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not sure if the Pierce sale will put the kids back into the game or take them out of it

amazing that Roman was the voice of reason, as everyone else made tactical errors due to emotion (Tom calling Shiv, Logan underestimating the kids, the kids overpaying to take away something their dad wanted badly)

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... do the kids have the money to see the deal through?

I was wondering that as they were heavily implying at episode's end that Logan doesn't really want to take his chips and leave the table.

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...to fuck up the GoJo deal and ultimately fucking themselves over in the process.

although we're seeing the kids are powerful when working together, it doesn't seem smart to leverage all their capital on a single move that is still dependent on their dad selling

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Roman has all the good business ideas, is most enthusiastic about Hundred, is most reluctant about fighting Logan. He hates the 10B number. He’s the only creative one in the lot.

They will not beat him.

I think his interest in the ATN anchor's appearance ("ballsack with a toupe" lolol) is indicative of exactly that - that he will no longer be selling ATN.

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>I think his interest in the ATN anchor's appearance ("ballsack
>with a toupe" lolol) is indicative of exactly that - that he
>will no longer be selling ATN.

I took it as part of Logan's overall boredom and emptiness and bitterness, but this makes more sense

>>I think his interest in the ATN anchor's appearance
>("ballsack
>>with a toupe" lolol) is indicative of exactly that - that he
>>will no longer be selling ATN.
>
>I took it as part of Logan's overall boredom and emptiness and
>bitterness, but this makes more sense


Totally - the two aren't mutually exclusive IMO. He could be bored *and* pissed at his kids finally "beating" him, which could ultimately lead to his decision to back out of the sale. The only time he came alive all episode was during the post-agreement phone call when he called his kids fucking morons.

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I don't know what the kid's % of the ATN sale will be but i assumed a couple billion each?

they didn't seem to have a grasp on how high they could go on the bid, and wound up going 4 billion over Logan's offer.

this doesn't seem like a good investment. the Hundred thing looked like a likely flop too but I didn't get the sense they were dropping everything they had on it.

and yeah, Logan can easily out petty them by stopping the ATN sale if he wants to play.

these kids are dumb.

They were hitting everything that people like, felt a bit forced. Overall definitely felt like an episode that was setting the table which is kind of cool to get out of the way now.

It's amazing how unsure you're left feeling about everything at every moment in this show.

I'm still saying Greg "wins" it all at the end.

This show works when it realizes it's a comedy. Less heart-rending, exquisitely-acted scenes with Tom and Shiv going full WASP aristocrat on their marriage and more of Roman saying ridiculous nonsense like "bespoke information hub" or Greg saying he doesn't want to see what happens at Guantanamo please.

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You're out of your damn mind. This episode was fucking hilarious.

- opening scene w/the investor and the kids "towering economic genius" or whatever Roman said
- "tell me a joke" scene
- diner scene (that scene also had its heavy moments I'll grant you that, but the opening convo w/Colin was funny as fuck)
- "hmm what comes after 9 ... 9B ?!
- Tom/Greg discussing Bridget's bag
- Tom convincing Greg to tell Logan about his tryst
- Greg actually fucking doing it, and his report back to Tom
- Greg's 1st *attempt* to tell Logan
- Kerri's opening convo w/Greg about Bridget

There were more funny moments I can't recall right now as well. Did we watch the same episode ?! The more I think about this the more baffled I am by your complaint lol. I think the Tom/Shiv scene is the only scene in the whole episode that was absent any humor - all the others were littered with laugh-out-loud moments, per usual. You're complaining about a single scene.

Speaking of, the Tom/Shiv scene was *excellent*. The guy who plays Tom (forgetting his real name) is a fucking *superb* actor. He can go from fall-down hysterical to I-nearly-cried heartbreaking seamlessly. The looks on his face, and his voice quivering, during that scene with Shiv were tough to watch. Shiv was great too, for the record. But Tom just makes you feel so fucking *sad* for him.

This episode was borderline perfect.

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And I've said "ludicrously capacious bag" like four times since Sunday.

Point well made. I agree.

I guess all I can say in defense of my error is that I think Kendall is the richest comedic vein in the show and he was largely absent from the very sound and true list of strong jokes you've made. He's usually been my guide for when the show decides to be funny, largely based on my own (probably very late) realization this was a comedy - the season two premiere when he spends a bunch of the episode being driven around on the back of a motorcycle like a 12 year old.

But yeah, you're right.

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>And I've said "ludicrously capacious bag" like four times
>since Sunday.
>
>Point well made. I agree.
>
>I guess all I can say in defense of my error is that I think
>Kendall is the richest comedic vein in the show and he was
>largely absent from the very sound and true list of strong
>jokes you've made. He's usually been my guide for when the
>show decides to be funny, largely based on my own (probably
>very late) realization this was a comedy - the season two
>premiere when he spends a bunch of the episode being driven
>around on the back of a motorcycle like a 12 year old.
>
>But yeah, you're right.

LOL thinking back on that episode you're right, his riding on the back of a bike like a child is hysterical.

Anyway, happy that you've "seen the light" about this episode's hilarity haha. After I wrote my first response I thought of "scrotum in a toupee," "did you rummage to fruition ?" and Greg and Connor's 1% discussion. I can't wait to watch again.

I'll also be looking for clues about what's to come. I have a feeling Tom and Greg are cooking something, the more I think about how the bidding war began (Tom's first call to Shiv about Naomi Pierce, Greg's date). I don't want to be conspiratorial since this is a show that, generally speaking, puts its cards right on the table. But I think they showed just enough to maintain the integrity of the show while giving me/us something to consider going forward.

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>and Greg and Connor's 1% discussion.

Greg is the perfect character to ask if you can go below 1% in national polling. although I agree with Walleye in the sense that it was missing that extra touch from Kendall and Logan (neither of whom were funny this episode) to round it out.

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>although I agree with Walleye in the sense that it was missing that extra touch from Kendall and Logan (neither of whom were funny this episode) to round it out.

Ken:
- "Romey Romey Romey !"
- "I've smoked horse I need that extra ..." (forget exact quote but something like that)
- all his comments about The Hundred being like X major publication/being a hub or whatever bullshit he spews

A lot of Ken's humor was typically unintentional but that's what's always funny about him IMO.


Logan:
- the aforementioned "tell me a joke" scene
- the aforementioned diner scene
- there was one other comment/scene when he cracked me up but I'll have to come back, can't remember off the top

IMO this episode hit all the right notes, and each character was vintage while the story still moved along. All subjective tho, of course.

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Roman's warped ill timed sense of humor normally being present

somehow Greg's description of Logan's reaction to him telling him about his "date" was more golden than us actually seeing it lol.

I just read that scene as one piece of his overall boredom because he's getting everything he wants and no one's there to challenge him anymore. But that specific scene could definitely be the "where's Roman" part of the bigger picture "I'm fucking bored out of my mind why isn't anything going wrong/anyone busting my ass" thing he's got going on lol

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I forgot what exactly he said but seemed like he was bringing up the d pic thing lol

I believe it was "receive any interesting pictures lately ?" hahahaha. I died.

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To be clear, you're definitely right.

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They're making it seem like he stands up to him on the next episode but I don't know.

Roman also is starting to seem the like the most well-adjusted of the siblings, at least of the ones with the same mom lol

Kendall could've been that guy at this point, but he's far too interested in being seen as "cool" and "cutting edge"-- and he's far too obsessed with fucking over his dad at this point. Last night made that abundantly clear-- he's happy to burn the whole thing down and fuck everyone over if it means he gets to smile while his dad suffers.

Shiv is convinced she's the smartest one in the room at all times, which makes her, of course, an idiot. At least Kendall is fucking up this deal because he wants to fuck up the deal. Shiv has been sold a bag of goods, was told directly by both Roman and Logan that this will fuck up the deal, but she refuses to accept it's possible because that would mean she might be wrong.

Connor is pure fucking evil, undiluted, uncut. But he's also a boob.

Roman is clearly, when it comes to business, the best Roy kid. He seems to actually have a knack for what will work in business. He doesn't give a fuck about being liked by anyone other than his dad. He was right to not get involved with Pierce, he was right that this deal will get fucked up, he's been right more than he's been wrong. He certainly had his fuck ups and self-sabotage moments at the beginning when he thought "no one is going to ever take me seriously anyway," but he's displayed more acumen than any of the others.

He just, y'know, needs Daddy to say "I love you" way worse than the others do, lol. Which will always fuck him when it comes to stuff involving Logan.

I don't know that I'd call Roman "well-adjusted"-- his personal life hang-ups are very, very tough to watch, they've just taken a backseat on the show for a season or two now, lol-- but in terms of business sense, he's just so clearly the heir to the throne if Logan actually had any inclination to hand his business to one of his kids.

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Roman might not be well-adjusted just that for business things he's the most clear headed one. He definitely still has big social issues are still so weird but I think he ends up getting farther than the rest of them. I think you explained it right.

I'm confused why Kendall wasn't into asking for more until he KNEW it would actually mess up the deal. It seems like he should have been with it from when it first comes up.

>I'm confused why Kendall wasn't into asking for more until he
>KNEW it would actually mess up the deal. It seems like he
>should have been with it from when it first comes up.

I could be wrong but didn't they say this is over an extra hundred million? which is nothing considering the way they went up to 10 billion last week and treated half a billion like a rounding error.

Matson give the impression that he legit has no problem walking away from this deal. if that happens, the Pierce thing is done for them.

but i guess it plays into Logan's tirade about how they aren't serious people.

Especially why Kendall is now down but I just don't understand why he wasn't down from the jump.

He isn't doing it for the money, he's doing it because it will mess up Logan's plan but then shouldn't he had wanted to do it before Matson told him he would walk?

When he told them they weren't serious people you could feel their hurt lol he knows how to get to them.

I was waiting for his assistant/gf/whatever to blow up on him. Curious to see how that plays out. Could end up in the kids favor.

Shiv and Kendall are too high on this brief moment of having some power over Logan to see it.

If they "win" and get more money, it's still a pretty minor victory. it doesn't seem worth the risk at all. They don't get Pierce, but it seems that whole thing was just another way to say they beat dad.

such fucking dopes (c)

>I'm confused why Kendall wasn't into asking for more until he
>KNEW it would actually mess up the deal. It seems like he
>should have been with it from when it first comes up.

He even said about as much last episode. He needs the excitement cuz he used to smoke horse lol.

That said, he doesn't *think* of the decision to ask for more as self sabotage. He sees blood in the water cuz of the call w/Mattson. But obviously those of us watching know a trainwreck is inevitable.

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the other Roy kids are completely delusional in how they perceive themselves or in how believe they're perceived by others.

Roman's pretty aware of how he's seen and if anything sells himself short. he's the most openly emotional and sensitive to when his family members are suffering.

he's also a petty pompous piece of shit. he threatened to destroy the helicopter lady's life for doing her job. it reminded me of that early season 2 scene where he taunted that kid with the million dollar check and tore it up in front of him.

Honestly that scene with him tearing up the check almost made me stop watching lol That hit a nerve.

>he's also a petty pompous piece of shit. he threatened to
>destroy the helicopter lady's life for doing her job. it
>reminded me of that early season 2 scene where he taunted that
>kid with the million dollar check and tore it up in front of
>him.

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>I don't know that I'd call Roman "well-adjusted"-- his
>personal life hang-ups are very, very tough to watch, they've
>just taken a backseat on the show for a season or two now

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>Roman also is starting to seem the like the most well-adjusted of the siblings, at least of the ones with the same mom lol

You should've stuck with "of the siblings" lol Connor ain't well-adjusted at all, either.

Anyway yea I agree - Roman is emotionally grounded to some extent, he's always the one worried about the other siblings, asking "you ok man?" and things of the like. They're all stunted in major ways and he's no exception but at the very least he seems to have empathy, which the others sorely lack.

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tape?

How did the kids get it? Saying Gerri because Logan caught her and Hugo laughing at it, and he specifically said not to invite her to the next meeting.

also, all the Kerry stuff in this episode was amazing lol

"Viking Funeral" and a bunch of other comments he made to her about already working for the other team.

But yea this is an interesting theory.


>tape?
>
>How did the kids get it? Saying Gerri because Logan caught her
>and Hugo laughing at it, and he specifically said not to
>invite her to the next meeting.
>
>also, all the Kerry stuff in this episode was amazing lol

Yes Kerry is great. The "human string cheese" line was incredible.

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This show always knocks these things out of the park and did it one more time. From Roman's rubbing of Connor to Kendall's Buddhist musings to the fucking karaoke. Christ.


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Read that somewhere over the weekend and it made me laugh.

That said, yall really did make me realize that Roman really is the smartest one.



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You think you’re in for the barnburner awkward wedding to end all awkward weddings, and you get… this. Offscreen at that. Set up one narrative and expertly hijack it.

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What we got was a a twist of epic proportions, so I’m mot complaining.

Balsy move IMO, and I hope this turns into a bloody knife fight battle royale.

All sides considered, I want to see Tom win it and fuck the Roy kids in the process, while Greg either gets a fat inheritance from Logan, or a a cushy position in the company due to Tom’s victory.

Not that I care about any of these awful people.

But that’s probably my favorite of the possible outcomes I can see at the moment.

I mean, it makes sense, but when and how was completely aces. Having the kids trapped was genius.

Poor Connor though. His last shot was so sad...

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>I mean, it makes sense, but when and how was completely aces.
>Having the kids trapped was genius.
>
>Poor Connor though. His last shot was so sad...

they mention twice that Logan had Connor's mom admitted to a mental hospital in that episode, Connor doesn't wilt when he learns that Logan died, and he gets married with a smile on his face at the end. He's at peace with Logan passing and grateful for Willa.

he's the least involved and the most content by the end of episode 4

(and had no intention to)
that's why his immediate reaction was 'he never loved me'

but i agree he fared better than the others. i also thought his honest exchange with Willa was pretty great.

even with that sad turnout at the wedding, Connor had a better day than most.

I thought if they did this it would be mid season at best

It took a set to do this so early

Always tough to nail something like this and they fucking nailed it.

For all the grief he gets and deserves, Ken was the Roy kid who handled everything best. What performances by all the actors involved.

I know they will nail it in these last 7, but it's almost too bad they already decided this is the final season. While Logan would and will be sorely missed no matter how long they continue on for, the upcoming battles for power are going to be fucking *electric*. They could do this for 5 more seasons.

This is gonna be fun.

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I take back any doubts I had of episode 1.

I got home late last night so didn't get to see. Saw an article this morning on Vulture and I was confused clicked on it but it was paywalled so I just went back. Totally forgot I was no longer caught up. Saw another one about the cast being surprised about the big development and that's when it clicked that I missed last nights episode lol

I caught it on my phone in bits and pieces this morning but I will definitely rewatch tonight. I don't remember the last time it felt like there was a must watch episode (of any TV show) that actually delivered.

Very interested in how this changes people. I think we will finally get to see what everyone is really like/after and the preview for next week definitely teases that.


On a lighter note I loved the whole "don't turn me into a word, I'm a person".

>I know they will nail it in these last 7, but it's almost too
>bad they already decided this is the final season. While Logan
>would and will be sorely missed no matter how long they
>continue on for, the upcoming battles for power are going to
>be fucking *electric*. They could do this for 5 more seasons.

the show is called "Succession", and ending it now seems right. TV shows get stale when there is nothing propelling a change to the characters, and I cannot imagine any future plots that will compare to the kids versus their father.

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I'm just saying I think the acting and the writing is so good that there's a world where they *could* have ridden the forthcoming battle for power and the fallout from all of this for another 2 or 3 seasons.

But I agree, it's tidier and will likely ultimately be the best decision to wrap it up now. I just don't want to leave this world ever haha.

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We obviously don't know where this ends yet but there's always the potential for spinoffs. I think I'm going to hold off on saying we should get one until we see where things go.

the abruptness of it, the messiness of the reactions/emotions, mixed with the maneuvering and looking ahead.

re-watching it now. the first time, it was just an experience. the second time i'm just appreciating the execution

this is fucking masterful.

No hallmark bs


>the abruptness of it, the messiness of the
>reactions/emotions, mixed with the maneuvering and looking
>ahead.
>
>re-watching it now. the first time, it was just an experience.
>the second time i'm just appreciating the execution
>
>this is fucking masterful.

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Logan off camera, no grand "final words," the madness of finding out at an inopportune time.

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this is elite television...I don't watch as much "prestige" TV as others but I can't recall a show feeling like a documentary like this really ever. Even Sopranos which was probably my favorite show, it still always felt like "wow, Gandolfini is fuckin ON tonight!" rather than just being a fly on the wall in Satriale's back room.

But Succession is a different animal altogether.

I think Jeremy Strong is really one of the best actors I've ever seen. It sounds like his "method" acting wore itself thin on the set , but it's hard to deny the results. What he's put on film from the Italian villa confession to the Logan death phone call on the boat is Mahomes-ian; in other words, there's elite and then even above that is another tier of performance.

Knowing what we know now, I think the episode 3 scene in the karaoke room is especially profound. Logan meant what he said. He loves them, but they're not equipped for real life... "you're not serious people" And, again, the only pragmatic child is Roman who again gets bulldozed by his hothead siblings. Roman is NOT motivated by "fuck Dad" like Shiv and Kendal.

Logan chose Roman. He chose Roman by saying "I need you" about ATN, and he put Roman through one final trial by firing Geri. Roman firing Geri 1) proves Roman can be the killer Logan needs him to be and 2) unburdens Roman from his weird mommy complex , which to Logan is Roman's only red flag. Logan is telling us here at the very end that he thinks all the other kids are shitheads but when he says to Roman "I need you" he means it.

I think/hope the rest of the season sees Roman coming to terms with taking the mantle, navigating Madsen and the election figuring out how he can leverage Geri to get where he wants to go. I never feel like Roman is "playing business person" like Shiv and Kendall are.

I wouldn't have watched the last ep again if my wife had watched it for the first time with me lol. So I ended up watching it a 2nd time by default, but I would've been fine if I hadn't. That was an emotional fucking ride.

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