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Not the best comic book movie ever made like some are proclaiming but it's good.

First act is really uneven. But once this thing takes off, it's fucking awesome and emotional.

Keaton steals it as Batman. Sasha Calle is good as Supergirl, it's just too bad she's underutilized.

Can't wait to see the finished product with the end credits scenes they're holding back and cleaned up effects.

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It does have some of the most bizarre fan service that I’ve ever seen in one of these movies, and I’m not mad about it at all. I don’t want to spoil anything, but if you know the deal, it’s pretty crazy.

I actually liked Ezra Miller even though it’s kind of a Multiplicity situation where the other flash is the idiot one.

It definitely has a video game level of super effects occasionally, but I’ll excuse it because it does feel a lot like one of the DC animated movies in spirit, this one’s just in live action.

And the Danny Elfman music for Batman is still pretty great. I might post more specifics later after spoilers.

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Felt like they were checking off boxes of what they had to do, who they had to show, etc. and for the most part I didn’t mind. They really shoehorned in the “I’m Batman” and “Let’s get nuts” lines though lol. And I really disliked the CGI during the time travel sequences.

Also Keaton’s Batman was never an amazing fighter (just cause the suit was impossible to move in), and he’s shown to be VERY rusty when the Flashes find him… but then he puts on the suit and moves with the agility of a dancer and hits with the power of Bane. There were moments like this where I just had to turn my brain off and count my blessings that we got to see Keaton in the role again.

All that said, Flashpoint is one of my favorite comic book stories, and while the animated adaptation is much better, this one was fun throughout. The comedic moments mostly worked for me. It’s too bad Ezra is a weirdo, cause they are great in this role. Like bwood said, I wish Cara had been used better. I think that would have given the climax a much more emotional impact.

Yeah, the jokes are okay, there are a few cool moments, etc... but the pacing drags in spots (and blazes too fast in others), the CGI is frequently terrible, and the cameos at the end are... unsettling for reasons those who've seen it will understand.

I don't want to say it's *worse* than Black Adam, because the lightness of tone means it's more watchable at least... but, man, it's still just more mid mid mid stuff from DC. These movies have no voice, no soul. It's all just set ups to future things and set ups for nostalgia cameos.

Miller is fine, Keaton has a little fun when he's not replaced by an obvious 20-year-old stunt man or CGI body double that doesn't resemble the movement of Keaton whatsoever. Supergirl acquits herself best, but also is given nothing to do. Zod is a nothing.

Like... what's the point, man? Ultimately all of these movies, especially in the DC universe, need a story to tell. The bones of a decent story is clearly here, and the movie's kind of at its best I thought when Barry was teaching Younger Barry how to use his powers. It started to feel more focused on character, more of an actual story... but it just keeps losing sight of it for all the Universe Stuff and all the Big CGI Sequence stuff. A shame!

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something like 73% of the audience is male...compared to the typical 60-ish% for these super hero flicks.

so a lot of women stayed home.

with the way wb/dc handled the black adam fallout (trashing the rock in the media like wb/dc hadnt already been a disorganized clusterfuck) combined with the way they handled the ezra miller drama in the lead-up to the flash...i wonder if they are doing long or even medium term damage to the wb/dc brand.

i mean...shit...look at what theyre doing to cnn.

the identity of the company is looking like a bunch of tone deaf assholes who think their audience are a bunch of idiots who will accept whatever shit theyre shoveling.

Worldwide box office:

Guardians 2: 863M
Thor 3: 853M
Spider-Man: 880M
Black Panther: 1.34B
Ant-Man 2: 622M
Infinity War: 2.04B
Captain Marvel: 1.12B
Endgame: 2.79B
Spider-Man 2: 1.13B
Black Widow: 379M
Shang-Chi: 432M
Eternals: 402M
Spider-Man 3: 1.91B
Dr. Strange 2: 955M
Black Panther 2: 859M
Thor 4: 760M
Ant-Man 3: 476M
Guardians 3: 821M

Like, save for the odd outlier here and there, that's a clear trend of 2018-2019, everyone was gung ho for these movies... and after COVID, people care less. Even if I wave my hand at that Black Widow/Shang-Chi/Eternals batch... Black Panther sequel down, Thor sequel down, Ant-Man sequel down, the final Guardians movie will finish either even or down.

People just seem worn out by these movies. Not of superhero movies, mind you-- the Spider-Verses are doing very well, the Robert Pattinson Batman did very well-- but just of superhero movies that feel like the same old, same old. People have now seen dozens of these movies in the last decade-- they probably want to know why they need to see *this* one beyond "well, it's the next one!" And Disney and WB have been taking this cinematic universe shit for granted the last few years imo.

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NOT including Spidermans:

Domestic 2023 so far:
2: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
5: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

Domestic box office for 2022:
3: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
4: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
8: Thor: Love and Thunder

2021:
9: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

Close but no cigar:
11: Eternals
13: Black Widow

Seems to me, like having multiple films in the top 10 each year in the past 2 years is pretty good, and Black Widow premiering on HBOA Max probably kept it out of the top 10. (Eternals *was* a stinker.)

Is it realistic to expect a series of comic book films to stay level or grow each year, every year, forever?

Or are they doing as well as could be expected by everyone except money dudes and horserace fans??

Would going back to having 50 rom-coms instead be much different?

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Of course they make more money-- Disney spends more money on them than on anything else. Like, Ant Man 3 is fifth overall at the box office... but when you factor in marketing budget on top of production budget, it's really not turning profit when it only grosses that much worldwide.

>Is it realistic to expect a series of comic book films to stay level or grow each year, every year, forever?

Of course not. But you can also look at the money coming in on those movies and understand where in the course of this series' lifespan we currently are. I don't think pointing out where the current trend is is unreasonable.

>Or are they doing as well as could be expected by everyone except money dudes and horserace fans??

I don't think people expected in 2019 that, in merely four years, the sequels to these Marvel movies would make less than the ones that had just come out, no. Clearly Disney didn't expect that, as they were massively ramping up production on both Marvel movies and TV shows.

I'm not saying they're going to stop making Marvel movies or that Marvel movies aren't presently still making money for the most part. I'm saying I don't think the audiences showing increased indifference to the DC Cinematic Universe is an exclusively DC trend. MCU movies are also generally on a clear downward trajectory in terms of money-- and thus public interest-- from where they were 4-5 years ago.

And obviously the fact that cinematic releases in general make less money today plays a role here too... but I also just don't think the trend of superhero movies repeatedly coming under the reported tracking number for opening weekend box office is a coincidence. I think in the next year or two, we'll see more and more Marvel and DC cinematic universe movies underperform.

And I'm very curious to see how the marketplace responds-- hopefully they'll pivot to more unique, original visions. Obviously things like the Spider-Verse movies show that people aren't gradually losing interest in *superheroes*-- just in a particular type of product. I think someone like James Gunn doing Superman could be very interesting-- and hopefully Marvel will pivot and make fewer, more interesting, more distinctive movies going forward. (Even though I don't love the Deadpool movies, it's pretty clear that Deadpool 3 will be the biggest hit in the next 18-24 months of Marvel movies, in large part because it's going to stand out from the pack.)

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>Seems to me, like having multiple films in the top 10 each
>year in the past 2 years is pretty good, and Black Widow
>premiering on HBOA Max probably kept it out of the top 10.
>(Eternals *was* a stinker.)

I think you mixed up Black Widow and Wonder Woman 1984. Widow was never released on HBO Max and pretty sure it didn’t go to Disney Plus until it had a nice theatrical window


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>I think you mixed up Black Widow and Wonder Woman 1984. Widow
>was never released on HBO Max and pretty sure it didn’t go
>to Disney Plus until it had a nice theatrical window
>

Which definitely effected the box office, along with the usual effect that any COVID release suffered. That’s what led to the Scarlet/Disney lawsuit over royalties.

I guess VOD is popular, but wouldn’t you have to pay to subscribe to Disney + then pay an extra $20?

Pretty sure the opening weekend of Widow demolished WW1984 (wasn’t WW1984 free on HBO Max day and date?)

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>I guess VOD is popular, but wouldn’t you have to pay to
>subscribe to Disney + then pay an extra $20?

Yeah, not sure how many they did this with, but I remember Onward and Black Widow had this release model. Soul was released for free for members though iirc.

>
>Pretty sure the opening weekend of Widow demolished WW1984
>(wasn’t WW1984 free on HBO Max day and date?)
>

And yeah, all 2020 WB releases were free if you had a Max account. I think it only became an issue for Tenet cause Nolan didn’t want everyone’s royalties fucked with.

Killing Widow made her standalone movie uncompelling. I still haven't and may never see it. They should have killed Hawkeye, who already got lucky in Ultron, and having become Ronin, should have jumped the cliff so that his family would only know the heroic things he did. They eliminated a lot of potential storylines killing Widow.

The Russo brothers had no idea how to handle Hulk and they fucked up his role (or lack of) in the final fight. Joss Whedon is a fucking creep but he was masterful in how he handled Hulk. There were some other dumb things, such as the walk of women "protecting" the most powerful of them.

I honestly never walked out of a Marvel movie as let down as I did after Endgame. I've talked to a lot of people who felt similarly let down.

My anger/disappointment aside, the execution of the grand finale, and its premise, left folks underwhelmed and less excited about what's coming.

Spider-Man movies are just better told and put together. And, Chadwick was supposed to lead the MCU for the foreseeable future. His death still looms large.

Streaming and some of the TV shows have diminished the glitter of some of the movies as well. And don't forget the impact of movies not playing in China.

>Worldwide box office:
>
>Guardians 2: 863M
>Thor 3: 853M
>Spider-Man: 880M
>Black Panther: 1.34B
>Ant-Man 2: 622M
>Infinity War: 2.04B
>Captain Marvel: 1.12B
>Endgame: 2.79B
>Spider-Man 2: 1.13B
>Black Widow: 379M
>Shang-Chi: 432M
>Eternals: 402M
>Spider-Man 3: 1.91B
>Dr. Strange 2: 955M
>Black Panther 2: 859M
>Thor 4: 760M
>Ant-Man 3: 476M
>Guardians 3: 821M
>
>Like, save for the odd outlier here and there, that's a clear
>trend of 2018-2019, everyone was gung ho for these movies...
>and after COVID, people care less. Even if I wave my hand at
>that Black Widow/Shang-Chi/Eternals batch... Black Panther
>sequel down, Thor sequel down, Ant-Man sequel down, the final
>Guardians movie will finish either even or down.
>
>People just seem worn out by these movies. Not of superhero
>movies, mind you-- the Spider-Verses are doing very well, the
>Robert Pattinson Batman did very well-- but just of superhero
>movies that feel like the same old, same old. People have now
>seen dozens of these movies in the last decade-- they probably
>want to know why they need to see *this* one beyond "well,
>it's the next one!" And Disney and WB have been taking this
>cinematic universe shit for granted the last few years imo.
>
>

>Killing Widow made her standalone movie uncompelling. I
>still haven't and may never see it. They should have killed
>Hawkeye, who already got lucky in Ultron, and having become
>Ronin, should have jumped the cliff so that his family would
>only know the heroic things he did. They eliminated a lot of
>potential storylines killing Widow.
>
>The Russo brothers had no idea how to handle Hulk and they
>fucked up his role (or lack of) in the final fight. Joss
>Whedon is a fucking creep but he was masterful in how he
>handled Hulk. There were some other dumb things, such as the
>walk of women "protecting" the most powerful of them.
>
>I honestly never walked out of a Marvel movie as let down as I
>did after Endgame. I've talked to a lot of people who felt
>similarly let down.
>
>My anger/disappointment aside, the execution of the grand
>finale, and its premise, left folks underwhelmed and less
>excited about what's coming.
>
>Spider-Man movies are just better told and put together. And,
>Chadwick was supposed to lead the MCU for the foreseeable
>future. His death still looms large.
>
>Streaming and some of the TV shows have diminished the glitter
>of some of the movies as well. And don't forget the impact of
>movies not playing in China.
>
>>Worldwide box office:
>>
>>Guardians 2: 863M
>>Thor 3: 853M
>>Spider-Man: 880M
>>Black Panther: 1.34B
>>Ant-Man 2: 622M
>>Infinity War: 2.04B
>>Captain Marvel: 1.12B
>>Endgame: 2.79B
>>Spider-Man 2: 1.13B
>>Black Widow: 379M
>>Shang-Chi: 432M
>>Eternals: 402M
>>Spider-Man 3: 1.91B
>>Dr. Strange 2: 955M
>>Black Panther 2: 859M
>>Thor 4: 760M
>>Ant-Man 3: 476M
>>Guardians 3: 821M
>>
>>Like, save for the odd outlier here and there, that's a
>clear
>>trend of 2018-2019, everyone was gung ho for these movies...
>>and after COVID, people care less. Even if I wave my hand at
>>that Black Widow/Shang-Chi/Eternals batch... Black Panther
>>sequel down, Thor sequel down, Ant-Man sequel down, the
>final
>>Guardians movie will finish either even or down.
>>
>>People just seem worn out by these movies. Not of superhero
>>movies, mind you-- the Spider-Verses are doing very well,
>the
>>Robert Pattinson Batman did very well-- but just of
>superhero
>>movies that feel like the same old, same old. People have
>now
>>seen dozens of these movies in the last decade-- they
>probably
>>want to know why they need to see *this* one beyond "well,
>>it's the next one!" And Disney and WB have been taking this
>>cinematic universe shit for granted the last few years imo.
>>
>>
>

I have critiques, but, like the movie, they ultimately lead nowhere.

Frankly, it doesn't lend itself well to critique. It's just not that kind of movie. Lots of fan service in a light, fun package that could have been more than it was.

The end.

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-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

I just decided to wait a few weeks for a digital release.

It's been a week, I'm posting what got me in the theater.

When the realities collide....

Not only do we see George Reeves as Superman - and Christopher Reeves and Helen Slater, but we get Nicholas Cage as Superman from the unproduced Tim Burton Superman of the 1990s, scripted by Kevin Smith.

And he's fighting a giant spider - the one that turned up in mecha form in Wild Wild West.

Unless you went to Comic Con in the 1990s or watched Kevin Smith interviews you'd have *no idea* why he was there.

That's the craziest fan service I could ever imagine.

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Feels like they specifically put that in so Kevin Smith would fanboy about it and it worked.


I'm seeing on Saturday, looks like numbers aren't good which kinda sucks since they were ready to greenlight a Keaton Beyond Batman movie if this was a hit and that is the movie I'd like to see

That was gonna be the new status quo before they ditched everything.

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>but we get Nicholas Cage as Superman
>from the unproduced Tim Burton Superman of the 1990s, scripted
>by Kevin Smith.
>
>And he's fighting a giant spider - the one that turned up in
>mecha form in Wild Wild West.
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>Unless you went to Comic Con in the 1990s or watched Kevin
>Smith interviews you'd have *no idea* why he was there.
>
>That's the craziest fan service I could ever imagine.

Think about how much money they spent on the intense CGI in that sequence-- on something that will absolutely bewilder 95% of audience members, lmao.

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the whole 'what was the point?' of it all was a bit of a letdown.

He’s a trash human, but he’s really entertaining in this. I’m never a stickler for CG, but this is about the worst I’ve seen. Those babies and that dog looked worse than plastic.

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