And by reckless I mean something in a movie that could inspire real life harmful consequences.


Remember when the MTA worker was set on fire like the scene from the movie Money Train?

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/27/nyregion/attackers-set-fire-to-token-clerk-in-brooklyn-subway-station.html

I don't know if I would have called it in advance but in retrospect it seems pretty reckless.

I definitely think it could be forseen that kids would try that stunt of lying in the road like they did in the movie the Program.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-10-20-1993293138-story.html

Anything else comes to mind?

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i'm sure it happens all the time, but nothing comes to mind. if there are other examples, i think scenes like that should be restored to catalog films.

i was just thinking about all the hysteria surrounding joker. there was this satanic panic there would be anarchy in the streets and an incel uprising that didn't come to pass.

Like, there's countless shit in action/horror/comedy movies that would be awful if someone did it in real life. I don't really know that that's "reckless." It just sucks that someone did it. If no one did it, no one would think it's reckless, y'know?

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like the high school kids lying in the road for football initiation. Like that was bound to happen.


I would think anything that glamorizes suicide would be reckless (and I imagine studio execs stay away from stories that do that).


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Because a lot of that is just people misinterpreting the message, or the director leaving the message up to interpretation. So when I see the word “glorify” in discussions like this, I think it’s often subject to that person’s biases. I was tempted to answer the OP with “all the old movies that glorify smoking,” but someone else could argue those movies were just a reflection of the times, or they might point to movies where just the bad guys/anti-heroes smoke.

Take Fight Club, for instance, which has already come up in this post. To me, and to lots of other people, it’s clearly NOT glorifying the behavior we see from Tyler Durden and co. But if you look at the reaction from all the dumbasses who misinterpreted the message, you might argue it was, or at least that it glorified Durden’s behavior by accident.

and Niggaz4Life.

One felt like an accurate portrayal of a certain lifestyle, the other one felt like a glorification cartoon-ish version of a certain lifestyle.


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>And by reckless I mean something in a movie that could
>inspire real life harmful consequences.

I mean you're referring a 27 year old and 29 year old movies. (Also "violent code games" too.)

But I'll play the game and go with:
"Triumph of the Will (Triumph des Willens)" 1934, by Leni Riefenstah.

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>>And by reckless I mean something in a movie that could
>>inspire real life harmful consequences.
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>I mean you're referring a 27 year old and 29 year old movies.
>(Also "violent code games" too.)
>
>But I'll play the game and go with:
>"Triumph of the Will (Triumph des Willens)" 1934, by Leni
>Riefenstah.

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so yeah i agree

Did people think it would inspire people to do...what exactly?

I remember the same thing was said about Fight Club. When I saw it I didn't see how that could happen.


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Because a bunch of men in early adulthood who believe that modern capitalism's primary effect has been alienating them from some natural, proper, and true sense of masculinity and therefore fall under the spell of somebody offering a violent, destructive way to access that masculinity and reclaim their deserved social status seems pretty apt to me now. Definitely didn't at the time though. Whoops.

It didn't happen because of the movie, obviously. Mostly because the movie is reflecting, not prescribing. It happens like clockwork, and the movie is allegorizing that phenomenon.

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There was all this discourse about how reckless it was to release a movie like that in this day and age, but to me it came across like the media wanted someone to shoot up a theater just so they could say “see? We told you someone would shoot up a theater!”

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People are going to do crazy things.

They'll get their ideas from somewhere.

That doesn't make it the fault, or problem, of the source of that idea, unless that source is overtly encouraging or promoting the act.

It's art. And art, like any deranged person, pulls ideas from somewhere.

Sometimes it pulls from real life that already exists.

To that end, I can't think of anything that fits strong enough criteria for me to call it reckless.

Frankly, I find it more reckless to lay blame at the feet of sincerely created art for the actions of reckless human beings.

I'm sure there are films or books that fit some criteria that I would accept, but I can't think of any.

I think we have films that have aged poorly in their treatment of certain subjects, such as race or homosexuality, that trivializes those issues. I think there's far more to pull from for that discussion.

Like I get "it's just art" argument. It persuades me to a certain extent. But I do think art influences people in such a way we should be thoughtful and responsible about what we glorify, elevate or feature. And when I say we, I am not talking about the government.

I mean the Program scene with the kids in the road for a football initiation is the easy example that comes to mind. I think they filmmakers should have asked themselves, how important is this scene to the movie and is it worth it given that it might inspire other kids to do it?

I think that's a responsible reasonable approach but I get that some folks might reject that approach outright and just dismiss that responsibility as ,"it's just art" and art doesn't have that responsibility.

However, if that is the approach, it seems a bit hypocritical or inconsistent to say Art doesn't have that responsibility I described but should be thoughtful and responsible when it comes to using the N word or F word, or making fun or jokes on people based on their sexuality or race. Like why should a film be responsible and thoughtful about depictions of race, sex, sexuality but then draw the line at violence, drug use or other things? It's two different sides of the same culture war (but the same type of argument).

Like I like Handles response above regarding the Nazi movie, the same can be said for Birth of a Nation.

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>Like I get "it's just art" argument. It persuades me to a
>certain extent. But I do think art influences people in such
>a way we should be thoughtful and responsible about what we
>glorify, elevate or feature. And when I say we, I am not
>talking about the government.
>
>I mean the Program scene with the kids in the road for a
>football initiation is the easy example that comes to mind. I
>think they filmmakers should have asked themselves, how
>important is this scene to the movie and is it worth it given
>that it might inspire other kids to do it?
>
>I think that's a responsible reasonable approach but I get
>that some folks might reject that approach outright and just
>dismiss that responsibility as ,"it's just art" and art
>doesn't have that responsibility.
>
>However, if that is the approach, it seems a bit hypocritical
>or inconsistent to say Art doesn't have that responsibility I
>described but should be thoughtful and responsible when it
>comes to using the N word or F word, or making fun or jokes on
>people based on their sexuality or race. Like why should a
>film be responsible and thoughtful about depictions of race,
>sex, sexuality but then draw the line at violence, drug use or
>other things? It's two different sides of the same culture war
>(but the same type of argument).

Good points. I think this is where nuance and context come into play.

I'll come back to this later, but for now, my take is that there are still contextual reasons to have the N word or F word, if it is in service to a quality story, depicting the harsh realities behind those words. When it becomes flippant and casual in a way that trivializes those things, then it becomes problematic.

But then it's arguable that these issues impact me personally, thus I have a heightened sensitivity to to them. I experienced a lot of violence growing up, and was on the receiving end of a fair amount of gang violence, but I'm about two decades removed from that exposure, so perhaps it doesn't trigger me in the same way.

That said, i agree that this is a minefield and it may be impossible to hit both sides with contradicting myself somehow.

That's why the government should stay out of it.

Like the government can't tell the difference between the n word used recklessly by QT in Pulp Fiction versus, IDK, Paid in Full (or even Django but I don't want to start that fight).




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"You know Tom Cruise does his own stunts, right?!" with that gleam of stupidity like they could, too, if given the chance.

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Didn't the scene get removed for exactly this reason?

EDIT: This is what I get for reading half your post, lol.

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I don't know, I'm probably reaching, but it's such a prevalent trope and I worry it feeds suicidal thinking. I feel like movies imply there's something more powerful about picking a solution that involves your suffering/death than finding a solution that DOESN'T. Oh well, at least an entire religion isn't based around it...

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I was on a plane a few years back and chose Old school as my in flight movie and I right away noticed that part of the scene was missing. I wrongfully assumed I was watching a clean version of the flick - it WASN’T a clean version , they had just taken out that part which shows you how poorly that part had aged.

Like you watch it now and just about everything looks contemporary ....until they break out a flip-phone or drop a needlessly cringey homophobic joke.

Like I will watch a move like Old School with my boys and they are dying laughing until a joke like that and they will cringe.


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Late 2000s movies too lol. So bad.

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Not sure how OKP comes down on that film, but that movie was always a bit cringe to me - especially in retrospect. I only saw it once, way back when it came out on vhs. I was probably in 7th grade at the time. I was far from a square, but also knew right from wrong and was turned off by most of the characters…though I was a fan of Harold Hunter bc I was big into skating at the time.

Anyway, I remember a scene with kids that looked as young as 10 smoking a blunt on a couch. I knew there were kids out there doing that. But I find it pretty reckless that a grown/old ass dude was filming them.

I tend to fall in the “people should know better than to emulate anything they see on film” camp, but some aspects of the film (if I recall correctly since it’s been 25+ years now) were very cringe.

But I'm generally not someone who feels artists should have the right to do or say everything in their art.

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So for the entire series Terrance Howard and the Reality TV Show Chick have had an on and off thing in very dramatic and clearly toxic relationship.

Spoiler Alert:

So for Terrance Howard to leave his bad ass fiancee Nicole Ari Parker and get with Shelby Parker reasoning that because he hates her so much, they must be in love.

It's not that serious, but to give people the idea that toxic relationships where you hate your partner is a sign of true love, that ain't it.




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>So for Terrance Howard to leave his bad ass fiancee Nicole Ari
>Parker and get with Shelby Parker reasoning that because he
>hates her so much, they must be in love.

I'm taking Melissa over Nicole ALL DAY if we just being superficial


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Forgot this was in the original post LOL!

Chris Cooper with oily, burned up hands pumps gas into subway attendants’ booths and then lights them on fire.


Now that’s one that actually did happen and the movie was heavily boycotted for putting that out in the world, but the crime wasn’t attributed to the movie so it was a very strange coincidence.


It’s a really impressively so bad it’s good watch if you’ve never seen it.

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