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"Jason Kidd wants Nets coaching job"


  

          

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...211403775.html


Freshly retired NBA star Jason Kidd is pursuing the Brooklyn Nets' head coaching job and his candidacy has been discussed within the highest levels of the organization, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Jason Kidd recently retired after 19 seasons in the NBA. (AP)
Kidd has been talking with associates about the possibility of making the immediate leap from a Hall of Fame playing career to a head coaching job, and has been working to identify a staff of assistant coaches who could help him overcome the significant learning curve, sources said.
The Nets have considered Indiana Pacers associate head coach Brian Shaw as their top target for the vacancy, but are competing with the Los Angeles Clippers and Denver Nuggets to secure him.
Kidd still has strong ties within the Nets' organization that he revived with consecutive NBA Finals appearances (2002 and '03). After 19 seasons in the league, Kidd retired last week after one season with the New York Knicks.
Before Kidd signed a free-agent deal with the Knicks, he considered re-joining the Nets as a backup to star point guard Deron Williams. Kidd and Williams have a strong relationship and share an agent.
Kidd retired as a 10-time All-Star, and second behind John Stockton in career assists and steals. He's considered one of the most intelligent players in the sport's history.

  

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He should've played with them last year
Jun 09th 2013
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That would be cool,seems kind of abrupt but it wouldnt take long ...
Jun 09th 2013
2
A lot of guys have taken the head job right away Bird, Doc, Zeke....
Jun 09th 2013
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      sure, and occasionally it's done successfully (wilkens, bird, et al)
Jun 09th 2013
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           I think if he can get some strong assistants he could be good, Mark...
Jun 10th 2013
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                even jackson and doc rivers worked time in broadcast
Jun 10th 2013
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he would do well IMO
Jun 09th 2013
3
"I wanna spend time with my kids....."
Jun 09th 2013
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(c) Urban Meyer
Jun 10th 2013
18
if the Nets were the Bobcats or Suns, maybe
Jun 09th 2013
6
Nets is probably his best chance to get a job though
Jun 09th 2013
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are their expectations really that high?
Jun 09th 2013
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expectations, no
Jun 09th 2013
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      i feel you, did you read araton's piece on this today?
Jun 10th 2013
29
He's looking at Mark Jackson and thinking, I was a better floor general.
Jun 10th 2013
11
      lol
Jun 10th 2013
12
           Its true; I don't necessarily agree, but I know that is his rationale
Jun 10th 2013
30
he said he was retiring to spend more time with his kids.....
Jun 10th 2013
14
???????? Yikes. Talk about mad.
Jun 10th 2013
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kidd is a d-bag, though..
Jun 10th 2013
25
the kids dont even live w/him anymore anyway, he retired bcuz he's done
Jun 13th 2013
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All for it...
Jun 10th 2013
15
first question i'd ask on an interview is at what point during this
Jun 10th 2013
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lol
Jun 10th 2013
17
Can't wait till Deron Butters gets Kidd fired
Jun 10th 2013
20
Nah, they're pretty tight
Jun 10th 2013
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lol like that matters.
Jun 10th 2013
22
so were caesar n brutus
Jun 10th 2013
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lol
Jun 10th 2013
24
and? is kidd going to call his ass out? or be his buddy?
Jun 10th 2013
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      Not saying they'll be "buddies" he'll be more of a "player's coach"...
Jun 11th 2013
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           lol @ pop as a "hard ass dinosaur"
Jun 11th 2013
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                RE: lol @ pop as a "hard ass dinosaur"
Jun 11th 2013
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                     he's got plenty of asshole in him, but the wrong kind
Jun 11th 2013
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                          That's 100% bullshit, he obviously wasn't healthy in the first half of.....
Jun 12th 2013
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                               he lit up some bad teams here and there, who cares?
Jun 14th 2013
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yeah just like Kidd did Byron
Jun 10th 2013
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lawrence frank quoted saying kidd would be a great coach
Jun 10th 2013
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Shaw needs to be head coach of the Nets
Jun 11th 2013
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good points, I agree, but the intrigue is so strong with Kidd
Jun 11th 2013
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Shaw would be great, and it'd be a good job for him
Jun 11th 2013
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Shaw needs to be head coach of the Nets
Jun 11th 2013
33
man....
Jun 11th 2013
36
On point stuff from Harvey Araton (NYT Swipe):
Jun 11th 2013
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yeah its obvious kidd had one foot out the door already
Jun 11th 2013
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Apparently he got it.
Jun 12th 2013
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Lmao @ Brian Shaw getting passed over yet again
Jun 12th 2013
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      they were never going to hire shaw, he was a 'due diligence' interview
Jun 12th 2013
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How do you go directly from player to head coach?
Jun 12th 2013
44
He got the job. Congrats! (Link)
Jun 12th 2013
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RE: He got the job. Congrats! (Link)
Jun 12th 2013
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It's gonna be hilarious when Deron gets HIM fired.
Jun 12th 2013
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Jun 12th 2013
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much like the success of the Black QBs immediately prompts
Jun 12th 2013
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so are Rambis and Cleamons
Jun 12th 2013
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      ^^^More Proof Of Feel's Greatness. Carryin Wack Coaches Like Belasterisk
Jun 14th 2013
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much like the success of the Black QBs immediately prompts
Jun 12th 2013
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Christ. Good for him, I reckon.
Jun 12th 2013
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If he had done tv for a few years would it have made any difference?
Jun 12th 2013
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That's dope how he did that shit. Fuck a break.
Jun 12th 2013
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So am I the only one in the "DUMB FUCKING IDEA" dept?
Jun 12th 2013
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on the outside..it seems very high risk/high reward
Jun 13th 2013
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Specs hiring a scapegoat.
Jun 12th 2013
59
this is actually the reason I'm for the hire
Jun 13th 2013
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Gotta say I agree
Jun 13th 2013
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I Disagree With This
Jun 13th 2013
73
apparently the Russians were pretty high on Kidd too
Jun 13th 2013
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I hope for the best but expect the worst
Jun 13th 2013
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yeah man it's like.... dawg you JUST retired?
Jun 13th 2013
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no wonder dude couldn't hit a shot. him and his agents were
Jun 13th 2013
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actually its not THAT rare, people like Don Nelson and Mike Dunleavy...
Jun 13th 2013
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      to me its not the turnaround but what Ive seen from Kidd
Jun 13th 2013
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      RE: to me its not the turnaround but what Ive seen from Kidd
Jun 14th 2013
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           IMO Kobe's thing would be like Hakeem, working one on one
Jun 14th 2013
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      it's not about being smarter, it's about distance and handling media
Jun 14th 2013
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           that's why teams have PR people and who cares anyway? Veteran...
Jun 14th 2013
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huh?
Jun 13th 2013
71
did we discuss Pewing JR's contribution?
Jun 13th 2013
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Only junior safe at Barclays is Junior's
Jun 13th 2013
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he has a good point, ewing still getting bogus ass bad team asst gigs
Jun 14th 2013
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      Let's just blame this on Dwight
Jun 14th 2013
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           always pretty easy
Jun 14th 2013
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           lol
Jun 14th 2013
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dumb question:
Jun 13th 2013
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i am sure they covered their ass
Jun 14th 2013
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      i was posing a hypothetical...not suggesting it happened.
Jun 14th 2013
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Bill Rhoden TALKIN' 'BOUT IT:
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1. "He should've played with them last year"
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2. "That would be cool,seems kind of abrupt but it wouldnt take long ..."
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for him to be ready.

i always think it's a good idea to have a year or two as an assistant to give yourself a fair chance, but if kidd thinks he can do it off the hop, then why not? he's put in plenty of time, and he was both a leader and a heady player that entire time really.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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4. "A lot of guys have taken the head job right away Bird, Doc, Zeke...."
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Vinny, Skiles...

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8. "sure, and occasionally it's done successfully (wilkens, bird, et al)"
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it's just a preference, not a hard and fast rule. i could see kidd bypassing it without much trouble.

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13. "I think if he can get some strong assistants he could be good, Mark..."
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Jackson is another that pulled it off. Its funny it seems like guys that do tv have an easier path I guess because the stay fresh in people's minds. I think Kenny Smith could've had a head coaching job a long time ago if he wanted it but he's happy with what he's doing.

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27. "even jackson and doc rivers worked time in broadcast"
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do i think that made them better suited for coaching? not really, not from an X and O standpoint.

do i think it helped remove them from the mentality of being a player? absolutely and that is significant.

it also helped them in dealing with the media side of things, which is a whole other level as a coach than even being a star player.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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3. "he would do well IMO"
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Derron Williams and Broke Lopez could do well. they young and need somebody they can relate to.

he is a smart cat and he could open up alot of areas they don't see.

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5. ""I wanna spend time with my kids.....""
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well shit.....not THAT much time."

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18. "(c) Urban Meyer"
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6. "if the Nets were the Bobcats or Suns, maybe"
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all that money and all that pressure, and you're gonna go w/ a rookie head coach? (even though he's the Nets best player since they moved to the NBA, Doc of course ABA)

I mean if it goes well so much goodwill.

If it goes bad, it will get UGLY. Quick.

  

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7. "Nets is probably his best chance to get a job though"
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regardless, whoever takes that job is in for it because that team already hit their ceiling. That roster is a hot fuckin mess of overpaid players that aren't getting any better than they are now. Doesn't matter who coaches that team, they're never going to win anything that matters.

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9. "are their expectations really that high?"
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middling eastern conference team, as long as they dont fall flat on their face, he'll be OK.

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10. "expectations, no"
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but to move to bk and get the borough/city to buy in, you can't be hawks north and be a middling 5-6 seed for 5 years. that gets old quick.

and nothing the ny media loves more than blood in the water.

if they struggle, then yormark, king and proki are idiots for hiring him so green
if the roster's flaws don't allow upgrades, then how do you put kidd in the best position to succeed or even consider an extension should he even make it to the next to last/last yr of his deal

unless cynically it's "hey we're not going anywhere but look who we got, Jason Kidd!"

which applies to Nets fans from 10 yrs ago, cause the people buying tickets in bk could give a shit about what he did for that franchise.

if they were gutting it, like the knicks did in 08 before LeBron, I could see giving it to a rookie HC, which is why I would have loved Mark Jackson getting the look.

this stuck in the mud ass roster...doesn't make sense.

  

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29. "i feel you, did you read araton's piece on this today?"
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pretty good, said a lot of things i had considered but really consolidated them in a way that made me think twice about the hire. he said a lot of the things you just mentioned as well. was in today's NYT.

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11. "He's looking at Mark Jackson and thinking, I was a better floor general."
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therefore I will be a better coach

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12. "lol"
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30. "Its true; I don't necessarily agree, but I know that is his rationale"
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14. "he said he was retiring to spend more time with his kids....."
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niggas a fucking dirtbag

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19. "???????? Yikes. Talk about mad. "
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25. "kidd is a d-bag, though.."
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history of wife-beating, last year's dui/car wreck. i'm all for second-chances but I don't think that is behavior befitting of any coach anywhere

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60. "the kids dont even live w/him anymore anyway, he retired bcuz he's done"
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but as a prideful athlete he has to spin it towards some other explanation, that being said it's not worth getting angry about.

There's many other real examples of Jason Kidd scumbaggery to choose from, like punching his wife in the face while with Phoenix or getting so shit-canned at a club in the Hamptons last summer that he had to be carried out of the place before he decided to play bumper cars with his Escalade.

  

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15. "All for it... "
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I wanted them to hire Mark Jackson badly when he was working for Yes doing their games... want Fratello now, no interest in any retread coaches and tho Shaw has paid his due I'd rather give Kidd a shot

  

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16. "first question i'd ask on an interview is at what point during this"
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past postseason would he have benched himself.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "lol"
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20. "Can't wait till Deron Butters gets Kidd fired"
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mulatto on mulatto crime.

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21. "Nah, they're pretty tight"
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22. "lol like that matters."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "so were caesar n brutus"
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24. "lol"
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28. "and? is kidd going to call his ass out? or be his buddy?"
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a lot of buddy buddy guys dont make it too far, especially since there are 11 other players on the team. you think those guys want deron to have his ass kissed MORE than it is already?

to be honest, the more i look at this, the more it could be a mistake for the nyets.

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35. "Not saying they'll be "buddies" he'll be more of a "player's coach"..."
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which is becoming the norm. Doc is a player's coach, Spo is a player's coach, Pop is pretty much the last of the old school hard ass dinosaurs. With players have the majority of the power these days that model is pretty much dead.

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37. "lol @ pop as a "hard ass dinosaur""
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the spurs' mix of futuristic approaches and old-school sensibilities is exactly what makes them work. if you think popovich is on some bob knight shit, i just dunno what to tell you.

to me the "players' coach" thing has been redefined and the first guy to do it was chuck daly. you create an environment in which the players allow you to coach them. that's the reality of the economics and, by extension, the power dynamics of pro sports today.

some guys are looser than others though. ultimate "players' coach" is mo cheeks IMO. i hope he finds the right balance in detroit, great guy, brilliant basketball mind, just needs to get the right management style.


i've never been a fan of rah rah hardasses but in the nba they are already a thing of the past.

anyway, back to kidd. all i am saying is that the relationship with deron could cut either way. right now, i am looking at deron as a guy with all the wrong things going on. consistency, conditioning, body language, role within the team, public leadership ... these are all areas where he needs a lot of work. i have some doubts about kidd as the guy to do it. they go beyond their friendship, even.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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39. "RE: lol @ pop as a "hard ass dinosaur""
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>the spurs' mix of futuristic approaches and old-school
>sensibilities is exactly what makes them work. if you think
>popovich is on some bob knight shit, i just dunno what to tell
>you.

Where did I say Pop was on some "Bob Knight shit"? That doesn't work in the NBA and its not working in college anymore either. Pop really doesn't have to do much now because he basically has 3 coaches on the floor.



>to me the "players' coach" thing has been redefined and the
>first guy to do it was chuck daly. you create an environment
>in which the players allow you to coach them. that's the
>reality of the economics and, by extension, the power dynamics
>of pro sports today.
>
>some guys are looser than others though. ultimate "players'
>coach" is mo cheeks IMO. i hope he finds the right balance in
>detroit, great guy, brilliant basketball mind, just needs to
>get the right management style.
>
>
>i've never been a fan of rah rah hardasses but in the nba they
>are already a thing of the past.
>
>anyway, back to kidd. all i am saying is that the relationship
>with deron could cut either way. right now, i am looking at
>deron as a guy with all the wrong things going on.
>consistency, conditioning, body language, role within the
>team, public leadership ... these are all areas where he needs
>a lot of work. i have some doubts about kidd as the guy to do
>it. they go beyond their friendship, even.

D-Will is fine, he just needs to get a little more asshole in him.

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41. "he's got plenty of asshole in him, but the wrong kind"
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the thing about pro sports that makes it unique is the level of passion and enthusiasm guys have for their job, competition, etc. when somebody checks out, it makes it so obvious. the guy is playing for money and the odd bit of personal satisfaction. he's got zero ownership of his role as a leader and pretty iffy commitment to getting better as a player.

loved the dude at illinois, but he's been a huge disappointment since his final year in utah.

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56. "That's 100% bullshit, he obviously wasn't healthy in the first half of....."
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the season last year but in the second half he was as good as anybody

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77. "he lit up some bad teams here and there, who cares?"
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any big playoff games? maybe one out of seven while his team lost to half of the bulls' roster?

i am telling you man i jumped ship from this guy years ago, the sooner you do the same, the better off you'll be.

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26. "yeah just like Kidd did Byron "
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dat Beige justice

  

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31. "lawrence frank quoted saying kidd would be a great coach"
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and now kidd's candidacy has heft because he'd be hiring frank as his lead assistant.

cause who doesn't want that old east rutherford magic back?

I hate being a cynical old crank but for fucks sake, y'all.

  

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32. "Shaw needs to be head coach of the Nets"
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My favourite player of the last two decades in the NBA is Kidd and i'm a long suffering Nets fan but I don't want him - at this very moment - to be head coach of the franchise.

The Nets are in a very certain position of being able to compete for a finals appearance in a weak East and we have talent on the court which was undermined by some of the worst coaching i've seen in the NBA last season by not one head coach but two head coaches: Avery and PJ Carlesimo.

There is evidence on the court with the Pacers that Brian Shaw can develop talent loo at Paul George (All Star), Roy Hibbert (max contract), Lance Stephenson (now a starter in EC finals).

Brian Shaw can run the triangle - the Nets have mostly ideal players for this.

He learnt of Phil Jackson. Kobe wanted Shaw to be the head coach of the Lakers.

Nets Fans its time for the Shaw-shank Redemption.

  

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34. "good points, I agree, but the intrigue is so strong with Kidd"
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it's like I know it's the wrong move but it's still tempting...

PJ/Avery was abysmal last season in all aspects, the team could have literally done as well with no coach on the sideline. Did an awful job of developing any young players, miscast every role player, never had a plan late in games, Shaw will improve on all of things. The only thing PJ was good at was handling the media.

Sounds like Shaw or Kidd... I'd prefer Shaw but I'll be optimistic if Kidd gets the job

  

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40. "Shaw would be great, and it'd be a good job for him"
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I worry about him maybe being overly selective and letting his time pass as a hot candidate. This would be a nice opportunity for him and he'd be a safer bet than Kidd for the Nyets IMO

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33. "Shaw needs to be head coach of the Nets"
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My favourite player of the last two decades in the NBA is Kidd and i'm a long suffering Nets fan but I don't want him - at this very moment - to be head coach of the franchise.

The Nets are in a very certain position of being able to compete for a finals appearance in a weak East and we have talent on the court which was undermined by some of the worst coaching i've seen in the NBA last season by not one head coach but two head coaches: Avery and PJ Carlesimo.

There is evidence on the court with the Pacers that Brian Shaw can develop talent loo at Paul George (All Star), Roy Hibbert (max contract), Lance Stephenson (now a starter in EC finals).

Brian Shaw can run the triangle - the Nets have mostly ideal players for this.

He learnt of Phil Jackson. Kobe wanted Shaw to be the head coach of the Lakers.

Nets Fans its time for the Shaw-shank Redemption.

  

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Call Hollins, and call it a day....

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38. "On point stuff from Harvey Araton (NYT Swipe): "
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sports/basketball/as-a-coaching-candidate-jason-kidd-is-no-slam-dunk.html?_r=0

Kidd as Nets’ Next Coach? Not So Fast
By HARVEY ARATON
MIAMI — In the interests of understanding Jason Kidd’s iconoclastic mind-set, Chauncey Billups was a suitable stand-in after news circulated Sunday night that Kidd was pursuing the Nets’ head coaching vacancy. And what veteran point guard worth his handle wouldn’t think himself capable of making the transition from player to coach in seven seconds or less?

“For a point guard, you’ve got to be thinking for everybody out there,” Billups said. “You’ve got to massage egos, got to deal with all the politics of the whole team. You’re basically already doing it.”

Billups proceeded to endorse Kidd’s candidacy, which was first reported by Yahoo Sports. “Obviously, Jason is a guy I think would do well with that,” he said.

Bill Russell won championships as a player-coach of the Boston Celtics in 1968 and 1969. Dave DeBusschere was handed the same role with an unwatchable Detroit Pistons team at 24. In semirelated news, a wrestler was elected governor of Minnesota and an action-movie actor occupied the California Statehouse.

Making Kidd the coach just weeks after he walked out of the Knicks’ locker room in Indianapolis and retired as a player would not be the most radical transaction in the history of the N.B.A., much less the country.

That does not mean it would be the best choice for the Nets as they attempt to build on this season’s successful residency in Brooklyn, or even a very wise one. In terms of giants among men, Kidd is certainly not Russell. As a leading man of unquestioned character, Kidd has a 19-year N.B.A. track record that suggests that he is no Billups, either.

The Nets should be careful not to confuse visionary point guard play with the ability of a person to see life’s big picture. Even at the advanced playing age of 40, Kidd has provided reasons to wonder just how much of a grown-up he really is outside the lines.

This is a man who, last July, drove his car into a light pole, reportedly after a night of drinking, and has been accused of everything from chronic coach killing to domestic abuse.

Before Miami routed San Antonio in Game 2 on Sunday to even the N.B.A. finals, the league honored Billups as the recipient of a new leadership award named for Jack Twyman and Maurice Stokes.

Asked about his postplaying aspirations, Billups, 36, said: “To be honest, my desire has been the front-office-type thing — president, general manager, put the team together. But it’s funny that I say that because I’m actually coaching while I’m playing now. So, do I think I could be a good coach because of my experiences now? Of course. Of course.”

No doubt Kidd expressed the same confidence when he met on Monday with the Nets’ general manager, Billy King, according to reports. Doc Rivers and Mark Jackson will hover over continuing discussions. Both were savvy point guards who, like Kidd, passed through Madison Square Garden as players and have become successful head coaches (to varying degrees) without the benefit of an assistant’s apprenticeship.

But there is an important difference in the approaches Rivers and Jackson took from the one Kidd is apparently proposing. Both transitioned out of playing by working in broadcasting. Calling games on television did not hurt their analytical skills and, in Jackson’s case, certainly raised his profile. The true benefit was that it allowed them to evolve from the lifestyle of a player and the culture of entitlement.

Kidd may think like a coach, but he still acts like a player. As he often has done when the result did not suit him, he left without talking to reporters after the final game of his career last month in Indianapolis. Is he ready to deal with hard questions every day next season and three times on game days?

It is one thing to coach talent on the court and another thing to coddle it behind closed doors. Being Deron Williams’s pal is not like having to call him out for bad body language or shot selection.

As Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich said in a parsed but mostly positive assessment of Kidd, “If he’s crazy enough to want to be a head coach in this league, I wish him all the best.”

There would be less hesitancy here to question such a move if it were made by the likes of Billups, who did not receive the inaugural Twyman/Stokes trophy by accident. Having toured the league as a young journeyman before emerging as a championship point man in Detroit, Billups was never a playmaker in Kidd’s class. But nobody had to question his character or his understanding of authority.

With Kidd, you do have to wonder about a guy who was traded for Stephon Marbury. Kidd was always a big enough star to call the shots along with the plays in Dallas, Phoenix and especially New Jersey, where his greatest hits included leaning on management to oust Byron Scott as the coach after consecutive runs to the finals.

The Nets were still a franchise run on a shoestring then. Kidd was a revelation, the best player they ever had after Julius Erving. In Brooklyn, with a handsome new arena and the Russian owner Mikhail D. Prokhorov’s billions behind them, the Nets are a joke no more. But having fired two coaches in the past six months, they should not act hastily to land a big name and tweak the Knicks.

Kidd no doubt knows the game, but do the Nets really know Kidd? Bringing him back in some capacity would be a good idea. Indulging him by putting him in charge without an intermediary step would be an unnecessary risk for the team and possibly a disservice to Kidd.

After 19 years as the brilliant maestro of basketball games, he could first use a taste of the real world. If a first-rate and overdue candidate like Brian Shaw is available, Prokhorov’s team should tell Kidd nyet, or at least not yet.

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42. "yeah its obvious kidd had one foot out the door already"
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and i wonder if his decision to sign with ny had anything to do with his coaching aspirations

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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43. "Apparently he got it."
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http://www.inquirer.com/sports/20130613_Nets_to_hire_Jason_Kidd_as_head_coach.html?authenticate=y

Lawrence Frank and possibly Tim Grgurich will be his assistant, helping lead the way.

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45. "Lmao @ Brian Shaw getting passed over yet again"
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Guess nobody wants their team running the overrated ass triangle offense

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48. "they were never going to hire shaw, he was a 'due diligence' interview"
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44. "How do you go directly from player to head coach?"
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He better get a strong supporting cast

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46. "He got the job. Congrats! (Link)"
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9378352/brooklyn-nets-hire-jason-kidd-sources?autostart=false

The Brooklyn Nets have chosen Jason Kidd as their next coach, according to sources close to the process.

Brian Shaw has been notified he is not getting the job, one source close to the process told ESPN. Sources told ESPN.com that, although Shaw had been targeted by the Nets for some time and made a strong presentation during a five-hour interview Wednesday, Kidd convinced Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov and his advisers that he is ready to jump directly into the lead seat on an NBA bench despite the fact that he has no prior coaching experience.

One source briefed on discussions went so far as telling ESPN.com on Wednesday: "The job is Jason's."

ESPN.com reported Monday that Kidd, in a sitdown Monday with Nets general manager Billy King, sold Brooklyn on the idea that the presence of former Nets and Detroit Pistons head coach Lawrence Frank can provide him with a lead assistant who can help Kidd compensate for his own lack of head-coaching experience.

One of the main draws to Kidd is the impact he has on Deron Williams. Kidd and Williams are close friends, with Kidd somewhat in the big brother role. The Nets believe that if Williams is engaged and playing his best, many of their problems are solved and the Nets are a far better team. With Kidd at the helm, they believe Williams would play at his optimum level.

The Nets did not retain P.J. Carlesimo despite the fact he went 35-19 after taking over for Avery Johnson last season. The Nets were beaten by the Chicago Bulls in the first round of the playoffs.

Information from ESPN's Stephen A. Smith, Chris Broussard and Mike Mazzeo was used in this report.

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50. "RE: He got the job. Congrats! (Link)"
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I think J Kidd can do it . I wish him all the best.

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47. "It's gonna be hilarious when Deron gets HIM fired."
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49. ""
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51. "much like the success of the Black QBs immediately prompts "
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more opportunities for Black QBs coming out of college getting drafted high...

same thing with Black coaches who were fairly recent former players...... and point guards....lol.

You see how Marc Jackson got the Warriors rollin... Jason Kidd could potentially get to that level.


B. Shaw would have been a great hire....it's crazy because he's the coaching protege of the most successful NBA coach ever in Phil Jackson...but his association to the triangle is holding him back. I thought this year with the Pacers would overcome that...it still might....but now there are some pretty dope coaches out there..

in the back of my mind I keep hoping to wake up to a story that the Lakers will let D'antoni go and bring in B. Shaw....

  

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55. "so are Rambis and Cleamons"
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>B. Shaw would have been a great hire....it's crazy because
>he's the coaching protege of the most successful NBA coach
>ever in Phil Jackson...

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75. "^^^More Proof Of Feel's Greatness. Carryin Wack Coaches Like Belasterisk"
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52. "much like the success of the Black QBs immediately prompts "
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more opportunities for Black QBs coming out of college getting drafted high...

same thing with Black coaches who were fairly recent former players...... and point guards....lol.

You see how Marc Jackson got the Warriors rollin... Jason Kidd could potentially get to that level.


B. Shaw would have been a great hire....it's crazy because he's the coaching protege of the most successful NBA coach ever in Phil Jackson...but his association to the triangle is holding him back. I thought this year with the Pacers would overcome that...it still might....but now there are some pretty dope coaches out there..

in the back of my mind I keep hoping to wake up to a story that the Lakers will let D'antoni go and bring in B. Shaw....

  

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53. "Christ. Good for him, I reckon."
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Not sure I believe in hiring a guy with zero coaching experience a month after he retires, but what the hell do I know?

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58. "If he had done tv for a few years would it have made any difference?"
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54. "That's dope how he did that shit. Fuck a break."
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I hope he does well. He's just one of those guys that seems like he'd be a good coach.

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57. "So am I the only one in the "DUMB FUCKING IDEA" dept?"
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63. "on the outside..it seems very high risk/high reward"
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so yeah it could potentially be dumb and disastrous.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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59. "Specs hiring a scapegoat."
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Unless he improves the roster, the Nets ceiling is the 2nd round and it'll be somewhat tough to reach.

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61. "this is actually the reason I'm for the hire"
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>Unless he improves the roster, the Nets ceiling is the 2nd
>round and it'll be somewhat tough to reach.

this team is not going to win a title anyway... they should be shooting for a run to the ECF though, it's a valid goal (they did sweep the Pacers during the reg season) But since you are very likely NOT going to win a title with this group anyway just get the Kidd era started. It add's excitement and he can create his own culture in a spot where they will win 45-50 games his first year.

I watched almost every Net game this year, they won 49 games DESPITE Avery's AWFUL coaching and PJ didn't add much either. If those guys could watch this team win, J-Kidd can too... I expect a HUGE year for Deron as well

  

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65. "Gotta say I agree"
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73. "I Disagree With This"
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>>Unless he improves the roster, the Nets ceiling is the 2nd
>>round and it'll be somewhat tough to reach.
They SHOULD be an ECF candidate, given the talent. They should've gotten to the 2nd round this year. They should've never lost that Game 7

>this team is not going to win a title anyway... they should be
>shooting for a run to the ECF though, it's a valid goal (they
>did sweep the Pacers during the reg season) But since you are
>very likely NOT going to win a title with this group anyway
>just get the Kidd era started. It add's excitement and he can
>create his own culture in a spot where they will win 45-50
>games his first year.
I agree with the excitement part. I also think that because they are somewhat built like the Pacers (position for position I'd give Brooklyn the edge), they should be getting to the ECF or battling whoever's in their way

>I watched almost every Net game this year, they won 49 games
>DESPITE Avery's AWFUL coaching and PJ didn't add much either.
>If those guys could watch this team win, J-Kidd can too... I
>expect a HUGE year for Deron as well
I watched most of the games as well (got the YES/MSG channels...lol)
Part of the slide was Deron's health
Part of it was Avery's coaching (too much inconsistency)
PJ did a good job, but got outcoached in the playoffs
I think the stability helps them, knowing that Kidd will be there at least a couple of years (and assuming he's got the right personnel next to him on the bench), and Deron/Joe Johnson will probably have better years. But truth be told they should have been roasted more for being a first round exit given the talent on this roster
They should get ripped if they don't make it out the first round this year. They have the talent to get to the ECF, but it depends on the matchup.

And this is coming from a Knicks fan (eff Brooklyn, but got love for Deron though).

  

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62. "apparently the Russians were pretty high on Kidd too"
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64. "I hope for the best but expect the worst"
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Kidd has never been one of the super hard working players in the league. He's got a great bball IQ, but we know that doesnt translate to coaching or front office shit.

He's gonna need to hire a bulldog lead assistant like Lawrence Frank who will spend time in the film room.

As a motivator, Kidd has also never seemed to be a great motivator (vocal or otherwise) to his teamates.

Just a really weird hire to me. There are other black coaches who wouldnt be recycled that I think deserve a shot.

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67. "yeah man it's like.... dawg you JUST retired?"
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has there EVER been a former player that transitioned to coach so quickly?

That's some Kobe-time turnaround shit

>Kidd has never been one of the super hard working players in
>the league. He's got a great bball IQ, but we know that doesnt
>translate to coaching or front office shit.

exactly.

>He's gonna need to hire a bulldog lead assistant like Lawrence
>Frank who will spend time in the film room.

yes. he's too laid back and will need the players to like him too badly, since he's just recently stopped being a player himself

>As a motivator, Kidd has also never seemed to be a great
>motivator (vocal or otherwise) to his teamates.

that drawl will put you to sleep

>Just a really weird hire to me. There are other black coaches
>who wouldnt be recycled that I think deserve a shot.

  

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69. "no wonder dude couldn't hit a shot. him and his agents were"
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already on to the next one.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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72. "actually its not THAT rare, people like Don Nelson and Mike Dunleavy..."
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jumped straight from playing to coaching, guys like Danny Ainge and Avery Johnson had a pretty quick turnaround too.

I don't think sitting in a tv studio for a few years like some other guys did make you any smarter.

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74. "to me its not the turnaround but what Ive seen from Kidd"
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kidd just hasnt shown me anything that hed make a good coach-- I know I havent seen all sides of him, but I'd personally hire Kobe in a heartbeat to coach my team the day he retires.

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76. "RE: to me its not the turnaround but what Ive seen from Kidd"
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>kidd just hasnt shown me anything that hed make a good
>coach-- I know I havent seen all sides of him, but I'd
>personally hire Kobe in a heartbeat to coach my team the day
>he retires.

That's funny because I'm probably one of the biggest Kobe fans on this board and I don't think he'd make a good coach at all, lol.

I see Kobe going the MJ route and doing the management/ownership thing.

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86. "IMO Kobe's thing would be like Hakeem, working one on one "
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with individual players trying to get to the next level. high fees for short time periods.

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81. "it's not about being smarter, it's about distance and handling media"
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you have to get the player's mindset out of you and in that gig you get to see the other side. kidd is the same guy who bailed on postgame interviews just this year following elimination. why? he wasn't dog tired or something, he wasn't so disappointed, it was a six game series that he didnt even play in, really. a head coach cannot pull that kind of thing.

you go to guys who jumped right in, a lot of them weren't that successful or happened a long time ago. shit dave debusschere, lenny wilkens, bill russell, et al, those guys were in the days of player coaches.

more recently, it seems smart to take a little time between the two gigs. with kidd, i think that's definitely true. he was a star player, that's usually a disadvantage of sorts and definitely with no transitional phase.

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87. "that's why teams have PR people and who cares anyway? Veteran..."
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coaches shit on the media all the time. Pop is exhibit A, lol

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71. "huh?"
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>Kidd has never been one of the super hard working players in
>the league.

umm you're not still playing in the league at 40 if you don't work hard.

>He's got a great bball IQ, but we know that doesnt
>translate to coaching or front office shit.
>
>He's gonna need to hire a bulldog lead assistant like Lawrence
>Frank who will spend time in the film room.
>
>As a motivator, Kidd has also never seemed to be a great
>motivator (vocal or otherwise) to his teamates.
>
>Just a really weird hire to me. There are other black coaches
>who wouldnt be recycled that I think deserve a shot.

I think you may be underestimating him. I don't think Kidd just rolled out of bed after retirement and decided he wanted to coach, I think he's been preparing for this for a while. I think he'll have a lot in his toolbag from B-Scott, Carlisle, Woodson, and even coach K, even the last Olympic team in 2012 even though Kidd wasn't on the roster he spent some time at training camp as "unofficial asst coach" working with the guards. Like you say he will need some strong assistants with him as all head coaches do but I think he can do well.

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66. "did we discuss Pewing JR's contribution?"
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dude on that avery johnson jr.


“For real though I'm mad J Kidd got a head coaching job a year after retiring n my pops been coaching 10 years n barely gets a look,” the younger Ewing tweeted.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/kidd-nets-gig-irks-ewing-jr-article-1.1371216#ixzz2W6VXNmlb

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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68. "Only junior safe at Barclays is Junior's"
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78. "he has a good point, ewing still getting bogus ass bad team asst gigs"
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for why?

pat comported himself in a much more classy fashion than kidd during his career. he was every bit as big of a star, bigger really. he's paid his dues. why is he getting a No. 2 man gig with a c-grade organization while kidd is getting star fucked?

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80. "Let's just blame this on Dwight"
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83. "always pretty easy"
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84. "lol"
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70. "dumb question:"
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If King had discussions with kidd during playoffs would that constitute tampering. I'd assume yes, right?

you know dolan got a team of like 50 people looking into this.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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79. "i am sure they covered their ass"
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every hire comes from an organization in some capacity. why is it that every time this happens, people shout TAMPERING! it's extremely rare that teams do anything actionable. they are not stupid. well, the knicks and nets are stupid, but not that stupid.

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85. "i was posing a hypothetical...not suggesting it happened."
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wasn't sure if it would constitute tampering or not.

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82. "Bill Rhoden TALKIN' 'BOUT IT: "
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http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/video-style-over-substance-in-kidd-hire/?smid=fb-share

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