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"Ernie Grunfeld Special! Ariza and Okafor for Rashard Lewis and #46"
Wed Jun-20-12 01:38 PM by SoulHonky

          

And this is why you don't keep a lame duck general manager.

The Wizards add two overpaid players, one who I guess will no backup or play out of position at PF, and don't really get that much better. Lewis was also their best shot at making a big deal. If you're going to try to win games, don't bite at the first deal that comes your way like this one.

I'm not sure why anyone would think, "Yeah, let's clog our payroll with the guys who couldn't help Chris Paul win. That'll be just what John Wall needs."

Finally, I also think that this means that Bradley Beal will be their #3 pick and I'm not sure that he and Wall are the best fit. Although at least Beal means that opponents might not be able to get away with just sitting in a zone all day (that is, if Beal can shoot better than he did during the college season.)

On the bright side, it means that they can finally amnesty Blatche.

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this is the best we could get for that contract huh.
Jun 20th 2012
1
right? shoulda waited till midseason when teams were panic selling
Jun 20th 2012
2
If they take BEAL?!! and Cheesy trades down?!!!!!
Jun 20th 2012
3
it's a good salary dump by the Hornets...
Jun 20th 2012
4
Not as bad for you guys as you think.
Jun 20th 2012
5
Wiz are looking like a capped out 30 win team.
Jun 20th 2012
6
      You say capped out, but you weren't getting any big fish anyway.
Jun 20th 2012
8
           lol @ getting playoff experience.
Jun 20th 2012
9
           This roster can contend for #8 in the East, chuckles:
Jun 20th 2012
13
                Replace Blatche with Seraphin
Jun 20th 2012
16
                     or milwakee even
Jun 20th 2012
18
           Kajun, be honest, you're thrilled about this deal.
Jun 20th 2012
12
                Oh no doubt, we are partying. Lol.
Jun 20th 2012
15
Great for both parties IMO
Jun 20th 2012
7
LOL, nobody's going there.
Jun 20th 2012
19
      somebody will
Jun 20th 2012
26
           Oh. You took what I said literally.
Jun 20th 2012
33
                They just need a guy who can score 15-18ppg
Jun 20th 2012
43
I like the deal
Jun 20th 2012
10
That's all they do
Jun 20th 2012
11
      RE: That's all they do
Jun 20th 2012
14
ariza becoming that samsonite man (c) fashawn
Jun 20th 2012
17
So do they now deal Harden for the #3?
Jun 20th 2012
20
Two defensive minded vets with winning experience. Good.
Jun 20th 2012
21
okafor has winning experience?
Jun 20th 2012
22
uconn?
Jun 20th 2012
23
oh great...can't wait for the next melo hate post.
Jun 20th 2012
24
Okafor and Ariza have more combined than the whole Wiz roster.
Jun 20th 2012
27
      Aundray Blatche has more playoff experience than Okafor
Jun 20th 2012
30
           Probably shouldn't bring up 'Shard's playoff exp with Ariza's
Jun 20th 2012
34
                So are you upset that Anthony Davis won't be mentored by those two?
Jun 20th 2012
35
                     Okafor and Ariza are not salary dump players dude.
Jun 20th 2012
36
                          So they aren't salary dumps but you're dancing 'bout dumping them
Jun 20th 2012
38
                          We are in a different position than the Wiz.
Jun 20th 2012
39
                          They really don't though
Jun 20th 2012
41
                          both teams improved their situations, so he should be happy.
Jun 21st 2012
54
                          just wanted to point out that oak hasnt had double digit rebs since cha
Jun 20th 2012
46
                               9.5 per game a year ago...cmon
Jun 20th 2012
47
                                    so we agree, he's not a double double machine.
Jun 21st 2012
53
                                         Wat.
Jun 21st 2012
60
                                              so 23 dd in 72 games 2 years ago makes him a dd machine today?
Jun 21st 2012
63
                                                   Are you just stuck on the semanctics of the word "machine?"
Jun 21st 2012
64
                                                        so basically post 53?
Jun 21st 2012
65
                                                        RE: Are you just stuck on the semanctics of the word "machine?"
Jun 21st 2012
69
                                                             yep, they are going to suck ass...
Jun 21st 2012
73
                                                             And they will be better for it.
Jun 21st 2012
75
                                                                  I think that they would technically have been better without the trade
Jun 21st 2012
79
                                                                       None of those guys will be free agents
Jun 21st 2012
81
                                                                       Please tell us more...
Jun 21st 2012
83
                                                                            Stern also snitched on the Saints so Hornets would be only game in town
Jun 21st 2012
84
                                                             Bwahaha...you're still mad about something?
Jun 21st 2012
74
it was a priority, but it also was an asset
Jun 21st 2012
50
I'm good with the move too
Jun 21st 2012
68
      I don't like that "Who's gonna play here?" attitude you got.
Jul 05th 2012
93
Still can't believe rashard lewis and that monstrous deal
Jun 20th 2012
25
the Lakers should take Ariza/Okafor/Blache for Gasol and Blake
Jun 20th 2012
28
OKC ain't winning the chip so how are Deron/Kobe supposed to
Jun 20th 2012
29
bynum for deron makes sense but we can get more than that for Pau
Jun 20th 2012
31
How does adding Blatche turn the value from 'Shard to Gasol?
Jun 20th 2012
32
Grunfeld First Tried To Get Rudy Gay & A Bag Of Dildos But Was Denied
Jun 20th 2012
37
These little gm deals for huge whack contracts are hilarious
Jun 20th 2012
40
I like Hollinger when he drops the mathlete gimmick (swipe)
Jun 20th 2012
42
this is a dumb ass article
Jun 20th 2012
44
      Blatche? People really didn't pay attention to the Wiz last year
Jun 20th 2012
45
      the wizards arent a playoff team
Jun 21st 2012
49
           NO isn't either but the wiz at least can make a run
Jun 21st 2012
59
I will give my hate an asterisk
Jun 20th 2012
48
Nene's health issues will prevent that from happening
Jun 21st 2012
51
      I was stunned when they brought him and Wittman back
Jun 21st 2012
52
           Leonsis is loyal to a fault.
Feb 12th 2013
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I don't hate the move. I think you're missing key points here
Jun 21st 2012
55
no reason to assume a better deal was coming.
Jun 21st 2012
58
      It's hard to get a worse deal
Jun 21st 2012
61
           probably better deals available is kinda hard to defend.
Jun 21st 2012
66
                I'm with you on this.
Jun 21st 2012
67
                If Ariza is a mentor, that team is fucked.
Jun 21st 2012
71
                I think Ariza is overrated and Okafor will struggle at the 4
Jun 21st 2012
72
                is ariza overrated outside of OKS?
Jun 21st 2012
78
                     Some people are acting like he's a difference maker
Jun 21st 2012
82
                So I guess Blatche will be back then
Jun 21st 2012
76
                     i would not be surprised if he is not amnestied.
Jun 21st 2012
77
The Wiz exchanged 1 dude who doesn't play for 2 that do.
Jun 21st 2012
56
The only bad part about this is that they'll prob pass on MKG.
Jun 21st 2012
57
I don't think he was ever really an option
Jun 21st 2012
62
      With that high a pick you take the best player available
Jun 21st 2012
70
I can't believe in 1 day there's this much dialogue about the Wiz lol
Jun 21st 2012
80
So seeing the moves the Nets have made...
Jul 05th 2012
85
lol, baby steps, you go from lottery to a 7-8 seed, THEN to a 4-5
Jul 05th 2012
86
Ninjas in that Nets post talking championship n shit lol...
Jul 05th 2012
88
      The Nets have some interesting pieces, I think a lot hinges on Wall...
Jul 05th 2012
90
           Wall was never really a dancing and partying dude. Everything does hinge
Jul 05th 2012
91
After seeing what this FA market has brought I'm 100% on board with Erni...
Jul 05th 2012
87
      My main problem is I wanted Blatche gone...
Jul 05th 2012
89
           Andray Blatche amnesty day is July 11. No way he's on this roster
Jul 05th 2012
92
good trade. n/m
Feb 12th 2013
94
excellent n/m
Feb 12th 2013
96
I guess?
Feb 12th 2013
98
outstanding n/m
Feb 12th 2013
100
lol wow who finds these
Feb 12th 2013
95
lol, at first I thought it was some new shit and the Heat were getting.....
Feb 12th 2013
97
I love being right.
Feb 12th 2013
99

Tiger Woods
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1. "this is the best we could get for that contract huh."
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2. "right? shoulda waited till midseason when teams were panic selling"
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you can't tell me that this deal wouldn't have been available in February same as it's available today, and it's not like it suddenly positions the Wizards to make a playoff push next year. but in March there will be more teams facing the reality of their roster in the W-L column and willing to consider enacting a longer term plan wherein they clear cap immediately.

so yeah, stupid deal for the Wiz. if it really is the best one, do it in February. so dumb.

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3. "If they take BEAL?!! and Cheesy trades down?!!!!! "
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WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  

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4. "it's a good salary dump by the Hornets..."
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...they're taking Davis with that No. 1 pick. but they still need to fill out the roster. E Gordon gon' get that $$$$. Lewis won't stay...he has a buyout of $10M i believe.

Ariza better than any SF the Wiz have now. Okafor prolly gonna bet moved. Grunfeld has a knack for makin' low 2nd round picks work. i can't see them goin' to camp with Nene, Seraphin and Okafor. not enough minutes.

  

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5. "Not as bad for you guys as you think."
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Oak and Ariza will work well with what you guys have now, if for nothing else than bringing in veteran, defensive minded players to help change the culture in DC. They will both have good trade value next year as well. Your team just got significantly better, I believe.


Both of these guys can still play. They will frustrate you at times, but they are solid. A bit overpaid, but only 2 years left on both deals.

  

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6. "Wiz are looking like a capped out 30 win team. "
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They have two highly paid centers in a league that's moving towards small ball. Ariza is arguably the best shooter in their rotation right now, which is frightening.

They are going to have to rely HEAVILY on rookie Bradley Beal to cover pretty much all of their perimeter scoring.

They went from a twenty win team with assets and potentially some cap space to a team that's pretty much locked into what they have.

If you're going to ditch the youth movement and try to win now, you don't do add Okafor and Ariza to a 20 win team and think it's going to make you anything but mediocre.

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8. "You say capped out, but you weren't getting any big fish anyway."
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At best you are a couple years from being a player in free agency as it is.

So why not bring in a couple of tough vets, build some confidence in Wall/Beal, maybe get some playoff experience, and in 2 years build on that?

And next year BOTH guys will be expiring. Trade value will be good and further deals will be possible.

Can't live in the high lotto forever.

  

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9. "lol @ getting playoff experience."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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13. "This roster can contend for #8 in the East, chuckles:"
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PG - Wall
SG - Beal/Crawford
SF - Ariza/Singleton
PF - Blatche/Vesely
C - Nene/Okafor

Not gonna win a chip obviously, but could definitely be in the mix for #8. Make a couple more deals...something to work with.

  

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16. "Replace Blatche with Seraphin"
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Although he's really more of a center than a PF too. But I can't imagine Blatche is starting next year.

And I don't see that team being better than the Cavs next year. Nevermind almost being better than the Knicks or the Sixers.

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18. "or milwakee even"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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12. "Kajun, be honest, you're thrilled about this deal."
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And you're the team getting the corpse.

That's a sign of a bad deal. (Oh, and I'm not a Wiz fan. Just knew that Grunfeld was going to fuck this up and try to win now. This isn't as bad as the Mike Miller for #5 pick deal but it's pretty bad.)

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15. "Oh no doubt, we are partying. Lol."
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But that's because our current roster needed this purge. Okafor would be awful with Anthony Davis, and Ariza had a falling out with Monty Williams last year.

Clears cap space for us to resign Gordon, etc.


I think it works well for both teams honestly.

  

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7. "Great for both parties IMO"
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Hornets can really go after a #2 scorer in free agency now. I would love to re-sign Kaman.



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19. "LOL, nobody's going there."
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26. "somebody will"
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even if it's a mid tier guy like Atawn Jamison who is an unrestricted FA. They will get someone

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33. "Oh. You took what I said literally. "
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Antwan Jamison?

Okay, player.

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43. "They just need a guy who can score 15-18ppg"
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to complement Gordon so that Davis can be the 3rd or 4th scoring option. To give him time to develop without much pressure to be a big part of the offense early on. This year it was Kaman. He is ideal to re-sign IMO

>Antwan Jamison?
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>Okay, player.


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10. "I like the deal"
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1 down 1 (Blatche)to go. If Ariza and Okafor play a lick of defense and put in some work, it'll be an upgrade over both of the bums that we pay to play (or in Blatche's case, not) PF now.

  

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11. "That's all they do"
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> Ariza and Okafor play a lick of
>defense


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14. "RE: That's all they do"
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Exactly so I'll take it.

  

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17. "ariza becoming that samsonite man (c) fashawn"
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20. "So do they now deal Harden for the #3?"
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I mean, if it's between Harden and Beal, I roll the dice on Harden.

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21. "Two defensive minded vets with winning experience. Good."
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Ditching Rashard was a top priority. Now Blatche can get amnestied. I don't hate this move one bit.

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22. "okafor has winning experience?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "uconn?"
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24. "oh great...can't wait for the next melo hate post."
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27. "Okafor and Ariza have more combined than the whole Wiz roster."
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It's a culture of losing. They've gotta turn it around.

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30. "Aundray Blatche has more playoff experience than Okafor"
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And the guy the Wizards are trading away has more combined playoff experience than Okafor and Ariza combined.

Okafor has seen the playoffs once. Ariza has some experience but he's clashed with his coach and is hardly a leader that is going to change the cycle of losing in Washington.

I could see using the playoff experience/better veteran excuse for the Javale/Young for Nene deal but Nene's also a very good player. The Wizards just gave up a decent trade asset in 'Shard's expiring deal for two guys that the Hornets wanted to dump so much that rumors were that they were considering dumping the #10 pick just to get them off the payroll.

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34. "Probably shouldn't bring up 'Shard's playoff exp with Ariza's"
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http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Rashard+Lewis+Trevor+Ariza+NBA+Finals+Game+GQOKPd4M39-l.jpg


And lets not act like he was contributing anything positive for that young team. All he can do at this point is share his expertise on how to convince someone to hand you the worst contract in NBA history by taking roids. Bringing up his playoff experience at this point is a joke.

And Okafor has 188 playoff minutes to Blatche's 114.

And those rumors about dumping #10 were absolute bullshit. Completely baseless.


Lots of wrong basically.

  

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35. "So are you upset that Anthony Davis won't be mentored by those two?"
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C'mon man, the trade's official, you don't have to keep acting like the Wiz are somehow sitting pretty after this deal.

And are you saying that you haven't been hoping to dump those two contracts?

And the playoff experience angle being a joke is why I posted it. The fact that you're arguing over 'Shard vs. Ariza or Blatch vs. Okafor is EXACTLY the point I was making. If you think a plus of this trade was playoff experience, then the trade is even worse. Okafor and Ariza aren't adding shit. Shit went out and a different shit came back.

And whether or not the rumor was true, the fact is that it seemed reasonable and most everyone thought the Hornets would have to give up something of value for someone to take on one of those deals.

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36. "Okafor and Ariza are not salary dump players dude."
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They are still productive. They are just a bit overpaid.


So no, I do not find it reasonable that the Hornets would have to give up a valuable asset for a team to get PRODUCTIVE players, both with only 2 years left on their deal.

Lulz at acting like these 2 guys can't contribute to playoff teams. Oak is a double-double machine and Ariza won a chip as a starter. Stop this, please.


Its not like they are Rashard Lewis or something. Oop.

  

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38. "So they aren't salary dumps but you're dancing 'bout dumping them"
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Makes sense.

If they were valuable, you'd have wanted something more in return than a corpse and a mid-second round pick.

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39. "We are in a different position than the Wiz."
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We are in total rebuild mode. They are a few years into theirs, and need to show their fans some wins.


If we were thinking "win now" I absolutely wouldn't mind keeping them. But they don't fit with our plan right now.

That doesn't make them worthless, cap killers. Just overpaid vets, like over half of the damn league.

  

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41. "They really don't though"
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Fans aren't flocking to see Okafor and Ariza and a 30 win team. This is EXACTLY the kind of thinking that I hate and the reason I think this deal is so horrible for the Wizards. (Nevermind that they just spent two first round picks on forwards and dealt for a better center in Nene last year.)

I mean, they were a game worse than the Hornets last year and were in an easier division and NO was missing their best player. They shouldn't be expecting two role players to suddenly sweep the fans off their feet and make the team relevant again.

EDIT: And, again, if Okafor and Ariza had legit value, fans would be pissed that the Hornets didn't get any assets in return for them. Yes, the Hornets are in a full rebuild but the fact that you got nothing in return for those two and are happy about it speaks volumes to me.

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54. "both teams improved their situations, so he should be happy."
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since the nene trade, the wiz have added three starters who are significantly more consistent, productive, experienced and mature than the people they are replacing. the team is a 2 guard away from a 35-38 win season and competing for a playoff spot. they wont be a good team yet, but that is not really the point. the team has to change the culture and start winning a few games in order to help wall develop and to convince him to sign his extension. The owner needs to team to win a few games to increase revenue and address the teams debt issue.

there arent any good UFAs that can help this team this year. there is no point in trading for/overpaying a RFA when you can just draft for your need (in theory). so why not tie up funds in the short term for tradable assets who will have an immediate impact on the quality of the teams play?

  

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46. "just wanted to point out that oak hasnt had double digit rebs since cha"
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Unless the oak you were referring to was charles oakley.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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47. "9.5 per game a year ago...cmon "
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A year he had the same rebound rate as Tim Duncan and Andrew Bogut.

His minutes dropped in New Orleans, as did the pace of the offense (29th in the league).

This year he was hurt, plus Kaman took minutes.


So yeah, still a double digit rebound guy with the minutes. Not like he suddenly forgot how.

  

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53. "so we agree, he's not a double double machine."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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60. "Wat."
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Career average: 12.8 pts, 10.0 reb
2010-11: 10.3 pts, 9.5 reb

In 2010-11 he was 7th among centers in DD's playing on the 2nd slowest paced team in the league (less shots = less rebounds).

4 less than Duncan, with 4 fewer games played.

More than Nene, Marc Gasol, Hibbert and oh...world champion Tyson Chandler.


Got anything particularly insightful to say about Okafor and his play, or are you just getting your basketball knowledge from the back of trading cards?

  

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63. "so 23 dd in 72 games 2 years ago makes him a dd machine today?"
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lmao.

and lmao at the qualifier of 7th among centers.

He was 23rd among pf/c..you know guys that get double double pts rebs.

Amare had 3 more double doubles than emeka that year, i guess that makes amare a double double machine too huh?

i'm mad you made me waste my time looking up these stats..please stfu.

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64. "Are you just stuck on the semanctics of the word "machine?""
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That word really seems to bother you. Sorry I chose it, had no idea it would cause you to abandon any sense of actual hoops knowledge (presuming you ever had any to begin with).

Emeka's play has not declined since coming to New Orleans, that is my point. He is still a double-double quality player, same as he ever was.

His rebound rate has remained the same since coming from Charlotte, and consistently places him in the top 12 in the league.


You have nothing tangible to offer about his actual play, you have probably watched him less than 5 times in his career, and can only point to his 9.5 boards disregarding all context while saying its technically not 10 and therefore he is not a double double player.

Lulz.



The bigger question really though...why are you so mad about Emeka Okafor gettin dem dub-dubs, sport?

  

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65. "so basically post 53?"
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and lol @ your given the minutes argument.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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69. "RE: Are you just stuck on the semanctics of the word "machine?""
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> cause you to abandon any sense of actual
>hoops knowledge (presuming you ever had any to begin with).
>

>You have nothing tangible to offer about his actual play, you
>have probably watched him less than 5 times in his career, and
>can only point to his 9.5 boards disregarding all context
>while saying its technically not 10 and therefore he is not a
>double double player.
>

this sums up his posting style completely

on a side note, NO getting the #1 pick is good because now ppl here WILL start watching hornets games and you won't be able to run around with that authoritative "none of you guys watch my team so let me explain" steez

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73. "yep, they are going to suck ass..."
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They are drafting a PF who I weigh more than, who banged in college but is not an offensive force at all.

They may resign Eric which would give them One scorer.

They will have to draft either a C or PG at 10 and pray he is a scorer, because who else is going to score on that team?

Jarret Jack?


Chris Paul is not walking through that door again.

Name one free agent that will want to play on a rebuilding team without a PG or a clear cut direction.


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75. "And they will be better for it."
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They'd suck ass with Ariza and Okafor so it's better to cut those deals and have cap space to either try to sign someone (as you say, unlikely) or be able to eat a contract and get an asset or get someone in a salary dump.

Either way, rebuilding a team is a 3 - 5 year process so them sucking next year is no problem. Also, better to save money while they suck.

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79. "I think that they would technically have been better without the trade"
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Okafor and Ariza would take pressure off AD having to carry the D like he will now.

Ariza is in bad with the coach so I get him being traded, but they could have packaged the 10 and Ariza and I am sure someone would have bit. I am not that big of a Gay fan, but why not give your team a scorer to compliment Gordon and hold on to Okafor to bang low with AD as he is groomed and trade him next season when he is about to expire for future picks or more depth. At least in that scenario they have some sort of team that is trying to win and still will have picks and progress.


Assuming Gordon will resign, there is nothing about NO that screams "we are trying"

you know and I know that shit was rigged and handed to them to make the team a better product to purchase


but besides that, nothing else about that team seems optimistic.


Even if Washington does suck next season, they will draft high next year and have 2 expiring contracts to trade off with John Wall, Seraphin, MKG/Beal, Nene

Gay, Granger, Deng are all free agents

they have a more attractive location and package than NO from the outside looking in.

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81. "None of those guys will be free agents"
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>Even if Washington does suck next season, they will draft high
>next year and have 2 expiring contracts to trade off with John
>Wall, Seraphin, MKG/Beal, Nene
>
>Gay, Granger, Deng are all free agents
>
>they have a more attractive location and package than NO from
>the outside looking in.

First off, Gay is signed for a while and Granger and Deng will still have a year left on their deals.

Secondly, the Wizards would have to work out a sign and trade to get any free agents since they are capped out and I doubt many people are going to trade a great player for Okafor straight up in a sign and trade; they'll probably have to move a pick or prospect.
This is why the deal makes no sense to me. Why kill your cap space when you should be able to sign someone next offseason?

The Hornets, on the other hand, will have cap space so, if they do decide to go after someone, they can. (I'd think they'd wait a year though.)

Again, Okafor and Ariza wouldn't have made New Orleans any more enticing for free agents. They're better off with the cap space and letting the owner save some dough. The Wizards will be looking at the luxury tax in 2013/14.

The Hornets are tanking, as they should. To rebuild, you want to clear the slate and stock assets. You don't add two guys and 40 million dollars to your payroll when those guys don't fix your weaknesses and have almost no part in your long term plans.

The Hornets are, without a doubt, better in the long term. They're rebuilding. Fuck the short term.



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83. "Please tell us more..."
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>you know and I know that shit was rigged and handed to them to
>make the team a better product to purchase
>

Would love to hear your expert analysis on how this was physically accomplished, plus the surely riveting explanation of how half the league could be convinced to be in on it since all lotto participants were present at the drawing.

Since you "know" and all.


I can't wait!



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84. "Stern also snitched on the Saints so Hornets would be only game in town"
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Stop acting like you don't know this man!

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74. "Bwahaha...you're still mad about something?"
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>on a side note, NO getting the #1 pick is good because now ppl
>here WILL start watching hornets games and you won't be able
>to run around with that authoritative "none of you guys watch
>my team so let me explain" steez

Please, PLEASE let this be true.

You think I enjoy having to point out basic, obvious things about my team to you jokers that haven't watched them play?

I say it because it is painfully obvious how little you know about my squad. You don't see me yucking it up in your Heat circle-jerks bro, I stick to my teams so I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

  

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50. "it was a priority, but it also was an asset"
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this was a really stupid move

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68. "I'm good with the move too"
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Especially if it means they dump Blatche. Everybody complaining about the move keeps bringing up cap space. Seriously, they could have all the cap space in the world, who is going to come play there?


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93. "I don't like that "Who's gonna play here?" attitude you got."
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If you got guap to pay out, somebody is gonna wanna play here. There was still slight hope to lure a good scorer, with money on the table as long as we had enough of it. This deal just basically seals up who we got for awhile. We are in year 3 of a 5 year rebuilding plan and I think we just sealed up the last two in Okafor and Ariza. Getting rid of Blatche should have been a higher priority than spending money right now.

  

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25. "Still can't believe rashard lewis and that monstrous deal"
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has been traded yet again.


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28. "the Lakers should take Ariza/Okafor/Blache for Gasol and Blake"
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then sign Ibaka and ship Bynum for Deron Williams

so you'd lose Bynum and Gasol but add Deron/Ibaka/Okafor/Ariza. F around and bring Lamar back too.

  

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29. "OKC ain't winning the chip so how are Deron/Kobe supposed to"
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that would be an awful team. Deron would not come to a team in that state.


  

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31. "bynum for deron makes sense but we can get more than that for Pau"
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not to mention ibaka is under contract until next offseason

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32. "How does adding Blatche turn the value from 'Shard to Gasol?"
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You got Ariza and Okafor for a corpse with an expiring contract. Adding a guy that is likely going to be cut loose isn't going to help matters.

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37. "Grunfeld First Tried To Get Rudy Gay & A Bag Of Dildos But Was Denied"
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40. "These little gm deals for huge whack contracts are hilarious"
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I don't see a winner in this

  

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42. "I like Hollinger when he drops the mathlete gimmick (swipe)"
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Especially when he agrees with me

Although I do think he's overplaying the issue next year (when Ariza/Okafor will be expiring deals) and Blatche didn't look like such a terrible signing when the deal was made; he showed promise on the court at that point.
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The good news for Washington Wizards fans is that general manager Ernie Grunfeld is building a winner. The bad news is that he's doing it in Minnesota and New Orleans.

Seriously, can anyone explain why this guy is still running a basketball team?

Grunfeld engineered yet another numbingly brutal trade today when he sent Rashard Lewis and a second-round pick to the New Orleans Hornets for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza.

The deal is classic Grunfeld -- taking a "win now" approach with a team that's not even close to win-now mode, overpaying veterans, mismanaging the cap, and basically throwing slop at the wall and hoping something sticks.

Okafor and Ariza combine to make $42 million this year and next, soaking up all of Washington's cap space for this year and next. The departing Lewis was due $22.7 million, but only $13.9 million of that was guaranteed, so the Wizards ate close to $30 million in salary with this deal.

This effectively takes the Wizards out of any potential free-agent deals beyond the midlevel; additionally, it also takes them out of amnesty auction bids, or cap space trades, or any other maneuvers that rebuilding teams typically take to begin stockpiling talent.

The big impact is a year from now. Okafor has an early termination option for $14.6 million after the season that he'd be nuts to exercise, while Ariza has a similar one for $7.7 million. Barring outrageous improvement by either, we can presume they're on Washington's books for 2013-14 at a cost of $22 million, compared with the $0 the Wizards owed Lewis; this puts them over the cap even if they amnesty Andray Blatche. (Another brilliant Grunfeld maneuver, by the way.) In fact, depending on how they use their exception money the next two summers, they may need to amnesty Blatche a year from now just to avoid the luxury tax.

For that, they get a middling but overpaid starting center, and a grossly overpaid wing defender with perhaps the worst shot selection in basketball. Alas, his only rival in that department will be starting alongside him. Which brings us to another reason to hate this trade: It did nothing to solve Washington's biggest problem, shooting. If anything, it exacerbated it.

This isn't quite as awful as the deal Grunfeld made two years ago when he traded the fifth overall pick to Minnesota for Mike Miller and Randy Foye, thinking those two were the key missing pieces separating his 19-win team from the championship, but it follows the same misguided logic. He has a bad team with a bad coach and obvious, glaring weaknesses, and somehow he thinks blowing his cap space on two middling, overpaid veterans will push the Wizards to the promised land.

By the way, if you're taking the "they had to make John Wall happy" angle, keep in mind that he is a restricted free agent, and that by design the Wizards have all the leverage in this negotiation. Basically, no team has ever lost a player it truly wanted to keep at this stage; it's only years later, when they could become unrestricted free agents, that we've seen players like LeBron James, Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Carmelo Anthony force their way out.

This wasn't supposed to happen when Ted Leonsis took over; he had followed a patient rebuilding program with the NHL's Washington Capitals and everybody expected the same for the Wizards. Instead he inexplicably extended Grunfeld's contract based on one halfway-decent month to end the season while half the teams around the Wizards were tanking, and then signed off on this travesty.

He overpaid for the assets, too. Remember, a few weeks ago people were talking about how New Orleans might use the 10th pick to persuade somebody to take Okafor and Ariza off its hands. Instead the Hornets are keeping the 10th pick and got rid of both contracts. How hard do you suppose they laughed when Washington agreed to throw in a second-round pick too?

As for the Hornets, this was a wondrous move that offloaded two problem contracts, cleaned out room in a crowded frontcourt for rookie Anthony Davis, and gives them almost unlimited cap room going forward. Once they waive Lewis, the Hornets will be far enough under the cap that they could amnesty Jarrett Jack, offer Deron Williams a max contract, and still re-sign Eric Gordon.

It's unlikely D-Will would take that bait, but the real fun comes a year later when Jack and Lewis are off New Orleans' books entirely; if the Hornets offer Gordon about $10 million a year, they would still have nearly $30 million in cap space. Of course, they still need to use this space to get actual players, but between trades and free agency they are in position to put a potent team around Davis fairly quickly. Also, some chap named Chris Paul will be a free agent next summer if he doesn't extend his contract.

Grunfeld said the Wizards are better than they were yesterday, and in a very narrow sense he's correct: This deal does incrementally improve his roster. But there are far more efficient ways to produce the same improvement, and instead Grunfeld has essentially handcuffed the franchise to two more years of mediocrity so he could win a news conference.

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44. "this is a dumb ass article"
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Fam talking about Chris Paul like he is relevant to the conversation.

You can specualate the future all you want with NO, but they still fuckin suck.

Now you take away their main perimeter and interior defenders and now they have to hope AD is the answer on the inside. They need Kaman more than they think so if they resign Kaman and hope Gordon settles for 10 million, they won't be as free as they think.


Washington is a better team even with AD going to NO.


Their main offense is Wall and Blatche with Crawford and Seraphin stepping up. They have two solid defenders coming and a great draft pick.


What dude also failed to touch on is even if Okafor and Ariza opt for the last year, they are expiring contracts. I can't think of not one playoff team that has ever said "we can't use a solid defender on this playoff run"


Washington is good. NO is good.


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45. "Blatche? People really didn't pay attention to the Wiz last year"
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Blatche was benched and basically made persona non grata and has a 1% chance of being on the team, nevermind their "main offense".

I will agree that Hollinger's win now idea for New Orleans was a bit silly. They should suck and get another lotto pick.


>Their main offense is Wall and Blatche with Crawford and
>Seraphin stepping up. They have two solid defenders coming and
>a great draft pick.

Good luck with that. (And I like those guys more than most.)


>What dude also failed to touch on is even if Okafor and Ariza
>opt for the last year, they are expiring contracts. I can't
>think of not one playoff team that has ever said "we can't use
>a solid defender on this playoff run"

The Wiz aren't a playoff team. They still aren't.

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49. "the wizards arent a playoff team"
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probably not for the next two years, no matter WHO tf they draft

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59. "NO isn't either but the wiz at least can make a run"
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They are in a good situation considering they do have Wall and they do play in the East.

Their main problem seems to be from a coaching standpoint because the talent is there.

Hell, Nick Young and McGee proved to be important pieces to their respective playoff teams, but were accomplishing shit in Washington.


They may not make the 8 seed but with Rashard they still weren't because he is an defensive liability indeed. Nene and Okafor can bang in the post

I just think there isn't really a loss for either team in this trade. I think NO is hoping that things pan out of course, but the players they gave Washington can play and get results, they just currently cost a lot, but there are no options that are better for now.

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48. "I will give my hate an asterisk"
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If Grunfeld somehow moves Nene for a younger, quality shooting guard or power forward, then the deal will make some sense and Okafor will fit.

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51. "Nene's health issues will prevent that from happening"
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not to mention grunfeld's ineptitude. how was this guy not fired?

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52. "I was stunned when they brought him and Wittman back"
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I'd really like to hear how he sold his owner on this one. If he doesn't make another move, I'd be surprised if he makes it through next season.

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101. "Leonsis is loyal to a fault."
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He's the opposite Dan Snyder, but too far in that direction.

  

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55. "I don't hate the move. I think you're missing key points here"
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As a Bullets fan, I rather have cap space to make a FA move in the summers of 2014-2016 than in the summers of 2012-2014*. This move delays our cap space while significantly improving the team in the short run.

As it stands the Wiz have 6 under 22 players in the current rotation (Wall, Crawford, Singleton, Vesley, Seraphin, Booker) with the 7th player coming with the #3 pick. Thats more than enough young guys with high draft pedigree to build around, more than probably any team in the league I would imagine. I will concede that watching young players in an environment without veteran accountability does not work. When your vets are guys like Mo Evans, Cartier Martin and James Singleton then you basically have no accountability. In a couple of months we've turned those vets into Nene, Okafor, and Ariza and that changes the entire dynamic of the situation.

There is nothing saying that Okafor and Ariza have to play over Seraphin and Singleton especially if the young guys continue to blossom. Last season Chris Singleton started basically every game even tho he didn't earn it, didn't play well, and mentally zoned out by the all-star break. The reason was because the only alternative was to start Mo Evans. Doc Rivers actually referred to that as the "Washington model" to give young guys minutes that they haven't earned when talking about how he handled Avery Bradley. You and Hollinger are coming from the angle that Whitman is a bad coach, but honestly I don't share that opinion. Maybe the guy has learned from his past gigs, maybe he just clicks better with this roster, but Whitman was everything we could ask for in a coach from the moment he was hired. He benched McGee, Young and Blatche for 10-day contract guys like Cartier Martin and James Singleton. He curtailed Chris Singleton's minutes and just played a Vesely at the SF for long stretches of time. Basically he forced accountability and he got it and this team looked worlds better.

It doesn't kill our cap space thank goodness, it doesn't stop the development of our young guys, and it makes us more accountable, which as we've seen makes us better. I think it puts us in the position to contend for the playoffs now, while still allowing our young guys to develop. The truth is if John Wall plus one more of those young guys don't develop into all-stars the rebuild after gun-gate was a failure anyway, with or without this trade. So in other words, nothing has really changed.

*My preferred move would have been to resign Cartier Martin and James Singleton to 2 yr deals around 2-4M per to fill the veteran bench roles, which would have let us keep our flexibility. But I also think/thought that the roster we had was good enough to compete for 40 wins as it stood.

Edit: The one big question I do have is why now? I realize that a move had to be made on Rashard prior to July 1st, but we could have waited until draft day I would think, so maybe there's another move coming, which may or may not change my entire outlook on the situation.

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58. "no reason to assume a better deal was coming. "
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i dont question EGs trading acumen. he normally gets back more than he gives up. if he thought this was good enough and didnt want to miss the boat, he had to pull the trigger.

  

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61. "It's hard to get a worse deal"
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I mean, besides trading for Joe Johnson's shit contract there were probably better deals available (at least, get the #10 from New Orleans).

For me, that's the key. You added 40+ million in payroll and didn't get better. Lewis's contract was a very good asset so if you're going to take on a bad contract, at least get someone back in return. The Wiz had a very good chance of sneaking in as a third team in a deal, taking on a contract and a player.

And I think, worst case scenario, buying out Rashard and at least having a chance to add a young PF/SG in a trade or free agency would have been better.

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66. "probably better deals available is kinda hard to defend. "
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>I mean, besides trading for Joe Johnson's shit contract there
>were probably better deals available (at least, get the #10
>from New Orleans).

worse would have been trading for any other huge and long contract (Rudy Gay, Amare, JJ - there are plenty of them) or trying to overspend/trade for Mayo, Harden, or Gordon.
no way in the world the Hornets give up the number 10 pick in deep draft for Rashard Lewis's contract.

>For me, that's the key. You added 40+ million in payroll and
>didn't get better. Lewis's contract was a very good asset so
>if you're going to take on a bad contract, at least get
>someone back in return. The Wiz had a very good chance of
>sneaking in as a third team in a deal, taking on a contract
>and a player.

i dont see how they arent much better.
Statistically, Okafor has done what Serpahin hopes to do. Ariza is already who Singleton hopes to be.

the cost is $40M+ over two years. the length of their contracts is what is important, not the total value.
no one on the team other than Nene makes any real money and a healthy okafor in the final year of his contract will be very easy to move.
If Okafor was signed for 3 more years, i'd view this a lot differently.

>And I think, worst case scenario, buying out Rashard and at
>least having a chance to add a young PF/SG in a trade or free
>agency would have been better.

Leonsis has stated that he doesnt pay people not to play. so the buyout was never on the table for Ernie.

  

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67. "I'm with you on this."
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Okafor and Ariza at the very very very least can mentor and/or push Booker, Vesely, Seraphin, and Singleton.

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71. "If Ariza is a mentor, that team is fucked."
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Dude clashed with his coach last year and has a horrific shot selection. He needs a mentor to tell him to get his ass back to being a role player and stop thinking he's more than that.

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72. "I think Ariza is overrated and Okafor will struggle at the 4 "
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Where Grunfeld says he will start alongside Nene.

And given that the Wiz need help on offense, specifically shooting, I don't think either of these guys are going to make them better (and in fact might make John Wall MORE of a scoring guard which is the opposite direction he should be working towards.)

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78. "is ariza overrated outside of OKS?"
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i can say with certainty he is better (right now) than singleton and jan vesely. beyond that, i dont know.

i am not gonna really gonna defend okafor at the 4. defensively, Nene can take on the most athletic big and *maybe* it will work out. transition defense will be terrible, but when they need to go athletic they can rotate booker in.

its really all about how good the draft pick is. if he can shoot well and fit in the half court set, then this team can show a few different looks and compete.

  

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82. "Some people are acting like he's a difference maker"
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I've been kind of stunned at some of the reactions about him. Last year, the guy was everything the Wizards don't want around John Wall and Jordan Crawford. And he hasn't been willing to play his role and not jack up dump shots since leaving LA.

He's worn his welcome out in one year in both Houston (who dumped him after year 1) and New Orleans (who had him on the block after year 1 and finally dumped him.)

I'd rather watch Singleton and Vesely learn on the job and have the core gel rather than stick Ariza in there for a year or two.

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76. "So I guess Blatche will be back then"
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>Leonsis has stated that he doesnt pay people not to play. so
>the buyout was never on the table for Ernie.

Because if they amnety Blatche, Leonsis still has to pay him his salary.

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77. "i would not be surprised if he is not amnestied. "
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i would be upset, but not surprised.

  

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56. "The Wiz exchanged 1 dude who doesn't play for 2 that do."
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I'm good with it.

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57. "The only bad part about this is that they'll prob pass on MKG."
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I hope not. If he's available, they need to grab him.

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62. "I don't think he was ever really an option"
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They desperately need shooting which was the one thing MKG doesn't add.

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70. "With that high a pick you take the best player available "
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and work out the details later.

Michael Lee reported today that his sources still have MKG/Beal as the 2 options for the pick. Even if Beal is on the board I would still go with MKG, he just looks the part to me.

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80. "I can't believe in 1 day there's this much dialogue about the Wiz lol"
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85. "So seeing the moves the Nets have made..."
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do you think the Wizards off season moves have been better or worse than the nets? Realistically, the DMV area is a basketball hungry town...The Wizards basically have an entire stretch of area that runs from Baltimore down to Virginia and includes even some West Virginia areas...why the fuck is this squad not making any major moves? I think it's partly because our fans have been so lethargic with Grunfield and Co. Our biggest offseason move so far is Okafor? Really? Granted, I like drafting Beal but even still, how do we get from a lottery team to at least a 4 or 5 seed in the 'offs with our current roster?

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86. "lol, baby steps, you go from lottery to a 7-8 seed, THEN to a 4-5"
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88. " Ninjas in that Nets post talking championship n shit lol..."
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like they went from being on the Wiz level to contending with Bron and nem...

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90. "The Nets have some interesting pieces, I think a lot hinges on Wall..."
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and his development and is he done dancing and partying ready to be serious about becoming an elite pg in the NBA.

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91. "Wall was never really a dancing and partying dude. Everything does hinge"
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on his development this summer though. He spent last summer playing in the national pick up game circuit, and worked with a trainer recommended by WW Wes and them (allegedly).

This summer he's doing the USA basketball thing, and the team gave him a trainer to work with in LA (again alledgely) so we'll see.

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AceTales
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87. "After seeing what this FA market has brought I'm 100% on board with Erni..."
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and his moves so far. If we had gone into the market with 13M in cap room looking to sign 2 rotation players there is no way we would do better than what we got. Especially since Okafor and Ariza have only 2 year deals.

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GdChil1
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89. "My main problem is I wanted Blatche gone..."
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IDGAF how we get rid of him but he needs to be moved. He's lazy and he's the poster child for the guy you don't want these younger cats to be like.

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AceTales
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92. "Andray Blatche amnesty day is July 11. No way he's on this roster"
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to start the season. I think they're looking to get rid of him in a trade but if not he'll def just be amnestied.

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Awburn
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94. "good trade. n/m"
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96. "excellent n/m"
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Tiger Woods
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98. "I guess?"
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AceTales
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100. "outstanding n/m"
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95. "lol wow who finds these"
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97. "lol, at first I thought it was some new shit and the Heat were getting....."
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Okafor and Ariza for Rashard

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99. "I love being right."
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