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Ink_Spot
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"Can we talk about this fucking stat padder Rondo....not top 5 PG"
Wed Nov-21-12 10:51 PM by Ink_Spot

  

          

this fake ass streak he and Boston have going. In the offseason, I looked at all the moves that team made...and I thought they were a lot better...now all I see is people talking about how this dude is the best PG in the game. He said he is the best PG in the game..but he still can't shoot, he can't make the defense respect him...he just wants to pad stats...I watched him tonight have the ball 3 times, he could have laid it up..alone...but he rather wait for someone to come, so he can get an assist. There is no fucking excuse. If you are the best PG, make your team win ballgames. Stop padding stats...fuck this fucking stat padder shit. You got all those players, and you say it is your team, win fucking ballgames..don't stay in blowouts to pad stats, don't intentionally give up lay ups to pad stats..play fucking real winning ball.

  

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staaaaaaaahp.
Nov 21st 2012
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I fully support this poast.
Nov 21st 2012
2
Of course you wouLLLLd
Apr 26th 2013
103
Rondo been padding his assist totals for years
Nov 21st 2012
3
Can we talk about how mad you are?
Nov 22nd 2012
4
by that, are you admitting he is a fraud? then I should be mad?
Nov 22nd 2012
5
Name a better point guard and ill show you...
Nov 22nd 2012
6
dude...Tony Parker is better than Rondo.....
Nov 22nd 2012
7
      Debatable but no
Nov 22nd 2012
8
      LOL at you putting Wall on that list.
Feb 07th 2013
15
lol, not top 5... that's rich.
Nov 22nd 2012
9
One thing that is true is rondo is not good at running at offense
Nov 22nd 2012
10
You sound like a fucking moron.
Nov 22nd 2012
11
      Ok. He is a good player. And he might be top 5.
Nov 22nd 2012
13
The Boris Diaw of point guards
Nov 22nd 2012
12
How does is losing team go 5-0 after he gets hurt if he's top 5?
Feb 07th 2013
14
not early at all with this uppage.
Feb 07th 2013
16
lol
Feb 07th 2013
17
um, Chicago Bulls anybody? if you wanna go by that logic
Feb 07th 2013
18
Bulls were a 1-seed with D-Rose, 4-seed without him
Feb 07th 2013
21
      the celtics were a 'losing team' last season too.
Feb 07th 2013
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      I'm sayin. People overreacting to everything
Feb 07th 2013
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      lol you must not pay much attention to the C's
Feb 07th 2013
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           I watch the majority of their games
Feb 07th 2013
29
                it's easily provable that you're wrong
Feb 07th 2013
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                     Scoring is up by like 4 PPG since Rondo's been gone
Feb 07th 2013
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                          5 fucking games.
Feb 07th 2013
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                               Well I'm including the 5 games he missed earlier in the year
Feb 07th 2013
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                               lol
Feb 15th 2013
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Besides Miami, they've played shit teams.
Feb 07th 2013
19
      They also beat NYK w/o Rondo.
Feb 07th 2013
22
           Like I said, shit teams.
Feb 07th 2013
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                good one
Feb 07th 2013
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                I'd do a Rondo for Demarcus Cousins/Aaron Brooks deal right today
Feb 07th 2013
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                     I've been thinking about that one (but with IT)
Feb 07th 2013
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                          it's not a bad idea
Feb 07th 2013
39
I'm not a huge Rondo supporter, and even I think this post is dumb.
Feb 07th 2013
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he's not all the way wrong though
Feb 07th 2013
28
      Oh, there's no doubt Rondo pads stats.
Feb 07th 2013
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      we've got to see how this plays out for the rest of the season, BUT
Feb 07th 2013
34
           Is that even a question?
Feb 07th 2013
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      Ian Thompson has an article about it
Feb 07th 2013
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           I wonder how much that had to do with Ray leaving...
Feb 15th 2013
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Dude, I can't wait til the fucking playoffs.
Feb 07th 2013
35
so, like, this is now officially a thing
Feb 15th 2013
42
We went on winning streaks with him too...
Feb 15th 2013
44
not disputing that
Feb 15th 2013
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      Quick question: how many Cs games a year do you watch?
Feb 15th 2013
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           10-15, maybe
Feb 15th 2013
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                AKA not enough to make this accusation
Feb 15th 2013
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                     you're right.
Feb 15th 2013
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                          So a player who steps it up in the playoffs...
Feb 15th 2013
                               no, i apply it to guys with talent who play average in the regular seaso...
Feb 15th 2013
61
                                    Cool, thanks for that. My opinion on Rondo has shifted
Feb 15th 2013
65
You probably should've unleashed this deft basketball argument...
Feb 15th 2013
45
sample size increasing, shit still looks bad for your boy
Feb 15th 2013
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      I sincerely don't care right now.
Feb 15th 2013
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           so you're emulating rondo
Feb 15th 2013
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                well played
Feb 15th 2013
51
                and that'd make you Darrell Armstrong. Trying hard, & still not good.
Feb 15th 2013
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                you're trying pretty hard for someone who doesn't care
Feb 15th 2013
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                     I am you keep responding. You'd prefer I ignore you?
Feb 15th 2013
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                wins-losses as proof of PG effectiveness is arbitrary on OKP
Feb 15th 2013
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                     You're so mad right now shit is carrying over into other topics.
Feb 15th 2013
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                          you're mad because Cal's UK guys don't work hard or get better
Feb 15th 2013
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                          Dude, you can jump on as many of Basa's agendas as you wish.
Feb 15th 2013
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                               if you considered my opinions worthy, i'd be doing something wrong
Feb 15th 2013
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                               people jump on my agendas because they be GOOD!
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    "thinking things through" is apparently illegal in kentucky
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    he really does think all these UK high-profile recruits are can't miss
Feb 15th 2013
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                                         I've said this?
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    I only notice the confused ass stand-in niggaz loving your agendas
Feb 15th 2013
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                                         ba's a pretty smart dude and uses evidence
Feb 15th 2013
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                                              Yes, because YOU watch more games than me.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                   lmao @ watching games being the end all and be all
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                        Yes John Hollinger. Thanks.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                        advanced stats dont say what u think they say here
Feb 15th 2013
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                          i'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy...
Feb 15th 2013
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                               Sounds like you're making up a hypocrisy?
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    it shows so much that they gettin the 9th pick
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    I don't blame draft picks. That's your thing.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                         i blame draft pick that don't perform...not one like GREG MONROE
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    all that needs to be said on wall making people better
Feb 15th 2013
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                                    Ha!
Feb 15th 2013
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                                         My stance on Rondo.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                              very reasonable
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                   Guess how he came to that conclusion? WATCHING GAMES...
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                        he must not watch Chris Paul games then since he thinks Rondo's better
Feb 15th 2013
85
                                                        Or maybe I just watch Chris Paul playoff games.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                             RE: Or maybe I just watch Chris Paul playoff games.
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                                  of course he would, Rondo has one chip as a weed carrier with 3 HOFs
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                        hey, you're back!
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                             Why am I even entertaining a dusty ass laker fan about Rondo?
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                                  http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/185tnmdarm21dgif/original.gif
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                                       Until he with the homies
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                                            http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab199/juicyju5/camron.gif
Feb 15th 2013
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                                                                                 Haha
Feb 15th 2013
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stand by every word
Apr 26th 2013
108
Damn, Simmons Getting In On The Action? (Rondo Ewing Theory Revisited)
Feb 15th 2013
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let's talk, why not?
Mar 07th 2013
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*yawn*
Mar 07th 2013
100
#emptystats
Mar 07th 2013
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http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1136517/rondop.gif
Mar 07th 2013
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:(
Apr 26th 2013
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Lol
Apr 26th 2013
102
I'm glad KG is being exposed for the bitch he has always been
Apr 26th 2013
104
Word
Apr 26th 2013
105
etherous uppage
Apr 26th 2013
106
Oh so Chicago bout to win a series w/o Rose but the Celtics
Apr 26th 2013
107
Rose looking overrated as hell
Apr 27th 2013
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      Rose is basically a bigger/humble AI w/o the heart
May 04th 2013
110

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1. "staaaaaaaahp."
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2. "I fully support this poast."
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103. "Of course you wouLLLLd"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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3. "Rondo been padding his assist totals for years"
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4. "Can we talk about how mad you are?"
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5. "by that, are you admitting he is a fraud? then I should be mad?"
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6. "Name a better point guard and ill show you..."
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A player with no rings

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Ink_Spot
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7. "dude...Tony Parker is better than Rondo....."
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.....so the ring thing does not count.....right now, Chris Paul, DWill, DRose, Crazy Russy, Kyrie, all better than Rondo......he is good defensively....but he can't score..he has no jumpshot, so the defense leaves him alone in the playoffs..he is concerned with padding stats...he has had numerous seasons to learn how to shoot. He can't.


PG's you can't leave alone, or they will bury you:


CP3
Tony Parker
Rose
Deron Better
Russy
Kyrie
Nash
Curry
Jennings
Lillard
Walker
Conley
Kidd
Felton
Dragic
Lawson
Wall

I can go on......but you get my point

  

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8. "Debatable but no "
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15. "LOL at you putting Wall on that list. "
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9. "lol, not top 5... that's rich."
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every year i think the Rondo debate has been put to rest, but idiots keep it going.*

back to your point: is this the first time you've watched Rondo? because he has always had an inexplicable lack of confidence in his shot, even the obvious ones. it's infuriating sometimes, but i can't argue with the results.

*Rondo Haters: whatever drug you guys are taking to forget the playoffs of the previous year, please inbox me (spoiler alert: bron finally won).

  

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10. "One thing that is true is rondo is not good at running at offense "
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Every year he gets more of the ball the celtics become worse offensively .luckily up to this point Garnett was an elite defender. He struggles to break down defenses because unlike the true star point guards defenses aren't afraid that he'll score on every possession unlike Paul, Rose or even Westbrook and Lowry or even kyrie.to me he is a way more athletic Jose Calderon more so then franchise pg

  

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11. "You sound like a fucking moron."
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13. "Ok. He is a good player. And he might be top 5."
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But he isn't a massively efficient offensive general like Paul/Prime Nash. And he isn't a defense destroying driver like Rose/Westbrook.

  

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12. "The Boris Diaw of point guards"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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14. "How does is losing team go 5-0 after he gets hurt if he's top 5?"
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16. "not early at all with this uppage."
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no way it backfired, eh?
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17. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "um, Chicago Bulls anybody? if you wanna go by that logic"
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just sayin

  

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21. "Bulls were a 1-seed with D-Rose, 4-seed without him"
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Celtics were a losing team with Rondo and are now a winning team without him.

  

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23. "the celtics were a 'losing team' last season too."
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until they started winning.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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Lach
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26. "I'm sayin. People overreacting to everything"
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Just one month ago the C's won 6 in a row with Rondo. Now they winning now without them and Rondo isn't elite? It's silliness.

  

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27. "lol you must not pay much attention to the C's"
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as if they haven't had highs and lows all season long with and without Rondo. A month ago they won 6 in a row w/ Rondo. Doesn't mean anything.

  

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29. "I watch the majority of their games"
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Their offense runs a lot better without him. With Rondo their offense is Rondo running around with the ball until he either hits a layup, misses a jumper, or passes the ball to someone for a shot. It's as if they are unable to score unless Rondo is the second-to-last person to touch the ball.

  

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37. "it's easily provable that you're wrong"
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the celtics score more points per possession with rondo on the floor than when he's off the floor. been true for years.

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38. "Scoring is up by like 4 PPG since Rondo's been gone"
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96.7 on the season w/o Rondo. Total is 95.6 so that would mean that with Rondo they are around 95 or so.

  

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40. "5 fucking games. "
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including a double overtime one. LMAO.

every single season rondo's been the starter, his presence on court = more points per possession. this is the first season that hasn't been true, but that's also easily explained by the change in the rotation (more sullinger = more offense) and the sluggish start to the season, which is pretty common with the celtics under Rivers with an old ass core.

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41. "Well I'm including the 5 games he missed earlier in the year"
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Likely all do to suspensions, because, well, he's Rondo.

  

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43. "lol"
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>including a double overtime one. LMAO.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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19. "Besides Miami, they've played shit teams."
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Miami was a big win but after that they played: Sacramento, Orlando, a CP3-less Clippers (all at home) and then hit the road against Toronto.

Although I also think a big reason they didn't skip a beat was that this team was still build around Paul Pierce. Ray's gone but Terry actually fits better on a Pierce-centric team than a Rondo-led squad. (Ray, ironically, would have been the best fit alongside Rondo.) Also, people like Jet and Barbosa have been itching to be more involved and everyone's playing with more passion now that they are being relied upon.

All of that being said, when the C's blow it up this offseason (which they should), I'd move Rondo as well as Pierce, KG, and Terry.

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22. "They also beat NYK w/o Rondo."
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24. "Like I said, shit teams."
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Jokes.

I think Rondo's a good player but the kind of guy who needs a team built around his skillset. As noted, the C's are still Paul Pierce's team, even though they tried to force Rondo into the lead. But, as good as Rondo is, I've always wanted to trade him so I'm all for this agenda as long as it doesn't hurt his trade value.

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25. "good one"
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>Like I said, shit teams

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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30. "I'd do a Rondo for Demarcus Cousins/Aaron Brooks deal right today"
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32. "I've been thinking about that one (but with IT)"
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Cousins, Isaiah Thomas, and Francisco Garcia's expiring deal to even up the money. I'd love to see Cousins with some real vets like KG, Pierce, and Terry.

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39. "it's not a bad idea"
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PG is a relatively replaceable position, whereas KG/Boogie/Sully is a great group of bigs.

meanwhile, SAC tanks this season, gets a big like Zeller or Noel and has a lot more hope next season with Rondo/top pick/Reke...actually, they'd still suck but they'd be more fun.

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20. "I'm not a huge Rondo supporter, and even I think this post is dumb."
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28. "he's not all the way wrong though"
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i think simmons nailed it with his "national tv rondo/local cable rondo." rondo takes too many nights off, where he doesn't go hard and pads stats. that said, when he cares, he's one of the 10 best players on the planet.

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31. "Oh, there's no doubt Rondo pads stats."
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But to try to undermine his value for this Boston team is unwise, and to question Rondo's desire to win is also unwise.

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34. "we've got to see how this plays out for the rest of the season, BUT"
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if the Celtics have about the same record without Rondo, I think we've got evidence that Rondo doesn't give his all every game.

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36. "Is that even a question?"
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I think the boost in stats in his nationally televised game proves that.

The rest of the season is a tough comparison because the Celtics were trying to fit in new pieces and were half-assing a lot of games as a team in the first half (as they have the last couple of years.) They'll be at least a .500 team in the second half.

For me, the key is: Do you rebuild around Rondo? I say no. He's going to be due a big deal in a couple of years (and I'd rather not deal with contract-year Rondo) and his game seems like it could fall off quickly since so much relies on his first step.

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33. "Ian Thompson has an article about it"
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Think he posted it today. Rondo would often refuse to make the cross-court pass and prefer to wait for the offense to come to him so he could get the assist.

Also, Jason Terry's "When we play the right way..." comment seems like a not-so-subtle jab at Rondo.

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47. "I wonder how much that had to do with Ray leaving..."
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>Think he posted it today. Rondo would often refuse to make
>the cross-court pass and prefer to wait for the offense to
>come to him so he could get the assist.
>
>Also, Jason Terry's "When we play the right way..." comment
>seems like a not-so-subtle jab at Rondo.

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35. "Dude, I can't wait til the fucking playoffs. "
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42. "so, like, this is now officially a thing"
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i always thought that rondo's low advanced stats were an argument that advanced metrics couldn't capture everything. they still can't, but, like, rondo can't be used as proof anymore.

i don't think it's fair to ask how good rondo can be. i do think it's fair to say he's probably the star most disinterested in the regular season, to his detriment. a fully engaged rondo, like the one who played in the ECF last year, is top 5 in the league. as it stands, though, his laziness probably keeps him out of the top 5 PGs.

this run the Celtics are on seals it for me. you can't be that good if your team immediately gets a lot better without you. until rondo deigns to try all the time, I'm not going to pretend he's special.

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44. "We went on winning streaks with him too..."
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Wait until the playoffs. That's when it'll all come crumbling down

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48. "not disputing that"
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read what i wrote. when rondo wants it, i think he's better than cp3, which means he's the 3rd best player in the league. he generally wants it in the playoffs, which means he's a beast.

but you don't get to blow off the entire regular season. real superstars bust their ass every night when their team needs them to. hell, kobe is 87 years old, and he is going hard every single night. well, this celtics team needs rondo to bring consistent effort, and he just doesn't (didn't).

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53. "Quick question: how many Cs games a year do you watch?"
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54. "10-15, maybe"
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56. "AKA not enough to make this accusation "
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57. "you're right."
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it's much better to rely on one person's observation than stats. personal observation is so much more reliable and unbiased.

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"So a player who steps it up in the playoffs..."


  

          

Doesn't try in the regular season? Do you apply this logic to everyone who plays better during playoff time, or did your big NBA calculator only tell you Rondo did that?

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61. "no, i apply it to guys with talent who play average in the regular seaso..."
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

there's no such thing as "stepping up." there's no magical clutch gene that activates during big moments. there's only guys who save themselves, and that's what rondo does for far, far too much of the regular season. he's in the prime of his athletic career.


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65. "Cool, thanks for that. My opinion on Rondo has shifted"
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Dramatically. He doesn't play his hardest against the wizards in January, fuck him.

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45. "You probably should've unleashed this deft basketball argument..."
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not so close to the game when they shot about 30% and scored 70 points


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46. "sample size increasing, shit still looks bad for your boy"
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8-2 is 8-2.

And how are they winning a defensive struggle without rondo? wasn't defense supposed to be one of this strengths? or is that only in the games he feels like trying?

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49. "I sincerely don't care right now."
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50. "so you're emulating rondo"
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51. "well played"
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52. "and that'd make you Darrell Armstrong. Trying hard, & still not good."
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55. "you're trying pretty hard for someone who doesn't care"
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58. "I am you keep responding. You'd prefer I ignore you?"
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59. "wins-losses as proof of PG effectiveness is arbitrary on OKP"
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wit rondo...it don't matter.

but, let a PG of a lottery team have a better win percentage than another PG of a lotto team and watch 'em party.

boy, if seraphin and turiaf were the startin frontcourt, we would not be hearing about how awesome wall is, because they a couple games over .500.

so dumb.

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60. "You're so mad right now shit is carrying over into other topics."
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62. "you're mad because Cal's UK guys don't work hard or get better"
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64. "Dude, you can jump on as many of Basa's agendas as you wish."
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Nobody is still gonna take you serious.

Sorry.

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66. "if you considered my opinions worthy, i'd be doing something wrong"
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67. "people jump on my agendas because they be GOOD!"
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you notice only MAD hatin-on-Ba since 2004 idiots like ernie support your asinine ass agendas...like, WHO still hates on kyrie and cyses john wall who ain't YOU? who does that? idiots who hate on Ba. he tried to throw brandon knight v. kyrie 'bliminals one night. you got THAT on your team, dogg.

shells thinks these things through. it don't have nothing to do with not liking you or wall. it's just a good solid agenda.

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69. ""thinking things through" is apparently illegal in kentucky"
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at least insofar as it gets in the way of the "all UK guys will go to the HOF and anyone who says differently is just a jealous hater" school of thought.

i love Rondo Who Tries. he can be a Top 5 player in this league. but he doesn't try nearly often enough.

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81. "he really does think all these UK high-profile recruits are can't miss"
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most of 'em are SOLID and only ONE is perennial AS capable...anthony davis.

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82. "I've said this?"
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No, I've never said this.

You find name me a guy and I'd tell you what I think.

It's always been that dude, and you know this.

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71. "I only notice the confused ass stand-in niggaz loving your agendas"
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Shells is the Meshach Taylor to your Arsenio.

He's not bringing anything new to the table.

Just recanting something you've said before.

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74. "ba's a pretty smart dude and uses evidence"
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clearly he's got his agendas, but he actually tries to back them up with facts and game observation. not surprising he and i end up at the same place and you and i don't, since you rely solely on where a guy went to college to guide your evaluations.

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75. "Yes, because YOU watch more games than me."
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Is THAT what you're going on?

Please tell me that's what you're saying.

Also while you're at it say you know more about hoops than I do.

And then follow that up with me basing MY ARGUMENTS on the fact that because players went to KENTUCKY and how that's different from Basa's DUKE arguments?

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76. "lmao @ watching games being the end all and be all"
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john hollinger is running a team, and some of you still don't get it.

caps lock indicates madness, btw. don't get all ired.

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80. "Yes John Hollinger. Thanks."
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No, Caps Lock can also be used to draw attention to certain words in text. Yet you still avoided all of those points.

So fine.

Get your poms poms. And you can continue to be the Little Boy dancing next to MC Hammer in the "2 Legit 2 Quit" video.

Yeah it's cute you're doing the same dance moves as MC Hammer is doing, but ultimately that's all it is....cute. Until you get your own dance moves, I can't really take you seriously.

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88. "advanced stats dont say what u think they say here"
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Some of the best adv stats are five man rotation stats and thry tell a storh of rondo being a hugely positiv e influence on team success.

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63. "i'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy..."
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you know if wall gonna be in houston or somewhere workin on his pick and roll game and jumper?

i know what kyrie would be doing if he wasn't there...workin on his game, prolly tryna add a lefty 18 foot jumper or something.

i bet austin won't be there. he know he sorry and he wanna get better ASAP. bet doron half-crosseyed ass there tho.

that's the difference.

wall gettin FRIED from all directions...STILL won't add new elements to his game.

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68. "Sounds like you're making up a hypocrisy? "
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I don't care about the Celtics record with Rondo.

That's truth.

Rondo has very little to prove by showing how much he means to the Celtics.

***shrugs***

John works on his game and gets better. And he makes his teammates better.

And it shows.

That's why your so pressed.

I highly doubt Austin works harder than Doron. Or else he'd be good. But he's horrible.

So I really wish you had a point.

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70. "it shows so much that they gettin the 9th pick"
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and you'll be mad at whoever that pick is and blame him, just like you blame GREG MONROE for knight being an utter disappointment.

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73. "I don't blame draft picks. That's your thing."
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SEE: Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters

I don't blame Greg Monroe for Knight.

Knight has shown he can't play consistently well at the point.

I'm saying if Wall was healthy the Wiz could've made a run at a playoff spot.

And that makes you frustrated and scared like Derrick Rose being asked to read out loud in public.

**shrugs**

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84. "i blame draft pick that don't perform...not one like GREG MONROE"
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72. "all that needs to be said on wall making people better"
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http://www.82games.com/1213/1213WAS2.HTM

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77. "Ha!"
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Y'all dudes are hilarious...U and Ba should have your own show (real talk...no snark...)

But on the real, I'm in the middle when it comes to this debate...

Wall? It's obvious that he makes his teammates better...The kid is the real deal...Anyone who says differently either isn't watching WIZ game or doesn't know shit about basketball...

Kyrie? The kid is SICK...He's literally the Star Child...It will be interesting to see what happens when he gets a real partner in crime...That kid is scary...

Rondo? Now this is where it gets tricky...I've come around to the fact that dude is for real...His talent is off the charts...But when you hear stories from the Boston organization that the kid tends to stall the offense and pads his dimes (we've all seen it), then what are people supposed to think when his team continues to win without him? Like coach Thibs in the Chi, Doc is working miracles. But it's crazy how Jason Terry all of a sudden is making noise...

If Rondo's teammates and Celtic management are whispering that shit, then well....

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78. "My stance on Rondo."
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Some of that might be the case.

I think a lot of it is him being a micro manager on the floor.

Now if Doc wants it that way, then that's the way the team goes.

But I also think it's reflective of the teams age. When Rondo is going, Truth and KG just chill on both ends of the court and let him go. And they let him go in terms of waiting for him to get them the ball, getting rebounds, pushing on the break (because they're never running with him) unless its a secondary break, or disrupting passing lanes. They relax, take it easy and try to save themselves for the post season.

When Rondo is out, they try harder. A lot harder. First few months Pierce was sleep walking getting crossed up every night. Now he's flirting with triple doubles?

Rondo probably resents that shit, and sometimes ain't gonna go buck against the Raptors. And he reserves the right to feel that way.

The Celts, might be winning now. The other players are trying harder, but lets see how it works out for the rest of the season and ultimately in the playoffs.

This shit about the Celts being 8-2 without Rondo, FG% is up 6 percentage points, people are sharing the ball. It's all lame and a non-story to me.

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79. "very reasonable"
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a little bit of rondo not playing up to his potential, plus a little bit of the old guys dogging it, is a viable equation for why the Cs weren't playing that well with him in the lineup this year.

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83. "Guess how he came to that conclusion? WATCHING GAMES..."
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not no fucking page of advanced adjusted cumulative per 36/48 before the break after the 3rd quarter while the sixth man is in the game stat sheet

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85. "he must not watch Chris Paul games then since he thinks Rondo's better"
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87. "Or maybe I just watch Chris Paul playoff games. "
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90. "RE: Or maybe I just watch Chris Paul playoff games. "
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Shit..On the real, I think Paul would have 2 or 3 rings by now if he played with Paul P. and the Big Ticket....

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91. "of course he would, Rondo has one chip as a weed carrier with 3 HOFs"
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who were still somewhat in their primes at the time.

Anyone who believes that was where they top out with Chris Paul over the past 7 seasons is on serious drugs.

  

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86. "hey, you're back!"
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89. "Why am I even entertaining a dusty ass laker fan about Rondo?"
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Get the fuck outta here. Go figure out Dwight Howard's estrogen levels

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108. "stand by every word"
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>i always thought that rondo's low advanced stats were an
>argument that advanced metrics couldn't capture everything.
>they still can't, but, like, rondo can't be used as proof
>anymore.
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>i don't think it's fair to ask how good rondo can be. i do
>think it's fair to say he's probably the star most
>disinterested in the regular season, to his detriment. a
>fully engaged rondo, like the one who played in the ECF last
>year, is top 5 in the league. as it stands, though, his
>laziness probably keeps him out of the top 5 PGs.
>
>this run the Celtics are on seals it for me. you can't be
>that good if your team immediately gets a lot better without
>you. until rondo deigns to try all the time, I'm not going to
>pretend he's special.

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96. "Damn, Simmons Getting In On The Action? (Rondo Ewing Theory Revisited)"
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8951206/ewing-theory-revisited

Ewing Theory Revisited

Rajon Rondo is testing the bedrock of the Sports Guy's theories; now it's time for an update of the original
By Bill Simmons on February 15, 2013PRINT

When we learned about Rajon Rondo's season-ending injury during ABC's Heat-Celtics game on January 27, every Celtics fan had the same reaction: So long, Puncher's Chance At Making The Eastern Finals.

We zipped through the seven stages of grief in about 45 minutes, barely noticing that the Celtics were playing better without Rondo. For once, they looked like a vintage Garnett-Pierce era Celtics team again. No more mailing in quarters, no more rolling over defensively, no more 22-second possessions followed by ghastly 20-footers. They fended off LeBron and the LeBronettes in double overtime with help from a rollicking, old-school Boston crowd that learned about the severity of Rondo's injury through tweets and texts. And somewhere along the line, more than a few Celtics fans e-mailed me or tweeted me the same two words.

Ewing Theory???

Could it be? We started picking apart Rondo's game in our heads, even if most of us absolutely loved the guy. And believe me — I love the guy. Had I gotten another dog between 2010 and 2012, I absolutely would have named him "Rondo." That's my dude. Other than Larry Legend, he's the most original basketball player I have ever watched on a day-to-day basis. There will never be a Rondo 2.0. Unfortunately, there will always be Basic Cable Rondo and National TV Rondo.

Basic Cable Rondo gets bored easily. He pads his assist totals just to see if he can. He goes entire games without ever driving to the hoop or drawing a foul. He shoots 3s even though he should never, ever, EVER be shooting 3s. He pounds the ball 25 feet away from the basket for no good reason, frowns a little too often, only makes teammates better on his terms. He cheats passing lanes and gambles for steals too much. He pretends to lead without really leading. He's on hyperfocused cruise control, basically. The worst thing about Basic Cable Rondo? You know when he shows up. Right away. Within three minutes of the opening tip.

But National TV Rondo? Sweet Jesus do I love that guy. He's a walking triple-double. He's a beast. He's one of the best eight or nine players alive. You could give National TV Rondo four mediocre teammates and he could hang with any contender. Shit, that's practically what happened in the Eastern finals last spring — Garnett and Pierce were worn down from the shortened season, so was Ray Allen, and nobody else on the team was worth a damn except Brandon Bass. The Celtics came within one victory of beating LeBron in his prime. That's why you put up with Basic Cable Rondo — because National TV Rondo knocks your team's ceiling up a couple floors.

After Allen's acrimonious departure last summer, Rondo made a fuss about transforming the Celtics into his team, which apparently meant scoring more, leading more, doing more … and if you read between the lines, it really meant, "Hey, KG and Paul, step aside, I'm taking the wheel."

To their credit, the old farts took a backseat. Pierce even deferred to Rondo at the ends of tight games, something I never expected to see. But things turned goofy early — Rondo became obsessed with keeping a double-figures assist streak alive. And not in a good way. He wasn't making the right decision every time, just the decision most likely to produce an assist. Defenses played Rondo for the pass on every drive and fast break, turning the streak into something of an ongoing detriment. I loathed the streak. It was a bad look for Rondo — you don't want your leader chasing numbers, even something as seemingly benevolent as assists.

The streak mercifully ended when Rondo got tossed for fighting Kris Humphries in a loss to the Nets, but questions about Rondo's ultimate destiny as a franchise player lingered. You are who you are after seven years in the league. Every night you could put Rondo down for 13 points, 11 assists and five rebounds. And every two weeks or so, he'd slap together four quarters that took your breath away. But Rondo wasn't just going to start averaging 22 points a game; it would have happened by now. For a Celtics team specifically built for him, that's the biggest reason they played a half-season of .500 ball. You're only as good as your best guy.

They couldn't ever beat Miami in a playoff series without Rondo — the only Celtic who could swing two games in a series by himself. But short-term? Maybe our boys would rally without him. We knew the schedule worked in their favor: Six of eight home games post-Miami (and Toronto and Charlotte on the road). We knew Rondo's departure would inadvertently create a more stable playing rotation — now, Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee and Jason Terry would get enough minutes, and so would the perpetually frustrating Jeff Green. We knew there was a chance — repeat: a chance — that Garnett and Pierce would rally as a subtle Eff You to Rondo, their annoying little brother who drove them bonkers even if he would always be family, someone who acted like a bit of a diva behind the scenes, someone who wouldn't exactly win a popularity contest with the people around the organization. An intelligent, demanding, thoughtful guy … yes. But frustrating. That's the word you always hear.

The bigger point: With Rondo, Boston had the league's 26th most efficient offense. This seems relevant since the NBA has only 30 teams. How much would they REALLY miss him on a daily basis? How hard was it to replace 13 points and 11 assists every night? Couldn't you replace 80 percent of those stats? It was conceivable, right? Either way, they had reached a fork in the road — if the season went south, they'd certainly have to trade Pierce (Warriors?) and Garnett (Clippers?) over sentencing them to Lotteryville. That was the right thing to do. At the same time, we needed a few more games. They showed some fight against the Heat. We hadn't seen this team fight more than four times all year.

You know what happened next. They reeled off seven straight Rondo-less victories to the delight (and semi-confusion) of their just-when-I-thought-I-was-out-they-pull-me-back-innnnnnnnnn fans. Somewhere during that time, we realized two things.

1. We're not ready to say good-bye to no. 5 and no. 34 yet. Can't trade them. Can't trade them. Can't trade them. Celtics for life.

2. Even if it makes no sense whatsoever, our boys are playing better without Rondo.

Our eyes weren't deceiving us. The Celtics moved the ball dramatically better without Rondo, to the point that Steve Kerr texted me that they suddenly reminded him of Popovich's Spurs. Their playing rotation fell into place — they finally had enough minutes for everyone. Defensively, the Avery Bradley–Courtney Lee combo could be destructive; throwing in Green and Garnett, suddenly, this Celtics team could get stops. And these guys like playing with each other, which wasn't always the case. Everything crested with last Thursday's thrashing of the Lakers, then Sunday's epic triple-overtime toenail-biter-of-a-heart-attack home win over Denver (a.k.a. "The Blizzard Game"). Heading into the All-Star break, Celtics fans find themselves checking the standings and thinking, "If we can get to the no. 6 seed, we could beat Indy in Round 1, and the Knicks in Round 2, and then LeBron only needs to tweak a hammy and … "

You know who explained the post-Rondo Celtics better than anyone? Kevin Garnett. I know, I know … he wouldn't have been one of your top choices. Here's what he said after the Lakers game:

"Rondo does so many different great things for this team. You can kind of get lackadaisical. It's very similar to when you have someone cooking for you, and you're expecting that every day. But as soon as you start to feed yourself, all of a sudden you start making these gourmet dishes. You start having more people to the house. And you never know you really possessed that. It's kind of like that."

Perfect. That's the thing about the Ewing Theory … it takes various shapes and forms. Sometimes, we just overrated a player, or mistakenly believed he was more valuable than he was. Sometimes, an injury or departure can lead to more minutes for players who fit that team's style and framework better. And sometimes, it might take a simple injury for everyone to realize, We lost our way. We relied on that guy too much. I'm not doing enough. You're not doing enough. Let's step it up. You win a game or two, you build a little momentum, and before you know it, everything falls into place and you're a team.

That's what happened here. The Celtics fell into a collective rut with Rondo, for a variety of reasons, and only when Rondo disappeared did they realize it. They made the appropriate fixes. They keep chugging along. Fair or unfair, they look like the Celtics again.

Which raises the question …

Does this mean Rondo was a Ewing Theory guy?

For the answer, I thought we'd dive into my original Ewing Theory column, which ran on ESPN.com in May 2001 … just a few months before the single best Ewing Theory moment of all time happened. (We'll get to it.) The original column is in bold. My 2013 remarks are in regular font. Here we go.

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You're probably tired of reading those "Where did these guys come from?" stories about the Seattle Mariners, who valiantly clawed their way to baseball's best record earlier this season, despite losing Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr. and Alex Rodriguez over the past three years.

For most baseball fans, Seattle's spring surge was more inexplicable than Colby voting off Keith over Tina on Survivor last week.


Allow me to defend putting a Survivor joke in the opening paragraph of my column — that was Season 2, back when 30 million people were watching every Survivor episode, and Colby ABSOLUTELY should have voted off Tina. So there. Anyway, the 2001 Mariners finished a startling 116-46, a modern-day record that cemented their spot in Ewing Theory lore. Things finally fell apart when they lost to the Yankees in the 2001 ALCS, hitting just .211 in the series. (Translation: They didn't take enough steroids.)

How can a franchise prosper after losing three of the biggest stars in baseball? How does this make sense? I have a three-word explanation for you: "The Ewing Theory."

It's bigger than the "SI Jinx." It makes the "Curse of the Bambino" look like child's play. It's creepier than the "Curse of the Spinal Tap Drummers" and the "Curse on the Careers of Everyone Who Leaves NYPD Blue" combined.


The Ewing Theory outlasted everything except the Curse of the Spinal Tap Dummers. The SI cover jinx stopped mattering right around the same time that Sports Illustrated stopped mattering as much. The "Curse of the Bambino" died in 2004, and thank god. And the NYPD Blue Career Curse fell apart once this happened:

Quite simply, it's the most life-altering sports phenomenon of this lifetime. Here's everything you need to know about the Ewing Theory, in the form of a Q & A:

Q: What's the Ewing Theory? Where did it come from?

The theory was created in the mid-'90s by Dave Cirilli, a friend of mine1 who was convinced that Patrick Ewing's teams (both at Georgetown and with New York) inexplicably played better when Ewing was either injured or missing extended stretches because of foul trouble.


The most common misperception of the Ewing Theory is that some think it was created because we thought the Knicks had a better chance of winning a title without Ewing. Not true. Ewing was only the CATALYST for the theory, and it was as simple as Dave wondering, "Do Ewing's teams always seem to play better when he's on the bench, or am I crazy?" We should also mention that (a) the '84 Hoyas won the NCAA title, and (b) there's no way the Gold Club trial would have been better without Patrick Ewing.

Curious to see if this phenomenon applied to other stars/teams, Dave noticed people were pencilling in the '94-'95 UConn Huskies for a .500 season because "superstar" Donyell Marshall had departed for the NBA. Dave knew better; a lifelong UConn fan, he thought the Huskies relied too much on Marshall the previous season and could survive without him.

Rondo alert!!!!!!!!! Think of KG in the kitchen making those gourmet dishes he never knew he could make.

Like Ali predicting the first Liston knockout, Dave told friends the Huskies would thrive in Marshall's absence — and that's exactly what happened. By midseason, UConn was ranked no. 1 in the country for the first time in school history; the Ewing Theory had been hatched.

How has someone not added "First athlete to definitively prove Dave Cirilli's Ewing Theory" to Donyell's Wikipedia page yet?

Dave introduced me to the Ewing Theory three years ago, and we've been tinkering with it like Voltaire and Thoreau ever since.

I gotta be honest — I don't know who those two guys are.

Eventually, we decided that two crucial elements needed to be in place for any situation to qualify for "Ewing" status:

• A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).


The 2008 Celts won the title with Rondo as their fourth-best player. They made the 2010 Finals with him as their third-best player, and came within one win of making the 2012 Finals with him as their best player. Rondo's case loses major steam here.

• That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) — and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.

When those elements collide, you have the Ewing Theory.


My gut feeling on Rondo's 2013 case: If we're measuring it just by those two elements, then no, he's not eligible. The Celtics enjoyed too much success with Rondo. And they DID win the title with him. I don't think he qualifies. You'll understand why as we keep going.

Q: What's the best example of the Ewing Theory?

That's easy. During the '99 NBA playoffs, Ewing tore an Achilles tendon during the second game of the Eastern finals against Indiana. With Ewing finished for the playoffs and nobody else on the Knicks who could handle Rik Smits, the series seemed like a foregone conclusion. As an added bonus, since Ewing himself was involved, that made this the ultimate test of the Ewing Theory; in fact, I e-mailed Dave that week to say, "This is the greatest test yet."


That really happened. I swear. The karma for me being briefly excited that someone tore his Achilles tendon is going to come back and bite me at some point, almost definitely at USC's Lyon Center as I'm chasing after some 20-year-old around a double screen. Don't think I don't know this. (Belated: Sorry, Patrick.)

Dave's return e-mail oozed with confidence, as he told me in no uncertain terms, "Ewing's injury is the best thing that ever could have happened to the Knicks — they're definitely making the Finals now."

That e-mail exchange spawned the original version of the Ewing Theory column, which premiered on my old website in May 1999. (Two years later, I rewrote it and updated it for ESPN.com's audience.) I predicted the Knicks would outlast Indiana solely based on Dave's Ewing Theory. And that's exactly what happened. My 5,000 readers at the time couldn't have been more impressed. Related: It sucked to write Internet sports columns in 1999. Nobody was online yet.

So what happened? The Knicks won three of the next four and advanced to the NBA Finals for only the second time in 26 years. Had Jeff Van Gundy's crew shocked the Spurs in the Finals without Ewing, Dave might have his own line of "How-To" videos out right now. (A Knicks upset was simply too tall of a task against Duncan and Robinson, Ewing Theory or no Ewing Theory.)

I have to be honest: I'm not sure how to reconcile a watershed Ewing Theory moment (the theory's namesake PROVING THE THEORY) with my fervent belief that we should live our lives as if the 50-game lockout-shortened joke of a '99 NBA season never happened. I caught most of those Celtics home games in person that year … I'd describe the quality of play that season, with only a few exceptions, as "doughy and stoned." Which, coincidentally, was how I took in most of those games.

Q: What are other examples of the Ewing Theory in action?

Some classics from the past three years, in no particular order …2

1. Utah Utes, 1998
Keith Van Horn's ballyhooed college career ends without Utah ever making a Final Four. Nine months later, the Utes shock everyone by making the NCAA title game.


Remember when the words "Keith Van Horn" and "ballyhooed" went together?

2. Tennessee Volunteers, 1998
Even more ballyhooed than Van Horn during his college career, Peyton Manning leaves UT without either winning a national title or beating Florida — and the Vols win the national title nine months later.

Two of the Ewing Theory's lost tragedies? A-Rod and Manning, looming as two A-list examples before they screwed everything up by winning championships (Manning for the '07 Colts, A-Rod for the '09 Yanks). I'm still bitter. And screw you to the 2004 Texas Rangers (89-73 without A-Rod) for not winning three more games, grabbing the AL West and catapulting themselves into Ewing Theory lore.

3. Miami Dolphins, 2000
Dan Marino retires and everyone prepares for a rebuilding year in Miami; the Fins end up advancing to the second round of the playoffs with Jay Fiedler. Jay Fiedler!

Marino lucked out by missing the Internet/Talking Head Sports Era: After making the Super Bowl in his second season, Miami played in one only conference championship for the last 15 years of his career (1985-1999), finishing just 6-8 in the playoffs over that stretch. Marino's career postseason stats: 18 games, 10 losses, 4,510 passing yards, 32 TDs, 24 picks, 77.1 QB rating. I'd keep going, but I don't want to provoke Bill Barnwell into writing a 6,500-word piece about how it's stupid to judge QBs by their playoff stats. He's on vacation.

4. Philadelphia Flyers, 2000
After losing superstar Eric Lindros to a serious concussion in mid-March, the Flyers hold on for first place in the conference and defeat Buffalo and Pittsburgh in the playoffs. In the conference semis, the Flyers take a 3-1 lead when rumors swirl about a Lindros return. Stunned, the Flyers drop Game 5 at home, as Dave and I send frantic e-mails back and forth. Lindros finally returns in Game 6, and the Flyers squander that one, too; now people are blaming Lindros for killing Philly's momentum. In the climactic Game 7, the Flyers get expunged as Lindros gets knocked out with another concussion midway through the game. Season over.

Remember the days when we just casually mentioned concussions in sports columns like they were pulled hamstrings or something? Poor Lindros.

5. Boston Red Sox & Seattle Mariners, 2001 (ongoing)
Written off after Nomar Garciaparra's wrist injury and Alex Rodriguez's departure, both teams cruise to the top of their respective divisions during the first five weeks of the season.

The Mariners kept it going through the first round; the Red Sox fell apart in sections, cementing their legacy as the Most Unlikable Modern Red Sox Team for a good 10 years until the Fried Chicken & Beer Boys zoomed past them. The 2001 Red Sox ended up being so unlikable that I handed out Godfather quotes as end-of-the-season awards. Make yourself a plate of bullet parmigiana and reread it if you're bored. And yes, Nomar triggered the Ewing Theory three years later, when the Red Sox traded him in July and three months later this happened:

6. St. Louis Rams, 1999
Starting QB Trent Green tears an ACL during the preseason. Given up for dead, the Rams rally behind former Arena League football star Kurt Warner and win the Super Bowl, which might be the most unbelievable thing that ever happened.

Confused by two things here: Why did I include the '98 Wildcats when the '96 Wildcats also won the title? And why didn't I play up the '99 Rams more? Now THAT was a Ewing Theory team — post-Green injury, they were fetching 300-to-1 Super Bowl odds in Vegas. Bring up the '99 Rams to anyone who runs a sports book in Vegas and they will start dropping F-bombs.

7. Detroit Lions, 1999
Stunned by Barry Sanders' retirement in August, everyone gives up on the Lions for the '99 season. The Lions respond by sneaking into the NFC playoffs.

I didn't sell this hard enough. The '99 Lions were coached by the immortal Bobby Ross; endured a QB controversy between Charlie Batch and Gus Frerotte; didn't have a running back break 550 yards for the season; were carried by 1,000-yard receiving seasons by Germane Crowell and Johnnie Morton (?????); and somehow grabbed the last NFC wild card even though they finished 8-8. How? The will of the Ewing Theory, that's how. And if you don't think Barry Sanders is a textbook Ewing Theory candidate, you're fooling yourself.

Q: What are some famous examples from the last few decades?3

In no particular order …

1. The L.A. Lakers, 1972:
NBA legend Elgin Baylor retires nine games into the 1971-72 season without ever winning a title. The '71-72 Lakers end up running off a record 33-game winning streak en route to their first-ever NBA title in L.A.4


I didn't play this up enough: The Lakers were 6-3 with the creaky Baylor, whose knees were made out of macaroni salad at that point. Of the many reasons why Elgin goes down as the most underappreciated superstar in NBA history, here's a stealth reason — I don't think many ringless guys would have walked away from that loaded Lakers team, no matter how much their knees were aching. But Elgin did. Now here's the part I undersold — Elgin retired after Game 9. The Lakers won Game 10, Game 42, and EVERY GAME IN BETWEEN. Thirty-three straight! The Ewing Theory has never moved faster or been more potent. Patrick Ewing has to be furious that we're not calling it the Elgin Theory.

2. Virginia Cavaliers, 1984: Three-time Naismith Award winner Ralph Sampson graduates without ever leading Virginia to a national championship. Amazingly, the Cavs regroup the following season behind Othell Wilson and Rick Carlisle, going just as far as Sampson ever took them by sneaking into the Final Four. A Hall of Fame Ewing Theory example.

Don't sleep on how crazy this was. Sampson was the three-time College Player of the Year and the most publicized college center since Bill Walton. And Virginia was playing during a loaded era for college hoops — remember, everyone stayed three or four years back then, so that '84 college season included every superior player from the '84 and '85 NBA drafts (MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing, Mullin, etc.). In the Final Four, Virginia lost to Hakeem's Houston team (Phi Slama Jama, The Sequel) by two points. Repeat: Hakeem Olajuwon was the starting center of the other team. You should not have been coming within two points of the 1984 championship game with Othell Wilson and Rick Carlisle … well, unless you had the Ewing Theory on your side.

3. N.Y. Yankees, 1996: Yankees icon Don Mattingly retires without ever playing in a World Series game. The Yanks replace him with Tino Martinez and immediately roll off four of the next five World Series titles, as Mattingly joins a weekly support group with Buck Showalter.

4. Cleveland Indians, 1997: Superstar slugger Albert Belle signs with the White Sox as a free agent. Eschewed as a threat to win the World Series without Belle, the Indians respond by making it all the way to the seventh game of the '97 World Series.

On paper, Mattingly should have been a monster Ewing Theory example, but three things overshadowed it: (a) everyone loved the Hit Man (even Red Sox fans respected him, for God's sake), (b) the transcendence of this poster, and (c) it was the Yankees. They got to spend gobs of money, everyone wants to play for them, and they've been ripping off World Series titles since the 1920s. Meanwhile, the '97 Indians were a couple of outs away from proving that God didn't hate Cleveland AND making Albert Belle one of the faces of the Ewing Theory. Alas.

5. World Wrestling Federation, 1997: Then-WWF champ Bret "Hitman" Hart signs a contract with Ted Turner's WCW federation (no. 1 in the TV ratings battle at the time). Aided by publicity from a real-life, backstage fight between Hart and WWF owner Vince McMahon after Hart's final match, the WWF rebounds in the Post-Hart Era and regains its no. 1 status within a year. Ironically, Hart's departure is considered the crucial turning point, because it gave birth to McMahon's new "bad guy" status and paved the way for the WWF to promote fresh stars like "Stone Cold" Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels. Even in fake sports, the Ewing Theory is indomitable.

We didn't know this in 2001, but we know it now — this is our single best Ewing Theory example. Eventually, the WCW federation folded. You know who purchased it and obtained control of its wrestlers and entire catalog of matches? That's right … the WWE. Really, we should call this the Hitman Hart Theory.

Q: Currently, who are some possible Ewing Theory candidates?

All right, I'll bite. Remember, we're targeting stars on teams that haven't won anything, as well as teams that would probably be written off without the stars we're about to mention:


Hold onto your seats, this is about to get fun.

• Drew Bledsoe: Every Patriots fan is nodding right now.

A couple of relatively remarkable things here. First, I suggested Bledsoe as my first candidate. Not fifth, not 10th … first. Second, Mo Lewis knocked him out of the lineup just four months later. Third, I started touting New England's Ewing Theory chances with Tom Brady on ESPN.com pretty much right away. Fourth, they improbably won eight of their last nine to make the 2001 playoffs. Fifth, they won the single craziest game in Patriots history (the Snow Game, a.k.a. the Tuck Rule Game), then beat Pittsburgh as double-digit underdogs, then shocked St. Louis as 14-point underdogs in the Super Bowl. Sixth, THE PATRIOTS HAD NEVER WON THE SUPER BOWL BEFORE. Again, Drew Bledsoe was the first Ewing Theory candidate I mentioned. Deep down, we (and by "we," I mean, "Patriots fans") all knew.

• Michael Vick: Textbook case. Everybody's already writing off Virginia Tech for next season, despite the fact that they never won anything with Vick. They might post a 12-0 next season.

Without Vick, Virginia Tech taunted Ewing Theory believers by winning their first eight games before crashing back to earth (they lost four of their last six). So that didn't fly. Vick's Ewing Theory powers also proved futile with the 2007 Falcons, 2012 Eagles and pit bull fighting.

• Chris Webber: Don't laugh. What happens if C-Webb leaves the Kings this summer, and they use the extra cap space to sign two second-tier free agents?

(Cut to every Kings fan nodding wistfully and saying, "Man, I wish it had played out that way.")

• Vince Carter: Watch the Raptors in two years, after Vince joins MJ in D.C. (and you know it's happening).

Didn't happen. Vince pulled down his pants and dropped a massive deuce on the Raptors franchise, forcing a damaging trade to New Jersey and mortally wounding the Raptors until … oh, wait, they've never recovered! My bad. And no, he never played with MJ in D.C. I think I might have been drunk during this part of the column.

• Griffey: The baseball version of Ewing.

Nope. In Cincinnati, Griffey stopped being Griffey. I'm one for five.

• Kobe Bryant: After they split him up from Shaq and he gets his own team.

Even if this didn't happen, I'm giving myself bonus points for predicting the Shaq-Kobe split even if it was relatively easy to predict.

• Pete Sampras: This one makes sense, if you think about it. Taking Sampras out of the men's tennis equation could make Wimbledon more interesting and allow younger, more charismatic players to rise to the forefront.

Bammo! Federer and Nadal! BOOM! I'm 2-for-7. If I can go four for my next 17, I can be the MVP of this column.

• Barry Bonds: It's unfair, but he fits the formula.

And that formula was made up of a variety of chemicals that ended with "-rone." Whoops.

• Manning: You can feel the "Manning goes down and the Colts rally behind James & Harrison" moment coming in the next few years, can't you?

My single biggest Ewing Theory disappointment — not having Manning and the Colts fall into the Ewing Theory's web. I'm still bitter. Final prediction numbers: 2-for-9.

While we're here, some Ewing Theory predictions that I wish I had thought to make back in 2001 include …

Jason Giambi — Left the A's for big bucks in New York, only the Moneyball A's rallied to keep making the playoffs without him — culminating in Michael Lewis's fantastic book, then Brad Pitt's overrated movie that gets worse every time I stumble across it on cable.

Brett Favre — Even though he won Super Bowl XXXI, that was Young Brett Favre, not "Possibly Holding On Too Long And Blocking Aaron Rodgers" Brett Favre. When Green Bay finally pushed Favre out, Rodgers won a Super Bowl three years later. Favre bounced from the Jets to the Vikings, briefly enjoyed a career resurgence, then got pounded like a piece of veal by the bounty-driven Saints before eventually leaving the NFL in disgrace after a dong photo scandal. That reminds me …

ESPN — We beat Favre's retirement yes-or-no dance into the ground for two solid years, then Favre retired, leaving us without a relentlessly annoying talking-head topic that would generate high ratings while deliberately infuriating sports blogs and bringing Richard Deitsch to angry tears … and then, TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-bow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donovan McNabb — How did I leave him off the list? What was I thinking?

Tracy McGrady — This would have been a reach (he was just breaking through for Orlando in 2001), but seven years later, the Rockets ripped off 22 straight wins without the services of Yao or T-Mac for a good chunk of them, then took the eventual Western champion Lakers to Game 7 of the conference semifinals. We have a picture of that team in the Ewing Theory Hall of Fame.

(And three more that I never could have predicted, but still … )

Tiki Barber — Was there any way to guess that Tiki would retire in 2006, followed by the Giants ripping off a Super Bowl title the following season? Of course not. But we should mention that Dave Cirilli gave his official Ewing Theory blessing to the Giants two weeks before Super Bowl XLII (via e-mail). I should have seen the worst Patriots loss of all time coming.

Wayne Rooney — Who remembers when Everton sold the then-teenage hotshot to Manchester United in 2004, then improbably finished fourth in the 2004-05 EPL season to qualify for the Champions League? Anyone? Hello? Where's Brian Phillips?

Jim Harbaugh and Andrew Luck — Let the record show that the 2012 Stanford Cardinal shocked an undefeated Oregon team (giving Alabama a second life and leading to an Alabama–Notre Dame title game), then won the Pac-12 title and the Rose Bowl … and neither Harbaugh nor Luck have won anything yet.

Q: Can the Ewing Theory apply to romance?

You betcha. Everyone has one friend who got dumped by their girlfriend/boyfriend, sending them into a tailspin. You worried about them and their well-being, you logged major phone time with them, you wondered if they would ever bounce back … and then, boom! Your friend started working out, dropping 15 pounds and suddenly looking better than ever. They also started going out three times a week, rekindling all their old friendships; within time, they had completely regained their mojo. And inevitably, when they finally started dating again, their new flame put the old one to shame. That's the Ewing Theory in a nutshell.


Or as it's also known, What Roger Clemens Did To Red Sox Fans. I should have thrown in PEDs.

(Semi-related: What's the best celebrity Ewing Theory romance? With apologies to Mila Kunis post–Macaulay Culkin, I'm going with Ben Affleck. Remember when he hit rock bottom after J.Lo dumped him and Gigli bombed? Well, he found Jennifer Garner, got his act together, rebuilt his career and eventually became an award-winning A-list director. That's right, J.Lo — you and your bubble butt are headed for the Ewing Theory Hall of Fame.)

Q: Can the Ewing Theory be applied to the entertainment world?

That's a little bit tougher, because people don't write off bands, TV shows and movies the same way we write off sports teams. With that said, there have been a number of Ewing Theory moments when an impending loss seemed devastating and ended up becoming a blessing in disguise. For instance:

1. Beverly Hills 90210, 1994: After petulant star Shannen Doherty leaves the show, the producers import Tiffani-Amber Thiessen as the resident vixen during the watershed "Dylan's drinking again" season — maybe the greatest upgrade in TV history.


I never should have written the word "maybe." Our Mount Rushmore Ewing Theory examples: Bret Hart, Drew Bledsoe, Shannen Doherty and Elgin Baylor. Even if it's totally clichιd to see those four names together.

2. Van Halen, 1986: After David Lee Roth's sudden departure, everyone writes off the band when cheesy '80s singer Sammy Hagar is brought aboard. They end up releasing two successful albums ("5150" and "OU812") and not totally embarrassing themselves.

I've had another 12 years to think about it … I think they embarrassed themselves. Even if this happens to be one of the most secretly enjoyable six minutes and 16 seconds on YouTube:

3. Cheers, 1986: Shelley Long leaves the series to pursue a film career, the producers replace her with Kirstie Alley and the show eventually reaches no. 1.

This was a slight reach — Cheers during the first three Shelley Long years was superior to any other Cheers season. But you can't deny the "no. 1 overall" thing.

4. NYPD Blue, 1995: David Caruso leaves the show in the second season, presumably to star in movies with Shelley Long. The producers replace him with Jimmy Smits, revolve the show around Smits and Dennis Franz, and ratings actually improve.

We had Long in the 1980s and Caruso in the 1990s, but nobody in the 2000s … well, unless you want to make the case for Katherine Heigl. (And by the way, I won't stop you.) It's disappointing because I always loved when actors/actresses stupidly left TV shows thinking that they had some monster movie career waiting for them. Nowadays, there's too much money and prestige in television — someone like Jon Hamm is smart enough to milk Mad Men for as long as possible while also pursuing movies. Still, it's depressing that there wasn't a hardcore Long-Caruso case for the 2000s. Couldn't David Schwimmer have left Friends three years early so we could have made fun of him for the rest of eternity?

5. The Corleones, late '40s: After Sonny's tragic death and the near-assassination of Don Vito, the family's youngest son (Michael) emerges from exile in Italy and turns the Corleone family around, defying heavy odds and the skepticism of just about everyone (even his brother, Fredo).

Like what happened with the Buss family, only the opposite.

(One TV classic that was immune to the powers of the Ewing Theory: Three's Company. They never adequately replaced the Ropers or Chrissy Snow. But that's a story for another time … )

It's really not. Nobody younger than 35 cares about Three's Company. While we're here, a few more pop culture–related Ewing Theory thoughts for you …

• Vin Diesel and Paul Walker are Ewing Theory–proof. Don't you even dare. We need both. They can never leave the Fast & Furious franchise. I don't have to elaborate. Same goes for Jeff Probst and Survivor. But Chris Harrison? You can leave anytime.

• I was hoping for Ewing Theory action with Charlie Sheen and Two and a Half Men, but it never really happened. Kudos to Sheen for fighting it off.

• The most depressing Ewing Theory example ever? Joy Division's Ian Curtis committed suicide in 1980, causing the band to morph into New Order (a better and more successful band). The second-most depressing example? Courtney Love's music career post-Cobain (for the first few years, anyway). Let's just move on.

• The second-best TV example ever (trailing only Doherty-T.A.T.): The Daily Show after Craig Kilborn left in 1998 … and someone named Jon Stewart took over.

• The third-best TV example ever: Kathie Lee Gifford giving way to Kelly Ripa. Actually, that might be higher.

• The fourth-best TV example ever: Season 8 of Curb Your Enthusiasm after Larry and Cheryl broke up and Cheryl Hines disappeared from the show, leading to two Pantheon episodes ("Palestinian Chicken" and the "Mister Softee" episode featuring Buckner), three hilarious everyday terms for us to steal ("the social assassin," "Koufaxing" and "chat-and-cut") and Larry embracing his newfound single status and a self-proclaimed social assassin.

Q: Who were the prime "Shoulda-Been" candidates who somehow escaped the Ewing Theory's wrath over the years?

We'll make this list as cryptic as possible; you figure it out: Mike Schmidt; Walter Payton; Roy Hobbs; Wilt Chamberlain; Robin Quivers; Phil Esposito; Roger Clemens; Henry Kissinger; Bob Cousy; Julius Erving (with the Sixers); George Clooney; Dick Butkus; Cosmo Kramer; Ted Williams; Bo and Luke Duke; Dirk Diggler; Ernie Banks; John F. Kennedy; Andre the Giant; Greg Maddux; Warren Coolidge; Ray Bourque; Frank Deford; Paul Shaffer.


Look, I made that list and still can't figure out why half the names made it.

Finally, what would be the greatest triumph for the Ewing Theory?

The Mariners somehow winning the 2001 World Series — nothing would top that one on the Ewing Scale.


I was wrong. Three words: Tom F-ing Brady.

One last note: If you believe in omens, remember that A-Rod, Junior and the Big Unit might have all departed from Seattle over the past three years, but another marquee athlete was traded to Seattle last fall. His name? Patrick Ewing.

Hmmmmmm …


This was like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters — seven years later, the Sonics fled Seattle for Oklahoma City. It's almost like the Ewing Theory imploded on itself.

And now, without further ado, the Ewing Theory Power Rankings — a.k.a., our best bets to become Ewing Theory candidates at some point during the rest of this decade. Even if there's no way to predict this stuff, I'm still predicting it. In no particular order …

George Lucas — You know, if J.J. Abrams invigorates the Star Wars franchise.

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick Four Years From Now — I hate myself for typing this.

Matt Ryan, Adrian Peterson — Think about it.

Matt Lauer — My sneaky-favorite example … although I'm president of the Willie Geist Fan Club.

David Price — After he signs with the Dodgers for $300 million in two years. Says Grantland's Jonah Keri, "One of these years, the Rays are going to catch some luck on these playoff or near-playoff runs and fluke their way to a World Series win … so why not without the best left-handed starting pitcher in the American League?" I like it.

Steve Buscemi in Boardwalk Empire — I don't watch this show, but Grantland editor Dan Fierman swears that it's a dead-on example.

Brody in Homeland — Had they killed him off after Season 1, there would have been major Ewing Theory possibilities. FYI: There's still time.

Alex Ovechkin — This pick was approved by Katie Bakes.

Billy Beane — How great would that be?

Mark Zuckerberg — Ditto.

Carmelo Anthony — Fits all the criteria.

Pope Benedict XVI — Come on, I had to.

David Stern — Kudos to the Commish because he sniffed out his own Ewing Theory potential, then decided to hang on through February 2014 until the league was in good enough shape that nobody could say, "Things turned around because Stern left!" Yet another reason why he's one of the smartest dudes in sports history.

Rajon Rondo — Only if the Celtics make the 2013 Finals. And only then.

Bill Simmons — Here's how I could get foiled by my own favorite theory in two steps:

1. I get fired for saying something totally inappropriate/offensive on live TV during NBA Countdown.

2. Grantland takes off with new editor-in-chief Rembert Browne.

(Gulp.)

  

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107. "Oh so Chicago bout to win a series w/o Rose but the Celtics"
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can't win a GAME with Rondo?

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Lach
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109. "Rose looking overrated as hell"
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The Bulls may not be able to score as well without Rose but they still play lock down D.

  

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110. "Rose is basically a bigger/humble AI w/o the heart"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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