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60 Minutes reporting that A-Rod’s camp leaked Ryan Braun and other Biogenesis players’ names to Yahoo!

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/16/60-minutes-reporting-that-a-rods-camp-leaked-ryan-braun-and-other-biogenesis-players-names-to-yahoo/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Alex Rodriguez has, like, 47 people on the planet in his corner. It’s me, a few other like-minded PED apologists, his kids, some friends, his lawyer and a handful of ballplayers, I figure. If this report from 60 Minutes is accurate, he’s doing a great job now of alienating even those left in his corner:

"'60 Minutes' has learned that members of New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez’s inner circle in February obtained and leaked documents that implicated Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun as well as his own Yankees teammate, catcher Francisco Cervelli, in the doping scandal that has enveloped Major League Baseball."

"The leak came just days after the weekly newspaper Miami New Times published documents in January detailing Rodriguez’s pervasive use of performance enhancing drugs."

The documents in question are Tony Bosch’s handwritten notes which, unlike those which sourced the Miami New Times report, were unredacted. The report is that A-Rod got his hands on them and released them to Yahoo! The possible implication being that he wanted more people’s names out there. The more serious implication: that A-Rod, in doing so, violated the Collective Bargaining Agreement’s confidentiality clause and also interfered with Major League Baseball’s investigation.

I see a confidentiality clause violation as a real problem. It could serve as a basis for Major League Baseball arguing for greater discipline and defending its 211-game ban. I’m less impressed with an argument that it interfered with their investigation. If true, it actually undercuts the idea that A-Rod was trying to destroy evidence. He was preserving it, actually, even if it wasn’t for pure motives. And if reports at the time were to be believed, Major League Baseball didn’t, as of yet, have access to any of these documents or the names contained therein, so Braun and others’ names being thrown out there actually would have allowed them to expand their investigation, wouldn’t it? It would have served as a lead? That doesn’t excuse A-Rod, of course, but I do think that it’s less than 100% clear that even him leaking things, if true, necessarily impeded MLB’s investigation.

But, if true, this is a potential additional violation of the CBA and it’s certainly an optics problem, as it appears as though A-Rod is throwing players under the p.r. bus. That he was trying to throw the focus off of him for a while. Which was successful, if one remembers how the story so quickly shifted to Braun in the week or so after Biogenesis came to light last winter.

  

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not surprised.
Aug 16th 2013
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damn if this is true, he should just retire and disappear
Aug 16th 2013
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A scumbag among scumbags nm.
Aug 16th 2013
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LOL....this fucking guy. You almost had your narrative, Shells!
Aug 16th 2013
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Team ARod, I Love this Fuckin' guy
Aug 16th 2013
5
if he really goes full heel, ill applaud
Aug 16th 2013
7
Jeter taught me...wait for it...it's coming
Aug 16th 2013
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Your wrong nobody was talking about roids til Bonds
Aug 16th 2013
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      Ken Caminiti disagrees
Aug 16th 2013
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Aug 16th 2013
I am somehow surprised and not surprised at the same time.
Aug 16th 2013
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good for him
Aug 16th 2013
10
Aug 16th 2013
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dude is the ultimate loser....
Aug 16th 2013
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This post looks like a Braun family reunion
Aug 16th 2013
14
'TISM.
Aug 16th 2013
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      Still defendin your boy now??
Aug 20th 2013
23
obvious decision from a PR standpoint and not all that surprising
Aug 16th 2013
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Will he go down as baseball's most hated player?
Aug 16th 2013
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I didn't like dude, but I'm starting to support him
Aug 17th 2013
18
This right here
Aug 19th 2013
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Shit has gotten COMPLETELY out of hand with the hate
Aug 19th 2013
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      Out of pocket ARod hate got me fighting longtime friends here
Aug 20th 2013
22
           ^^^ Needs its own post
Aug 20th 2013
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Agreed. And the post-plunking HR was pretty baller.
Aug 20th 2013
21
The hypocrisy of ARod hate right is uncanny
Aug 20th 2013
24
Im on the fence, I wanna support him, but now suing the team doctor?
Aug 20th 2013
25
I think the NYY and/or Cashman were trying to recoup money from
Aug 20th 2013
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oh I'm loving the shit out of his madmaking
Aug 20th 2013
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another Jose Conseco scumbag snitch.
Aug 20th 2013
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Cenario
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1. "not surprised."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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rjc27
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2. "damn if this is true, he should just retire and disappear"
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that is cold blooded...

I will say tho, as much as I'm against him snitching in this situation...

The fact that that 100 person mitchell report list has still NEVER been revealed and he's the only person who got in shit over it must have infuriated him, then, when this happened I can at least see him saying, umm, no, I ain't the only 1 going down again... Still, super douche bag move

  

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RaFromQueens
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3. "A scumbag among scumbags nm."
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4. "LOL....this fucking guy. You almost had your narrative, Shells!"
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bentagain
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5. "Team ARod, I Love this Fuckin' guy"
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I get it now...

let's not forget MLB was not interested in any of this PED shit before Canseco started talking

this is what the issue needs, an insider

he can either leverage his way out of his suspension with the threat of leaking more names

or MLB will continue to push for a lifetime ban

either way

we're gonna find out who is really to blame for all this bullshit

I can't wait for him to say something truly blasphemous like...

why wouldn't McGuire or Bonds get into the HOF, you just put Griffey in

HAHA!

this is awesome

greatest heel of all-time

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7. "if he really goes full heel, ill applaud"
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i dont think he is capable of it though. him giving a middle finger and playing when he should be sitting out is funny as shit to me.

  

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bentagain
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9. "Jeter taught me...wait for it...it's coming"
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if Arod serves his suspension

what else is he going to do besides out other players

the 211 game suspension is already suspect by the league's guidelines

without further information

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8. "Your wrong nobody was talking about roids til Bonds"
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became GOD of Hitting, this started with Bonds and MLB writers hatred for how he treated them like the pencil neck geeks or beer belly fools they are

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

  

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bentagain
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11. "Ken Caminiti disagrees"
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my point was

that whole Mitchell report, government hearing thing

that was the result of the accusations Canseco, a player made

it didn't come from baseball itself

this story is starting to look like that

MLB instituted drug testing after the Bonds/Mitchell report fiasco

and most of the players implicated in the biogenesis scandal didn't test positive for anything

the ARod/Biogenesis story is implying on going failures of baseball to be clean

I'm more interested if it's because of a lack of testing procedures/CBA/etc...

or if baseball knew about it, and didn't want to follow through for fear of having half the league suspended

miss me with the Bonds narrative, I don't care at this point

the issue is the media is still doing a better job of policing MLB than MLB is

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6. "I am somehow surprised and not surprised at the same time."
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I literally did the Alonzo Mourning gif after reading that headline...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/alonzo-mourning-heat-upset-then-realization.gif

  

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10. "good for him"
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12. ""
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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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Warren Coolidge
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13. "dude is the ultimate loser...."
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and this will cement his legacy in that regard....

  

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14. "This post looks like a Braun family reunion "
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mad?

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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15. "'TISM."
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23. "Still defendin your boy now??"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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16. "obvious decision from a PR standpoint and not all that surprising "
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A-Rod don't give a shit about a 'code'...lmao

  

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17. "Will he go down as baseball's most hated player?"
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Top 10 at least. Unless you're rooting for him as a heel, everyone hates him. Everyone.

  

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18. "I didn't like dude, but I'm starting to support him"
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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20. "Shit has gotten COMPLETELY out of hand with the hate"
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People just randomly making up who to love and who to hate

  

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MothershipConnection
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22. "Out of pocket ARod hate got me fighting longtime friends here"
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> People just randomly making up who to love and who to hate

There's that, and there's also me having to go PEDs: Real Talk with cats catching baseball games and over Facebook. Weirdly enough, I basically never have the same arguments with people who are primarily NFL or NBA fans.

  

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28. "^^^ Needs its own post"
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"I basically never have the same arguments with people who are primarily NFL or NBA fans"

why does this shit matter so much in MLB

players get suspeded every other day in the NFL

granted the league usually uses some vague term and doesn't usually get into particulars

and I'm not sure the NBA tests for anything

only player I remember getting popped for peds is Turkey Glue

why is PEDs in MLB such a big fuckin deal

and not as big a deal in the NFL and NBA?

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21. "Agreed. And the post-plunking HR was pretty baller."
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24. "The hypocrisy of ARod hate right is uncanny"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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25. "Im on the fence, I wanna support him, but now suing the team doctor?"
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Is comical, him utilizing his right to appeal is fine and fair...

but he could have handled some of the other things better

  

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29. "I think the NYY and/or Cashman were trying to recoup money from"
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ARod after the doc cleared him to play and he decided he wasn't ready

it was early, before all this BS hit the fan

so I might be unclear on the details

but there was a whole power struggle between ARod and the NYY before the Biogenesis thing blew up

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27. "oh I'm loving the shit out of his madmaking"
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but snitching is a no-fly-zone

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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26. "another Jose Conseco scumbag snitch."
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