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"The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post"
Fri Oct-19-12 01:03 PM by RandomFact

  

          

Two things to care about.

1. Jimmy Butler's development. He needs to become a good all around player. Arron Afflalo-ish.

2. Taj's jumper. That J MUST be milky. He'll need to put up at least 15 a game next season when Carlos is gone.

Best case scenario: Thibs' yelling, Thibs' Defense, and Kirk's Thrust help to position us as a 5 seed when Rose returns after the all star break. We then proceed make a run at the three seed with Rose playing at 80% of his usually capacity. In the playoffs, Rose gets up to around 90% (he's young! it's possible!) and we compete with anyone not named Miami.

Worst case scenario: Thibs' yelling, Kirk's Thrust, and our lack of a reliable three point threat have us fighting for an eighth seed. A depressed Rose comes back and coasts the final two months while Kirk and Luol break the record for most minutes played in a single season. Meanwhile, in Derrick's absence, Nate, Carlos, Rip and whichever Euro's are on the roster revolt against Thibs' fascist style of coaching and the team slowly goes into disarray.

I expect us to be somewhere in between.


  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Nate Robinson will have some big games
Oct 19th 2012
1
*negrodamus*
Apr 20th 2013
147
RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post
Oct 19th 2012
2
so who do you expect to draft to be out savior?
Oct 19th 2012
3
      RE: so who do you expect to draft to be out savior?
Oct 19th 2012
4
           we will be able to get a good player from Kentucky late...
Oct 19th 2012
5
                Teague isn't good.
Nov 11th 2012
10
                it appears to be that he sucks lol
Nov 11th 2012
11
                he's 19
Nov 11th 2012
12
                He's here for three years. He'll get a chance.
Nov 11th 2012
14
                We are in a good position
Apr 20th 2013
146
anything is possible come april
Oct 19th 2012
6
Bulls need to tank and sit D.Ross out til March
Oct 20th 2012
7
The Nate//Rose backcourt gonna be nasty in small stretches.
Nov 10th 2012
8
I like Nate
Nov 11th 2012
9
Nate been out here lookin like the grand prize winner
Nov 11th 2012
13
I'm not mad at this roster anymore
Nov 11th 2012
15
Obviously losing Asik was significant.
Nov 11th 2012
16
RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post
Nov 28th 2012
17
Bucher just launched a missle at the Berto center
Dec 05th 2012
18
RE: Bucher just launched a missle at the Berto center
Dec 05th 2012
19
i'm gonna be so mad when rose re-injures himself trying to
Dec 05th 2012
20
except this is some bullshit
Dec 05th 2012
26
lolz. what in the purple fuck is ric talking about?
Dec 06th 2012
27
      Booger's Rose Agenda stems from his anti-Bron one, he went all in 2010
Dec 16th 2012
30
Im not trying to troll you guys but thanks for Omer
Dec 05th 2012
21
houston used a loophole in the arenas provision
Dec 05th 2012
22
      RE: houston used a loophole in the arenas provision
Dec 05th 2012
23
      hindsight is 20/20
Dec 05th 2012
24
           i'm not disagreeing w/ you, just offering the FO's POV
Dec 05th 2012
25
Wow...
Dec 15th 2012
28
yea bill cosby looked good
Dec 15th 2012
29
The best part is he doesn't take criticism to heart & works.
Dec 16th 2012
31
      seems like he's got little-brother-syndrome
Dec 16th 2012
32
.
Dec 16th 2012
Teague looking like Rose's backup for the next three seasons
Dec 16th 2012
33
This.
Dec 17th 2012
35
Great game Teague killed it
Dec 16th 2012
34
Other than Benedict The Moor, who wants Rose back THIS season?
Dec 17th 2012
36
i've never understood the logic behind giving up on this season
Dec 17th 2012
37
*raises hand*
Dec 17th 2012
38
here
Dec 17th 2012
39
ONLY if we maintain a top 4 seed
Dec 17th 2012
40
but we were never going to tank
Dec 17th 2012
42
JR gutted the bench in ORDER to tank
Dec 18th 2012
48
      RE: JR gutted the bench in ORDER to tank
Dec 18th 2012
49
      nah, code word: cheap
Dec 18th 2012
50
      RE: nah, code word: cheap
Dec 18th 2012
51
      CORRECTED: nah, code word: cheap & greedy
Dec 18th 2012
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           RE: CORRECTED: nah, code word: cheap & greedy
Dec 18th 2012
53
           Well a 3rd team might need to be involved but
Dec 19th 2012
56
           I don't see anyone worth tanking for in this draft yet..PEEP
Dec 19th 2012
55
      it gets too wordy for me below (ie tldr)
Dec 18th 2012
54
RE: ONLY if we maintain a top 4 seed
Dec 17th 2012
47
RE: Other than Benedict The Moor, who wants Rose back THIS season?
Dec 17th 2012
46
I look at it from a confidence standpoint
Dec 17th 2012
41
Thibs opposition to playing Jimmy Buckets extended minutes
Dec 17th 2012
43
Taj....um, can i get some fucking vitriol around please? he sorry as fuc...
Dec 17th 2012
44
RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post
Dec 17th 2012
45
thibodeau might be the best coach in the league.
Jan 21st 2013
57
Bulls play playoff style defense every game.
Jan 21st 2013
58
RE: thibodeau might be the best coach in the league.
Jan 21st 2013
59
lol @ that jab at that "tank the season" stance.
Jan 21st 2013
60
the "tank the season" thing was always silly as fuck tho.
Jan 21st 2013
62
      RE: the "tank the season" thing was al...
Jan 21st 2013
64
      sorry dogg...
Jan 21st 2013
66
           RE: sorry dogg...
Jan 21st 2013
67
      RE: the "tank the season" thing was always silly as fuck tho.
Jan 21st 2013
65
           you're still missing the point.
Jan 21st 2013
68
                RE: you're still missing the point.
Jan 21st 2013
69
                RE: you're still missing the point.
Jan 21st 2013
72
                     RE: you're still missing the point.
Jan 22nd 2013
73
RE: thibodeau might be the best coach in the league.
Jan 21st 2013
61
Defensively, no doubt. Overall, he trails only Popp imo
Jan 21st 2013
63
His offensive coaching game is underrated.
Jan 21st 2013
70
      RE: His offensive coaching game is underrated.
Jan 21st 2013
71
Jimmy....
Jan 22nd 2013
74
teammates calling him '"kobe stopper" post game
Jan 22nd 2013
75
Buckets, Jimmy
Jan 22nd 2013
76
Just How Good Are the Chicago Bulls?
Jan 23rd 2013
77
Loving the Butler-Deng pairing idea.
Jan 23rd 2013
78
this :
Jan 23rd 2013
80
Butler been out here looking like the grand prize winner
Jan 23rd 2013
79
Jimmy's improvement will be huge
Jan 23rd 2013
81
this guy didn't even mention Booz stepping up
Jan 23rd 2013
82
yeah i noticed that
Jan 23rd 2013
83
wat
Jan 23rd 2013
85
      thats a gloss over dog Boozer been one of the best 2 players
Jan 31st 2013
88
RE: Just How Good Are the Chicago Bulls?
Jan 23rd 2013
84
prolly the best game they've played this season.
Jan 26th 2013
86
I'm gonna need for RIP to be moved ASAP
Jan 31st 2013
87
i think a Nate/Rose backcourt will come into play eventually
Jan 31st 2013
91
Thibs is gonna use Kirk at the 2 and Jimmy at the 3:
Jan 31st 2013
92
RE: Thibs is gonna use Kirk at the 2 and Jimmy at the 3:
Jan 31st 2013
94
Belinelli is the 1st off the bench.
Jan 31st 2013
99
I like this lineup better.
Feb 01st 2013
102
I disagree.
Jan 31st 2013
98
      RE: I disagree.
Feb 01st 2013
101
i think we can keep Booz and trade Taj next year.. (unless we make a big...
Jan 31st 2013
89
RE: i think we can keep Booz and trade Taj next year.. (unless we make a...
Jan 31st 2013
90
Wait...wha?
Jan 31st 2013
93
      7.5 to taj + 5 to Rip next year (team option)
Jan 31st 2013
95
           are you that hard pressed to keep boozer tho?
Jan 31st 2013
96
                im 60-40 on keeping him but i know we are paying him a grip
Jan 31st 2013
97
                     He's having a great season thus far.
Jan 31st 2013
100
Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???
Feb 05th 2013
103
RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???
Feb 05th 2013
104
Found it:
Feb 05th 2013
108
RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???
Feb 05th 2013
105
RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick =
Feb 05th 2013
106
it would have to definately be for a clear superstar
Feb 06th 2013
109
Grantland article on Jimmy Butler by Zach Lowe
Feb 05th 2013
107
Bulls discussing Boozer for Bargnani?
Feb 07th 2013
110
FUCK NO
Feb 07th 2013
111
I have a hard time believing it
Feb 07th 2013
112
ugh who's campaigning for this? belinelli? lol
Feb 07th 2013
113
Yucko and fuck no.
Feb 07th 2013
114
I'll put it like this...
Feb 07th 2013
115
      that charlotte pick is top 15 protected so thats not happening
Feb 08th 2013
116
disgusting
Feb 08th 2013
117
Denver is just a tough place to play
Feb 08th 2013
118
Nate got player of the week in the East last week
Feb 08th 2013
119
Rose/Robinson back court? Eh.
Feb 09th 2013
121
Man, Magic said it....Don't rush the kid back...
Feb 09th 2013
120
It's the same story as the preseason "we should tank" chatter
Feb 09th 2013
122
      RE: It's the same story as the preseason "we should tan...
Feb 09th 2013
123
If this shit goes down, I was 100% right about JR wanting to tank:
Feb 15th 2013
124
Ha!
Feb 15th 2013
125
wow.
Feb 15th 2013
126
RE: If this shit goes down, I was 100% right about JR wanting to tank:
Feb 18th 2013
127
You been on this Barg kick since the rumor popped up
Feb 19th 2013
131
smdh x4
Feb 18th 2013
128
It'll get us under the cap...we are like 3 mil or so over right now
Feb 19th 2013
132
That would be a bad move for the Raptors
Feb 18th 2013
129
I agree...
Feb 19th 2013
133
Outside of Miami the East is evenly matched
Feb 18th 2013
130
Reggie Rose is mad
Feb 21st 2013
134
RE: Reggie Rose is mad
Feb 21st 2013
135
but then if Rose doesn't come back...
Feb 21st 2013
136
This team is like Aaron Aflalo away from a championship.
Feb 21st 2013
138
      RE: This team is like Aaron Aflalo away from a championship.
Feb 21st 2013
139
I'm happy his manager is his brother and his name is "Reggie"
Feb 21st 2013
137
We played defense in January.
Feb 27th 2013
140
RE: We played defense in January.
Feb 27th 2013
141
psychic instincts tell me he will be back tomorrow
Mar 20th 2013
142
man i hope so cause now that i know he is cleared every time
Mar 21st 2013
143
      I expect both to continue when he returns.
Mar 21st 2013
144
No Noah? Nets in 6.
Apr 19th 2013
145
close games would be fun
Apr 20th 2013
148
i'm reading noah will try to play tonight
Apr 20th 2013
149

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1. "Nate Robinson will have some big games"
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Jimmy Butler should be solid contribution and at least be able to defend on the perimeter.

Radmon and Marco need to hit the three when they get open looks

Kirk and Jaric need to just play Calderonish at the point and not turn over the ball.

Deng, Boozer, Taj all need to step up as scorers and Nazr will definitely get his. He will put up better numbers than Asik would have especially on offense.


We will get a few ass whoopings, but with good D and if we can move one of the contracts by trade deadline, we can be in a nice position by "The Return"



Nasty Nate will get off though just purely based on we still have Rip and Deng and Boozer who can all hit an nice outside shot and midrange game.



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147. "*negrodamus*"
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2. "RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post"
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On the real, I hope none of that happens...

I'm looking for a lot of L's for my Bulls....And Rose sitting out for the year...Getting 43-48 wins and a first round exit doesn't help us at all...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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3. "so who do you expect to draft to be out savior?"
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4. "RE: so who do you expect to draft to be out savior?"
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Fri Oct-19-12 05:11 PM by murph71

          


Anyone coming out of that Kentucky NBA factory....lol

Coach Cal is RECRUITING some monsters over there....

And it's not about getting a savior...Assuming we have a healthy Rose, we already have our savior...

We just need more offensive options....

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5. "we will be able to get a good player from Kentucky late..."
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hell, didn't we JUST get Teague late lol

Dan Orton and Bledsoe dropped so Kentucky role players will be there.


We should just snatch up Wayne Blackshear and Tim Hardaway Jr and go all out CHICAGO on the league



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10. "Teague isn't good."
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He was bad in summer league and horrible in the pre season.

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11. "it appears to be that he sucks lol"
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12. "he's 19"
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14. "He's here for three years. He'll get a chance."
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would've been a lottery pick if he wasn't on that Kentucky team. the talent is there. not sure if he'll ever put it all together though.

with Kirk possibly being out he may get run sooner than later. if he can give us 10 minutes without turning the ball over that'll be a start in the right direction.

  

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146. "We are in a good position"
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*pats self on back for the lowkey NCAA final prediction*


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6. "anything is possible come april"
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but until then I think it's gonna be a tough season. We already know all there is to know about our starting 5. Joakim will bring energy, defense, and boards. Boozer will hopefully get 15-20 and somewhere around 10. Deng will average around 20 but needs to have some big games. Rip will be on and off if he can stay healthy, and Kirk will be a serviceable point guard. Hopefully we extend Taj before the season starts and he shows us enough to amnesty Boozer down the line.

We lost a lot in the offseason and our bench seems weaker now. I'm not seeing what everybody else is in Jimmy Butler. He looks passive and uncomfortable out there and although he's a good defensive player, his offensive game is pretty weak. I'd even say Ronnie Brewer had better offense than Butler. Hopefully he'll work on it.

Nazr Mohammed and Nate Robinson were our best pickups. Nazr is like a cross between Kurt Thomas and Omer Asik and should give us good minutes when we need him too. Nate will be a good spark off the bench but a liability on defense.

Belinelli doesn't look good so far. He's better than Korver at putting the ball on the floor but has less confidence in his shot than I thought he would.

Teague isn't ready for the NBA and I'm not sure he ever will be. The rest of our team are scrubs who will barely play.


What scares me most is who we go to at the end of close games. Robinson is the best at creating his own shot but is 5'9. I'm not sure anybody on this team right now is capable of hitting big shots when it counts.

On top of that, I gotta admit, this team is incredibly boring to watch. I'll still watch all of their games but damn are they boring.

When Rose comes back though, who knows. We'll make the playoffs and if we get a streak of luck I think we can make some noise. Yet all of us Bulls fans know this is not our year. Hopefully this situation forces others to step up, Derrick comes back stronger than ever, and we sign another all star in the offseason.

  

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7. "Bulls need to tank and sit D.Ross out til March "
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8. "The Nate//Rose backcourt gonna be nasty in small stretches. "
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Nice to have someone else that can create a jumpshot for themselves.

  

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9. "I like Nate "
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Wish we had a guy like him the last few yrs. So it's looking like we are going to be a playoff team again. Hopefully rose comes back fully recovered with no issues but no earlier than after the all star break.

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13. "Nate been out here lookin like the grand prize winner"
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15. "I'm not mad at this roster anymore "
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16. "Obviously losing Asik was significant."
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Omer and Taj were the Bench Mob. these days our bench isn't about to mob on anyone. though I'm *almost* ready to say Marco > Kyle. And Nate is clearly better than CJ.

But overall the bench seems to be progressing as a unit each game so there is hope for a good group to come together eventually.

  

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17. "RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post"
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Wed Nov-28-12 04:17 PM by RandomFact

  

          

>Worst case scenario: Thibs' yelling, Kirk's Thrust, and our
>lack of a reliable three point threat have us fighting for an
>eighth seed. A depressed Rose comes back and coasts the final
>two months while Kirk and Luol break the record for most
>minutes played in a single season. Meanwhile, in Derrick's
>absence, Nate, Carlos, Rip and whichever Euro's are on the
>roster revolt against Thibs' fascist style of coaching and the
>team slowly goes into disarray.
>

just replace Kirk with Noah.

  

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18. "Bucher just launched a missle at the Berto center"
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Wed Dec-05-12 04:11 PM by RandomFact

  

          

this right here is much needed *golf clap*

hopefully more writers pick up on this. time for reinsdorf to stop exploiting the fan base and the franchise talent (remember, MJeff was underpaid for most of his career).

if he's correct about what Rose's camp is thinking, i agree 100%. goes back to my theory that the Bulls should've brought in talent this offseason instead of regressing. give him a good group to come back to instead this patchwork bunch even if we're not competing for a title. should've been committed to improving this years roster over last years evn with him out.

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He's not anywhere close to practicing or playing. There are those in his camp who don't think he should play at all this season, for a couple of reasons: first, and foremost, the Bulls don't have a championship-caliber roster, so why shorten the strength and conditioning period for his knee to drag them into the playoffs or an extra round or two deeper. Second, don't mask just how flawed this roster is by coming back and finishing up strong. (My second call-out of the week: where are all those trumpeting the last few years how the Bulls' success was more or equally about their defense and Tom Thibodeau's coaching over DRose being a one-man assault weapon? Or that there was more talent around him than some people realized? No offense to Thibodeau, who is a very good coach, but just how brilliant is he looking now? Or the suggestion the Bulls' defense was good in spite, not because, of Derrick? Defensive FG percentage, overall and from 3pt range, suggest otherwise. And then there's just watching and comparing the actual games, that antiquated means of assessing a team -- I know, I'm a dinosaur that way.) Of course, all of this could be trumped by Rose simply deciding his body feels good enough to return and refusing to wait a minute longer. That is a very real possibility -- the Bulls could be 11 games out of a playoff spot with 10 to play and Rose would still think he could find a way to lead them there, or kill himself trying. But any suggestions that he could come back before March, from what I'm told, is filling the fan base and everyone else with unrealistic hope that a championship run is still in the equation. This season will be worthwhile if, and only if, it convinces management not to exploit Rose's talent, refusal to complain and never-say-die attitude and accept that what they have around him right now is not enough.

  

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19. "RE: Bucher just launched a missle at the Berto center"
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>this right here is much needed *golf clap*
>
>hopefully more writers pick up on this. time for reinsdorf to
>stop exploiting the fan base and the franchise talent
>(remember, MJeff was underpaid for most of his career).
>
>if he's correct about what Rose's camp is thinking, i agree
>100%. goes back to my theory that the Bulls should've brought
>in talent this offseason instead of regressing. give him a
>good group to come back to instead this patchwork bunch even
>if we're not competing for a title. should've been committed
>to improving this years roster over last years evn with him
>out.
>
>http://sulia.com/channel/all-sports/f/c12c2f97-275f-43fa-9b67-9c85876a52a4/?source=twitter
>
>He's not anywhere close to practicing or playing. There are
>those in his camp who don't think he should play at all this
>season, for a couple of reasons: first, and foremost, the
>Bulls don't have a championship-caliber roster, so why shorten
>the strength and conditioning period for his knee to drag them
>into the playoffs or an extra round or two deeper. Second,
>don't mask just how flawed this roster is by coming back and
>finishing up strong. (My second call-out of the week: where
>are all those trumpeting the last few years how the Bulls'
>success was more or equally about their defense and Tom
>Thibodeau's coaching over DRose being a one-man assault
>weapon? Or that there was more talent around him than some
>people realized? No offense to Thibodeau, who is a very good
>coach, but just how brilliant is he looking now? Or the
>suggestion the Bulls' defense was good in spite, not because,
>of Derrick? Defensive FG percentage, overall and from 3pt
>range, suggest otherwise. And then there's just watching and
>comparing the actual games, that antiquated means of assessing
>a team -- I know, I'm a dinosaur that way.) Of course, all of
>this could be trumped by Rose simply deciding his body feels
>good enough to return and refusing to wait a minute longer.
>That is a very real possibility -- the Bulls could be 11 games
>out of a playoff spot with 10 to play and Rose would still
>think he could find a way to lead them there, or kill himself
>trying. But any suggestions that he could come back before
>March, from what I'm told, is filling the fan base and
>everyone else with unrealistic hope that a championship run is
>still in the equation. This season will be worthwhile if, and
>only if, it convinces management not to exploit Rose's talent,
>refusal to complain and never-say-die attitude and accept that
>what they have around him right now is not enough.



The guy is reading my mind...

But really it goes back to Jerry's cheap ass...Maybe Rose stops playing the good soldier and demands more help...Because it's obvious the kid has no business getting back on the court in this situation...And it's obvious our off-season moves were laughable...

Hey...at least now we know Asik has more of an impact than Samuel Dalambert....

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20. "i'm gonna be so mad when rose re-injures himself trying to "
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lift this shitty team from the depths of terribleness.

we all know it's coming...


in the meantime, operation pseudo-tank is fairing quite well. rip is down, boozer/noah/deng soon to follow. once that happens, we'll be in OFFICIAL tank territory.


but to JR's defense, he really couldn't have made that many moves this offseason. mayo would've been the surefire signing, however, we have RIP who is starting and Mayo was looking for a payday. Dallas probably guaranteed him a starting spot, which we should've done. other than that, there wasn't really shit out there. in hindsight, i think the biggest mistake was not going all out for melo in 2010.

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26. "except this is some bullshit"
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>(My second call-out of the week: where
>are all those trumpeting the last few years how the Bulls'
>success was more or equally about their defense and Tom
>Thibodeau's coaching over DRose being a one-man assault
>weapon? Or that there was more talent around him than some
>people realized? No offense to Thibodeau, who is a very good
>coach, but just how brilliant is he looking now? Or the
>suggestion the Bulls' defense was good in spite, not because,
>of Derrick? Defensive FG percentage, overall and from 3pt
>range, suggest otherwise. And then there's just watching and
>comparing the actual games, that antiquated means of assessing
>a team -- I know, I'm a dinosaur that way.)

that point would maybe make an ounce of sense if management had not gutted out the bench this summer

what the fuck kinda oranges to dildos comparison is that

  

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27. "lolz. what in the purple fuck is ric talking about?"
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>No offense to Thibodeau, who is a very good
>coach, but just how brilliant is he looking now? Or the
>suggestion the Bulls' defense was good in spite, not because,
>of Derrick? Defensive FG percentage, overall and from 3pt
>range, suggest otherwise.

wat.

as i type this, the bulls are atop their division and leading the league in defensive efficiency. | http://es.pn/UhaF2L

not sure where blond frankenstein is coming from w/ this, but thibodeau's certainly performing to his usual standard of excellence and any implication otherwise is outright laughable.

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30. "Booger's Rose Agenda stems from his anti-Bron one, he went all in 2010"
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stating that Rose had clearly passed Lebron as the better player & was going to ensure that Lebron never won a title because he had the testicular-fortitude (or whatever other non-hooping-journalistic-cliche you can think of) that Lebron didn't.

He damn near cried after that year's Eastern Conference Finals on-air but he recovered in time for the dogpile of the Fnals, he's blaming Rose's injury for last year's Heat win & he's gonna ride that out for as long as possible even if it means taking Thibs down with it.

  

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21. "Im not trying to troll you guys but thanks for Omer"
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Ive been a Taj fan since USC, but Omer has a chance to be a pretty special Center--especially in todays NBA. I think some of you guys knew that. He's one player in the league I knew very little about. Not sure why really

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22. "houston used a loophole in the arenas provision"
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to backload the contract wich would've put chicago in lux tax territory. and chicago wasn't about to go into the tax w/ their best player's knee still a ? not to mention, they were already planning on overpaying for taj knowing that boozer would be gone within a year.

anyway, glad ya'll got him and i'm glad he's doing well. he's a career 12-12 guy. very solid. but it ain't like chicago just let him walk on some "peace" type shit. you see, they just like overpaying "good character" players (deng,hinrich), in effect squelching future financial flexibility.

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23. "RE: houston used a loophole in the arenas provision"
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Yeah...that poison pill in Asik's contract killed up.....

It wasn't an easy give up...But we still should have kept Brewer, CJ and got a better back up center....

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24. "hindsight is 20/20"
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but isnt it easier to fill the 4 then the 5?
So you let Boozer walk, Taj walks and you keep Asik. I mean you guys would know better than me but you dont think Noah can play 4 effectively at all?

>to backload the contract wich would've put chicago in lux tax
>territory. and chicago wasn't about to go into the tax w/
>their best player's knee still a ? not to mention, they were
>already planning on overpaying for taj knowing that boozer
>would be gone within a year.
>
>anyway, glad ya'll got him and i'm glad he's doing well. he's
>a career 12-12 guy. very solid. but it ain't like chicago just
>let him walk on some "peace" type shit. you see, they just
>like overpaying "good character" players (deng,hinrich), in
>effect squelching future financial flexibility.
>
>and yes, i'm mad.

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25. "i'm not disagreeing w/ you, just offering the FO's POV"
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ANY bulls fan who has the slightest b-ball knowledge would tell you Asik > Taj. however, Asik and Noah couldn't be on the court together because they're essentially the same player. Until Noah starts making j's consistently (which won't happen) he needs to be on the court w/ a stretch 4/5. It was either asik or noah.

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28. "Wow..."
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The kid Marquis Teague is showing he can play...His numbers look mortal...But dude made some key plays in this Bulls win against Brooklyn...

I was impressed....good win for the boys...

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29. "yea bill cosby looked good"
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still making some rookie mistakes (some phantom calls against him though) but he shows flashes of why the bulls drafted him. it's gotta be hard playing under a coach as demanding as thibs but cosby has been given a lot of trust and he's delivering.

same with marco, who is challenging rip's starting spot for next year.

taj still seems lost out there

deng has been disappointingly average all season. both him and noah already seem gassed to me, yet we don't have any bench players that can sub in for them.

bulls started out the game really strong but their energy faltered after the first couple of minutes. i'm still concerned about scoring in the 4th quarter. sure, the idea is we get to the playoffs and then rose can help with that, but that's a lot of pressure to put on him. it'd be nice to see a bull (deng specifically) step up and put the team on their back to close out a game.

bulls are coming together well though. i know they're boring to watch and bulls fans have given up posting here since rose went down, but i like the way we're looking now. there's still a lot of room for improvement and many questions to be answered. come playoffs we'll see where we stand.

  

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31. "The best part is he doesn't take criticism to heart & works."
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He'll learn because he is coachable.

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32. "seems like he's got little-brother-syndrome"
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people can't help but compare him to jeff, who got much better over three seasons. cosby just needs to develop more confidence, which will come with playing time and to work on his game and bulk up over the offseason.

agendas aside, kid's got talent, he'll be good.

  

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double post

  

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33. "Teague looking like Rose's backup for the next three seasons"
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This is a significant positive to take from this year. GarPax drafts well late first round.

Next step is for Jimmy Buckets to show Thib's that Deng doesn't need to be on the floor for 40 minutes. He needs to be more aggresive on offense. And then managemant and/or Thibs needs to find a way to not play Noah all game. Jo is going to be useless by the time Rose gets back. Can't be playing a guy that thrives on energy 40 minutes every night.

  

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35. "This."
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>Next step is for Jimmy Buckets to show Thib's that Deng
>doesn't need to be on the floor for 40 minutes.

I think he's proven it. Especially defensively.

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34. "Great game Teague killed it "
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Bulls have missed having a gutter- lockdown point guard with speed, Kirk is just too vanilla

  

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36. "Other than Benedict The Moor, who wants Rose back THIS season?"
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I'm just curious where people stand.

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37. "i've never understood the logic behind giving up on this season"
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and frankly i wish bulls fans were more optimistic and didn't view this season as the "year of grief". it's not just on this board either, most bulls fans seem to accept that we stand no chance this season, i guess i'm one of the few that disagree.

you never know what's going to happen in the playoffs. key players can get injured, lucky baskets can be made, and upsets can be pulled off. we have one of the best coached teams and best defenses in the league. let's say rose comes back in march and he's playing at 80% of how we remember him by april. no team in the east looks that dominant, and i'm convinced we can have a competitive series against any team. so what's the sense in not bringing rose back and putting our best team on the floor for the 2013 playoffs?

i understand that we're all scared of a reinjury, but once he's ready he needs to be able to put trust in himself and play. we saw how fearlessly adrian peterson returned to the playing field. he was ready to go. drose seems like the guy who could easily get in his head and doubt himself, and i think it'd be better for him to play and get used to being on the court with the bulls again.

the bulls are going to make the playoffs. instead of making him sit out and watch, when he could play and help us win a championship (longshot, but still a shot), let's put him out there and see what he can do with this team. if we lose we'll at least know our weaknesses and try to correct them over the offseason.

  

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38. "*raises hand*"
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I think we might as well see where we are at
It's no cant miss in the draft worth tanking for

Just let rose get back in action so hopefully by playoff time
He can be close to 100%

Some more moves DEFINATELY need to be made

  

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39. "here"
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this idea of tanking never made an ounce of sense to me, not with Thibs and players like Lu and Jo. I feel we're going to be a 4th seed (or so) regardless, so yes, I hope he comes back in time to prepare for the playoffs and we'll see if we can make some noise. Don't think we have a shot at a title, but another, this time more competitive eastern conference final is definitely possible.

  

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40. "ONLY if we maintain a top 4 seed"
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People don't realize, this team will NOT get better.

We have a GREAT coach and a lot of good guys who buy in defensively. That means we are ALWAYS gonna be in games for the most part.

I thought there was no way we were winning the Central but Danny Granger's knee and Brandon Jennings inability to ball out for an entire season have us right there.

So how do we improve if we keep winning while D-Rose is out, Jerry stays cheap, and we don't have any concrete trade chips that help us while not hurting us?

Tanking was the solution: Cheap young talent (JR's happy), a sidekick to rose (bulls fans happy) and 4 yrs to watch it work (rookie deal).

Now what? Booz is amnistied? Taj is not playing up to his contract but even then, we'd be treading water salary wise (Deng, Rose, Taj, Noah tie up most of the cap for the next few yrs).

Our ceiling is ECF (I think at full strength, NY and Mia are better than us) and if we did by chance make the finals, OKC prolly is better than us now and we'd have a hard time beating SA, the Clippers, Memphis and MAYBE the lakers once they get to full strength.

If the FO showed more a plan to build around Rose (we have decent pieces in place but we need some youth/depth and a secondary star) I'd feel better about him coming back this yr.

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42. "but we were never going to tank"
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that never was an option for anybody involved, whether it's the front office, Thibs or Jo & Lu. So, as fans, we better enjoy the ride.

  

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48. "JR gutted the bench in ORDER to tank"
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He knew thibs was gonna make it work but our biggest advantage against teams the past 2 yrs has been our bench...so he gutted it and openly started talking about not playing Rose until it was the right time.

Code word: Tank

Worse bench - Rose for full season = top 13 draft pick (aka, Scottie and/or Horace).

And he gets to keep payroll under control to fund the sox mis-management.

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49. "RE: JR gutted the bench in ORDER to tank"
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>He knew thibs was gonna make it work but our biggest
>advantage against teams the past 2 yrs has been our bench...so
>he gutted it and openly started talking about not playing Rose
>until it was the right time.
>
>Code word: Tank
>
>Worse bench - Rose for full season = top 13 draft pick (aka,
>Scottie and/or Horace).
>
>And he gets to keep payroll under control to fund the sox
>mis-management.
>
>Don't be naive.


Yep...Very true...

JR didn't count on the Central Div. being so bad...

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50. "nah, code word: cheap"
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if jerry reinsdorf gutted the bench because he wanted the team to tank they'd be tanking. there would be phantom injuries and more of a lack of effort. instead you see thibs bringing together a team that had the best record in the league last year, mostly without drose, and still keeping them in the playoff race.

most of our bench players from last season signed bigger contracts with other teams.

the most ridiculous part of this whole tanking strategy is that this draft class is so weak. no way we get a top 5 pick, and that young guy to run with drose and be the second star on our franchise is simply not in this draft class.

the bulls were one of the top teams in the NBA these past two years. last year they had the best record without rose. you really think that reinsdorf decided to blow it up and rebuild through the draft? you think that he expected a team this good is going to tank? no way. the bulls already have a lot of big contracts on the books and we simply couldn't afford to keep the bench together.

the strategy is to have the best team on the court by february, see what rose can do when he gets back, see what the team can do in the playoffs, and then go from there.

  

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51. "RE: nah, code word: cheap"
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>if jerry reinsdorf gutted the bench because he wanted the
>team to tank they'd be tanking.

Not true...At all...Not when other teams that were expected to be shitting on the Bulls are not as good as advertised dude to their own injuries and issues...

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52. "CORRECTED: nah, code word: cheap &amp; greedy"
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>if jerry reinsdorf gutted the bench because he wanted the
>team to tank they'd be tanking. there would be phantom
>injuries and more of a lack of effort. instead you see thibs
>bringing together a team that had the best record in the
>league last year, mostly without drose, and still keeping them
>in the playoff race.

He didn't want us to be AWEFUL...just not good enough to make the playoffs. He still wants asses in the seats and Thibs would guarantee that. I think he'd be happy with 30 wins (mostly at home) and 52 hard fought losses. Crowds would still come to the games but we'd land in the mid lottery given the West teams usually have better records than the east teams. That's a top 7-8 pick.

>most of our bench players from last season signed bigger
>contracts with other teams.

Not true. The only guys who got bigger contracts were Omer and Lucas. And we didn't need Lucas as much (we coulda got nate to replace him). Brewer, CJ and Korver all the same (korver) or smaller deals (the other two).

>the most ridiculous part of this whole tanking strategy is
>that this draft class is so weak. no way we get a top 5 pick,
>and that young guy to run with drose and be the second star on
>our franchise is simply not in this draft class.

Way to pull out your crystal ball and predict the future 100% accurately. You know they said the 2011 class was weak after Kyrie and 7 of the top 13 are starting now. 4 of them score in double figures. Would it be nice to have a Klay Thompson at our SG right now?

>the bulls were one of the top teams in the NBA these past two
>years. last year they had the best record without rose. you
>really think that reinsdorf decided to blow it up and rebuild
>through the draft? you think that he expected a team this good
>is going to tank? no way. the bulls already have a lot of big
>contracts on the books and we simply couldn't afford to keep
>the bench together.

Uh, actually Rose played 39 of the 66 games and they had a better record with him than without. No I actually think Reinsdorf decided to blow up the bench in hopes of getting cheap talent to build around his cash cow. Same thing we did to get Derrick (tanked season, 9th or 10th worst record...#1 pick) and we don't even need to be THAT lucky again. Just need a good compliment to Derrick (preferrably at the SG spot).

And the only guy who the bulls couldn't afford to keep was Omer:

CJ+Brewer+Lucas+Korver last yr = 3.4 + 4.7 + 900k + 5 (14 mil total)

CJ+Brewer+Lucas+Korver this yr = 1 + 1 + 1.5 + 5 (8.5 mil total)

Bench he bought:
Belinelli+Nate+Kirk+Nazr = 2 + 1.1 + 4 + 1.3 (7.4 mil total)

Sooooo he blew up the bench to save 1 mil? Nobody was gonna pay them guys like JR was so he coulda said "look, we are strapped for cash, here's what we can offer" and gave all 3 about 2.8 mil. Korver might have been the only casualty but he may have stayed to compete for a title.

>the strategy is to have the best team on the court by
>february, see what rose can do when he gets back, see what the
>team can do in the playoffs, and then go from there.

Thats not a damn strategy. That's a 'wait and see' mode. A strategy is what OKC did with Harden and their FA's. A strategy is what the Clippers did to get CP3 and all the pieces they put around him and Blake. A strategy is what the Knicks did by getting Tyson and Kidd and Felton.

A strategy would be to cut your losses this season, let the team tank but be competitive. Hold Rose for most of the season until they were really out of the picture (maybe let him play the last 15 games). Get a top 10 pick, Amnesty Boozer and try to carve out $ for an impact SG (Mayo) or find a way to trade Boozer and Taj for Al Jeff and Tyreke.

So you walk into next season with:
Rose (Hopefully back to normal)
Evans (Asked to assist in scoring and take over ballhandling on occasion, which is good for him to be a secondary)
Deng (Vet, D-Savvy, good shooter, smart, allstar)
Jefferson (solid low post threat, more size than Booz, a lil better defender, being a 2a would help him focus on boards and D but still get good shots)
Noah (energy guy, good passer, good defender, good rebounder, doesn't need a play run for him)

as your starters, your bench is ample (and maybe includes the top 10 pick if you can keep him out of deals), you're capped out and paying a decent tax bill but your team is a contendor for the next 4 yrs and Rose doesn't have to carry the team EVERY damn night.

We are the 3rd biggest market in the nation...it's about time JR spent like we are.

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53. "RE: CORRECTED: nah, code word: cheap &amp;amp;amp; greedy"
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Debate closed....^^^^^^

But I do have two questions....

Why would Sac Town take either Boozer or Taj when they got Big Cuz?

And is Al Jefferson a free agent next season?

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56. "Well a 3rd team might need to be involved but"
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If we got Toronto involved and made it a multi-team deal, who knows:

We get: Al Jeff & Tyreke
Utah gets: Bargnani(sp)
Sac gets: Calderon and our 2014 1st rd pick
Toronto gets: Taj (back up for their young bigs)and maybe Miroric (sp)

Utah would do it to clear room for Favors and Kantor not to mention they don't wanna have to pay Al Jeff (we could) abd they get a big that can shoot from distance to offset their low post young guys.

Sac would do it because they aren't sold on Tyreke and they need a consistent PG. They aren't sure they wanna resign Reke so getting a starting PG and a pick for him ain't a bad way to go. They might need the pot sweented just a smidge tho.

Toronto would do it to move both those guys, get good defender and if Miroric was involved it would entice them even more.

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55. "I don't see anyone worth tanking for in this draft yet..PEEP"
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Our best bet is to hit up free agency next year. No way based on how we
Been looking so far do we end up with a top 10 pick even without rose.

We got baby dirk possibly coming next season
And some really good players that will be FAs

That sac scenario has been thrown out many a times
And is never going to happen

What benefit could that possibly be for them?
They got cuz why would they trade their best guard away? Besides he will be a FA next yr

Look we got 4 players coming off the books next season (Nate,vlad,nas,and Marco)
I figure we keep Nate

I'm 60-40 on keeping Booz only cause he has been
Really solid for us esp this season

His contract is crazy tho Daymn 15 m'z shit
We can get a lot of damn help but like I said
If we do its gonna be based on total buisness
He has been official this year production wise

Now we owe taj 7.5 next year ...FUCK DAT
Thats who needs to get traded

If we can lose his tract with the 4.5 from the expiring
We would be at 12 mill

Not to mention we got a team option on rip
That's another 5 putting us possibly at 17 mill under

Me thinks we can get some help with that
And still keep the core of Booz, Jo, Rose, Deng
With Jim, Nate, and Kirk on the bench

If we really wanna get free ,Kirk would be an expiring next year
Package him and taj

Lose Kirk and now we're around 20 mill to get pieces with

Next year here are some notable upcoming free agents I think can def help us

Monte
Reke
B Jennings
Mayo
Foye
Reddick
Cj miles
Corey brewer
Ronnie brewer(bring him back)

Bigs/bammas:

Blachte
Charlie v (off the bench)
Ivan Johnson
Al Jeff

I'm not saying its a perfect situation
But if we want to we can be in a position to secure
Some pieces

(I wasn't sure what baby dirk's tract was)











  

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54. "it gets too wordy for me below (ie tldr)"
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but about this gutting the bench thing...

of course, the complete re-haul caused a slow start (which is why it was so ridiculous of Bucher to put the blame on Thibodeau), but the truth is, we didn't lose that much in quality. The only significant loss is Asik, but otherwise Belli looks like a significant upgrade over Korver, Nate kills JLIII, captain and CJ is a wash, and Jimmy B is almost at Brewer levels already.

so let's not overstate it.

we'll be in contention for 4th seed without Derrick, and we'll be right back where we were when he comes back (with maybe more of a contribution from Rip). No reason to be mad about any of this, we'll see what Garpax can pull next summer

  

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47. "RE: ONLY if we maintain a top 4 seed"
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Listen to this man ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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46. "RE: Other than Benedict The Moor, who wants Rose back THIS season?"
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>I'm just curious where people stand.


I don't want him back...at all...

No sense bringing Rose back just to get knocked out of the 1st round...

Gotta be safe with the kid...

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41. "I look at it from a confidence standpoint"
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He needs game action to become confident with that knee.

When his knee his healed and he gets medical clearence from the doctors he should play. Nothing is gained by sitting out and time is waisted. When the knee is healed it's healed.

He loses three months of game action/playing himself back into D Rose that he'll have to work thru next year. He should work off the rust this year.

  

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43. "Thibs opposition to playing Jimmy Buckets extended minutes "
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is an issue cuz Deng needs a break.

Like, Jimmy don't fuck up. Give him extended run and the green light to shoot the ball. Maybe even call a play or two for dude. He's earned it.


  

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44. "Taj....um, can i get some fucking vitriol around please? he sorry as fuc..."
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45. "RE: The Year of Grief. The 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Season Post"
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seeing kirk hinrich in a Bulls uniform causes me to dry heave noxious vapor from the depths of my solar plexus

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57. "thibodeau might be the best coach in the league."
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no rose.

an all new bench that took a while to coalesce.

the ever present specter of the simp-ass contingent of "tank the season" doubters amongst fans and media constantly looming overhead.

and he's still got his team right in the mix. only 2 teams in the east w fewer losses.

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good job Tommy!!!

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58. "Bulls play playoff style defense every game."
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How he keeps these guys motivated on the defensive end is what makes him an elite coach. Even when we're down guys (Rose, Deng against Memphis) we're competing. I still have an issue with the minutes he's putting on Deng and Noah but on the flip side, we're 1 game from the 3rd seed.

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59. "RE: thibodeau might be the best coach in the league."
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There's no "might be" to it...He's the best coach out there today...

The Bulls r winning and staying in games using scotch tape and defense...

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60. "lol @ that jab at that "tank the season" stance."
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I didn't want to tank because thibs couldn't coach us to respectability. I figured he would coach his ass off.

I wanted a tank because JR is cheap and he gutted the bench that helped us to the best record 2 yrs running. On top of that, I'm not sure if we have enough offensive talent to compete with the OKC's, Clippers, Miami's, NY's of the league. And these young teams are just gonna get better and better so we need someone to build a career with Derrick for 4-5 seasons. Booz is older, Deng is getting up there.

And given our Cap Sitch...FA's won't help. I don't have confidence in the front office to make the right trades either.

OKC lost Harden, didn't lose a beat and gained PJIII and Jeremy Lamb in the process. When/if they develop, that team will be damn near unbeatable in 2 seasons. We need THAT type of management.

But to your original point...Thibs is definitely one of the best if not THE best coach in the league. And he'll keep us just competitive enough to keep JR happy so he can continue to milk the Bulls for profits and not really give shit about winning titles.

When Donald Sterling is out-perforing/spending your owner, a fan has to be concerned.

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62. "the "tank the season" thing was always silly as fuck tho."
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it was ALWAYS a terrible idea. it NEVER made a lick of sense.

look, i understand that a lot of bulls fans don't realize this, but the team has several good players other than derrick rose.

yeah i know... shocker

they led the league in victories each of the last 2 seasons and they've consistently proven that they can win games without him. i was lmao in the preseason when ppl were picking this team to finish 8th or miss the postseason altogether. i was telling folx the whole time that they'd compete for the div title... AGAIN, and they'd host a 1st rd series... AGAIN, and that they'd be a top 4 team several games over .500 when rose got back

the bulls are a very good team. in order for them to be a lottery team they'd have literally had to trade their best THREE or FOUR players and receive ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return. why on earth would anyone do that, on the off chance of possibly maybe earning a small possibility of drafting ONE good player, who'll take 3 or 4 yrs to develop?

Lulz. shit makes zero sense. it was never a realistic option in any way. the only ppl suggesting it were the ones who think rose is the only player on the team who's worth a shit and that they'd completely fall apart without him.

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64. "RE: the &amp;amp;amp;quot;tank the season&amp;amp;amp;quot; thing was al..."
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>it was ALWAYS a terrible idea. it NEVER made a lick of
>sense.
>
>look, i understand that a lot of bulls fans don't realize
>this, but the team has several good players other than derrick
>rose.
>
>yeah i know... shocker

We've always had pretty good players besides Rose...

I don't think Bulls fans are clueless when it comes to this...The issue has always been can those other "good" players get their own shot when it really matters...


>
>they led the league in victories each of the last 2 seasons
>and they've consistently proven that they can win games
>without him. i was lmao in the preseason when ppl were picking
>this team to finish 8th or miss the postseason altogether. i
>was telling folx the whole time that they'd compete for the
>div title... AGAIN, and they'd host a 1st rd series... AGAIN,
>and that they'd be a top 4 team several games over .500 when
>rose got back

The issue has always been in big games it becomes Rose or bust...Whether that's Thibs riding Rose too hard or the Bulls being cheap...

U throw up all these stats...But what it comes down to is the Bulls have issues with the 2 star teams...They have trouble with teams that can create off the dribble beyond one player...




>the bulls are a very good team. in order for them to be a
>lottery team they'd have literally had to trade their best
>THREE or FOUR players and receive ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in
>return. why on earth would anyone do that, on the off chance
>of possibly maybe earning a small possibility of drafting ONE
>good player, who'll take 3 or 4 yrs to develop?

The Bulls are indeed a good team...But Bulls fans no longer care about that...As you know (being a Bulls fan) we just want a ring...

Beyond a draft, the Bulls cannot even make a run after a secondary ball handler/scorer...Can you imagine Mayo on this Bulls team? I could...But our team is too damn cheap to make such moves...


>Lulz. shit makes zero sense. it was never a realistic option
>in any way. the only ppl suggesting it were the ones who think
>rose is the only player on the team who's worth a shit and
>that they'd completely fall apart without him.


U getting wrapped up in the whole tanking thing thinking that some fans just want draft picks...Maybe some fans don't want Rose to come back too soon...Maybe we want to get something out of it during his absence...

Bottom line...I've heard this song before....

We make it to the playoffs off of GREAT coaching by Thibs...Only to lose to a team with dynamic play makers (plural) in the playoffs...

Sometimes people get sick of hearing the same ol' song...

I'm going to cheer on my Bulls no matter what...That's easy for me to do...I was doing so when Dave Corzine was the star of the team back in the days...lol...

They are playing with HEART this season...But heart will not be enough when we have to rely on Rose to be our chief playmaker and scorer in the 'Offs when we r going against Indy or Miami...



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66. "sorry dogg..."
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any "finding a second scorer" solution that involves UNDERPERFORMING AND INTENTIONALLY LOSING GAMES is not one that i can clap to, and a debate on the merits of tanking isn't one that i have any interest in participating in.

the suggestion of tanking an entire season as a viable strategy for team building is a product of a loser mentality, it's a slap in the face to PAYING CUSTOMERS, and i don't advocate it in any situation for any reason.

k?

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67. "RE: sorry dogg..."
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>any "finding a second scorer" solution that involves
>UNDERPERFORMING AND INTENTIONALLY LOSING GAMES is not one that
>i can clap to, and a debate on the merits of tanking isn't one
>that i have any interest in participating in.
>
>the suggestion of tanking an entire season as a viable
>strategy for team building is a product of a loser mentality,
>it's a slap in the face to PAYING CUSTOMERS, and i don't
>advocate it in any situation for any reason.
>
>k?

U can tank without tanking though...My biggest fear is the Bulls success this year being fool's gold to fans like yourself...

In the long run, it won't help the Bulls...You looking at this season...I'm looking at 2 to 5 years from now...

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65. "RE: the &quot;tank the season&quot; thing was always silly as fuck tho."
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>it was ALWAYS a terrible idea. it NEVER made a lick of
>sense.

It made tons of sense considering them gutting the most productive bench (defensively and offensively) in the league. NOBODY knew Booz would have a damn career resurgency on offense this yr. If he hammed it up, below his capabilities like he did the last 2 yrs (not saying he sucked but the way he's playing now, is what I expected on day one) then this teams record is prolly reversed...in essence, putting us outside the playoff picture in the east.

>look, i understand that a lot of bulls fans don't realize
>this, but the team has several good players other than derrick
>rose.
>
>yeah i know... shocker

lol I never said we didn't but what happens next season? Can Booz be this dude until his contract ends when he'll be pushing mid 30's? I mean what you want this team to do for the next 2 seasons Dula?

>they led the league in victories each of the last 2 seasons
>and they've consistently proven that they can win games
>without him. i was lmao in the preseason when ppl were picking
>this team to finish 8th or miss the postseason altogether. i
>was telling folx the whole time that they'd compete for the
>div title... AGAIN, and they'd host a 1st rd series... AGAIN,
>and that they'd be a top 4 team several games over .500 when
>rose got back

Ok...keen peepers. Now do you think all that^^^leads to us in the ECF beating Miami or the Finals beating any of the Wests' top 2-3 teams? This year or next?

>the bulls are a very good team. in order for them to be a
>lottery team they'd have literally had to trade their best
>THREE or FOUR players and receive ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in
>return. why on earth would anyone do that, on the off chance
>of possibly maybe earning a small possibility of drafting ONE
>good player, who'll take 3 or 4 yrs to develop?
>
>Lulz. shit makes zero sense.

I never said trade anyone unless it put us in title contention. Us going 35-47 and missing the playoffs in THIS yr's draft would have given us a shot at a decent 'sidekick' type player. No trades, no FA signings that we cant afford. Young talent to grow with Derrick after Deng slows down and Booz isn't putting up 19 a game anymore.

Derrick is what? 24? Turns 25 this year...we prolly got 5-6 GOOD PRIME seasons left with homie. I'm worried what the team will look like when he's 26-28 and I have no faith in JR to do the right thing.

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68. "you're still missing the point."
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EVEN WITHOUT ROSE, FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, THE BULLS WOULD STILL BE A PLAYOFF TEAM.

in order to even finish in the low end of the lottery (which is apparently chock full of "difference makers" lol) they'd have had to either intentionally lose winnable games, or jettison guys like deng and noah in exchange for flotsam.

so let's be clear : which of these two alternatives are you suggesting the team should have pursued? what would've been the exact mechanics of the "tank" that would've transformed the current squad into a 35 win lottery team?

please be specific.

lol you guys just underestimated how good the team would be. that's all this tank shit is about. that's the only possible way it could've ever made any sense in your minds. i mean, if the team is just struggling for an 8 seed anyway, why not strategically "rest" a guy here and there? that was the plan right?

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69. "RE: you're still missing the point."
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>EVEN WITHOUT ROSE, FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, THE BULLS WOULD
>STILL BE A PLAYOFF TEAM.


At this point, Bulls fans want more than just a playoff team....

I will be along for the ride as always and cheer my squad on...But I'm not going to let Coach Thib's brilliance and Boozer's surprising play and the GREAT heart my team has been showing give our owner's otherworldly, epic cheapness a pass...

You can fall for the okey doke if you want...

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72. "RE: you're still missing the point."
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>EVEN WITHOUT ROSE, FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, THE BULLS WOULD
>STILL BE A PLAYOFF TEAM.

This team is 11-11 at home Dula...c'mon! lol You happened to be right about things but that was just blind faith cuz given the circumstances it was a 50/50 shot that they wouldnt get 40 wins.

>in order to even finish in the low end of the lottery (which
>is apparently chock full of "difference makers" lol) they'd
>have had to either intentionally lose winnable games, or
>jettison guys like deng and noah in exchange for flotsam.

Tanking (in my preference) was to compete keep games close, lose most of them due to a lack of firepower. 30-35 wins. Top 11 pick.

>so let's be clear : which of these two alternatives are you
>suggesting the team should have pursued? what would've been
>the exact mechanics of the "tank" that would've transformed
>the current squad into a 35 win lottery team?
>
>please be specific.
>
>lol you guys just underestimated how good the team would be.
>that's all this tank shit is about. that's the only possible
>way it could've ever made any sense in your minds. i mean, if
>the team is just struggling for an 8 seed anyway, why not
>strategically "rest" a guy here and there? that was the plan
>right?

Well this is what I saw:
1) Bench being much worse offensively and defensively;Kirk, Nazr, Bellineli and Nate arent known for D and to me are much less capable defenders than CJ, Brewer, Omer and Korver. And the latter 4 are a better offensive core too.
2) More slippage from Booz as he aged. I figured he'd continue to trend downward.
3) Deng and Noah having to log excessive minutes due to a weaker bench.
4) Given #3 one or both of them sitting for multiple game stretches with injuries (see Deng busting his ass 41 min a night and has some hammy issues now).

^^^That all said to me, we'd be roughly 19-30 or so by the time Derrick came back and even then they might hold him out an extra 5-10 games if we were too far back of that 8th seed and late season resting of dinged up players (Deng/Booz/Noah).

Did I see the new bench being decently productive? No
Did I see Booz having his best season as a Bull in yr 3 being 31? No
Did I see Jimmy Butler developing as much as he has? No (tho I was hoping for it)
And we've been healthy pretty much all season (Rip missed a stretch and Deng just got hurt).

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73. "RE: you're still missing the point."
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>Did I see the new bench being decently productive? No
>Did I see Booz having his best season as a Bull in yr 3 being
>31? No
>Did I see Jimmy Butler developing as much as he has? No (tho I
>was hoping for it)
>And we've been healthy pretty much all season (Rip missed a
>stretch and Deng just got hurt).



This is all that needs to be said^^^^^^^ (and the fact that this team plays with heart...I knew it was a big heart...But not this fucking mammoth...)

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61. "RE: thibodeau might be the best coach in the league."
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>no rose.
>
>an all new bench that took a while to coalesce.
>
>the ever present specter of the simp-ass contingent of "tank
>the season" doubters amongst fans and media constantly looming
>overhead.


Simp huh?

I don't think anyone was saying to tank it because they didn't have belief in Coach Thibs...

That dude makes miracles...

I think it was more about the frustration of the Bulls organization's frugal nature as a franchise and the fact that many fans don't want to see Rose back this season if they are not going to win it all.....

But let's cut to the chase...Bulls fans want a trophy...That's all to it...

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63. "Defensively, no doubt. Overall, he trails only Popp imo"
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Love em both

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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70. "His offensive coaching game is underrated."
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This team shares the ball and executes very well.

Thibs' system is 100x better than whatever Skiles and Vinny were preaching. The players have a lot to do with it, but they still have to buy in and execute (see: the Lakers).


  

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71. "RE: His offensive coaching game is underrated."
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^^^^^^

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74. "Jimmy...."
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Man...that kid played hella D on Kobe...And Kirk was killing it...

Good game...and the usual heart...

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75. "teammates calling him '"kobe stopper" post game"
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u mad kobe?

http://tinyurl.com/aboykuj

  

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76. "Buckets, Jimmy"
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he can possibly start next to Rose next year.

i called this shit. his game keeps evolving.

he good.

  

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77. "Just How Good Are the Chicago Bulls?"
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/48286/just-how-good-are-the-chicago-bulls

NBA
Just How Good Are the Chicago Bulls?
By Robert Mays on January 22, 2013 10:30 AM ET

Jimmy Butler had plenty of good stretches last night in the Bulls' 95-83 win over the Lakers, but the best came with about nine minutes left in the fourth quarter. After stealing an errant Antawn Jamison pass and throwing it down on the other end, Butler, as he seemed to be all game, was draped over Kobe Bryant outside the 3-point line. The shot clock was ticking down, and as it hit :01, Bryant flung the ball toward the rim, but hit nothing. The horn sounded, and the ball was back to the Bulls.

Bryant finished the game 7-of-22 from the field, and everyone from Steve Kerr to the rest of the Bulls locker room (https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/293588896317599744) had the same theory why. Kobe’s 42 minutes were topped only by Butler’s 43, and for the second straight game, Butler showed he had no trouble playing the part of Luol Deng, who’s joined Derrick Rose on the list of injured Bulls.

This year was supposed to be a lost one for Chicago. With Rose’s torn ACL keeping him out until at least the All-Star break, a team ravaged in the offseason by financial constraints seemed more destined for the lottery than the conference finals. But with last night’s win, the Bulls are now 24-16, good for fifth in the East and just a game and a half back of the Knicks for the no. 2 seed. With Rose’s return no more than a few weeks away, the question has shifted from how the Bulls will tread water without him to just how good they can be with him.

Much of the argument for why Chicago could stay afloat without Rose centered on the Bulls’ record without their star last season. A handful of injuries limited Rose to just 39 games, but the Bulls still managed a 50-16 finish, good for the top seed in the East. That theory would be relevant if the rest of the roster had remained mostly intact, but that was far from the case. Chicago lost the majority of its second unit, a group that, as a whole, played more than 50 percent of the minutes given to the Bulls’ starting five. At 79 points allowed per 100 possessions (http://www.82games.com/1112/1112CHI2.HTM), it also happened to be the best defensive unit in basketball.

When Omer Asik left for Houston (and less so, when Ronnie Brewer did not re-sign), the Bulls were forced to face life not only without their best player but also without their primary advantage. The luxury of subbing in five-man rotations (technically four; Luol Deng was the fifth man on the bench unit) was gone, and it was on Tom Thibodeau and the players left to figure out how to pick up that slack. The Bulls are no longer the league’s best defensive team, but they do still rank in the top five (in points allowed per 100 possessions (http://www.hoopdata.com/teamdefstats.aspx?yr=2013&type=pg)), and they’ve been able to maintain that effectiveness for a couple of reasons.

One is the improved play of Joakim Noah, who deserves to be an All-Star. Noah’s obvious contributions in Rose’s absence have come at the offensive end. With the Bulls’ primary ball handler out, Noah has taken on a bigger role in creating offense for his teammates. His usage rate is a career high 17.5, and with it, his assist rate has climbed to 17.3, a ridiculous figure that just about doubles the average center. Playing further from the basket has caused a dip in both Noah’s rebounding numbers and his efficiency as a scorer, but with the number of easy baskets he’s getting his teammates, the Bulls will gladly take it.

The more important improvement, though, has been at the defensive end of the floor. Asik’s departure has meant both increased minutes (from 30.4 to 38.2) and an increased responsibility, and Noah has responded with the best defensive season of his career. Even when paired with defensive stalwart Taj Gibson, Noah has been the anchor of the Bulls' defense in a way he’s never been before, and it’s a big part of what’s carried Chicago.

Another difference with these Bulls, as much of the basketball-watching public saw last night, is the emergence of Jimmy Butler. Butler played just 8.5 minutes per game last season, and this year, that number has jumped by more than 10. His performance in Deng’s absence has been impressive (14 points and 45.5 minutes per game), but it’s actually slightly misleading. When Rose returns, one of the ways the Bulls can get even better is with more Butler, but that increase should probably come with Deng on the floor.

Chicago’s best five-man lineup this season has been the one consisting of Kirk Hinrich, Butler, Deng, Gibson, and Noah. Much like the success of last year’s second unit, this group has been driven by its defense. In just under 48 minutes this year, the group has tallied a +/- of 25 and a defensive rating of 78. By using Butler at the 2, the Bulls have their two best wing defenders and two best interior defenders in the same lineup, and the result is a nightmare for anyone interested in scoring.

There are two main arguments against seeing more of the Butler-Deng pairing going forward. The first is that because Butler is Deng’s primary substitute, more Butler means even less time on the bench for Deng. Considering he’s already averaging about 107 minutes per game (technically, 39.8, but you get it), this isn’t really an option. The solution is probably for Butler’s minutes to come at the expense of Marco Belinelli. The sixth-year shooting guard is averaging 25 per compared to Butler’s 18, and by simply cutting into those minutes rather than increasing his time at the 3, Deng’s workload would stay the same.

The other argument actually deals with Belinelli. Chicago’s biggest issue in the past two seasons has been secondary scoring, and chipping away at Belinelli’s minutes means surrounding Rose with next to no shooting. The solution here might be that instead of a simple Butler-Belinelli swap, Rip Hamilton’s minutes decrease, as well. How these minutes should break down becomes complicated, but the point here is not — more Jimmy, and more Jimmy alongside Deng.

There are new reasons the Bulls have been able to sustain success with Rose, but there are plenty of old ones, as well. Gibson has been the type of defensive force that earned him his new four-year, $38 million contract. Carlos Boozer has picked up some of the scoring slack, especially as of late. Nate Robinson has provided the type of instant offense that John Lucas was good for a year ago. And Thibodeau has shown once again that he’s one of the best coaches in basketball.

It’s been the differences in this team, though, that have allowed it to hang on as it waits for Rose’s return. When he does return, it’s hard to say just how smooth it will be. There’s likely to be an adjustment period that includes a few bumps, but what’s clear is that what’s around him is better than anyone could've thought heading into the season. It might not be this year, but with Noah’s improvement and Butler’s emergence, the Bulls’ return to contention may not be too far away.

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78. "Loving the Butler-Deng pairing idea."
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That combo would annoy any team in the league, including Miami.

And I would like to see Buckets experiemnt at the two for short stretches. He has the potential to start there next year if he continues to improve his shot.

>Another difference with these Bulls, as much of the
>basketball-watching public saw last night, is the emergence of
>Jimmy Butler. Butler played just 8.5 minutes per game last
>season, and this year, that number has jumped by more than 10.
>His performance in Deng’s absence has been impressive (14
>points and 45.5 minutes per game), but it’s actually slightly
>misleading. When Rose returns, one of the ways the Bulls can
>get even better is with more Butler, but that increase should
>probably come with Deng on the floor.
of the best coaches in basketball.

  

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80. "this :"
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>And I would like to see Buckets experiemnt at the two for
>short stretches. He has the potential to start there next year
>if he continues to improve his shot.

ppl like zach lowe and steve kerr have pointed to Jimmy's ft% as a good indicator that his jump shot will eventually come around. not sure he'll be able to extend it to 3pt range, but i'd bet on his developing a solid mid range game over the next yr or

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79. "Butler been out here looking like the grand prize winner"
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Boozer been balling
#2 is a possibility

  

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81. "Jimmy's improvement will be huge"
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If he develops even more I'll be giddy about the fact that we'll improve from inside.

The funny thing about this article is that it points out everything I was saying to you up top about why I thought we'd tank/miss the 'offs.

And co-signs some of the reasons I stated as to why we didn't (which weren't really expected).

In any event, I'm happy as hell we are doing well and I'm eagerly awaiting Deng and Rose to get healthy.



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82. "this guy didn't even mention Booz stepping up"
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83. "yeah i noticed that "
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85. "wat"
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There are new reasons the Bulls have been able to sustain success without Rose, but there are plenty of old ones, as well. Gibson has been the type of defensive force that earned him his new four-year, $38 million contract. Carlos Boozer has picked up some of the scoring slack, especially as of late. Nate Robinson has provided the type of instant offense that John Lucas was good for a year ago. And Thibodeau has shown once again that he’s one of the best coaches in basketball.

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88. "thats a gloss over dog Boozer been one of the best 2 players"
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all season

  

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84. "RE: Just How Good Are the Chicago Bulls?"
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jimmy just needs to develop more confidence and continue working on his j. if he can get to the point of putting up 15ppg, watch out.

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86. "prolly the best game they've played this season."
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http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278356

contributions from all over the roster. 47 pts and 8 3ptrs from the point guards. double doubles from all three frontcourt starters. outrebounded the 4th best rebounding team by 20. made a very good offensive team (coming off b2b wins vs OKC and LAC) look completely ordinary. and all without their 2 best players.

this team good, y'all.

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87. "I'm gonna need for RIP to be moved ASAP"
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and another thing, wtf is to come of nate when rose gets back? It's almost a guarantee that Kirk gets 80/90% of the backup PG minutes, and Jimmy will be getting most of the SG minutes. Kirk is basically ass-juice on offense compared to Nate, yet I just don't see how he gets any PT.

Oh yeah, Jimmy is the real deal. His J already looks like it's improving. Don't let this nigga EVER get a 3pt shot because a Rose/Jimmy/Deng/Taj/Noah lineup is easily the best offensive/defensive lineup in the league by a wide margin.

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91. "i think a Nate/Rose backcourt will come into play eventually"
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i.e. in the playoffs when we're struggling to score (it'll happen). that combination is too potent off the dribble to not utilize during scoring droughts.

>
>Oh yeah, Jimmy is the real deal. His J already looks like it's
>improving. Don't let this nigga EVER get a 3pt shot because a
>Rose/Jimmy/Deng/Taj/Noah lineup is easily the best
>offensive/defensive lineup in the league by a wide margin.

yup.

  

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92. "Thibs is gonna use Kirk at the 2 and Jimmy at the 3:"
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Rose/Nate
Rip/Kirk
Deng/Jimmy
Booz/Taj
Noah/Nazr

The odd man out will be Belinelli. But I think he'll see spot duty based on team needs. If we need 3's and size, he might play a game more than Nate but most nights it'll be offense/off the dribble penetration so Nate will get the call.

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94. "RE: Thibs is gonna use Kirk at the 2 and Jimmy at the 3:"
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But Deng plays like 40mpg at the 3 and Jimmy's been getting most of his minutes @ 2 thus far. He's been closing games alongside Deng and i don't think that will change in the offs.

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99. "Belinelli is the 1st off the bench."
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While I don't know what Thibs is going to do w/ that backcourt, I don't see Belinelli's minutes diminishing that much.

Nate to me is the odd man out.

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102. "I like this lineup better."
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Rose/Hinrich/Robinson
Hamilton+/Belinelli/Hinrich
Deng/Butler
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Gibson/Mohammed

+ Hamilton is going to start until they trade him.
I'd rather see Marco get those minutes honestly.
And I don't like the idea of a Rose/Hinrich backcourt.

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98. "I disagree. "
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Kirk is basically ass-juice on offense compared to
>Nate, yet I just don't see how he gets any PT.

Hinrich runs the team much better. There's a big difference between when he's running the offense vs Nate. Nate is mad streaky, not as solid a defender and is turnover prone.

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101. "RE: I disagree. "
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yeah but we're not talking about significant minutes. kirk's a decent defender but i think he's slightly overrated in that department. and he brings absolutely NOTHING to the table on offense. at least nate is a threat to score and keeps the defense guessing. i'd much rather have nate and butler as spark plugs off the bench.

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89. "i think we can keep Booz and trade Taj next year.. (unless we make a big..."
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we owe taj 7.5 next year .
If we can lose his tract with the 4.5 from the expiring
We would be at 12 mill under

Not to mention we got a team option on rip
That's another 5 putting us possibly at 17 mill under

Me thinks we can get some help with that
And still keep the core of Booz, Jo, Rose, Deng
With Jim, Nate, and Kirk on the bench


notable FA's that can help us next season

Monte
Reke
B Jennings
Mayo
Foye
Reddick
Cj miles
Corey brewer
Ronnie brewer(bring him on back)

Bigs/bammas:

Blachte
Charlie v (off the bench)
Ivan Johnson
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90. "RE: i think we can keep Booz and trade Taj next year.. (unless we make a..."
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Trade taj?? Naw dogg, u got it backwards.

  

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93. "Wait...wha?"
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Ok, you gonna have to break down our cap Sitch for me to get this.

By my count:
Noah 11 mil or so
Deng 13 mil or so
Rose 17 mil or so
Booz 14 mil or so

That alone is 55 mil. I think the hard cap is like 65-70 mil and our reserves (nate, Taj, Kirk, teague) are gonna eat into that and not to mention we'd need to fill out the roster.

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95. "7.5 to taj + 5 to Rip next year (team option)"
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lose both of those
and possibly Kirk


will be close to 16 mill in 2013 if we wanted to keep booz

  

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96. "are you that hard pressed to keep boozer tho?"
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i mean, dude can't even close out games.

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97. "im 60-40 on keeping him but i know we are paying him a grip "
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it all depends on how far do you think we are from being a contender
i think with a healthy rose this team can go the finals

  

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100. "He's having a great season thus far."
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...but I'm not willing to bet on him repeating this.
Especially not over Taj, who is younger and cheaper.

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103. "Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???"
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Not a rumor, just a thought from Blog A Bull.
What kind of player could that pull in?

FULL BLOG POST: http://www.blogabull.com/2013/2/5/3954626/nba-trade-rumors-chicago-bulls-kevin-love

Jimmy Butler is something, that much is for sure. The shooting guard of the future? The heir to Luol Deng's small forward throne? All of that talk is premature after only 10 games of significant production, but his development also means something else in the most surface level sense: the Bulls have another valuable asset.

In fact, when you team Butler with Spanish wunderkind Nikola Mirotic, the Bobcats' draft pick acquired in the Tyrus Thomas trade and maybe even Taj Gibson, the Bulls would appear to have enough to work with should they to decide to try to trade for a superstar.

Conventional NBA wisdom says that if the right opportunity presents itself, the Bulls should jump at it. There are a few examples of NBA champions that boasted only one superstar-level player: the 2011 Mavericks immediately come to mind, and you can draw parallels to the Spurs half-dynasty if you're ready to compare Deng and Joakim Noah favorably to Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker. Those are largely viewed as exceptions to the rule, more than anything. The SuperTeam era very much remains in full effect, with franchises rushing to pair stars together for one obvious reason: when play slows down and benches tighten in the playoffs, it still usually comes down to how many stars you have.

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104. "RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???"
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That's a good haul and could net a pretty good player. But I'd fight to keep one of those assets.

If you could find a way to send just 3 for say an a Kevin Love, Al Jeff, Big Cuz then I say go for it.

I forgot about that Cha pick...what's the protection on it?

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108. "Found it:"
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2012 - Lotto protected
2013 - Top 12 protected
2014 - Top 10 protected
2015 - Top 8 protected
2016 - No protection

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we prolly wont get that pick until 2015/2016 but that's pretty good.

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105. "RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = ???"
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I would try to keep Butler....But other than that, I would pull the trigger for Love...

IF Butler gets thrown in that deal then you could actually trade Boozer (he's worth strong value now given that he is having a pretty damn good season) or amnesty him and use the saved money to get a perimeter player that can get his own shot to play alongside Rose and Deng (Maybe Jimmy can be that guy....If not he would make a GREAT sixth man...)

As is, I wouldn't be mad at all...

The real chatter though has the Bulls going for another BIG to help back Noah up and let Taj play his true position....Noah has been gimpy...And getting a guy like Timofey Mozgov would help immensely (as is, Noah is playing waaaaay too many minutes...)

At least for this season, the Bulls need to jump on a back-up big man for that center spot...

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106. "RE: Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + CHA Pick = "
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those 3 plus what you can get with that CHA pick is better than:


Cleveland, Charlotte, New Orleans, Orlando...

Cleveland would give anything for Butler and Gibson...we could get Varejao straight up for them two...

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109. "it would have to definately be for a clear superstar"
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107. "Grantland article on Jimmy Butler by Zach Lowe "
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In Praise of Jimmy Butler, the Bulls' Surprising Swiss Army Knife

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49857/in-praise-of-jimmy-butler-the-bulls-surprising-swiss-army-knife

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110. "Bulls discussing Boozer for Bargnani?"
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Per Mark Stein.

I can't imagine him playing much with Thibs. The rationale is that it saves money and improves the 3pt shooting.

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111. "FUCK NO"
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GarPaxDorf needs to come out and deny this shit immediately.

  

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112. "I have a hard time believing it"
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Seems like something the Raptors would leak to try to get some, any value for Bargnani. They can't even sweeten the pot because their one remaining chip, Terrence Ross, isn't really needed with Jimmy Butler playing so well. (And I doubt they include Jonas.)

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113. "ugh who's campaigning for this? belinelli? lol"
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get del negro back to coach then.



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114. "Yucko and fuck no."
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115. "I'll put it like this..."
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now that they have Gay, if they give us DeRozan with Bargnani I'd be down...


Toronto can run Fields Gay Ross switched between the 2 and 3 so they would be straight


We can groom Derozan who is cool with Rose and we still have an amnesty. Isn't Bargnani's contract expiring after next season also...

I wouldn't mind it too much considering we are a top 4 seed with Boozer and at worst a top 6 with Bargnani...


We free up money for this offseason to tweak plus we still have the foreginer and the Charlotte pick (so far) and Barg only has 2 seasons left on his contract so we still straight


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116. "that charlotte pick is top 15 protected so thats not happening "
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117. "disgusting "
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118. "Denver is just a tough place to play"
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I watched THIS game

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199602040DEN.html

During the 72-10 season. It was their 4th loss (in Feb hahahahaha) and we were getting MANHANDLED in the first half by at team below .500. It was 68-43 at halftime. Abdul-Rauf was giving Ron Harper (and pretty much the whole team) the BIDNESS. Deke was eating glass and blocking shots.

Was a complete nightmare. Then...MJ got pissed. Went off in the second half (mostly the 3rd qtr). Think he scored like 20 straight at one point and damn near brought us back but we fell just short.

Ever since this game, I just chalked it up as Den being one of the toughest places to play in the NBA (especially for us).

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119. "Nate got player of the week in the East last week"
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LeroyBumkin...still think Belinelli gonna get that tick over nate when Rose is back?

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121. "Rose/Robinson back court? Eh."
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I still don't know.

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120. "Man, Magic said it....Don't rush the kid back..."
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This has been a surprising Bulls season with a lot of new guys coming through...Nate was a good pick-up...Marco has been a gutsy dude...Noah has taken his game to another level and Boozer has shut A LOT of people up...And Jimmy Butler? That kid is gonna be alright...

But the question is, r we winning it all this year?

As Magic said last night, the Bulls r a good team...And Thibs is a monster coach...But I don't think its worth rushing Rose back...

I'm kind of nervous ya'll...If we are not beating Miami or Indy then there's no reason to rush the kid back...The future of this franchise is more important than a second round exit...

Just saying...

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122. "It's the same story as the preseason "we should tank" chatter"
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You've got to be able to place some faith in this team. Most people thought we were going to suck and it would make more sense to tank and focus on next year. Instead, our role players have stepped up, our young guys are developing, our bench has turned out to be pretty damn good (minus the 5 spot) and we have one of the best coaches in the league.

It's not out of the question for us to have a really strong post season.

-We need to clinch at least the 3rd playoff seed, hopefully 2nd.
-Derrick Rose needs to be able to come back and by playoff time at least make us a better team than we were in the regular season, hopefully return to being our go-to scorer.
-We need to be healthy going into the playoffs.

I agree that Rose shouldn't be rushed back, and based on our management and coaching I don't think that will be a problem. But when he's ready to go we're not getting anything out of keeping him out. A lot of the return will be mental and he needs to become comfortable going back on the court.

I didn't really like what the ESPN guys were saying about him last night. They said you can't compare him to Adrian Peterson cause they have different body types and then they compared him to Ricky Rubio? Cmon. Based on D-Rose's character, skillset, and work ethic I think he's going to come back and surprise a lot of people.

When he's ready, let's slowly bring him back into our playing rotation, monitor his minutes, and let him reestablish himself on the team. From there, let's go to the playoffs and see what we can do.

  

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123. "RE: It's the same story as the preseason &amp;amp;amp;quot;we should tan..."
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>You've got to be able to place some faith in this team. Most
>people thought we were going to suck and it would make more
>sense to tank and focus on next year. Instead, our role
>players have stepped up, our young guys are developing, our
>bench has turned out to be pretty damn good (minus the 5 spot)
>and we have one of the best coaches in the league.


But wasn't this ^^^^always the case? It was the case when Rose and Deng and Boozer were battling injuries, being in and out the lineup, the year the Bulls won a shit load of regular season games...The Bulls played well without their superstar...They played well without their best post player and their best defender and glue guy...Hell, at times they played well without Noah...And we got taken out in the first round...


>It's not out of the question for us to have a really strong
>post season.

To me, getting out of the first round would be a good post season considering...



>-We need to clinch at least the 3rd playoff seed, hopefully
>2nd.

I don't think that's going to happen...

>-Derrick Rose needs to be able to come back and by playoff
>time at least make us a better team than we were in the
>regular season, hopefully return to being our go-to scorer.
>-We need to be healthy going into the playoffs.

I would rather dude return next season...


>I agree that Rose shouldn't be rushed back, and based on our
>management and coaching I don't think that will be a problem.
>But when he's ready to go we're not getting anything out of
>keeping him out. A lot of the return will be mental and he
>needs to become comfortable going back on the court.

>I didn't really like what the ESPN guys were saying about him
>last night. They said you can't compare him to Adrian Peterson
>cause they have different body types and then they compared
>him to Ricky Rubio? Cmon. Based on D-Rose's character,
>skillset, and work ethic I think he's going to come back and
>surprise a lot of people.

But he does have a different body type...lol Peterson is a tank....No one said Rose wouldn't be able to come back...What Magic was saying is, if the Bulls are not built to go long in the playoffs NOW, why rush Rose to play this season?


>When he's ready, let's slowly bring him back into our playing
>rotation, monitor his minutes, and let him reestablish himself
>on the team. From there, let's go to the playoffs and see what
>we can do.

Hey...I'm going along for the ride...As a Bulls fan its great to know my boys got heart...

But I'm well aware that this team has issues beating the higher level teams...And with a healthy Rose they still had issues getting over the hump...Hell, the kid has had too much pressure on him as is (they finally rode him until his knee popped...)

Let's hope the front office makes some moves in the off-season...

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124. "If this shit goes down, I was 100% right about JR wanting to tank:"
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Boozer having a great season, Nate holding down our guard rotation while we are banged up, having an awesome season...

AND YOU TRADE THEM FOR BARGNANI AND A NIGGA YOU COULDA RESIGNED LAST YEAR?!?!?!?

Why for?

TANKING!

With Derrick talking about 'not coming back this season', man the tank is in full swing. JR is like, 'damn, I didn't think they'd be THIS good...let me make them worse and save some cap room at the same time. Maybe we'll sink in he east with Noah banged up, Rose not coming back and two of our best this yr, Nate and Booz gone. Yup, sign me up...BUCKETS..O'CASH!!!'

Dula, nope you can't convince me otherwise if this bullshit trade goes down.
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By David Cassilo on Feb 15, 1:39p 14

he Chicago Bulls have a trade offer on the table to the Toronto Raptors. The offer that would send Carlos Boozer and Nate Robinson for Andrea Bargnani and John Lucas III it's up to the Raptors if they want to do it, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The trade would both shake up Chicago's roster and get the Bulls below the luxury-tax threshold by unloading Boozer's contract.

Since signing in Chicago, Boozer's five-year $75 million contract has become an immediate burden for the team. Now in the third year of that deal, Boozer is shooting a career-low 47.1 percent from the field.

His teammate, Nate Robinson, has played a significant role this season with Derrick Rose injured. At 23.8 minutes per game, he's averaging 12 points and 4.2 assists.

The best player of the return package would be Bargnani. A former No. 1 overall pick by Toronto, he has shown significant regression in his seventh season, as his scoring average has fallen from 19.5 to 14.8 points per game.

Lucas III has played a backup role for Toronto this season and is averaging 5.6 points per game.

The NBA trade deadline is on Feb. 21, so a decision by the Raptors must be made soon.


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125. "Ha!"
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Man...this is some bullshit....

Can't say I'm surprised, though...

But oddly enough, this would be a damn good trade for Toronto who needs rebounding and some post play...

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126. "wow."
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no words really.

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127. "RE: If this shit goes down, I was 100% right about JR wanting to tank:"
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>Boozer having a great season, Nate holding down our guard
>rotation while we are banged up, having an awesome season...
>
>AND YOU TRADE THEM FOR BARGNANI AND A NIGGA YOU COULDA
>RESIGNED LAST YEAR?!?!?!?
>
>Why for?
>
>TANKING!
>
>With Derrick talking about 'not coming back this season', man
>the tank is in full swing. JR is like, 'damn, I didn't think
>they'd be THIS good...let me make them worse and save some cap
>room at the same time. Maybe we'll sink in he east with Noah
>banged up, Rose not coming back and two of our best this yr,
>Nate and Booz gone. Yup, sign me up...BUCKETS..O'CASH!!!'
>
>Dula, nope you can't convince me otherwise if this bullshit
>trade goes down.
>_____________________________________________
>
>http://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/15/3992676/nba-trade-rumors-2013-andrea-bargnani-carlos-boozer-raptors-bulls
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>NBA trade rumors: Carlos Boozer-Andrea Bargnani deal waiting
>for Raptors to give OK
>
>By David Cassilo on Feb 15, 1:39p 14
>
>he Chicago Bulls have a trade offer on the table to the
>Toronto Raptors. The offer that would send Carlos Boozer and
>Nate Robinson for Andrea Bargnani and John Lucas III it's up
>to the Raptors if they want to do it, according to the Chicago
>Tribune.
>
>The trade would both shake up Chicago's roster and get the
>Bulls below the luxury-tax threshold by unloading Boozer's
>contract.
>
>Since signing in Chicago, Boozer's five-year $75 million
>contract has become an immediate burden for the team. Now in
>the third year of that deal, Boozer is shooting a career-low
>47.1 percent from the field.
>
>His teammate, Nate Robinson, has played a significant role
>this season with Derrick Rose injured. At 23.8 minutes per
>game, he's averaging 12 points and 4.2 assists.
>
>The best player of the return package would be Bargnani. A
>former No. 1 overall pick by Toronto, he has shown significant
>regression in his seventh season, as his scoring average has
>fallen from 19.5 to 14.8 points per game.
>
>Lucas III has played a backup role for Toronto this season and
>is averaging 5.6 points per game.
>
>The NBA trade deadline is on Feb. 21, so a decision by the
>Raptors must be made soon.


I could understand your anger if we actually had a chance of winning this year. Since we don't, I don't see what the problem is. Nate is gone next season anyway. Like I said before, regardless of what YOU think of Bargnani, other GMs value him more than Boozer. And a package of Bargs/Deng is far more attractive than Boozer/Deng.

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131. "You been on this Barg kick since the rumor popped up"
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so I'ma let you cook. But nothing about his career to me says he'd help more than Boozer. Maybe his size? But I don't care to have a severely watered down version of Dirk before he won anything.

But for yours and our teams sake...I hope you're right. Cuz this stinks of "cap move".

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128. "smdh x4"
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how much cap space will we be looking at?
and who exactly will we be tankin for?

  

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132. "It'll get us under the cap...we are like 3 mil or so over right now"
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To be honest, this yr's draft is so unpredictable, you might get the best guy between 7-13, who knows? Hell Kobe was a #9 pick.

The point is, anything that high is better than being in the 20's.

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129. "That would be a bad move for the Raptors"
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Booz's contract along with Gay's would add up to $36 million next year, out of their $58 million cap. That's a lot of money to be dropping on two non-franchise players. It makes more sense to me for Toronto to try to surround Gay with decent role players and get some young talent in the draft.

Also, do you really think if we made this trade, we'd miss the playoffs? I don't see it. Thibs brings out the best in players and I'm sure he'd find some way to make the roster work. We're in 5th place right now, and only 3 games behind 2nd place. We're 7.5 games away from 9th place. In order to fall out of the playoffs we'd have to play really poorly, which I just don't see happening under Thibs, no matter the roster. Even if we did miss the playoffs, we probably wouldn't get a top 10 pick, and that's in a draft that many are saying is the worst of all time.

I just don't see the strategy in tanking. Is this still a cheap, money saving move by Reinsdorf? Definitely. But this trade has also been on the table for the minute now and the Raptors, understandably so, don't seem interested.

I doubt we'll make a trade before the deadline and I really hope we don't.

  

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133. "I agree..."
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>Booz's contract along with Gay's would add up to $36 million
>next year, out of their $58 million cap. That's a lot of money
>to be dropping on two non-franchise players. It makes more
>sense to me for Toronto to try to surround Gay with decent
>role players and get some young talent in the draft.

The move would guarantee them a 6-8 seed in next yr's playoffs and that's as high as they'd ever get so long as those two are eating that much cap.

>Also, do you really think if we made this trade, we'd miss the
>playoffs? I don't see it. Thibs brings out the best in players
>and I'm sure he'd find some way to make the roster work. We're
>in 5th place right now, and only 3 games behind 2nd place.
>We're 7.5 games away from 9th place. In order to fall out of
>the playoffs we'd have to play really poorly, which I just
>don't see happening under Thibs, no matter the roster. Even if
>we did miss the playoffs, we probably wouldn't get a top 10
>pick, and that's in a draft that many are saying is the worst
>of all time.

I wouldn't say it was a guarantee but...Noah is battling the plantar issue again, which kept him out a huge chunck of games a few yrs ago and a few games this yr and doesn't heal without rest. Deng is playing tons of minutes as usual and it's likely he could get banged up. So booz gone, Bargnani hurt/coming off injury and learning a new system, nate gone, rose not playing, Noah possibly not playing and Deng possibly banged up = possibly shitty second half of the season.

Yeah we are 7 games up on Philly but who's to say Bynum doesn't come back and they go on a decent lil run to finish the yr?

All I'm saying is, we'll sink before we rise. Having a 15-16 pick is better than having 21-25 pick. Low seed but STILL make the playoffs (fans can cheer) + cap move (money savings for JR's cheap ass) + worse record (better draft slot...could take young talent or use in a trade for a D-Rose sidekick) = JR trying to cover all the bases.

The bottom line is this is NOT a move to make us better.

>I just don't see the strategy in tanking. Is this still a
>cheap, money saving move by Reinsdorf? Definitely. But this
>trade has also been on the table for the minute now and the
>Raptors, understandably so, don't seem interested.

I just laid it out for you. And most teams hold deals until the very end to gauge the market. Only reason Rudy moved early is because they had been discussing that deal since the trade deadline LAST year and had an inside line to it (t-dot WANTED Gay). They just need to move Bargnani and can't find takers so getting at least a DECENT player in return might be their last option...only reason they'd consider the deal.

>I doubt we'll make a trade before the deadline and I really
>hope we don't.

If this article is correct...it's in T Dots hands, so we are looking to deal.

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130. "Outside of Miami the East is evenly matched"
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And this team is more dynamic than last years team (save for Omer's defense).

Giving up right now is dumb. Wade or Bosh go down with an injury and its wide open.

Derrick is talking this 110% stuff but that's just not possible until he sees game action. The doc that performed his surgery even said he needs to play in games to start feeling right again.

As long as the doctors say he can't fuck anything up, and he can run/jump/cut properly, he'll be playing. Hopefully early March.

  

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134. "Reggie Rose is mad"
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This guy just threw the entire team under the bus. It's cool that he's attempting to ignite a fire under Reinsdorfs cheap ass, but this is not the way to do it. Jo and Lu have been putting in work keeping this team above 500. Not good.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8971475/derrick-rose-brother-says-no-trades-big-factor-return


CHICAGO -- Derrick Rose's brother and manager Reggie Rose said Thursday the franchise hasn't put enough quality players around the Chicago Bulls star to win a championship and that could be a "big factor" in whether he returns this season from a knee injury.

Reggie Rose said he was speaking for himself and not his brother.

"What have you pieced together? Have you made any moves? Have you made any trades to get better? You know all roads to the championship lead through Miami," Reggie Rose told ESPNChicago.com. "What pieces have you put together for the physical playoffs?


It's frustrating to see my brother play his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him.

-- Reggie Rose
"Joakim Noah is a great player. Luol Deng is a great player. But you need more than that. You have to put together pieces to your main piece. The players can only do so much. It's up to the organization to make them better."

The Bulls stood pat at Thursday's trade deadline.

"It's frustrating to see my brother play his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him," Reggie Rose said.

Pulling off a trade would have been complicated for the Bulls, who are hard capped at $74 million in payroll this season.

"We're up against what's called a hard cap," Bulls vice president John Paxson said last month on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN Chicago 1000. "In order for us to do something we're not in a position to take on any real salary so we're kind of limited in what we can do. I think our team has grown -- it's not always pretty, let's face it; we've had some ugly games this year and that's kind of who we are right now. But we do grind it out and play hard.

"You're always on the lookout to do certain things, but I think our move hopefully will be bringing Derrick back into the fold."

The Bulls, who have had the NBA's best record the past two seasons, have been without Rose all season as he recovers from May knee surgery but have stayed near the top of the Central Division standings. They enter Thursday's game against the Miami Heat with a 31-22 record and are the fifth seed in the East.

Initially believed to return sometime after last weekend's All-Star break, Rose said last week he wouldn't "mind missing this year" if he didn't feel ready to return and insisted that the decision is his to make.

Reggie Rose said the Bulls have known all along Rose could sit out this season, but the organization hasn't mentioned it because it would have affected ticket sales.

"Everyone is expecting Derrick to come back," Reggie Rose said. "If Derrick comes back, they're going to sell more tickets. Is the reason for Derrick to come back to win a championship or make money? Right now, I don't believe a championship. Everything in the NBA is financial."

Bulls general manager Gar Forman declined comment when contacted by ESPNChicago.com.

Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said Thursday that Rose has "made the next step" in his rehab by participating in 5-on-5 drills on Monday and Wednesday, but he is still uncertain when Rose will be back.

"The big thing is you have to recognize the intensity of practice is different than the intensity of a game," Thibodeau said. "So he's made the next step. He's got to do this for a while. There's no timetable. He's making good progress. He's right where he should be. We just want him to continue to concentrate on the rehab, and when he's ready to go he'll go."

Gallery: Derrick Rose's career
From preps to the Bulls, ESPN Chicago focuses on point guard Derrick Rose.

Gallery: Rose's career Bulls blog »
Reggie Rose believes Derrick Rose is close to playing this season, but he has to be ready in all facets before that happens.

"We can't give a timetable on it," Reggie Rose said. "It's up to Derrick. ... It's a possibility (he could miss the season). It's about Derrick's career. If he plays in the first game and aggravates the injury, what are they going to say about him coming back too soon?

"This isn't a quick decision. This is a career decision. It's not about just making the playoffs. It's about my little brother's career. He has to be ready physically and mentally. I want him to be in a position not to fail and let everyone down."

Reggie Rose said Rose's camp communicates weekly with the Bulls and insists there is no disconnect.

"We talk off and on," Reggie Rose said. "It's not every day. I think everyone is on the same page. I just think at the end of the day it's on the player, it's on Derrick to feel OK."

Rose's Adidas contract dwarfs his deal with the Bulls, but Reggie Rose said Adidas does not have a say in his return.

"Not at all," Reggie Rose said. "They have a partnership with Derrick. Derrick has a brand in their company. Adidas would love to get him back on the court. They've had two shoes released by him."

  

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135. "RE: Reggie Rose is mad"
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He ain't lying though...

Still, should have kept it in-house...Not a good look...But the truth often hurts...

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136. "but then if Rose doesn't come back..."
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...people will blame him for not coming back when the team and media is making it seem like he is going to suit up next week.


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138. "This team is like Aaron Aflalo away from a championship. "
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Mayo would work too.

We're not that far off.

  

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139. "RE: This team is like Aaron Aflalo away from a championship. "
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>Mayo would work too.
>
>We're not that far off.


I agree...But Jerry too damn cheap to do anything about it...

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137. "I'm happy his manager is his brother and his name is "Reggie""
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140. "We played defense in January. "
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We're not now.
Makes sense.

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141. "RE: We played defense in January. "
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>We're not now.
>Makes sense.


Defense was holding everything together...It was covering our offensive shortcomings...

It is what it is...

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142. "psychic instincts tell me he will be back tomorrow"
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i will be wrong, obviously.

makes sense though. so-so opponent at home. non-conference game. let him ease back into it with a big game vs indiana coming up on sat.

reports are saying he's doing everything at a high level. hopefully is mind is right.

  

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143. "man i hope so cause now that i know he is cleared every time "
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i see nate robinson jack up a shot with the starters
i get mad

or we lose
i get mad

  

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144. "I expect both to continue when he returns. "
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Of course, I don't think Rose is coming back this season.

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145. "No Noah? Nets in 6."
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And that's being generous.

With Noah & Taj?
And we get 'good' Nate?
Bulls in 7 maybe.

I'm excited about the playoffs, but I'm not feeling confident after that March.

(rose is playing xbox until Oct)

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148. "close games would be fun"
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this series should be grimey. don't expect the bulls to win but as long as the grime is there i'll be entertained.

  

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149. "i'm reading noah will try to play tonight"
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we can win if jo gives us some good minutes. if noah is out, and nazr gets in foul trouble or remembers he's the oldest player in the league we're in trouble. that being said, if noah can't play without worsening his injury then he shouldn't.

and i've defended derrick all season from people questioning his competitiveness and commitment to the team, but if he doesn't sit on the bench for every playoff game i'm not sure i can keep defending him. i know it may seem silly, but his teammates are out there giving their all, the least he can do is sit on the bench and cheer them on/give them pointers.

  

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