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bwood
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"Star Wars: The Acolyte Season 1"


          

Shit looks hard as fuck!!!

https://youtu.be/BtytYWhg2mc?si=nLeOPP37eLgtx58W

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Looks dope, I'm in
Mar 19th 2024
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I'm here for it.
Mar 19th 2024
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You know I'm in. Excited to see live action Star Wars from
Mar 26th 2024
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I get irrationally irritated
Mar 27th 2024
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CANT WAIT!
Mar 27th 2024
4
Yo, this shit goes
Jun 05th 2024
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I love this part:
Jun 06th 2024
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      Definitely not on the level of Andor
Jun 06th 2024
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Mae trying to kung fu Tomen in a Force bubble...
Jun 09th 2024
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I watched the first two episodes 3 times now
Jun 10th 2024
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I started to reply about why I disagree but you changed my mind
Jun 12th 2024
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      nah I don't see it
Jun 13th 2024
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           I like the idea of the show but it wastes so much time trying to be clev...
Jun 14th 2024
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Episode 3 was weak.
Jun 13th 2024
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Woof
Jun 13th 2024
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that ceremony scene
Jun 14th 2024
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      the whole episode had prequels stink all over it
Jun 14th 2024
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I think we need to be patient with this show.
Jun 17th 2024
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Episode 4 is much better.
Jun 19th 2024
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much better
Jun 20th 2024
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      Oh shit.
Jun 20th 2024
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This show has lost steam.
Jun 26th 2024
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plot is wack, Amanda's acting wack.... but....
Jun 26th 2024
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I don't think he's the big bad.
Jun 26th 2024
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please god, no
Jun 27th 2024
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lol - it’s gotta happen because that’s the mystery the entire
Jun 28th 2024
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I think the master is...
Jun 30th 2024
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outside of the space witch musical episode, I'm mostly enjoying it
Jun 27th 2024
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Great episode
Jun 26th 2024
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Episode 6 - I loved it but I'm sure plenty won't.
Jul 03rd 2024
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I enjoyed it too
Jul 03rd 2024
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Right. The episode flow/length is absolutely a valid complaint.
Jul 03rd 2024
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RE: The Mystery
Jul 04th 2024
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I don’t care what anyone says, that shit was dope.
Jul 09th 2024
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I enjoyed it, and really love the overall story here.
Jul 10th 2024
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      Completely agree
Jul 10th 2024
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The Headland/Nerdist interview is pretty wild!!
Jul 11th 2024
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Wow!
Jul 12th 2024
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This finale is WILD!!!
Jul 16th 2024
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Season 1 of 1
Aug 19th 2024
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RE: Season 1 of 1
Aug 19th 2024
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Not surprised. And my guess is that they'll end up
Aug 21st 2024
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aug 22nd 2024
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      I'll never understand why they rushed the sequels
Aug 23rd 2024
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           They had to rush them if they wanted to use original cast members
Aug 25th 2024
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                and the original idea to re-use them was shitty to begin with
Aug 25th 2024
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                     I mostly agree with this
Aug 25th 2024
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                          Which I think speaks even more to the idea that
Aug 25th 2024
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how are these shows costing so much
Aug 25th 2024
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This show deserved to get canceled
Sep 07th 2024
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JiggysMyDayJob
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1. "Looks dope, I'm in"
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I'm waiting to hear what fellow SW head Heinz has to say about this one.

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2. "I'm here for it."
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I wish they would re-canonize and make a "Force Unleashed" series. I like to see The Force fucking shit up.

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3. "You know I'm in. Excited to see live action Star Wars from"
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a time period outside of the Skywalker saga. Especially after watching Dune which has the epic feeling of a huge lived in universe without the story having the weight of tying into existing canon. The most annoying thing about Star Wars lately to me (besides them having zero plan for the sequels and completely botching Rise of Skywalker) is all of the connections and all of the POTENTIAL connections. "Is that so and so at a younger age??? Is that how they ended up creating so and so? Is this so and so's grandson???"

Acolyte is still relatively close to the prequels at the end of the High Republic era which means some longer lived characters like Yoda are alive, but I'm hoping this is the start of more story expansion.

A Knights of the Old Republic series or Dawn of the Jedi story (rumored to be happening) would be amazing.

  

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5. "I get irrationally irritated"
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(besides them having zero plan for the sequels and
>completely botching Rise of Skywalker)


When I see all this cool shit in other shows, etc that could have been in the sequels. The vibe of Andor, characters in Rogue One, all the cool stuff in Ahsoka, etc.

With this trailer I'm like...the sequels could have started with someone mysterious offing Luke's Jedi and unroll the story from there.

Basically I get irritated that the worst, most unoriginal shit that has come out were the actual sequels to my childhood favorites. That's the shit they rushed and half-assed.

  

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4. "CANT WAIT!"
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6. "Yo, this shit goes"
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It's kind of a perfect balance between Andor and something like The Mandalorian as it bridges the more serious grown-up side of Star Wars with the goofier, sillier kid side perfectly.

The fight choreography isn't anything spectacular but it's good enough given with the constraints they have (e.g. not being able to send actors to Yuen Woo Ping or 87/11 for 6 months prior to filming) and they do a good job of sprinkling force powers into it.

A martial-arts murder mystery (more whydunnit than whodunnit) is a great concept to bring into the SW universe and two episodes in is quite intriguing. The cast is solid but I'm going to single out Manny Jacinto here for being fantastic and showing an entirely different side of his abilities after The Good Place.

The expansions of the universe feel organic and it brings to life things I'd always wanted to see and long-imagined in Star Wars.

I'm locked in

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7. "I love this part:"
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>(more whydunnit than whodunnit)

I was worried in the leadup that this was going to be a whodunnit with obvious plot twists. For example the twin sister thing, with wrongful accusations. They got that out of the way quickly with the focus being much more on why, and what exactly happened in the past which is much more interesting.

Doesn't feel near the level of Andor at this point, but to be fair that was a slow build. It also doesn't need to be - Andor is a very grounded show that could have easily been a HBO type drama completely separate from Star Wars. This has more of a Star Wars feel, with broader appeal while still having some seriousness to the content.

But what really gets me excited about this show is the timeline - being at the end of the High Republic, completely outside of the Skywalker saga era feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO refreshing. I know that there's some avid High Republic book readers who are likely watching it and thinking how everything fits into that era, but if feels great to me to be watching something without all the baggage of expectations based on existing characters or plotlines. Free from people guessing who connects to who and why. Again this is close enough that I do anticipate some connections, and I'll be thrilled when we get father away and see something from the Knights of the Old Republic or Dawn of the Jedi eras. But this is great for now.

  

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8. "Definitely not on the level of Andor "
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probably won't reach that in terms of quality or richness. Few tv shows do. But it hits that sweet spot in the middle between Andor and Mandolorian. Stuff for kids, stuff for kids at heart. It also doesn't feel like it's being shot entirely in The Volume or Robert Rodriguez's backyard.

Also, while it feels tied into the prequels in terms of aesthetic/vibe in certain ways I still really enjoy it and don't fault it for that despite hating all three of the prequel films.

Absolutely agreed on this being freed of the Skywalker saga baggage also, I didn't watch Clone Wars or Rebels so I'm impervious to tie ins to those shows and anything related to Mandalore makes me fall smooth the fuck asleep. So I'm happy to be removed from that side of things too.

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9. "Mae trying to kung fu Tomen in a Force bubble..."
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...is one of my favorite D+ Era moments. And also something incredibly cool that we haven't seen before.

I really enjoy this show a lot, though I will say, I'm tired of the Jedi being presented as fucking morons when it comes to sensing threats. It's the only way we have seen them between this and the prequels/animated and makes you go, "There's no way they could run shit being this fucking daft." And I know, it's trying to show the hubris of the Jedi Order, but we haven't seen it any other way for them to get that cocky, so it just seems silly.

When I was a kid and I envisioned the Jedi at their peak, I imagined like these badass monks who spoke very little, kept to themselves, but would travel the galaxy, and when only when they were needed would they exert their force (pun intended). So I recognize I also kinda have a bit of a disconnect from the Space Cop version of the Jedi. But that's on me. That said... if this is all leading to a Jedi cover up of them metaphorically "shooting an unarmed black child" and "backing the blue," I miiiiiiight be turned off, depending on how they handle it.

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bwood
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10. "I watched the first two episodes 3 times now"
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I love how like The Last Jedi, this subverts expectations at every turn.



Helps that the mystery is compelling too.

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11. "I started to reply about why I disagree but you changed my mind"
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>I love how like The Last Jedi, this subverts expectations at
>every turn.
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>Helps that the mystery is compelling too.


I'm realizing that just like Andor was for the Rogue One fans, this is for The Last Jedi fans. Many of the things I dislike about this show (including its approach to subverting expectations) are my same complaints about TLJ.

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13. "nah I don't see it"
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This is a decent show so far. It is essentially a mystery- so twists and subverting expectations are to be expected and push the plot forward.


Last Jedi was hot garbage outside of the last 40 minutes or whatever. It was just Rian setting things up similar to previous movies to "gotcha" the audience. It was unnecessary and probably took him 6 weeks tops to write.


I get that some film school dropouts were hyped over how clever they thought Rian was, but nah. It was unnecessary- he should have just focused on making an actual original/good sequel to the first one.

(I also think Rian is lowkey racist. How do just set Finn up as a bumbling idiot again? How do you not find a role for Lupita's character? And when you look at his other white ass films...)

Last Jedi's entire purpose was to show how clever Rian thinks he is.

Acolyte isn't that. It has some originality, an actual reason for the subversion relevant to the plot, etc.

There is something...off about it though. It seems rushed and slow at the same time.

If I were to make a comparison it would be the Obi Wan show. Its decent- even good at times- but I want to like it more and something seems off/cheap.

  

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17. "I like the idea of the show but it wastes so much time trying to be clev..."
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Like there was that scene in the second episode where Osha who is suspected of murder decides to split off on her own once they get into the Jedi temple. Dumb character move but I'd look past it if it moved the plot forward. However, the whole thing almost immediately resolves itself as soon as she is confronted. What's the point? Reminds me of the dumb mutiny busy work they gave Poe in TLJ.

Episode three has a lot of head scratchers too which could have been handled by more careful world building. I actually enjoyed the coven and kinda wish the series was more about them. I still don't understand how they died or why the castle went up on flames so quickly. As far as I can tell it's either awkward film making or it's just more misdirection? I think it's safe to assume that the Jedi were more deeply involved than what has been revealed, but the way it was edited together makes it look like the show runners just ran out of money or didn't care lol. Not feeling it.


>If I were to make a comparison it would be the Obi Wan show.
>Its decent- even good at times- but I want to like it more and
>something seems off/cheap.

Seems fair to me. I want to like it more too. I feel like those rightwing assholes on Youtube every time I have to dunk on shows like this and I don't like it.

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bwood
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12. "Episode 3 was weak."
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I don't think we needed as much backstory as they gave us.

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14. "Woof "
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As someone who hates the prequels this was a rough episode because it felt very much of a piece with those films when it wasn't being just a garden variety SyFy show.


Awful acting mixed with bad writing. The ceremony made me uncomfortable for the actors. It really leaned into all the things I was worried it might. I honestly skipped though most of the episode it was so bad.

Hoping now that they got the backstory out of the way we can get back on track.

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15. "that ceremony scene "
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was the most I've laughed at bad star wars since the Anakin/Padme scenes

I liked the first 2 episodes a lot, hopefully they bounce back

  

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16. "the whole episode had prequels stink all over it"
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that scene was so uncomfortably embarrassing that was some off-off-Broadway shit.

I too hope they bounce back but man that episode was one of my least favorite of any show that they've done so far that I've watched

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18. "I think we need to be patient with this show. "
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For those hoping that we are done with backstory, I definitely think it's the OPPOSITE. The backstory we saw in episode 3 was only from one characters perspective. That in and of itself was actually why much of it seemed disjointed and "off". It was directed in a way where there are strange cuts not letting us see what happened, who did what, how so and so got where they got, etc. There is dialogue that doesn't vibe with other things we know (or think that we know).

To this point, I think we'll revisit everything that happened in this episode and see it from a different point of view. Maybe that of the Jedi, maybe Mae's point of view. We saw Mae light the journal on fire, but didn't see her actually start a fiew. The explosion we saw definitely wasn't from a fire she started. Even Oshi's room burning doesn't look to be from that journal lighting on fire - with all that metal going up in flames so quickly. The clan definitely wasn't dead from the fire - they battled the Jedi. Mae seems to think that Oshi did something to cause their mother's death, and vice versa.

I think what they were going for was to intentionally make the audience uncomfortable with the things we don't know and the misalignment with expectations to put us into Oshi's perspective of being uncomfortable with what happened. Yeah there was some acting that was rough, but from a writing and direction standpoint I think the choices were all intentional.

Will it work out? I don't know but I'll give it a chance.

From a theory/speculation perspective, I think something is going on with how the twins mother "created" them - I think either they are actually one person and have been so all along with split personalities like Fight Club. Or I think Mae did die in the fire, but her spirit is linked with Oshi to the point of becoming a split personality situation. Remember in the first couple episode they would often cut back to Oshi after a Mae scene with Oshi waking up - I think that's letting us know that Oshi is acting as Mae unknowingly.

  

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19. "Episode 4 is much better."
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However, dude with e dreads is wild annoying. I think he's a spy for the bad guy.

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20. "much better"
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>However, dude with e dreads is wild annoying. I think he's a
>spy for the bad guy.

He looks like he has a tiktok page where he lectures on spiritual veganism

  

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21. "Oh shit."
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bwood
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22. "This show has lost steam."
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Look, the lightsaber fights are great and I don't mind the deaths.

But, this shit didn't really advance the plot that much. The reveal of who the big bad is was underwhelming and the switcheroo is super obvious.


I'll stick with it. But I don't know y'all.

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23. "plot is wack, Amanda's acting wack.... but...."
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I LOVED every minute of this episode. lol

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24. "I don't think he's the big bad."
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He's likely the apprentice, looking for an accolyte to help him overthrow the actual big bad who is the sith master.

Earlier on in the season I was starting to anticipate this, thinking that Master Indara actually isn't dead and that she's the sith master with Qimir as her apprentice. At this point we're getting late in the season to make that happen though - we still need to go back to what happened to the witches since we've only seen half of the perspective. It's clear that the Jedi (and Sol specifically) did some non-Jedi-like stuff back there. Indara seemed like the ring-leader of that, and if there was deception involved it would make sense with her being the sith master (and would make Carrie-Anne Moss's casting make more sense).

But we're running out of time. I'd guess that episode 7 is the flashback episode since it's the same director as episode 3. So that leaves us 3 episodes to move the plot forward and stick the landing with the twins having switched places (which should be obvious to both sides) Sol needing to reveal what he did, Osha needing to become the accolyte, etc.

I gotta say though - Star Wars fandom is TRASH now. Between the negative review bombing (before an episode is released), the folks calling everything woke, and the fans who have zero patience to let a show play out at all, it's tough being an optimistic SW fan these days. And not just this show - Andor was OUTSTANDING and there were parts of the fandom saying it wasn't "real" Star Wars.

  

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27. "please god, no"
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dont think i can handle another one

>I'd guess that episode 7 is the
>flashback episode

  

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28. "lol - it’s gotta happen because that’s the mystery the entire"
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season is hinging on. What did the Jedi do there that has them so ashamed? What really happened with the fire? How were Mae and Osha “created” and what were the witches doing?

While I enjoyed episode 3 and saw it immediately as half of the story, I hope that if/when they flashback again it will all make sense.

  

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29. "I think the master is..."
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...Torbin.

But he was killed by poison. Yeah. Poison... made by Qimir.

I think it goes back to the "he gets in your head" "My mom could do that" comment for me. We saw the mom take over Torbin and then if you go back and rewatch ep four, when Osha wakes up on the ship, in the background, you can see Torbin got a fresh gash where his scar in the current timeline was.

I think while he was in full on Force meditation, he was Force projecting and training Qimir.

All this is wildly speculative.

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26. "outside of the space witch musical episode, I'm mostly enjoying it"
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it feels 'small' in scope but not necessarily in a bad way

I do think one problem is, the more we see Jedi, the more i feel like Jedi just aren't very interesting when they're not swinging lightsabers. They're mostly just a bunch of stuffy scolds.

they're also way too easy to kill, so I had to laugh when Granola Dreads was like, "she's a Jedi, she can take care of herself". Didn't like 4 of you just get killed five minutes ago in an eight-on-one? Not to mention the wookie earlier smh




  

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25. "Great episode"
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Swole, evil Manny Jacinto!

Dude's range is insane.

This was easily my favorite episode since the first two and probably of the series proper. They did a damn good job w/ the fight choreography

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30. "Episode 6 - I loved it but I'm sure plenty won't."
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In watching a show like this I've come to accept the shorter episode lengths and the ups/downs of some episodes being action heavy and light on story and other episodes the opposite. The overall fandom seems to hate this though, and I'm sure some folks will watch Episode 6 and say it was boring, nothing happened.

What I really liked was hearing more of the the Sith/Dark Side perspective on the Force. Manny is killing it in that role. Also Lee Jung-jae is doing some phenomenal acting as Sol - as that character has developed over the season it's obvious why they casted him based on his performance in Squid Game, with a similar type of character development as someone who seemed to be genuinely good with something in his past that was dark, and over time revealing more and more of that darkness.

I think the success of this season all hinges on Episode 7 though. As I mentioned above, I expect that to be another flashback to Episode 3's timeline and showing what really happened on Brendok. THAT is the true mystery of this entire show, and for it to be success then Episode 7 will need to satisfyingly answer questions like what Sol and the Jedi did there, what were the witches doing, was there Sith involvement, how Mae and Osha were created, how was the coven destroyed, and what is Qimir's connection to Sol, the Jedi, and/or the witches. That last question could be saved for Episode 8 back in the present - but my quick theory after Ep 6 is that he was Venestra's padawan, based on her having the lightwhip saber and the curved scars on Sol's back, along with her being very urgent about covering this up.

But if Episode 7 as a flashback works, then it might "fix" episode 3 for the people who didn't like it since it would be clear that the choppy editing and other directorial choices were purposely done because we were only seeing one character's perspective at that time. Also if Ep 7 works then the mystery elements of the entire season would come together nicely.

Bottom line, this (and many other of these Disney+ shows) should be much better watched binge style without the cliffhanger episode endings and having a week of complaints in between.

  

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31. "I enjoyed it too"
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Like you said, homeboy is killing it as the sith. Considering how little time they were together, that is probably the best/most subtle/most believable pitch to join the dark side we've seen on screen yet.

I'm not sure why people would hate this show so much. Its a mystery, so things are going to unfold. That's the entire idea- this notion that some people decided they hated where it was going by episode 3 or whatever is nuts to me.

Does it have bad acting, poor/forced dialogue, and corny moments like the witch dance thing? Of course, but have people seen Star Wars before?


And from what I've read, they've dug deep into star wars lore, which is what I thought super fans have always wanted?


My only real complaint at this point is the short episodes, which I would guess is on Disney trying to stretch 6 episodes into 8 or some shit. It does hinder the flow of the show.

  

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32. "Right. The episode flow/length is absolutely a valid complaint. "
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My thing as a Star Wars fan is this though - SW has NEVER been perfect. Always had cornet dialogue, inconsistent plot turns, etc. But it’s a universe that I love. There’s a large subset of that fandom that hold onto some sacred cow concept - whether it’s the original trilogy, or everything that Lucas made (which is laughable to me considering the hate the prequels got for YEARS).

I was born in 79. The first SW movie I remembered seeing in the theater was ROTJ, and I remember that my dad hated it. He also didn’t like Empire because of it ending on a down note, and he felt that the for Star Wars movie was by far the best and everything else was whatever. Meanwhile I LOVED ROTJ. Yes, even as a kid I could tell that the Ewoks were cheesy, and that the first half of it with Luke’s rescue plan was unnecessarily complicated. But I loved it.

So I’m just used to loving SW for what it is and not worrying about the parts that don’t work well for me.

As for this show, yeah I wish that these two part episodes were combined a bit. As we’re getting to the end of the series I’m started to wonder if the show would have worked better without Mae and getting rid of the twin storyline, with it focused on the Jedi murder mystery, having them killed by Qimer without us seeing it, and having him “train” Osha as his Accolyte without her realizing it until the second half of the season. But I’m still enjoying it for what it is.

  

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33. "RE: The Mystery"
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Completely agree about how much they need to nail the landing of the mystery. To me, it’ll make the difference between whether this is a good or great show. I am always in awe of a show or movie that puts so much into a mystery box and plays it out as long as they can. Because how many times have we seen a show where they build to something and the pay off is trash?

I have faith they can pull this off. I really like the show (even if there are actors who are doing some of the weirdest uneven performances in this. cough Venestra cough)

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34. "I don’t care what anyone says, that shit was dope. "
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Sol may be a top five Jedi to me.

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35. "I enjoyed it, and really love the overall story here. "
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My issue with this episode though was how much was riding on it. I liked the episode for what it was, but as I mentioned up above the entire season was riding on strong execution of episode 3 and 7. They made a big decision to split those two episodes up with several in between with one showing a different perspective. Love the idea. But for it to work in a satisfying way there would need to be some kind of big reveal or twist involved. This was much more subtle in terms of perspective, essentially just revealing that there were multiple small mistakes by several characters leading to a tragic result and not any one or two characters who did something terrible. Which is fine.

But if it was a subtle perspective difference, then this could have just been shown together in one of episode. Or at most, in back to back episodes. The entire season was hinting about something terrible that Sol was hiding, with him continually saying “okay I’m about to tell you what happened” but getting interrupted. To make the decision to split it up like this, not have a huge twist, and still leave several questions unanswered (what is Qimir’s involvement in all this, what did he mean by saying he was a Jedi a long, long time ago, what did they do to create Mae and Osha (beyond there just being a force vergence, they were actively created, and what happened with Mother Koril because she bounced before the other witches were killed), etc.)

We’ll see how they land the airplane with the finale next week but I feel like there is too much left on the table at this point to make it truly satisfying.

That being said, this is Star Wars and I love it. We finally got to see an adult Wookie Jedi in live action fighting, and it was amazing. Plus the added seasoning of him being under witch control. That was terrifying. I love what they are showing with the Jedi in this series in terms of different kinds of flaws. Sol is great. I wonder why he is so connected with Osha, but I love his passion, the decisions he made, etc. I love that we got more of Indara and her perspective (and flaws - she almost snapped on Sol in that one scene.) Master Korbin as well - cool to see how his mind was invaded, and she essentially amplified a feeling that he had which ended up leading to him making the choice to ruin everything by going to break back into the coven to get proof of the vergence so he could go home.

Again, I love how everyone made small mistakes that added up to tragedy. Life the overall story. I just wish this was executed better.

  

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36. "Completely agree"
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I think the pacing was actually thrown off by 4 & 5. Had they made those two one extended episode, the 6 becomes 5. And this becomes 6, giving them 7 to deal with the ramifications and set up climax in 8. As it stands, this finale has to deal with way too much for one episode. Like the fall out from this, plus explain The Stranger’s connection to everything.

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37. "The Headland/Nerdist interview is pretty wild!!"
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https://nerdist.com/article/the-acolyte-showrunner-leslye-headland-interview/

Some really interesting things she’s tipping her hand to in here…

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38. "Wow!"
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That was a LOT - I've never seen a Star Wars director/showrunner give that much information during an ongoing story. I do have mixed feelings on it - on one hand it's refreshing because I'm so used to the corporate Disney non-answers to questions like these. But on the other hand when reading all that I can see who the big media companies typically don't want creators giving that much transparency...

First because it takes away from some of the mystery. Especially in a story like this, which is made in a way to breed speculation. Second (and most important for Lucasfilm/Disney) is that the Star Wars has always had a lived in, implied backstory that isn't expounded upon directly on the screen, and has always used that implied backstory in future media to expand on it. There's a lot of "canon" in that interview which might cut some future creators (or even herself) off from going in other directions without it being seen as contradicting it. Not that contradicting an interview is a big deal, SW is so big that there are plenty of onscreen contradictions and retcons. But I can see why that type of transparency would be discouraged.

Last reason is I can already hear trolls saying "why didn't she put that in the story? You shouldn't have to read an interview to understand a show".

  

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39. "This finale is WILD!!!"
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The show has had some uneven moments leading up to this. But WOW.

  

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40. "Season 1 of 1"
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https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-acolyte-canceled-no-season-2-star-wars-disney-plus-1236044233/

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41. "RE: Season 1 of 1"
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I fell off of it and keep meaning to go back.

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42. "Not surprised. And my guess is that they'll end up"
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continuing the story through comics or books at some point.

That being said, Star Wars is at an odd point with the Disney ownership currently. There hasn't been a theatrical release sense Rise in 2019, and when one finally does come out (Mando and Grogu) it will be something that was originally supposed to be a season of a D+ show and has been converted to the big screen. In general, Disney is losing all kinds of money on D+ due to the budgets. Andor was great and I'm looking forward to season 2. Skeleton Crew looks like fun.

But in general it still feels like Disney doesn't know what to do with Star Wars.

  

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43. "^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>continuing the story through comics or books at some point.
>
>That being said, Star Wars is at an odd point with the Disney
>ownership currently. There hasn't been a theatrical release
>sense Rise in 2019, and when one finally does come out (Mando
>and Grogu) it will be something that was originally supposed
>to be a season of a D+ show and has been converted to the big
>screen. In general, Disney is losing all kinds of money on D+
>due to the budgets. Andor was great and I'm looking forward to
>season 2. Skeleton Crew looks like fun.


Really hope Skeleton Crew is dope. Jon Watts is that dude.
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>But in general it still feels like Disney doesn't know what to
>do with Star Wars.

YES!!! Ever since Rouge One it feels like they've been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

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44. "I'll never understand why they rushed the sequels"
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>But in general it still feels like Disney doesn't know what to
>do with Star Wars.

Even from a business standpoint, it makes no sense.

People were hungry for anything star wars in what 2015 or whatever. That was the time to try these half-baked ideas, etc while they nailed down the sequels.

If the initial output didn't work out/wasn't well received, they could always fall back on "but the sequels are coming!"...and I'm assuming more time could have actually helped them be good...which would have bought them more goodwill.


What do they fall back on now?



  

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45. "They had to rush them if they wanted to use original cast members "
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And characters. Ford, Hamil, and Fisher weren’t getting any younger. You saw what happened with Fisher so waiting a few more years and you wouldn’t be able to cast her at all.

  

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46. "and the original idea to re-use them was shitty to begin with"
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>And characters. Ford, Hamil, and Fisher weren’t getting any
>younger. You saw what happened with Fisher so waiting a few
>more years and you wouldn’t be able to cast her at all.

one of the worst-planned restarts of major franchise in entertainment history, probably the worst actually

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48. "I mostly agree with this"
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They could have rebooted it without any of the major characters in the movies and it would have been fine. They could have used some of the existing characters and actors but much more sparingly.

With that said, I think it is clear that Disney rushed this because they really wanted to use the existing characters and actors as much as possible, to the detriment of the franchise.

  

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49. "Which I think speaks even more to the idea that "
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Disney doesn't know what to do with Star Wars, because I don't think each original character "needed" their own movie or whatever.

Not just for me personally- I mean, from a marketing perspective.


Make 3 really good movies that tie up the story. Sure, have Mark pass it off in the first or 2nd one...but there was no need for all that extra shit. Just focus on making really good fucking movies that could lead to other cool shit.

Just from a cold-hearted, business perspective...(which, lets be honest, is Disney) I'd still roll the dice on at least 1 or 2 of the actors being around in 5-7 years while we get it right....and like I said, in the meantime, try out some different stuff while people are starving for Star Wars.

The sequels could have/should have been the ultimate "break glass in case of emergency" or carrot to dangle in front of the audience and now they have nothing even close to that.

I loved Rogue One and Andor. Ahsoka was cool. Mandalorian is great at times but lowkey uneven as fuck....even its most legendary episode had Luke. Obi Wan and Acolyte were decent but should have been a lot better. I honestly haven't even seen the Boba Fett show or the Solo movie- both seem completely unnecessary.

I guess my point is I'm a pretty big Star Wars fan...definitely not a super fan, but I grew up on this shit. I don't see anything that could get me to put up with opening weekend bullshit like The Force Awakens did. Its just not an event anymore.

They should have pumped the breaks and rolled the dice on Mark still being alive and/or technology. *shrugs*

What's weird is I'd be hyped for a cartoon that covered the OT characters after Jedi...seems like a slam dunk...but they won't do it.

Strange combination of incompetence and arrogance over there.

  

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47. "how are these shows costing so much"
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$180 million? $22 million per episode? that is insane, since it doesn't even look half that good.

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50. "This show deserved to get canceled"
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For as expensive as it was that didn't show up on screen. The set pieces were campy as hell. The worst looking Star Wars show they've put out recently. The only redeeming quality is the fight choreography. They fumbled this one big time.

  

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