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"Top Gun: Maverick discussion post (Joseph Kosinski, 2022)"


          

The first one is part of the holy trinity of cinematic Caucasity. Tony Scott and the dogfights save that movie.

This shit however...







YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This might be the movie of the summer.

Every story beat had emotional payoff.

The aerial combat in this shit is W-I-L-D!!!!!!

There's stuff in here that you'll NEVER see in a superhero movie.

Go see this in IMAX. I saw it in IMAX and it was shot in IMAX. Trust me when I say that this is meant to be EXPERIENCED large and loud!

Can't wait to see this shit again.

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I can’t wait
May 11th 2022
1
Not sure if you're being tongue and cheek with this
May 12th 2022
3
      RE: Not sure if you're being tongue and cheek with this
May 12th 2022
4
      Not just the photo from the trailer?
May 12th 2022
6
           RE: Not just the photo from the trailer?
May 12th 2022
7
      No i literally love everything about the first top gun
May 12th 2022
9
Cruise bout to remind people what it is. I cant wait.
May 11th 2022
2
Man WHAT? The OG is timeless!
May 12th 2022
5
^^^^^
May 12th 2022
8
Same man
May 12th 2022
10
The OG is hot trash -and I saw it 10 times
May 13th 2022
11
We might have to meet in Temecula bruh
May 13th 2022
12
      I'm L.A. I'll make that drive
May 13th 2022
13
           Fuck Temecula then. We’ll have to meet in Pomona
May 13th 2022
14
                I don’t think he got the Temecula fighting reference and thought you
May 13th 2022
15
                oh shit, we could do that too lol
May 13th 2022
16
                     Naw I got it
May 13th 2022
17
                          Sheeeit in that case WHAT’S REALLY GOOD HANDLE
May 13th 2022
18
                               First: We watch new one 2nd:Volleball to determine alpha
May 17th 2022
23
                                    I dunno man, I’m struggling with this. What’s your actual opinion on...
May 17th 2022
26
                                         I'm a die hard fan who thinks it's in the “so bad it’s good” categ...
May 17th 2022
28
                                              :/
May 17th 2022
30
                meet in Ontario
May 18th 2022
36
                     Ih shit, what’s good Rob!
May 18th 2022
39
just rewatched OG over the weekend as "pre-game"
May 16th 2022
19
      She was their instructor, but I always thought it was Viper
May 16th 2022
20
           RE: She was their instructor, but I always thought it was Viper
May 16th 2022
21
                He calls Charlie
May 16th 2022
22
                     Thank You!
May 17th 2022
24
                     Wasn't it Jester that saw them flirt?
May 17th 2022
25
                          This whole chain is why this is an objectively great movie
May 17th 2022
29
                          RE: This whole chain is why this is an objectively great movie
May 18th 2022
35
                          Sorry, Slider. Not Jester.
May 17th 2022
32
                     ha, you must hate MST3K
May 17th 2022
33
People saying it deserves Best Picture Noms
May 17th 2022
27
Hmmmmm I need to avoid press like that
May 17th 2022
31
Come on...how has no one addressed this from the original post?
May 18th 2022
34
It's gotta be this, Godfather and Rocky (or Terminator)
May 18th 2022
37
Would Godfather be included??? I’d think it transcends the
May 18th 2022
38
Braveheart?
May 19th 2022
41
      Good call on Braveheart. That with Top Gun and Rocky is a
May 19th 2022
43
      Braveheart seems more like MAGA fet pr0n
May 19th 2022
44
RE: It's gotta be this, Godfather and Rocky (or Terminator)
May 19th 2022
42
Good Will Hunting has to be a part of that canon, right?
May 18th 2022
40
The other two parts are...
May 19th 2022
48
      LMFAOOOOO
May 20th 2022
49
      Point Break is "okay at best"? Word?
May 26th 2022
54
           RE: Point Break is "okay at best"? Word?
May 28th 2022
63
I created a "Canon Of Cinematic Caucasity" post in GD
May 19th 2022
45
5 min standoig O at Cannes and Palme d'or for Tom
May 19th 2022
46
Man im geeked lol
May 19th 2022
47
GAWD DAMN THIS FILM FUCKS!
May 26th 2022
50
Is the banter as good? Because the banter/bro locker room talk in that m...
May 26th 2022
51
      RE: Is the banter as good? Because the banter/bro locker room talk in th...
May 26th 2022
52
This movie absolutely SLAPS. Go see it, twice
May 26th 2022
53
Best American action movie since... Cruise's last movie.
May 26th 2022
55
Not sure what the movie slate is this year, but 10 movies better than th...
May 26th 2022
56
      If there are 3 movies better than this, I'll be very surprised.
May 27th 2022
57
           What’s RRR?
May 27th 2022
58
                You gotta check it out.
May 27th 2022
59
HOLY FUCK THIS IS AMAZING.
May 27th 2022
60
I told you it fucks!
May 27th 2022
61
      i like the cast but the OGs were better
May 27th 2022
62
           I think thats the whole thing these guys aren't background
May 28th 2022
65
                Personally, I only knew who any of them were thanks to the flight cams
Jun 01st 2022
69
Pretty awesome
May 28th 2022
64
I feel a little bamboozled, sadly
May 30th 2022
66
it's missing that something
Jun 05th 2022
70
this movie reminded me of kaufman's 'Adaptation'
May 31st 2022
67
I was a huge fan of the original but this one just didn't do it for me.....
Jun 01st 2022
68
why can nobody think of anything more original after 50 years
Jun 05th 2022
71
      After a week talking to a lot of people about it (and I love that part)
Jun 07th 2022
72
Crossed a billion
Jun 28th 2022
73
I watched the 1080p Korean rip... I'm of two minds
Aug 20th 2022
74
Best Picture
Aug 29th 2022
75
First movie to ever BEGIN and END the Summer #1 at the Box Office
Sep 05th 2022
76

Heinz
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1. "I can’t wait"
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But also how dare you disrespect the first one. The banter, the dog fighting, the music!, the bro-iness of it, tony scott in his all his glory, cmon!

How is the music in this? I dont love the Lady Gaga joint lol

  

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3. "Not sure if you're being tongue and cheek with this"
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>But also how dare you disrespect the first one. The banter,
>the dog fighting, the music!, the bro-iness of it, tony scott
>in his all his glory, cmon!
But this is how I feel about the first one. It's problematic as all hell, but damn it if it didn't want to make me fly fighter planes as a kid. It may be 30 almost 40 years late but I'm in line to watch Mav fly again. Sucks that Kilmer is too sick to come back.

>How is the music in this? I dont love the Lady Gaga joint lol
From the preview I saw they were playing The Who and it went perfectly with the scene. So I'm assuming it's a mix of old and new music.

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bwood
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4. "RE: Not sure if you're being tongue and cheek with this"
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Val's in it.

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6. "Not just the photo from the trailer?"
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I imagine it's a non-speaking because of his voice and all.

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7. "RE: Not just the photo from the trailer?"
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You'll see.

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Heinz
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9. "No i literally love everything about the first top gun"
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I ordered the Ghost Rider diecast plane by Calibre Wings for my desk

  

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2. "Cruise bout to remind people what it is. I cant wait."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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5. "Man WHAT? The OG is timeless! "
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Each their own though.

that shit hurt my soul to read. The dogfights add to it, but save it? Nope. That shit *goes* from start to finish.

It's one of my favorite movies, without hesitation.

But ah well

On to the next

Glad to see such glowing reviews for Maverick though. I've been salivating for this one since it was first announced.

I got my ticket for Top Gun Tuesday already. Can't wait!
!

  

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8. "^^^^^"
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>Each their own though.
>
>that shit hurt my soul to read. The dogfights add to it, but
>save it? Nope. That shit *goes* from start to finish.
>
>It's one of my favorite movies, without hesitation.
>
>But ah well
>
>On to the next
>
>Glad to see such glowing reviews for Maverick though. I've
>been salivating for this one since it was first announced.
>
>I got my ticket for Top Gun Tuesday already. Can't wait!
>!

  

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10. "Same man"
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Made me fall in love with Tony Scotts style and has one of my all time fav openings to a movie

  

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11. "The OG is hot trash -and I saw it 10 times"
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Living in San Diego we saw it at least 10 times over the course of a few years. It STAYED playing in the theatre for nearly a year here.

But it wasn't a good film - and it didn't matter! We watched that sucker repeatedly.

If you can arrange to see the film on a military base do it. It's quite an experience watching it with a theater filled Marines.

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12. "We might have to meet in Temecula bruh"
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13. "I'm L.A. I'll make that drive "
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14. "Fuck Temecula then. We’ll have to meet in Pomona"
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Fri May-13-22 02:29 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

First i need to see what kinda shit you’re talking about Top Gun
Yours may not rise to fighting words

Also, I’m just having fun in some fanboy shit, and referencing this legendary shit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/lookit/2014/12/26/7449927/snottiedrippin-temecula-christmas-twitter-fight-kobe-bryant

Edit: just read your comments above

You love this shit! Why would I want to fight another fan?

  

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15. "I don’t think he got the Temecula fighting reference and thought you "
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Wanted to meet up in Temecula to watch the movie together.

  

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16. "oh shit, we could do that too lol"
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That didn't cross my mind

My wife couldn't give half a George W Fuck about the orginal
And I only have one friend who is a fan, but his wife will want to come and ask questions all damn night so I'm good on that

  

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17. "Naw I got it"
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I was ready to ride out to Temecula and put my hands on someone besmirching the name of the OG Top Gun.

Never leave your wingman cuz!

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18. "Sheeeit in that case WHAT’S REALLY GOOD HANDLE"
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Fri May-13-22 04:30 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

Come get this Danger Zone energy, bitch!

I think I can get my boy to leave his wife at home for this

  

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23. "First: We watch new one 2nd:Volleball to determine alpha"
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Tue May-17-22 11:12 AM by handle

          

I mean I even owned the VHS the day it came out and kind of enjoyed the Pepsi commercial.

I may rent a theatre for this one too.

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26. "I dunno man, I’m struggling with this. What’s your actual opinion on..."
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All jokes aside, as a big gan myself, I’m curious on your view

On one hand, It reads like you have it in a “so bad it’s good” category

But then you come across as a die hard fan

Personally, I see it as an objectively good film that stays in it’s lane, and has few flaws
The fighter scenes are great, but the relationships with Goose, Carol, Charlie, Ice Man, and Viper, the music, the bar scene, the fighter scenes…. There are so many outstanding elements that make it a complete film, and an objectively good one.

  

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28. "I'm a die hard fan who thinks it's in the “so bad it’s good” categ..."
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My view is it's hot garbage that I love!

I've even eaten at that bar/restaurant several times. https://kcbbq.net/


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30. ":/"
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36. "meet in Ontario"
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they got a legit imax at the edwards in the Mills parking lot. Used to live across the street from there. I would go see movies in Imax all the time. It was great

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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39. "Ih shit, what’s good Rob!"
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I need them to upgrade the seating there
Those seats, both in size, build, spacing, etc, still feels like going to the Hemet theater in the 90’s.

I’m way to spoiled by heated theater recliners and legroom, so I usually hot the Dolby at the AMC

  

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19. "just rewatched OG over the weekend as "pre-game""
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(i ask all this tongue-in-cheek as i know most of the movie is silly & just a vehicle for cruise/kilmer to peacock)

but after Goose dies, in the lockerroom Ice has that serious moment of "I'm sorry about Goose...everybody loved him... I'm sorry"

zoom out shows Wolfman is randomly eavesdropping behind a locker...then Wolfman gets on payphone to let someone know that "Yeah, Maverick just quit"

*****who the fuck is he calling to let them know??

my friend said Charlie/McGillis..but what connection did Wolfman & McGillis ever have??? how would he have her phone number??

also: the extended look Viper's wife gives him when he turns away at their house is so fucking funny. like..what was that?

Edit: the other funny part..

Viper: "Maverick, you'll get your rear when you get on the ship...and if you don't..call me up, I'll fly with you"

el oh el...that's like the equivalent of..i don't know, James Bouknight is gonna do a two-on-two tourney in his hometown for charity, and fucking Michael Jordan is like "you got a partner? if not, let me know..I'll run with ya"

  

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20. "She was their instructor, but I always thought it was Viper"
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Everyone had a moment of empathy for Maverick

The bond between he and Goose was real, and clear to anyone with eyes.

They didn’t like him as a pilot, but it was never personal. He was viewed as an unsafe hotshot, but not a bad guy. And his skill and dedication weren’t really in question.

It’s been a minute since I’ve seen it, but I don’t recall Hollywood/Wolf having a particularly antagonistic relationship with Maverick.

Anyhow, I always saw the call as, this is a talented motherfucker who we need. His tactics might be frowned upon, but he makes for a formidable foe for any enemies.

Between that and the sheer empathy of the moment, he called to save Maverick from himself. It’s like you can up and tell the military “I quit” like that.

But I always saw Viper as the call, not Charlie. I’ll have to rewatch and focus on that part.

  

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21. "RE: She was their instructor, but I always thought it was Viper"
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Viper is good theory..and meshes with that scene at his house.

But same thing: how would Wolf have Viper's phone #?

McGillis had to secretly give her number to Maverick for the date, so it wasn't like her # was public info for Wolf.

Viper's wife's empathy for Maverick: if that was supposed to be the emotion on her face, she fumbled that one completely.. that was more like a "i can't believe they found child pornography in your house..let me keep the kids away from you"-look

  

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22. "He calls Charlie"
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She has an office, it’s not wild that she is available to the students as it’s such an important school (at this time)

The wife is looking at Mav because she feels sorry for him. Thst base is small and her husbands most likely let her know during pillow talk about his thoughts on Mav/Goose situation.

Weird that these things aren’t clear to people.

Also Hollywood and Wolfman were close to Mav/Goose.

  

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24. "Thank You!"
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>She has an office, it’s not wild that she is available to
>the students as it’s such an important school (at this
>time)
Not sure why this concept would be off. Also you see how Hollywood was peeping the flirting that Charlie and Mav were doing so he probably knew something and that's why he made the call.

>The wife is looking at Mav because she feels sorry for him.
>Thst base is small and her husbands most likely let her know
>during pillow talk about his thoughts on Mav/Goose situation.

I figured that and Viper said he flew with Mav's dad so he knew him in some capacity which I assume the wife may have as well. So she had empathy towards his situation knowing the whole story.

>Weird that these things aren’t clear to people.
>
>Also Hollywood and Wolfman were close to Mav/Goose.
>
>

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25. "Wasn't it Jester that saw them flirt?"
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"Jester....you stink"

*throws toy plane* lol

Also, great point about his wife. She actually knows the ENTIRE story of Mav with his father/Goose. So yeah makes even more sense that her empathy for him losing his father (and mom shortly after) and now lost the only family he knew in Goose.

  

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29. "This whole chain is why this is an objectively great movie"
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This isn’t an empty action film. There’s quality depth there.

The one critique I can see is that it’s heavily archetypical from a character/story standpoint- the brash, arrogant genius in his field, the dead daddy legacy, the old man mentor who knew the father, etc.

Shit, that’s the same story the used in the Star Trek reboot with Kirk and Pike, and countless others.

Except, those archetypes are played as real characters, not caricatures, and everyone is right in pocket. And all those other pieces- the music, the action scenes, the bar, the beach, all that shit serves the story.

I love this shit. Tuesday can’t come fast enough.

  

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35. "RE: This whole chain is why this is an objectively great movie"
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I don't know that people under 30 appreciate this movie. I'm 46, saw it in theaters and was stuck in a blizzard with the VHS rental where I watched it over and over. Lol. I'll always love this flick

  

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32. "Sorry, Slider. Not Jester."
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33. "ha, you must hate MST3K"
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"the flying saucer looks silly because it was filmed in 1959!! and they had a $5000 budget, gahd!!" (im fucking with you..)

so yes, it's charlie (given the very next scene is her walking into "Cafe by the Runway" to have their pow-wow over ice water)--i guess my blindspot was..like, when was it established that Wolfman was..this is the guy that wears a cowboy hat to flight instruction class--but he's also Mav's Linda Tripp? wait.......i just worked it out in my head. he didn't care about "Mav & Charlie", he cared about Mav still being a fighter pilot--so having that motivation, yep..that action works for him.

but even then: Hollywood/Wolf were tight buds (for years?) with Mav..why not walk him down the plank yourself? vs calling the chick he met less than 2 months ago

as for the wife, i got her knowing about the accident all along & naturally feeling sorry for Mav (via the viper-viper's wife pillow talk..lol, nice)--i just meant the look the actress chose to make in that scene was..eyebrow-raising (for me, but i guess im nitpicking)

  

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27. "People saying it deserves Best Picture Noms"
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Wow people are really saying amazing things about this movie. Wow people are really saying amazing things about this movie. Saw on Harloffs show that he and his crew saying this was one of the best movies they seen in years.

  

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31. "Hmmmmm I need to avoid press like that"
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That’s a high bar.

Shit I just need it to be solid, and fun, with meaningful callbacks and story advancement.

Anything more is a bonus.

  

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34. "Come on...how has no one addressed this from the original post?"
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>The first one is part of the holy trinity of cinematic
>Caucasity. Tony Scott and the dogfights save that movie.

You gotta break down the complete "holy trinity of cinematic Caucasity" for us. I cracked up at that phrasing. LOL!

  

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37. "It's gotta be this, Godfather and Rocky (or Terminator)"
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Rocky edges Terminator for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQM0XqvzAC0

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38. "Would Godfather be included??? I’d think it transcends the "
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category of Cinematic Caucasity.

Rocky is DEFINITELY in the trinity. In my basement man cave I have a bunch of movie posters up, and when one of my white friends came over he was legit OFFENDED that I didn’t have a Rocky poster. (I’ve got a bunch of Star Wars and comic book movie posters. If someone tries to argue Star Wars as being part of the Holy Trinity of Cinematic Caucasity, we fighting on sight.)

  

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41. "Braveheart?"
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Agreed on Godfather transcending the category

  

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43. "Good call on Braveheart. That with Top Gun and Rocky is a"
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pretty strong trinity...maybe Die Hard would make the cut though???

Aight bwood needs to come back and list the actual Holy Trinity of Cinematic Caucasity...honestly this deserves its own post.

  

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44. "Braveheart seems more like MAGA fet pr0n"
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Every last one of those motherfuckers think that they and their folder full of memes is the only thing keeping the Deep State from enslaving us all while eating every baby in sight.

Braveheart seems like it would cater to that shit big time.

I'd classify that as a subset of Caucasity, but definitely not mainstream Caucasity.

Top Gun and Rocky II- the one he wins- seem like the first two pillars.

  

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42. "RE: It's gotta be this, Godfather and Rocky (or Terminator)"
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>Rocky edges Terminator for this:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQM0XqvzAC0

Ha! Exactly what i was thinking of (“a box of juji fruits” gets me every time)

  

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40. "Good Will Hunting has to be a part of that canon, right?"
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Anything Wes Anderson for sure.
Anything Clint Eastwood (outside of Bird)
And what about Batman Begins?

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48. "The other two parts are..."
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...

The OG Point Break. An okay at best movie that white people lose their shit over.



aAnd...


Grease. A movie I tried to watch 5 times and couldn't make it through cause it was TOO white.

Every white girl I've ever met loves this movie. I vividly remember being in college and had just finished having sex with this white girl and she wanted to watch this together. I fell asleep. She took it personally.

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49. "LMFAOOOOO "
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>Grease. A movie I tried to watch 5 times and couldn't make it
>through cause it was TOO white.
>
>Every white girl I've ever met loves this movie. I vividly
>remember being in college and had just finished having sex
>with this white girl and she wanted to watch this together. I
>fell asleep. She took it personally.

I’ll go to bat for Point Break and Top Gun. They’re both fun as hell, albeit very, very white. Can’t really argue with their inclusion on the list.

Also, the other day was the first time I realized the Black pilot in Top Gun is called “Sundown” and that’s pretty fucked up.

  

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54. "Point Break is "okay at best"? Word?"
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I cosign your thoughts on the original Top Gun, but I'm out on calling Point Break okay, lol. Point Break rules.

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63. "RE: Point Break is "okay at best"? Word?"
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Our tastes have seemed to more or less align over the years, but yeah man. OVER. RATED.

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45. "I created a "Canon Of Cinematic Caucasity" post in GD"
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In honor of this beautiful post, and the amazing movie that Maverick will surely be, and in the grand tradition of White Thursday, I made a post to allow all of us to expand beyond the Holy Trinity.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13460796&mesg_id=13460796&page=

  

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46. "5 min standoig O at Cannes and Palme d'or for Tom"
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WTF? This is crazy lol. Who would have thought TG would be so heralded. Cant wait.

  

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47. "Man im geeked lol"
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50. "GAWD DAMN THIS FILM FUCKS!"
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Masterpiece, I came in with already high expectations and man did it meet them.

It had all the emotional beats of the first and the flying!!! Holy Shit! Crooze knows his shit when it comes to getting the realism of it all.

My one gripe, my one single gripe was Hangman. Felt too much like Iceman 2.0/Maverick mix but I guess that was the point.

I'm a grown man but seeing Val made me cry like a bitch. Especially after watching his doc, just sad seeing one of the greatest actors of our time in that state hurts.


For my LA folks let me know if ya'll want to crew up and watch, I'm def down again to see this film.

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51. "Is the banter as good? Because the banter/bro locker room talk in that m..."
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was pretty top notch gym bro banter with so many quotable

I can''t wait im seeing this DOLO tomorrow afternoon

  

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52. "RE: Is the banter as good? Because the banter/bro locker room talk in th..."
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>was pretty top notch gym bro banter with so many quotable
It's got the Locker Room banter, the fighting, the signing. It's all there.

>I can''t wait im seeing this DOLO tomorrow afternoon
GO! It won't disappoint.

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53. "This movie absolutely SLAPS. Go see it, twice"
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Cruise absolutely made the right call waiting until theaters were opened again. This definitely deserves the biggest screen you can find.

The flight scenes were unbelievable, full stop. That valley run? My goodness...

The thing that really stuck with me is, you take for granted that Cruise is a super mega star. Sometimes you tend to forget he can fucking ACT. You'll know the scene when you see it (but it's not like there's serious spoilers here...). He's got range, he's got charisma out the wazoo, and yet he knows how to fall back and let everyone around him shine. It's amazing he's done it so well for so long.

Miles Teller really looks like Anthony Edward's son in this movie.


Oh, and don't think Cruise runs just this summer. The MI trailer plays, because of course. Next year is even more insanity

This slaps. Go see it.

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55. "Best American action movie since... Cruise's last movie. "
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Will easily be one of the best movies of the year, and it's absolutely one of the best action movies of the decade. I'm going again Saturday.

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56. "Not sure what the movie slate is this year, but 10 movies better than th..."
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That's gonna be a tall order.

This movie reminds me of Creed, in that it's a sequel/rehash/reboot (?) that nobody really asked for or needed, but was worlds better than it had any right to be. With both movies, if you only had a passing knowledge of what came before or if you never heard of it, they stand on their own and are fantastic.

Can't wait to take my wife to see it.

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57. "If there are 3 movies better than this, I'll be very surprised."
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I'm very torn on whether this or RRR is better, but considering I think RRR is a five-star instant classic, that tells you what I think of Top Gun: Maverick.

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58. "What’s RRR?"
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59. "You gotta check it out."
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Everyone I’ve convinced to go see it has had a blast.

Here’s the post I made, with trailer attached (though honestly, I’d just go in cold): https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=743953&mesg_id=743953&page=2

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60. "HOLY FUCK THIS IS AMAZING."
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Agreed. I was so worried with all the praise it got. But yes.

Standing ovation worthy. It makes sense why they held out on 2 years to release this. I agree with Frank, bets action movie of the decade. Movie of the summer. It's all the things.

The one thing I was worried about was the banter. As good as it was, that was my only flaw. No quotables. The actors were fine, but also not as good as the original cast. Overall as a movie it was better, which im so suprised they were able to do. Not even surprised, impressed. Extremely impressed. The action is just....fuck *chefs kiss*. The story was brilliant for a sequel. It's really the same movie, so check mark on all the nostalgic boner but just way better executed and I wouldnt want any other way.

LOVE LOVE LOVE the homage to Tony Scott at the end and with the opening scene.

Thats anothe flaw I have, as beautiful as it looks. I wish they tried to mimic Tony throughout the whole movie but that might be my bias for the original and Tony's look.

  

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61. "I told you it fucks!"
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I got over the banter, I knew it wasn't going to be quotable as the first, that was just asking too much. But it still had good banters nevertheless.

You didn't like that cast? I thought that casting was excellent, everyone basically was an updated version of the original cast more or less.

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62. "i like the cast but the OGs were better"
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Sundown, Merlin, Wolfman, Hollywood were better than this movies background/lower cast members

  

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65. "I think thats the whole thing these guys aren't background"
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They actually give them more to do than the previous supporting cast. In Top Gun Wolfman, Hollywood, Sundown, Slider and etc.. were just there to look cool, give looks, and high five during the beach volleyball game.

I'll never forget how corny Sundown looked when he continues singing You've lost that Loving Feeling. I take more developed background characters than dudes just looking cool any day.

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69. "Personally, I only knew who any of them were thanks to the flight cams"
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Just to make a hilariously fun comparison, these flight school kids were enormously anonymous compared to the Starship Troopers cadets


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64. "Pretty awesome"
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just seeing it happen finally but they pulled it off really well. Im not sure its improved, action sequences sure, but still think OG story holds up a bit better.

This is how you do a sequel 36 years later tho. I kind of want the same director and writers to start working on a Days of Thunder sequel for Tom now, get Cole Trickle to come out of Nascar retirement. lol

  

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66. "I feel a little bamboozled, sadly"
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Yes, the actual climactic sequence was incredible in IMAX, but even seeing this movie on Memorial Day surrounded by veterans who were more impressed by the trailer for the new Minions movie than anything else that played beforehand I was constantly shocked by how much of this movie was just pointing at scenes from the first movie and screaming “remember that?!?!” or Jennifer Connolly staring wistfully at Cruise from afar.

The script was so bad and repetitive and the soundtrack lacked the iconic, era defining bangers that made the first such a great rewatch (ugh, that Lady Gaga song…) I honestly kind of hated this movie whenever it was on the ground.

That said, it feels wrong to recommend not paying $15 to see this on an IMAX screen because from the moment Teller locks eyes with Cruise and attempts to have an emotional beat with him before they go on their mission (against, never forget, “fifth generation fighters”) this movie grabbed me by my fucking neck unlike anything since Dunkirk’s dogfight sequences.

But damn did I just want this movie to get on with it whenever the afterburners weren’t firing or Val Kilmer wasn’t on screen.

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70. "it's missing that something"
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there is a lot of broadly announcing that this is a Top Gun movie, as you mentioned. like what was the point of the first 5 minutes being exactly like the original?


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67. "this movie reminded me of kaufman's 'Adaptation' "
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(they both have the same "shape" to me)

like how Adaptation was one thing....until bam, they're in the swamp w/man-eating gators & hallucinogenic drugs and it's something completely different tonally (yep, i get that was the point of that movie)

this one went "topgun topgun topgun..topgun topgun...a Mission:Impossible movie!"

that said, i really enjoyed it & thought they did a great job taking on "sequel-ing" a 35-year old classic

(and i'll admit that "why should he resent her too" line got me..)

  

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68. "I was a huge fan of the original but this one just didn't do it for me....."
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between the multiple unrealistic shit that Mav did that would've landed him in the brig in real life to the Bad Boys 3 vibes with the new kids challenging the old guys and the final mission kept me thinking about attacking the Death Star in Star Wars, several unexplained plot holes, the super unrealistic escape at the end, and other unrealistic minor details made this film a slight step about the latest Fast and Furious movies on the believability scale for me.

I wasn't expecting to see Val Kilmer in the condition.

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71. "why can nobody think of anything more original after 50 years"
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>mission kept me thinking about attacking the Death Star in
>Star Wars, several unexplained plot holes

it was the Death Star almost exactly, with the laser turrets and Rooster using the force to guide in the final missiles

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72. "After a week talking to a lot of people about it (and I love that part)"
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It seems like nobody cares. I can admit I felt smart when I picked up on it. And ultimately, if you need a low stakes high stakes bombing run...do a Star Wars in a nondsecript location, right?


Ultimately, I admit I'm mad at myself that I had such a cynical reaction to a movie that is both very unique by today's blockbuster standards (or most blockbusters of the last two decades) but that "very" comes with a lot of caveats that I might care about less if Cruise hadn't spent so much of the past ten years shocking the hell out of me.


Maverick is visually and sonically what I hoped for, which I guess is why I was surprised that it didn't want to play with expectations all the way. Like, I've heard critics and talked to regular friends about how surprised they were that they felt like Cruise and Connelly had a real connection...that was my reaction during Fallout when he briefly reconnected with Monaghan. Maybe it was as simple as that relationship being however briefly established in previous films, but...even outside of that, on repeated watches Protocol, Rogue Nation and Fallout definitely lean into several action movie (or even franchise established) tropes, they just surprise you time after time with where those tropes spawn from or wind up taking the story next. Top Gun Maverick felt...too inevitable, maybe?


Even forgiving Ethan Hunt, there's Edge of Tomorrow, Jack Reacher (where it's so interesting how he molds that role to his strengths) and even American Made/The Mummy, where he takes bland or plain terrible movies and forces them to be interesting. Here he doesn't have to do that on screen because for the first time everyone else seems on board; his character does the craziest shit, but all these other actors I barely recognize or don't know at all are very, very along for the ride. While it's fucking shocking to see on screen as its happening, in some ways it kind of lowered the stakes of what was being discussed on the ground. I don't think most people have seen or will see this movie and feel that same way - I could just be broken.


I think I can tell I'm being a bit of a nag here, I love how much people loved this movie in a way I was definitely more confused by coming out of SM: No Way Home...and I also totally get why, given the physical, logistical and fiscal stakes the airborne sequences were as limited as they were...but for me, that WAS the movie, and they sanded off a lot of edges with callbacks and generic interactions to get there.


Like you said, some of Cruise's most interesting decisions felt straight up bizarre in the context of the US military, and I think that bugged me because they take the flight action so seriously. At least in Mission Impossible, it's always an excuse for a wisecrack or an insanely dumb action sequence. The smartest thing they did with that franchise is make Ethan Hunt even more outside the law than James Bond; even when they attempt to address his bullshit, it turns out to be a con luring out the bad guys.


I dunno, this probably is a great movie. I still feel a pull to see it again knowing what it really is. I haven't been this conflicted about why I think the way I do about a movie as ultimately lightweight as this one in who knows how long. It's fun in that way.


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73. "Crossed a billion"
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This movie has legs, nearly beat out Elvis at #1 in it's 5th weekend. I saw it a second time in a smaller town theater and the afternoon matinee was full yet, the over 40 crowd really digging it.

  

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74. "I watched the 1080p Korean rip... I'm of two minds"
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The training and the mission were excellent.

But the Penny/Pete stuff was real bad. All of the after Top Gun but before this off screen stuff just fell flat.

And when Rooster used the force and then the millennium falcon - I mean Hangman cam in - it was a lot of fun!

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75. "Best Picture"
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76. "First movie to ever BEGIN and END the Summer #1 at the Box Office"
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https://www.joblo.com/box-office-shake-up-top-gun-maverick-flies-to-first/

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