stravinskian Member since Feb 24th 2003 12698 posts
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4. "This looks astonishing." In response to Reply # 0
I'm comically excited about the Oppenheimer movie, and I'm not even mad that this is gonna steal every award that I would have otherwise wanted to go to Oppenheimer.
7. "Second best movie of the year" In response to Reply # 0
Saw this shit yesterday morning.
I love how this and Oppenheimer both have the same message just told in vastly different ways. That white people are evil.
For anyone who's complaining about the 3 and a half hour runtime, go suck a dick. Every minute and moment in this film is vital as this shows a crucial, dark part of American history that's still happening today.
Lily Gladstone has an Oscar on lock. In a movie with towering performances, she stands out.
This is gonna stay with me for a long time. Really can't wait to see it again in IMAX.
Gonna be a sad day when Scorsese da gawd stops making movies.
22. "RE: Did you borrow this from Roger Ebert's review of Ghandi?" In response to Reply # 8
>"For anyone who's complaining about the 3 and a half hour >runtime, go suck a dick." > >I feel like I read that in one of his reviews. Either Ghandi >or >SCHINDLER'S LIST.
You read Eberts review of Pulp Fiction where he mentions being over the moon regarding a seminal quote from Harvey Keitel
11. "I was a bit underwhelmed but it's starting to grow on me" In response to Reply # 7 Fri Oct-20-23 11:40 AM by khn
>I love how this and Oppenheimer both have the same message >just told in vastly different ways. That white people are >evil.
That's interesting - for me, as I was watching KotFM, I was actively thinking at points about Oppenheimer and how much of a cop out it was not to really show or engage with the horror that was experienced by the side that actually got hit with the nukes.
>For anyone who's complaining about the 3 and a half hour >runtime, go suck a dick. Every minute and moment in this film >is vital as this shows a crucial, dark part of American >history that's still happening today.
Maybe history and a little bit more time wrangling with it will prove me wrong but I guess I can go suck a dick then. REALLY felt like you could have shaved 30-60 min off that shit and had a stronger film without betraying any of the themes or characterization.
>Lily Gladstone has an Oscar on lock. In a movie with towering >performances, she stands out.
She was exceptional. Best performance by Bobby in some time as well.
>Gonna be a sad day when Scorsese da gawd stops making movies.
18. "I also feel it could have been slightly condensed" In response to Reply # 11
>Maybe history and a little bit more time wrangling with it >will prove me wrong but I guess I can go suck a dick then. >REALLY felt like you could have shaved 30-60 min off that shit >and had a stronger film without betraying any of the themes or >characterization.
however
I also enjoyed nearly every scene...so I wouldn't know where to start cutting
I'm down for Scorsese to extend his running times during his late stage career, as his most recent picture could always be his last
14. "Best part of the whole film." In response to Reply # 13
My take: A brilliant means of re-contextualizing the whole thing, and laying bare what is, for me, a kind of gross, reductive, voyeuristic vibe that the True crime scene tends to embody. These pieces that distill all of this visceral, horrific, *real* trauma into neatly-packaged podcasts that we can consume and dispose of fairly mindlessly... yeah. Not a fan*. But I'm old and lame and cynical. But particularly coming on the heels of Hale's "no one really cares" monologue - just brilliant storytelling.
* - Of course, you could argue that any story derived from anything real or historical fits that bill. Maybe it's just the layer of fiction/narrative/whatever that distinguishes it for me. Or, again, I'm just a hater.
Lastly, and apart from all that shit I just typed, I don't know how you *couldn't* smile when Marty took the stage. I can't remember an easter egg like that which I enjoyed so much.
>My take: A brilliant means of re-contextualizing the whole >thing, and laying bare what is, for me, a kind of gross, >reductive, voyeuristic vibe that the True crime scene tends to >embody. These pieces that distill all of this visceral, >horrific, *real* trauma into neatly-packaged podcasts that we >can consume and dispose of fairly mindlessly... yeah. Not a >fan*. But I'm old and lame and cynical. But particularly >coming on the heels of Hale's "no one really cares" monologue >- just brilliant storytelling. > >* - Of course, you could argue that any story derived from >anything real or historical fits that bill. Maybe it's just >the layer of fiction/narrative/whatever that distinguishes it >for me. Or, again, I'm just a hater. > >Lastly, and apart from all that shit I just typed, I don't >know how you *couldn't* smile when Marty took the stage. I >can't remember an easter egg like that which I enjoyed so >much.
That's a long time to spend with uninteresting, stupid, evil pieces of shit.
Also seemed strange how the Osage characters didn't immediately understand how Earnest and William Hale had the most to gain from these murders.I find it hard to believe that their first thought wasn't "well of course their white husbands are behind these killings." Overall, didn't like how passive the Osage were in this depiction. That may have been the point, and even historically accurate, but still felt like a disservice.
Probably bad timing because at the same time I saw this, I was finishing a book by a Native American author centered around Native American characters about somewhat similar themes that was just so much richer.
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23. "I really liked the movie but I had the same thoughts/frustrations" In response to Reply # 21
Like i felt we needed something more to see from the Osage perspective why they would be this trusting/naive/passive, when the Hales seemed like such obvious scumbags. It might be that natives were so accustomed to the idea that if whitey wants something they take it by pure force, and slaughter, that the long game of marriage/children, even if it felt suspect, it didn't quite register... or how much do then really want to risk what they have knowing things like black wall street are going on, and William is a "friend". It was frustrating though
>Also seemed strange how the Osage characters didn't >immediately understand how Earnest and William Hale had the >most to gain from these murders.I find it hard to believe that >their first thought wasn't "well of course their white >husbands are behind these killings." Overall, didn't like how >passive the Osage were in this depiction. That may have been >the point, and even historically accurate, but still felt like >a disservice.
25. "I stopped watching an hour and half in." In response to Reply # 0
Stylez nailed it with " That's a long time to spend with uninteresting, stupid, evil pieces of shit."
I don't know. I've been trying to figure out if I'd "gone woke" or I would have felt the same way 20 years ago.
I mean, I watched Temple of Doom this week and still enjoyed the heck out of it (though I kinda think that movie was satire in the vein of Starship Troopers making fun of how racist and sexist old Hollywood films were).
Also, I was totally prepared to be into this movie even if it were shaping up to be a white savior movie which I thought it was the first hour in.
Relatedly, I think the storytelling was flawed because Leo's character wasn't revealed to be a baddie until an hour in and in the least dramatic and confusing way. Like I thought he was setting up the guy to steal his car in order to prevent him from killing his in laws.
I dug De Niro as a villain because it presented a different kind of Indian hater but to center the movie on Leo just seemed like an expedious choice just because he was the biggest name attached to the movie, not because his character is at all interesting.
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