I.e. the IMDb or Metacritic user scores.

I feel there was a point in history where they generally reflected the broader audience's reception, but nowadays it feels like every movie, series or game gets downvoted to oblivion for being "woke" unless it's clearly pandering to the eternally online anti-woke asshole contingent.

I'm starting to think user reviews should go the way of unmoderated comment sections under news articles. And I should know better than to read that shit in the first place, I know.

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Whats troubling is its always directed at movies or shows with female leads or people of color. She Hulk, Captain Marvel, Star Wars, House Of The Dragon once people realize the Sea Snake and his family were black, etc etc

I still look at the critics score for the most part

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I mean bots got the Snyder cut released.

The paid like 60 millions dollars to release a 4:3 aspect ratio film and then in black and white.

No real human, other then incels are maladroits, were asking for that.

I would not surprise me at all if it comes out that Snyder paid for the bots.

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but I'm sure they play a role.

Don't underestimate the disproportionate amount of incels and maladroits among actively contributing members of the online public, though.

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Don’t they have some strange algorithm that they keep super secret? if i remember correctly, they were trying to counteract recency bias, but as a result their “top users” enormously outweigh everyone else when deciding the scores.

I pay attention to RT user scores when it seems like there’s a big difference between critical and public reaction, but that’s about it.

I try not to even come to PTP before I’ve seen something so my opinion isn’t colored by anyone else.

I think back to the Dreamcast and OG Xbox era when I relied too heavily on IGN ratings and clearly missed out on some fan faves because they weren’t rated highly enough, based on my own arbitrary limit.

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>I try not to even come to PTP before I’ve seen something so
>my opinion isn’t colored by anyone else.
>

PTP burned me pretty good with all that Day Shift hype.

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And want to see in the theater.

If the critics are at 50% and fans have it at 92%, I’ll probably wait until it hits streaming.

If critics have it at 74 and the fans give it an 87, I’ll probably see it in theaters.

It can get a little deeper than that, depending on the movie. But by and large, that’s proven to be a relatively useful guide. I love seeing movies in theater, even movies that aren’t must see, but I still want to ensure I have a good shot at enjoying the movie.

I don’t even bother for films I’m already sold on, or are on a streaming service I have.

I think big differences tend to point to culture war influences, where smaller differences often seem to be the result of critics being a little more serious while audiences simply looking for a good time.

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i've seen it, i wouldn't deny it, but i also still believe the ratings do and will even themselves out. i see it across social media, so i wouldn't pin it on IMDb. more often than not, when i'm on IMDb, i'm reading about an old movie or show anyway, so it doesn't tend to pop up. when i do look at the reviews of new releases or the composite score, i'm literate enough to cut through the crap and recognize when something is attracting a lot of momentary attention.

overall, my views on voting haven't changed. everyone should give their honest opinion via voting. i love the democracy of that.

i wasn't always good about rating titles on IMDb until netflix changed from stars to thumbs and i realized i needed a good place to keep track of what i've watched. my ratings aren't public, but i'm proud to contribute to the composite score and the occasional review. i value user ratings and reviews as much as if not more than professional critics'.

occasionally i click on the number of ratings for a title and look at the demographics of the raters, which are self-declared age and gender. every once in a while that will sway me on whether to watch something. i don't see a lot of female trolls online. that tends to be a guy thing.


>I'm starting to think user reviews should go the way of
>unmoderated comment sections under news articles. And I should
>know better than to read that shit in the first place, I
>know.

this is censorship. it will be a sad day when the billion- and trillion-dollar businesses finally silence the masses. trolls are still in the minority, albeit growing.

Those flat out bore me as it feels like they just want to get in line with the narrative. Give me regular peoples opinions any day. Good, bad, disingenuous in either direction. At least they feel more honest and personal to me.

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Both trashed and acclaimed movies have quite a bit of deviation from the mean among the critic scores. Attitudes are clearly shifting when it comes to topics like representation or sexism, but I think that's just a matter of media writers generally being ahead of the curve when it comes to social issues. Calling it a "narrative" that people "get in line" with kind of makes it look like there's a deliberate agenda at play.

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There have been myriad articles written about movies/TV shows that have an abysmal audience score *before the movie is released,* lol. Audience scores are review-bombed into oblivion.

Critics' "scores" on Rotten Tomatoes and shit are also bad for other reasons, but at least the people writing those review *see the movie or show* lmao.

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then critic reviews tend to be too self-conscious, and audience score, just reactive.

i suppose at least you know the critics have actually seen the movie or show, but if i get any sense that culture war noise is a driving force of the split, i'm not gonna rely much on either one.

but thinking about it, i can't remember the last time either one of these things had any bearing on what i'm gonna see or not see. Most of the time I look at these things after the fact.

Rotten Tomatoes is a pox, a disease on the discourse. (And I say that as someone who had his reviews featured there at one point!)

The best thing to do is find people you trust-- critics and/or friends. I have a few critics I follow whose work is *always* interesting to me, and if they say they love something, I'm compelled to check it out. I won't always like it, but they'll move the needle for me.

But that requires reading a bunch of reviews and seeing what people actually say. And that feels wildly out of fashion these days lol.

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i might hear it second hand that something is getting good/bad reviews, but I don't recall really going to RT or metacritic to check a score before i see something.

i might go to RT confirm if some 90/30 screenshot being shared is real, but that's about it.

if someone i trust is big upping something i haven't heard of, it could convince me to check for it. If it's something I was already interested in, at the most it could lower my expectations, but i'll always check for myself.

maybe I should start. The elevated horror movement has created some classics, but man has it also created some frustrating movies.

I've gotten pretty good at reading between the lines of critics reviews so that's mainly what I stick with, especially since audience scores tend to really reward the kind of movies I've grown tired of lately.

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This is just textbook shit. Make something in the fantasy/sci-fi/superhero genre where there's some degree of focus on women and/or minorities, and for "unexplainable reasons," the audience score is immediately in the shitter.

It happens time and time again. Audience scores mean nothing. Never have, never will.

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Tied for the highest rated episode in TV history on IMDB.

Now, since that got reported on Twitter, the score has now magically dipped down to 8.1/10, because a number of people went in and gave it a score of 1 in retaliation.

This is just a nice lil' microcosm of why IMDB user reviews are completely worthless, lol.

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less than 1% of film and television

The most glaring examples are, sure, but anything that women and minority leads is subject to review-bombing— or anything based on existing IP (aka most new movies and shows) where the race of a character has changed (aka a pretty decent chunk of new movies and shows). That’s such a higher percentage than 1% of movies.

And especially on IMDB, you far more frequently these days see a sea of 10/10s and 1/10s than you ever did 20 or even 10 years ago. Bots are far more prevalent, review-bombing is far more prevalent. Gone are the days of the early 2000s where people largely used the reviews section to actually, yknow, write reviews.

And as discourse (from both online people *and* online critics, to be fair) becomes increasingly binary, I doubt we see this change any time soon. And it’s not just the racists, misogynists, and transphobes— we see it the other way increasingly too, where a vocal collective of online viewers insist depiction is endorsement in any movie that pushes buttons or explores morally grey areas of humanity. People online increasingly look to be on a Pro-Film team or Anti-Film team, and that just represents the death of real discourse (and it’s why I’ve always hated the Rotten vs Fresh dynamic of RT since the beginning, as it encourages that binary imo).

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>The most glaring examples are, sure, but anything that women
>and minority leads is subject to review-bombing— or anything
>based on existing IP (aka most new movies and shows) where the
>race of a character has changed (aka a pretty decent chunk of
>new movies and shows). That’s such a higher percentage than
>1% of movies.

IMDb is a database for all film and television. what you're referring to is as i said. let's hope it never becomes more than that, but at the current rate, it probably will.


>And especially on IMDB, you far more frequently these days see
>a sea of 10/10s and 1/10s than you ever did 20 or even 10
>years ago.

that sounds right but not empirical. before netflix did away with star ratings, i noticed the same issue: 1 and 5 stars with not much in between. you might remember amy schumer's standup special being the last straw for the ratings.

anecdotally, the few reviews i've written on IMDB i've noticed go through patterns of being voted down and then suddenly the number of votes changes. for 'country music,' i didn't whine about the modest coverage of george strait (yes, that was a thing; for the longest time, the longest review was 0 of 1 found helpful). for 'dune,' i didn't give it a score on either extreme, like you said, but it was more positive than negative when many came there to trash it. i don't know what's going on with 'video music box.' maybe my take sucked, but i don't think so. i had fun writing those anyway and won't stop.


>Bots are far more prevalent, review-bombing is far
>more prevalent. Gone are the days of the early 2000s where
>people largely used the reviews section to actually, yknow,
>write reviews.

i really don't know how prevalent bots are on IMDb. i give reviewers the benefit of the doubt that they are numbskulls. for ratings, i know studios cook the books. low-budget independent films often have few ratings (e.g., under 100) and reviews, but they're glowing without any professional coverage. eventually sometimes a disinterested party bothers to review it. again: media literacy.


>And as discourse (from both online people *and* online
>critics, to be fair) becomes increasingly binary, I doubt we
>see this change any time soon.

agreed, and as a lover of nuance and variety and someone who at least tries to take each individual as such, that makes me sad.


>People online increasingly look to be on a Pro-Film team or
>Anti-Film team, and that just represents the death of real
>discourse

that's been my observation online in general in recent years. i considered myself as somewhat "taking off" the rump years, retreating into further self-imposed obscurity, characteristically stubbornly optimistic we'd somehow bounce back. i've come to accept there's no going back and just leave my little seeds of self wherever it amuses me, like a subway jackoff artist.


>(and it’s why I’ve always hated the Rotten vs
>Fresh dynamic of RT since the beginning, as it encourages that
>binary imo).

for me, 100% fresh ironically may be 100% bland. that's why i dig user reviews and credible rating data.

Of a film or show is rooted in homophobia, misogyny, and racism?

Moreover, review bombing CLEARLY taints those particular reviews irreparably.

“Professional” Critical reviews are often self-absorbed garbage from ex-film students who have lost sight of how fans receive the medium. I’ve seen too many moronic critiques from professionals to give them much credence whatsoever, from an individual standpoint.

But that’s me. I still see the value in the consensus- particularly if I see a pattern within those reviews. Sometimes that value is detection of a bias, sometimes that value is highlighting a particular performance.

That said, there is a lot to be said for the Wisdom Of The Crowd. A broad, general consensus taken from varying sources from widely differing perspectives IS a reasonably objective barometer, and that includes user reviews. ignoring clearly tainted reviews is part of that.