16. "Jeter before Montana. " In response to Reply # 10
>Steve Yzerman, Mark Messier, Joe Montana, Ray Lewis are the >first 4 i think of
I've never heard Montana described as a "great leader". Not that he was a non-leader, but rather that his greatness was more about his coolness in the clutch, professionalism, etc.
And I look forward to the inevitable "Ray Lewis Was Way Overrated" OKS post within the next 6 months or so
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7. "LET MOBUTU SHOW YOU HOW IT'S DONE" In response to Reply # 6
Mobutu Sese Seko @Mobute Ray Lewis announcing that at the end of this season he will tackle being a private citizen, after 3 other people tackle it and hold it down.
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28. "Yikes, somebody had a bad New Years Eve" In response to Reply # 23
Didn't mean to deliver you the bad news, but literally every single great speech, ever, was contrived. War speeches. Political speeches, Football speeches. Your uncle's speeches. The nigga from the NGE who came to your barber shop speeches.
29. "My dude, he does them pretty much ALL OF THE TIME." In response to Reply # 28
I don't need to hear this cat scream about, "WE GONNA GO TO THE MOUNTAIN TOP! JUMP IN THE SEA OF OUR ANCESTORS. THE GODS WHO'VE PLAYED THIS GAME WE LOVE. AND SWIM OUT THE SEA WITH THIS WIN....vs the titans"
Them dudes don't seem real after a while. Same with B-Dawk. ***ducks cheesefries***
26. "He could also have himself listed as questionable on the Injury Report" In response to Reply # 24
then not be seen until Starting Lineups announce and run out the stands at full speed in his uniform from the Raven Hot Dog hut like the Ultimate Warrior.
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30. "A great actor giving what he knows is his final performance." In response to Reply # 20
If you don't like Ray, I can see where you're coming from, but this is like Daniel Day-Lewis giving his final performance as an actor who is giving his final performance. If you don't think he's gonna feel the emotion, you're just a cold-hearted man.
36. "yeah i am not much for the rah rah shit, i hate it mostly" In response to Reply # 33
except that one speech ed reed gave when he was at miami, shit gave me chills.
guys like him, lewis, dawkins, et al, i dont like their speeches as much as the fact that they back it up on the field. they bring that same passion in their play and THAT'S where it can elevate the total team game.
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40. "I'm a big believer in speeches." In response to Reply # 33
They obviously don't have a literal impact, but I absolutely believe a good speech sticks with a person when they're about to perform, whether it's a battle, a sport, a play, or an important day for a business. I remember the good speeches I've heard, and they gave me that extra boost to do my best.
So we may just have a fundamental difference of opinion on this one.
48. "IMO motivation is a continuous thing, kind of a mind fuck" In response to Reply # 40
it's not about a one-shot speech to fire the team up. it's about the ongoing way the coaches and veteran guys communicate with the team and further its development.
i have to say that--when you can understand what the fuck he is saying--darryl sutter is a master of that. he seems to know exactly what buttons to push. he's got his own way of encouraging, sometimes he'll get pissed (and it sounds funny) and a lot of times he will fuck with guys, say very disparaging and sarcastic things quietly. he'll also be honest with guys. he once told martin gelinas that he was stinking up the joint so bad that he only had a spot in the lineup because they had no other left wings. gelinas went on to score the series-clinching goals in all three rounds and had what would have been the stanley cup clinching goal disallowed on review.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
34. "lol wtf, you better pull out a nosehair or get kicked in the sack first" In response to Reply # 13
you can cry at the end of the brian's song, you can cry at jimmy v's speech, you can cry at the end of any biography of roberto clemente, but i'm sorry, crying in this situation is absolutely unacceptable.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
39. "i just cant see it, especially since he doesnt play for either of our" In response to Reply # 37
teams
i almost lost it when AI came back but that is about the closest. had dawkins retired an eagle, yes, i probably would have cried. i mean i guess technically he did, but you know what i mean.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
54. "I kinda agree, he's an all-time great football player but no need to..." In response to Reply # 13
canonize the guy, hasn't exactly been an angel off the field, he had the murder shit, he's fathered at least six children by 4 different women, among other shit
38. "Been a privilege to watch him play and he was great with the fans" In response to Reply # 0
I dunno about him personally and of course he almost lost his career to a bid but what I do know is that 1) he was a fucking BEAST on the field and 2) he was very personable and giving of his time with the fans.
I stopped by his restaurant (good ass cornbread, BTW) a couple times when he was doing his radio show. Every time he would have a meet and greet with fans, signing stuff and shooting the shit with them. He was also doing his show so it was kind of a long stop for him, but he never looked rushed. He respected the fans' time and, in turn, they respected his. I never saw anybody linger. There were some clear regulars, too, people that came every week or whenever they could. Outside of Unitas, I don't think there is a bigger name in Baltimore football. That is quite an accomplishment given what the Colts achieved there, for Lewis and also Ed Reed to get that same kind of respect as legends in their own time.
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42. "I'm gonna miss that dude" In response to Reply # 0
He's one of those dudes that i hear give speeches and he makes me want to put a helmet on.
He's a leader that demanded the best of every single player on the field with him. He gave rah rah, but he gave every ounce on every play. He's been the face of a franchise. I'ma miss Rayray a lot.
I'll miss watching him play.
I might have to watch that Ray Lewis dance one more time for good measure.
45. "He almost single handedly turned Bmore into a Football town..." In response to Reply # 0
During my early childhood years (80s/early to mid 90s), there was no doubt that Bmore was a baseball town. The Orioles ran the city. Ripken was the hero (and still is to a large degree) and face of the city. Now obviously the O's had the advantage since the Colts skipped town in the middle of the night in the early 80s. But even prior to that, the Orioles had a firm grip on the city.
Now obviously the Colts were wildly popular during the Johnny U days, but I don't believe they were ever quite as popular or beloved as the Ravens are today. Growing up in the Bmore metro area I have witnessed this transformation take place. Bmore folks are crazy about their Ravens. I do believe that Ray Lewis has had a monumental role in this transformation.
Much respect to one of the greatest football players of all time. Despite not being a Ravens fan, I used to make it to at least one Ravens pre-season practice every year. He was simply amazing to watch. The combination of size, speed, strength, intelligence, and tencacity was awe-inspiring. He's definitely on the short list of all-time great NFL players. He's also on that short list of NFL players who's popularity transcended the sport. Like I said, just a treat to watch.
50. "I think you're underestimating the love that city HAS for the Colts" In response to Reply # 45
The older folks in the city are Baltimore Colts fans first and Ravens fans second.
The Baltimore Colts are a part of the fabric that helped to make the NFL into what it is today. Johnny U wasn't just a QB, he was THE QB, go talk to some of those old heads about Lenny Moore, John Mackie, Art Donovan and Raymond Berry. Watch their eyes light up when they talk about those dudes.
I don't say any of this to shit on Ray or his legacy as of now i'm just saying I think you're underestimating what the Colts meant to this city.
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