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bwood
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"Robert Downey Jr. is Doctor Doom"


          

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty is now now Avengers: Doomsday. Scerct Wars is still the same.


The Russo Brothers are back directing both as is RDJ as Doctor Doom.

I'm sorry, but this is lame.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/robert-downey-jr-doctor-doom-avengers-1235960026/

In a multiverse-melting surprise, Marvel Studios revealed that its most bankable star will be coming out of MCU retirement for a pair of Avengers movies.

Robert Downey Jr. is set to return to the film franchise as classic Fantastic Four villain Doctor Doom for the newly titled Avengers: Doomsday, due out in May 2026, and Avengers: Secret Wars, bowing in May 2027. Kevin Feige also officially confirmed the Russo bros. will direct these next two Avengers films.

Downey became one of the biggest movie stars in the world after launching the Marvel Cinematic Universe with 2008’s Iron Man. His work helped propel the MCU to become the highest grossing film franchise of all time — and he was handsomely rewarded, earning $50 million paydays in the process. Downey retired from the role of Tony Stark/Iron Man with 2019’s Avengers: Endgame, in which his character died saving the universe. It’s been a challenge for Marvel to find a protagonist to replace the large hole left by Downey, giving Saturday’s announcement all the more meaning.

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This absolutely stinks of desperation and garbage
Jul 28th 2024
1
These are now big budget fan films.
Jul 28th 2024
2
      This is for the dollars
Jul 28th 2024
3
           No snark or anything...
Aug 03rd 2024
25
They should’ve recast T’Challa with an A-list star
Jul 28th 2024
4
With T'Challa, the obvious answer, to me, was Michael B. Jordan
Jul 28th 2024
5
Couldn't they have had Michael B Jordan just have a change of heart?
Aug 03rd 2024
26
      RE: Couldn't they have had Michael B Jordan just have a change of heart?
Aug 03rd 2024
28
           That's certainly possible. I didn't think of that possibility.
Aug 05th 2024
31
i havent found the TV shows to be mediocre
Jul 29th 2024
10
I don't really know how to feel.
Jul 28th 2024
6
This news overshadowed the F4 teaser trailer with Galactus
Jul 29th 2024
7
break glass in case of Multivergency
Jul 29th 2024
8
imagine Viggo Mortensen or Mads Mikkelsen or Ed Harris
Jul 30th 2024
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      My friend brought up Javier Bardem
Jul 30th 2024
14
           That would rule
Jul 31st 2024
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           i dont see Javier Bardem as vainly obsessed with his appearance
Jul 31st 2024
16
                I think he could pull that off
Jul 31st 2024
18
People have been overreacting about the movies for a while now...
Jul 29th 2024
9
shoulda been Julian McMahon, done the right way.
Jul 29th 2024
11
The deals made for this to happen are obscene.
Jul 30th 2024
12
I think they obviously got a ROI with him as Stark
Jul 31st 2024
17
If you're spending ~200 mil on the director and *one* actor...
Aug 01st 2024
20
      Perhaps I'm thinking about this wrong
Aug 01st 2024
22
      They wanted a stunt, and stunts are expensive.
Aug 02nd 2024
24
      A bit odd, sure.
Aug 05th 2024
30
      I thought this was crazy when first read it...
Aug 03rd 2024
27
Pretty wild to think Terrence Howard
Aug 01st 2024
21
I love it. I just hope RDJ plays Doom differently than Tony
Aug 01st 2024
19
Yall crazy. This is an inspired turn.
Aug 02nd 2024
23
was definitely a head scratcher
Aug 05th 2024
29
RE: was definitely a head scratcher
Aug 05th 2024
32
      RE: was definitely a head scratcher
Aug 06th 2024
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Rumor says Mads Mikkelsen was supposed to play Doom
Aug 22nd 2024
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1. "This absolutely stinks of desperation and garbage"
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Absolute joke. There is no way this was decided for story purposes, this was done to shape the story around brining Downey Jr back. So dumb. There are plenty of other actors that could have played the real Doom, not what im assuming is going to be some stupid Tony Stark variant.

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2. "These are now big budget fan films."
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Rooting for Fantastic Four and Black Captain America, but if I wasn't getting press screenings, I'd tap out.

As of now, I hope the two above are good as well as the Daredevil show and whatever Ryan Coogler is doing of the third Black Panther movie.

Otherwise this shit is strictly for fans in the worst way possible.

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3. "This is for the dollars"
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DP and Wolvie will make money, but what's next? They know the only way to save their MCU cash cow is to pander to the fanbase. Cap Brave New World is pandering with Red Hulk, and F4 is pandering, which felt like a snap decision.

The Majors' situation really messed up their plans. They've been floundering on how to pivot and save the MCU. Pandering has been the only solution so far. What's better than bringing RDJ back with the Russos?

It's all strictly for fans because they know those folks are the ones they can get the most dollars out of.

At the end of the day, Disney has to save its bottom line.

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25. "No snark or anything..."
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Genuinely curious... how is F4 pandering? what was the snap decision?

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4. "They should’ve recast T’Challa with an A-list star"
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that would’ve solved a lot of their floundering

They should’ve not made so many mediocre TV shows

They should’ve taken a cold turkey 2 year break after Endgame

They should’ve skipped Eternals altogether, Shang-Chi too



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5. "With T'Challa, the obvious answer, to me, was Michael B. Jordan"
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But of course, he was already in the series, and I don't know how you get around recasting the actor who played the villain in the previous movie as the hero in the sequal. I know Coogler is a genius, but...

Besides him, maybe they choose a woman, but someone more bankable than Letitia?

I'm sure Feige wanted to center BP as one of the central figures of the new Phase, post-Downey. But when Chadwick died, it took the wind under his sails. And once it seemed like things had rebalanced, Majors' incident happened and they're now back in crisis mode.

The elephant in the room is the massive amount of money Disney leveraged in the merger with Fox and the creative handcuffs on its content that resulted.

Maybe if Disney was in its previous form, it would be less vulnerable to pressure and influence from Wall Street. They'd be able to be more ambitious or risky with their choices. Now, they have to do everything to justify that decision to merge with Fox at all turns.

It's ironic because we were all salivating at the potential of merging the IP of both studios. Now, it's unclear if the public will get anything that matches our appetite.

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26. "Couldn't they have had Michael B Jordan just have a change of heart?"
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28. "RE: Couldn't they have had Michael B Jordan just have a change of heart?"
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his character...

Brought him back winning over Wakanda and going fwd with him as BP?

Seems like logical move to me. Unless MBJ didn't want do it.

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31. "That's certainly possible. I didn't think of that possibility."
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I think your idea could have worked. I don't doubt Coogler could have written the plot in a way that would have made Killmonger's turn believable.

Since they were tapping into the multiverse, I'm sure there would be a coherent way of explaining the change.

But, maybe they approached Jordan and he simply didn't want to commit long-term or for another reason.

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10. "i havent found the TV shows to be mediocre"
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i liked Hawkeye, Falcon & WS, Ms. Marvel, and She Hulk. everybody loved WandaVision and Loki. didnt watch Secret Invasion so i dont think ive seen one i didnt enjoy

also, Shang Chi?? that movie was fuckin awesome. my wife doesnt give 2 shits about comic books and she really liked it as well.

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6. "I don't really know how to feel."
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Is it RDJ-as-Stark as Dr. Doom?

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7. "This news overshadowed the F4 teaser trailer with Galactus"
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Looks like people weren't supposed to be recording the trailer but some folk still snuck out their phones. But that got me hyped that we finally will get a physical form of Galactus on screen. Can't wait to legit clearly see the trailer.

  

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8. "break glass in case of Multivergency"
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Doesn’t matter if he’s playing Doom straight up or a Stark Variant or whatever the fuck. This is the safest and most uninspired casting. Good for him for getting the bag, and I’m sure he’ll be good in the role, but this is a panic move and I think it’s lame. Let’s make a new star rather than go back to the well.

  

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13. "imagine Viggo Mortensen or Mads Mikkelsen or Ed Harris"
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14. "My friend brought up Javier Bardem"
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He’d be perfect

  

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15. "That would rule "
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16. "i dont see Javier Bardem as vainly obsessed with his appearance"
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thats why Julian McMahon was so perfect the first time around. we'd already seen him as pre-Doom Victor for 2 seasons of Nip/Tuck.

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18. "I think he could pull that off"
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>thats why Julian McMahon was so perfect the first time
>around. we'd already seen him as pre-Doom Victor for 2
>seasons of Nip/Tuck.

But Julian McMahon definitely nailed that aspect of the character.

  

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9. "People have been overreacting about the movies for a while now..."
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...but I can't clap to this decision.

If nothing else, Victor Von Doom is a really awesome character. And one that would translate well to the screen in the MCU. Even if this is just a variant, it's not particularly interesting.

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11. "shoulda been Julian McMahon, done the right way."
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12. "The deals made for this to happen are obscene."
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I'm never mad at someone getting the bag at corporate expense (Shout out to Snyder for getting that Netflix money. He's a perfect fit there), but this shit is just greed.

So much money spent already without a single frame shot.

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/robert-downey-jr-doctor-doom-avengers-pay-salary-russo-brothers-1236089512/

Behind Robert Downey Jr. and the Russo Brothers’ Mega ‘Avengers’ Paydays

By Tatiana Siegel

After a bruising year, Marvel is returning to the very things that worked in the past. That means reuniting with franchise crown jewel Robert Downey Jr. as well as the Russo brothers, who directed the two most successful movies for the studio with “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Avengers: Endgame.”

But bringing back key members of the old gang won’t come cheap. Sources say Marvel is plunking down $80 million for Anthony and Joe Russo to direct “Avengers: Doomsday” and “Avengers: Secret Wars” and “significantly more” for Downey to tackle uber-villain Doctor Doom in the two tentpoles. The Russos’ deal doesn’t include back-end compensation, but it does contain performance escalators that kick in at the $750 million and $1 billion thresholds. The brothers also will produce the two films via their AGBO banner. That marks something of a departure for Marvel, which typically doesn’t work with outside producers, preferring to keep the team in house.


For Downey, who helped catapult Marvel into a money-printing machine thanks to his turn as Tony Stark in the first “Iron Man” film in 2008, his deal also is filled with perks that include private jet travel, dedicated security and a whole “trailer encampment” for the newly minted Oscar winner. (Downey took home this year’s best supporting actor honors for his role in “Oppenheimer.”)

According to one knowledgeable source, Downey is by far the highest-paid member of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and has pulled down between $500 million and $600 million over the course of four “Avengers” movies, three “Iron Man” outings and cameos in “The Incredible Hulk,” “Captain America: Civil War” and “Spider-Man: Homecoming.”


Still, some changes are in order. While the Russo brothers’ previous two “Avengers” movies shot in Atlanta, the new outings will be filmed in London beginning in the second quarter of 2025.

Although Marvel had become the most dominant brand in cinema over its first 30 films, it began to show cracks in 2023, with a ho-hum “Ant-Man” sequel that brought in just $476 million worldwide, coupled with a disastrous “The Marvels,” which barely cleared the $200 million mark globally. Adding to the angst on the Burbank lot, the entire future “Avengers” arc that centered on villain Kang had to be scrapped amid actor Jonathan Majors’ legal troubles. (Marvel parent company Disney cut ties with Majors hours after he was convicted of assault and harassment stemming from an altercation with his girlfriend at the time.) In short order, director Destin Daniel Cretton exited “Avengers: Kang Dynasty.”


Variety previously reported in a cover story on the studio’s woes that Marvel was considering pivoting from Kang to Doctor Doom as Majors’ problems mounted and that chief Kevin Feige was keen to bring back Downey, who will segue from his Broadway debut in Ayad Akhtar’s “mcneal” in the fall to preproduction on “Avengers” in the new year.

Sources say Downey, who is repped by WME, agreed to return to the MCU if the Russos, who are CAA clients, would be directing. “They were the only ones he would work with,” says a source familiar with the dealmaking.


After all, the brothers’ two “Avengers” movies earned a whopping $4.851 billion combined. As Marvel looks to regain its footing, a Downey/Russos reteaming is “a perfect combination of timing and everyone being on the same page,” says one executive close to the project.

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17. "I think they obviously got a ROI with him as Stark"
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But this expense pretty hard to justify

  

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20. "If you're spending ~200 mil on the director and *one* actor..."
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... then your budget for this is easily going to approach a billion dollars. Which makes your budget once marketing and everything else is added closer to 2-2.5 billion. So anything short of an Endgame-level return is going to be a loss.

And if it tops out at, like, 1.5 billion, as *merely* one of the top ten movies in box office history? Your company could lose, like, a billion dollars, lol.

It's one thing to do this when you're James Cameron, and crossing 2 billion dollars is kind of just what you do every time out, lol. But for Marvel to decide to shove all their chips on the table betting the audience is as excited for whatever this'll be as it was for Endgame is... maybe not what I would've personally done? We'll see!

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22. "Perhaps I'm thinking about this wrong"
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or I'm too old fashioned, but assuming RDJ will be the top paid actor for this Doom/Avengers flick; isn't it a bit odd for the antagonist to be the top paid actor for a movie since the audience is supposed to identify most with the protagonist?

I get it from Marvel's perspective somewhat in backing up the Brinks truck for RDJ since he was one of the first Marvel superstars to kick off these Disney flicks, but it's still wild that the villain will be the top billed actor, muchless that it appears RDJ will be calling shots on the movie set since he hand picked the Russo Bros. to direct this flick.

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24. "They wanted a stunt, and stunts are expensive."
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It's possible they don't give him top billing-- maybe they do "and Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom." But yeah, he's very clearly calling the shots. The whole thing reeks of corporate desperation.

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30. "A bit odd, sure."
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But it's been done before. I'm sure there are other examples, but the biggest one I could think of was Batman with Jack Nicholson getting top billing over Keaton.

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27. "I thought this was crazy when first read it..."
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then googled Endgame budget which was over 350 million.
Marketing was north of 200.

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21. "Pretty wild to think Terrence Howard"
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made more than RDJ in the first Iron Man movie.

Damn.

And damn again.

Not that I'll see this flick, but am I correct in assuming the Russo brothers are going to write the script for this upcoming flick? I didn't see any mention of the writers for the movie, which I would think matters a ton in terms of the movie being decent.

Pretty interesting for RDJ to be willing to go back to the Marvel drawing board after winning his Oscar. Somewhat cool to see that he doesn't take himself or acting too seriously, but that's an insane amount of greenbacks for this flick.

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19. "I love it. I just hope RDJ plays Doom differently than Tony"
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He is a great actor. I believe in this.

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23. "Yall crazy. This is an inspired turn. "
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A reset and return to what works.

And there is basis in the comics for you.

One thing I think one thing the MCU has over the comics is the comics got too complicated and sprawling and impossible to keep up with.

The MCU does a better job of streamlining and showing the interconnected ness of all the characters. Makin the universe more manageable.



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29. "was definitely a head scratcher"
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MCU is starting to look like DCEU, abandoning story telling and character development and instead going for glitz and glamour.

I contend Endgame was aptly named because it signaled the end of the MCU that many had come to know and love. They went against the spirit of their story telling and the essence of what made them a phenomenon. Been beating this drum for 5 years but I'll do it again, but it centers around Black Widow and Hulk.

- Russos had no idea how to handle Hulk and benched him for the biggest brawl ever, and never allowed him for some get-back v. Thanos, even though it was a *different Thanos. He stole the show in the Avengers in just a few scenes. They wasted him.

- Sacrificed one of the more compelling Avengers for one of the least interesting. Barton already had his gimme when Quicksilver saved him in AOU. He had become something else when his family vanished and should have made the sacrifice so that his family only knew the good Clint, not the Ronin. And when the Avengers came together, their checkered pasts were behind them, and they no longer harmed people just for the hell of it. He was allowed to kill with impunity like it never happened. Natasha had much more story to be told. Nevermind it made her standalone movie anti climactic as fuck since you know she was already gonna be dead. I still never watched that shit. They could have still made that Bishop show whether or not Clint survived. Archival footage, etc. Barton just not as good a character as Romanov.

- IF you kill Natasha, to NOT let Bruce go off was criminal. That would justify Hulk nuclear rage, but you can't effectively kill them BOTH.

- The "girl power" scene was corny as fuck and illogical. The most powerful Avenger (outside Wanda) doesn't need lessers to "cover" her. If NATASHA had still been alive, it would have made a lot of sense for them to give her cover to reach some vantage point. Would have been more meaningful.

Tony still could have made ultimate sacrifice. But the journey shoulda looked hella different.

AND AND AND....they coulda been set up for better movies and stories going forward.


It will be hard not to think Tony Stark when watching a Marvel movie and seeing him. Will be recycled as fuck. And bizarre to think they can't get another actor to play the part of someone who will have a mask on much of time...

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I also wonder given the footage of Major running away from Jabari, whether he could have been granted redemption like RDJ was at the beginning of all this.




  

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obsidianchrysalis
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32. "RE: was definitely a head scratcher"
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Sidenote:
I also wonder given the footage of Major running away from Jabari, whether he could have been granted redemption like RDJ was at the beginning of all this.

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I think with RDJ his issues happened over 10 years ago and he already served his time in "movie jail." And forgive me if I'm wrong, but Downey's issues were with addition and didn't involve physical violence towards anyone else.

Like you said about Majors, there is the video and audio footage of his incidents with his ex. While I'm a proponent of the focus on domestic and sexual violence post #meToo, that increased scrutiny makes it harder to justify keeping him on such a high-profile production.

I think Majors will have to spend a couple more years in movie jail before his profile starts to rise again.

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33. "RE: was definitely a head scratcher"
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>Sidenote:
>I also wonder given the footage of Major running away from
>Jabari, whether he could have been granted redemption like RDJ
>was at the beginning of all this.
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>I think with RDJ his issues happened over 10 years ago and he
>already served his time in "movie jail." And forgive me if I'm
>wrong, but Downey's issues were with addition and didn't
>involve physical violence towards anyone else.
he was found blacked out in the bedroom of a neighbor's 11 year old kid.

>Like you said about Majors, there is the video and audio
>footage of his incidents with his ex. While I'm a proponent of
>the focus on domestic and sexual violence post #meToo, that
>increased scrutiny makes it harder to justify keeping him on
>such a high-profile production.
I mean Ezra Miller hasn't been cut have they?

>I think Majors will have to spend a couple more years in movie
>jail before his profile starts to rise again.

perhaps. it's actually a case by case basis with this, can't even say all Black men get this treatment because Chris Brown is now bagging $1000 per photo shoot to take pics with fans and ruin their relationships SMH

  

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34. "Rumor says Mads Mikkelsen was supposed to play Doom"
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We could've had it all!

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