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"The Jeremy Lin Watch Is On"
Mon Oct-15-12 08:39 PM by subjctmattr

          

I know its pre-season so I will not go in fully on the dudes recent struggles.
But I will be watching dude like a hawk all year.

Feel free to sell your stock now before the season starts.

  

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lol, mf's going out like Randolph and Mortimer...
Oct 15th 2012
1
LOL
Oct 15th 2012
8
i predict a double double avg.
Oct 15th 2012
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No
Oct 15th 2012
12
17 & 7 41%shooting 18-64 record.
Oct 15th 2012
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better than Felt-On
Oct 15th 2012
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http://i.imgur.com/SchtH.gif
Oct 15th 2012
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he looked like ass against the spurs
Oct 15th 2012
6
lol first of all:
Oct 15th 2012
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RE: lol first of all:
Oct 16th 2012
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second
Oct 15th 2012
9
lol damn
Oct 15th 2012
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RE: second
Oct 16th 2012
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can he use his left hand yet?
Oct 15th 2012
11
Knick Fans Deserve All The Dumb Shit That Continues To Happen To Them
Oct 15th 2012
13
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RsJH8s5Yc/TeqOjKYhl7I/AAAAAAAADD8/3OThuDSFht...
Oct 16th 2012
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you got me fucked up, I'm happy about this outcome
Oct 16th 2012
32
You would have no life if not for NY sports
Oct 17th 2012
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      RE: You would have no life if not for NY sports
Oct 18th 2012
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I made this post so people could sell stock...instead they're buying mor...
Oct 16th 2012
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You know Bin, Shawn and Don going down with the ship
Oct 16th 2012
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meanwhile, you drowned about 20x last season. every time lin
Oct 16th 2012
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      keep telling yourself that
Oct 16th 2012
18
           um truth said lin wouldn't score 20 again. he scored 20 the very next
Oct 16th 2012
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                No, it's not.
Oct 16th 2012
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                     dude you gave em an out with that 20 point shit
Oct 16th 2012
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                     lol its the very definition of an L.
Oct 16th 2012
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                     It is what it is, I lost a battle but I'm winning the war so it's all go...
Oct 16th 2012
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                          how exactly are you winning the war right now?
Oct 16th 2012
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                               lol yeah i don't get it.
Oct 16th 2012
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                               "because he's not that good"
Oct 16th 2012
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                                    good enough to be in a rotation?
Oct 16th 2012
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                                         RE: good enough to be in a rotation?
Oct 16th 2012
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                                              so what are you winning again? last year he was starting
Oct 16th 2012
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                                                   post #56
Oct 16th 2012
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                                                        so you're not winning. got it.
Oct 16th 2012
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                                                             RE: so you're not winning. got it.
Oct 16th 2012
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                                                                  he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) you
Oct 16th 2012
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                                                                       RE: he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) y...
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                            he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) you
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 RE: he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) y...
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 you weren't talking about other teams when you made that comment
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 lol, are you fucking Jeremy Lin or what? The sun shines on a dog's ass.....
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 lol wat? you said lin wasnt good enoough to help the knicks
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 what dId he help the Knicks win? They were 15-10 in the games he...
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 dude what are you arguing? you already took your L
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 lol, you're the flustered a crying about an irrelevant player on...
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                                                 lol what?
Oct 18th 2012
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                                                                                 lol, you're real emo about this shit huh fam? 15 regular season games
Oct 18th 2012
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                     lol did you say lin wouldn't score 20 again?
Oct 16th 2012
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and he wouldnt have been the best player on the knicks
Oct 16th 2012
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cmon.
Oct 16th 2012
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Read the post....I am not declaring his a bust
Oct 16th 2012
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      who said 20 and 10? and he clarified his comments to say that
Oct 16th 2012
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      It wasn't you that said 20 & 10
Oct 16th 2012
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           if i said 20 and 10 it had to be his ceiling
Oct 16th 2012
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      I said it. And stand by it.
Oct 16th 2012
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      WOW That's some serious bullshit you just spit!!
Oct 16th 2012
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      my argument was always year 3 doesn't matter b/c he'll be expiring
Oct 16th 2012
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      RE: WOW That's some serious bullshit you just spit!!
Oct 16th 2012
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      You can tell mf's that don't know shit about ball throwing out random...
Oct 16th 2012
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           I don't know shit about ball. coming from ThaTruth. noted.
Oct 16th 2012
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           Steve Nash career 50, 40, 90 guys is not as good a scorer as Lin...
Oct 16th 2012
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                sigh. stockton is 51, 38, and 83.
Oct 16th 2012
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                nobody's talking about Stockton, we're talking about Steve Nash...
Oct 16th 2012
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                lol Jeremy Lin has thaTruth defending Nash? awesome
Oct 16th 2012
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                     RE: lol Jeremy Lin has thaTruth defending Nash? awesome
Oct 16th 2012
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                          can't wait for when the Lakers come after Lin again, lol
Oct 16th 2012
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                               By the time Nash retires Lin will be starring in the CBA
Oct 17th 2012
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                                    that doesnt even make sense
Oct 17th 2012
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                                         did you see who said it?
Oct 17th 2012
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                                              Guy Aoki, former president of the Asian anti-defamation league?
Oct 17th 2012
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                                                   lol i think his agenda is just to rack up L's
Oct 18th 2012
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           oh i agree.
Oct 16th 2012
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           lmao damn
Oct 16th 2012
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                your football season is over and your center has shiity knees.
Oct 16th 2012
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      how is he overpaid?
Oct 16th 2012
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           Guiness...Cenario...we'll revisit overpaid during the season OK?
Oct 16th 2012
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                Why do you care how much money lin gets paid?
Oct 16th 2012
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                yeah you avoiding this post like crazy.lol
Oct 16th 2012
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                     See post #38...jeez
Oct 16th 2012
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                          no, what you don't understand is the salary cap.
Oct 16th 2012
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                $5M is peanuts for a starting PG.
Oct 16th 2012
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                     What if I can get one for 3, that'll be better?
Oct 16th 2012
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                          the money we 'saved' on jeremy lin was not used on the other pgs
Oct 16th 2012
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                               I really wanna ignore you, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID IT DID
Oct 16th 2012
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                                    and we could have still added lin after we got felton and kidd too
Oct 16th 2012
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                                         dude is SUPER-CONCERNED about dolan's pockets.
Oct 17th 2012
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                                              yeah i don't get it.
Oct 18th 2012
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List of PGs making less or similar to Lin.
Oct 16th 2012
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lol you just wasted alot of time looking that up
Oct 16th 2012
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      I work from home I have time.
Oct 16th 2012
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      Im actually fine with that list to bring up later
Oct 16th 2012
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           comparing him to other pgs at similiar salaries is fine in general
Oct 16th 2012
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                I'm just stating facts
Oct 16th 2012
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                     what are you talking about? kyrie will be around 10mil in 3 yrs
Oct 16th 2012
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                     NO, IT'LL BE 7
Oct 16th 2012
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                          you meant in the 3rd year of lin's deal?
Oct 16th 2012
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                     that's so fucking stupid.
Oct 16th 2012
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Hes there to market and sell jerseys
Oct 16th 2012
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Jersey sales are collective bargained
Oct 16th 2012
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Why do you think Volvo signed Lin to an endorsement deal?
Oct 16th 2012
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Good for Lin. What does that have to do with NBA teams?
Oct 16th 2012
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      Who owns the Rockets? What else does he own?
Oct 16th 2012
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           lol nice.
Oct 16th 2012
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                Meanwhile, Carmelo is investing in coconut water.
Oct 16th 2012
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U think asians give a fuk if hes a scrub at this point?
Oct 16th 2012
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see: Yi Jianlin
Oct 16th 2012
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i love handing subjctmatter L's
Oct 16th 2012
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      Feel free to do so.
Oct 16th 2012
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cool, because my Knicks Still Suck Watch been on since 2008
Oct 16th 2012
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Unfortunately I think Zeke mighta told dumbass Dolan to let Lin walk
Oct 16th 2012
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      nah, we not playing that game
Oct 17th 2012
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FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHIT IN THIS POST
Oct 16th 2012
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If you think he got paid only for his basketball ability, you're an idio...
Oct 16th 2012
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      I guess Darren Rovell is an idiot too then..LISTEN UP
Oct 16th 2012
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           LOL
Oct 16th 2012
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           Guess what: He is.
Oct 16th 2012
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Kyrie is about 5/48 in the pre season as well, means nothing.
Oct 16th 2012
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thatruth and subjctmatter are the types of dudes
Oct 16th 2012
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what are you talking about. Tha truth is winning right now!
Oct 16th 2012
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If he ever averages 18&8 for a season I will quit OKS
Oct 18th 2012
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This Post is Hilarious
Oct 16th 2012
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"I respect that" (c) Rawse
Oct 16th 2012
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26 to 30 wins for the rockets wit lin doing his thang...i'm good lol
Oct 16th 2012
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COMMON SENSE...HALLELUJAH
Oct 16th 2012
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      lol this is the biggest bullshit
Oct 16th 2012
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           dude didn't like lin during linsanity..was so proud to say he was not
Oct 16th 2012
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                Yes we could have, my point is WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.
Oct 17th 2012
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                     sign him b.c he can play pg for the knicks. he did it last year and
Oct 17th 2012
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                     RE: Yes we could have, my point is WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.
Oct 17th 2012
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This is a surprisingly good agenda. Will be reading.
Oct 17th 2012
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agreed
Oct 17th 2012
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      it's revived basketball talk
Oct 18th 2012
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           'cism
Oct 18th 2012
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           LOL
Oct 18th 2012
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Lol truth losing all integrity for you dudes that want to see lin fail
Oct 17th 2012
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Subjctmatter do you win if Lin has a line like tonight?
Oct 17th 2012
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Let's say this....
Oct 17th 2012
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you're a fucking idiot.
Oct 17th 2012
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damn stat boy Morey signing a check for $25mil got you INVESTED
Oct 17th 2012
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lol
Oct 17th 2012
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Reading really is fundamental....
Oct 18th 2012
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LOL!
Oct 18th 2012
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      lol guess he meant that one game ain't worth 25 mil
Oct 18th 2012
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If he averages 12 assists per game I'll quit OKS.
Oct 18th 2012
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I agree wit this
Oct 17th 2012
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      Oh my God...does not one read on OKP???
Oct 18th 2012
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the fact you and cenario are dug in a foxhole on the defensive means
Oct 17th 2012
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read my response above.
Oct 17th 2012
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is 4 pts 1 ast 1 rebounds 1 steal and 2 TO an excellent game for a PG?
Oct 17th 2012
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wait, what?
Oct 17th 2012
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      RE: wait, what?
Oct 17th 2012
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           RE: wait, what?
Oct 17th 2012
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           RE: wait, what?
Oct 17th 2012
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           the last 20 games isn't a small sample size?
Oct 17th 2012
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                ain't my fault his college and pre knicks career was irrelevant as fuck
Oct 18th 2012
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                     who's we and what exactly do you think he is
Oct 18th 2012
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                          16 and 6
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                               lol, 16 and 8 was a typo, so if he doesn't do 16 and 6 then he's
Oct 18th 2012
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                                    oh you want a specific word so we can get into a back and forth over
Oct 18th 2012
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                                         i'm just trying to understand what you think he is
Oct 18th 2012
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                                         lol, that's all he ever wants to do
Oct 18th 2012
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you are responding to an agenda troll
Oct 17th 2012
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      i give him the benefit of the doubt.
Oct 17th 2012
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      i'm following that Philly GD thread....don't give too much info
Oct 18th 2012
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lol i didnt make this post
Oct 17th 2012
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Lin's still recovering from his injury & getting in shape
Oct 17th 2012
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      the rox are gonna be okay.
Oct 17th 2012
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why you guys respond to subjectmtrr or SPM seriously is beyond my unders...
Oct 17th 2012
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http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/1/23/128772176292004320.jpg
Oct 17th 2012
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LMAO. Loser of this thread at the end of the season has to buy and wear ...
Oct 17th 2012
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Script flip: what's a "good" season for the Knicks this year?
Oct 18th 2012
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good question
Oct 18th 2012
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winning a playoff series will be enough, BUT ECF should be the goal
Oct 18th 2012
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be better than the Nets
Oct 18th 2012
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not having isiah around is the basis for a "good" season for many
Oct 18th 2012
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      treading water and focusing on agendas that don't matter: Knicks
Oct 18th 2012
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           lol i'm still waiting for someone to explain the benefit we've gained
Oct 18th 2012
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                Without Lin, Knicks lose 3-4 more games, finish 8th,
Oct 18th 2012
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                     lol smh
Oct 18th 2012
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For your reading pleasure
Oct 18th 2012
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10 GAMES IN....10 AND 7
Nov 19th 2012
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dude is sorry.
Nov 19th 2012
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...
Nov 19th 2012
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fuck are we supposed to do with this?
Nov 19th 2012
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      he did the whole Linsanity thing last year
Nov 20th 2012
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           that's obviously not true.
Nov 20th 2012
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                name names, who has similar stats and is a starting PG for a winning
Nov 20th 2012
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NO.
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I can't wait to hear what part of that you disagree with
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      STILL WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THIS GUINESS!!!
Nov 20th 2012
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i see this..but i'm not doing lin vs. felton wit knick fans until
Nov 20th 2012
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I'm just here cause I don't want y'all cats
Nov 19th 2012
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He is what he is
Nov 19th 2012
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yes, an average PG.
Nov 19th 2012
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      he's a below average PG on a below average team, letting him walk...
Nov 19th 2012
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      You may disagree
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      You may disagree
Nov 19th 2012
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      You may disagree
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           i agree.
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           he may
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Clutch Fans want Dragic back
Nov 19th 2012
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      That's cause they're texans
Nov 19th 2012
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           And Dragic is a BETTER player, lol...
Nov 19th 2012
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           RE: And Dragic is a BETTER player, lol...
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                And when you get done, Dragic is STILL a BETTER player
Nov 19th 2012
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           dragic is better.
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           Exactly
Nov 19th 2012
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           THIS right here is why you man Morey is a moron.
Nov 20th 2012
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                does anyone get along with lowry?
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                     yea we couldnt have Harden + Lowry
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           in defense of racist texans
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           Or it's because Dragic is the better player
Nov 20th 2012
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NOV 23
Nov 19th 2012
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trolling this shit ain't even fun anymore
Nov 19th 2012
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he played more games last year than he has this year.
Nov 20th 2012
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why are you being dense, though?
Nov 20th 2012
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The funny thing is that the whole linsanity thing on here
Nov 20th 2012
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i watch the games. his all around game is not good
Nov 20th 2012
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      This is bulshit
Nov 20th 2012
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      i've watched almost all the rox games.
Nov 20th 2012
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           yae i'm cool with that. his avg/below avg. whatever
Nov 20th 2012
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                Im back and forth on this
Nov 20th 2012
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                     do you think he would have fit into Woodsons system?
Nov 20th 2012
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                          they are actually running offense similar to d'antoni's
Nov 20th 2012
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                          whoops.
Nov 20th 2012
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                               i said less stupid 3's.
Nov 20th 2012
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                          yes.
Nov 20th 2012
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I can tell you secretly like him
Nov 20th 2012
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i'm assuming bad is in quotes b.c he didn't have a bad
Nov 20th 2012
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      dumbass
Nov 20th 2012
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           this why i go in on yall. use some fucking common sense
Nov 20th 2012
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                no the reason there is a lin agenda is bc truth said he was
Nov 20th 2012
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                lol, my name stay in your mouth, you really hurting over this shit, huh?
Nov 20th 2012
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                     is anything i said false? the first post on lin went 300+ deep
Nov 20th 2012
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                          Do you want a hug?
Nov 20th 2012
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                               so you agree....cool.
Nov 20th 2012
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                Me Agenda's sake?
Nov 20th 2012
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SMH.
Nov 20th 2012
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Why do most of you want to see him fail so badly?
Nov 20th 2012
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i'd love for him to be the asian pistol pete or bob cousy
Nov 20th 2012
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I wouldnt engage you if you werent a ROC fan
Nov 20th 2012
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i would be backing this dude 100% if not for shawn
Nov 20th 2012
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RE: i would be backing this dude 100% if not for Austin
Nov 20th 2012
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      nah..YOU said something...
Nov 20th 2012
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i feel the same way
Nov 20th 2012
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Someone above said I would go down with the ship
Nov 20th 2012
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shit
Nov 20th 2012
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LOL
Nov 20th 2012
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and by the way, for what it's worth, i haven't even been "hatin"
Nov 20th 2012
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LMAO you made a whole post about it
Nov 20th 2012
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      i did? lmao...maybe i did...
Nov 20th 2012
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i get it. i do.
Nov 20th 2012
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lmao dude he will.
Nov 20th 2012
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      lol, shit like this is why I can't take you seriously....
Nov 20th 2012
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           please enlighten
Nov 20th 2012
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                It doesn't have shit to do with the lottery, but how good you think...
Nov 20th 2012
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                     uhhhh
Nov 20th 2012
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                          I quoted what I was talking about...
Nov 20th 2012
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So it's important to just ignore baseball?
Nov 20th 2012
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RE: So it's important to just ignore baseball?
Nov 20th 2012
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Well, it's not just baseball....
Nov 20th 2012
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      DAT NGUYEN!!!! but Fujita? cmonnnn
Nov 20th 2012
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           Pretty sure there wasn't a "memo."
Nov 20th 2012
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                The easy answer is you wouldnt understand cause youre white
Nov 20th 2012
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                Eh...I understand victim complexes just fine....
Nov 20th 2012
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                more famous, plays a sport without a helmet
Nov 20th 2012
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                So here's a more thoughtful answer
Nov 20th 2012
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                lol, I think you kinda jumped the shark here...
Nov 20th 2012
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                A lot of us* had dreams of playing in the NBA back in the mid/late 90s
Nov 20th 2012
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baseball still isn't enough
Nov 20th 2012
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HERE'S THE THING though: Lin should be allowed to fail
Nov 20th 2012
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yeah, fine.
Nov 20th 2012
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      Lin isn't playing well and the Knicks are world beaters.
Nov 20th 2012
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           felton hasn't been better than lin.
Nov 20th 2012
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                Just stop with the bullshit. Go write Haikus and cry.
Nov 20th 2012
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                LOL
Nov 20th 2012
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                RE: felton hasn't been better than lin. <-----that is just DELUSIONAL!!!
Nov 20th 2012
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                cool, man.
Nov 20th 2012
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                     See kids this is why you don't do Meth.
Nov 20th 2012
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                     I won't engage with people who clearly DONT WATCH GAMES!!!
Nov 20th 2012
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                          holler at my league pass, dirtball.
Nov 20th 2012
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                http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=405807&stc=1&d=12693...
Nov 20th 2012
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I think everybody has understood all that from day 1
Nov 20th 2012
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is the watch made in Taiwan too?
Nov 20th 2012
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No. China
Nov 20th 2012
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Honest Lin Assessment So Far
Nov 20th 2012
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mchale is a bum. hes been a bum, i have no idea
Nov 20th 2012
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Mike Brown II
Nov 21st 2012
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Fair points...dont completely agree will be back after lunch
Nov 20th 2012
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LOL
Nov 20th 2012
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first time seeing this. taking widrange Js is a bad thing...
Nov 20th 2012
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check this out.
Nov 20th 2012
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      i don't care about your numbers. i care about basketball.
Nov 20th 2012
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           i'm not saying that at all.
Nov 20th 2012
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Dude, Just Stop
Nov 20th 2012
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Just when I though u couldn't say anything dumber!
Nov 20th 2012
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      that's what you got from that?
Nov 20th 2012
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           So a 23 ft shot is JUST AS SIMPLE AS A 3 FOOTER?
Nov 20th 2012
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                It's very clear that you DON'T WATCH GAMES!!!!
Nov 20th 2012
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                again.
Nov 20th 2012
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                     reading this has been painful
Nov 20th 2012
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                     i don't understand how adults can be so obtuse.
Nov 20th 2012
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                     LOL. OKPs can't shake off their dumb ass bird brains
Nov 21st 2012
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                     it really is, every time i see it i want to help mediate
Nov 20th 2012
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                     since this thread is till going, I think what you're doing is called
Nov 21st 2012
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RE: Honest Lin Assessment So Far
Nov 20th 2012
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sooo.....harden's selfish with them immaculate shot charts
Nov 20th 2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspMaIsXGxQ
Nov 21st 2012
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...
Dec 04th 2012
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I didn't know Lin was out for two weeks
Dec 04th 2012
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might have to start watching the bench to see him
Dec 08th 2012
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witness
Dec 10th 2012
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20 GAMES IN....11 and 4
Dec 11th 2012
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11 and 6 and he's getting 8 mil a year
Dec 11th 2012
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Yes I can
Dec 11th 2012
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god, this is stupid.
Dec 11th 2012
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Like Gunness said theres several problems here
Dec 11th 2012
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      Lawson is putting up number similar to Lin last season
Dec 11th 2012
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Tick Tock
Dec 26th 2012
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Hello...is it me you're looking for????
Jan 02nd 2013
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yea isnt it game 31 or something?
Jan 02nd 2013
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Heres a 2 week old article
Jan 02nd 2013
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Approx. 30 games in (Yeah I may be late)
Jan 02nd 2013
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you might need to re-evaluate this:
Jan 02nd 2013
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      Frankly speaking: I DON'T CARE
Jan 02nd 2013
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           lol oh thats how you spinning this now???bwaahaahhahaaa
Jan 02nd 2013
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           id love to be my rational self and give him the benefit of the doubt
Jan 02nd 2013
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                lol pretty much..wonder what bs truth, spm and ill jux gon come
Jan 02nd 2013
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           the taking my ball and going home approach. aight.
Jan 02nd 2013
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www.thatmfsuck.com
Jan 21st 2013
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Watched yesterdays game last night
Jan 22nd 2013
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Things he has to work on this summer via his shooting coach
Apr 17th 2013
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Lol I thought subjctblatther was bringing the watch back tonight
Apr 17th 2013
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Honest Opinion
Apr 18th 2013
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      word
Apr 18th 2013
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           And you give a guy like Beverly 30 minutes and its a different story
Apr 18th 2013
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1. "lol, mf's going out like Randolph and Mortimer..."
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>Feel free to sell your stock now before the season starts.

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8. "LOL"
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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2. "i predict a double double avg. "
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he'll get all the tick he wants & mchale is preaching a run n gun offense as our best defense soo...the shots'll go up

10 pts, 13 asts per

book it


do or die

  

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12. "No"
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>he'll get all the tick he wants & mchale is preaching a run n
>gun offense as our best defense soo...the shots'll go up
>
>10 pts, 13 asts per
>
>book it
>
>
>do or die

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3. "17 & 7 41%shooting 18-64 record."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "better than Felt-On"
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put that in the bank

  

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5. "http://i.imgur.com/SchtH.gif"
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>put that in the bank

http://i.imgur.com/SchtH.gif

  

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6. "he looked like ass against the spurs"
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there was a sequence where tony parker broke his ankles for the score on one end
then lin came down and shot a 15 ft. airball......
i only watched the 1st quarter but he was NOT looking good

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7. "lol first of all:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2048767&mesg_id=2048767&listing_type=search#2048770


I know youre sicing here, but Ill be serious. I mean the most youve been doing is boxscore watching cause its been hard to catch games even for Houston fans because of the channel switch. Yesterdays game was on NBATV but the first two games you had to search on som obscure chinese streams.

Game 1 I watched (if you can call it that). The stream made jeremy Lin look like Renaldo Balkman so I could barely figure out what was going on--especially since it was in Chinese. Game 2 was better, and I watched most of the game yesterday.

He looks fine right now. He's moving well on both ends of the floor and he just plays with a good pace and energy. There's a marked difference in energy on both ends of the floor when he's not on the floor much like the Knicks last year when he was off the court during "Linsanity".

So far he's done a much better job of playing within the flow of the offense. Hes not forcing things--not sure if its cause he's "learned" or if its because of preseason. The problem with this for me is aggressiveness is his strength. He'll have to find a way to balance the two things.

Opposing guareds have definitely been attacking him hard and making him work on both ends of the floor. I think its good for him right now to get back into shape. Cory Joseph was guarding him full court yesterday so he really had to work.

In the limited sample size, it seems like they arent gonna run as much iso and pick and roll as NY did. His points projection may be down, but its looking like his assists will be up and his turnovers down. His steals will still be there but his rebounding is going to drop.

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21. "RE: lol first of all:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2048767&mesg_id=2048767&listing_type=search#2048770

I made it very clear...IN THIS POST that I will not mock his pre-season.
But I also made it clear that once the season starts all bets are off.

  

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9. "second"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jeremy-lin-revisionist-history-begins-york-003633184--nba.html

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10. "lol damn"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "RE: second"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jeremy-lin-revisionist-history-begins-york-003633184--nba.html

Houston is already worried about dude, and yes most Knick fans were all on Lin's nut sack..I FOR ONE WAS NOT EVER ONE OF THEM. Which gives me the right to come for dude when and if he sucks balls.

  

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11. "can he use his left hand yet? "
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13. "Knick Fans Deserve All The Dumb Shit That Continues To Happen To Them"
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ad infinitum and/or until that bar-band-fronting/cableman's son sells the team which will be never, couldn't happen to a bigger band of deluded shitheads in all of sports.

  

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15. "http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RsJH8s5Yc/TeqOjKYhl7I/AAAAAAAADD8/3OThuDSFht..."
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RsJH8s5Yc/TeqOjKYhl7I/AAAAAAAADD8/3OThuDSFhtw/s1600/lol-why-you-mad-tho.jpg

  

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32. "you got me fucked up, I'm happy about this outcome"
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117. "You would have no life if not for NY sports"
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I wish I could come up with similiar hate for philly but there is nothing to talk about.

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173. "RE: You would have no life if not for NY sports"
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>I wish I could come up with similiar hate for philly but
>there is nothing to talk about.
- BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE.

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14. "I made this post so people could sell stock...instead they're buying mor..."
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Jeremy Lin ain't the best player on the team.
Shit he might not be the best point guard on the team.
Matter of fact he might not be the best player on the team named Jeremy!

  

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16. "You know Bin, Shawn and Don going down with the ship"
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________________________________________
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17. "meanwhile, you drowned about 20x last season. every time lin"
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dropped 20. Including the 38 and 7 he put on YOUR SQUAD.

There is nothing that could possibly happen ever that would detract from the massive L lin served you.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "keep telling yourself that"
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>There is nothing that could possibly happen ever that would
>detract from the massive L lin served you.

the whole point was that Lin wasn't that good...... despite the couple of big games he had.....
so far that's looking 100% true

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19. "um truth said lin wouldn't score 20 again. he scored 20 the very next"
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game, then dropped 38 on the lakers, then dropped 20 over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

That's a massive L no matter how you try to cook it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "No, it's not."
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>That's a massive L no matter how you try to cook it.

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22. "dude you gave em an out with that 20 point shit"
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u know that nigga gonna hang on to that line with a death grip now, bwhahahahaha

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25. "lol its the very definition of an L."
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Oh that's not gonna ever happen again.

It happens in the next game.
It happens that week against your team.
It happens repeatedly through the season.

that is a textbook definition of an L.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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44. "It is what it is, I lost a battle but I'm winning the war so it's all go..."
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48. "how exactly are you winning the war right now?"
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Because Jeremy signed a 25 million dollar contract? I mean i can understnd if you said you think the tide of the war is changing given the injury...but winning? Right today? LMAO.


btw i cant find that post where you or SPM said he wouldnt see a 5 million dollar contract this summer. That was another good L.

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50. "lol yeah i don't get it."
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He done lost the war already.

and is trying to pick it up again.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1910985&mesg_id=1910985&listing_type=search#1914887

Last year is done, everyone took L's on that already. Lin far surpassed everyone's expectations last year. Those that doubted had to take that L.

If you want to discuss the caliber of pg he is this year or in the future, that's a new discussion, but last year truth was on some he's a dleaguer. that ain't happening bruh.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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56. ""because he's not that good""
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57. "good enough to be in a rotation?"
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he's a starter right now.

how are you winning?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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63. "RE: good enough to be in a rotation?"
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>he's a starter right now.

He's not starting shit now because the season hasn't begun, let's see how it works out throughout the year.

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66. "so what are you winning again? last year he was starting"
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this year he's projected to start.

you said you are winning the war?

what are you winning?

unless you meant to say that you are GOING to win the war?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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70. "post #56"
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73. "so you're not winning. got it. "
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you said he was not good enough to get minutes on the knicks.

He got minutes, put up numbers, won games, won the starting job, won more games, was clutch, made his teammates better etc.

YOU LOST.

thanks.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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86. "RE: so you're not winning. got it. "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1910985&mesg_id=1910985&listing_type=search#1910986

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106. "he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) you"
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he played, made the knicks better...you lost.

why are you still talking?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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111. "RE: he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) y..."
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>he played, made the knicks better...you lost.
>
>why are you still talking?

Ray Felton played for the Knicks and made them better too, what is your point?

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112. "he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) you"
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^^^^Your words...you were wrong. I never said raymond felton wasn't good enough to get minutes for the knicks.

You said that about lin ,he played made the knicks better. Knicks wanted to keep him rox made a better offer, knicks ain't match.

Bc he's not that good (c) you

Wrong

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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114. "RE: he's not that good, which is why the knicks haven't played him (c) y..."
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So I guess he had been cut by 2 other NBA teams because he was Asian?

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115. "you weren't talking about other teams when you made that comment"
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you were talking about the knicks.

you were wrong.

so were the other teams.

why are you still talking now?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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118. "lol, are you fucking Jeremy Lin or what? The sun shines on a dog's ass....."
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every now any then. Dude had a hot streak of 25 or so games but I don't think they're making a bust in Springfield just yet.

There's been a lot of dudes in the NBA that fell into the right situation at the right time and had a similar run then came back down to earth and never came close to that level again. Lin being Asian and playing for the Knicks made it a bigger deal than if it was somebody named John Brown playing for the Bucks.

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119. "lol wat? you said lin wasnt good enoough to help the knicks"
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He did.

All that hogwash you spittin is nonsense. He goes back to the d league today and he still helped the knicks win last year and deserved to get a chance.

You said he wasn't good enough to get minutes for the knicks and you were wrong.

Why are you still talking?

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120. "what dId he help the Knicks win? They were 15-10 in the games he..."
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started. After he got hurt they went 12-5 down the stretch.

He was scared to play in the playoffs because he knew how the Heat EXPOSED him in the regular season and he didn't want to hurt his "market value", lol

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121. "dude what are you arguing? you already took your L"
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Why are you still yapping.

As soon as you opened your trap about lin not being good enough to play, he got minutes. produced and became the starter.

As soon as you opened your trap about lin never dropping 20 again, he dropped 20, then hung 38 on LA and outplayed kobe.

He was starting when he got hurt. If he wasn't 'good enough' like you claimed, him not playing in the playoffs wouldn't be a topic, but he is, and that's why you brought it up.

Dude you looking flustered like romney right now.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/DebatePic2.jpg

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135. "lol, you're the flustered a crying about an irrelevant player on..."
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an irrelevant team

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153. "lol what?"
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1) that makes no sense
2) how is lin irrelevant to me when he was the best pg on my team last season, better question is how is he relevant to you, he doesn't play for the lakers and he's not black
3) YOU LOST. You admitted it already. I have no idea what you are trying to do now. It's been fun but i have survivor draft to prepare for.

Peace out Mitt.

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158. "lol, you're real emo about this shit huh fam? 15 regular season games"
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24. "lol did you say lin wouldn't score 20 again?"
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did he score 20 the next game?
did he drop 38 and 7, outplay kobe, and beat the lakers after?
did he drop 20 repeatedly through the season?
did you cop to the L Lin handed you already?


Thanks.

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55. "and he wouldnt have been the best player on the knicks"
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whether he resigned for 5 million or 15 million?

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26. "cmon."
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it's preseason and he's returning from injury. i've never been a huge believer in lin--always thought his defense was porous and his handle was questionable--but it's too early to declare him a bust. i think 14/7 with a poor fg% but lots of foul shots is a reasonable prediction.

  

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27. "Read the post....I am not declaring his a bust"
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I said I will not blast his pre-season.
I'm gonna watch him though, closely.

Matter of fact the dude ca't be a bust...No one expected him to be shit coming out of college. That's the definition of a bust. He can be overrated and overpaid. And I think everyone will agree on that. But I'm just watching all the 20 and 10 predictions fade into bolivian (c) Mike Tyson.

And the injury he's coming back from...C'MON!

He was supposedly at 85% to his own admission during the playoffs. Its been a good three months that's a fuck of a 15% if he ain't 100 by now!

  

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28. "who said 20 and 10? and he clarified his comments to say that"
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he was 85% from being able to play in the playoffs. Feel free to disagree if you want, but that is what he said he meant by that.

i believe i originally said 19 and 7 on low shooting and horrible records...i've come down to 17 and 7. lol. looking at that roster, I can't see where 10fgs each game will come from for lin to get 10 assists.

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29. "It wasn't you that said 20 & 10"
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I think you were the "light up the Garden" person. And I'll be coming for you on 12/17/12 if you were.

But whatever he meant by the 85% comment he should be 100 by now. Shit Shump might be 100% before Jeremy at this point.

  

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30. "if i said 20 and 10 it had to be his ceiling"
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i didn't expect those numbers in ny or any other team. i've been saying 19 & 7 in houston on and off the boards and i thought if he stayed here he'd be around 14 & 6 but with a much better shooting percentage.

I did say he'd light up the garden when he came back, but that rocket team is real ass juice and he may attempt to light us up, but it'll probably take a dream scenario for him to be able to. Knicks will def. focus on him like every other team in the league should.

Best case scenario for lin against ny is that the rockets shooters are hot and lin can rack up a bunch of dimes, but chandler, camby and em ain't gonna let lin feast in the paint at will.

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31. "I said it. And stand by it."
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in an offense like D'Antoni's w/ a high usage rate, could he have a season where he averaged 20-10? Sure. And he'd have to have A level talent around him.

However Houston is so in flux, who knows what the fuck will happen.

Jury's really out until Morey figures out what he's gonna do.

15-6? 14-7? 41-45% from the field?
Most teams would take that from a 23 year old first full season pg.

  

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33. "WOW That's some serious bullshit you just spit!!"
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>in an offense like D'Antoni's w/ a high usage rate, could he
>have a season where he averaged 20-10? Sure. And he'd have to
>have A level talent around him.
>
>However Houston is so in flux, who knows what the fuck will
>happen.

BULLSHIT GO BACK AND READ THE POST. That's not what u was spitting then.

>Jury's really out until Morey figures out what he's gonna do.
>
>15-6? 14-7? 41-45% from the field?
>Most teams would take that from a 23 year old first full
>season pg.

More Bullshit...When taking into account the whole debate was how much they paid for him.
You maybe would take that out of your rookie PG, but when he signs a 25.1 mill contract, and is gonna be getting Durant money in year 3, and the same money as Kyrie Irving in years one and 2. That's not the numbers / impact you signed up for.

  

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34. "my argument was always year 3 doesn't matter b/c he'll be expiring"
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and if you want to move him, you can.

first 2 years at 5 per is a good deal.

Dolan didn't do it b/c of the luxury tax penalties (and personal feelings), which have zero impact on the knicks ability to make future moves.


>More Bullshit...When taking into account the whole debate was how much they paid for him.
You maybe would take that out of your rookie PG, but when he signs a 25.1 mill contract, and is gonna be getting Durant money in year 3, and the same money as Kyrie Irving in years one and 2. That's not the numbers / impact you signed up for.

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42. "RE: WOW That's some serious bullshit you just spit!!"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2000782&mesg_id=2000782&page=#2004701

his ceiling is 20-10 pg.

that's the ceiling.

his ground?

14-16, 6-8 apg.

basement

Flip Murray/Smush Parker.

had a spark when they started but now they're just garbage.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2000782&mesg_id=2000782&page=#2004704

and Lin can score the basketball. so I accounted for that.
and he's got no shortage of options to pass to. so I accounted for that.

ceiling. OPTIMAL. 20-10.

want to explain to me how those two posts differ from this?:


in an offense like D'Antoni's w/ a high usage rate, could he have a season where he averaged 20-10? Sure. And he'd have to have A level talent around him.

15-6? 14-7? 41-45% from the field?

the earlier estimations of what he could do, were predicated on him staying with the Knicks, having A level talent around him, and Woodson being mindful that keeping components of what made Lin successful in D'Antoni's offense would be in the team's best interest, as opposed to scrapping it entirely and asking him to learn a whole new system.

I had to adjust it for him not being back with the knicks, and being on a 35 win team with 6-8 guys with less than 3 years NBA experience.

Now, since you're a salary cap expert, I'm sure you're aware that the deal with the knicks would have been 5, 5, 14.5 on their books, and will appear as 8.3 per year on Houston's books.

Mike Conley, a #4 pick, has has averaged 12&5.3 (age 22) 13.7&6.5,(23) and 12.7&6.5(24)

And he makes 9 million a year.

Don't use Kyrie in your 5 million a year argument. Use Ramon Sessions.
Don't use Kevin Durant for your 14.5 million argument, use the salary cap # and Mike Conley.

I spent way too much time on that. This'll be the last time I take anything you say that serious.







  

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61. "You can tell mf's that don't know shit about ball throwing out random..."
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ass stats like "Lebron is going to avg a triple double" or "Lin can do 20&10" like it's that easy.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest passers AND shooters in NBA history and he never averaged 20&10 for a season playing in that SAME D'Antoni offense so what makes you think Lin could do it?

There's only been like twenty 20&10 seasons in NBA history by 7 people:

Oscar has 5
Zeke has 4
Magic has 3
KJ has 3
Tim Hardaway has 2
CP3 has 2
Tiny has 1

"that's it, that's the list!" -Tony K.

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75. "I don't know shit about ball. coming from ThaTruth. noted."
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>ass stats like "Lebron is going to avg a triple double" or
>"Lin can do 20&10" like it's that easy.

cause when I said OPTIMAL and CEILING I meant EASY.

>Steve Nash is one of the greatest passers AND shooters in NBA
>history and he never averaged 20&10 for a season playing in
>that SAME D'Antoni offense so what makes you think Lin could
>do it?

And Steve Nash though he can shoot, and pass, doesn't have the scoring instinct and ability to get to the rim Lin does.

and again, my comprehension addled compadre, I spoke to his CEILING, which would owe not only to his ability, but the ability of the front office to provide the situations right for that to happen.

but you typed, so you must be right.
cool.


  

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87. "Steve Nash career 50, 40, 90 guys is not as good a scorer as Lin..."
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a career 43, 31 and 79 guy?

okayplayer.

just for shits and grins, what is this mythical, magical "situation" afront office would have to put around Lin for him to average those numbers for a season?

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88. "sigh. stockton is 51, 38, and 83."
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do we look at him like a scorer?
note I said...wait for it... scoring INSTINCT.
lemme define instinct: a natural impulse or capacity for something
this thing, you do with numbers, to cement arguments w/o context.
please stop.

A pnr big man. All he needs to do is set good screens roll hard, and catch well.Like Biedrins before he fell off a cliff.

Nash's pnr is predicated that he's a lethal shooter.
Lin's pnr is predicated on him getting into the lane.

3 pt shooters to keep the defense honest.

  

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91. "nobody's talking about Stockton, we're talking about Steve Nash..."
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one of the best pick and role players in the league today. He's a master at forcing the switch and getting the big man in an iso situation, if they lay off, he can pop the J, if they try to play him on the perimeter, he can get to the basket and lay it in. It doesn't get more complete than that.

Jeremy Lin is not seeing Steve Nash in ANY facet of the game.

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89. "lol Jeremy Lin has thaTruth defending Nash? awesome"
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102. "RE: lol Jeremy Lin has thaTruth defending Nash? awesome"
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http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/fe/6f/fe6fc44e838fc8675eecdef76b1f3308.jpg

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104. "can't wait for when the Lakers come after Lin again, lol"
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110. "By the time Nash retires Lin will be starring in the CBA"
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123. "that doesnt even make sense"
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nm

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124. "did you see who said it?"
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139. "Guy Aoki, former president of the Asian anti-defamation league?"
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I was not aware that this one of ThaTruth's agendas.

I have always been of the mind that Lin will settle comfortably into a career as a guard in a team's eight-man rotation. I haven't changed my mind because he has stunk up the preseason on a team with less size than an above-average JV squad.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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154. "lol i think his agenda is just to rack up L's "
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76. "oh i agree."
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RE: You can tell mf's that don't know shit about ball throwing out random...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1910985&mesg_id=1910985&listing_type=search#1913745

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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77. "lmao damn"
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that yielded two mad ass responses
well done

edit: 3 mad ass responses

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78. "your football season is over and your center has shiity knees."
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35. "how is he overpaid?"
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$5M for this season and next is reasonable for a young starting PG who had flashes of greatness and is a major draw for fans and media. the third year is the killer, but at that point he can likely be moved as an expiring contract.

  

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36. "Guiness...Cenario...we'll revisit overpaid during the season OK?"
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We'll make a list of PG's earning less or similar with better numbers / impact OK?
And we'll only discuss the first year of 5mill.


And I do not know how many times I have to say this, you do not sign up to pay a guy 14 mill, while you have in the back of your mind how your gonna get OUT of paying a guy 14 mill.
You do not enter a marriage thinking about how you're gonna get out of it.

Remember how long and hard it was to move Eddy Curry during his expiring year.

  

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37. "Why do you care how much money lin gets paid?"
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We don't have any more financial flexibility without Lin. We're over the cap wit melo, tyson and amare.

you ever heard of a prenup?

and if we get 'stuck' with lin in year 3, thats fine because he comes off anyway. Only way we'll have financial flexibility going into year 3 is if we shed 2 out of our 3 big contracts (melo, tyson, amare) before their last year

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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65. "yeah you avoiding this post like crazy.lol"
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79. "See post #38...jeez"
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See the NY Knicks offseason post.

I'm so fucking tired of answering this question for you its shame.
You obviously don't get it so I ignore you.

Please feel free to ignore me and we can all be happy.

  

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81. "no, what you don't understand is the salary cap."
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b/c you can't respond to this.

>We don't have any more financial flexibility without Lin. We're over the cap wit melo, tyson and amare.

the only thing you can say is cenario, you are right. All those guys you mentioned in post 38 we can't sign cause we are over the cap.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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68. "$5M is peanuts for a starting PG."
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unless it's someone on a rookie contract, they all make around that much. ridour, barea, blake, sessions, etc all make $4-5M a season and aren't even starters.

we'll see what happens with the $15M in the third year -- but lin's contract is different than if he made the $8.3M average every year.

  

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80. "What if I can get one for 3, that'll be better?"
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Cause that's what I believe we did.
We'll revisit during the season and see who's right.

And the fact that the rookie contract guys are on rookie contracts does not mean that Jeremy making the same money is not overpaid.

Let's stick to the argument. Jeremy is not worth the contract he got. In the NY Knicks offseason post I was saying it was hesitantly OK to sign him for 5 when the third year wasn't gonna be 14.

But once that 14 year final year was incLuded it made the contract the DUMBEST FUCKING NBA CONTRACT PROBABLY OF ALL TIME.

  

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84. "the money we 'saved' on jeremy lin was not used on the other pgs"
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it wasn't a one or the other situation.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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93. "I really wanna ignore you, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID IT DID"
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God you're a fucking idiot.

So you want the team to spend money o a lower tier PG just because they can?

I don't want the team to overpay for lower quality talent.

We could have gotten Ray Felton at the time for less money, and we did, and I ws happy.

NOW PLEASE JUST DO NOT EVER EVER EVER RESPOND TO ANYTHING I SAY.

  

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98. "and we could have still added lin after we got felton and kidd too"
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in all your arguments to fail to explain why signing lin was bad, except that you save dolan a lot of money. How does that make the knicks better?

when you can explain that, I will leave you alone. Until then, i will continue to make you look stupid.

It should tell you something when the only people cosigning you are truth and spm.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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146. "dude is SUPER-CONCERNED about dolan's pockets."
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i'm sure the feeling is mutual.

  

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155. "yeah i don't get it."
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lol @ i'm sure the feeling is mutual.

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38. "List of PGs making less or similar to Lin."
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R. Felton
Jrue
Kyle Lowry
Kirk H.
Kyrie
W. Bynum (u can call him a 2 if you want)
DJ Augustine
B. Jennings
Teague (is he starting out there?)
Sessions
Chalmers
Collison
Lawson
Roy & Rubio
Whoever the fuck is in Utah
Steph Curry
K. Marshall
Tyreke.

Still think Lin's not overpaid?
Still think my team should have matched?
And that's not even counting the third 14 mill year.

Because my only point all fucking offseason long was Lin is not worth the money it would take to retain him.

  

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39. "lol you just wasted alot of time looking that up"
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40. "I work from home I have time."
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46. "Im actually fine with that list to bring up later"
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As long as he takes out cats on their rookie contracts. Putting in Rookie contracts continues the trend of subjcmatter showing he knows very little about the financial structures in place in the NBA wage scale.

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47. "comparing him to other pgs at similiar salaries is fine in general"
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and if you want to discuss it from Houston's pov, but it has no bearing on the knicks situation.

and yes on the kyrie point, but we already know he doesn't grasp how that works.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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60. "I'm just stating facts"
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No matter how you slice it, Kyrie being on a rookie deal or not.

Right now they make similar money.
PERIOD. FACT.
DON'T LET MY FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR POINT.

And in three years when Kyrie finally gets his raise...Jeremy Lin will be making double what Kyrie makes.

  

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64. "what are you talking about? kyrie will be around 10mil in 3 yrs"
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82. "NO, IT'LL BE 7"
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85. "you meant in the 3rd year of lin's deal?"
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i thought you were saying 3 years from now.

so using your logic is kidd worth 4 mil compared to kyrie's 5.5 this season?

what about amare 19.5 compared to cousins, jimmer, Robinson, Tyreke and you still got 3million change left over?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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69. "that's so fucking stupid."
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you want to compare carmelo's $20M a year to james harden's $5.8?

  

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41. "Hes there to market and sell jerseys"
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That move had nothing to do with basketball
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43. "Jersey sales are collective bargained"
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ie: Every team gets the same amount of money from jersey sales as every other team. No matter what.

So try another one. And as for marketing...try marketing a guy that can't play and is overpaid now, never mind in the third year.

  

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45. "Why do you think Volvo signed Lin to an endorsement deal? "
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Want to make sure you are up on your multinationals.

  

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49. "Good for Lin. What does that have to do with NBA teams?"
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Unless the point you're trying to make is that the Rockets signed Lin to 25.1 million dollar contract so that he could get himself a contract with Volvo due to his marketability.

  

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51. "Who owns the Rockets? What else does he own? "
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Who else do they invest in? Who owns Volvo now?

You're thinking checkers. This shit is global chess. Or Chinese checkers...

  

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52. "lol nice."
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>
>You're thinking checkers. This shit is global chess. Or
>Chinese checkers...

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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58. "Meanwhile, Carmelo is investing in coconut water. "
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54. "U think asians give a fuk if hes a scrub at this point?"
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Tebow is a scrub and people still want his jersey

And jersey sales goes along with marketing

more people are going to be wearing rocket jerseys which means theyre going to be buying other merchandise most likely
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59. "see: Yi Jianlin"
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> And as for marketing...try marketing a guy
>that can't play and is overpaid now, never mind in the third
>year.


his draft beef was predicated on the idea that: being Chinese + starter minutes == PROFIT!!!!!

see how that worked out

of course Lin has the benefit of Linsanity occurring
where as the world knew Yi was ass from day 1
but how long is that going last if he doesn't perform?
i don't live in NYC or Houston but from what i could tell there was hardly any buzz during the summer for dude
between the Olympics and dwight howard no one really gave two shits about dude
it's not a given he's going pick up where he left off buzz wise
especially if his performances are *average* at best

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92. "i love handing subjctmatter L's"
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http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/20...#ixzz29SZHYDXJ

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94. "Feel free to do so."
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53. "cool, because my Knicks Still Suck Watch been on since 2008"
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and i will match the Lin Watch post for post this season.

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97. "Unfortunately I think Zeke mighta told dumbass Dolan to let Lin walk"
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:(

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113. "nah, we not playing that game"
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isiah thomas has not been an employee of the knicks for nearly 5 years...they continue to be a mediocre franchise.

they are the knicks.

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62. "FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHIT IN THIS POST"
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Bottom line

I will be watching dudes regular season numbers and impact, and responding accordingly.

We'll see how good a PG he is, and if he's worth the money on the court that he got.
Bottom fucking line. Fuck all that other plea copping going on in here!

  

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67. "If you think he got paid only for his basketball ability, you're an idio..."
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and evaluating that contract based purely on playing Bobby Boxscore is about as small-minded as it gets.


But hey, set the parameters...

  

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71. "I guess Darren Rovell is an idiot too then..LISTEN UP"
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http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8176251

I understand that Houston did part of this for off the court, but people said the Knicks needed to match. Which just flat out is bullshit.

  

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72. "LOL"
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74. "Guess what: He is. "
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http://deadspin.com/5916245?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow



  

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83. "Kyrie is about 5/48 in the pre season as well, means nothing."
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90. "thatruth and subjctmatter are the types of dudes"
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where if jeremy lin avgs 18 and 8 theyll still try and claim their W cause it wasnt quite 20 and 10.

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100. "what are you talking about. Tha truth is winning right now!"
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18 and 8 would be icing on his W cake.

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169. "If he ever averages 18&8 for a season I will quit OKS"
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________________________________________
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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95. "This Post is Hilarious "
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I was fine with the Knicks not matching because you can't justify that third year no matter how you slice it. As much screaming as us Knicks fans do to exercise fiscal restraint, when we do people still get mad
Now, that out of the way I wish we kept him but not for that $...glad he got his $ and his chance

Realistic expectations for me is 16ppg 6-7apg. I don't know how well he'll play in McHale's offense but he's talented enough to get that.

The two major things I'm looking at from him is his turnovers (which he might get a lot of given Houston 's talent) and his defended. Asik might give him some help at the rim but he can't get blown by like he was in NY (and some of that I blame on D'Antoni...lol).

Not expecting him to shoot too well unless the rookies really play well, but 42-43% is reasonable

Overall record for a good Lin campaign: 26 to 30 wins

Abdul Jabbar, Muggsy Malone you
I don't know what that means but you know what I meant when I told you (c) Sean Price

  

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96. ""I respect that" (c) Rawse"
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Might not be right at the end of the day but at least it isnt an emo response


>I was fine with the Knicks not matching because you can't
>justify that third year no matter how you slice it. As much
>screaming as us Knicks fans do to exercise fiscal restraint,
>when we do people still get mad
>Now, that out of the way I wish we kept him but not for that
>$...glad he got his $ and his chance
>
>Realistic expectations for me is 16ppg 6-7apg. I don't know
>how well he'll play in McHale's offense but he's talented
>enough to get that.
>
>The two major things I'm looking at from him is his turnovers
>(which he might get a lot of given Houston 's talent) and his
>defended. Asik might give him some help at the rim but he
>can't get blown by like he was in NY (and some of that I blame
>on D'Antoni...lol).
>
>Not expecting him to shoot too well unless the rookies really
>play well, but 42-43% is reasonable
>
>Overall record for a good Lin campaign: 26 to 30 wins

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99. "26 to 30 wins for the rockets wit lin doing his thang...i'm good lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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101. "COMMON SENSE...HALLELUJAH"
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>I was fine with the Knicks not matching because you can't
>justify that third year no matter how you slice it. As much
>screaming as us Knicks fans do to exercise fiscal restraint,
>when we do people still get mad

Assholes like Cenario dieing for us to sign a stupid contract, with his rationale being, "we had the space to do it"

>Now, that out of the way I wish we kept him but not for that
>$

That's all I've been saying all off season.

>Realistic expectations for me is 16ppg 6-7apg. I don't know
>how well he'll play in McHale's offense but he's talented
>enough to get that.


I think less, but this is more realistic than most in this post.

  

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103. "lol this is the biggest bullshit"
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>
>That's all I've been saying all off season.

You didnt want him all along admit it. When the original deal came aloing before the poison pill, you reluctantly were like, ok thats cool, ill take it. But youve never thought he was that talented.


>
>>Realistic expectations for me is 16ppg 6-7apg. I don't know
>>how well he'll play in McHale's offense but he's talented
>>enough to get that.
>
>
>I think less, but this is more realistic than most in this
>post.

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105. "dude didn't like lin during linsanity..was so proud to say he was not"
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linsane, when if it wasn't for lin we likely don't make the playoffs.

Dude doesn't understand the salary cap, don't know how he can have an opinion on signing someone, when he doesn't understand the cap.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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107. "Yes we could have, my point is WE SHOULDN'T HAVE."
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>Dude doesn't understand the salary cap, don't know how he can
>have an opinion on signing someone, when he doesn't understand
>the cap.

Figure that out then I will respect you opinion. I don't think he was worth the money. Why agree to a bad contract simply because the salary cap says we can? THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

  

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109. "sign him b.c he can play pg for the knicks. he did it last year and"
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we won while he was out there.

Now explain to me how signing lin hurts us.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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126. "RE: Yes we could have, my point is WE SHOULDN'T HAVE."
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damn
and i quote "sign him b.c he can play pg for the knicks"
you can't make that level of dumb up

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108. "This is a surprisingly good agenda. Will be reading. "
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- People mad on all sides

- A little bit of 'cism in there

Solid work, bro(s)

  

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116. "agreed"
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I'm on the verge of having all my sports teams from College to the NFL being lost causes, so it's time to cruise the agendas.

this Knicks/Lin shit got everyone involved.

  

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161. "it's revived basketball talk"
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we don't have many young player oriented agendas right now. basa's kyrie agenda, some residual KLove stuff, a LaMarcus Aldridge beef. none of that's really inspiring good posts like this one right now.

this lin stuff tho, this is gold--if only because the mix of 'cism and NY fans disagreeing with each other is different.

bynum in philly could get interesting, too. but, bottomline, this post is a lot of fun and promises to continue to be so.

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162. "'cism"
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>we don't have many young player oriented agendas right now

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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175. "LOL"
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>this lin stuff tho, this is gold--if only because the mix of
>'cism and NY fans disagreeing with each other is different.

Absolutely. It's almost like watching an Eagles post from the outside

  

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122. "Lol truth losing all integrity for you dudes that want to see lin fail"
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dude said lin ain't help the knicks win last year!!!

bwwahahahahaaha

like c'mon dude. you that desperate?

Shawn already put ya'll on blast that no matter what lin does this year, ya'll gon say something cause we knoooow that roster sucks and there is like <1% chance rox win 30+ games.

but, this dude going back to last year saying lin ain't help them win.

WHAAAT?

WE ALL saw those games (boxscores in your case). Who are you trying to fool?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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125. "Subjctmatter do you win if Lin has a line like tonight?"
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Not commenting on this game specifically but lets say he gets a game like this in the regular season? I can see you saying you get a W cause he only scored 7 pts and shot 40%

7pts, 5rebs , 12 assists, 4 steals, 1 turnover and a W a


I can see his lines looking a lot more like this the way this offense is going. Played a good game but doesnt seem to have the aggressiveness on offense that i really loved about him.

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127. "Let's say this...."
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>Not commenting on this game specifically but lets say he gets
>a game like this in the regular season? I can see you saying
>you get a W cause he only scored 7 pts and shot 40%
>
>7pts, 5rebs , 12 assists, 4 steals, 1 turnover and a W a
>
>I can see his lines looking a lot more like this the way this
>offense is going. Played a good game but doesnt seem to have
>the aggressiveness on offense that i really loved about him.

I would say this is a decent little line. I mean it ain't worth 25.1 million, and the Knicks, the Rockets or any other team could've got that type of line out of someone else. But I won't frown at 12 dimes 1 turnover and a win out of my point guard.

But I believe the Knicks could get that type of production out of Ray Felton. And therefore it makes more sense to sign Ray since he came cheaper.

But I don't believe that we can honestly look this on a game by game basis, except the 12/17/12 game where he's supposed to light up the Garden, that game I'm going HAM up in this bitch!

We're going to have to look at averages, impact on games, and if a team (the Rockets or The Knicks) could have got his type of production without staring down the barrel of a 14 million dollar gun in 2 more years.

  

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130. "you're a fucking idiot."
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if lin averaged 7 points, 12 assists, 5 boards, 4 steals and 1 turnover a game, he would be the best PG in the NBA. that's not even debatable.

so i can't figure out what's worse:

- that you think the best PG in the NBA wouldn't be worth $8M a year
- that you still don't understand that lin makes $5M for this season
- that you're still talking about money, even though lin's contract meant nothing money-wise to dolan or their future cap space

seriously, get the FOH. you're the worst.

  

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132. "damn stat boy Morey signing a check for $25mil got you INVESTED"
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lol
OE right this agenda got all kinda angles, should be good regardless if jeremy is

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136. "lol"
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i've never been a huge believer in lin - but i can't stand these moronic knicks fans who babble about his contract while fundamentally misunderstanding anything about the team's finances or the salary cap.

the knicks, a franchise with one of the bigger TV contracts in sports, let a 24-year PG walk for no reason whatsoever and got nothing back. that's just stupid as shit.

  

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151. "Reading really is fundamental...."
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>if lin averaged 7 points, 12 assists, 5 boards, 4 steals and
>1 turnover a game, he would be the best PG in the NBA. that's
>not even debatable.

WHERE THE FUCK DID ANYONE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LIN AVERAGING THESE TYPE OF NUMBERS??

READ IDIOT READ!!!

  

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159. "LOL!"
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"I would say this is a decent little line. I mean it ain't worth 25.1 million"

  

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160. "lol guess he meant that one game ain't worth 25 mil"
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170. "If he averages 12 assists per game I'll quit OKS."
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________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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140. "I agree wit this"
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but this is OKP, and you started this game by game shit. I didnt.
Like I just said to SPM, im cool just sitting back and watching 82 games and making an analysis after that instead of game by game. Hell I prefer it. But you wanna talk shit after a bad preseason game, and then fall the fuck back when he has a good one. Doesnt work like that on these boards.


Guiness already addressed the rest of your shit.
>
>We're going to have to look at averages, impact on games, and
>if a team (the Rockets or The Knicks) could have got his type
>of production without staring down the barrel of a 14 million
>dollar gun in 2 more years.
>

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152. "Oh my God...does not one read on OKP???"
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>but this is OKP, and you started this game by game shit. I
>didnt.
>Like I just said to SPM, im cool just sitting back and
>watching 82 games and making an analysis after that instead of
>game by game. Hell I prefer it. But you wanna talk shit after
>a bad preseason game, and then fall the fuck back when he has
>a good one. Doesnt work like that on these boards.


I said in the header of this post, I WILL NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THE PRE-SEASON, BUT I WILL BE WATCHING ALL SEASON.

GO BACK AND READ THE FUCKING TITLE POST!!!

You sir asked me, "what if Lin has a line like this" That was YOU talking about an individual pre-season game, not me!

  

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128. "the fact you and cenario are dug in a foxhole on the defensive means"
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means he already won
it's a reason why the majority of ppl who were in those linsanity threads are GHOST in these recent threads
shit is so apparent even you are saying:

>I can see his lines looking a lot more like this the way this
>offense is going.


12 assists is good
but the rest of that shit is MEH and what "lin haters" were predicting
if yall think lin is as good as yall proclaimed during linsanity then sit back with ur hands behind ur head as he proves it
season is 82 games long and yall making adjustments & conceding shit before it even starts

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131. "read my response above. "
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are we now in some imaginary world where 7 points, 5 rebs, 12 assists, 4 steals with only 1 turnover isn't an excellent game for a PG? he would basically be rondo, except with FOUR TIMES LESS TURNOVERS AND THREE TIMES MORE STEALS.

WTF IS GOING ON IN THIS POST

  

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133. "is 4 pts 1 ast 1 rebounds 1 steal and 2 TO an excellent game for a PG?"
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we said the 12 assists were good
but the assists and steals from this game are obvious outliers
so what's the point of the hypothetical
to distract from his trend of poor shooting over the last 15-20 games?

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134. "wait, what?"
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you're talking about "outliers" now, while criticizing dude for shooting poorly in four preseason games coming off of a knee injury?

LOL

look, if lin duplicated his performance from tonight, he'd be the best PG in basketball by a wide margin. he'd lead the NBA in assists, steals and protect the ball TWICE as well as CP3, who does it better than anyone else at a 6:1 assist to turnover ratio.

he had a good game. period.

just say he played well, move on, and re-up this post when he coughs up 7 turnovers next time out.

  

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137. "RE: wait, what?"
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>you're talking about "outliers" now, while criticizing dude
>for shooting poorly in four preseason games coming off of a
>knee injury?
>

"his trend of poor shooting over the last 15-20 games?" (c) #133
and lol @ "coming off knee injury"
that one is building steam, yall should keep saying it





>
>look, if lin duplicated his performance from tonight, he'd be
>the best PG in basketball by a wide margin.

he had a good game. 12 assists and 4 steals is absolutely fabulous
not sure how the 7 pts on 40% shooting would factor into things but yea that would either be the best PG in the NBA
or jason kidd 2-3 yrs ago
depending on how u look at it
anyway the lin we know is a streaky scorer with ball security and defensive issues so i'm not sure why we are even arguing over this

extra points for squeezing the chris paul endorsement in there tho

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141. "RE: wait, what?"
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>anyway the lin we know is a streaky scorer with ball security
>and defensive issues so i'm not sure why we are even arguing
>over this
>

Ay, I think think this sounds a lot like someBODY we know and love.

We know where youve drawn your line in the sand for this agenda now. Dont go trying to clown the Knicks fans on the board for letting him go when Lin is playing well.

His Last 15-20 games statistically were fan and would still make him a top pg in the league.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin

16,6, and 3 with 3.8 turnoves the last month. You factor in the 7 games before that and hed be at like 17.5, 7, 3.5 with 5 turnovers. Not great but statistically he'd be in the top 10 pgs.

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148. "RE: wait, what?"
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>Ay, I think think this sounds a lot like someBODY we know and
>love.
>

26 and 6 would basically be linsanity again
lin's ceiling is more of a brandon jennings type pg that can go crazy and score big every couple of games
but mostly just goes 5-12 and frustrates you all the other games



16 and 6 for a season would be good for lin
jrue holiday and mike conley will prolly put something like that up this season
that's worth $25 million for a young player imo
so the worst stretch of games for him over the 25 game sample being the baseline should be pretty fair AND justify his salary




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143. "the last 20 games isn't a small sample size?"
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fine. let's exclude the meaningless pre-season, where is he actually is, you know, playing NBA-level ball for the first time since a knee injury.

he's shot 104-246 from the floor in his last 20 real games. that's 42%. and excluding that afternoon where the heat destroyed him, it was closer to 44%. during that period, lin improved his free throws from 75% to 85% and maintained the same 3pt%. all things considered, he was about as efficient during the last 20 games as he was for most of the season.

i'm not even bigging dude up here, just pointing out how sleazy some knicks fans are for being anti-lin and lying about the financial ramifications of matching that contract. especially when lin is making $5M this year and the cap-gobbling monster melomar'e is eating up $40M. i also firmly believe that if the kid wasn't asian, there wouldn't be this odd hostility and desire to see him "outted" as overrated.




  

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163. "ain't my fault his college and pre knicks career was irrelevant as fuck"
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otherwise we could include those games like we do with other young players
20-25 games or whatever it was is what we have to work with
yall using that sample size to says he's good so......

>fine. let's exclude the meaningless pre-season, where is he
>actually is, you know, playing NBA-level ball for the first
>time since a knee injury.
>

well he just had a "best PG in the league" type game according to you
is his knee all better now?
steven a said he was ready to go in the playoffs
so all summer and this preseason ....is that enough time for him to come back from the knee injury
how much time yall need? let me know

>he's shot 104-246 from the floor in his last 20 real games.
>that's 42%. and excluding that afternoon where the heat
>destroyed him, it was closer to 44%. during that period, lin
>improved his free throws from 75% to 85% and maintained the
>same 3pt%. all things considered, he was about as efficient
>during the last 20 games as he was for most of the season.
>



actually it's a concession from me , since my problem was how they were hyping him during the GOOD period of linsanity.....but i said 16 and 6 for him would be *fine*
if dude can't replicate that then he really is who we think he is and it's really no way to spin it

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165. "who's we and what exactly do you think he is"
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b/c truth thinks he doesn't belong in the nba. is that your stance too?

lol @ 16 and 6 being fine... so basically you saying he needs to be in the top 3rd of starting pgs in the league for him to be *fine*.

lol
>
>
>actually it's a concession from me , since my problem was how
>they were hyping him during the GOOD period of
>linsanity.....but i said 16 and 6 for him would be *fine*
>if dude can't replicate that then he really is who we think he
>is and it's really no way to spin it
>
>

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166. "16 and 6"
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how do you quote a reply and still try to straw man the argument?

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168. "lol, 16 and 8 was a typo, so if he doesn't do 16 and 6 then he's"
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what you thought he was, which is what?

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171. "oh you want a specific word so we can get into a back and forth over"
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semantics?

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172. "i'm just trying to understand what you think he is"
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tha truth feels like he doesn't belong in the league
subjctmattr's stance is that felton will be better (i think)
mine is that he's an above average starting caliber pg

what's yours?

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177. "lol, that's all he ever wants to do"
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>semantics?
>

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no matter what goes on SPM is going to to shit on lin

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144. "i give him the benefit of the doubt."
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yung SPM is one of the few who understand the magic of the GOAT, so i know there's grand intelligence lurking somewhere behind that furrowed brow.

  

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167. "i'm following that Philly GD thread....don't give too much info"
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might pop up and troll u in person

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138. " lol i didnt make this post"
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>means he already won
>it's a reason why the majority of ppl who were in those
>linsanity threads are GHOST in these recent threads

name em. who? He's never had a huge fan base on these boards. Topics about Lin just get a bunch of replies. Maybe its that sharing the same Bday as Kobe factor


>shit is so apparent even you are saying:
>
>>I can see his lines looking a lot more like this the way
>this
>>offense is going.
>

LOL really? Im Lins biggest fan on here but you can go back and look at posts. I dont really make stat projections. Part of the reason I dont is because I know the NBA--you really have to see how a guy fits with certain teams and within certain systems. This was far from a plea cop. Like Guiness said, this is a hell of a line. All Im saying is that I can see him averaging more assists, less turnovers, and less points. That is far from a plea cop or back pedal or whatever you want to call it.


>
>12 assists is good
>but the rest of that shit is MEH and what "lin haters" were
>predicting
>if yall think lin is as good as yall proclaimed during
>linsanity then sit back with ur hands behind ur head as he
>proves it
>season is 82 games long and yall making adjustments &
>conceding shit before it even starts

lol the rest of that shit is MEH. Guiness already sat your ass down on his lap and explained that shit to you. Im fine waiting 82 games to make an analysis. Really I am. Id love to sit back and just enjoy the ride without every game being upped. But look who made this post as a reaction to a bad preseason game? Thought I wasnt gonna respond? Sorry.

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129. "Lin's still recovering from his injury & getting in shape"
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>I can see his lines looking a lot more like this the way this
>offense is going. Played a good game but doesnt seem to have
>the aggressiveness on offense that i really loved about him.

right now, Jeremy needs to build chemistry. he does his best scoring in tightly contested games.
so, I expect him to have several games of 20+ during the season, but
to average 12-14 because Kevin Martin and Parsons will be gunnin

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150. "the rox are gonna be okay."
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not a playoff team, but 36-40 wins seems possible. their three first-round picks could contribute (terrence jones has looked the best out of them so far) and guys like lin, parsons, patterson and asik all have upside. kevin martin had a down year in 2011-2012 and should return to being one of the league's more efficient scoring guards.

i don't think houston will be *good* per se, but there's a major difference between them and a franchise like charlotte. plus there's a good chance morey swings some of those assets--young talent, lottery picks, cap space--for a quality player over the course of the season.

  

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145. "why you guys respond to subjectmtrr or SPM seriously is beyond my unders..."
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I think you guys just like to argue.


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149. "http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/1/23/128772176292004320.jpg"
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http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/1/23/128772176292004320.jpg

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147. "LMAO. Loser of this thread at the end of the season has to buy and wear ..."
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156. "Script flip: what's a "good" season for the Knicks this year?"
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Making the playoffs as a low seed and out the first round again?

  

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157. "good question"
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At Worst, we need 50 wins and to advance to the 2nd round legitimately(not like philly last year)

Anything less is a failure imo.

i don't even want to hear about injuries cause we signed a bunch of 40year olds. I expect us to have injury issues all season.

and that's bare minimum, a good season would be mid 50s in wins and an ecf appearance.

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164. "winning a playoff series will be enough, BUT ECF should be the goal"
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and challenging Miami in that series even if they lose

  

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174. "be better than the Nets"
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if they can't hold down their own city, they can't be a factor in the conference. The Nets are the litmus.

  

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176. "not having isiah around is the basis for a "good" season for many"
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they going out not later than the 2nd and people gonna be happy and say they done come a long way since zeke.

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178. "treading water and focusing on agendas that don't matter: Knicks"
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Not that Lin would have put them over that mythical hump that would make the Knicks really matter, but focusing on his contract and thinking that it somehow is a Knicks victory in itself that they aren't tied to it is the essence of distraction and diversion from their own perpetual train-wrecks called Dolan.

  

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179. "lol i'm still waiting for someone to explain the benefit we've gained"
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by letting him walk.

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180. "Without Lin, Knicks lose 3-4 more games, finish 8th,"
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beat Rose-less Bulls instead of Philly, go to second round.

PROGRESS!

  

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181. "lol smh"
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182. "For your reading pleasure"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/five-signs-jeremy-lin-forgettable-season-fan-210600169--nba.html

  

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183. "10 GAMES IN....10 AND 7"
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Dude is averaging 10 and 7
(a far cry from the 20 and 10 that was suggested)
shooting 34% from the field, in 34 minutes of play

The Rockets records is 4-6 largely in part to great play from Harden.

Ray Felton is 15 and 6, and the Knicks records in 7-1.
shooting 42% from the field in 32 minutes.

The Knicks are 7-1
To be fair, largely in part to the play of Melo.

Why am I comparing Lin to Felton? Because all last season I said that Lin's ceiling was Ray Felton.

Ray is purely and utterly playing better than Lin. I won't say Lin is doing terrible, but I'm sure there are people in Houston looking ahead thinking to themselves...ummm in two years were gonna be paying this guy 14 million. How the hell do we get out of that?

At this point Lin is a decent little point guard on a bad team. Right now he's Jose Calderone, oops, Calderon averages 8 assists.

THE WATCH WILL CONTINUE!!

  

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184. "dude is sorry."
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based strictly on watching the game last night

dude has a couple of guys that can fill it up

in Harden and Parsons

yet this fool continues to drive the ball into the paint and get lost amongst the trees

I don't think he knows how to play point guard

he should be kicking to either one of those guys as soon as he's in the halfcourt

they have some real pieces in HOU

somebody should tell Lin

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185. "..."
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188. "fuck are we supposed to do with this?"
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>dude is sorry.
>based strictly on watching the game last night

  

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206. "he did the whole Linsanity thing last year"
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and then when it was time to function within an offense

he couldn't do it

dude is straight if he can come in the game and just do whatever the fuck he wants

with no expectations

but when there are actual weapons

and it's his job to utilize those weapons

he can't do it

HOU is better off letting Harden run the point

and sitting Lin down somewhere

or amnestying him before he's making $14mil in a couple of years

based off of watching him last year and now with HOU (happy)

I don't see a starting PG for a winning franchise.

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212. "that's obviously not true."
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lin is averaging 9.2 assists and 3.5 TOs per 48 minutes. that's slightly better than the average NBA PG. LOL @ you watching the lakers game and making definitive statements about what possession he should play.

  

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261. "name names, who has similar stats and is a starting PG for a winning"
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team


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186. "NO."
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>The Knicks are 7-1
>To be fair, largely in part to the play of Melo.

stop this idiotic propaganda.

  

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211. "I can't wait to hear what part of that you disagree with"
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>>The Knicks are 7-1
>>To be fair, largely in part to the play of Melo.
>
>stop this idiotic propaganda.

The Fact that the Knicks are 7-1?
or that their record is due largely in part to Melo?

  

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283. "STILL WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THIS GUINESS!!!"
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217. "i see this..but i'm not doing lin vs. felton wit knick fans until"
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after the season. Felton is in shape and motivated so he's definitely good enough. don't need knicks vs. knicks arguments during the season especially when we doing so well.

i will say that your post is pretty accurate though.

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187. "I'm just here cause I don't want y'all cats"
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Saying I was ghost when I come back to "party in y'all" (c) basa.

I don't get into all that agenda back n forth chasing around arguing, not my style.

Ill admit his shooting is terrible right now--way worse than I imagined it would be. This is where I imagined it last year when I was talking about his shaky jumper. He just doesnt look confident taking it mow. as he misses more in a game he gets tht ...damn i dont wanna keep shooting to hurt myvteam but i should cause im open hesitation. However,
He's starting to get to the hole more and more and is working on that J. He's getting open looks And I'm confident he will start knocking em down and finishing. I was a lot more concerned a week ago when the coaching staff was using him as a glorified 2 and having him stand in the corner shooting. On the bright side every other aspect of his game has improved, including his turnovers and defense.

I'm happy to indulge in an intelligent conversation about it based on watching game action, but won't get it any agenda fueled drivel based on bobby box scoring.

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189. "He is what he is"
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190. "yes, an average PG."
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he's shooting poorly, but he's only taking ten shots a game. his assists/turnovers are *exactly* average for a PG. his rebounding is good, his steals have been great and he's making 90% of his FTs.

his scoring is disappointing, but his weakness in that area doesn't change the fact that he's doing other things well. this is not something i will debate with you.

  

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193. "he's a below average PG on a below average team, letting him walk..."
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is smartest thing Dolan ever did

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196. "You may disagree"
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But I think he's an average pg with upside. I'm fine with him being average now. You don't see me going crazy and trying to cyse him in top 10 pg convos. I know there are holes in his game, but there are also some strengths that he has in certain areas where he's in the top tier if pgs.

Things like scoring, shotmaking, jumpers historically have been more fixable by nba players than teaching guards to rebound, get steals, play hard, and push tempo...I'm sure some of this analysis you hate because its more anecdotal that statistical but that's where I stand.


There's a couple things tht will get better in the short term, but some bigger things have to improve in the long the if he's really gonna turn the corner.


>he's shooting poorly, but he's only taking ten shots a game.
>his assists/turnovers are *exactly* average for a PG. his
>rebounding is good, his steals have been great and he's making
>90% of his FTs.
>
>his scoring is disappointing, but his weakness in that area
>doesn't change the fact that he's doing other things well.
>this is not something i will debate with you.

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197. "You may disagree"
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But I think he's an average pg with upside. I'm fine with him being average now. You don't see me going crazy and trying to cyse him in top 10 pg convos. I know there are holes in his game, but there are also some strengths that he has in certain areas where he's in the top tier if pgs.

Things like scoring, shotmaking, jumpers historically have been more fixable by nba players than teaching guards to rebound, get steals, play hard, and push tempo...I'm sure some of this analysis you hate because its more anecdotal that statistical but that's where I stand.


There's a couple things tht will get better in the short term, but some bigger things have to improve in the long the if he's really gonna turn the corner.


>he's shooting poorly, but he's only taking ten shots a game.
>his assists/turnovers are *exactly* average for a PG. his
>rebounding is good, his steals have been great and he's making
>90% of his FTs.
>
>his scoring is disappointing, but his weakness in that area
>doesn't change the fact that he's doing other things well.
>this is not something i will debate with you.

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199. "You may disagree"
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But I think he's an average pg with upside. I'm fine with him being average now. You don't see me going crazy and trying to cyse him in top 10 pg convos. I know there are holes in his game, but there are also some strengths that he has in certain areas where he's in the top tier if pgs.

Things like scoring, shotmaking, jumpers historically have been more fixable by nba players than teaching guards to rebound, get steals, play hard, and push tempo...I'm sure some of this analysis you hate because its more anecdotal that statistical but that's where I stand.


There's a couple things tht will get better in the short term, but some bigger things have to improve in the long the if he's really gonna turn the corner.


>he's shooting poorly, but he's only taking ten shots a game.
>his assists/turnovers are *exactly* average for a PG. his
>rebounding is good, his steals have been great and he's making
>90% of his FTs.
>
>his scoring is disappointing, but his weakness in that area
>doesn't change the fact that he's doing other things well.
>this is not something i will debate with you.

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203. "i agree."
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he's an average PG, even while shooting terribly. at 24, there's no reason he can't become an above average PG with some improvement.

i'm not a stat hard-liner. the idea is to figure out why some guys succeed and how other players could be better used. in this case, lin was better in NY because he was going to the basket much more aggressively and drawing twice as many FTs. but that caution has an upside: he's turning the ball over half as much now, while maintaining a similar number of assists (per 48). as a result, his drop-off isn't as pronounced as a points-obsessed simpleton might think.

  

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204. "he may"
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191. "Clutch Fans want Dragic back"
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192. "That's cause they're texans"
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And dragic is white.

I have no problem when guys moan for Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry is better than jeremy Lin right today. I don't think dragic is. He's flashier and does some cool shit, has nice stats, but last year with the reigns he didn't really win games--but yea he gets lots of live cause he's white.

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195. "And Dragic is a BETTER player, lol..."
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>last year with the reigns he didn't really win games--

have you looked at the Rockets record lately? lol

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200. "RE: And Dragic is a BETTER player, lol..."
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Yes they're 4-7.

Did you look at what the rockets did/didn't do with dragic last year? He put up great numbers but the team was much worse once Kyle got hurt and what's the suns record this year?

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201. "And when you get done, Dragic is STILL a BETTER player"
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198. "dragic is better."
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rox let him go because they didn't want to give him a player option (which makes guys hard to trade). if lin can get his scoring back in order, maybe he'll be as good as dragic -- but he's not right now.

he'll never be as good as lowry, who is one of the best PGs in the NBA.

  

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202. "Exactly"
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These same fans would take dragic over lowry

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238. "THIS right here is why you man Morey is a moron."
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>he'll never be as good as lowry, who is one of the best PGs in
>the NBA.

why?

like...besides his tendency to get hurt...a lot. WHY did they trade him? WHY?

he didnt get along w/ mchale. NOBODY DOES. hes an idiot. another issue lying directly @ moreys doorstep.

admit hes fucking up.



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241. "does anyone get along with lowry?"
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morey got a lottery pick in return, and used it to get harden. not sure what the issue is.

  

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243. "yea we couldnt have Harden + Lowry"
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for the Rockets that wouldve been ideal, but with no Lowry trade theres no Harden. Thats even a misconception on clucthfans. I love Kyle Lowry--i hope he can stay healthy cause hes a top 5 all around pg .

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207. "in defense of racist texans"
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guy-with-rocky/bond-villiain-name versus taiwanese-dude-from-cali is pretty much a wash. goran's per minute numbers are pretty consistent from what they saw in houston and he's playing pretty well.

they're prob just right that he's better.

  

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208. "Or it's because Dragic is the better player"
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That being said, if Lin can get any consistency to his jumper, the rest of his offense will fall into place.

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205. "trolling this shit ain't even fun anymore"
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why dudes leveraged everything on a 10 game run is beyond me
okp is over-reactionary but damn none of us even heard of dude before then, lol
i admit i at least thought he'd be as good as the "bad" stretch of games last yr
he's not even on that level right now
i thought he'd be able to get off a lil bit with the green light on a garbage team
but right TODAY....dude is not a nba starter
he's gonna be forced to be one for obvious reasons, which is a shame cause he might fuck around and get David Carr'd confidence wise

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215. "he played more games last year than he has this year."
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218. "why are you being dense, though?"
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i'm not even a big fan of the kid, but i've pointed out repeatedly how his shitty FG% is offset by the fact that he doesn't shoot very much and contributes in other (very tangible) ways. like dudes won't even give him credit for cutting his turnovers in half or being nearly top-five in the league in steals.

how is this so difficult to understand? jason kidd's career shooting percentage is 40% and he was going to all-star games with a 38% FG. lin is no kidd, but this infatuation with his FG% and scoring is fucking insane and really lazy.

  

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219. "The funny thing is that the whole linsanity thing on here"
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started because of truth saying that lin isn't good enough to help the knicks, and it snowballed from there b/c we were giving truth L's on a daily basis. Truth tyrna save face, but nothing that happens now can help him duck that L, because the knicks playing lin was obviously the smart thing to do, (even though truth has tried to spin it that he didn't really help the knicks last season, lolz)

SPM just tried to hop in to rile up nyers cause he has nothing else, 6ers suck, eagles suck.

subjctmattr is a knick fan and is genuinely invested while the other 2 are genda tippin.

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229. "i watch the games. his all around game is not good"
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the fact he's shitty offensively is just icing on the cake
he logs minutes and plays with a dude who can pop up and hit Js
he gonna get his assists every now and then
and i already explained why the steals thing is retarded to prop up
he's not a good on ball defender, most PGs in this league aren't but sometimes Lin looks out right horrible
him AND harden struggle like shit with the pick and roll
at this point yall are scrambling to piece together and spin anything into a positive (lol@ giving him credit for not having 5 TOs a game...CONGRATS!)
him being ineffective because he isn't doing xyz is not an excuse
if he's ass when he doesn't drive and dish and he's not driving and dishing...then he ass
he need to adjust his game and if he CAN'T because teams defend it better now...then that's on him

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234. "This is bulshit"
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>
>he gonna get his assists every now and then
>and i already explained why the steals thing is retarded to
>prop up
Its fine for every other player to get props on assists but not him? LOL. Most of his assists are not to James Harden..so again youre wrong.


>he's not a good on ball defender, most PGs in this league
>aren't but sometimes Lin looks out right horrible
>him AND harden struggle like shit with the pick and roll
>at this point yall are scrambling to piece together and spin
>anything into a positive (lol@ giving him credit for not
>having 5 TOs a game...CONGRATS!)

I disagree and since you watch all the games. If you want to have a non agenda driven conversation, I'd love to "sit down" with you and watch a play by play.
After reading through youre saying two different things. Jeremy Lin is imo an above average on the ball defender. I define on the ball as guarding a guy 1-on-1. He sometimes struggles with the super fast guys, but he's good moving his feet against most of the league, getting his hands n the ball, blocking shots. He's also really good when guys try and post him up.

Where he sucks or is below average is off the ball. He has a terrible sense of where his man is when he helps. I sometimes wonder if the coaching staff tells him to help or if he is freelancing. But yea---he watches the ball to much and often loses his man who is then open for a kickout three.

The grey area is PNR. I dont really consider PNR on the ball while you do. But hes not great there either. Hes not as bad as his off the ball, but he does a poor job of getting through screens. He also makes questionable choices. Like he will continue to go under a pick after a guy has made a jumpshot. Ive seen some improvement here the last couple games. He's been fighting through picks harder, but again--still has to make better decisions on what to do--especially with certain players




>him being not effective because he isn't doing xyz is not an
>excuse
>if he's ass when he doesn't drive and dish and he's not
>driving and dishing...then he ass
>he need to adjust his game and if he CAN'T because teams
>defend it better now...then that's on him
>
Like I said, I was worried when they had him spotting up in the corner just standing there. Last 3 games hes been getting to the hole or getting past his man and then kicking for assists. He's not finishing right now but its gonna happen soon. Ive already seen the progress this season.Adjustment isnt a one game process. Cause im sure youd agree even if he gets better and has a nice game one day, thats not truly adjusting. The changes and improvement we see will be incremental and we'll see them over the course of the season on to the next season. Dude is a hard worker, and his own biggest critic. Those things that are broken now are fixable. Even that broken J.

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235. "i've watched almost all the rox games."
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lin is a work in progress. but you can't just say his above-average assists, rebounds, steals and even blocks are meaningless, while crying about him shooting a shitty percentage on a grand total of ten attempts a game. whatever visuals flaws we all see, the bottom line is that he's an average PG in terms of productivity. that's what matters.

  

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244. "yae i'm cool with that. his avg/below avg. whatever"
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personally i think he's being put in a bad position
but whatever
he'll have ALL the opportunity in the world to improve and work on his game over the next couple of yrs so we'll see

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246. "Im back and forth on this"
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>personally i think he's being put in a bad position
>but whatever
>he'll have ALL the opportunity in the world to improve and
>work on his game over the next couple of yrs so we'll see

My initial selfish thought is Id love to see him on the Knicks this year--A) cause it woulda saved me money and been easier to watch him and be cause theyd be doing just as well right now with him starting and he'd get pub for being on a good team.

But on the flipside, going to Houston will allow him to develop without being under the same microscope he was under in NY. I mean as good as NY is playing now, Id be shocked if they win a championship. And lets be honest, as long as they keep not winning, the blme has to go somewhere--and he'd be a major target.

They wont replace him in the starting lineup so he has no choice but to keep playing. I mean maybe he regresses like Tony Douglas, but i highly doubt it.

Like you said, he has a couple of years. Right now hes playing more like a 5 million dollar pg than he is a league minimum $250,000 pg. If Lawson and Jrue right now are what 12-14 million pgs should be making, he'll be there by year 3.

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254. "do you think he would have fit into Woodsons system?"
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258. "they are actually running offense similar to d'antoni's "
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just less stupid 3's and more melo iso's.

so, yes.

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270. "whoops."
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>just less stupid 3's

they're currently taking as many threes a game as any time in the d'antoni era - which is actually proportionally more, due to their slower pace.

great offensive teams take and make a ton of threes. here are the best three teams in offensive rating:

heat
knicks
nets

here's where they rank in threes made.

heat - 2nd
knicks - 1st
nets - 5th

if you can make threes at a decent clip, there's no such thing as taking too many. but you can be like philly, who shoots a high percentage from there -- but has a shitty offense because they don't take enough of them (or get to the foul line).

  

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275. "i said less stupid 3's. "
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not less 3's.

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263. "yes."
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I mean he was doing okay at the end of last year. Fine it wasnt Linsanity, but it doesnt have to be. He was basically doing what Ray is doing now. Like Cenario said, its a lot of PNR reads like D'antoni.

You think he's so bad that if he were playing with this current Knicks team theyd be like 3-4 ?

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222. "I can tell you secretly like him"
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SPM backing off?

>why dudes leveraged everything on a 10 game run is beyond me
>okp is over-reactionary but damn none of us even heard of dude
>before then, lol
>i admit i at least thought he'd be as good as the "bad"
>stretch of games last yr
>he's not even on that level right now
>i thought he'd be able to get off a lil bit with the green
>light on a garbage team
>but right TODAY....dude is not a nba starter
>he's gonna be forced to be one for obvious reasons, which is a
>shame cause he might fuck around and get David Carr'd
>confidence wise
>
He'll be fine confidence wise. He's AT LEAST as good as or has the upside of half the pgs in the NBA. So if the Rockets are gonna be a bad team, tehy gotta let him get game experience.

One of my main gripes is again, the microscope he's under--not just on this board but in general.

Let him put up those Jrue Holiday numbers for 10 games but average 4.5 turnovers a game. What would happen? He would be getting shitted on like crazy for turning the ball over right now.

Motherfuckers are talking about his 5/5/14 contract after 10 games.
Well then hell why arent we talking about Ty Lawson's 14/14/14 after 10 games. Theyre putting up similar average numbers.
Even Jrue's 12/12/12, cause again Jeremy would damn sure be hearing it if he was averaging 4.5 turnovers even at 16 and 8

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223. "i'm assuming bad is in quotes b.c he didn't have a bad"
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stretch last year?

>i admit i at least thought he'd be as good as the "bad" stretch of games last yr

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225. "dumbass"
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he had a terrible 1 game stretch vs Miami

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232. "this why i go in on yall. use some fucking common sense "
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and objectivity
where did YOU get 16 and 6 from?
stop typing dumb shit for agendas sake.
dude went from allstar level play hitting game winners on a big stage
to being average shooting 35% against teams like philly
to now being below avg.

cenario is an idiot who's been relegated to only appearing when it's time to cosign you or guinness
so i'm not even taking him serious at this point
but bad is in quotes because it's all relative to how he played (and how yall hyped him) during linsanity
there wouldn't even BE a lin agenda if yall hadn't went in on anybody who didn't think he was the next best thing since sliced bread

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239. "no the reason there is a lin agenda is bc truth said he was"
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not good enough to help the knicks and shouldn't be playing and lost miserably. We dished out an L with every game that lin helped the knicks which was practically every game. Now truth trying to save face.

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250. "lol, my name stay in your mouth, you really hurting over this shit, huh?"
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259. "is anything i said false? the first post on lin went 300+ deep"
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b.c we were giving you L's. I mean that is a fact. that is how this whole thing started, lol.

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262. "Do you want a hug?"
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265. "so you agree....cool."
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240. "Me Agenda's sake?"
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Im one of the few guys who has an agenda and will criticize my agenda guy.


>and objectivity
>where did YOU get 16 and 6 from?


Where did I say 16 and 6?

>stop typing dumb shit for agendas sake.
>dude went from allstar level play hitting game winners on a
>big stage
>to being average shooting 35% against teams like philly
>to now being below avg.
>


You said it was a bad stretch. It wasnt. His last month was 14,6, and 3 on 40%


>cenario is an idiot who's been relegated to only appearing
>when it's time to cosign you or guinness
>so i'm not even taking him serious at this point
>but bad is in quotes because it's all relative to how he
>played (and how yall hyped him) during linsanity
>there wouldn't even BE a lin agenda if yall hadn't went in on
>anybody who didn't think he was the next best thing since
>sliced bread

LOL i woulda never gone in on Anybody. Shit I woulda been fine having my very average Asian pg. I started when cats were like "but hes not even that good" and acting like his run was common in basketball and that he was ONLY getting live because he was Asian. To me "Linsanity" showed what his ceiling and floor could could be, doesnt mean he's there yet. He's gonna have to keep working but on the big stage, in big moments, hes shown what he could do and in the Miami game--how bad he could be. I mean wtf was that just a Miracle run sent to us by Jesus Christ since Jeremy is a believer?


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209. "SMH."
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hes not a starting PG.

simple & plain.

nothing to do w/ him being asian or whatever

dude isnt a NBA starting point guard.

*shruggles*


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210. "Why do most of you want to see him fail so badly?"
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Just to say 'I told you so'? I don't see why this is it for him, he has three years to improve and to prove that he's a capable NBA player, and yes he's shooting at an atrocious percentage right now, but we're only 11 games through the season and...

oh wait, agendas, carry on.

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