up to get him and turned him into what they envisioned. I remember an article about how they totally retooled his jumper.

  

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36. "we're all stars now....in the dope show....."
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so let's hope I can provide some facts to fuck up your good time.

and I quote

"he shot less than 40% in 3 of the 5 games he's played since christmas dawg
lol u struggling like shit. nigga evaluating lin on some sprint month to month rollover plan shit"

In his last 10 games, in which the Rockets are 7-3, Jeremy Lin is averaging 14.3 pts, 6.9apg, and shooting 50% from the field, even with 3 clunkers in his last 5.

how well would he have had to be playing over a 10 game period, to have 3 single digit sub 40% shooting nights and still have numbers that good over a 10 game span?

but forget all that. Let's move to this:

>ppl outside of OKS aren't as impressed with Lins 2-3 good
>games a month as ppl here are




I got a swipe for you: From ESPN Insider. Cause some people like to pay for this kind of information.

There's a good line in it re: the Kimye fetus and the Lin/Harden partnership. That info only came out, what, 4 days ago? As opposed to the article you swiped, which had to be some time ago for Lin to be averaging 11 n 4. But why let timeframe get in the way of an agenda, right?

Oh, you'll love the part about Lin's play before and after Dec 16th. Those 2-3 good games you're talking about.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-121231/nba-houston-rockets-coming-together-james-harden-jeremy-lin


When Tom Haberstroh used Per Diem to lobby for the Houston Rockets to bench Jeremy Lin two weeks ago, the Rockets were a game below .500, having lost four of their previous six outings. Since then, Houston has emerged as one of the league's hottest teams, winning five in a row before stumbling against last year's Western Conference finalists (San Antonio and Oklahoma City) during a difficult back-to-back over the weekend. That's not entirely a coincidence.

Although the Rockets never took an action so bold as benching Lin, they've been able to reap some of the same benefits by simply staggering his minutes with those of star teammate James Harden, a process that began earlier in December but only fully took root late in the month. During Friday's game against the Spurs, one of Houston's starting guards was on the court for all 48 minutes, the first time that has happened all month. Garbage time is partially to blame; in three of the last five Rockets games, either Harden or Lin played throughout the first three quarters, but the two guards watched the end of blowouts together from the bench.

Despite the influence of lopsided games, the numbers show how Kevin McHale has managed his backcourt differently during the last two weeks as compared to the rest of the season. The percentage of the team's minutes the two players have played together is down, but both have played more on their own. According to NBA.com/Stats, Lin has gone from playing about 40 percent of the minutes Harden rests through Dec. 16 to nearly 60 percent since then.

But that's not the real story. Ultimately, how McHale staggers his rotation makes only a small difference because Harden averages nearly 40 minutes per game. To succeed in Houston, Lin had to stop fearing the Beard's presence. That's the impressive thing about the last two weeks. Suddenly Lin's stat line no longer shows the same extreme splits depending on whether Harden is on the court or off it. Compare his performance playing with Harden through Dec. 16 -- the same figures that appeared in this column then -- and from Dec. 17 onward.

Lin Playing With Harden, Playing Without
Through Dec. 16 Since Dec. 17
Stat
PTS 10.7 18.2
AST 6.5 7.3
REB 4.3 3.6
TS% 46.5 62.5
USG%17.0 22.5
PER 12.1 19.0

Source: NBA.com's StatsCube

To put the magnitude of Lin's improvement into context, consider that his 46.5 percent true shooting percentage (TS%) with Harden through Dec. 16 would rank 281st among regular players. His 62.5 percent TS% since then? That would put him in the league's top 20.
Not only is Lin shooting far more effectively, he's also getting more opportunities to score. In part, this surely reflects that Harden and Lin are becoming more comfortable with each other. After all, the Kim Kardashian-Kanye West pregnancy (12 weeks) is older than their partnership (nine). When they started the Rockets' season opener, it was the first game the two guards had played together -- Harden had been traded to Houston only days earlier. With limited practice time during the regular season, Harden and Lin have had to learn each other's tendencies on the fly.
Beyond that, McHale and the Houston coaching staff have tweaked the offense to put Lin in situations to maximize his talents as a creator. Because Harden is dangerous as an outside shooter and Lin is not, the Rockets may be better off as a team with Lin running pick-and-rolls and Harden spotting up. So over the last couple of weeks, Lin has often initiated possessions with a high pick-and-roll. If that doesn't translate into a shot, Harden is more likely to get the basketball with the shot clock running down.
The other adjustment should be familiar to anyone who has watched the Miami Heat deal with a similar issue involving stars LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Similar to what Miami does at times, Houston has made defenses account for both Lin and Harden by putting them into occasional pick-and-rolls together. The Lakers used a similar 1-2 pick-and-roll to set up Derek Fisher's winning score during Game 3 of the 2009 NBA Finals, and Orlando made extensive use of the same play when Vince Carter was on the roster.

Using Harden as a screener has a couple of advantages. It puts a guard in the unfamiliar position of defending the roll man. And since Harden is a threat from anywhere on the court, teams can't leave him to commit a second defender on Lin. So either Lin gets a relatively clear path to the basket or the defense has to switch, putting a smaller player on Harden and giving him the opportunity to post up.

Thanks to these changes and Lin's aggressiveness attacking hard closeouts on the perimeter, more than half of his shot attempts with Harden on the floor over the last two weeks have come in the restricted area -- higher than his rate last season in New York, or with Harden on the bench this year.
Other factors have worked in Lin's favor over the last two weeks. The Rockets have pushed the pace lately; ESPN Stats & Info noted that Saturday's loss to Oklahoma City featured more possessions than any regulation NBA game in the last five years. That has created opportunities for Lin to freelance in the open court, and his fast-break points have gone from 5.1 per 36 minutes to 7.5 over the last two weeks. The tempo is up partly because Houston replaced injured starting power forward Patrick Patterson with more small ball, moving Marcus Morris into the starting lineup and sliding small forward Chandler Parsons down to the 4 at times. Those players offer better outside shooting and more spacing from the position, clearing driving lanes for Lin.

Regardless of the reasons, the last seven games have shown that Harden and Lin can excel at the same time. The Rockets' offense has been the beneficiary: Lin's scoring has fueled the recent surge that has pushed the team to sixth in the Hollinger Power Rankings and 10th in the league in offensive rating as of Dec. 16; Houston ranks third since then.
Last weekend showed the Rockets still have too many holes to compete with the West's best teams on a regular basis, but their guard play is good enough to make a playoff trip likely in what figured to be a rebuilding season. Given that Houston has one of the NBA's three youngest rotations and that Lin and Harden are both locked up through 2015, the future is bright now that the two guards are shining together.

  

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38. "Archive"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "Lol seriously was this bleacher report?"
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41. "Lol no, opposingviews.com"
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I can understand not posting the source in order to avoid poisoning the well in this argument, but this is some half ass contrived bullshit by some clueless mf

The people who write for bleacher report are clowning this
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43. "This list/article is terrible fam"
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48. "lol, they must have been looking at rebounds:"
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>10. Jeremy Lin-With a few solid performances under his belt in
>recent weeks, Lin has been crawling his way off of this list.
>However, his average of 11.7 points and 4 assists per game

  

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49. "Lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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