Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby Okay Sports topic #2096311

Subject: "NFL Draft 2013" Previous topic | Next topic
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"NFL Draft 2013"


  

          

as always, amateur thoughts with no personal training in football evaluation are provided free of charge. I'm still catching up on practically every position, but let's get this started.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top


Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Quarterback
Dec 21st 2012
1
Matt Barkley, USC (6'2, 220)
Dec 21st 2012
12
See: Sanchize, Leinart, etc.
Dec 21st 2012
15
I don't trust USC qbs at this point
Dec 21st 2012
22
      Basically
Dec 21st 2012
34
           10-12 years? Isn't sanchez the winningest postseason USC QB?
Dec 21st 2012
44
                lolololololololol....
Dec 22nd 2012
46
                Damn, you poured out some hot lava there
Jan 01st 2013
61
                Isn't Sanchez the winningest Jets QB of all time, too?
Feb 27th 2013
252
Dec 21st 2012
13
what I wonder about him is the role that scheme played in his
Jan 03rd 2013
80
      numbers-wise, he didn't even drop-off much in the second half
Jan 03rd 2013
85
Dec 21st 2012
14
Logan Thomas?
Dec 21st 2012
43
tight end
Jan 10th 2013
120
I actually still like him
Jan 23rd 2013
139
no way he plays qb in the L
Jan 24th 2013
145
Mike Glennon, NC State (6'6, 232)
Jan 24th 2013
141
EJ Manuel - Senior Bowl MVP
Jan 26th 2013
151
E.J. Manuel, Florida State (6'4, 237)
Mar 19th 2013
283
      I think he's a 1st rounder now, if EJ goes in the 1st round
Mar 28th 2013
306
      I keep hearing rumbling that the Eagles may take a flyer on him
Mar 28th 2013
310
      Sounds kinda like Kirk Cousins
Apr 03rd 2013
336
Landry Jones, Oklahoma (6'4, 218)
Feb 06th 2013
183
i see his high end potential as Elvis Grbac
Feb 07th 2013
186
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas (6'2, 218)
Feb 18th 2013
208
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse (6'3, 227)
Feb 22nd 2013
221
Matt Scott, Arizona (6'2, 213)
Mar 18th 2013
273
Zac Dysert, Miami-OH (6'3, 231)
Apr 03rd 2013
332
Running back
Dec 21st 2012
2
Giovani Bernard (UNC)
Dec 21st 2012
27
Giovani Bernard, UNC (5'10, 205)
Dec 21st 2012
41
What's your thoughts on Montee Ball
Dec 21st 2012
30
Will...Montee Ball?
Jan 03rd 2013
71
I'm getting to them all
Jan 03rd 2013
83
Montee Ball, Wisconsin (5'11, 215)
Jan 07th 2013
99
      nice analysis, thx
Jan 28th 2013
162
Are any college rbs starters in the L?
Jan 02nd 2013
63
starter or difference maker?
Jan 02nd 2013
65
      Diff maker. Doug Martin or better.
Jan 02nd 2013
67
           eh...not really then.
Jan 02nd 2013
68
                That sucks. There's about 7 teams that could use a dude like that.
Jan 02nd 2013
69
                I think you can find more "sleepers" at RB than any other position...
Jan 03rd 2013
75
                     It basically makes ZERO sense to draft a rb high.
Jan 03rd 2013
76
                     Foster was a total fuckup and underachiever in college, though
Jan 03rd 2013
77
                          You're exaggerating like always, his junior year was actually pretty...
Jan 03rd 2013
79
                               You're right. Talking to too many UT fans who hate him n/m
Jan 03rd 2013
81
                                    by "too many UT fans who hate him" I think you mean will_5198, lol
Jan 03rd 2013
82
                                         he was a CHOKE ARTIST
Jan 03rd 2013
84
                                              lol
Jan 03rd 2013
86
                Would a no-injury Marcus Lattimore qualify?
Jan 03rd 2013
74
                     I think so, but I think Non-Injury Andrew Bynum makes the 76ers a 4 seed
Jan 10th 2013
121
                          Bad analogy. n/m
Jan 11th 2013
128
Rex Burkhead, UNL
Jan 09th 2013
109
Rex Burkhead, Nebraska (5'11, 210)
Jan 21st 2013
132
      I think his excellent vision and his motor will help some as well
Jan 22nd 2013
137
      Can see him as one of those cookie-cutter New England backs.
Jan 24th 2013
142
           exactly same thing i said i can see him as a bootleg patrick pass
Jan 24th 2013
147
      RE: Rex Burkhead, Nebraska (5'11, 210)
Jan 24th 2013
146
Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State (6'1, 200)
Jan 10th 2013
115
i think you're selling his power a little bit short
Jan 10th 2013
118
Stepfan Taylor, Stanford (5'11, 215)
Jan 21st 2013
133
yeah supposedly his stock's rising at the senior bowl. n/m
Jan 24th 2013
143
      people that like him...*really* like him
Jan 24th 2013
144
           He's basically BenJarvus Green-Ellis with slightly better hands
Jan 24th 2013
148
                To be fair, most people said this about Ray Rice
Jan 28th 2013
161
Marcus Lattimore is targeting Week 1. Seems crazy.
Jan 24th 2013
149
Andre Ellington, Clemson (5'9, 195)
Feb 04th 2013
170
Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina (6'0, 218)
Feb 07th 2013
185
Christine Michael, Texas A&M (5'10, 221)
Feb 12th 2013
206
Le'Veon Bell, Michigan State (6'2, 244)
Feb 18th 2013
209
he ran a 4.6 at the combine..and he may be the #1RB right now
Mar 27th 2013
305
Wifffffff!!! lol
Oct 22nd 2017
362
Eddie Lacy, Alabama (6'0, 220)
Feb 19th 2013
210
D.J. Harper, Boise State (5'9, 205)
Feb 19th 2013
212
Spencer Ware, LSU (5'11, 225)
Feb 21st 2013
220
Kenjon Barner, Oregon (5'9, 188)
Feb 22nd 2013
222
don't disagree with any of this either
Feb 25th 2013
230
I swore he was on the 49ers already LOL, jk
Mar 28th 2013
307
Zac Stacy, Vanderbilt (5'8, 215)
Feb 25th 2013
234
Johnathan Franklin, UCLA (5'10, 205)
Feb 27th 2013
247
Kerwynn Williams, Utah State (5'8, 196)
Mar 01st 2013
256
Mike Gillislee, Florida (5'11, 208)
Mar 12th 2013
266
Chris Thompson, Florida State (5'7, 192)
Mar 12th 2013
271
Jawan Jamison, Rutgers (5'7, 203)
Mar 19th 2013
284
Ray Graham, Pittsburgh (5'9, 199)
Mar 20th 2013
288
Knile Davis, Arkansas (5'10, 227)
Mar 26th 2013
291
Theo Riddick, Notre Dame (5'10, 200)
Apr 01st 2013
329
Wide receiver
Dec 21st 2012
3
Marquise Lee
Dec 21st 2012
16
ineligible
Dec 21st 2012
19
      My bad nm
Dec 21st 2012
20
      Robert Woods, SC
Jan 10th 2013
123
Stedman Bailey, West Virginia (5'10, 195)
Dec 21st 2012
24
Dude Sounds Steve Smith-esque
Dec 21st 2012
35
Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
Dec 21st 2012
25
High production, low upside player
Jan 07th 2013
98
Connor Vernon, Duke University
Dec 21st 2012
39
Conner Vernon, Duke (6'1, 200)
Jan 10th 2013
117
Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee (6'3, 205)
Dec 22nd 2012
47
gimme gimme!
Jan 03rd 2013
89
      I can't wait to see how high he goes
Jan 04th 2013
92
           you think 12 is too high?
Jan 04th 2013
93
           DO WANT
Jan 09th 2013
108
           sheesh this kid is impressive
Jan 27th 2013
153
Tavon Austin, West Virginia (5'9, 174)
Jan 01st 2013
60
Brandon Coleman, Rutgers (6'6, 220)
Jan 04th 2013
91
What do you think of Mark Harrison?
Jan 08th 2013
102
yeah their quarterbacking was terrible
Jan 08th 2013
103
      I'm not sure, that's kind of what I was wondering
Jan 08th 2013
104
did he declare or stay?
Jan 27th 2013
154
      he's back
Jan 28th 2013
163
Keenan Allen
Jan 09th 2013
110
and you know Jerry Richardson loves them local connections
Jan 09th 2013
113
Keenan Allen, Cal (6'3, 210)
Jan 10th 2013
116
Robert Woods, USC (6'1, 190)
Jan 11th 2013
125
Deandre Hopkins
Jan 12th 2013
129
DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson (6'1, 205)
Jan 25th 2013
150
Terrance Williams, Baylor (6'2, 205)
Jan 21st 2013
131
Denard Robinson
Jan 23rd 2013
140
Why you mad?
Jan 28th 2013
159
Denard Robinson, Michigan (5'10, 197)
Mar 01st 2013
255
Aaron Dobson, Marshall (6'3, 203)
Jan 30th 2013
167
Markus Wheaton, Oregon State (5'11, 182)
Feb 04th 2013
171
Justin Hunter, Tennessee (6'4, 200)
Feb 11th 2013
194
Feb 12th 2013
202
Ryan Swope, Texas A&M (6'0, 205)
Mar 04th 2013
257
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas (6'1, 212)
Mar 04th 2013
261
Aaron Mellette, Elon (6'2, 217)
Mar 12th 2013
267
Chris Harper, Kansas State (6'1, 234)
Mar 20th 2013
289
Marquise Goodwin, Texas (5'9, 183)
Mar 26th 2013
292
Marquess Wilson, Washington State (6'2, 194)
Mar 26th 2013
295
Ace Sanders, South Carolina (5'7, 173)
Mar 27th 2013
297
Josh Boyce, TCU (5'11, 206)
Mar 27th 2013
298
Kenny Stills, Oklahoma (6'0, 194)
Apr 01st 2013
320
Tight end
Dec 21st 2012
4
Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame (6'6, 251)
Jan 28th 2013
155
I want this guy...safest pick for Carolina from a receiver perspective.....
Apr 15th 2013
354
Zach Ertz, Stanford (6'6, 252)
Jan 28th 2013
156
Jake Stoneburner, - The Ohio State University
Jan 28th 2013
160
unsurprisingly had a great combine
Feb 24th 2013
229
Travis Kelce, Cincinnati (6'6, 260)
Feb 06th 2013
181
RE: Travis Kelce, Cincinnati (6'6, 260)
Feb 23rd 2013
228
Gavin Escobar, San Diego State (6'6, 255)
Feb 06th 2013
182
Levine Toilolo, Stanford (6'8, 265)
Feb 12th 2013
203
Mychal Rivera, Tennessee (6'3, 237)
Feb 12th 2013
207
Joseph Fauria - UCLA 6'7 259
Feb 22nd 2013
225
He profiles better than he plays.
Feb 25th 2013
236
Dion Sims, Michigan State (6'4, 262)
Feb 25th 2013
237
Jordan Reed, Florida (6'2, 236)
Feb 27th 2013
249
Michael Williams, Alabama (6'5, 265)
Mar 04th 2013
260
Chris Gragg, Arkansas (6'3, 242)
Mar 05th 2013
264
Vance McDonald, Rice (6'4, 267)
Mar 19th 2013
285
Ryan Otten, San Jose State (6'5, 242)
Mar 27th 2013
299
Nick Kasa, Colorado (6'6, 269)
Apr 01st 2013
321
Offensive tackle
Dec 21st 2012
5
Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M (6'6, 310)
Dec 22nd 2012
48
Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6'8, 309)
Dec 22nd 2012
49
update since the outback bowl?
Jan 03rd 2013
87
      I still think Joeckel is better
Jan 03rd 2013
88
           moot point bwahahahaha
Jan 10th 2013
114
Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6'5, 305)
Jan 01st 2013
55
he's staying
Jan 04th 2013
94
      Damn
Jan 08th 2013
105
           leaning towards staying now
Jan 08th 2013
106
Lane Johnson, Oklahoma (6'6, 302)
Feb 05th 2013
177
Eric Fisher, Central Michigan (6'7, 305)
Feb 12th 2013
204
D.J. Fluker, Alabama (6'4, 355)
Feb 12th 2013
205
delete....wrong place
Feb 22nd 2013
224
Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff (6'4, 306)
Feb 25th 2013
238
Oday Aboushi, Virginia (6'5", 308)
Feb 25th 2013
242
A case of readjusting expectations.
Mar 04th 2013
258
Justin Pugh, Syracuse (6'4, 307)
Feb 27th 2013
250
Menelik Watson, Florida State (6'5, 310)
Mar 12th 2013
270
Damn
Apr 26th 2013
360
Reid Fragel, Ohio State (6'7, 308)
Mar 26th 2013
293
Xavier Nixon, Florida (6'6, 321)
Mar 27th 2013
300
David Bakhtiari, Colorado (6'4, 299)
Apr 01st 2013
322
Brennan Williams, UNC (6'6, 318)
Apr 01st 2013
323
Chris Faulk, LSU (6'5, 331)
Apr 03rd 2013
333
Offensive guard
Dec 21st 2012
6
Jonathan Cooper, UNC (6'3, 310)
Dec 21st 2012
26
No Chance Warmack?
Jan 03rd 2013
78
chance might be the best player in the draft
Jan 11th 2013
127
Chance Warmack, Alabama (6'3, 320)
Jan 21st 2013
130
Larry Warford, Kentucky (6'3, 333)
Feb 27th 2013
248
Kyle Long, Oregon (6'6, 313)
Mar 18th 2013
Kyle Long, Oregon (6'6, 313)
Mar 18th 2013
274
Brian Winters, Kent State (6'3, 320)
Mar 19th 2013
286
Dallas Thomas, Tennessee (6'5, 306)
Mar 26th 2013
294
Defensive end
Dec 21st 2012
7
Damontre Moore, Texas A&M (6'4, 250)
Dec 22nd 2012
51
Bjoern Werner, Florida State (6'4, 255)
Jan 01st 2013
56
His improvement from FROSH to Junior year is CRAZY
Jan 02nd 2013
70
Corey Lemonier, Auburn (6'4, 246)
Jan 09th 2013
112
Margus Hunt - 6'8", 275 SMU
Jan 26th 2013
152
He's definitely a project.
Feb 08th 2013
193
Ezekiel Ansah, BYU (6'5, 274)
Jan 30th 2013
165
Sam Montgomery, LSU (6'5, 260)
Jan 31st 2013
168
William Gholston, Michigan State (6'7, 278)
Feb 05th 2013
173
Michael Buchanan, Illinois (6'5, 252)
Feb 06th 2013
184
Datone Jones, UCLA (6'4, 280)
Feb 11th 2013
201
Alex Okafor, Texas (6'4, 261)
Feb 21st 2013
214
Tank Carradine, Florida State (6'4, 276)
Feb 25th 2013
235
Malliciah Goodman, Clemson (6'3, 276)
Mar 05th 2013
263
Devin Taylor, South Carolina (6'7, 275)
Mar 27th 2013
301
Quanterus Smith, Western Kentucky (6'5, 250)
Apr 01st 2013
324
Joe Kruger, Utah (6'6, 269)
Apr 04th 2013
337
Defensive tackle
Dec 21st 2012
8
Kyky Short? Purdue DLinemen are as close to a sure thing as it gets
Dec 21st 2012
31
Kawann Short, Purdue (6'3, 315)
Jan 01st 2013
54
      So, late first? Agree with assessment
Jan 02nd 2013
64
Big John Hankins!
Dec 21st 2012
32
Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State (6'3, 322)
Dec 22nd 2012
50
Sheldon Richardson
Jan 03rd 2013
72
Sheldon Richardson, Missouri (6'4, 295)
Jan 23rd 2013
138
Star Lotulelei, Utah (6'4, 320)
Jan 07th 2013
100
If he's there at #4, I'm going to beg the Eagles to take him
Jan 10th 2013
124
John Jenkins, Georgia (6'3, 359)
Jan 29th 2013
164
Sharrif Floyd, Florida (6'3, 303)
Feb 05th 2013
174
Bennie Logan, LSU (6'3, 295)
Feb 19th 2013
213
Sylvester Williams, UNC (6'2, 313)
Feb 21st 2013
215
Jesse Williams, Alabama (6'4, 320)
Feb 21st 2013
216
Jordan Hill, Penn State (6'1, 303)
Mar 18th 2013
275
Mar 28th 2013
314
Akeem Spence, Illinois (6'1, 305)
Mar 28th 2013
315
Josh Boyd, Mississippi State (6'2, 310)
Apr 01st 2013
325
Linebacker
Dec 21st 2012
9
Chase Thomas, Stanford (6'4", 248)
Dec 21st 2012
17
Limited athlete who relies on technique.
Jan 21st 2013
134
Kyle Van Noy
Dec 21st 2012
36
sounds about right.
Jan 04th 2013
90
Barkevious Mingo (6'5, 240)
Dec 21st 2012
42
Sean Porter, Texas A&M (6'2, 230)
Jan 01st 2013
57
Jarvis Jones, Georgia (6'3, 241)
Jan 09th 2013
111
Alec Ogletree, Georgia (6'3, 232)
Jan 21st 2013
135
Kevin Minter, LSU (6'2, 245)
Jan 21st 2013
136
Dion Jordan, Oregon (6'7, 243)
Jan 28th 2013
157
I was waiting for this...
Feb 07th 2013
192
pretty sure he just solidified himself for the top 15...
Feb 25th 2013
231
      and now he could end up as No 2 to the Jags!? damn
Mar 20th 2013
290
John Simon, Ohio State (6'1, 256)
Feb 05th 2013
175
Manti Te'o, Notre Dame (6'2, 255)
Feb 06th 2013
178
manti: i won't be benching
Feb 25th 2013
239
      most everyone shrinks at the Combine though
Feb 25th 2013
240
           RE: most everyone shrinks at the Combine though
Feb 25th 2013
241
Khaseem Greene, Rutgers (6'0, 236)
Feb 21st 2013
217
Arthur Brown, Kansas State (6'1, 231)
Feb 22nd 2013
223
You watch Kiko Alonso at all?
Feb 25th 2013
232
yep.
Feb 25th 2013
233
Kevin Reddick, UNC (6'1, 243)
Feb 27th 2013
251
Zaviar Gooden, Missouri (6'1, 234)
Mar 01st 2013
254
Jon Bostic, Florida (6'1, 246)
Mar 04th 2013
259
Brandon Jenkins, Florida State (6'2, 251)
Mar 12th 2013
268
He's a Defensive End, I guess in a 3-4 he could be called a LB tho
Mar 28th 2013
308
      Elvis Dumervil type
Mar 28th 2013
313
Jamie Collins, Southern Miss (6'3, 250)
Mar 18th 2013
276
Nico Johnson, Alabama (6'2, 248)
Mar 18th 2013
277
Jelani Jenkins, Florida (6'0, 243)
Mar 18th 2013
278
Keith Pough, Howard (6'2, 239)
Mar 18th 2013
279
Sio Moore, Connecticut (6'0, 240)
Mar 27th 2013
303
Gerald Hodges, Penn State (6'1, 239)
Mar 27th 2013
304
DeVonte Holloman, South Carolina (6'1, 246)
Mar 28th 2013
316
Kiko Alonso, Oregon (6'3, 235)
Apr 01st 2013
326
finally
Apr 01st 2013
331
Vince Williams, Florida State (6'0, 247)
Apr 01st 2013
327
Michael Mauti, Penn State (6'2, 232)
Apr 01st 2013
328
A.J. Klein, Iowa State (6'1, 250)
Apr 03rd 2013
334
Cornerback
Dec 21st 2012
10
Will Davis, Utah State (6'0, 186)
Dec 21st 2012
23
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (6'2, 185)
Jan 01st 2013
58
Dee Milliner, Alabama (6'1, 199)
Jan 08th 2013
101
Is #5 to the Lions too high?
Jan 10th 2013
119
I think you have to throw value charts out the window this year
Jan 10th 2013
122
I can't excuse using the #5 on Milliner. Many reasons.
Jan 11th 2013
126
I don't think he drops past us at #4
Mar 12th 2013
272
Xavier Rhodes, Florida State (6'2, 217)
Jan 31st 2013
169
Jordan Poyer, Oregon State (6'0, 182)
Feb 04th 2013
172
David Amerson, NC State (6'3, 194)
Feb 05th 2013
176
Tyrann Mathieu, LSU (5'9, 175)
Feb 11th 2013
198
Jamar Taylor, Boise State (5'10, 192)
Feb 19th 2013
211
Tharold Simon, LSU (6'3, 193)
Feb 21st 2013
218
Logan Ryan, Rutgers (6'0, 190)
Feb 26th 2013
244
Desmond Trufant, Washington (5'11, 190)
Mar 01st 2013
253
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut (6'1, 195)
Mar 12th 2013
269
Darius Slay, Mississippi State (6'0, 192)
Mar 18th 2013
280
Josh Johnson, Purdue (5'9, 199)
Mar 18th 2013
281
Greg Reid, Valdosta State (5'8, 190)
Mar 18th 2013
282
Nickell Robey, USC (5'7, 169)
Mar 26th 2013
296
Johnny Adams, Michigan State (5'10, 185)
Mar 27th 2013
302
Robert Alford, Southeastern Louisiana (5'10, 188)
Mar 28th 2013
317
D.J. Hayden, Houston (5'11, 191)
Apr 01st 2013
330
Shit, I just saw the Raiders were looking at this dude at #3...
Apr 25th 2013
356
      I saw him mocked to the Colts
Apr 25th 2013
357
           I wouldn't be mad at either DT or LT if they stay at 3.
Apr 25th 2013
358
                I'm hoping a trade down gets a 2nd
Apr 25th 2013
359
B.W. Webb, William & Mary (5'10, 184)
Apr 03rd 2013
335
Safety
Dec 21st 2012
11
Phillip Thomas, THE Fresno State University (6'1, 215)
Dec 21st 2012
18
hugefastballhawk_BakersfieldReprezent
Dec 21st 2012
21
Feb 11th 2013
196
Kenny Vaccaro?
Dec 21st 2012
29
Kenny Vaccaro, Texas (6'1, 218)
Jan 01st 2013
53
Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse (5'10, 206)
Dec 21st 2012
40
The Rams need him, Craig Dahl must go!
Jan 03rd 2013
73
will miss watching him, hope he makes it
Jan 08th 2013
107
      He just destroyed the Combine
Feb 26th 2013
243
Matt Elam, Florida (5'10, 202)
Dec 22nd 2012
52
T.J. McDonald, USC (6'3, 205)
Jan 01st 2013
59
Taylor Mays II
Mar 28th 2013
309
      I hope not, lol
Apr 27th 2013
361
Bacarri Rambo, Georgia (6'0, 210)
Jan 02nd 2013
62
Eric Reid, LSU (6'2, 212)
Jan 28th 2013
158
Shawn Williams, Georgia (6'0, 211)
Jan 30th 2013
166
Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International (6'0, 209)
Feb 06th 2013
179
J.J. Wilcox, Georgia Southern (5'11, 214)
Feb 06th 2013
180
D.J. Swearinger, South Carolina (6'0, 210)
Feb 11th 2013
195
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma (5'11, 212)
Feb 21st 2013
219
Robert Lester, Alabama (6'1, 220)
Mar 05th 2013
262
Zeke Motta, Notre Dame (6'2, 213)
Mar 05th 2013
265
Duke Williams, Nevada (6'0, 190)
Mar 19th 2013
287
Josh Evans, Florida (6'1, 207)
Apr 04th 2013
338
i love this post btw.
Dec 21st 2012
28
cosign
Dec 21st 2012
33
yup
Dec 22nd 2012
45
Yessir, Will is killing it.
Jan 02nd 2013
66
Yes
Feb 11th 2013
197
Special Teams
Dec 21st 2012
37
Riley Stephenson
Dec 21st 2012
38
lol brad wing is entering the draft? Punters foregoing eligibility now?
Jan 04th 2013
95
      wasn't he getting suspended / kicked out for weed?
Jan 05th 2013
96
           Now that you mention it, seems I remember him being suspended
Jan 05th 2013
97
Question:
Feb 07th 2013
187
for higher profile guys, I've watched enough of their games
Feb 07th 2013
188
      Where do you get the recorded TV broadcasts?
Feb 07th 2013
189
           full broadcasts are on Youtube
Feb 07th 2013
190
                Yeah, it definitely takes less time to evaluate basketball.
Feb 07th 2013
191
Question for will_5198
Feb 11th 2013
199
none for 2012
Feb 11th 2013
200
      you need to get paid for this shit
Feb 22nd 2013
226
           discretionary funds from wasted time on the internet is everyone's dream
Feb 22nd 2013
227
Combine notes:
Feb 26th 2013
245
lol @ both of these
Feb 27th 2013
246
Whew, would love if the Falcons picked up Mingo...
Mar 28th 2013
319
Will, who are your fast risers in the last month?
Mar 28th 2013
311
since the Combine...
Mar 28th 2013
312
      Great post, thank you.
Mar 28th 2013
318
      wow
Apr 15th 2013
349
Up
Apr 10th 2013
339
Rankings
Apr 15th 2013
340
Quarterback
Apr 15th 2013
341
Running Back
Apr 15th 2013
342
Wide Receiver
Apr 15th 2013
343
Tight End
Apr 15th 2013
344
Offensive Tackle
Apr 15th 2013
345
Offensive Guard
Apr 15th 2013
346
Defensive End
Apr 15th 2013
347
Defensive Tackle
Apr 15th 2013
348
Outside Linebacker
Apr 15th 2013
350
Inside Linebacker
Apr 15th 2013
351
Cornerback
Apr 15th 2013
352
Safety
Apr 15th 2013
353
      He's been out so long, I forgot all about Boyett
Apr 15th 2013
355

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:44 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
1. "Quarterback"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

It should be noted that my evaluations of this position are historically terrible. I watched about a dozen games per each of the top guys (intently), spread over the 2011-12 seasons, so I feel informed...but will still probably fuck these up.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:47 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
12. "Matt Barkley, USC (6'2, 220)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

I still like him. This was one of those seasons were everything snowballed, and a lot of his mistakes were him overcompensating for team flaws. Probably learned a lot from it, and his decision errors are correctable.

Mechanically, he's extremely thorough: footwork and drops are tight, he squares his shoulders on the move, and he's got a short, high release. Height and arm strength are not idealistic, although both are NFL-quality and his deep ball looked stronger than ever. Mentally, he's mature at reading progressions (although he will have lapses with locking on), is fearless in the pocket and knows how to position defenders with his eyes.

He may not be a savior, but I see him working hard enough to be a high-level caretaker who can make plays when needed.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
vik
Charter member
12912 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
15. "See: Sanchize, Leinart, etc."
In response to Reply # 12
Fri Dec-21-12 01:21 AM by vik

  

          

Overhyped, coddled, Hollywood media machine bullshit.

Thanks for the continued LULZ, Trojans!

But hell, what do I know?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15611 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
22. "I don't trust USC qbs at this point"
In response to Reply # 12


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
RexLongfellow
Charter member
18279 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
34. "Basically"
In response to Reply # 22


  

          

Their track record the last 10-12 years has been awful

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
KosherSam
Member since Mar 18th 2004
70131 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 07:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
44. "10-12 years? Isn't sanchez the winningest postseason USC QB?"
In response to Reply # 34


  

          

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 01:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
46. "lolololololololol...."
In response to Reply # 44


  

          

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
guru0509
Charter member
42053 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 02:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
61. "Damn, you poured out some hot lava there"
In response to Reply # 44


  

          


______________________
Young Jeezy- It's Tha World
Raekwon - Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Obie Trice - Cheers

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
likwit_crew
Charter member
5986 posts
Wed Feb-27-13 02:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
252. "Isn't Sanchez the winningest Jets QB of all time, too?"
In response to Reply # 44


  

          

_____________________________________________

Long Beach is the spot where I serve my caine - Snoop

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:50 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
13. ""
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

He ran really hot or cold this year. It may be a similar issue to Barkley, where the team's collapse had him trying to do too much. Either way, he's got NFL ability and no grave deficiencies. He isn't frayed by a collapsing pocket and steps up very well, although he can be oblivious to backside pressure and is careless securing the ball. Release, footwork and arm strength are all fine. He's a surgeon when throwing down the seams; a NFL tight end would do him wonders.

His deep ball can be strangely erratic though -- as in, "different zip code" erratic. West Virginia didn't move the pocket much, but he does throw well on the run. However, don't confuse that with attacking mobility: he can leg out a run to the sticks, but that's about it. I'd say his biggest issue is staying with his first read. College defenders started getting huge jumps on his throws because of that (NFL players will house those).

Not a superlative prospect, but a good one who has not yet maximized his talent.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15611 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 12:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
80. "what I wonder about him is the role that scheme played in his"
In response to Reply # 13


          

drop off the second half of the season.

It seems that opposing teams figured something out about WVU's O, and they never really adjusted. Or was it a deficiency on the QBs part? I tend to think the former, simply because of how big the drop-off was.

I could be wrong tho

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 01:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
85. "numbers-wise, he didn't even drop-off much in the second half"
In response to Reply # 80


  

          

he had the rough two-game stretch against Texas Tech and Kansas State, but after that it was business as usual in the Big 12 (minus the winning, because the defense was even worse).

him locking onto the first read was a serious problem tho. even if defenses have figured out tendencies, you can't stare a guy open -- move on or get rid of it. he's got to fix that, his sideline accuracy on deep passes and his awareness of backside pressure (Syracuse got two safeties from his obliviousness).

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:52 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
14. ""
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

Right now, he projects as a poor man's Jay Cutler. His main problem is a lack of anticipation; he needs to "see it" before he throws. That's a concern when NFL passing windows are open for a second or less, and why he makes a lot of mistakes against disguised coverages. He's got a strong arm but trusts it too much, a problem compounded by his Stafford-esque throwing slot. Although he had protection and weapons (Tennessee might have six NFL players from the 2012 offense), to his credit he's tough in the pocket and will stand and deliver.

Immature for the position, both in experience and attitude, but with a competitive drive and the skills to eventually start.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28144 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 06:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
43. "Logan Thomas?"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
BennyTenStack
Member since Sep 09th 2007
5681 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 07:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
120. "tight end"
In response to Reply # 43


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-23-13 04:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
139. "I actually still like him"
In response to Reply # 43


  

          

coming back was the right choice. he's an imposing, Cam/Luck physical presence who stands tall under pressure...while that doesn't completely mitigate his awful season, he's talented enough to repair his stock (a lot).

plus, Virginia Tech has been a retardant school for offensive skill position players. nobody gets developed there. so although Scot Loeffler has some shaky resume stops, he can't be much worse than past offensive coaches.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
28476 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
145. "no way he plays qb in the L"
In response to Reply # 43


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
141. "Mike Glennon, NC State (6'6, 232)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

More Nick Foles than Matt Ryan. He's largely a rhythm passer, and is best in a no-huddle, shotgun offense where he can keep firing rapidly. Good, not great, arm, but throws an extremely catchable ball. I'm a bit shocked at the six drops per game his receivers had, because his touch is mostly excellent.

His foremost problem, and it's a big one in the NFL, is how he degrades against pressure. He actually has the ability to sidestep and reset, but once he takes that *big* hit (or makes an awful decision), he'll feel ghosts for the rest of the game. That also contributes to how he reads progressions, which are often low-to-high instead of high-to-low. I realize he's a great intermediate passer, but seems too quick to check-down instead of seeing something develop behind it.

His inconsistent footwork and reads can be coached up, but his upside is limited to being a "system quarterback", one who is reliant on a certain type of offense and level of personnel to succeed (opposed to those who elevate their surroundings). meh.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Sat Jan-26-13 10:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
151. "EJ Manuel - Senior Bowl MVP"
In response to Reply # 1


          

I wonder if he'll be picked in the 1st round, I see at least 8 picks that could go QB!


After Holiday Sale, take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Spiewak, etc.
+ a full line of Women's wear (Jeffrey Campbell, etc.)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-19-13 01:20 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
283. "E.J. Manuel, Florida State (6'4, 237) "
In response to Reply # 151


  

          

Many scary habits, but he's more talented than every other quarterback in this draft. Great arm, perfect size, threatening mobility and plenty of experience (31 starts) *should* indicate a first round prospect, yet his projections vary wildly.

To me, his style of play is negatively unpredictable. At times he's robotic, trying to be over-precise with a simple throw or settling for pointless dump-offs. The next series he'll be off-kilter, abandoning his progressions to scramble wildly or forcing a throw into a dead read.

Accuracy-wise, his numbers are fantastic but he misses high too much (especially deep). Against pressure, he can make all the throws in a collapsed pocket -- the problem is when he's the one stepping into rushers. In general he could use his legs more wisely; there's a ton of scramble drill yardage he leaves on the field when he runs.

Talented guy, but he felt like less than the sum of his parts when watching him in college. If he can harness all his skills, consistently, he might be special. That's the second round gamble.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Thu Mar-28-13 10:17 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
306. "I think he's a 1st rounder now, if EJ goes in the 1st round"
In response to Reply # 283


          

we're gonna have to call Jimbo Fisher "The QB Whisperer".

And if Trickett gets drafted PERIOD, then Jimbo is the QB-BasedGod. That being said I hate Trickett.


After Holiday Sale, take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Spiewak, etc.
+ a full line of Women's wear (Jeffrey Campbell, etc.)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Dr Claw
Member since Jun 25th 2003
130139 posts
Thu Mar-28-13 11:00 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
310. "I keep hearing rumbling that the Eagles may take a flyer on him"
In response to Reply # 283


  

          

that write up gives me pause

but this team is basically "all new". I have no idea what Chip-ball will be.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Wed Apr-03-13 01:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
336. "Sounds kinda like Kirk Cousins"
In response to Reply # 283


  

          


uber talented underachiever

Who is clearly NFL starter material

He'll be fine

----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-06-13 11:07 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
183. "Landry Jones, Oklahoma (6'4, 218)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

Remember when he was a top ten pick? While projections don't always coincide with reality, his game hasn't really changed much. He's the same guy he was before, he just got dissected over three years instead of three months.

My biggest problem with him is how long he takes to process defenses. A lot of his career was spent throwing quick-hitters and screens, as directed by the sideline call. When he actually has to drop back and read through coverages, however, things fall apart. He doesn't anticipate well, his footwork is sloppy when moving around the pocket, and by the time he's realized his first option isn't available, he's got a defender breathing on him -- forcing him to throw up another lowlight-reel decision.

Even when he sets and throws in rhythm, a different flaw shows up: scattered accuracy. He leaves a ton of yards on the field by not hitting receivers in stride, and some of his uglier completions will be batted down or intercepted with NFL corners closing.

Now, there are successful NFL quarterbacks who have the same delay issues in the pocket, but they have other qualities to compensate. Elite arm strength (to force late throws into closing windows) or the mobility to escape. Jones has neither, with his arm being very much average and his deep ball dying on arrival. An elongated motion doesn't help.

So yeah, I'm not a big fan. Mid-rounds as a back-up on a good offense. Should he be forced into a spot start, he'll need weapons and protection.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37200 posts
Thu Feb-07-13 01:51 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
186. "i see his high end potential as Elvis Grbac"
In response to Reply # 183


          

Have for quite a while.

Don't disagree with any of this.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-18-13 02:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
208. "Tyler Wilson, Arkansas (6'2, 218)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

I don't like this guy either. Firstly, his footwork is miserable -- he floats into drops and short-steps most his throws. It's as if his upper and lower body are working independent of each other, leading to predictably sporadic accuracy. Decreases his velocity too.

That can be fixed, though. More troubling is how unsettled he became in the pocket. He's shotgun-reliant, and when pressure started closing in, he wasn't able to step around it. Dump-off or duck and run time. He was actually a bit better in 2011, and *does* stand and deliver against free rushers, but overall I didn't see much ability to slide around the tempestuous NFL pocket.

What also ended up happening, was he settled for a lot of shallow routes. I understand that Arkansas was running shorter concepts -- rubs, short outs and the like -- but even when given time, he left big plays on the field for a six-yard completion.

Some of those throws also had me questioning his vision. He doesn't disengage safeties, and sees the levels in progressions with very narrow vision. Basically, he can go high-med-low with the ball, but often to just one section of the field. I've seen safeties break from the far hash as soon as his head turns at the snap, because they know he won't come back to their side.

I guess if you're giving Matt Barkley a mulligan, Wilson deserves one for playing injured amid the absurdity of Arkansas' season. But I don't think he's a great prospect in the best conditions -- he needs a lot of development and has decent, not special, physical tools. Third or fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
221. "Ryan Nassib, Syracuse (6'3, 227)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

After getting over the shock that he was considered a legitimate prospect, there's actually plenty to like. His release is very quick, and his anticipation is great -- he puts the ball on receivers immediately out of their breaks. He also knows how to move defenders; his head fakes and stare-offs when scanning the field are impressive.

While he throws well in tight spaces, his movement in the pocket is a bit frenetic. Happy feet and double clutches. He steps up nicely under pressure, but his mechanics get sloppy when sliding to reset. Inconsistent accuracy when rolling outside the pocket.

His biggest and most limiting issue, though, is his arm strength. It's quite average, and several of his deep throws (especially to the sideline) have little velocity. Overall his arm is good enough to play, but he'll have trouble throwing into tight downfield windows.

Possible starter, but with low upside. Second or third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-18-13 12:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
273. "Matt Scott, Arizona (6'2, 213)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

He's fun to watch, with some projectable NFL skills amid his deficiencies. Very intriguing arm talent; his deep passes sail a bit, but he'll complete intermediate throws into shoebox windows. I'm not sure if he just trusts his arm that much, or doesn't know any better. His accuracy is not as impressive, however -- receivers are constantly adjusting to his simplest throws, preventing a ton of YAC.

Pocket presence is OK; he stands in against free rushers but the offense he played in was heavy on shotgun, quick throws and rollouts. Oh, and that'll be another issue -- Rich Rodriguez's system has produced Woody Dantzler, Pat White and Denard Robinson. His mobility is also curtailed by a rail-thin build; I'd be surprised if he played above 200 pounds last fall. You can't put him in the open field against NFL defenders, as the hits he takes in the pocket are scary enough.

Plenty to critique (he only started one season), but that's true for nearly any prospect at his position. As a developmental back-up though, he has more upside than most. Middle rounds (and trending higher).

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Apr-03-13 01:36 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
332. "Zac Dysert, Miami-OH (6'3, 231)"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

He can look really good and equally as bad, averaging out to development prospect status. His arm can play in the NFL, and he spins a well-arcing, catch-friendly deep ball. The height and size are there, he's comfortable rolling out to either side, and he keeps his head up when moving around the pocket.

He's *long* on his first read, though. Slow to recognize later progressions, eventually forcing throws that account for his worst decisions. He also plays with heavy feet. Three-step, five-step drop and he's good -- he throws pinpoint lasers over the middle. Not as pretty when he's resetting, or turning back around off play-action.

With his arm talent and ability to extend plays (right now, for better or worse), I see him in the fourth or fifth round. A stash that may become a viable back-up or low upside starter.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
2. "Running back"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Really weak year on paper, but maybe a couple guys to surprise. I think running back production is really based on opportunity these days, as most elite offenses treat hand-offs as a quota obligation.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
78325 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 02:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
27. "Giovani Bernard (UNC)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

he's already declared.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8746488/north-carolina-tar-heels-rb-giovani-bernard-declares-nfl-draft

thoughts?

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 03:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
41. "Giovani Bernard, UNC (5'10, 205)"
In response to Reply # 27


  

          

Cut-and-go runner who finishes with surprising power. There's not much you can really critique about him; his all-around game is quite balanced and he's an asset in all three phases of running back duties (rushing, receiving and protection). Very smooth in everything he does, whether it's setting up angles on screens or picking through trash and making that extra cutback.

I don't think he'll have an amazing track time, and there will be questions about his size despite being solidly built. A potential lead horse in a committee and at worst, a third down ace.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
temps2020
Member since Oct 21st 2003
8780 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 11:45 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
30. "What's your thoughts on Montee Ball"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

I think he can go late int he first depending on the combine but definitely 2nd. I am biased but I think he's going to be a good back in the pros.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
temps2020
Member since Oct 21st 2003
8780 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 09:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
71. "Will...Montee Ball?"
In response to Reply # 30


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 01:32 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
83. "I'm getting to them all"
In response to Reply # 71


  

          

eventually

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-07-13 06:42 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
99. "Montee Ball, Wisconsin (5'11, 215)"
In response to Reply # 30


  

          

Amazing at no particular trait, yet good enough at all of them. His leg drive lacks brute force...but he usually falls forward. He doesn't have premier agility...but his jump cut and spins are quick enough to beat defenders. He isn't a home run hitter...but attacks the second level with decisiveness, and can surprise with a long gain.

His best skill is balance, which he uses to break most of his tackles. Vision is good, not superlative, but his pad level makes him hard to target. You can't overlook the touchdowns, either -- converting goal-line chances is an underrated talent.

I actually don't knock him much for running behind NFL lines his whole career (and they weren't even dominant this season). Other college backs have done the same, with less comparable numbers. More concerning are the 950 touches he accumulated in Madison. And he'll need a high level tutorial in the passing game (shows capability as a receiver, but his pass protection is tentative at best).

His times might push him out of the top 50, but then again, I can see a team becoming enamored with his tape and production. Either way, he's a would-be upgrade for several backfields.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
temps2020
Member since Oct 21st 2003
8780 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 04:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
162. "nice analysis, thx"
In response to Reply # 99


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
63. "Are any college rbs starters in the L?"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
65. "starter or difference maker?"
In response to Reply # 63


  

          

with the NFL devaluing the position, you can start at running back while not making a huge impact. BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Shonn Greene, Vick Ballard, Mikel LeShoure, Alex Green, James Starks...etc. in the case of a superstar though, I'd say this draft is lacking at the position.

there are some guys I like, but most of them are ideal as number two backs or the fourth option on a stacked offense. kind of like Stevan Ridley -- he's a good back, but one-dimensional and benefiting from playing with the Patriots. put him on the Browns and all his numbers are cut in half.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:32 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
67. "Diff maker. Doug Martin or better. "
In response to Reply # 65


  

          

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:34 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
68. "eh...not really then."
In response to Reply # 67
Wed Jan-02-13 02:34 PM by will_5198

  

          

although I haven't seen everybody yet. actually, Bernard (above) can do a lot of Doug Martin things on the right team tho.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
69. "That sucks. There's about 7 teams that could use a dude like that."
In response to Reply # 68


  

          

Is Eddie Lacy the next in a long line of Crimson Tide 3 yard and a pile of dust rbs?

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
88919 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 11:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
75. "I think you can find more "sleepers" at RB than any other position..."
In response to Reply # 69


  

          

a guy may be stuck in a bad offense or behind a bad line in college and not able to show his full potential. You got a guy like Arian Foster who wasn't even drafted and he might be the 2nd best RB in the NFL...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 11:53 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
76. "It basically makes ZERO sense to draft a rb high."
In response to Reply # 75


  

          

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 11:59 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
77. "Foster was a total fuckup and underachiever in college, though"
In response to Reply # 75


  

          


He wasn't just a diamond in the rough.

He actually sucked.

----------------------------

Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/







O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                
ThaTruth
Charter member
88919 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 12:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
79. "You're exaggerating like always, his junior year was actually pretty..."
In response to Reply # 77


  

          

good, he came back and had a rough senior year, didn't work out at the combine then ran a 4.7 at his pro day. But he's still the #2 all-time rusher in UT history so to say he "sucked" is a bit extreme

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                    
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 12:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
81. "You're right. Talking to too many UT fans who hate him n/m"
In response to Reply # 79


  

          

>good, he came back and had a rough senior year, didn't work
>out at the combine then ran a 4.7 at his pro day. But he's
>still the #2 all-time rusher in UT history so to say he
>"sucked" is a bit extreme


----------------------------

Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/







O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
88919 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 01:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
82. "by "too many UT fans who hate him" I think you mean will_5198, lol"
In response to Reply # 81


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 01:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
84. "he was a CHOKE ARTIST"
In response to Reply # 82


  

          

I love how he never fumbles in the NFL

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                                
ThaTruth
Charter member
88919 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 02:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
86. "lol"
In response to Reply # 84


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 11:22 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
74. "Would a no-injury Marcus Lattimore qualify? "
In response to Reply # 68


  

          


Just curious

----------------------------

Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/







O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
Bombastic
Charter member
88860 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 07:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
121. "I think so, but I think Non-Injury Andrew Bynum makes the 76ers a 4 seed"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Fri Jan-11-13 10:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
128. "Bad analogy. n/m"
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
DeepAztheRoot
Member since Dec 19th 2003
13973 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 07:56 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
109. "Rex Burkhead, UNL"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

<-Fear Ameer

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
132. "Rex Burkhead, Nebraska (5'11, 210)"
In response to Reply # 109


  

          

Semi-pro player. Productive in college, but he lacks NFL power, acceleration and cutting ability. If he's not running downhill his options are extremely limited. Not a creator when trapped or someone who can get to the edge.

Good receiver, though. That might get him on a roster.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
DeepAztheRoot
Member since Dec 19th 2003
13973 posts
Tue Jan-22-13 07:35 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
137. "I think his excellent vision and his motor will help some as well"
In response to Reply # 132


  

          

thanks for this

<-Fear Ameer

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
142. "Can see him as one of those cookie-cutter New England backs. "
In response to Reply # 137


  

          


n/m

----------------------------

Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/







O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
28476 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
147. "exactly same thing i said i can see him as a bootleg patrick pass "
In response to Reply # 142


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
28476 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
146. "RE: Rex Burkhead, Nebraska (5'11, 210)"
In response to Reply # 132
Thu Jan-24-13 03:43 PM by JAESCOTT777

  

          

I watched pretty muuch every game he played at Lincoln

He has good hands a willing blocker

underrated cutting ability

is best between the tackles but doesnt have the size to make a living off of it

and being only 210 he isnt really that fast either
(at least to my eyes maybe he can run a good 40 at the combine)

has really good hands
and he is a solid blocker

I think he can be a decent 3rd running back in the danny woodhead mold

Patrick Pass is his ceiling

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 11:43 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
115. "Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State (6'1, 200)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Upright, narrowly built runner who will help in the passing game. He's decent between the tackles as a one-cut, north-only runner (who runs south?), but his acceleration is average and he can't make multiple moves without slowing his feet down too much. No power in his legs and his pad level gets him tackled weakly.

That said, he gets a big upgrade in the aerial game. Fluid receiver in the flats and down the seams; he's capable of running advanced routes in time. Hands-catcher. Maybe most importantly, he's an anchor in pass protection who meets rushers in their lanes.

Flawed like most backs in this class, but his strength on third downs is something all NFL teams can use. Mid-rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37200 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 06:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
118. "i think you're selling his power a little bit short"
In response to Reply # 115


          

but otherwise, accurate.

reminds me a bit of demarco murray. maybe just because i saw a lot of both.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:49 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
133. "Stepfan Taylor, Stanford (5'11, 215)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

A churner who can play three downs, but you're leaving yards on the field relying on him for more than back-up duties. Quick feet and vision are his assets, he simply lacks the burst to create dynamic plays in the running game. Will get what's blocked and not much more. Mid-rounds based off collegiate resume.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Flash80
Member since Jan 03rd 2007
6953 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
143. "yeah supposedly his stock's rising at the senior bowl. n/m"
In response to Reply # 133


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
144. "people that like him...*really* like him"
In response to Reply # 143


  

          

giving out high second round grades and whatnot. I don't see the burst or suddenness worthy of a top 50 pick, but I've been blatantly wrong about running backs before.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
MothershipConnection
Member since Nov 22nd 2003
7498 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 03:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
148. "He's basically BenJarvus Green-Ellis with slightly better hands"
In response to Reply # 144


  

          

I doubt he'll be a star but he'll probably stick around a bit.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52553 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 04:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
161. "To be fair, most people said this about Ray Rice"
In response to Reply # 148
Mon Jan-28-13 04:07 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

There's a lot to be said for being durable, sturdy,
with good balance, good hands and above average vision

Non-Peterson running backs are mostly good because
of these characteristics

Jamal Charles and Chris Johnson have olympic speed,
but other than them the elite NFL backs are good
because they are solid and balanced

Dunno if Stefan Taylor qualifies but he's a lot closer
to Ray Rice as a prospect than we seem to think

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Thu Jan-24-13 04:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
149. "Marcus Lattimore is targeting Week 1. Seems crazy. "
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

I don't know what the fuck they're doing with medicine now.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-04-13 01:39 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
170. "Andre Ellington, Clemson (5'9, 195)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

The rare case of a running back who benefited from returning to school. He's matured into the position and is a more consistent, well-rounded player. Mostly an outside speed back as an underclassmen, now he looks to cut inside first, showing much better lean and pad level. This year he took it a step further, breaking second level tackles that he never did before.

He's still retained his wiggle in the open field, with good burst and straight-line speed. It's just now those runs come naturally, instead of being forced. Solid receiver who will be fine for swing passes and screens. He does lack bulk, which may limit him some in the NFL. He's also a "whoops" blocker in pass protection: right assignment, wrong technique. He reaches at rushers and doesn't anchor with a strong base.

Best for zone blocking as a cutback runner, he's going to be a good value in the middle rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-07-13 01:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
185. "Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina (6'0, 218)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

The knee injuries sucked, mainly because he wasn't that fast to begin with. If you go back and watch his freshman season, he was never a guy who outran angles -- against Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Auburn (twice), he only had three carries of 20 yards or more.

He's always been a power back, but with exceptional lateral ability. At his best he makes hard, decisive cuts, giving him room to evade and slice through the line of scrimmage. That trait is now in question with new ligaments in both legs. An accelerated recovery and the recent play of Jamaal Charles -- who relies on quick cuts as much, he just finishes with speed instead of power -- are encouraging, but anecdotal until Lattimore can show it himself.

Should he prove healthy, he'll first settle in as a short-yardage runner. He's unbelievable in goal-to-go situations: gets small, finds invisible creases and slides under tackles with stupefying balance. Even if he never regains feature back ability, he can become an automatic touchdown inside the five.

Although he starts and finishes with good pad level, he runs tall in-between those transitions. Big target for defenders. I'm not sure how much he can do about that, but it's another worry with his history. Adequate receiver who makes all the catches he's supposed to. He could stand to get better in pass protection -- he's great with assignments, only OK at finishing blocks. I guess a silver lining to his injuries is that Spurrier would've put 500 more touches on him if allowed to.

He'd be best on a team that can afford to stash him, similar to how Baltimore worked in Bernard Pierce this past season (or New England with Stevan Ridley in 2011). Pending medical clearance, somebody will bite by the third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
206. "Christine Michael, Texas A&M (5'10, 221)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

He's been a legit prospect since he stepped on campus, but it's been a bizarre route getting to the draft. I remember watching him as a freshman in A&M's bowl game against Georgia -- only 19 years old, running over and around future NFL starters (Geno Atkins, Justin Houston, Akeem Dent, Reshad Jones).

That was the last and only time he finished a season. He broke his leg as a sophomore, tore his ACL as a junior, and was benched as a senior after clashing with Sumlin. The medical history alone is alarming, but combined with new character flags (suspended for the opener, then got on Twitter during the game and told Sumlin to "run the ball") and his risk level is at code red.

Watching him run, though, and you start to forget all of that. He's a compact guy who runs with quick, short steps and bursts through the line. He also makes hard cuts -- able to make defenders at all three levels miss -- and plays with good pad level. It's hard to get a clean shot on him. Against Arkansas, his junior year? That was a NFL running back.

If you add up all the strikes (he was also never the feature runner, splitting time as Cyrus Gray's back-up before his lost final season), he'll definitely go lower than his talent suggests. But I'm still a fan. He's probably the best candidate to "surprise" at his position, should he end up with the right team. Mid-rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-18-13 02:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
209. "Le'Veon Bell, Michigan State (6'2, 244)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

He's got a low ceiling as a feature runner, but I like his style. He's a huge guy -- you hardly see backs built like him anymore -- but his feet are light. Cuts are quick enough, and his vision is good. Adequate receiver (albeit with some awful performances mixed in).

Speed is lacking, though. Probably a 4.7 guy. His pad level also needs to get better in the open field, as NFL linebackers are much stronger than the college ones he shrugged off. And he fits best in a power, man-blocking scheme -- he lost a little something when Michigan State ran their zone plays.

He doesn't have big play or much third down ability, but could find his place as a grinder between the tackles. Mid-rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Warren Coolidge
Charter member
41963 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:55 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
305. "he ran a 4.6 at the combine..and he may be the #1RB right now"
In response to Reply # 209


  

          

if the Rams could use their 2 1st picks on Vacarro and Leveon Bell....then their 2nd on a WR.... we'd be super straight.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Sun Oct-22-17 10:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
362. "Wifffffff!!! lol"
In response to Reply # 209


          


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg


[font size=4 font color="green"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-19-13 04:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
210. "Eddie Lacy, Alabama (6'0, 220)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

He's got some talent, but it's hard for me to separate his production from his offensive line. I can't say he has great vision, because he had about four different seal blocks to choose from on every run. He broke tackles, but he also was able to charge downhill without being touched near the line of scrimmage. He burst into the second level quickly, but then again, most of his running lanes were ridiculously massive.

I will credit him with nimble feet; he plants and accelerates better than I assumed (shocking, since he looked like he was pulling a sled in the 2011 BCS title game). He also finishes runs with power, although he runs extremely upright. Just kind of there as a receiver.

His 40 time could push him up or down 15 picks, but isn't relevant otherwise. He's a hammer, not a long speed guy. I'm wary of his running style without a dominating offensive line, but I'm sure he'll be gone before the second round ends.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-19-13 04:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
212. "D.J. Harper, Boise State (5'9, 205)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

It's weird, he runs tall for his height, and negates the advantages of being a smaller back. Stepper, not a cutter, through lanes, which prevents him from maximizing his solid vision. Powerless and lacking great speed. Not the greatest route-runner but he makes nice adjustments to throws (hands look a tad small, though).

Maybe a team's third back if he can cover on special teams.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-21-13 05:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
220. "Spencer Ware, LSU (5'11, 225)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Bores me to tears. He can't create space for himself, and screeches to a stop when making his wide, exaggerated cuts. Little burst through the hole. Tries to bounce many of his runs outside, which is absurd for a guy who can't win the corner against college defenders. Not even that powerful when he stays inside, either.

He can pass protect and ably catches dump-offs, but that doesn't make up for the wasted carries you’d be using on him as a runner. UFA.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
222. "Kenjon Barner, Oregon (5'9, 188)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Darting, slippery runner who was helped immensely by scheme. He earned his yardage in chunks, mostly due to Oregon's extreme spacing and misdirection. Those overloads (and huge lanes) will not be there in the NFL.

Quicker than fast, his lack of power is another problem. His leg drive is particularly weak, and he doesn't possess the game-breaking speed to make up for that. Receiving value is there, but he rarely pass protected and doesn't look to have the strength to anchor.

Overall, a very narrow skill set. Sixth or seventh round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
sfMatt
Member since Jun 20th 2002
10381 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 12:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
230. "don't disagree with any of this either"
In response to Reply # 222


  

          

He's a good dude with speed. He won't get down on his situation. He'll have a chance as a slot player somewhere... and he can be useful on special teams - even as a gunner.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Thu Mar-28-13 10:19 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
307. "I swore he was on the 49ers already LOL, jk"
In response to Reply # 222


          


After Holiday Sale, take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Spiewak, etc.
+ a full line of Women's wear (Jeffrey Campbell, etc.)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
234. "Zac Stacy, Vanderbilt (5'8, 215)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Very fun to watch as a runner, despite his lack of physical gifts. He's not fast, he's not big, and his acceleration and cuts are average...so every yard he gets is hard-earned. He does it by pressing the narrowest of lanes, squeezing through with great body lean -- a low, shifty style that's hard to square up. He always seems to fall forward as well.

The kind of player you target in the last 50 picks or as a high-priority free agent. If he gets into camp, he could be hard to cut.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-27-13 01:52 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
247. "Johnathan Franklin, UCLA (5'10, 205)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Another good, not great, running back prospect. His feet are his strongest attribute (he slides them well), and he uses great balance to extend runs. Solid burst and speed. I think his vision is closer to average, though. He bounces off-tackle a lot.

Wasn't asked to do much as a receiver last season; basically swing passes and little five-yard option routes. Catches the ball fine. I would like to see less hesitation in pass protection, as he waits on blitzers at times.

From most accounts he's a high character guy, which is a great bonus. Third round as a secondary back.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Mar-01-13 12:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
256. "Kerwynn Williams, Utah State (5'8, 196)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

He tries to run around most defenders, and he's not that kind of fast. But he's got a nice burst. If he sticks to exploiting inside seams, he has a third-down future, since he catches everything thrown with reasonable accuracy.

Similar to Kenjon Barner in his limitations, although Williams shows more responsibility in protection and finishes inside runs a shade better. Sixth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-12-13 01:41 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
266. "Mike Gillislee, Florida (5'11, 208)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Not a big back, but relies on an inside running style. He's tougher than you'd expect; keeping between the tackles and making compact cuts. Lacks great speed and looks ordinary when trying to get to the corner. Not much of a tackle breaker.

Although he played a full season, he was rather beat up and took some hits that forced him out of games early. I'd question how durable his frame and style will be against NFL defenders. He's also merely adequate on third downs -- not really a receiving, make-you-miss-in-space back -- which will limit his availability. Sixth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-12-13 01:50 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
271. "Chris Thompson, Florida State (5'7, 192)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Damn, I thought he'd gotten a waiver for another year. He should have, since he's been very unfortunate with injuries, fracturing two vertebrae in 2011 and tearing his ACL last October.

When healthy though, he showed Tavon-Austin-esque potential in the open field. Video game cuts with very good acceleration and excellent receiving skills. He might not have been quite as fast or quick as Austin, but definitely finished runs stronger. Before the ACL injury, I thought he had a great chance to find a third-down, special teams role as a dynamic match-up player.

Unfortunately he can't make an impression during testing, and medical clearance will be an issue (the spinal injury nearly forced him to leave football). Maybe seventh round, but more likely a high priority free agent. I'd love to get him into camp and see if he can contribute.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-19-13 01:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
284. "Jawan Jamison, Rutgers (5'7, 203)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

The back-up for your back-up. He runs tough for his size, bouncing off bad tackle attempts, and adds a dimension in the passing game with his downfield routes. Natural hands-catcher.

Unfortunately, he lacks the burst to get through narrow, NFL running lanes before they close. That basically puts him on third down duty, without the explosive element other smaller backs offer. Late rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-20-13 03:50 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
288. "Ray Graham, Pittsburgh (5'9, 199)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

Man, he looked promising in 2011. Not a burner or pile-mover, he got his yards using explosive cutting ability -- beating angles with multiple jump cuts (without losing speed). A quicker, better-receiving version of Montee Ball.

Since coming back from the ACL tear, however, there's only been flashes of the same ability. Which is expected. I'm betting on a full return in 2013, and combined with his excellent receiving ability (great hands and body control), this is a three-down back who'd fit well in a pass-first attack with lots of spacing. Bargain in the mid-rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-26-13 12:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
291. "Knile Davis, Arkansas (5'10, 227)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

I'm not very high on him. He's an upright, cutback runner who doesn't play as fast as he times or as big as he weighs.

Even disregarding last year's slow return from his 2011 injury (the third time he's broken an ankle), he showed the same limitations as a sophomore -- getting stood up by linebackers, and not turning the corner like you'd expect from a 4.3 back. His small hands could also be an issue, as he fumbled a lot in college, often from soft contact. You can't play if you can't hold on to a football.

Not my style, but he'll go on the higher side of the middle rounds based off size-speed.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:53 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
329. "Theo Riddick, Notre Dame (5'10, 200)"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

He's extremely limited as a NFL runner, but I like him as a utility player. With the ball in his hands, he shows good leg drive and quickness, but runs tall and isn't that fast or strong. He started two years as a receiver though, so his route tree from the backfield is unusually varied -- very helpful for his third down aspirations. He's also been a kick returner, and could probably cover on returns.

A fringe, seventh-round-type, but he can back-up several positions and maybe save you a roster spot.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
3. "Wide receiver"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
vik
Charter member
12912 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
16. "Marquise Lee"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

But hell, what do I know?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:14 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
19. "ineligible"
In response to Reply # 16


  

          

I think it's kinda pointless to talk about them at this point. well, not pointless, but there's enough draftable prospects I'm trying to figure out and that's my (valid) excuse.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
vik
Charter member
12912 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:16 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
20. "My bad nm"
In response to Reply # 19
Fri Dec-21-12 01:22 AM by vik

  

          

f$c tho

But hell, what do I know?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Bombastic
Charter member
88860 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 08:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
123. "Robert Woods, SC"
In response to Reply # 19


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:36 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
24. "Stedman Bailey, West Virginia (5'10, 195)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Love this guy. He's got the ability to become an elite second receiver, who can also play all three positions. His height will be a knock but he plays much taller, thanks to long arms and power mitts for hands. Smooth, effortless routes and real YAC ability (he dusted Morris Claiborne more than a couple times). He's a sneaky red-zone target, a box cutter against zones and despite not being a true burner, he can work outside against big corners. Hell, he even blocks decently.

A must-have second rounder to me.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
RexLongfellow
Charter member
18279 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
35. "Dude Sounds Steve Smith-esque"
In response to Reply # 24


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
V3rb
Member since Jul 20th 2008
7675 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
25. "Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech "
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

http://hypevercab.bandcamp.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-07-13 06:40 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
98. "High production, low upside player"
In response to Reply # 25


  

          

He ideally fits as your third outside receiver. Very natural when adjusting to passes, showing off a great wingspan and catching with his hands. NFL height (6'2, 195), with room to add weight on his rangy frame. Competitive guy who finds a way to produce.

He's limited by his lack of explosiveness, though. Route-running needs consistency -- some are exceptional, others just OK, and he doesn't have the separation ability to be less than perfect. Otherwise, corners are going to press and camp on him because he lacks runaway speed. If he tightens up his routes, he'll have a chance on deep plays due to his ball skills. Possibly top 150 if his timed speed is near acceptable.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
83036 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
39. "Connor Vernon, Duke University"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

I would put my two cents in, but I love this guy far too much to be remotely objective.

For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 05:45 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
117. "Conner Vernon, Duke (6'1, 200)"
In response to Reply # 39


  

          

He could latch on as a fifth receiver somewhere. His hands are reliable, never fighting catches and tracking deep passes exceptionally well. Special teams value on punts, which will be important for him. He'll move inside in the NFL, but has better size than a lot of receivers at the end of a rotation. Not always enthusiastic about blocking.

Late rounds or a priority free agent unless he burns up the track.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 02:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
47. "Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee (6'3, 205)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Maybe the most intriguing prospect in the draft. I'd argue he's the best athlete available: his cuts, speed and acceleration are insane from his height/weight ratio. He'll help immediately on punt and kick returns, a legitimate home run threat on every touch.

The thing is, he's raw. Painfully so. I wouldn't even call what he does route-running, it's more like being in the vicinity of a designated area. His hands and focus are equally maddening; he'll make an amazing catch, then drop an easy touchdown. He hasn't had a lot of high-level coaching (sat out a year and played JUCO in 2011), but does he possess the drive to refine his skills, or will he become a package-player only?

It's a risk, but this draft is devoid of superstars, and he's potentially one of them. If you can afford to be patient, the reward might be the best offensive player of the entire draft.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 02:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
89. "gimme gimme!"
In response to Reply # 47


  

          

I'll take his teammate too.

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Jan-04-13 11:06 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
92. "I can't wait to see how high he goes"
In response to Reply # 89


  

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6pGFvDqt0

NFL coaches are pretty self-confident they can teach technique, and the upside is ridiculous. He's a top percentile talent in the open field.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Fri Jan-04-13 04:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
93. "you think 12 is too high?"
In response to Reply # 92
Fri Jan-04-13 04:23 PM by LBs Finest

  

          

fuck it, might as well reach, shit if michael floyd can go top 15 then so can Patterson.

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
78325 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 04:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
108. "DO WANT"
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

i mean, even if we did draft him he'd suck because were the Titans. but i can dream right?

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
HecticHavoc
Member since May 13th 2005
7296 posts
Sun Jan-27-13 04:24 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
153. "sheesh this kid is impressive"
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

didnt really know how good this guy was til the video. lol @ him just embarrassing Mississippi St in that highlight.

looks like a first round lock to me but it IS a highlight vid. but usually when guys are running sideline to sideline untouched 50 yard touchdowns they play well on Sundays a few years later.

his return game skills was the most surprising to me.

-----------------------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 01:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
60. "Tavon Austin, West Virginia (5'9, 174)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

A wind-up toy for offensive coordinators. No linebacker or safety wants to get isolated against him in space, not with his acceleration, so he can govern defensive personnel if used creatively. Downsides: small target for quarterbacks, can't break outside press, and is easy to bring down once you put hands on him (that's the problem, though).

You could run him out of the backfield like Sproles or a good version of Danny Woodhead, then play match-ups in the slot and let him bend zones until they snap. The return ability is a bonus.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Jan-04-13 10:53 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
91. "Brandon Coleman, Rutgers (6'6, 220)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Talent-wise, he's in-between Calvin Johnson and Stephen Hill. Large disparity, I know, but you see shadows of both from him -- he's a huge target who can fly downfield, but is raw in his receiver technique. He extends his hands much better than Hill ever did, although he still lets too many passes into his body. Great long speed; give him space to gear up and you'll be chasing his back numbers.

The negatives: misuses his size at times, especially when shielding defensive backs, and runs a basic route tree with inexperienced precision. His agility is also average in tight quarters. However, he's started for just two years, so I expect exponential improvement in the future.

A legit number one receiver prospect. He'll be a huge wild card if he declares -- the combine should push him up a half-round, minimum -- as this is an unsettled draft for his position.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37200 posts
Tue Jan-08-13 05:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
102. "What do you think of Mark Harrison?"
In response to Reply # 91


          

Rutgers had more size at WR than most NFL teams.

Would've loved to see them with a QB superior to Nova, which is pretty much all QBs.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-08-13 05:34 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
103. "yeah their quarterbacking was terrible"
In response to Reply # 102


  

          

is Harrison draftable? I'm still watching Jamison, Greene and Ryan

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37200 posts
Tue Jan-08-13 05:49 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
104. "I'm not sure, that's kind of what I was wondering"
In response to Reply # 103


          

big guy, decent hands, not much wiggle.

i'm thinking his size alone gets him a look.

doesn't have anywhere near the upside or skills that Coleman does, but he's a big strong target.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Sun Jan-27-13 05:30 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
154. "did he declare or stay?"
In response to Reply # 91


  

          

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 08:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
163. "he's back"
In response to Reply # 154


  

          

good move. his numbers will probably stay inconsistent, but he can improve on a lot of things regardless. plus he has size that Sammy Watkins and Marqise Lee can't match.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
ChampD1012
Member since Sep 27th 2003
8280 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 10:46 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
110. "Keenan Allen"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Carolina has to replace Steve Smith eventually and he might be there at 14...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
78325 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 01:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
113. "and you know Jerry Richardson loves them local connections"
In response to Reply # 110


  

          

might have that boy filming Bojangles commercials on draft day lmao.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 11:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
116. "Keenan Allen, Cal (6'3, 210)"
In response to Reply # 110


  

          

I wouldn't draft him as a number one receiver. He's a big target and does some nice things, but the totality of his game isn't impressive. In the good column, he's a versatile player who lines up in the slot or outside, showing a great release when pressed. Wins jump balls and adjusts well to most passes (which were often off-target in his career). Has some cutting ability for YAC.

Lots of other traits bother me. He's a long-strider who takes awhile to get up to speed, and his balance after the catch is awful at times. Lapses in awareness, whether it's running short of the sticks on third down or unnecessarily stepping out of bounds. He'll also put some easy catches on the turf, and is a little soft for his size (gets redirected too much).

He should improve with competent quarterbacking -- something he didn't enjoy at Cal -- but is not a centerpiece to build a passing game around. An in-betweener who is better than several twos but not a clear top dog.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Jan-11-13 11:30 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
125. "Robert Woods, USC (6'1, 190)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Decisive route-runner who'll make his money underneath and on third downs. He can make hard cuts or stops at any level of the route tree, with great body control. I think the fade is his best route; he dominates corners with that one.

Mostly reliable hands (drops come on transition moves) with excellent extension. Not a home-run hitter after the catch, but he can do some damage laterally. There are instances where he can't get separation over the top, so I'm interested to see his times -- although that won't be his game in the NFL anyway. Tough player who blocks downfield and played most of his sophomore season with an ankle injury that needed surgery.

Production dipped because he switched positions with Marqise Lee and was not force-fed the ball like in 2011, which he was somewhat bitter about. He'll have to get used to it though, because he's ideally a number two in the NFL. Second round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
tomjohn29
Member since Oct 18th 2004
16395 posts
Sat Jan-12-13 01:36 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
129. "Deandre Hopkins"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

______________________________________

Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Jan-25-13 03:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
150. "DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson (6'1, 205)"
In response to Reply # 129


  

          

A very smart, consistent option who outplays his size and speed. He's a natural route-runner who gears up and down quickly, finding holes in zones and getting separation in man with crisp breaks. Even without elite speed, he puts a lot of pressure on defensive backs because his uniformity off the line of scrimmage. Streaks, double moves (which he's awesome at), corners and comebacks all look the same before his breakdown.

He also has great awareness in the open field. Again, he doesn't have highlight-reel elusiveness, but knows where defenders will be -- turning and cutting aggressively to find the sticks. His wingspan is perfect for sideline throws, and he extends for everything over the middle. Strong hands, although he'll drop or trap passes now and then.

Needs some strength and better hand usage against physical corners. Against FSU, Xavier Rhodes basically erased him by playing tough press coverage. A little more weight and technique will prevent him from getting bullied into the boundary.

Big enough, fast enough, and with a polished game that can help nearly every team. Late first or early second.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
131. "Terrance Williams, Baylor (6'2, 205)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

First rounder when it comes to catching deep passes, and a fifth rounder at doing anything else. He's got deceptive build-up speed, but what really stands out is his concentration on sideline catches. His hands, feet and body control are insane when pinned against the boundary, coming down with highlight grabs routinely.

Too bad he's not great at much else. He runs routes without nuance and his transitions are ugly. Makes some bad drops, especially on soft-contact by defenders. He's also not physical or especially elusive. A one-trick pony, but he's great at that one trick.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
guru0509
Charter member
42053 posts
Wed Jan-23-13 04:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
140. "Denard Robinson"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

lol
______________________
Young Jeezy- It's Tha World
Raekwon - Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Obie Trice - Cheers

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Ceej
Member since Feb 16th 2006
65621 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 03:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
159. "Why you mad?"
In response to Reply # 140


  

          

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Mar-01-13 12:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
255. "Denard Robinson, Michigan (5'10, 197)"
In response to Reply # 140


  

          

Really intriguing at the right price. You're betting on his athleticism, with no guarantees he'll ever develop into a slot receiver (or wherever you see him playing). He may not even have a full-time position. Devin Hester never found one. Dexter McCluster is still looking.

To me, his ability in space is worth looking into. Punt returns, screens, gadget plays...even as the last man in a receiving corps, that flexibility could be a huge value. And who knows? Maybe he becomes something more than that.

Of course, there's a reasonable chance he never makes any NFL contribution, but that's true for the majority of players taken outside the top 100. Fifth or sixth round? I'd be interested.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-30-13 10:20 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
167. "Aaron Dobson, Marshall (6'3, 203)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

He looks NFL, but his moments are sporadic. Nicely sized, arms-and-legs receiver who should become even stronger down the line. Runs and cuts well enough. Neither unbelievable quick or fast, he's more of a smooth strider who secures deep passes with his size and body shielding. Stayed mostly at flanker in college and showed the ability to beat press.

He's got highlight hands, for better and worse. While capable of an amazing catch per game (usually one-handed), what they don't show on SportsCenter are all the traps and near-drops he makes. Gets into a lot of fights with the ball. I also feel like he floats at times, leading to said catching troubles and little mental mistakes.

Big, agile and a tad inconsistent. Starting talent but I'd probably wait until the third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-04-13 01:40 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
171. "Markus Wheaton, Oregon State (5'11, 182)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Intriguing number two/slot receiver who can take the top off a defense. I'll bet he has a good 40 time, but what matters is how he accelerates past deep coverage and gets separation. All his other routes play off that speed, as corners give him the cushion to run screens and comebacks all day.

Tracks the ball well and has good hands when he needs them, although sometimes a little awkward securing the catch. Solid press-beater who simply needs to get into his route faster. Kind of a crappy blocker who tries hard.

While a shade undersized as a deep threat, his speed can be used in other ways. End-arounds, drags, the aforementioned screens -- anything short and he has the burst to get loose. He's also a tough runner for his stature after the catch. Late second or early third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-11-13 01:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
194. "Justin Hunter, Tennessee (6'4, 200)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Very comparable to Malcom Floyd; both are tall, leggy deep threats who dominate on jump balls. Some receivers win downfield because they run past everyone, whereas Hunter uses incredible leaping ability and wingspan to achieve the same result (ones who do both are top ten picks). When he boxes out and extends, he's unguardable down the sideline.

Too bad he's not a natural hands-catcher otherwise. He traps a lot of passes into his chest or on his hip, and doesn't position his hands properly as targets. He also had a ton of drops this past season, usually on third down or anytime he needed to do something important. Might be an aberration (missed most of his sophomore year with an ACL tear, and played with the fun-slinging Bray). Might not.

Aside from his inconsistent hands, he's also limited by his body type on intermediate routes. Straight-line, stilted runner with route cuts that are somewhat exaggerated. He can lose one defender after the catch, but lacks explosive change-of-direction and is an easy tackle.

Since he's only started 17 games, combined with another year removed from surgery, there's a ton of upside. His lack of YAC potential caps his potential as a number one, but he should find his niche as a secondary, downfield option -- if he irons out the inconsistencies. Second round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
202. ""
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

More immature than he can get away with. He's NFL starter talented, not NFL superstar talented -- the difference being how much babysitting he'll get from his future employer.

Built like a taller running back, he's at his best over the middle. He can absorb huge hits and still retain possession; sticks-mover on third down. Tennessee played him in the slot a good deal, and if given space to catch-and-run, he has some wiggle (not a lot) and the strength to finish powerfully.

Lots of issues, though. His hands are unreliable; he'll make catches and drops that are equally ridiculous. Fights the ball too much, with some awkward body adjustments to passes (turning completely the wrong way, unnecessarily jumping). And part of the reason he was used in the slot is because he lacks deep speed. He's fast enough to play, but won't run past NFL corners. That shows up when trying to get separation, although he'll be fine once he masters the forearm push-off.

I like my possession receivers to have a lot more polish and a lot less baggage. He could be a big, physical third down monster, or out of the league in three years. Risk-weighted, that's fourth round territory to me.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-04-13 05:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
257. "Ryan Swope, Texas A&M (6'0, 205)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

I'm one of the racists who was shocked by his time (4.34) at the Combine. To be fair, he was used sparingly as a vertical threat last season. When he did get the green light, it often came off a double move or wheel route, where it was harder to gauge his long speed (it didn't help that Manziel missed seeing him downfield a bunch of times). And there are plenty of instances where teams manned a safety over him without big play consequences.

Judging how he was used, though, and he's an OK prospect in the slot. He ran lots of pivot and stick routes, sitting in zones for third downs. Faster than quick; he gets corralled in the open field but has a stocky, running back build that can take punishment.

It'll be interesting to see if his speed wasn't fully utilized, or he just plays slower on the field. Fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-04-13 05:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
261. "Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas (6'1, 212)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

The youngest member of the Razorback's stacked 2010 receiving group, he was seen as the guy who could be the best of them. Yet as his production and role increased, his flaws have become more prominent.

He's fluid for his size, but not top-end fast and plays like a shorter receiver (in a bad way). He has small hands and fights the ball, with nearly every pass getting into his body. Doesn't attack downfield throws or come back for shorter routes -- corners can easily play around him to break up passes. He'll put up big games, but frustrates from snap to snap.

A very incomplete player without the upside once thought. Fifth or sixth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-12-13 01:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
267. "Aaron Mellette, Elon (6'2, 217)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

He's got quality hands and a ton of production (averaged 98 receptions / 1,382 yards / 14 TD over his past three seasons), but his flaws have been masked by the level of competition.

As a one-speed player who can't get deep separation, he's limited to the intermediate game. He's fluid enough to run all the shorter routes, but sometimes he runs to spots and doesn't feel coverage well. For his size, he doesn't give much fight after the catch either.

I don't think his speed plays on the outside, and with his imprecise short game, he'll be a fringe draft selection.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-20-13 03:51 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
289. "Chris Harper, Kansas State (6'1, 234)"
In response to Reply # 3
Wed Mar-20-13 03:51 PM by will_5198

  

          

I'm a fan. He's a power receiver: built like a rock, huge hands, and runs like a bull after the catch. He's got some wiggle, too, so he's not just an undersized tight end bumbling down the field.

Even though he's a possession-type, he can hurt defenses downfield because he knows how to use his body as a shield. His production would also be a lot higher if he wasn't limited by his quarterback. That said, he's very obvious in his routes -- he got away with it because he could box out college corners, but he needs major sharpening up in the NFL.

Some fine-tuning necessary, but an athletic bargain. I'd take him as early as the third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-26-13 12:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
292. "Marquise Goodwin, Texas (5'9, 183)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

A wild card that teams will have to do plenty of homework on. His vertical speed is ridiculous -- he pulls away from corners like they're standing still -- and he might be worth a fourth rounder as a kick returner alone.

The question is if he can be more than that. It's impossible to tell from games, as he was criminally underused (49 touches last season), perhaps due to time missed for the Olympics. The routes he did run were a bit jerky and limited, although he can get away with mediocrity because of his speed. How he adjusts to passes is another unquantifiable; it's been somewhat tested during the pre-draft process, but the gauntlet and drills are not a game.

Ultimately, you're paying for potential. He needs a lot of development (how committed he is to improving is also in question), but can be a special threat on even the simplest of plays. I still say fourth, but wouldn't be surprised if he's in the top 75.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-26-13 01:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
295. "Marquess Wilson, Washington State (6'2, 194)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

His draft value will be an interesting call. Whatever the context of him quitting as a senior, it's not going to help him in April. Especially since he's not without flaws on the field.

A spindly guy, he's adept at beating press and gets just enough separation at the top of his routes -- he's not explosive from the snap, and more of a sneaky threat against deep zones. He'll make some great catches, but lose others due to a weak grip. Same thing happens in traffic, as stronger defenders can rip and jostle him out of a reception.

He'd be a fringe third-rounder without the baggage. This is a deep receiver class though, with a lot of comparable guys who are good but not great. And didn't leave their programs in the middle of the season.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
297. "Ace Sanders, South Carolina (5'7, 173)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

His size limits his receiving duties, but he's an absolute killer on punt returns. Although not a straight-line burner, he knows how to create space laterally, and is able to cut immediately in any direction. He's just one of those players who has perfect vision amid the chaos of a return.

Those skills are also shown as a receiver, as he gets easy separation (undresses corners on double moves) in his routes. It's too bad he's so short. He has trouble winning contested passes, his durability over the middle is a concern, and he's useless as a blocker. He can be used in an offense, but it'll take some effort to fit him into a game plan.

Regardless, a proven field-flipper who will contribute in certain packages offensively. Mid-rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
298. "Josh Boyce, TCU (5'11, 206)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Interesting toolkit. He's very fast (although his acceleration isn't as good as his top end speed), fluid, has a compact build and strong hands. A guy who can win deep or catch-and-run over the middle.

His showings are erratic, though. Although he played in a run-heavy offense, he didn't always flash his talent from game to game, disappearing too much for what he can do. Maybe it was being a product of his situation, or the rotating felon and freshman at quarterback. Or maybe he drifts through games on his own.

Either way, he has second receiver upside with a slot receiver floor. He might sneak into the top 100, but all the better if you can nab him later.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:35 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
320. "Kenny Stills, Oklahoma (6'0, 194)"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

Like Robert Woods, he's effective, but limited to a supporting role. Average size, average strength (probably less than that), average hands...he's not a player that impresses you immediately. Where he does excel is getting separation, whether it's downfield or him speeding through his breaks.

That quickness hides some of his route imperfections, the same way his spectacular catches (many near the boundary) overshadow his easy drops. As a runner, you can't whiff on him because of his speed, but he's not going to do much against disciplined players. Not laterally elusive or powerful. How he matches up against stronger defensive backs is a concern, since his skills will be used over the middle and for jump balls against safeties.

Solid potential as a second receiver, more as a third. I'll guess he's gone around picks 70-120.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
4. "Tight end"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 03:44 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
155. "Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame (6'6, 251)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Absolute monster down the seam and sideline. Tall, lean, athletic target who dominates on jump balls -- he's got great leaping ability and extension, making catches at indefensible heights. Smooth route-runner who can get open from the slot, split wide or in-line.

He's really improved his blocking, too. While hardly a mauler, he's using better technique and driving back smaller players, while holding up OK in pass protection. He should get stronger in the NFL, but you don't want overdo it and negate his downfield fluidity.

A true number one tight end and top 30 pick.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ChampD1012
Member since Sep 27th 2003
8280 posts
Mon Apr-15-13 01:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
354. "I want this guy...safest pick for Carolina from a receiver perspective....."
In response to Reply # 155


  

          

Cam flourished in the two TE sets when it was Olsen and Shockey...

The Steve Smith replacement can wait one more season...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 03:45 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
156. "Zach Ertz, Stanford (6'6, 252)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

He's got some old man game to him. His quickness isn't special, but he gets separation with head fakes and discreet push-offs. Solid hands and excellent body control (he uses his frame to shield defenders well), although he could secure catches in traffic a little better.

He's not a good blocker though. Borderline awful, in fact. He puts his head down way too much, doesn't use proper hand placement and has little strength. Apathetic blocker in the open field (he targets linebackers like he's giving out hugs). The only assignment he completes reliably is leaning against a defensive end on a double team.

He should get open in the NFL because of his aforementioned craftiness, and is really comfortable running slot routes and scramble drills. If you have the luxury of putting up with his limited in-line abilities, second or third round seems worth it. This is a relatively thin tight end class though, so he'll get a boost from scarcity.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
guru0509
Charter member
42053 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 04:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
160. "Jake Stoneburner, - The Ohio State University"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
3xKrazy
Charter member
19534 posts
Sun Feb-24-13 02:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
229. "unsurprisingly had a great combine"
In response to Reply # 160
Sun Feb-24-13 03:00 PM by 3xKrazy

          

he'll follow ballard's footsteps in making people wonder why the fuck OSU never threw him the ball.

my one reservation with stoney is that he dropped too many easy ones...which looked even worse given how few chances he had.

stoneburner is a freak athletically and moreso than but ballard...but ballard never dropped anything. see his catch in the rose bowl.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-06-13 11:04 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
181. "Travis Kelce, Cincinnati (6'6, 260)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

What a blocker. He's not a huge, extra offensive lineman, but for his height and skill set he's outstanding. Stays upright, uses great extension and moves his feet. He's experienced at H-back and takes on all comers, even as a lead blocker on run plays.

What makes his blocking impressive is that he profiles as a receiving tight end. He's a big target with soft hands, running well enough to press safeties down the seam. A little deliberate in his routes, however, as if he's counting steps in his head instead of cutting decisively.

Maybe the best in-line receiver at his position. An extremely balanced player who'll convert third downs with a perfect seal block or big catch from the slot. Top 100.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
soulsupreme
Member since Dec 14th 2004
8536 posts
Sat Feb-23-13 04:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
228. "RE: Travis Kelce, Cincinnati (6'6, 260)"
In response to Reply # 181


  

          

>What a blocker. He's not a huge, extra offensive lineman, but
>for his height and skill set he's outstanding. Stays upright,
>uses great extension and moves his feet. He's experienced at
>H-back and takes on all comers, even as a lead blocker on run
>plays.
>
>What makes his blocking impressive is that he profiles as a
>receiving tight end. He's a big target with soft hands,
>running well enough to press safeties down the seam. A little
>deliberate in his routes, however, as if he's counting steps
>in his head instead of cutting decisively.
>
>Maybe the best in-line receiver at his position. An extremely
>balanced player who'll convert third downs with a perfect seal
>block or big catch from the slot. Top 100.

Really hoping my Bucs get him in the 3rd round. He could be the best TE in this draft. Big receiver and good blocker.

______________________________________________________________
http://twitter.com/Gedi

"This is your world. Shape it or someone else will." - Gary Lew

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-06-13 11:05 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
182. "Gavin Escobar, San Diego State (6'6, 255)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Strike what I wrote about this being a thin tight end class. There's more depth than I thought, and this guy might be the best pure receiver of them all. He's got better hands than most wideouts, and runs the field extremely well. Adjusts easily to passes. Super smooth in and out of his breaks. Attacks from all three receiver positions.

As good a pass-catcher as he is, he's nearly as bad as a blocker. There's effort there, he just can't sustain. He's basically trying to survive in-line if he's not going out for a pass. He'll get stronger in the NFL, but I don't see him ever thriving at blocking.

Even being one dimensional, he's still an absolute match-up problem in the passing game. You can isolate him on a variety of defenders to gain an advantage -- tight ends good enough to win fades over anybody can get away with mediocre blocking.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:31 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
203. "Levine Toilolo, Stanford (6'8, 265)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

The *other* tight end for the Cardinal, who stayed in-line while Coby Fleener and Zach Ertz ran around catching touchdowns. A sound strategy, because he's clearly a less natural receiver than either. Plodding route-runner and a bit uncoordinated for his size. Stiff in his catching motions. He also plays smaller than his height, as he doesn't extend for passes well or break many tackles.

More reps in the passing game will help, but he's probably a stealth target at best. Red-zone and the like. Good news is, he's a solid blocker who has yet to maximize his strength. Lunges a bit after initial contact, but he holds his ground well against linemen and can whip outside linebackers. Mirrors rushers naturally in pass protection. He'll be even better once he's stronger: his arms look underdeveloped right now.

Although blocking tight ends seem passé, most don't have his size and reach. His receiving development will be a bonus.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:39 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
207. "Mychal Rivera, Tennessee (6'3, 237)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Decent utility player to have on the roster, depending on the offense -- he's more of an H-back than tight end. He outplays his eye test, using surprisingly soft hands and body control to beat better athletes. And although not runaway fast, he does a great job sneaking down the seam or finding a zone hole on third down. Competent blocker for his size (gives effort and won't get anybody killed).

He could get a late call after a strong Senior Bowl. Otherwise, priority UFA with a solid chance to make a team.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Warren Coolidge
Charter member
41963 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
225. "Joseph Fauria - UCLA 6'7 259"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

should be the first TE mentioned...

dude is a beast..

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
236. "He profiles better than he plays. "
In response to Reply # 225


  

          

If we're talking about triangle numbers and such, he's as good as any tight end this year -- a tall, lean athlete with great wingspan and huge hands (biggest of his position at the Combine). He's exactly the kind of mismatch you're looking for in the slot or the red-zone.

There's two issues that are capping his potential right now. Firstly, he's not a very good route-runner. He doesn't stem his routes at all, making pointless contact with defenders that prevents separation. It's a lack of finesse, which is evident when he ping-pongs around in zone or makes robotic cuts on simple routes. In fairness, UCLA did use him a lot on pick plays, but he still has a ways to go regardless.

Secondly, and what makes the first issue more glaring, is he's a terrible blocker. Low-effort, grabby, powerless...all the adjectives apply. When he's in the slot, he repeatedly misses targets, and seems to be in "receiver" mode (not caring). He shows more effort in-line, although his poor ability to sustain isn't any better. Now, Zach Ertz and Gavin Escobar aren't great blocker either, but they're miles ahead as receivers. So Fauria has to drastically improve one aspect or the other.

He'll be taken with the second-tier of tight ends, probably anywhere from the fourth to sixth round (how he runs during his pro day will be big).

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
237. "Dion Sims, Michigan State (6'4, 262)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Throwback tight end. He played a lot heavier in college, and was used foremost as an in-line blocker. When he's being aggressive, he looks like a second offensive tackle in the run game. He tends to go soft for stretches though, losing his form and not finishing his blocks. By virtue of his size he got away with it, but if he's going to play at this weight (he was listed around 285 at Michigan State) he needs to keep the tenacity.

Soft hands as a receiver, and doesn't fight the ball. I'm actually a bit shocked by his 10-yard split at the Combine, since he looked painfully sluggish off the line in college (must be the weight loss). Routes are rounded and he lacks quick change of direction; he's mostly a box-out receiver. Daniel Graham-type who should be around in the middle rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-27-13 01:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
249. "Jordan Reed, Florida (6'2, 236)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

More of an H-back than tight end (although the difference between either is dissipating). As a receiver, he does the all the little things: catching with his hands, extending for passes, sitting in zones, coming back to the ball. Many tight ends (hell, a lot of wide-outs) don't have his precision.

Not a special athlete, he relies on being smooth. Good short-area quickness and some YAC ability. His blocking is surprisingly mediocre; he gets in some quality punches against defensive ends, even the well-regarded ones. He's not good, but competitive, and could be trustworthy with simpler assignments.

His game is off the line of scrimmage, though. He can run advanced routes out of the backfield and work intermediate areas from the slot -- presenting a tricky match-up that coordinators are looking to use on third down. Him quitting during the Orange Bowl (benched) is concerning, though. If that checks out, he should get a call in the fourth or fifth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-04-13 05:12 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
260. "Michael Williams, Alabama (6'5, 265)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

A very good blocker, of the few left at his position. He went head-to-head with all the SEC first and second rounders, winning his fair share of battles. Holds up well on both run and pass plays, but isn't as strong at the second level -- he misses his target more often, and doesn't show the same power.

His draft position is capped by marginal receiving skills, however. While he moves decently for his size, he's a head-down route runner and very awkward securing passes. He'll work as a second tight end who plays in-line and sneaks out for some surprise catches. Sixth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-05-13 05:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
264. "Chris Gragg, Arkansas (6'3, 242)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Seems like every Razorback gets a disclaimer for 2012, and in Gragg's case it was injuries that made it a lost season. When healthy he's another one of the tier-two tight ends, not exemplary at anything but decent enough skills to find a roster.

Sized as a receiving option first, he looks a little sloppy as an athlete on short distances -- although he does get separation at the top of his longer routes. Average hands and body control. His blocking was a bit surprising, as it's adequate for his size and sometimes even impressive.

Fifth round as a guy who could earn playing time, but is not expected to become a difference-maker.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-19-13 01:23 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
285. "Vance McDonald, Rice (6'4, 267)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

The dividing line between the good and average tight end prospects. I like his size, I like his speed -- he eats up cushions quickly on vertical routes -- and he's an adequate blocker in space.

That said, his hands are average, and should be better considering he was used as a slot receiver. He's not an elusive ball-carrier, as his extra yardage has to come by running through tackles. And he was asked to do almost nothing in-line, which is disappointing for his size.

Overall, he lacks the polish or athleticism to put him among the best prospects at his position. Fourth rounder.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:12 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
299. "Ryan Otten, San Jose State (6'5, 242)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Kiper called him a poor man's Eifert, which is a fair comparison. Same build and adjustments to passes, just in a lessened form. He's a bit sluggish down the hashes and gets limited separation, but (like Eifert) he compensates with his wingspan. Natural receiver who pulls in throws from all angles, contested or not.

He's also an average in-line blocker, which is a compliment. Good enough to play with his hand down or detached in space, he'll be a problem on third downs. Fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:37 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
321. "Nick Kasa, Colorado (6'6, 269)"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

Complete project in all phases. He was a defensive end until his senior season, so nearly everything he does is at an infantile level. The appeal is he can be molded from the ground up, using his great size and athleticism as the starting point.

I question how natural a receiver he'll become, because right now he's scary. I can literally see him thinking when he puts his hands up for a pass; he's concentrating that hard. How much he'll improve is up for a position coach to gauge.

Those sorts of questions make him a luxury pick, likely for an established team with draft choices to burn. I'd guess the fifth to seventh round -- he could be a valuable blocker, and has the speed that defenses will have to account for (even if he drops every other target).

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
5. "Offensive tackle"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 02:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
48. "Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M (6'6, 310)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

Franchise left tackle prospect has room to get even better. His frame, wingspan and athleticism are all covetable, and he plays with great technique instead of relying on his talent. Completely erases speed rushers with his footwork and arm length. His run blocking is solid; he won't always dominate, but it's overstated as a negative.

I thought he had a rough start to the season (against Florida in particular), but played at his expected high level since then. He gets in trouble when defenders beat him with their punch -- while he has enough athletic talent to redirect those mistakes, NFL rushers give less room for error.

Not sexy, but a blindside protector who can be plugged in and start for the next decade.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 02:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
49. "Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6'8, 309)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

Prototype size and loads of athleticism, but needs refinement in the finer points of pass protection. Great wingspan for walling off defenders and he can really run; Michigan gives him some tough assignments but he's a monster on the second level.

His hand placement gets sketchy though. He'll end up grabbing a lot. And while most of the time his pass blocking is impressive, he'll stop his feet and become vulnerable to speed rushers. Run blocking is fine; as mentioned, he's fantastic in space, but he needs to finish better against linemen.

I thought he could've moved past Joeckel this year, but not yet. Still a potential starter for a lot of teams on the left side, with the upside to become elite.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
cgonz00cc
Member since Aug 01st 2002
32234 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 02:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
87. "update since the outback bowl?"
In response to Reply # 49


  

          

he got beat once outside on that speed rush that led to denard getting rocked

but other than that Clowney did nothing against him

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 02:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
88. "I still think Joeckel is better"
In response to Reply # 87


  

          

because his mirroring and hands are better, but the Outback Bowl was what I expect from Lewan -- he has the talent to diffuse elite rushers.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
cgonz00cc
Member since Aug 01st 2002
32234 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 07:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
114. "moot point bwahahahaha"
In response to Reply # 88


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 01:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
55. "Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6'5, 305) "
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

Improved immensely since last season, mostly in pass protection. He's always been a dependable run blocker, but got much quicker off the snap this year and his feet are miles ahead of where they were in 2011. A classic right tackle who could try the left side, but I wouldn't depend on it.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Fri Jan-04-13 04:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
94. "he's staying"
In response to Reply # 55


  

          

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
yoose2lurk
Member since Feb 02nd 2005
8996 posts
Tue Jan-08-13 07:45 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
105. "Damn"
In response to Reply # 94


  

          

---
Dynasty -
noun, plural dy�nas�ties.
1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group; Roll Tide.

Alabama Crimson Tide: 2009, 2011, 2012 BCS National Champions

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
LBs Finest
Member since Sep 28th 2005
19843 posts
Tue Jan-08-13 08:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
106. "leaning towards staying now"
In response to Reply # 105


  

          

no decision yet though

_________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-05-13 02:12 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
177. "Lane Johnson, Oklahoma (6'6, 302)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

Great potential at left tackle, it just might take him a couple of years to realize it. He played quarterback in high school, began as a tight end in college, moved to defensive end, then right tackle as a junior and finally the blindside as a senior. Oklahoma continued to use him at right tackle this past season (mostly in unbalanced heavy formations), so he's never gotten the chance to learn the nuance of any one position.

Regardless, his athletic talent is evident. He moves well, has a great wingspan (longest reach of any left tackle at the Senior Bowl) and is still growing into his prototypical frame. His biggest detriment right now is strength; he's got narrow legs and needs more muscle to handle NFL grown-ups. And while he's already a good player, his age (24) will be a slight downgrade due to his power and technique still developing.

Likely the third offensive tackle selected and a definite first rounder.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
204. "Eric Fisher, Central Michigan (6'7, 305)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

The biggest beneficiary of Taylor Lewan's return to school. He's a great prospect in his own right, and I believe he would've passed Jake Matthews (had he declared), but now he's entrenched himself in the top 12.

His merits are obvious: he's got the height, reach and feet to man the left side for any pass-addicted offense. Those guys are somewhat rare and important. In Fisher's case, his reach and athleticism stand out -- for his size he moves very well, easily hitting targets past the line of scrimmage.

While he's well-developed in pass protection, he's got some points to work on. His windup is slow when punching, and he often gets beat by the defender on first contact. Strong hands (which he has) are wasted when he's late to plant them inside an opponent's chest. His wingspan and movement let him get away with it in college, but the MAC isn't the NFL. He also over-widens his stance at times, and needs to get stronger in his lower body. That shows up more in the run game, where he blocks with less balance.

Overall though, definitely a starting talent at one of the toughest positions in football. Whenever Joeckel goes, Fisher won't last much longer.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-12-13 12:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
205. "D.J. Fluker, Alabama (6'4, 355)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

I have serious doubts he can stay at right tackle. His feet seem tied to the ground, and he's expending all his energy just to kick slide. Combined with his leaning posture, he has no recourse against quick fakes or outside rushers. He's off-balance from the snap.

His wingspan is incredible -- longer reach than Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson by a considerable amount -- but he has awful hand placement. No plan when he punches; he just reaches for whatever part of the body he can grab: armpits, outside shoulders, back of the jersey. So even with the great extension, he doesn't know how to use it.

Engulfing mass and scheme (Alabama's opponents always had to defend the run first) protected him in college, but his technique is bad enough he may move to guard. And it's unproven how well he would perform there. High bust potential as a top 64 pick; do not want.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Warren Coolidge
Charter member
41963 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
224. "delete....wrong place"
In response to Reply # 5
Fri Feb-22-13 01:37 PM by Warren Coolidge

  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:23 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
238. "Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff (6'4, 306)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

A raw, intriguing project. His athleticism is special, shown in his fluidity on the field and confirmed during testing (4.71 in the 40, 31 bench reps). You see it when he pulls -- he explodes to the second level -- and also in pass protection, especially when he redirects multiple rushers on a single play.

Weak lower body, however. His base lets him down when trying to drive block or keep balanced; smaller defenders can push him around with leverage. While he gets to assignments quickly, he misuses his hands and doesn't always get a seal. And this is all against FCS competition.

He needs plenty of growth in his footwork and strength before you can put him up against NFL edge defenders, which is scary depending on how high he goes. But the upside is there, particularly for zone-blocking teams.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26040 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 04:34 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
242. "Oday Aboushi, Virginia (6'5", 308)"
In response to Reply # 5


          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-04-13 05:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
258. "A case of readjusting expectations. "
In response to Reply # 242


  

          

While he never grew into a true left tackle prospect, he'll do fine on the right once he gets meaner. Great frame and decent, if a bit inconsistent, technique. His feet aren't light enough for elite rushers, but they play well against most left defensive ends.

As mentioned, though, he needs to become more aggressive. Right now he doesn't finish blocks with authority. He's also surprisingly slow to the second level, which is a point of concern for zone-blocking. Still, I'd take him in the third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-27-13 01:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
250. "Justin Pugh, Syracuse (6'4, 307)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

I hate to get sucked into the narrative, but in this case it's true: his arms *are* noticeably short. And at left tackle, one of the most demanding positions in football, any flaw is going to be magnified (exposed).

The issue with his wingspan is he gets beaten to the punch. Defenders can get to his chest quicker and stun him, which is usually a play-killer. A lack of reach also makes the route to the pocket more direct.

It's a shame, because he has left tackle footwork. He gets into his set effortlessly, with a smooth, natural kick slide. As far as moving him to guard, he would need some improvement in the run game. He lunges and ends up on the ground too much, plus he's not the strongest guy to begin with. You can get away with subpar run-blocking at left tackle (many in the NFL do), but not inside.

His footwork and technique are good enough to give him a start at tackle. I wouldn't go higher than third round, though, because he might end up as an in-between player with mismatched skills.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-12-13 01:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
270. "Menelik Watson, Florida State (6'5, 310)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

I don't see the special athleticism he's being touted as having. Certainly not to where I'd project him as a left tackle, as his skills don't seem to match up there. Combined with the fact he's old (25) to be learning a new position at the NFL level.

His feet and movement are solid, but he gets overpowered in protection. Defenders who know how to use their hands are all over him. His awareness is also questionable, and there are three to four plays per game where he blocks nobody.

Physical upside is capped by inexperience and age, which equates to an average starter on the right side and third or fourth round pick. He'll be overdrafted, however.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
TheRealBillyOcean
Charter member
37940 posts
Fri Apr-26-13 06:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
360. "Damn "
In response to Reply # 270


  

          

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-26-13 12:58 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
293. "Reid Fragel, Ohio State (6'7, 308)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

He might be the best right tackle prospect in this draft. Another former tight end, he didn't convert until last season -- but made the prerequisite transition of adding strength while keeping athleticism. Great frame, he uses his wingspan to lock out rushers and has the footwork to handle speed. Smooth at the second level, getting to smaller defenders with ease.

He's also surprisingly powerful. He showed the ability to move ends off the line, and can be an above-average run-blocker with more experience. That's probably the most exciting part of his projection right now -- he already looks like a veteran after one year at the position. Great pick in the top 100.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:14 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
300. "Xavier Nixon, Florida (6'6, 321)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

Borderline starter at left tackle, with the potential to be a very good right tackle if he gained consistency.

He can be mean as hell as a run blocker, but doesn't show that drive all the time. Some games you get a guy who buries linebackers into the ground, other games he seems content to be a standing obstacle. It's not even a case "big game syndrome", as he had lulls against several marquee opponents.

I wish he'd be more dominant on runs, because his protection is flawed. The initial kick-out goes well for him, but his feet drag after that. Often he goes wide to compensate, plants, then gets eaten alive with an inside counter. He has the right build and looks good in spurts, but his foot speed may be too much to correct.

I like him in the right round, though (third or fourth). He may eternally frustrate, but even his inconsistent efforts are better than others' best.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:42 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
322. "David Bakhtiari, Colorado (6'4, 299)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

He's being slightly overlooked in left tackle conversations, but I like him a lot. On paper, he's a little short of the prototypical measurements for the blindside, although I think his other strengths make up the difference.

Firstly, his arms are still long enough, so he can reach speed rushers and wall them off. In fact, he's great at striking first against ends, getting into their shoulders and finding a latch point. His footwork is also solid; he widens and mirrors while keeping his balance.

He can stay square when faster linebackers blitz, reading delays and stunts with poise. Lastly, he has a run-blocking mentality. Most left tackles are apathetic in that regard, but he carries out his assignments with an attitude (admittedly, he can get a little wild).

If he can't stay on the left (which I believe he can, especially if you have a good quarterback), he'd be a solid right tackle, particularly for zone teams. If those don't work for you, he could play left guard as well. Some even think he's a center. So no matter what, he's going to help you out. Top 100.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:43 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
323. "Brennan Williams, UNC (6'6, 318)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

He looks the part, but it may be a project getting him to play like it. To be fair, his last season deserves an asterisk; he reportedly played with a torn labrum the entire year (missing the last four games as it worsened). So he gets a pass for his inconsistent blocking moments, especially when he used his frame as a shield instead of attacking linemen.

Even healthy though, his footwork needs improvement. His feet look taped to the ground when he kicks out in protection -- lots of awkwardness when better rushers use leverage and speed on him. Because of that, he'll definitely be a right tackle in the NFL (which he mostly played in college). Great size, decent potential, and could be a value pick if his health drops him into the middle rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Apr-03-13 01:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
333. "Chris Faulk, LSU (6'5, 331)"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

From an on-field standpoint, I believe he made a mistake declaring early. He moves and looks like a guard, but without the power. So he's trapped between two positions.

If you want to keep him at tackle, there are a number of issues. His feet are average, and even when he sets up well, he'll get pushed into the backfield because he has no strength. He huffs and puffs trying to reach second level assignments, usually lunging at them before he collapses. Rarely makes a proper cut block.

Of course, those are all problems that apply at the guard position too, so I don't know where he fits. He could have improved his technique (or strength) with another season, but now he's coming off an ACL injury and only has a season of sophomore tape to go by. Sixth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
6. "Offensive guard"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 02:15 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
26. "Jonathan Cooper, UNC (6'3, 310)"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

One of the most athletic guard prospects in the last half decade. I've seen him running stride for stride with running backs and picking off corners 30 yards downfield. He's like a second left tackle in pass protection, and has incredible vision for stunts and blitzers. Not a mauler in the run game, but he's sound in the fundamentals and won't get overpowered. Put him on the move and he'll cut down linebackers like a scythe.

A special player at his position, and he'll come with a rightful premium in April.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
yoose2lurk
Member since Feb 02nd 2005
8996 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 12:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
78. "No Chance Warmack?"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

---
Dynasty -
noun, plural dy�nas�ties.
1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group; Roll Tide.

Alabama Crimson Tide: 2009, 2011, 2012 BCS National Champions

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Effa
Charter member
29337 posts
Fri Jan-11-13 09:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
127. "chance might be the best player in the draft"
In response to Reply # 78
Fri Jan-11-13 09:06 PM by Effa

  

          

belly shirt and all

i would not be mad at all if the giants take him at 19 but i feel like the cowpies might take him or maybe even the chargers.

edit: fuck, actually the rams are a possibility too

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:46 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
130. "Chance Warmack, Alabama (6'3, 320)"
In response to Reply # 78


  

          

His status as a prospect is less about being amazing on every play, and more about never doing anything wrong. Along with textbook fundamentals and technique, his awareness is through the roof -- he knows exactly when *not* to extend a block (and invite a hold call), where disguised rushers are coming from and who to target in the open field.

None of that is meant to undersell his talent, however. He's a bull-strong run blocker, showing more nimbleness than the eye test suggests, and "fits" through holes as a pulling guard with perfect balance. He holds up just as well in pass protection, with the power to anchor against nose tackles and feet to stay in front of quicker gap-shooters. Probably the one critique that pops out is him getting off-balance against athletic linebackers who blitz inside. It's not consistent, but it happens.

I prefer Cooper's athleticism a little more, but Warmack's overall game is pretty infallible. An easy pick in the top 20 -- and thankfully, the NFL has a stricter uniform policy.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-27-13 01:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
248. "Larry Warford, Kentucky (6'3, 333) "
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

Stout right guard with a classic playing style. He's a mauler inside, anchoring well in protection and knocking even the biggest defensive tackles onto their heels. Some of his most dominating moments came against the best SEC and Senior Bowl linemen.

What caps him to the second or third round is his movement. He's fine straight ahead, but has some problems on pulls. He gets out of control and falls through the hole, especially when pulling left. So not really a zone fit. It's workable, though, because he's a road paver who also holds the line against athletic rushers.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-18-13 12:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"Kyle Long, Oregon (6'6, 313)"


  

          

With his size, I was surprised he didn't play at tackle more, but guard is probably his best fit. His athletic ability is well-used inside; he leads the charge downfield, and can pull to either sideline. Quick off the snap and has a lot more power than I assumed.

I don't like his footwork though, at least not as a tackle. In protection, he plants his feet and chases with his upper body too much -- at guard it's not as much an issue, because you get help on the interior. However, his questionable recognition of defenses is a concern for either position (only two years of experience on offense). Third round, with the bonus ability to fill in at tackle in emergencies.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-18-13 12:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
274. "Kyle Long, Oregon (6'6, 313)"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

With his size, I was surprised he didn't play at tackle more, but guard is probably his best fit. His athletic ability is well-used inside; he leads the charge downfield, and can pull to either sideline. Quick off the snap and has a lot more power than I assumed.

I don't like his footwork though, at least not as a tackle. In protection, he plants his feet and chases with his upper body too much -- at guard it's not as much an issue, because you get help on the interior. However, his questionable recognition of defenses is a concern for either position (only two years of experience on offense). Third round, with the bonus ability to fill in at tackle in emergencies.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-19-13 01:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
286. "Brian Winters, Kent State (6'3, 320)"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

While he played left tackle in college, he'll be a guard in the NFL. He cannot handle outside speed rushers, not even if he moved to the right side.

As a run-blocker, however, once he puts his hands on you, you're going to the ground. He needs to get better at the second level -- he lunges often, missing linebackers -- but he's the kind of nasty, play-finisher you want between the tackles. Third, fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-26-13 01:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
294. "Dallas Thomas, Tennessee (6'5, 306)"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

The old jack of all trades, master of none. He played mostly left tackle and guard in college, although in the NFL he'll be a guard first and back-up at right tackle. He's not quick enough to stay on the left side, and not powerful enough to anchor the right -- as an interior lineman he moves well, but isn't a mauler.

Despite his lack of strength, he uses his arms well, and stays in front of his man even when overpowered. Reliable on pulls and finds linebackers. Overall, you're getting is a workmanlike, multipurpose starter who completes his assignment but won't be a star.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
7. "Defensive end"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 02:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
51. "Damontre Moore, Texas A&M (6'4, 250)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He's another Aggie who made a huge leap this fall. Good first step, not great. His outside rush is just threatening enough to set up his power and inside moves, which are better. Kind of a one-speed player, but extremely strong and a guy who finishes plays. Several of his sacks were the result of second-chance pursuit and effort.

It's his first year at end, so he's still learning how to use leverage. Right now he gets unbalanced and starts lunging. He's also wild against the run -- for every play he makes, he'll give up two more by being out of gap. I'm not sure if I like him as one of the 10 best players in this draft, but he's rising so fast that might be the market price.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 01:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
56. "Bjoern Werner, Florida State (6'4, 255)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Not quite as dominant as his numbers indicate, but his best football is ahead of him. Five of his 13 sacks came against Murray State and Savannah State, one more in garbage time against Miami (Seantrel Henderson owned him all night), and Jeff Driskel gave up two freebies by dancing around forever.

Regardless, he's a three-down end who is surprisingly instinctive for having played just five years of organized football. He's rarely out of control, and fantastic against read option plays or batting down screens. A good, not spectacular athlete who can set the edge against runs or drop into shallow zones.

His main deficiency is a lack of pass rush moves. He's got a dangerous outside rush, dipping his shoulder consistently to win leverage, but doesn't show much variation. His inside counter is weak, and he needs to use swims or rips more than occasionally. He's already good at fighting his hands free, so those moves should come with more experience and coaching.

A little uninspiring as a top five pick, but that seems to be the story of the draft this year.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 03:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
70. "His improvement from FROSH to Junior year is CRAZY"
In response to Reply # 56


          

Definitely a top 5 pick.


After Holiday Sale, take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Spiewak, etc.
+ a full line of Women's wear (Jeffrey Campbell, etc.)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 01:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
112. "Corey Lemonier, Auburn (6'4, 246)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Not the best athlete, but he's got a sneaky repertoire that keeps linemen guessing. Head fakes, a nice little rip move, hard inside slants...all of it compensates for his average first step. So he can still beat tackles to the edge because he sets them up so well. Strong hands that he drives into linemen's shoulders also help.

Top heavy though, in body and playing style. It shows up more against the run (although he is decent) and in space, where he can look bad laterally. He could stay at end or stand up outside in a 3-4. For the latter, his pass drops are decent at best, but that's an improvement over the frightening attempts as a sophomore.

Great pursuer and competed all year despite his team's abysmal performance. I like him in the second or third round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30411 posts
Sat Jan-26-13 10:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
152. "Margus Hunt - 6'8", 275 SMU"
In response to Reply # 7


          

I love projects at the DE spot, this guy is a freakish athlete, new to the game but I definitely think with the right coaching he can be elite.



After Holiday Sale, take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Spiewak, etc.
+ a full line of Women's wear (Jeffrey Campbell, etc.)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Feb-08-13 04:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
193. "He's definitely a project."
In response to Reply # 152


  

          

Measurables say five-technique, but he's limited to four-man lines or a one-gap 3-4 because he can't play the run. He stands up and skates backwards right now; even NFL tight ends are going to eat him alive on the ground.

His best skill is actually splitting the gap between linemen. He gets extremely narrow for a man of his size, has a nice little outside fake he uses, and bursts into the backfield. It's what made him an elite special teams player, as he blocked more kicks (17) than he had sacks (15.5) in his career. Although as a rusher, his hand usage is promising -- he's got some power and technique there, which is great to see from a raw player (only four years of football experience).

One of those players I tend to ignore because they're usually over-drafted. Plus he's old as hell (26). I suppose you could do worse in the top 100, especially if you can use him as a situational rusher.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-30-13 10:15 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
165. "Ezekiel Ansah, BYU (6'5, 274)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Dontari Poe, Robert Quinn, Jason Pierre-Paul...this is *that* guy in the 2013 draft. An inimitable athlete, he'll be taken off projection more than production, with the former varying a lot per team.

What I see is an anchor at defensive end; not an elite pass rusher but a five-technique who can hold ground and pursue with a special burst. He's got great strength in his frame (amazing how he carries 270) and challenges linemen with the simplicity of being big and quick. Better yet is his chase ability -- he can get anywhere on the field in a hurry, and closes exceptionally quickly (he even plays on the kickoff coverage unit). Violent tackler who will fill out an opposing team's injury report.

He's only got three years in the sport, however, and it shows. Way too much hand fighting on every play; wasted action that gets him nowhere. His backfield penetration comes mostly off slants and stunts, his other move being a bull rush -- altogether, not an every-down NFL strategy. He's not a dynamic edge player who can beat tackles to any spot; more of a bull with great length and relentlessness.

BYU played him from nose tackle to linebacker, but as mentioned, I like him as a run-stopping end. He'd get lost inside right now, where bad technique is death and it's easier to double him. Linebacker is a stretch with his limited recognition skills. In time he has the flexibility to do all three, but moving him around now will only steepen his learning curve.

A project for sure, and his upside is more of a quiet dominance than sack monster. He'll go in the top half of round one, because if you like him, you're only going to get one shot to take him.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Jan-31-13 01:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
168. "Sam Montgomery, LSU (6'5, 260)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

A dirty work player who lacks explosive skill. His game is power; he's always been strong (even at a younger 240 pounds) and can walk back any opposing tackle. Stout frame, built to play the run at left defensive end. Slightly insane competitor and a very sure tackler.

However, his positives are mostly by necessity. He's slow off the snap, often "last man with his hand down" slow. A little stiff and he's not going to win the corner against NFL blindside protectors. He also relies heavily on his power move and lacks variance in his pass rush.

Not sure why he and Mingo didn't switch positions in college, since the latter is better at beating left tackles and Montgomery is the one who can absorb tight end doubles. That'll be his professional home, though, with the question being how much is that worth to your team? Not a first-rounder to me, but still a top 60 choice who can stick around for a decade stopping the run.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-05-13 02:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
173. "William Gholston, Michigan State (6'7, 278)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

One of the more overrated college players of the last two years. He's got a massive, imposing frame, but doesn't met those physical expectations once the ball is snapped.

His biggest issue is flexibility -- he plays high and tight, without the bend to threaten from the outside consistently. When he does force his way into the backfield, those stiff hips prevent him from finishing (even the slowest quarterback side-step puts him off-balance). Leverage is another problem with his height, as well as disengaging and keeping a free arm.

It's not all bad, though. He's got a hell of a wingspan and deflects a ton of passes (which is good, since he'll be stalled outside the pocket a lot). Quick enough to beat linemen to a gap and force runs outside the blocking scheme. Also a high-effort player; he chases from the backside to the whistle and is always giving effort. Middle-rounder who'll need a positional boot camp before transitioning to the five-technique in the NFL.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-06-13 11:09 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
184. "Michael Buchanan, Illinois (6'5, 252)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Comparable to Mathias Kiwanuka. Both are tall, rangy types who can rush with a hand down or stand up on the strong side. At this point Buchanan is still growing into that potential, both as a pass rusher and strength-wise, but I see a similar usage pattern in the NFL.

He's noticeably quick for his height, showing the twitch to dart inside linemen and threaten from outside. His hand use is also decent, but I wish he'd show more of his advanced moves -- like that rare spin attempt which flashed potential -- instead of relying on speed.

He plays the run hard, if not always smart. He can try to slide inside too much, although Illinois asked a lot when they put him at linebacker (five yards off, fighting through pulling guards at his height). He mostly acquitted himself well, but his main goal should be to add some weight. He's still 15 or 20 pounds short of what he can easily carry, and he needs the bulk to handle 4-3 end duties.

While he didn't have a banner year as a prospect, he remains intriguing and with some untapped ability. Third or fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-11-13 04:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
201. "Datone Jones, UCLA (6'4, 280)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Not a star, but a multipurpose defender who'll force negative plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. Bruins played a 3-4 base with hybrid looks, and he lined up anywhere from zero tech to the offensive tackle's outside shoulder. Inside, his first step really stands out; he plays with great leverage and abuses guards when he fires under their pads. It's what makes him a bear against the run -- even though he doesn't always get tackle credit, he was the one in the backfield clogging the lane.

What suppresses his draft position is a lack of outside speed. He's lumbering and doesn't pursue in space well. He's also a little underweight for his style of play, and needs some secondary escapes when his get-off is slow.

I like him, though. He can play the left side of a four-man front, shifting inside on passing downs, or bookend a 3-4 one-gap. Dirty work run-stopper who expands the roster with his versatility.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-21-13 04:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
214. "Alex Okafor, Texas (6'4, 261)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He reminds me of Alex Brown. When he puts his hands down and plays the pass, he absolutely fires into the backfield -- at least a yard or two deep before tackles can get out of their stances. From there it's long arms and active hands, with a great swat to nullify punch attempts.

Texas played him standing up a lot, though, which I wasn't a fan of. He's not as quick off the snap and is terrible in coverage. Regardless, he could stand to lower his shoulder better in either stance when pass-rushing. Leverage would also improve his run defense, which is marginal at this point.

He's got the rangy frame and speed you look for, and will help on third downs right away. If he builds on his overall game, he could become a solid full-timer.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:17 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
235. "Tank Carradine, Florida State (6'4, 276)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He plays like Ezekiel Ansah's cousin. Near-identical frames and on-field style; Carradine has more advanced technique but less explosiveness. Like Ansah, he'll be an impact run defender quickly -- he stacks and sheds with power, and holds a great edge with his reach. Incredibly active, second-effort guy who plays through the whistle.

His pass rush is promising (he kills tackles when he goes inside), although I'd like to see him generate more strength with his hands. Sometimes he looks like he's playing with just his forearms. Great bend for his size but a little herky-jerky in his routes. That reflects on his lack of top speed, and he needs a moment to gear back up when redirected. He could get away with playing strong-side linebacker in certain schemes, as long as he's *never* allowed to drop in coverage. Otherwise, keep him at end.

You may not get much out of him as a rookie, since he tore his ACL in late November. But I see the injury being a discount -- he's only started 12 games (JUCO transfer), produced in all of them, and is still figuring out his potential. First-rounder who'll be taken in the third.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Mar-05-13 05:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
263. "Malliciah Goodman, Clemson (6'3, 276)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He's a generic prospect in nearly every respect, save one quality: ridiculously long arms. Those alone don't make you a good football player, but certainly make his projection more interesting. If he can play off that strength more -- he shows the ability to, especially against the run -- he's got a chance to be more than typical roster filler. Fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Mar-27-13 12:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
301. "Devin Taylor, South Carolina (6'7, 275)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He was a bit of a top prospect in his younger days, but never outgrew his stiff, stop-start playing style. His height is his own disadvantage, as he exposes too much of his body to blockers and has problems bending around the pocket. Same story against the run, where he gives an initial push, but loses leverage as the play develops.

Mediocre burst off the line, inconsistent hand use, poor ability to finish...I could go on. End of the rotation lineman who can bat down some passes.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
324. "Quanterus Smith, Western Kentucky (6'5, 250)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

He has a really interesting approach to pass rushing. His get-off is average as they come, but he makes up for that with a great second surge. It's like how a receiver sets up an off-man corner -- closing distance, swiping their arms and stacking them for a release. He'll be blocked halfway to the quarterback, but then dip and burst his way to a sack.

There are times when he's *too* patient, however. He can wait himself out of a play, especially if the tackle has a key on his counter move. He has to be even faster against the run -- if he doesn't shed his block immediately, he's not strong enough to maintain his gap. Good tackler though, and I think he's got some ability to stand up as a rush linebacker (mostly if you want another down lineman in passing situations). Just make sure he's hidden in coverage.

He did tear his ACL in November, although that's becoming a superfluous detail for a prospect, akin to what major you studied. I'm a fan of his style, and think he's a perfect third rounder.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Apr-04-13 02:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
337. "Joe Kruger, Utah (6'6, 269)"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

Seems lost in the shuffle right now, but he's an intriguing five-tech prospect. Although he's a bit linear as a rusher, he can break down in space and closes fast on ball-carriers. Good punch, good jump (for his size) at the line of scrimmage helps him win a lot of battles.

But like most college players with his height, he loses leverage too often. Stands up when trying to find the ball and will get bulldozed out of the play. Needs more weapons from a technique standpoint.

I like him as a value pick, however, as he's a solid athlete for his position and has some unearthed ability. Third to fourth round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
8. "Defensive tackle"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
calminvasion
Charter member
12186 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
31. "Kyky Short? Purdue DLinemen are as close to a sure thing as it gets"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

Most are DE that become 3-4. LBs but still

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 01:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
54. "Kawann Short, Purdue (6'3, 315)"
In response to Reply # 31


  

          

I like him better lined up over center. He's more inconsistent at three-tech and easier to redirect. At nose, however, he dominates with extremely strong hands and forces double-blocking. There are some pad level issues and mercurial displays of effort, but I thought he generally improved those issues from last season -- a positive sign.

Not a great threat on passing downs, but sneaky. He'll surprise a lineman with his burst, then show off a swim move he'd been saving for third and long. He had more quarterback takedowns in 2012 than Corey Lemonier, Michael Buchanan, Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan. If he slides some because of consistency issues, I like him a lot. Higher and I'm warier -- he's one of those guys that three years from now, you'll wonder how he got picked in the spot he did (for better or worse).

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
calminvasion
Charter member
12186 posts
Wed Jan-02-13 02:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
64. "So, late first? Agree with assessment"
In response to Reply # 54


  

          

As an irrelevant aside, he was also a beast HS bball player that won a state title over Eric Gordon's team in the final along with the legendary Smoooooge

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
guru0509
Charter member
42053 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
32. "Big John Hankins!"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Sat Dec-22-12 02:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
50. "Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State (6'3, 322)"
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

At his best, he forces offenses to change their entire run games. He can demand double teams, redirect the flow of plays and even fight through traffic to make stops near the sideline. He's not always at his best though, mostly because his hands are light -- he doesn't use them well enough to shed blocks. His burst off the line (which is excellent) and strength are irrelevant when he lets linemen control his chest.

That's a coaching point though, and I believe he'll improve at the NFL level. He'll never be a pass rushing threat, but can play one or two gaps effectively and will be responsible for making a lot of future teammates look better.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
88919 posts
Thu Jan-03-13 11:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
72. "Sheldon Richardson"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-23-13 04:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
138. "Sheldon Richardson, Missouri (6'4, 295)"
In response to Reply # 72


  

          

Equipped as a penetrating three-technique, right now he's best at defending the run. He's not a two-gap wall, but makes plays with surprising pursuit ability -- he moves off blocks quickly, and doesn't give up until he finds the ball-carrier (where he's good for a backside forced fumble every other game). Missouri got a little carried away with his athleticism (standing him up as a linebacker...no), but he can really, really run.

While his first step is very good, he's still learning how to rush the passer consistently. If he doesn't win off the snap, he can start leaning into linemen and forget to use his long arms. So I wouldn't expect him to get a half dozen sacks right away. He can still affect the passing game with his quickness, he just needs to refine his approach.

Lots of potential if he learns to anchor better and become more threatening with pressure. Possibly the best pure 4-3 under tackle in this class (not counting Lotulelei, who can play anywhere), and should be gone in the mid to late first round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-07-13 06:47 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
100. "Star Lotulelei, Utah (6'4, 320)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

There's no such thing as a one-man run defense, but he comes close. Absurdly powerful, he doesn't just win match-ups -- he walks opponents into their backfield like training sleds. He's got anvils for hands, and his quickness off the snap lets him outbox linemen immediately. After using them as a punching bag for awhile, he'll break out a much improved swim move to continue the terror.

Not just a gap-occupying bully, though. He's extremely fluid in space, attacking outside runs to the sideline or dropping back and tackling receivers on crosses. Sidesteps cut blocks like ants on the ground. Still developing as a pass rusher...right now he's best at collapsing the interior and shortening the pocket "ladder." Instinctive and active batting down passes.

It's not all roses -- he'll get upright against double teams, run himself out of several plays and there were typical complaints of inconsistent effort. And fair or not, only four of the last 14 defensive tackles drafted in the top ten have made All-Pro teams. It's a high-bust position.

A top five selection who is scheme-diverse (he can play nose, under tackle, one gap or two) and in the conversation for number one overall.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Bombastic
Charter member
88860 posts
Thu Jan-10-13 08:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
124. "If he's there at #4, I'm going to beg the Eagles to take him "
In response to Reply # 100


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-29-13 06:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
164. "John Jenkins, Georgia (6'3, 359)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

I don't really like him. He's an impressively large human, with some quickness about him as well -- he passes the eye test for a two-gap nose tackle. Unfortunately, he doesn't really play like one. His pads are either too high or he's picking himself off the ground. Doesn't use his hands to disengage. Not even reliable as non-moving obstacle, as he tries to win his individual match-up regardless of his responsibilities.

He has a three-tech mindset trapped in a nose tackle's body. And it's questionable how effective he'd be even if that changed, since he gets moved off the point *a lot* for a man of his size. I wouldn't be happy if my team took him in the first round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-05-13 02:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
174. "Sharrif Floyd, Florida (6'3, 303)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

This guy's a beast. Dual-threat tackle who can play across the line and on any down. People mention Richardson's first step a lot, but Floyd's can be as good or better. That penetration blows up run plays routinely, and makes him an accountable threat against the pass, despite not being a pure rusher.

His arms look a little short, though. His quick, disruptive hands help compensate, but you do see linemen with better wingspans lock him out. And while a wrecking ball on any play to his adjacent gaps, he can get stood up and pushed around on direct double teams.

He played everywhere at Florida but I'd like to see him stay inside; you lose some of his explosiveness on the end of a three-man line. An already disruptive force who should become even better (he's only 20 years old). Mid-to-high first round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-19-13 04:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
213. "Bennie Logan, LSU (6'3, 295)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

He shows up in spurts. Watch the Alabama game, and he looks phenomenal -- turning Chance Warmack into the backfield, and giving Barrett Jones all he can handle. Same against South Carolina, where he's the best LSU defender on the field. Turn on Texas A&M or Florida though, and you could fall asleep waiting for him to make a play.

A lot of that inconsistency depends on whether he wins off the snap. He's three-tech sized, with a first step that varies in effectiveness; sometimes it's explosive, sometimes it lags. When he's late he becomes a space-eater, and not in a good way. He needs to stay compact better, develop some counters and stop getting his arms pinned.

Flashes of talent, but underdeveloped. Tail end of the second round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-21-13 04:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
215. "Sylvester Williams, UNC (6'2, 313)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

One of my favorites in this deep tackle class. He's perfect for the three-technique, primarily due to a great first step. It's consistently quick, and he explodes through gaps with unblockable speed. His hands are also impressive; maybe better than every tackle aside from Lotulelei. He varies how he uses them -- his swim move is best, but shows a decent rip and uses straight power when necessary.

Teams can get push against him when doubling, although he's hard to target because he disengages so well. And he's a killer against zone runs, as his quickness is impossible to reach block. First-rounder who'll be an outright steal if taken later.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-21-13 04:58 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
216. "Jesse Williams, Alabama (6'4, 320)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

A nose tackle with plus athleticism. He's ox-strong, especially in the upper body, and fits very well as a two-gap player over center. But he also shows decent lateral quickness -- he played at end and fullback in college, and moves down the line better than expected.

Sometimes he gets in trouble doing so; he'll raise his pads and try to play outside the scheme. If he keeps assignment, however, he can hold the line against double-teams and delay blockers from reaching the second level (Alabama's linebackers stay remarkably clean). Not an advanced pass rusher but does enough by compressing the pocket with brute strength.

He doesn't have the burst or movement of Hankins, but his hands are much heavier. It's possible he breaks the bench press record at the NFL Combine (as well as the record for lowest Wonderlic score; he has "YOLO" tattooed on his head). Either way, he'll make a fine, workmanlike player for any front. Second round.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Mar-18-13 12:12 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
275. "Jordan Hill, Penn State (6'1, 303)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

Try-hard, agitating tackle who can get into the backfield despite limited athleticism. He creates problems when you try stretching the line of scrimmage -- he has fast hands, a great swim move and keeps separation while on the move.

The way to beat him is going right at him. He isn't the anchoring type, and if he doesn't have space to get around blockers, he'll be swallowed up. Still, his consistent effort and hand use should at least make him a solid rotational lineman.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Mar-28-13 12:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
314. ""
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

He doesn't stand out, good or bad. He maintains leverage and can shake blockers a little, but not to the point where he's dominant against the run or pass. A live body that absorbs some snaps while the starters rotate out. It's not an exciting role, but every team needs guys like him on their second unit.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Mar-28-13 12:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
315. "Akeem Spence, Illinois (6'1, 305)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

I don't think he does anything at a NFL level. He attacks with his hands, but doesn't shed well and lacks polished moves. He's not explosive or quick off the snap. He's not very big and gets blown out of gaps. And the few times he's free of a blocker, he doesn't have the burst to redirect and tackle.

It's as if he doesn't have a plan when facing opponents. Tweener, the bad sort, who can't start -- he'll ruin you on runs, and can't get enough pressure on passing downs. Later rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Apr-01-13 10:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
325. "Josh Boyd, Mississippi State (6'2, 310)"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

Entirely mediocre. His pad level is really bad; he gets walked out of running lanes because he's standing straight up. Arms are too short, and he doesn't show the hand power to disengage. The final nail is his lack of athleticism. Nothing special about his initial jump, so he has to guess pre-snap if he wants to shoot a gap. Once the play develops, he can't reset and redirect.

Sixth rounder who will need to fight to stay on a team.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
9. "Linebacker"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
vik
Charter member
12912 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 01:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
17. "Chase Thomas, Stanford (6'4", 248)"
In response to Reply # 9
Fri Dec-21-12 01:17 AM by vik

  

          

.

But hell, what do I know?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:50 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
134. "Limited athlete who relies on technique. "
In response to Reply # 17


  

          

He's got strong hands, disengages from blocks quickly and shows advanced rush moves...but he's sluggish changing direction and lacks closing burst. It's the same story in coverage, where he keeps position well but has tight hips when defending the pass. Built as an outside 3-4 backer, he's best as a part-time player to build depth with.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37200 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 12:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
36. "Kyle Van Noy"
In response to Reply # 9


          

After that performance in the bowl game you've got to believe he's leaving.

Have to believe he's no later than a 3rd round guy, at worst.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Jan-04-13 10:52 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
90. "sounds about right."
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

Kyle Van Noy, BYU (6'3, 235) -- He does two things the NFL always wants from linebackers: rush the passer and cover. Quality first step, and he's an oversized safety in coverage. Really vulnerable against the run though, especially on the edge -- he gives effort but lacks strength.

A classic nickel backer with every-down upside. I'm surprised he stayed since his buzz was growing, but if he gets tougher against the run, he can push into the second or first day.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Dec-21-12 04:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
42. "Barkevious Mingo (6'5, 240)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

He can be a true "joker" defender, capable of playing a number of positions on any given down. An extremely fluid, rangy athlete who can run with backs and tight ends or turn the corner on offensive tackles. Watch offenses try and throw to his side on screens: he's a bitch to cut, has the vertical jump of a receiver and can run to the flat quicker than the back and line can set up.

His numbers weren't big, mostly because he was out of place at full-time defensive end -- his pass rush skills are raw, and he went for a ride when doubled on runs. Offenses also paid him a lot more attention, and he didn't always step up to that challenge. While he could grow into a stronger presence at end, I like him standing up in space more than with a hand down.

The less you constrict him, the better he'll become. He's raw but instinctive, and his versatility is what's next against no-huddle offenses that have removed substitutions from the game.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Jan-01-13 01:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
57. "Sean Porter, Texas A&M (6'2, 230)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

Smart, efficient defender who doesn't make a ton of splash plays but does little things that are important. He's very heady about his positioning, especially when making choices against the run. Great inside blitzer who challenges and sheds linemen. Comfortable in pass defense and a reliable tackler in the open field. Not a star on the outside, but an asset.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Jan-09-13 01:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
111. "Jarvis Jones, Georgia (6'3, 241)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

The ultimate clean-up man. A lot of his impact comes from secondary effort, sifting through trash to make plays out of nowhere. Ridiculous closing speed and pursuit, and he's a solid tackler upon arrival. His ability to cause turnovers is beyond luck or circumstance -- it's an ascribable, coveted talent.

Obviously, he can rush the passer too...with some caveats. His first-step is quick, not lightning-quick, and he'll need better escapes when linemen reset against him in the backfield. Arm length will be questioned but he keeps his chest clean against most opponents.

Run defense is acceptable, with impressive plays sprinkled in. He holds ground and can use his athleticism creatively (you rarely see a spin move on a pulling guard). However, his frame is a bit lithe and he can get engulfed at the point. His medical history (spinal stenosis) is also a real concern; some teams will remove him off their boards entirely.

I loved him in 2011, but a lot of times he was just pinballing around. This past season he was more under control in coverage and gap protection. A dynamic edge + chase player whose innate "football sense" should keep him in the first ten picks -- as long as doctors clear him.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:51 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
135. "Alec Ogletree, Georgia (6'3, 232)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

Skill-wise, he's the 2013 template for inside linebackers: rangy, coverage-first athletes who can keep a scheme diverse. A former safety, his pass defense is tantalizing -- he gets insane depth on his drops, and breaks on underneath routes like a corner. That kind of asset in the front seven cannot be understated.

However, his finesse doesn't translate as well against the run. His first instinct is to slide around blocks, which works in college but is less effective against bigger, more athletic interior NFL linemen. Instead of meeting guards at the line of scrimmage, he lets them reach him at the second level, opening up all sorts of cutback lanes and gaps (inconsistent tackling doesn't help). He could stand to finish plays better, too -- many times he's a step away from a TFL, a sack, or an interception.

So there's a trade-off here. He's got the most potential of any inside linebacker this year, but coverage ability is wasted if an opposing offense is always in 2nd and 4. You're betting on his intermittent physical play becoming consistent. A worthwhile gamble near the end of round one, and even better if you can move him outside if he doesn't adapt. He has a real burst off the edge, and with more technique he could be an untapped asset as a rusher.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-21-13 05:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
136. "Kevin Minter, LSU (6'2, 245)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

I love his forcefulness in the run game. He attacks linemen, not the other way around, and clogs lanes before they have a chance to develop. His squatty frame is another benefit (I'll be surprised if he measures to his listed height), giving him leverage and letting him sneak around clutter. Sturdy tackler upon arrival, with range to the sidelines.

It's a passing league now, though, and his coverage skills are merely adequate. He rides tight ends and backs instead of running with them -- instant flag in the NFL -- and is choppy in his movements. He's also a repeated victim to play-action; he overplays backfield motion instead of reading the keys of the offensive line. One positive is that his pass defense *has* improved since 2011, so maybe there's still an untouched ceiling here. But right today it's a concern.

Still probably a top 75 guy, although run-stopping inside linebackers have become the '90s-era safety on NFL value charts.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Jan-28-13 03:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
157. "Dion Jordan, Oregon (6'7, 243)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

Intriguing athlete who is either underdeveloped or limited, depending on your vantage point. His size and movement jump off the screen -- he looks like a man among boys, while being fluid enough to run in coverage or break down for an open-field tackle.

However, his height is near the point of diminished returns. Especially as a pass rusher. Currently his only move is the speed rush, and he runs himself out of most plays with it. Since he never threatens inside, offensive tackles simply set up outside and direct his tall frame (an inviting target when exposed) into no man's land.

Now, you can say that he's only been playing defense since his sophomore year in college, and his technique will improve with experience -- a fair point. But I question his coordination or flexibility to master those advanced tactics. I've seen him literally fall down while trying a spin move, and his height makes it harder to bend around the corner.

His hands are developing as weapons, as they have some jolt and could be really something with his wingspan. There are enticing moments where he throws linemen aside or gets into their shoulders and rips past them. Yet he still has trouble disengaging from tight ends, especially against the run. Which is another one of his problems -- holding an edge. Direct runs give him lots of problems; while he understands leverage, he just lacks the strength to execute at times.

Position-wise, I think he should start out at linebacker. Right now he's better in space. He flows extremely well down the line, and can learn to be a better rusher in spurts (without full-time end duties). He’ll also assist in coverage, man-up or in zone against deep curls -- Oregon lined him over the slot on passing downs, and he can press and shuffle better than some safeties.

Too many questions for me as a top ten pick. For players with unique talent, sometimes hybrid equates to homeless. If you can steal him later in the first round, great, but I doubt that will happen after his testing numbers. A team will have to go all-in on his potential.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
sfMatt
Member since Jun 20th 2002
10381 posts
Thu Feb-07-13 07:41 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
192. "I was waiting for this..."
In response to Reply # 157


  

          

really compelling take

he didn't have the best season... injury coupled with being a focal point for offensive units that knew he *could* be the major factor if not dealt with properly

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
sfMatt
Member since Jun 20th 2002
10381 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 12:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
231. "pretty sure he just solidified himself for the top 15..."
In response to Reply # 157


  

          

possibly top 10.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
sfMatt
Member since Jun 20th 2002
10381 posts
Wed Mar-20-13 06:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
290. "and now he could end up as No 2 to the Jags!? damn"
In response to Reply # 231


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Tue Feb-05-13 02:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
175. "John Simon, Ohio State (6'1, 256)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

One of those players who is great in college but doesn't have sellable skills for the professional world. He shows some ability with his hands and plays with leverage, knowing his only way around most linemen is under their pads. Consistent wrap-tackler. Good leader; two-time captain and desirable adoptee for Urban Meyer.

However, I don't see him staying at defensive end for a number of reasons. Short for the position and lacks bulk (he gets rolled against big tackles). That would be mitigated if he was quick, which he is not. Once he starts in a direction, he's committed. I think he'll be too sluggish at linebacker and has never shown any drop-back ability.

A package substitution and back-up type; mid-to-late rounds.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Wed Feb-06-13 10:58 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
178. "Manti Te'o, Notre Dame (6'2, 255)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

He's always been good, but getting leaner last season really rounded out his game. He was faster to the sidelines, and much more comfortable in coverage -- he recognized routes quicker, and had the foot speed to be in better position. Pass defense is not his calling, but he showed he's a true three-down backer.

That aside, he's still foremost a downhill player. Everything about defending the run is in his wheelhouse: crashing down on guards and fullbacks, shooting gaps and fighting through traffic is what he does. It's give-and-take, though, because he sometimes over-pursues or shades the wrong way out of anxiousness. And while he's a reliable, forceful tackler, he's just OK in space -- elite runners can leave him reaching.

Obviously his intangibles have gone from a strength to enigmatic, but I don't think it'll be a huge deal. I'm sure his future teammates will initially see him as a weirdo, but working hard and producing is all that matters. Nobody cares about your social skills outside the facility, as long as they're not criminal.

He fits inside for any defense, and that will keep him in the first round despite the circus.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Flash80
Member since Jan 03rd 2007
6953 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 02:27 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
239. "manti: i won't be benching"
In response to Reply # 178


          

oh, and i'm 241 lbs, not 255.

dude ran a 4.8

how much do y'all think his stock has slipped?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 02:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
240. "most everyone shrinks at the Combine though"
In response to Reply # 239


  

          

and a lot of the top guys elect to bench at their pro days. Kevin Minter, who some believe is the top ILB with Ogletree's and Te'o's issues, was listed at 6'2 at LSU and measured at 5'11. he ran a slower 40 too.

which is another reason why I thought Mortensen's report about Te'o being too small to stay inside was a bit laughable. he's the same size as Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman. he's an inch shorter than Daryl Washington and 10 pounds heavier. he's the same weight as Luke Kuechly and has longer arms.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Flash80
Member since Jan 03rd 2007
6953 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 03:05 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
241. "RE: most everyone shrinks at the Combine though"
In response to Reply # 240


          

my favorite mighta been michael crabtree going from 6'3" to 6'1" overnight.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Thu Feb-21-13 04:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
217. "Khaseem Greene, Rutgers (6'0, 236)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

Hard to figure out. He does things that are starter-worthy, but his overall game isn't inspiring for a top-50 pick. I like how he flows to the action, his coverage drops are smooth, and he's excellent at defending routes that cross his face. Dangerous inside blitzer and fantastic at ripping the ball out after a tackle.

He's not great at shedding blockers, though. Sometimes he looks slow to read and react against the run. Nothing special as an outside rusher -- he's strictly a 4-3 weakside prospect. And while he retains the fluidity of his previous position (free safety), he stares down quarterbacks and is easily manipulated. If the quarterback starts looking at a sideline camera, Greene will abandon his man and run over there to tackle it.

His high character will help him (especially in this linebacker class, with idiots like Ogletree and Te'o) and I can see him sticking in the NFL for awhile. He doesn't look like a big play-maker, though.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Fri Feb-22-13 01:31 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
223. "Arthur Brown, Kansas State (6'1, 231)"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

Fearless against the run. He attacks linemen without pause and flies into the backfield, shooting through running lanes as they develop. Generates a ton of tackle power when he meets his target, often driving them back violently. He does overrun some plays, but I love his aggression in the box.

He's also fairly solid in coverage. Runs well and has recovery speed, while looking comfortable in man or zone. Due to his size, some see him as strictly an outside backer -- while I agree he'd be a tackling machine on the weakside, I also think he could make it inside, due to his downhill style and use of leverage. Top 64.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
sfMatt
Member since Jun 20th 2002
10381 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 12:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
232. "You watch Kiko Alonso at all?"
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
60436 posts
Mon Feb-25-13 01:10 PM

Click to send private message to this author