I told y'all he wasn't going to be good. With Cuz out of the way he should be blowing up. Not so much.

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and i'll take an L on this...for now.

i still dont see how a nigga with that size and ability can't get off to a faster start than this. once he focuses on being a garbage man, he should be fine. he be posting and callin for the ball...lmao. nigga, if you don't get the fuck outta there and set a screen.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

At least we'd find out if you really just can't teach hustle.

i still blame hip-hop.

end up a king for at least the next five to ten years.

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> he be posting and callin for
>the ball...lmao. nigga, if you don't get the fuck outta there
>and set a screen.

hahaha

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just.can't.let.go.yet. I'm believing he'll come around. My pops is FRYING me about him, too. He knows I been riding with dude since he got to KU. I was talking cash shit the night of the draft. My pops has the NBA package and I damn near get a text a day...either pertaining to T Rob or a Celtics loss.

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Dude plays D and gets dirty for boards and he's a legit 7'1

Nice touch on offense as well...he's going be a huge reason Kansas ges to another final four
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that team KU had last year...if you could have switched out Sherron Collins for Tyshawn Taylor...would have totally dominated, IMO.

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so i'd say give him some time.

He plays for a team with two guys exactly his size on the roster, not to mention an experienced hustling rebound machine in Chuck Hayes, not to mention Cuz... not to mention a team that is a disaster of an organization. It will likely take him a bit of time to get acclimated to the NBA game, not to mention get the appropriate game time to garner the experience.

Unless we're judging all rookies based on their first 30, in which case, you have some explaining to do on your "Barnes> MKG" agenda.

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why is he getting a pass?

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By then, the guys that need a little bit of time to get used to the game have either figured it out or haven't, and we see what the guys who came in red-hot can do to avoid sophomore slump.

But if you do prefer to talk about it right now... talk about MKG vs. Harrison Barnes.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

We had AD on MKG for much of the night and AD was getting abused in the 1st half.

I was blown away at MKG's relentlessness. Can't believe the Bobcats actually made the right pick...he's already really good.

niggas thought i was crazy for saying that's who i want kyrie runnin wit. i don't give a fuck how his shooting form looks. he shoots well enough.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

3 things:

I wonder what Hov said to him after the game. "We got that long Kremlin money when FA comes up."

He looks like he's having zero fun.

Tristan puts up numbers good enough to make it seem like he's doing something, but is really doing nothing.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

together for the Bucks.

Seems like a good idea, but bad results.

I don't see any good 2 guards in 2013 either.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Attacks the rim relentlessly, takes smart shots and hustles off the ball like his next meal depends on it.


Dion is a dime a dozen in the modern NBA. Inefficient gunnin. MKG with Kyrie would have been the perfect combo going forward.

i don't have to try. just sit back and enjoy it from the sidelines while munching popcorn.

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disappointing fans of the team that picked them this year. adding to a long legacy of busts, near-busts, and disappointments, save for Melo. that's it. goddam this list is sorry as shit:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=syracuse

that's one good player and 5 sorry ass players in 2013.

then there's this:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=georgetown

that's 2 solid starters and one legit bench option coming back from heart surgery. Quality over bust quantity.

hollis should have stayed another year in college, especially with a hernia so he couldn't work out for teams. but he got that degree and he got some guaranteed money.

watch. undrafted henry sims is gonna get into an NBA game before 1st rounder Fab does too, if you want to make this a gtown/cuse thing: "Though the Red Claws came out victorious with a 113-111 victory, it was Sims who, with ease, outplayed the NBA rookie big man. Sims added 16 points (on 7 of 11 from the field) and 6 rebounds in just 21 minutes of play, whereas Melo logged just 6 points and 4 boards."

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Only asked because you were so matter of fact that Hollis would be an NBA player.

Fab had like 13 blocks in a game the other day, so we'll see.

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I plan on catching the recording today some time. MKG is just so non-stop it's crazy. His aggression just overpowers most defenders. And he's only 18.

I really don't like the rest the of the Bobcats roster. Kemba is okay, great speed, but shoots way too much. And BJ Mullens thinks he's Rick Barry and pulls from everywhere on the court.

Bismack needs some more time to develop too.

I really like that Eric Gordon is back. I've always had faith in him. If he stays healthy he's just as good if not better than Harden imo.

His presence alone makes up for a lot of those talent deficiencies on the offensive side we talked about in the other post. And it minimizes Austin's mins so where he can come in and be a scorer off the bench.

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And BJ Mullens
>thinks he's Rick Barry and pulls from everywhere on the
>court.


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MKG, Kemba and Bismack and even BJ can definitely make up the core moving forward, but what kinda team are they trying to be? I think they should go to a slow-down, defensive oriented squad with MKG and Biyombo, but Kemba and Ben Gordon aint having that. They are a mess.


As for us, Gordon is going to be so good for AD. They ran the pick and roll beautifully last night, freeing up AD to do what he does best. His overall #'s probably won't change too much, but Gordon's presence will allow him to be more active on the offensive glass. Should be fun.

are Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, and DeSagana Diop, and are making a combined 27 million this year, or just under 50% of the total team payroll.

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I wonder who they could potential go after in free agency. More interesting: who would actually entertain going there?

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He is kind of a typical Kings prospect, guy who needs to define his game at the pro level and might have a limited ceiling for his draft position anyway. I still think he will be an above average pro. He needs to get grittier.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

to being listed at 6-10 with the Kings, like I said before, he's too little to be an effective 4 in the NBA, he's a less skilled Beasley/Derrick Williams

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

it'll be good for his chances of sticking long term. i dont think he is going to be a 3.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

They're the worst run organization in the league right now.

Claiming some type of victory regarding his potential or future in this league this soon is stupid.

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We rip Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Dion Waiters, and others without hesitation, because they were high draft picks. So how come the jury still isn't out yet on a top draft pick in T-Rob?

Nah, he's gotta perform better than what he is, point blank. Sactown be damned. If we can bash Bradley Beal (who's in arguably a WORSE organization), than T-Rob shouldn't be spared.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

We can tune in and see Bradley Beal sucking dick on the court. But T-Rob can't be found.

That's how Derrick Williams hid under the radar.

People forget these cats exist.

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Looking back at the last two drafts with loads of big men, here are guys from the 2008 and 2010 NBA Draft:

2010:

Greg Monroe:
Rookie- 9.4 and 7.5, 27 minutes per game
Now- 15.1 and 8.8, 32 minutes per game

Derrick Favors:
Rookie- 6.3 and 5.3, 20 minutes per game
Now- 9.4 and 6.4, 22 minutes per game

Larry Sanders:
Rookie- 4.3 and 3.0, 14 minutes per game
Now- 8 and 8.4, 25 minutes per game

Kevin Seraphin:
Rookie- 2.7 and 2.6, 10 minutes per game
Now- 10.8 and 5.4, 24 minutes per game

2008:

Robin Lopez:
Rookie: 3.2 and 2, 10 minutes per game
Now: 12 and 5.7, 26 minutes per game

Serge Ibaka:
Rookie: 6.3 and 5.4, 18 minutes per game
Now: 14.2 and 8.5, 32 minutes per game

JJ Hickson:
Rookie: 4 and 2.7, 11 minutes per game
Now: 12.5 and 11, 29 minutes per game

Today, Thomas Robinson:
Rookie: 4.5 and 4, 15 minutes per game

I'd say those numbers are relatively comparable, and it's way too early to assume that T-Rob will bust because of his first 30 games, obviously. I guess you could still call some of those dudes busts, or maybe not due to relatively lower draft position, but team changes or simple increases in minutes made huge impacts on these guys' stats.

Obviously there are players like Demarcus Cousins, Brook Lopez, and Kevin Love who made big impacts right away who are outliers from this pattern... but even they all got much better than their rookie seasons. Kevin Love "only" did 11 and 9 his first season.

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I said in my Truthiness and Justivity post:

"If he develops some finesse post moves and relies less on bamma post moves, he could be as good as a Diet Coke Elton Brand-- not too shabby. I like him to improve every year, to struggle at first, but to end up winning out long run. Not convinced yet he's an All-Star, but that work ethic has me pretty certain he'll stick and start even if his high draft position might result in bust whispers."

He's currently not working the post very efficiently, and he's struggling at first. It was clear this would happen.

If you thought he should've been drafted lower, cool. I even questioned in that post if he should go as high as he would. But he's still a guy who has the talent and the work ethic to be a perennial NBA starter. And we won't know whether that will ACTUALLY happen for another several years.

We're still waiting to see if Derrick Favors, the only other Top 5 pick, will live up to his draft position... but he's still getting so few minutes per game, despite looking strong when he's in at this point.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Kings are a shitty org that doesn't develop players.

Cuz might get traded too.

I think the potential is there. So I'll hold off on eating an L.

I figured a slow start cuz the Kings have NO idea what their doing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayhawker

Jayhawkers is a term that came to prominence just before the American Civil War in Bleeding Kansas, where it was adopted by militant bands affiliated with the free-state cause. These bands, known as "Jayhawkers", were guerrilla fighters who often clashed with pro-slavery groups from Missouri known at the time as "Border Ruffians". After the Civil War, the word "Jayhawker" became synonymous with the people of Kansas. Today the term is a nickname for a native-born Kansan.

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years which seemed to lean more KU than MU so I've dealt with those fuckers a lot

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at least robinson can rebound.

rivers should not have been getting tick. robinson basically didn't. i will let them play out their rookie deals before writing them off.

sometimes i wish the NBA had a minor league. it would be such a benefit to every facet of the sport.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

welp so far looks like ppl were right about him after that kentucky game
too small to deal with nba length and athleticism
houstons offense is basically tailor made for an athletic 4 who can run the floor, rebound and kick it back out
at least they can always trade his $3 million salary (c) zach lowe

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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i mean, disappointing campaign aside, he seems like a good kid in a tough situation. no need to go cutting his throat.

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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1988946&mesg_id=1988946&page=

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going on.

well for the record i did think he would be a solid starter and i am not entirely convinced he is a bum. 20/10, all star, blah blah, that is more than i thought of him. i figured he was worthy of being like a no. 10-12 overall in a weak draft. five was a reach, but he's a big and it was a thin draft.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>going on.
>
>well for the record i did think he would be a solid starter
>and i am not entirely convinced he is a bum. 20/10, all star,
>blah blah, that is more than i thought of him. i figured he
>was worthy of being like a no. 10-12 overall in a weak draft.
>five was a reach, but he's a big and it was a thin draft.

That's the thing, he's not a legit big, he was trying to masquerade as one and got exposed

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on one hand, you could say he doesnt have a position and wont ever find one. on the other, adjusting your game is bound to bring growing pains, plus he played very little and was traded. i just say give him a full year in one place to really start making calls. sure, the 20/10 stuff looks foolish now, but not everyone is great right out of the box. we also know he has plenty of personal shit. i say give him a little space here, then drop the hammer later. patience, that other thread is archived.

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Hes got some tools, despite being undersized. He's big "enough" to use his quickness and quick feet - but he's gotta outwork guys. He's shown flashes of that over his *gasp* 1 season. But for him to really make it in the league he's going to have to play with unbridled energy and hustle.

Offensively he's gonna have to work on that jumpshot to stretch it out to 15 feet.

If he works on it he can do it. His boy Morris did it, Patrick Patterson did it.

We'll see. Houston may not be the ideal fit for him because I think right now Tjones and Montiejunas are a bit ahead of him development wise and have better size.

With that said, if he plays with energy and hustle he can be a pretty good bench big - maybe even a la Taj Gibson

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something you either have in you or you don't, you can't "develop" it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

He'll never be as good as faried in that sense.

I agree that for the most part you have to have it - but Trob has shown flashes of it in limited play in the NBA - and almost any scouting report you read about him prior talks about his high motor on the glass especially - and his work ethic. So in that sense im not just pulling it out my ass like saying Marcus Morris is a high motor guy.

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an undersized "big" with no J has no place in the NBA

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

but ill be damned if he hasnt grown height and weight wise.

Tropn measured at 6.75 and 240.

Seeing him on the court on TV next to our guys. Dude looks huge.

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that will give a 1st rder. via marc stein. No word on who yet. Im guessing its in the 20s

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