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Frank Longo
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"Northwestern football players win their petition to unionize."


  

          

Breaking on ESPN. HUGE.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

Northwestern Wildcats football players and the College Athletes Players Association on Wednesday won their petition through the National Labor Relations Board to form a union and bargain for benefits.

As a result, Northwestern players will hold a vote on whether to unionize, a decision that will clearly impact college football and college sports generally. Northwestern said in a statement that it will appeal the decision.

"While we respect the NLRB process and the regional director's opinion, we disagree with it. Northwestern believes strongly that our student-athletes are not employees, but students," the university's statement read. "Unionization and collective bargaining are not the appropriate methods to address the concerns raised by student-athletes."

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Woah, didn't think they could actually win
Mar 26th 2014
1
huh, I figured NCAA's only hope was to delay so long...
Mar 26th 2014
17
peace out, ncaa
Mar 26th 2014
2
i read this as peace out nicca. you not slick shells.
Mar 27th 2014
26
If it sticks, maybe the most momentous legal decision is college sports
Mar 26th 2014
3
I'll raise you a "sports" or even a "labor"
Mar 26th 2014
4
      care to expound?
Mar 26th 2014
11
           Happily
Mar 26th 2014
12
                yeah, potential reformation of institutional structure is biggest to me
Mar 26th 2014
18
Wow. I'm shocked. I'll be even more surprised if it holds up on appeal
Mar 26th 2014
5
NCAA HAS to be sweatin'
Mar 26th 2014
6
http://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/norma-rae1.jpg
Mar 26th 2014
7
I'm hearing the NCAA is trying make concessions
Mar 26th 2014
16
For those who want to read the whole decision:
Mar 26th 2014
8
ch-ch-ch-ch-changes...
Mar 26th 2014
9
this wasn't a court decision, though
Mar 26th 2014
10
good point
Mar 26th 2014
13
Doesn't matter, though.
Mar 26th 2014
14
      oh it's definitely a big deal
Mar 26th 2014
19
           Here's your mistake
Mar 26th 2014
20
           touche. counterpoint - replies 1, 3, and 5
Mar 26th 2014
21
                Just so you don't think I'm some big dummy...
Mar 27th 2014
25
                My mistake
Mar 27th 2014
28
           the final NLRB ruling from their appeals board will be huge
Mar 26th 2014
23
           well, Chicago Tribune + N'Western seem to think so, too, in post #22
Mar 27th 2014
29
what's the problem? bosses said they can take 10s off every playclock
Mar 26th 2014
15
As of right now this only applies to athletes with scholarships
Mar 26th 2014
22
Taxman Knockin?
Mar 26th 2014
24
Mar 27th 2014
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remember when ppl here argued against paying college athletes?
Mar 27th 2014
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This dude i used to work with who played at Nebraska
Mar 27th 2014
30
is this all sarcasm?
Mar 27th 2014
31
no.
Mar 27th 2014
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      I wouldn't entertain it but...
Mar 27th 2014
33
           Comes from Colorado, played at Nebraska....
Mar 27th 2014
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                Yep.
Mar 27th 2014
36
                     The reason I asked
Mar 27th 2014
39
Yes, of course. This is the next step in the Evil Liberal Plot
Mar 27th 2014
35
The argument I hear a lot is basically 'how do we keep the status quo'
Mar 27th 2014
37
I can't wait to see all the old white people mad af on ESPN nm.
Mar 27th 2014
38
and it begins...
Mar 27th 2014
40
Players vote today. But seriously, Fuck Northwestern and the coaches for...
Apr 25th 2014
42
that's pretty standard anti-Union stuff, none of it is illegal
Apr 25th 2014
43
Wait, aren't the faculty members at Northwestern part of a union?
Apr 25th 2014
44
      almost definitely not
Apr 25th 2014
45
           Gotcha
Apr 25th 2014
46

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1. "Woah, didn't think they could actually win"
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I wonder if this will wind up going to the Supreme Court.

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17. "huh, I figured NCAA's only hope was to delay so long..."
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the leadership graduated and packed up and left. I'm mainly just surprised at the NLRB being able to turn it around this quick. Of course it will be more court challenges upcoming, but I always figured the students right to unionized would never be questioned. The NCAA has just been skating by because student-athletes weren't able to organize with, essentially, the high rate of turnover in the ranks.

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2. "peace out, ncaa"
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26. "i read this as peace out nicca. you not slick shells."
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you not slick.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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3. "If it sticks, maybe the most momentous legal decision is college sports"
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Of the last 30 years


does it really matter?

  

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4. "I'll raise you a "sports" or even a "labor" "
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>Of the last 30 years

  

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11. "care to expound?"
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i'm not disagreeing at all, i think it's huge, but i'm curious.

what are the ramifications for labor outside of college athletics?

what would you say is currently the biggest legal decision or legislation for labor in the last 30 years?

i'm not trying to interrogate you but i don't know shit about labor law and i'm curious. possibly a labor lawyer friend might be better to ask tho.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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12. "Happily"
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>i'm not disagreeing at all, i think it's huge, but i'm
>curious.
>
>what are the ramifications for labor outside of college
>athletics?
>
>what would you say is currently the biggest legal decision or
>legislation for labor in the last 30 years?
>
>i'm not trying to interrogate you but i don't know shit about
>labor law and i'm curious. possibly a labor lawyer friend
>might be better to ask tho.

- Its affects orders of magnitude more people than the Curt
Flood decision, which is landmark in the history of labor
law

- At its core is the basic definition of amateurism, which is
a big deal, is child labor laws-ish in spirit

- It affects institutions of higher learning: their admissions
policies (let's see if the lower academic standards stick if
the athletes aren't generating revenue), which in turns affects
the makeup of classes, which affects graduation rates, and alumni
giving, and fundraising, and research and everything else that
universities do

I don't know what is going to happen, but this is not small
news, and the ISSUE as a WHOLE is as big a labor issue as
you're going find these days



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18. "yeah, potential reformation of institutional structure is biggest to me"
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>- It affects institutions of higher learning: their
>admissions
>policies (let's see if the lower academic standards stick if
>the athletes aren't generating revenue), which in turns
>affects
>the makeup of classes, which affects graduation rates, and
>alumni
>giving, and fundraising, and research and everything else that

And it isn't just private universities that will be affected by this. The entire way states regulate and fund collegiate institutions could potentially be altered or tweaked by the fallout. Like how much does the publicly funded University of Oregon pay for administering football games? If the athletes become employees, how much other Oregon state laws must then apply? Do they get paid time off? Do they have to watch sexual harassment training videos? What about potential discrimination cases when White Family X feels like their kid isn't getting as many scholarship offers because they read Caste Football too much? Etc. and so on. The legal tail of this is potentially never-ending...

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5. "Wow. I'm shocked. I'll be even more surprised if it holds up on appeal"
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6. "NCAA HAS to be sweatin'"
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7. "http://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/norma-rae1.jpg"
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16. "I'm hearing the NCAA is trying make concessions"
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Implement some of the plan then appeal.

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8. "For those who want to read the whole decision:"
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Some ether bombs within:

http://mynlrb.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d4581667b6f

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9. "ch-ch-ch-ch-changes..."
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i'd like to real-time watch each side when it's time to negotiate the next tv deals.

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10. "this wasn't a court decision, though"
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this was the NLRB accepting their petition to vote on unionization. I believe there's still a court case pending on whether or not that decision will hold weight.

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13. "good point"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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14. "Doesn't matter, though. "
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This decision means that they continue to pressure this
issue for the next 50 years until this dumb shit falls

This isn't an open and shut case


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19. "oh it's definitely a big deal"
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but I've been seeing replies on here and on FB that give the indication that there are people thinking this was a court ruling, and wondering if the supreme court will hear an appeal.

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20. "Here's your mistake"
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>and on FB



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21. "touche. counterpoint - replies 1, 3, and 5"
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Wed Mar-26-14 09:26 PM by KosherSam

  

          

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25. "Just so you don't think I'm some big dummy..."
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I recognize that this wasn't a court case. It was a regional NLRB ruling. However, the NCAA can still appeal to the full federal NLRB.

  

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28. "My mistake"
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23. "the final NLRB ruling from their appeals board will be huge"
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whatever the NLRB decides, the article III courts have to let it stand unless it's obviously fucked up or manifestly unreasonable.

still, i'm sure certain judges will find a way to have labor lose

  

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29. "well, Chicago Tribune + N'Western seem to think so, too, in post #22"
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"Northwestern immediately said it will appeal to the NLRB in Washington, and experts anticipate the case ultimately could be heard by the Supreme Court."

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15. "what's the problem? bosses said they can take 10s off every playclock"
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22. "As of right now this only applies to athletes with scholarships"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-northwestern-union-bid-20140326,0,247403,full.story

Northwestern ruling could 'rattle the universe of universities'
By Alejandra Cancino, Tribune reporter
9:12 p.m. CDT, March 26, 2014

Northwestern University football players on scholarship are employees of the school and therefore entitled to hold an election to decide whether to unionize, an official of the National Labor Relations Board ruled Wednesday.

The stunning decision, coming after a push by former quarterback Kain Colter backed by organized labor, has the potential to shake up the world of big-time college sports.

The National Collegiate Athletic Association and universities set the rules and cut the lucrative deals with TV networks and sponsors, exerting near total control over the activities of players known as "student athletes." But now those football players, at least at Northwestern, are employees too and may seek collective bargaining status, according to the 24-page ruling by Peter Sung Ohr, the regional director of the NLRB.

Ohr's decision is "revolutionary for college sports," said Robert McCormick, a professor emeritus at the Michigan State University College of Law who focuses on sports and labor law.

Experts said the ruling could have wide impact beyond Northwestern's locker room, potentially influencing other players, schools, and state and federal agencies. For example, McCormick said that if college players demand compensation for injuries suffered during training or a game, Ohr's opinion could raise the question of whether they should be treated as employees under the state Workers' Compensation Act.

The decision also opens the door for athletes with scholarships at public universities to move more quickly to unionize because state labor boards, which govern public universities, usually follow labor law interpretations issued by the NLRB.

There were many questions left unanswered, including whether a union vote among Northwestern players would succeed, but Ohr's decision is preliminary. Northwestern immediately said it will appeal to the NLRB in Washington, and experts anticipate the case ultimately could be heard by the Supreme Court.

"Northwestern believes strongly that our student-athletes are not employees, but students," Northwestern said in a statement. "Unionization and collective bargaining are not the appropriate methods to address the concerns raised by student-athletes."

Northwestern's football players are the first in college sports to seek union representation. Behind the effort is the College Athletes Players Association, or CAPA, a union funded by Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA linebacker who has become an advocate for players' rights. CAPA is backed by the United Steelworkers, which is covering the group's legal expenses.

"This is a huge step toward justice for college athletes," Huma said.

He said the NCAA invented the term "student-athletes" 60 years ago in an attempt to prevent students from unionizing. Wednesday's decision, he said, asserts the rights of college athletes under labor law.

The union has said it would seek to negotiate over health and safety issues and does not intend to push for "pay-for-play" wages, which are not allowed under regulations issued by the NCAA.

Among its demands, CAPA is seeking financial coverage for former players with sports-related medical expenses, independent concussion experts to be placed on the sidelines during games and the creation of an educational trust fund to help former players graduate.

It also wants players to receive compensation for commercial sponsorships, which it says is consistent with "evolving" NCAA regulations.

In siding with the union, Ohr said the football players primarily have an economic relationship with the university, which controls and directs their daily activities and compensates them in the form of scholarships, which are worth about $76,000 per academic year if the player enrolls in summer classes.

"The record makes clear that the employer's scholarship players are identified and recruited in the first instance because of their football prowess and not because of their academic achievement in high school," Ohr wrote.

Football players with scholarships, he said, "fall squarely" within in the labor law's definition of an employee. Ohr said those players spend many more hours on their football duties than on their studies. Furthermore, he said, the players are subject to special rules and policies that do not govern the general student population.

For example, he said, freshmen and sophomore students on scholarships are required to live on campus. Upperclassmen, he added, can live off campus but are required to submit their lease for approval to their coach, Pat Fitzgerald.

"Even the players' academic lives are controlled as evidenced by the fact that they are required to attend study hall if they fail to maintain a certain grade-point average (GPA) in their classes," Ohr wrote.

Northwestern argued that the term "student athlete" is still appropriate. "We believe that participation in athletic events is part of the overall educational experience for those students, not a separate activity."

The school had said that if the students were to be found to be its employees, they would be "temporary employees" and could not engage in collective bargaining.

Ohr disagreed. Per NCAA rules, he said, the players remain on the team for at most five years, but "given the substantial length of the players' employment it is clear that they cannot be found to be temporary employees under Board law."

Last month, Colter, the union's star witness, described the grueling football schedule that led him to drop his pre-med course load and switch to a less-demanding major.

Colter spoke of 50- to 60-hour workweeks and a coach who was "the bossman." He stressed that participating in football was a job, and as a result of it, he couldn't pursue his dream of becoming an orthopedic surgeon.

On Wednesday, Colter, who is training in Florida preparing for his April pro day before May's NFL draft, was getting ready for practice when he saw a message from the union's attorney.

"We won!" he yelled. A coach and others around him congratulated him, and he called family members, starting with his mom, Colter said.

He said he has been through a roller coaster of emotions since the union filed an election petition in January.

"I knew there would be some criticism, but people made it seem something that it wasn't," Colter said, adding that the story was portrayed as him vs. the coach.

Colter said he loves Northwestern and thinks Fitzgerald is the "best coach in the nation," but that doesn't take away from the fact that college football players are employees of the university and have the right to unionize, he said.

Colter said he is confident that if an election were held soon, the majority of Northwestern football players would vote to unionize. In January, he said, nearly 100 percent of players with scholarships signed union cards, and he believes they still feel the same way.

The union is not trying to organize walk-ons because they are not compensated via scholarships by the university and therefore are not considered employees.

A Northwestern scholarship player, who declined to be identified, said he was happy being a student-athlete at Northwestern and uncertain how he would vote, but he understood Colter's argument for unionization.

"I think it would benefit us because the NCAA is kind of backwards in how they kind of put restrictions on student-athletes," the player said.

William Gould IV, a former chairman of the NLRB, said Ohr's decision offers a thorough, factual examination of the issues and he is confident the NLRB will uphold it.

"This is a landmark decision," Gould said. "This is going to rattle the universe of universities."

Tribune reporters Teddy Greenstein and Christopher Hine contributed.

  

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24. "Taxman Knockin?"
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If they start being treated like employees, then some portions of scholarships have potential to become taxable income.


http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch01.html#en_US_2013_publink1000178011

  

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41. ""
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/27/accountant-union-status-could-be-hornets-nest-for-northwestern-players/

Accountant: Union Status Could Be Hornets Nest For Northwestern Players
March 27, 2014 1:26 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) With the National Labor Relations Boards regional director in Chicago deciding Northwestern University football players qualify as employees of the university comes the question of whether theyd have to pay taxes on their scholarships.

Linda Formans accounting firm overlooks Northwestern Universitys Evanston campus. Shes a former vice president of the Illinois CPA Society, and she said Northwestern football players might not have thought about all the ramifications of being called employees of the school.

Its just a hornets nest, she said.

Forman said IRS could view their scholarships as income.

They would have to look long and hard on how theyre going to structure this, because theyre going to have a lot of 18- to 22-year-olds with no visible means for paying for this tax, she said. Income taxes on those scholarships could amount to a third of their value.

Base tuition at Northwestern University is about $45,000 a year. If thats viewed by the IRS as income, Forman said it would be taxed. Social Security and Medicare deductions also would be made, not to mention what Uncle Sam and the State of Illinois would get in taxes. She said it would be a significant financial hit for an 18- to 22-year-old.

However, Forman said the IRS might instead view the scholarships as tuition reductions, which many universities give to their employees. Then it would be tax-free.

  

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27. "remember when ppl here argued against paying college athletes?"
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30. "This dude i used to work with who played at Nebraska"
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no shit. This dude was 3rd generation legacy at Nebraska and came from an upper middle class family from Colorado. Your circumstances are different ass.


I usually would not chime in on this type of issue, but today's ruling at Northwestern with the football team "unionizing" is just wrong. Yes, colleges are making a ton of money from top sports programs, and while I can see how the players could argue that they are the ones making it for them, and should get a share, I just find it CRAZY! It is an honor to play for a college and wear that name on your jersey. Many athletes are already on full rides and get stipends for living expenses, so they will leave college debt free (and possibly with some money if they use it wisely). What happened to the days when people were just proud to be a part of something great? What's next, do we start paying the 8-10 year old kids who are committing early (according to rivals.com), since they are the ones who bring the crowds to their games and should get part of the snack bar profits? COME ON PEOPLE!


So if they are employees do they get taxed as any other working person? If so they have to pay tax on their scholarship as well than! See if they like that and I bet you will see the tide turn lol
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If players get paid then they should have to pay for their benefits, their scholarship, their fees to the training table, all those personal sessions with the strength and conditioning coaches, their pads and equipment, housing, therapy rehab, tutoring sessions... Gosh things will sure add up quickly for all those student-athletes who want to be payed and the coaches/admins/education professionals will really cash in on a large pay day then.

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31. "is this all sarcasm?"
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Plz say yes

  

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32. "no."
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im considering whether or not i want to waste a work day in a back n forth with him

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33. "I wouldn't entertain it but..."
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Let me guess, dude is white.


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34. "Comes from Colorado, played at Nebraska...."
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... show me WHITE! *ding*

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36. "Yep. "
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The thing is though, lots of college athletes are white just like him unfortunately.

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39. "The reason I asked"
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This issue is pretty much divided down racial lines. There was a recent survey that was done (I'll try to locate it) that showed minorities as a whole felt college athletes should be paid while on a whole whites felt they should not.



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35. "Yes, of course. This is the next step in the Evil Liberal Plot"
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>What's next, do we start paying the 8-10 year old kids
>who are committing early (according to rivals.com), since they
>are the ones who bring the crowds to their games and should
>get part of the snack bar profits?

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37. "The argument I hear a lot is basically 'how do we keep the status quo'"
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People who are against paying NCAA players argue that it's going to fundamentally change and ruin college athletics. I say good. The entire system is broken and needs to be completely overhauled. Starting with athletic scholarships.

The concept of receiving a scholarship solely for your ability to play a sport is puzzling to me and needs to be reevaluated. How/When did this become the standard practice?

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38. "I can't wait to see all the old white people mad af on ESPN nm."
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40. "and it begins..."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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42. "Players vote today. But seriously, Fuck Northwestern and the coaches for..."
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http://deadspin.com/northwestern-goes-union-busting-1567067701

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179534/breaking-law-northwestern-football-coach-pressures-players-not-unionize

  

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43. "that's pretty standard anti-Union stuff, none of it is illegal"
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Deadspin has the quote from an NLRB lawyer towards the bottom of the article saying basically that -- it's been done before and it doesn't break any laws. It's why unions have professional organizers, because these sorts of things aren't won without campaigns.

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44. "Wait, aren't the faculty members at Northwestern part of a union?"
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45. "almost definitely not"
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faculty generally are non-unionized professionals at the college level (especially large research schools where people are trying to get that dough via research grants). the AAUP isn't a union.

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46. "Gotcha"
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I was under the impression most schools had Teachers Unions. Good to know.


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